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From YouTube: Policy, Finance & HR Committee – February 14, 2023
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Regular meeting of the Asheville City Council's Policy, Finance & Human Resources Committee.
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B
All
right
good
morning,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Esther
manheimer
I'm,
mayor
of
the
city
of
Asheville
and
chair
of
the
policy
finance
and
HR
committee
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
February
14th
2023
remote
meeting.
All
Council
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
State,
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website.
B
B
855-925-2801
meeting
code
527,
your
phone
will
be
muted
and
you
will
hear
the
meeting
live
at
this
point.
Speakers
will
need
to
push
star
3
to
enter
the
speaker.
Queue
I'll
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
Council
and
staff
as
I
call
your
name.
Please
say
a
quick
hello,
councilwoman
Maggie
Allman
good
morning,
councilwoman
Kim
Rooney.
B
B
D
D
D
The
project
is
committing
20
of
their
units
to
be
affordable
at
80,
Ami
or
below
for
30
years
and
they're,
also
bringing
a
number
of
other
benefits,
including
rental
assistance,
housing,
a
person
from
the
homeless
by
name
list,
Energy,
Efficiency,
Green,
Building,
certification
and
Universal
Design,
and
their
project
qualifies
for
16
years
of
taxes
paid
back
as
a
grant.
Next.
D
So,
overall,
the
development
consists
of
141
apartments
and
community
space.
The
mix
of
unit
affordable
units
is
15,
one
bedrooms
and
14
two
bedrooms.
Housing
represents
100
of
all
rentable
square
footage,
and
we
talk
about
that
because
there
is
a
requirement
in
the
policy
that
at
least
70
percent
of
the
uses
have
to
be
housing
again.
D
D
This
development's
intended
to
serve
residents,
55
or
older,
is
defined
by
the
fair
housing
act
and
prospective
residents
will
be
need
to
be
capable
of
living
independently
and
planned.
At
on-site
activities
will
cater
to
this
age
group
and
the
29
affordable
units
will
restrict
occupancy
and
rents
at
80,
Ami
I
guess
we
already
covered
that
and
the
the
market
rate
rentals.
The
market
rate
units
tenants
will
have
to
demonstrate
that
they
qualify
based
on
income.
They
can
have
sufficient
assets
to
rent
without
undue
burden
next.
D
D
10
of
the
total
units
except
rental
assistance,
which
is
an
additional
Five
Points
housing.
Someone
on
the
homeless
by
name
list
gives
them
Five,
Points
and
their
location
being
one
mile
from
a
job
or
an
urban
center
is
Five
Points
they're
within
a
mile
of
the
Haywood
patent
intersection,
which
is
an
urban
center
in
our
future.
D
Next,
so
for
16
years
with
those
affordable
units,
the
total
Grant
has
up
to
one
million
six
hundred
eighty
eight
thousand
and
that
equals
about
58
200
per
unit
of
subsidy.
So
that's
lower
than
the
eighty
thousand
dollar
cap
that
we
have
established
in
the
policy
and
it's
one
way.
We
measure
whether
or
not
this
is
a
good
deal
for
the
city
and
then
after
year,
16,
the
city
will
rip
receive
the
full
taxes
on
the
property,
so
we're
still
during
those
first
16
years,
we're
still
receiving
that
kind
of
current
tax.
D
You
know
value
of
tax
taxes
paid
of
12.76
a
year.
Next,
the
hcd
committee
reviewed
this
last
week
and
voted
three
to
zero
in
favor
of
the
project
next
and
staffs,
recommending
approval
and
obviously
you're
reviewing
it
today
and
it'll
be
reviewed
again
tonight
at
city
council.
At
the
same
time
as
the
conditional
zoning
hearing
we
like
to
space
these
out,
but
some
of
the
calendaring
that's
happened,
has
kind
of
ended
up
on
the
same
day
today
so
and
I
think.
That
concludes
I.
Think
next
Felicia
there
may
be
key
takeaways.
D
E
You
one
of
the
questions
that
I
am
going
to
be
asking
once
again
for
every
residential
development
is
what
is
the
plan
for
renewable
energy
at
this
location?
We
want
to
partner
to
meet
our
goals,
but
also
ensure
resilient
neighborhoods
for
the
people
who
live
in
them,
like
the
people
who
live
in
this
development.
So
what
I'm
learning
through
this
is
that
just
asking
about?
Is
there
a
plan
for
solar
isn't
enough,
because
sometimes
the
design
of
buildings,
because
we're
not
asking
soon
enough?
E
There
are
things
like
air
conditioning
vents
that
could
be
designed
differently,
but
because
they're,
the
way
they're
designed
prohibits
future
solar
installation,
so
I'm
gonna
be
asking.
Is
there
a
plan
for
renewable
at
this
development
and,
if
there's
not
currently,
is
the
design
such
that
there
could
be
a
future
renewable
energy
plan
for
this
development.
F
This
is
Clark
Mills,
with
Cohen
esri
development,
and
at
this
time
we
are
not
designing
in
renewable
energy
sources
on
the
project
and
I
will,
as
the
designs
are
not
finalized.
We're
still
working
through
with
the
architect
I'll
bring
up
this
question
and
see
and
make
sure
that
we
are
designed
it
for
future
expansion
into
this
area.
B
Hey
Maggie
before
you
ask
a
question:
you
know:
I
I'm
hearing
in
these
discussions
and
and
councilwoman
Rooney
does
always
ask
about
the
renewable
energy
that
is
going
to
be
planned
for
on
the
multi-family
site
and
other.
You
know,
and
other
questions
come
up
around
connectivity
and
you
know
we
have
requirements
that
the
city
requires
of
developers
and
we
have
the
Luigi
requirements.
If
you
want
to
get
this
Louie
you've
got
to
meet
the
points
system
and-
and
you
know,
there's
various
ways
to
do
that,
but
you
know
just
so.
B
This
isn't
a
really
confusing
conversation,
because
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community
that
say
yeah.
Why
don't
you
require?
You
know?
Why?
Don't
you
require
50
affordability?
Why
don't
you
require
that
their
solar
panels
on
this
apartment,
complex
and
I,
guess
I
would
ask
Brad
to
to
just
kind
of
remind
us
about
what
you
know.
We
can
certainly
always
ask
a
developer,
but
we
can't
you
know
as
as
I
understand
it,
we
can't
you
know
we
can't
wire
things
beyond
what
we're
statutorial
allowed
to
require.
B
So
it
would
just
be
helpful
in
terms
of
our
reviews.
There
is
a
tendency
to
want
to.
You
know:
ask
a
developer
to
include
all
of
these
things
in
each
of
these
projects.
Balancing
that
issue
with
affordability,
I
mean
this
is
going
to
be
a
project
for
age,
restricted,
it's
age,
restrictor
for
55
and
older,
so
I
know
the
last
project
we
reviewed
in
the
Shiloh
neighborhood
of
the
same
nature.
The
developer
was
concerned
about
balancing
that
affordability
piece
with
adding
various
elements
to
the
to
the
project.
G
Absolutely
mayor
so
I
think
it's
important
with
this
particular
project.
To
note
there
are
two
items
that
are
actually
coming
before
the
sea
Council
this
evening.
One
is
what
is
being
discussed
currently,
which
is
a
request
for
the
Luigi
Grant
and
then
subsequent
to
that,
but
certainly
intermingled
with.
G
We
do
I
believe
ask
for
quite
a
bit
more
expansive
in
terms
of
the
benefits
offered
as
part
of
the
weeds
grants
where
we
do
have
more
Authority.
However,
staff
generally
falls
back
upon
the
policy
the
council
has
adopted
with
regard
to
how
we
value
individual
elements
for
a
total
point
system
that
will
allow
us
to
either
make
a
recommendation
or
not
and
I
think
it's.
What
you're
seeing
here
is
based
upon
the
totality
being
offered.
H
Okay,
yeah
that
should
come
through
so
I
wanted
to
kind
of
be
in
the
same
space,
around
sustainability
elements
and
I
guess.
My
first
question
is
that
in
the
staff
report
it's
noted
that
they're
going
to
be
pursuing
energy,
efficient
or
energy,
star
certification
and
a
green
building
certification
I'm,
assuming
that
second
certification
is
the
local
greenbuilt
Alliance
healthy,
Built,
Homes.
B
H
So
I
guess
I
would
say
that
it
would
be
interesting
if
we
looked
at
it
again
because
I
think
one
the
points
don't
necessarily
match
the
level
of
effort
in
the
marketplace.
Energy
Efficiency
from
energy
star
is
a
very
low
lift
and
then
the
fact
that
we
say
solar
panels
I
feel
like
we
could
get
some
more
Nuance
there,
because
there
could
be
Net,
Zero
Energy
and
that's
like
a
very
big
effort
for
renewable
energy,
and
then
there
could
be
enough
Renewables
to
power
the
elevator.
H
So
the
fact
that
we
have
one
bucket
for
renewable
energy
feels
like
we
really
could
be
nudging
incentives
in
a
more
nuanced
way
to
start
getting
some
uptake
of
this
because
it
doesn't
seem
like
we
have
a
lot
of
participate.
Participation
in
the
Renewables
category
through
this
incentive
tool
and
I
think
that
if
we
were
a
little
more
nuanced
and
spread
that
out
maybe
had
different
tiers
or
levels
of
the
solar,
we
might
start
to
see
a
little
bit
more
in
that
direction.
H
So
I
I
know
that
it
can
feel
like
you've
done
this
a
lot
and
as
a
new
person
you
can
feel
like.
Oh,
we
just
did
this,
but
just
because
we
did,
it
doesn't
mean
that
it's
getting
the
market
penetration.
We
want
for
the
type
of
outcomes
for
renewable
energy,
and
so
that's
somewhere.
That
I
would
love
us
to
take
up
at
some
point.
Maybe
in
the
environment
committee.
B
B
We
know
there
were
a
few
years
there
0809
10
11,
where,
where
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
activity
and
we
so
that
so
it's
hard
to
know
exactly
if
the
tweaks
have
caused
developers
to
start
using
this
incentive
or
if
it's
you
know,
Market
issue
and
I,
think
I
think
it's
a
good
conversation
for
Council
to
have,
because
the
environmental
focus
is
really
important.
But
so
is
the
affordability
piece
and
it's
a
little
confusing
to
me
how
how
how
those
Clash
you
know
if
we're.
B
H
B
B
H
Yeah
and
I
might
dial
back
in,
but
I
guess
since
2008,
the
the
regulatory
Dynamic
and
the
state
policy
Dynamics
for
renewable
energy
is
a
very,
very
Dynamic
Market
space,
and
so
if
we
were
to
really
engage
some
folks
who
were
more
involved
in
solar,
I,
think
some
of
that
Nuance
could
come
through
and
then
your
point
mayor
to
how
we
balance
the
incentives
we
want
for
the
outcome
we
want.
Ultimately,
when
we're
dealing
with
our
land
use,
I
think
is
really
warranted.
H
I,
don't
think
you
like
take
away
points
from
affordable
housing,
give
it
to
sustainability,
and
my
big
concern
is:
can
we
have
some
stepping
stones
towards
solar
because
it
sounds
like
we
do?
We
hear
an
all
or
none
response
from
the
building
community
and
I
think
that
we
can
have
some
on-ramps
towards
renewable
that
actually
gets
renewable
energy,
not
just
renewable
ready.
I
So
we
hear
you
we'll
take
all
of
these
things
that
you
all
have
identified,
particularly
around
sustainability
I'm,
not
trying
to
change
your
mind
about
this
particular
project.
I'm.
Just
trying
to
you
know
kind
of
telegraph
that
we
are
looking
at
this
holistically
and
definitely
we'll
be
coming
back
to
look
at
the
things
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
B
E
E
E
That
we
have
passed
that
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
this
that
my
comment
is
separate.
I
am
watching
the
Housing
and
Community
Development
meetings.
We
are
currently
on
the
policy
and
finance
and
committee
right
now,
so
I
am
concerned
about
the
what
we
learned
from
our
trip
to
Raleigh
and
the
issues
around
affordability
in
North.
Carolina
affordability
is
not
just
the
roof
over
your
head
that
that's
a
huge
issue
right
now.
It's
also
utilities.
It's
also
Transportation.
It's
also
child
care
and
being
able
to
afford
food.
E
E
Some
communities
are
looking
at
100
vouchers.
Why
would
we
exclude
people
from
being
able
to
pay
the
rent
with
a
legal
form
of
tender
and
I
think
we
don't
have
to
go
so
far
as
source
of
income
discrimination?
If
we
just
started
with
setting
the
example
internally
of
a
hundred
percent
of
our
taxpayer
subsidized
units,
accepting
vouchers
so
I
do
I
am
interested
in
that
conversation
I'm
following
hcd,
but
I
just
wanted
to
name
it.
That
I
have
concerns
about
this
project
and
are
what
we're
trying
to
attract
for
level.
C
B
B
J
Good
morning
again,
council
members
of
the
finance
or
policy
finance
and
HR
committee,
I'm
Taylor
Floyd
budget
manager
for
the
city
of
Asheville
and
I'm,
going
to
give
you
a
brief
update
on
our
kind
of
financial
picture
through
the
first
half
of
our
fiscal
year.
2022-23
next
slide
so
again,
real
quickly,
I'm
going
to
start
with
revenues
and
then
we'll
briefly
go
over
personnel
and
then
operating
expenses
and
wrap
up
with
next
steps.
Next
slide
so
and
I
will
say,
this
will
look
very
similar
to
our
our
quarter.
J
One
report,
but
our
Q
takeaways,
are
you
know
things,
look
pretty
good
relative
to
Budget
on
both
the
the
revenue
and
the
expense
side.
We
continue
to
see
some
sales
tax
revenue
exceeding
estimates,
which
is,
which
is
a
good
thing,
of
course,
but
again
otherwise
things
pretty
much
looking
as
we
would
have
expected
at
this
point
and
halfway
through
the
fiscal
year
next
slide.
J
J
So
on
the
property
tax
side,
we
do
have
information
from
the
county
that
suggests
our
property
tax
revenue
will,
in
the
near
in
the
year
very
near
our
budget
estimates
I
think
we
we
did
make
note
at
our
first
quarter,
update
that
there
was
a
settlement
between
HCA
and
the
county.
That
meant
we
were
going.
J
Get
as
much
revenue
from
HCA
on
the
property
tax
side
as
we
would
have
initially
anticipated,
but
we
again,
we
think
we'll
end
the
year
near
Budget
on
the
sales
tax
side.
Again,
we
continue
to
see
that
come
in
higher
than
what
we
had
budgeted
I.
Think
as
we
have
mentioned
previously,
our
sales
tax
information
from
the
state
is
pretty
significantly
delayed.
So
what
we
have
right
now
are
what
we
had
when
we
put
this
together.
J
A
C
About
a
year
and
a
half
with
there's
kind
of
being
a
what
I
would
call
a
softening
of
our
sales
tax
revenue
growth.
So
we're
definitely
going
to
keep
an
eye
on
that
over
the
next
few
months
to
see
if
it
returns
to
kind
of
the
double-digit
growth
that
we
had
been
getting
or
whether
it
settles
into
something
closer
to
what
the
long-term
trend
has
been
of
around
five
percent.
J
I
did
also
want
to
give
a
brief
update
on
the
parking
fund
and
where
their
revenue
sent
through
the
first
half
of
the
year.
That
is
a
good
news
story,
I
think
so
far
it
looks
like
they're
performing
as
we
would
have
expected
in
line
with
what
we
budgeted,
and
that
is
significantly
better
than
they
have
done.
You
know,
especially
through
the
the
pandemic
and
looking
specifically
at
the
garage
revenues
which
were
most
significantly
and
and
for
a
longer
period
of
time,
impacted
during
the
pandemic.
J
To
actual
so
far,
we
did
want
to
make
note
that
we
will
be
bringing
a
budget
amendment
to
council
currently
plan
for
February
28th
to
add
some
budget
to
the
Civic
Center
fund
and
again
another
I
think
relatively
good
news
story.
We
try
to
start
those
through
the
budget
development
process
and
a
conservative
and
as
they
have
more
shows
booked
and
scheduled.
J
J
E
Okay,
I
got
a
couple,
thank
you
Taylor.
So
what
I
mean
I
have
to
ask
like
there's
the
parking
Revenue
looking
good
and
then
it's
being
good
and
I
I
get
a
sense
that,
like
we
still
have
a
lot
of
questions
about
logistics
and
equipment
and
when
I'm
moving
around
downtown,
especially
by
foot
I,
look
to
see
like
who's
charging.
What
for
parking
rates
and
the
city
decks
are
pretty
affordable,
especially
on
the
weekend
so
I'm
like?
Is
there
something?
E
J
To
my
knowledge,
we
are
not
still
having
equipment
issues
I'm
fairly,
certain
that
those
have
certainly
the
the
significant
ones
that
we
were
having
right
right
as
that
new
equipment
was
installed,
I
guess
that
was
last
winter,
if
I'm
remembering
correctly
I
think
certainly
not
at
that
level.
If
you're,
if
you
sense
hesitancy
from
what
I'm
saying,
I,
think
it's
just
again
being
halfway
through
the
year,
there's
still
another
have
to
go.
J
So
again
it
looks
to
me
based
on
what
we
had
the
information
we
have
right
now
that
things
are
getting
much
closer
to
those
pre-pandemic
actual
revenues,
which
is,
which
is
a
a
good
thing,
but
you
know
again
with
with
six
more
months
to
go.
I,
don't
want
to
say
everything's
great
and
we're
100
back
to
normal,
because
I
don't
know
that
we're
in
a
position
to
say
that
definitively
I.
E
Appreciate
that,
thank
you,
Taylor
and
I.
Also
I'm
curious.
There's
been
some
questions
about
our
agreements
with
the
parking
garage
at
the
Aloft
and
I.
Guess:
I'm
wondering
how
that
fits
in.
Maybe
there's
not
an
answer
for
today,
specifically
around
second
quarter,
maybe
that
we
need
to
look
for
what
that
looks
like
in
the
next
quarter,
because
we
don't
see
the
impact
yet,
but
I
know
that
our
our
parking
revenue
is
tied
into
how
we
fund
Transit
and
I
will
have
a
question
about
Transit
coming
up
in
the
next
one.
K
E
J
Any
other
questions
before
we
reply
all
right
so
shifting
over
to
the
expense
side
again
just
a
reminder
on
the
general
fund.
Our
our
budget
is
heavily
impacted
by
the
cost
of
the
the
folks
that
we
need
to
deliver
all
of
the
services
we
deliver
salaries,
wages
and
benefits,
making
up
around
60
of
of
that
total
budget
on
the
expense
side
next
slide.
J
So
a
brief
update
on
Personnel
expenses.
Again,
those
are
tracking,
as
we
would
anticipate
at
this
point
in
the
fiscal
year
some
reminders
we
made
adjustments
in
July
to
increase
our
minimum
salary
for
full-time
employees
to
35
360
annually
and
also
provide
other
staff
with
a
most
staff
with
a
five
percent
or
a
two
and
a
half
percent
increase.
J
We
had
initially
planned
to
increase
that
minimum
to
36
816
annually
in
January
and
make
some
adjustments
to
alleviate
compression
that's
associated
with
those
two
pretty
significant
jumps
in
our
minimum
salary.
We,
after
kind
of
getting
some
information
about
what
the
financial
impact
of
all
of
that
was
going
to
be.
We
thought
we
could
do
it
a
little
earlier,
so
those
adjustments
actually
went
into
place.
J
I
think
the
second
payroll
in
November
of
last
year,
so
that's
a
slight
change
from
again
what
we,
the
information
we
provided
at
the
the
first
quarter,
update
and
then
a
reminder
as
well.
We
have
made
a
number
of
Recruitment
and
Retention
incentives
available
for
APD
to
try
to
you,
know,
recruit
staff
and
that
is
all
funded
within
their
existing
Personnel
budget
in
the
police
department.
J
J
So
again,
we're
still
seeing
some
of
those
types
of
challenges,
but
overall
things
are
looking
good.
We
are
still
also
experiencing
a
shortage
of
bus
drivers
and
continue
to
have
that
reduce
frequency
on
the
we1
route,
but
again
we're
seeing
expenses
in
the
the
transit
fund
track
where
we
would
anticipate
one
new
item.
I
did
want
to
make
note
of.
J
If
you
all
will
recall
earlier
this
fiscal
year,
there
was
a
new
management
contracts
put
in
place
for
the
municipal
golf
course
and
part
of
that
contract
has
a
revenue
sharing
agreement
between
the
the
company
and
the
city,
we're
very
uncertain
of
what
that
is,
will
ultimately
end
up
being
you
know,
they're
doing
some
work,
trying
to
get
that
up
and
running.
We
have
some
planned
Capital
Improvements
at
the
municipal
golf
course
as
well,
but
overall
our
expectation
is
that
could
cost
as
much
as
225
000
in
the
current
fiscal
year.
E
Thank
you
Taylor,
so
I
know
that
I'm
I'm
still
waiting
on
a
vacancy
update
as
sort
of
a
wage
by
salary
grade
and
I
know.
Sometimes
that
document
takes
a
little
while,
but
it's
also
a
a
moving
Target.
It's
going
to
show
a
picture
of
a
of
a
point
in
in
time
a
snapshot
of
what's
happening
so
I.
Imagine
that
while
it's
taking
a
little
bit
of
time,
it's
probably
something
we
need
more
than
once
a
year.
E
So
a
big
part
of
I
think
what
concerns
are
is
if
we're,
if
we're
down
staff
in
policing
or
in
sanitation
and
and
Parks
and
Rec
and
Public
Works
folks
may
assume
that
we
have
a
big
cost
savings,
because
our
Personnel
is
such
a
big
part
of
our
expense
and
important
and
part
of
our
expenses.
But
I
know
that
we
also
have
overtime,
so
I
am
still
looking
for
how
overtime
is
impacting.
Is
it
a
small
percentage
of
our
staff?
That's
filling
over
time.
Is
it?
I
Totally
understand,
but
but
I
just
wanted
Mr
for
you
to
know
that
we
we
have
pulled
that
information
together
and
you're
absolutely
right.
It
is
a
point
in
time
and
I
believe
I've
got
Shannon
as
well
as
Tony
and
I
believe
we
we
did
attach
that
to
the
council
follow-up
and-
and
there
was
actually
a
lot
that
we
had
to
to
put
in
that
document
as
well.
Thank
you
I
appreciate
that
absolutely
so.
E
C
E
Appreciate
that,
thank
you
for
letting
me
know,
and
sometimes
we
don't
know,
is
the
best
answer,
I
guess
what
I'm
looking
for
in
our
next
update
about
this
is:
if
we
have
a
contract
for
operations
like
that,
is
it
going
to
be
covered
in
our
contract,
or
should
we
expect,
update
and,
like
I,
said
that
we
don't
have
to
have
an
answer
today?
It's
just
something
that
I'm
concerned
about.
E
J
And
I'll
I'll
Echo
Tony's,
not
sure,
but
but
also
have
not
received
any
information
about
changes
that
would
happen
during
the
current
year.
I
know.
Well,
you
know,
as
I
think
we
discussed
at
length
during
last
year's
budget
development
process
when
the
bus
driver
shortage,
I,
think
kind
of
we
started
talking
about
that.
You
know
just
the
amount
of
time
the
lead
time
it
takes
for
them
to
recruit.
People
to
you
know
the
the
current
year
impact
of
a
change,
even
if
one
was
being
contemplated,
I
think,
would
be
relatively
minor.
I
J
J
Okay,
so
again
just
to
wrap
up
revenues
and
expenses
they're,
both
tracking,
as
expected,
we'll
continue
to
monitor
that
and
to
see
if
we
end
up
meeting
the
arpa
money
that
we
appropriated
in
both
the
general
fund
and
Transit
Personnel
costs
again.
Given
the
changes
we've
made
in
the
current
year
and
likely
continue
need
for
adjustments
will
certainly
be
a
significant
factor
during
the
next
budget
development
process,
which
is
underway,
and
we
will
be
presenting
a
third
quarter.
J
B
C
C
I
haven't
looked
at
the
full
attendee
list,
but
in
case
you
all
have
specific
questions,
but
at
least
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
So
this
is
our
first
meeting
with
you
all
to
talk
about
fees
and
charges
for
fiscal
year
2023-24
so
for
next
fiscal
year,
originally
I
think
on
our
budget
calendar.
We
had
intended
on
coming
to
you
all
today
to
present
the
proposed
few
changes
and
then
take
your
recommendations
and
bring
those
before
City
Council
next
month
for
a
vote.
C
C
You
know
gone
Point
by
Point
through
this
outline,
but
that's
kind
of
a
summary
of
what
we
want
to
cover
with
you
all
today,
so
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide
Alicia,
so
some
some
key
takeaways
from
the
presentation.
The
first
is
that
staff
reviews
fees
and
charges
every
year
is
a
part
of
the
budget
process
and
we
bring
forward
recommendations
to
this
committee
and
then
to
council
for
adjustments
early
in
the
process,
and
we
do
that
for
a
couple
reasons.
C
C
1St
second
reason
we
like
coming
to
you
all
early
to
discuss
a
few
changes
is
it
allows
us
to
build
any
additional
revenue
from
those
fee
changes
into
the
manager's
proposed
budget
that
we
bring
you
in
May
and
that
allows
us
to
go
ahead
and
fund
some
of
our
key
strategic
priorities
in
some
of
in
the
general
fund
and
some
of
our
Enterprise
funds.
In
that
proposed
budget,
as
opposed
to
having
to
bring
them
to
you
afterwards,
second
key
takeaway
is
that
fees
and
charges
you'll
see
this
in
some
of
the
upcoming
slides.
C
They
do
really
represent
a
small
part
of
the
general
fund
Revenue
base,
as
Taylor
showed
you
all
the
slide
in
his
presentation
that
property
and
sales
taxes
make
up
the
bulk
of
our
Revenue.
But
fees
do
have
a
do
play
a
small
part
in
our
general
fund
revenues
as
well,
but
on
the
Enterprise
fund,
side
and
you'll
see
this
in
a
slide.
We
have
upcoming
fees
and
charges
really
are
the
main
source
of
revenues
for
areas
such
as
water,
storm,
water
and
parking,
and
then
finally,
staff
recommendations.
C
So,
at
least
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
just
again
kind
of
a
quick
introduction
to
fees
and
charges.
So
this
slide
kind
of
goes
over.
Why
do
we
charge
for
a
service
and
I?
Think
it?
You
know,
there's
there's
benefits
to
charging
fees,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
what
is
what
is
the
benefit
that
that
that
service
is
providing?
Is
it
a
Community
Wide
community-wide
benefit,
or
does
it
benefit
only
specific
customers
and
I?
Think
a
good
example.
There
is
it's
a
plan
review
feed.
C
Obviously
you
know
if
you're,
a
customer
and
you're
coming
into
our
DSD
Department,
to
have
your
plans
reviewed
that
you're,
a
customer
of
that
department-
and
you
know
we
want
to
charge
a
fee
for
that
specific
Service
as
opposed
to
having
the
community
at
large
pay
for
that
through
the
tax
base,
so
that
that's
one
of
the
reasons
for
having
fees.
Another
reason
is
to
ensure
access
and
I
guess.
Probably
the
best
example
of
here
is:
you
think,
about
parking
garages
and
parking
meters.
C
So
some
some
factors
in
that
we
look
at
when
we're
setting
fees
and
charges.
I
guess
the
first
one
we
would
point
out
is
obviously
the
cost
to
provide
that
service
and
in
some
cases
it
makes
sense
to
charge
a
fee
that
that
recovers
100
of
the
cost
of
providing
service
of
that
service.
In
some
cases,
maybe
not
I,
guess
I
would
use
this.
C
We
look
at
we
Benchmark
against
other
communities.
We
look
at
the
cost
of
providing
service,
and
we've
had
fee
studies
done
in
the
last
several
years
for
Parks
and
Recreation
for
development
services.
We
have
an
ongoing
fee
study
right
now
for
our
storm
water
utility,
and
we
also
annually
have
our
water
fee
feed
water
fee
study
done
as
well,
so
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide
Alicia.
C
E
E
When
we
have
so
many
important
things
to
do
so.
I
am
I
am
wondering
if
we
can
start
to
have
a
conversation
about
working
on
that
balance,
making
sure
that
we
can
look
at
increasing
the
parking
fund
to
fund
Transit,
getting
that
untapped
revenue
and
mitigating
the
impact
on
the
workers.
It's
not
a
question.
I
just
think
we
should
have
that
conversation
as
we
go
into
the
budget
cycle.
B
We
and
I
think
that's
a
really
good
point.
We
have
provided
some
information
to
the
workers
that
are
working
on
the
parking
issue
to
to
because,
unlike
the
county,
we
already
do
offer
monthly
permitting
permit
parking
in
our
decks
and
we
actually
are
subsidizing
I
mean
to
some
extent
fixed
income,
seniors
income,
quad
applicants,
unlike
the
county,
as
you
know,
unlike
the
County's
system,
so
one
thing
we
were
trying
to
track
was
whether
the
County's
spaces
that
they've
allocated
for
this
are
tapped
out
like.
Are
they
reaching
their
limits?
B
Or
is
there
plenty
of
additional
rooms?
So
we
kind
of
know
whether
us
need
to
come
into
play
to
help
support
the
the
workers
in
downtown
and
I'm.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
the
answer
yet
to
follow
up
with
them
to
see
how
much
activity
they've
had
around
the
program,
but
I
think
we
certainly
need
to
have
that
conversation
with.
E
B
Well,
and
also
I
think
when
you
look
at
the
rates
of
similar
cities
like
a
Charleston
or
something
like
that,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we've
always
been
reminded
over
the
years
is
well.
You
want
to
keep
your
deck
rates
lower
than
your
on-street
parking,
so
you
encourage
Deck
Parking
over
on
street
parking,
but
you
know
I
I'm
curious,
whether
that
really
is
I
mean
I
kind
of
I
kind
of
wonder
if
we
couldn't
increase
rates
for
non-downtown
residents
or
permit
holders
and
still
see
pretty
robust
activity
around
our
our
parking.
G
E
E
C
C
It's
the
largest
Enterprise
fund,
it's
the
largest
operation
outside
of
our
general
fund,
largest
Department
in
the
city
in
terms
of
budget
at
40,
just
over
40
million
dollars
for
this
current
fiscal
year
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
all
know
this
or
not,
but
it
actually
has
its
own
separate
debt
rating.
You
have
City
basketball,
General
obligation.
C
Debt
has
a
rating
of
AAA,
but
like
most
utilities
across
the
state,
our
water
fund
has
its
own
separate
debt
rating
and
it's
aa1,
and
because
of
that,
and
because
of
the
fact
that
we
do
have
a
lot
of
large
capital
projects
that
occur
within
the
water
fund,
for
which
we
have
to
borrow
money.
We
are
out
in
the
debt
Market
fairly
regularly
going
to
the
LGC
to
get
approval
and
one
of
the
things
that
they
want
to
see.
C
Every
time
we
go
to
them
for
for
approval
of
a
debt
issue
once
is
that
we
have
a
a
rate
model
in
place.
That's
multi-year
and
we
utilize
a
consultant
raftalus
to
help
us
with
that
each
year
and
they
want
to
look
at
that
rate
rate
model
and
make
sure
that
over
time,
our
rates
are
sufficient
to
not
only
pay
our
operating
costs,
but
also
those
Capital
costs
and
the
debt
service
costs
as
well.
C
B
C
Most
of
them
yeah
the
the
well
right
now,
the
the
really
really
the
only
active
project
which
we're
looking
at
debt
funding
is
the
meter
replacement
project
right
now.
All
the
other
work
that
goes
on
throughout
the
year,
such
as
replacement
of
water
lines,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
that's
paid
four
through
page
to
go,
and
so
that's
most
of
that
11
million.
Actually
this
year.
B
So
I,
you
know
I'm
on
the
MSD
board
and
so
I'm
used
to
seeing
how
they
do
their
annual
charts
to
show
us.
So
what
they?
What
what
this
is
confusing
to
me,
because
why
don't
we
just
pull
out
all
the
money
that
we're
paying
in
debt
service?
It's
still
capital
I
mean
it's
a
capital
investment
and
then
have
the
pay.
As
you
go
as
a
line
item
because
you're
saying
that
11
million
is
a
blend
of
debt
and
pay
as
you
go.
C
B
I
mean
people
are
interested
in
how
much
we're
investing
in
capital
and
water
and
so
I'm
concerned
that
this
doesn't
really
make
sense
because
I
it
to
me
the
11
million
and
7
million
is
all
capital
investment,
whether
it's
debt
financed
or
pay.
As
you
go,
it's
still
capital
investment
right
am
I
making
sense
here.
Yeah.
C
Yeah,
it
is
I,
see
your
question
now
yeah,
it's
really
it's
a
combination
of
an
event
release
for
projects
that
are
complete,
but
it's
all
about
infrastructure
investment.
So
all
of
that
18
million
this
year
is
essentially
for
infrastructure
infrastructure
improvements
in
development,
either
things
that
are
complete
or
things
that
are
currently
underway.
B
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
that
we
need
to
redo
this
for
our
presentation
when
it
comes
to
council,
so
that
the
public
under
until
of
investment
and
maybe
what
we
need
to
do
is
contextualize
it
as
well,
because
we
do
have
a
multi-year
capital
plan,
so
we
probably
need
to
contextualize
it
with.
You
know
something
that
shows
that
multi-year
Capital
plan,
but
I
guess
I'm
not
based
on
your
answer.
B
I
guess:
I'm,
not
totally
understanding
I
mean
you're,
saying
this
is
a
snapshot
for
next
year
we're
going
to
have
11
million
in
in
capital.
We
have
seven
in
already
debt
financed,
so
you
know
is
it?
Is
it
going
to
be
I
think
what
you're
saying
is
for
this
next
year,
it'll
be
18
million
in
total
infrastructure,
slash
capital
investment
I'm
just
making
this
worse,
I'm.
Sorry,
okay
and.
C
I
C
Well,
I
think
it
would
depend
on
how
you
define
capital-
you
know
in
our
world
of
accounting,
we're
going
to
say
just
the
11
million
but
I
think
from
a
Layman's
perspective
like
you're
talking
about
mayor
I,
think
you
could
say
that
that
18
million
is
what
we're
paying
for
out
of
this
year's
budget
in
the
water
fund
that
goes
toward
infrastructure
in
the
ground
stuff
in
the
water
fund.
Does
that
kind
of
answer
your
question.
B
I
am
not
confused.
I
think
this
is
confusing
the
way
we're
presenting
it
for
the
public
to
understand
it.
My
and
I'm
just
contrasting
it
with
the
way
that
I've
seen
it
presented
at
MSD,
where,
where
it's
very
clear,
whether
it's
debt
or
pay
as
you
go,
this
is
the
annual
investment
into
infrastructure.
I
B
I
B
H
H
Think
it's
really
helpful
for
us
to
really
convey
the
big
picture
to
the
public,
which
is
that
you
know
nearly
half
of
our
budget
is
going
into
capital
and
that's
an
important
picture
to
share
so
I
like
that
idea
and
updating
it.
So
that
can
be
really
caught
quickly
from
someone
glancing
through
these
slides
and
then
the
Nuance
of
how
we
account
for
it
could
be
discussed
if
we
need.
C
Any
other
questions
we'll
definitely
before
we
come
back
to
you
all
next
month
and
then
we
go
to
council
we'll
update
this
slide.
So
that
is
more
clear
with
the
annual
investment
in
infrastructure
is
so
and
I
do
want
to
make
sure
keep
an
eye
on
time,
I'm
going
to
move
ahead
unless
there's
other
questions
just
so,
we
make
sure
we
get
through
all
the
all
the
slides
today.
So
at
least
you
can
go
to
the
next
one.
C
We
have
been
slowly
recovering
that
that
Revenue
incrementally
over
time
and
we've
been
doing
it
in
such
a
way
where
some
part
of
the
fee
is
based
on
the
meter,
size
and
larger
meters,
pay
higher
pay
a
higher
fee,
and
at
least
you
can
go
to
the
the
next
slide.
Just
kind
of
give
you
all
some
some
visual
on
on
what
the
fee
was.
So
this
was
what
the
this
is:
the
average
single
family
residential
user
fee
and
you
can
see
back
in
fiscal
year
20
again.
C
That
was
the
last
year
that
we
included
the
CIP
fee
in
the
in
the
bills.
Folks
were
paying
on
average
about
65
and
then,
when
the
fee
went
away
because
we're
in
the
middle
of
covid,
we
did
not
want
to
burden
customers
at
that
point
by
increasing
the
fee,
and
so
if
customers
actually
saw
a
decrease
in
the
fee
that
that
year
and
then
we've
begun
to
slowly
recover
that
at
revenue
from
the
CIP
fee
over
the
last
couple
years,
with
the
plan
to
continue
that
you
don't
see
fy24
in
here.
C
Yet
again,
that's
the
budget
Year
we're
working
on,
but
we
will
plan
to
continue
to
incrementally
increase
that
fee
to
recover
some
of
the
revenue
that
was
lost
back
in
fiscal
year
20..
So
at
least
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide
and
again
we
don't
have
specific
recommendations
for
you
all
today,
but
some
of
the
things
under
consideration
for
Water
fee
changes
and
and
the
first
one
is
one
that
we
do
every
year
and
it's
kind
of
based
off
of
the
CIP.
C
But
we
do
charge
MSD
because
we
build
their
service
on
our
bills,
and
so
we
increase
that
every
year,
the
fee
that
we're
charging
them
again.
We're
also
looking
at
increases
in
the
base
fee
to
customers
based
on
meter
size
and
also
an
increase
in
that
volumetric
or
consumption
fee
as
well,
and
then
some
more
kind
of
minor
customer
use
fees.
If
you
will
around
hydrometer
panels
and
deposits
for
those.
C
E
Thank
you
so,
in
the
past,
I've
seen
sort
of
a
breakdown
of
what
that
volumetric
number
is
and
another
way
that
it's
communicated
in
the
public
is
like
a
bulk
discount.
So
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
big
question
mark
around
our
residential
customers,
ultimately
paying
more
per
gallon
of
water
and
I.
E
Think
that
if,
if
we
are
going
to
stop
using
the
same
side,
we've
been
using
over
the
years
to
show
that
breakdown,
we
probably
need
something
else
similar
to
it,
because
those
questions
are
going
to
come
up
and
they're,
not
just
going
to
go
away
because
we
didn't,
we
changed
the
slides.
So
if
there's
a
way
to
bring
back
that
breakdown
of
by
customer
type,
if
if
there
is
a
bulk
discount,
if
we're
changing
it,
what
the
economic
impact
will
be?
B
Yeah,
so
if
we,
if
we're
gonna,
do
that
I
mean
yes,
the
residential
rate
is
higher
than
the
industrial,
commercial
and
wholesale
rate,
and
it
is
for
every
water
system
in
America,
so
I
mean
if
we're
gonna,
do
that
deep
dive
to
me
what
would
be
helpful?
The
the
context
that
I
would
need
to
understand
is
our
residential
comparison
across
the
state
or
our
region
to
know
you
know:
are
we
in
line
with
what
water
customers
are
having
to
pay
in
Greenville,
South,
Carolina
or
in
Raleigh
or
in
you
know,
Wilmington
North
Carolina?
B
That
would
help
me
too.
In
addition
to
that
differential,
the
rate
difference
and
then
the
other
you
know
unusual
constraint
for
customers
inside
or
outside
the
system,
so
that
impacts
our
I
assume.
That
impacts
our
overall
water
rate,
but
I
I
just
want
to
add
that
and
in
addition,
I
would
like
to
see
that
other
kind
of
side-by-side
comparison.
E
I
agree,
I,
think
it's
like
by
side.
Comparison
by
city
is
helpful
and
not
every
city
is
beer.
City
USA,
so
I
think
that
we
do
have
to
like
be
consider
the
fact
that
we
are
offering
a
bulk
discount
to
a
resource.
That's
a
public
resource
that
is
exported
and
there's
there's
job
association
with
that.
There's
Economic
Development
Association
with
that
but
I.
Also
having
worked
in
the
service
industry
and
in
the
tourism
industry,
I
know
that
not
every
lodging
facility
has
their
own
laundry
on
site.
E
B
B
So
it's
been
a
while
since
I.
Well
that
I've
seen
the
those
sort
of
side
by
side,
comparisons,
I
think
to
get
at
what
you're
talking
about
Kim
too
you'd
need
to
look
at
consumption.
You
know
so
so
relative
to
the
whole
water
system.
What
is
our
industrial
consumption?
Is
that
excessively
large
relative
to
what
we're
using
for
residential
customers
compared
to
our
you
know,
sister
cities,
if
you
will
so.
H
H
I
know
that
we
can
be
the
best
water
department
ever
and
that
we
might
to
be
as
prepared
as
possible
for
whether
emergencies
like
we
experience,
we
might
want
to
look
at
more
capital
investment
or
more
investment
in
other
places
pending.
What
we
hear
from
the
the
studies
were
ongoing,
so
just
hoping
that
we're
able
to
track
the
timing
of
things
so
that,
when
we're
starting
to
really
dial
into
the
fee
numbers
that
we'll
be
looking
at
next
month,
there's
space
for
investing
in
things
that
come
out
of
that
report.
C
J
Okay,
so,
as
Tony
mentioned,
we
kind
of
have
three
fees
that
we
charge,
that
impact
almost
all
I,
guess
I'll,
say
overwhelming
majority
of
of
our
community.
So
next
one
we're
going
to
talk
about
is
our
storm
water,
service
and
fees
next
slide,
and
we
did
do
provide
some
more
detailed
information
to
this
committee
a
while
ago
on
stormwater
and
sanitation
that
I'll
be
talking
about
next.
So
just
wanted
to
pull
some
in
some
of
that.
J
To
summarize
that
conversation
and
I
think
probably
the
the
biggest
challenge
that
stormwater
has
are,
is
kind
of
this
big
system
needs.
So
you
know
if
you
kind
of
stop
start
at
the
beginning
there,
at
the
top,
with
that
deferred
maintenance,
we
just
have
old
infrastructure
and
deferred
maintenance
issues
that
have
really
put
us
into
that
second
piece,
which
is
being
in
a
very
reactive
position,
where
we're
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
you
know
things
aren't
falling
apart,
that
we're
addressing
emergencies
as
they
exist.
J
J
J
Those
those
complications
add
to
expense,
and
that
might
be
Complicated
by
like
project
needs
like
utility
conflicts
or
easement
Acquisitions,
but
it's
also
Complicated
by
what
I'll
call
the
kind
of
the
broader
economic
landscape.
You
know
whether
that's
finding
being
able
to
find
staff
that
can
manage
these
projects,
contractor
availability
and
material
costs
again
still
seeing
some
of
those
supply
chain
related
issues
in
in
stormwater
fund
and
the
stuff
that
they
have
to
purchase
to
put
in
this
infrastructure
next
slide,
and
then
the
last
one
is
some
environmental
challenges.
J
As
you
can
see
from
this
chart
that
goes
back
to
1901.
We
have
experienced
a
higher
frequency
of
High
Water
Events
in
Asheville,
and
you
know
that's
just
making
the
that
deferred
maintenance
and
some
of
our
other
challenges
that
much
worse,
because
it's
putting
additional
strain
on
the
system
next
slide.
J
We
are
currently
working
with
a
consultant
to
review.
Not
just
the
financial
piece,
but
the
operational
and
capital
needs
in
the
stormwater
system,
they're
going
to
look
at
our
our
fees
and
our
fee
structure,
which
I
think
has
not
been
reviewed
substantially
for
quite
some
time
and
we
think
that's
going
to
be
complete
sometime
this
summer.
So
we
should
have
some
additional
information
from
that.
But
again
we
know
we
have
some
some
significant
needs
that
we've
already
identified
next
slide
so
again
complex
service.
J
E
So
we
have
a
patagonal
or
did
want
to
just
say
that
I
think
when
we're
looking
at
the
impacts
of
climate
change
and
our
community
storm
water
is
a
big
one,
also
a
lot
of
questions
around
the
impact
of
development.
If
we
don't
have
the
infrastructure
in
place,
I
get
pictures
of
folks
who
are
like
every
single
time
it
rains
my
basement
is
flooded
and
that
didn't
always
used
to
be
the
case.
E
So
folks
are
asking
questions,
so
we
don't
create
future
emergencies,
but
they're
also,
you
know
I'm
among
people
who
would
like
for
us
to
look
at
new
and
untapped
revenue
and
so
I
think.
That's
there's
big
conversation
around
that
at
the
state
level
and
I
appreciate
that
our
legislative
agenda
gets
to
the
heart
of
that.
J
All
right
next
slide
move
on
to
sanitation
and
again.
This
is
some
kind
of
that
summary
information
from
the
more
detailed
review
that
we
did
of
Sanitation
Services
with
this
committee
last
year.
But
essentially
you
know,
as
you
would
expect,
as
the
number
of
collection
points
in
the
city
grows.
So
you
know
new
new
homes
essentially
or
businesses.
In
some
cases
we
need
additional
staff
just
to
be
able
to
keep
up
with
our
existing
level
of
service.
We
also
have
you
know.
We
continue
to
see
kind
of
incremental
increases.
J
We
have
a
fairly
new
recycling
contract
that
I
think
was
put
into
place
last
year.
That
includes
an
annual
escalation
in
that
contract.
We
also
see
landfill
tipping
fees
for
the
Buncombe
County
landfill,
going
up
on
a
regular
basis.
So
again,
just
the
cost
to
pre
to
continue
to
maintain
our
existing
level
is
service.
J
So
again,
just
as
a
reminder,
we
did
increase
the
sanitation
fee
in
the
for
the
current
year,
but
the
last
one
prior
to
that
it
had.
We
had
not
increased
it
since
FY
17
and
again,
just
because
of
those
those
escalating
costs.
We've
struggled
to
maintain
our
existing
service
level
without
additional
resources.
So
and
again,
that's
before
you
even
start
thinking
about
trying
to
improve
that
that
service
level
so
again
a
challenge
there
next
slide.
So
any
questions
on
Sanitation.
B
You
know
with
these
fees,
increasing
it's
a
lot
easier
for
folks
to
handle
monthly
billing.
I
know
the
last
time
we
looked
at
it.
The
cost
differential
to
the
city
was
about
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
we
would
not
save
if
I'm
remembering
that
number
right.
But
if
we
could,
you
know
if
we
could
look
at
that
I
know.
People
have
asked
for
that
over
the
years
and
I
know
we
do
msd's
billing,
so
we
have
to
figure
that
out
with
them
as
well.
J
All
right
next
slide,
so
I
did
want
to
mention
this,
because
I
think
it
will
be
impactful,
especially
for
businesses
around
downtown,
but
staff
are
working
to
put
a
permanent
program
in
place.
You
know.
During
the
pandemic
we
created
some
flexibility
for
businesses
to
utilize
parking
spaces
for
for
dining
as
an
example
we're
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
create
a
program
that
makes
sense
for
our
community
and
that
we
can,
you
know,
enforce
so.
Staff
are
working
through
that.
J
There
will
certainly
be
a
fee
component
to
that,
but
there
are
also
several
other
components
and
that
would
include
updates
to
the
outdoor
dining
ordinance,
an
expansion
of
the
program
to
kind
of
include
these,
these
Street
streeteries
and
some
again
standards
fees.
Some
administrative
management,
I
get
so
we'll
have
a
a
package
of
those
items.
So
those
there
will
again,
there
will
be
a
fee
change
for
the
likely
for
the
outdoor,
dining
related
part
and
a
new
fee
related
to
the
the
use
of
parking
spaces.
J
But
we
thought
it
made
sense
to
put
all
of
that
together,
rather
than
try
to
peel
out
just
the
the
fee
piece
of
that
to
go
along
with
our
other
fee
changes.
So
we
just
wanted
to
alert
you
all
that
that's
coming,
but
it
is
not
coming
as
part
of
our
recommendations
on
other
changes.
Fee
changes
in
next
month,
council
member
ready.
E
Yeah
I
know
this
may
seem
totally
separate
we're
talking
about
public
use
of
space
and
economic
impact
for
our
local
businesses.
So
it
has
been
brought
to
my
attention
that
there
are
some
food
truck
owners
who
would
like
to
look
at.
Maybe
a
pilot
program
of
using
public
space
I
did
send
a
request
and
to
staff.
As
this
conversation
is
unfolding
and
I
know,
we
could
look
at
some
more
information.
Maybe
it
needs
to
go
parallel
at
the
same
time
as
this
conversation,
but
maybe
it
needs
to
be
separate.
E
I,
don't
think
it's
entirely
separate
when
we
look
at
the
public
benefits
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
the
local
restaurants
seem
to
not
be
open
late
at
night,
so
we're
talking
like
specifically
week
and
nights
like
11
to
2
30.
the
possibility
to
support
small
local
businesses,
but
also
minority
women-owned
businesses
that
might
not
have
the
capital
for
a
permanent
location
and
I
know.
H
One
of
the
things
that
I
learned
in
that
process
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
need
to
do
like
are
being
proposed
here
in
the
context
of
fees
and
regulation
about
our
ordinances
and
fees
and
charges
and
sidewalk,
encouragement
and
things
of
that
nature.
But
there's
also
a
lot
of
things
that
we
can
dream
about
in
this
category.
That's
about
programming,
like
the
relationship.
H
You
know
the
people
power
that
it
would
take
to
manage
something
like
a
street
truck
a
food
truck
program
or
to
manage
complete
things
of
that
nature
and
when
I
think
about
the
interplay
of
our
kind
of
regulatory
responsibility
for
sidewalk,
encryptions,
Etc
and
the
programming
potential.
It
makes
me
think
of
the
conversation
that
the
the
chamber
is
initiating
around
business
Improvement
districts.
H
So
I
don't
know
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
into
this
conversation,
because
I
think
you
know
the
idea
around
food
trucks
might
have
kind
of
a
regulatory
component
to
it
and
a
programming
component
to
it
and
I
know.
This
is
the
season
charges
conversation
today,
but
I
don't
know,
there's
some
merging
on
some
of
what
can
you
dream
and
how
do
we
make
sure
it's
enforced
and
designed
properly
so
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
sprinkle
that
thought
in.
J
Thank
you,
council,
member,
Olney
and
I.
Think
again,
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
we
wanted
to
bring
this
up
in
this
conversation
because
it
will
involve
a
fee
change
but
I
think
that's
not
really
the
primary
driver
of
why
we're
doing
this
or
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
with
it.
So
again,
there'll
be
a
lot
more
and
I.
Think
kind
of
aligns,
with
with
your
with
your
comments
again
trying
to
look
at
it
from
a
broader
perspective
than
just.
J
How
do
we
charge
and
what
do
we
charge
and
does
it
allow
us
to
administer
the
program
next
slide,
so
I
think
getting
close
to
the
end.
Here
we
have
a
few
other
adjustments
that
are
under
consideration.
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
about
these
The
Parks
and
Recreation
are
related
to
programming
and
facility
rental
type
fees
that
we
charge,
but
I
would
say
in
general.
Those
are
not
increases,
they're,
really
just
adjustments
to
try
to
align
similar
fees
and
and
the
cost
of
those
council
member
Allman.
Do
you.
H
Yeah
I
guess
the
idea
of
you
know
both
what
what
the
fees
are
for
our
public
facilities
in
those,
but
also
can
also
kind
of
cross
the
relationships
of
those
agreements
where
fees
are
coming
about.
You
know
before
looking
at
the
difference
between
you
know,
not
only
the
fees
that
are
charged
but
who
has
access
to
the
public
facilities
are
on
my
mind
as
I.
H
You
know
hear
from
Neighbors
who
are
excited
about
hockey
at
carrier
Park,
but
also
excited
about
roller
skating
and
kind
of
some
tensions
and
navigating
that
I
think
probably
similar
to
my
last
comment.
You
know
I
understand
this
is
a
sneeze
conversation,
but
I
think
these
are
ultimately
built
into
our
agreements
for
being
in
relationship
with
those
Community
Partners.
So
I
hope
that
There's
an
opportunity
to
also
look
at
that.
Not
just
the
financial
part
of
it,
as
as
you
all
are
looking
at
designing
those
things
to
be
even
better
and
better.
B
H
Yeah,
maybe
it's
that
it's
kind
of
what
is
who
has
current
agreements
for
utilizing
space?
You
know
it
seems
like
the
hockey
groups
have
had
kind
of
historic
relationship
and
historic
access,
and
then
we
have
new,
organizing
efforts
and
new
energy
in
different
places,
and
it's
it's
just
not
really
clear
what
the
guiding
criteria
are
for
that
and
I.
Think
Fair
would
be
an
ideal
outcome,
but
I
know
it's
very
complex,
so
it's
not
like.
We
want
everyone
to
get
one
hour
each.
B
J
J
J
They
have
some
fees
established
right
now
for
individual
programs
that
they
want
to
kind
of
create
a
little
more
flexibility
so
that
they
can
adjust
their
programming
through
the
year
so
to
again
just
kind
of
broaden
those
the
types
of
fees
and
then
the
stormwater
development
fees
are
related
to
development.
You
know
related
plain
review
and
inspections
for
storm
water.
So
again
those
are
very
specific
to
the
customers
that
pay
them
now.
I
think
we
can
go
on
to
the
key
takeaways
again.
J
B
E
E
B
Right
and
we
and
we
will
actually
be
hearing
the
recommended
fees
and
charges
at
this
committee
level
before
it
goes
to
council
and
the
council
will
have
a
work
session
focused
on
this
I
believe
it
fits
like
every
other
year,
I'm
trying
to
remember
the
schedule
of
my
mind.
Okay
with
that,
unless
there
are
any
other
questions,
I
believe
we
are
adjourned
all
right.
Thank
you.
Everyone
thanks.
Everybody
bye.