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From YouTube: Environment & Safety Committee – June 27, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the Asheville City Council Environment & Safety Committee.
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B
Thanks
welcome
everybody
glad
that
everybody
is
here
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
Maggie
Ullman
and
I
am
the
chair
of
our
environment
and
Safety
Committee,
and
today
is
our
June
27th
2023
remote
meeting,
all
Council
committee
members
and
staff
and
our
guests
are
participating
virtually
so
to
help
everybody
follow
along
if
anybody's
watching
live
or
on
YouTube
I'll
State
each
section
of
the
agenda
so
that
we
can
kind
of
track
together.
We
are
streaming.
This
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link.
B
It's
on
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website
real
easy
to
find.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
telephone
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today.
Welcome
for
today's
meeting.
We
have
the
option
for
people
to
call
in
and
comment
live
during
the
meeting
to
call
in
and
comment.
Live
use
the
same
number.
B
855-925-2801
meeting
code
9477,
your
phone
will
be
muted
and
you'll
hear
the
meeting
live
at
this
point.
Speakers
need
to
push
star
three
to
enter
the
speaker,
queue
all
right
and
before
we
dig
in
I'll,
do
a
roll
call
to
introduce
our
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
with
us.
I'll,
say
your
name
and
just
come
off,
mute
and
say
hello,
real
quickly.
So,
first
off
our
vice
mayor,
Sandra
Kilgore
welcome
good
morning.
B
We
also
have
councilwoman
Shanika
Smith
good
morning
good
morning,
ladies
our
city
manager,
Deborah
Campbell
good
morning,
our
assistant
city
manager,
Ben
Woody.
B
Exciting
glad
hey
Rachel
attorney
Brad
Branham
is
with
us
also.
F
A
B
Thank
you
and
then
our
item
two
is
approval
of
the
minutes
from
May
23rd
do
I
have
a
mission
to
approve
those
minutes.
B
All
right,
all
those
in
favor,
aye
aye,
the
motion
passes.
Okay.
Now
we
get
to
dig
in
oh
before
we
dig
in
I,
don't
know
if
everyone
has
seen
this,
but
I
just
got
wind
of
this
information
via
a
newsletter
from
our
state,
senator
that
House
Bill
140
passed,
which
is
the
legislation
that
would
enable
us
to
start
civilian
crash
response
programs.
This
is
something
that
the
city
of
Asheville
was
a
big
leader
on
and
we're
really
grateful
our
state
senator,
so
that
just
feels
very
exciting.
B
We
know
that
we
have
some
challenges
in
how
we're
gonna,
keep
everything
really
safe
and
I.
Think
this
is
a
really
win
forward
and,
honestly,
it
might
play
into
some
of
the
conversation
we
have
with
noise
advisory,
but
anyway,
I
don't
know
if
everybody
knew
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
share
except
find
that
exciting.
B
So,
but
let's
go
ahead
and
jump
in
our
item.
Three
of
the
agenda
is
the
noise
Advisory
Board
policy
recommendations.
My
understanding
as
the
chair
and
vice
chair
and
the
whole
group
have
been
working
some
time
on
looking
at
our
existing
policy
and
ordinance
and
ways
that
it
could
keep
being
improved.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
y'all
to
share.
What's
on
your
minds,.
H
Great,
thank
you
so
much
for
having
us
today.
We're
really
excited
to
have
an
opportunity
to
share
some
of
the
work
that
we've
been
doing
and
just
see
if
there's
some
some
ways
that
we
can
get
some
support
from
City
staff
to
move
forward
on
some
things
that
we've
been
working
on
Katie.
If
you
wouldn't
mind
going
to
our
next
slide,.
H
A
good
part
of
when
we
first
started
in
2021
into
2022
was
really
looking
at
the
different
issues
that
were
affecting
people
via
noise
and
then
us
looking
for
points
of
Leverage
to
make
some
change
with
that.
So
our
goal
as
we
did
with
the
we
put
our
annual
report
together.
Our
goal
is
to
propose
long-term
objectives
for
achieving
reduced
levels
of
sound
for
our
business
and
residential
communities
and
propose
means
for
implementing
such
objectives.
H
Next
slide,
please,
okay,
so
we
have
some
recommendations
in
terms
of
how
to
address
vehicular
noise.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we've
seen
continually
is
formal
complaints
and
some
of
our
own
observations
demonstrating
that
there's
intentional
very
loud
noise
from
vehicles,
that's
unwelcome
both
to
businesses,
downtown
residents
and
tourists.
H
So
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
recommend
to
city
council
that
it
directs
city
manager
to
empower
us.
The
noise
Advisory
Board
to
work
with
City
staff
on
a
revised
ordinance
to
reduce
vehicular
noise
from
intentional
engine
revving
and
modified
exhaust
systems,
so
that
we
can
then
present
that
to
city
council
for
approval
in
2023..
H
The
noise
Advisory
Board
would
entail
additional
research
collaboration
with
City
DDS
and
legal
and
legal
staff,
consultation
with
the
Asheville
Police
Department
for
enforcement
and
compliance
strategy
and
specific
written
recommendations
for
presentations
for
the
city.
So
if
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,.
H
So
we've
been
doing
some
research
already
and
we've
been
looking
at
what
some
of
the
other
cities
somewhat
comparable
to
Asheville,
or
at
least
in
the
Southeast
have
done
so.
We've
been
looking
at
some
of
the
things
that
Knoxville
has
done
and
Greenville
South
Carolina.
So
both
of
these
are
these
pictures
that
you
see
are
examples
of
some
things
that
they've
that
they've
they've
done
to
help
mitigate
noise.
Downtown
we'd
like
to
be
able
to
conduct
a
study
to
find
out
days
and
times
that
are
most
problematic
and
part
of
that
is.
H
You
know,
we're
putting
our
own
time
and
energy
into
that.
So
basically
we're
taking
the
information
from
the
complaints
that
we're
receiving,
but
also
doing
some
of
our
own
assessment
of
just
going
out
downtown
certain
times
of
day
to
see
when
it's
most,
when
it's
been
most
problematic
and
we'd
like
to
additionally
continue
to
do
that,
also
with
with
City
staff
and
we'd,
also
like
to
work
with
law
enforcement
to
have
a
presence
once
or
twice
a
month
at
these
most
problematic
times.
H
So,
first
and
foremost,
I
do
want
to
say
that
we
recognize
that
there
are
other
priorities
that
we
know
are
really
important
for
law
enforcement
right
now,
especially
with
the
current
Staffing
situation.
So
we're
certainly
not
asking
to
for
for
a
ton
of
resources
to
make
this
happen.
But
what
we're
hoping
to
do
is,
after
we
do
our
research
and
find
out
the
times
that
are
most
problematic,
which
is
most
likely
going
to
be
a
Friday
or
Saturday
night
in
like
Peak.
H
You
know
tourist
time
tourist
season
if
we
can
collaborate
and
coordinate
with
APD
to
have
some
presence
that,
hopefully
just
having
a
presence
and
being
able
to
write
some
tickets
for
for
what's
happening,
will
basically,
hopefully
help
to
mitigate
some
of
the
problems
we
have
like
word
gets
out
like,
oh,
you
can't
necessarily
be
doing
this
all
the
time.
You
know
oh
they're,
starting
to
crack
down
sort
of
thing.
H
I've
heard
I'm
a
part
of
a
number
of
groups
of
of
downtown
business
owners,
and
so
I've
worked
downtown
for
24
years.
We
know
it's
loud,
but
there's
a
difference
between
just
certain
levels
of
of
noise.
From
just
merry
making
downtown
and
then
people
basically
sign
off
their
mufflers
and
just
driving
around
downtown
and
just
rubbing
their
engines
and
being
really
loud,
and
it's
it's
also
one
of
those
things
that
we
definitely
see
is
just
it's
a
thing
that
a
lot
of
different
people
agree
on
is
is
problematic.
H
G
Only
thing
I
have
to
say
is
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
before
us,
because
I
myself
have
witnessed
a
lot
of
those
things
happening
downtown
and,
unlike
something
needs
to
be
done
about
this,
and
so
I'm
greatly
appreciative
to
you
all
for
bringing
that
to
us.
I
was
just
wondering
I
know
you
sort
of
like
you
were
talking
about
the
resources
that
are
available
through
the
police
department.
I
was
just
thinking.
Is
it
possible
to
sort
of
do
it
in
phases
like
say,
for
instance,
this
noise
ordinance
enforce
sign?
G
That
is
very
effective.
Just
for
me,
looking
at
it
because
a
lot
of
people
just
don't
know
it's
wrong
or
whatever
or
they
would
be
fine,
and
it
still
finds
that
they
could.
You
know
receive
for
doing
this,
and
I
was
just
wondering,
even
if
we're
not
able
to
get
all
these
things
implemented,
just
sort
of
doing
it
in
basis
and
getting
signs
up
around
the
city
to
see
how
effective
that
could
be
without
bringing
in
different
resources
that
we
may
you
know,
can
do
without
this
time.
Yeah.
H
Absolutely
absolutely
Sandra
and
I
think
that
you
know
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
wanted
to
present
this
like
this.
Is
that
it
doesn't.
You
know
and,
like
I
said,
we
we
recognize
and
realize
just
with
the
situation,
with
the
amount
of
officers
that
were
down
at
APD
and
just
knowing
that
there's
a
lot
of
other,
more
pressing
issues
with
with
Public
Safety
that
are,
that
are
a
bigger
concern
that
you
know.
H
H
You
know,
other
other,
more
important
things
that
we're
dealing
with
as
a
community,
so
yeah
I
think
it
can
definitely
be
done
in
a
in
a
quarter,
a
step
process
and
putting
signs
up
see
if
we
see
a
decrease
in
complaints
and
a
decrease
in
the
in
the
problem
and
then
moving
forward
accordingly.
So
thank.
B
You
yeah
been
on
this.
This
dynamic
Dynamics
is
on
my
mind
too,
and
what
it
makes
me
think
of
is
I
know
that
we're
nearing
the
transition
point
where
we
initiated
this
60-day
downtown
safety
initiative
and
I
think
safety
and
well-being
and
welcomingness
kind
of
all
fold
together.
And
if
you
look
at
kind
of
the
details
of
what
we
did
with
that
initiative,
it
wasn't
all
about
policing.
Actually,
it
was
a
lot
about
a
lot
of
different
things
and
so
I
know.
B
Staff
has
been
working
really
hard
detailing
what
where
this
evolves
to,
because
no
one
is
trying
to
end
that
we
all
just
want
to
grow.
What
we're
doing
to
support
downtown
so
I
would
wonder
if
some
of
the
the
next
steps
would
be
looking
to
staff
Deborah
and
the
team.
That's
preparing
kind
of
what
comes
after
the
60-day
initiative
and
how
addressing
this
vehicle
noise
could
be
part
of
that,
because
I'll
I'll,
agree
or
I
agree
with
you.
Sandra
I've
been
there
and
it's
obnoxious
at
at
best
and
really
like
startling
at
worst.
B
You
know,
and
it's
really
disruptive
to
the
downtown
space.
When
you
hear
these
cars
barreling
through
and
it's
as
if
they're
just
doing
it
for
fun,
so
that
would
be
something
I'd
be
really
eager
to
hear
of,
because
we
might
be
able
to
programmatically
address
this
without
having
to
do
a
bunch
of
ordinance
changes.
I,
don't
know
Deborah.
If
you
have
any
thoughts
on
how
those
two
might
marry.
I
I
Step
in
can
I
can
I
just
kind
of
chime
in
and
piggyback
off
of
what
Sandra
said
and
also
what
councilwoman
Oldman
said.
I
A
lot
of
the
approach
from
the
community
responder
program
was
not
focused
on
enforcement,
but
it
was
focused
on
education,
so
I'm
thinking
about
some
type
of
educational
campaign
where
we
can
get
the
information
out
through
our
media
sources
and
also
signage
before
and
then
assess
that
and
then
we'll
we'll
see
if
enforcement
and
compliance
is
needed.
But
in
keeping
with
the
spirit
of
our
community
responder
program,
I
think
at
this
unjunction
it'll
it'll
probably
be
more
effective
to
educate.
J
J
All
of
you
all
are
right
in
terms
of
how
we
could
potentially
respond.
We
are
awaiting
you,
all's
Direction,
in
terms
of
your
committee
direction
as
to
whether
you
want
to
take
this
on
as
part
of
your
work
program
for
to
direct
staff
to
to
to
address.
This
is
only
part
of
the
ask,
so
this
is
vehicle
and
then
there's
another
section.
That's
going
to
be
related
to
a
sanitation
work,
so
we're
looking
at
it
in
its
totality
and
potentially
assessing
what
you
know.
J
Staff
resources
and
impact
on
staff
resources
and
we'd
be
more
than
happy,
depending
upon
the
direction
of
the
committee
to
incorporate
some
of
the
ideas
and
strategies
that
you
all
just
talked
about,
in
particular,
leading
with
education
and
then
take
next
steps
in
terms
of
stricter
enforcement
and
clarify
who
really,
who
kind
of
owns
enforcement
of
the
the
noise
orders.
B
Yeah
and
I
think
you
know
the
what
I
think
I'm
hearing
is
the
examples
of
the
strategies
that
I
you
know,
I
hear
my
colleagues
bringing
up
and
ladies
tell
me,
if
I'm
interpreting
this
differently
but
I
feel
like
I'm,
not
hearing
all
in
make
this
the
top
priority
reappropriate
police
staff.
So
we
get
it.
What
I'm
hearing
is
this
is
a
problem
we
want
to
address
it.
We
want
to
balance
how
we
design
solving
this
with
our
ability
to
actually
enforce
and
to
be
as
pragmatic
as
possible
given
and
Jessica.
B
You
brought
this
up
given
the
resource
constraints,
no
one's
trying
to
say
this
above
everything
else,
but
we
see
that
there's
some
low-hanging
fruit,
things
that
we
can
do
to
address
this,
and
so,
if
that's,
how
I'm
viewing
this,
and
so,
if
there's
ways
to
step
towards
this
in
a
phased
approach,
Sandra,
like
you
were
saying
where
we
can
turn
the
dial
a
little
bit
to
get
a
good
outcome.
B
I
think
that
would
be
worthy
of
Staff
time,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
don't
go
into
a
five-year,
think
and
review
and
study
process
and
I
don't
hear
anyone
asking
for
that.
But
I
would
want
it
to
be
really
pragmatic
and
Swift
and
concise
and
precise
to
see
what
we
can
do.
H
And
I'll
just
add
that
you
know
our
as
a
board
we're
pretty
we're
we're
willing
to
do
the
work
I
mean
we.
We
definitely
view
ourselves
as
as
being
there
to
help
support
the
city
in
terms
of
making
things
better
and
and
trying
to
alleviate
those
stresses
off
the
city
as
much
as
possible
and
I
love,
councilwoman
Smith
that
you
said
starting
from
an
education
standpoint,
because
that
is
so
much
of
what
we've
had
to
do.
H
This
is
when
it
when
it
comes
to
noise
when
it
comes
to
sound
and
how
sound
travels
and
how
sound
is,
is
picked
up
and
and
recorded.
So
much
of
what
we
do
and
have
been
doing
is
educating
people
on
that
right
because
there's
it's
it's
it's
also
so
subjective
and
that's
the
other
thing
that
we
we
work
with.
It's
it's
it's
it's
it's
not
a
mad,
a
matter
of
like
how
many
you
know
we
need
more
green
space
or
trees.
It's
just
like
you
know
this.
H
Some
what's
loud
to
one
person
isn't
to
another,
and
so
a
lot
of
it
is
is
educating
people
on
it.
So
I
think
that
is
a
great
first
step
and
anything
that
we
can
do
on
our
end
to
help
you
know,
give
us
a
budget
and
we
can
do
the
research
for
the
signs
or
that
sort
of
thing,
or
you
know,
work
with
whatever
it
may
be.
So
we're
happy
we're
happy
to
do
the
work
if
we
get
the
support
for
it
for
sure.
I
Another
thing:
we've
also
learned
through
the
60-day
downtown
initiative
that
safety
and
cleanliness
it
doesn't
rest
on
the
shoulders
of
law
enforcement
Alone
and
is
taken
into
departmental
effort.
So
and
if
we
decide
to
go
this
Direction
with
education,
then
what
other
department
has
the
time
in
the
bandwidth
to
help
us
design
and
conceptualize
what
a
media
campaign
around
our
enforcement
concerning
exhaust
systems
and
excessive
noise?
Maybe
that
is
kind
of
like
the
shaping
of
the
direction.
K
So
the
challenge
here
is
that
it's,
the
timing
of
the
noise
is
particularly
problematic
for
downtown
residents
before
the
noise
ordinance
was
drafted
and
approved
and
Ben
Woody
can
testify
this
effect.
We
actually
had
a
meeting
as
we
were,
collaborating
with
getting
the
noise
ordinance
written
with
some
waste,
haulers
and
staff
at
that
point
in
time,
and
it
was
really
educational
to
me
that
part
of
the
reason
or
the
primary
reason
for
this
early
start
is
that
the
waste
haulers
compete
to
be
in
the
same
space.
K
So
we
talked
in
general
terms
how
we
can't
risk
people
getting
hurt,
but
they're
there
needs
to
be
a
better
system
than
this,
so
that
we
just
don't
have
this
problem
with
everybody
trying
to
be
in
the
same
place
at
the
same
time
and
so
I
reached
out
to
residents
based
on
their
complaints
and
talk
to
them
and
got
their
commitment
that
they
would
participate
in
a
task
force
with
the
city
to
look
at
how
other
cities
have
handled
this
and
how
other
cities
in
our
region
and
other
tourist
cities
like
ours
can
successfully
delay
the
dumpster
slam
until
7
A.M,
when
most
people
are
already
awake
and
trying
to
get
on
with
their
day.
K
Business
Leaders
and
residents
from
downtown
who
could
then
study
how
other
cities
have
accomplished
this
sort
of
thing
and
how
they
have
managed
to
both
keep
the
cost
of
waste
hauling
down,
so
that
it
isn't
a
burden
on
the
business
reduced,
Public
Safety
as
a
result
of
a
better
coordinated
plan
and
then
made
downtown
more
livable
next
slide.
Please.
K
So,
as
an
example,
we've
done
our
research
we've
looked
around
at
other
other
cities.
You
can
see
that
other
at
the
Carolina
cities
have
substantially
later
starts
than
this
Raleigh
at
six
Charlotte,
seven
Winston-Salem,
seven
and
then
other
tourist
destinations
with
even
larger
populations
than
Asheville,
also
managed
to
get
this
pushed
back
to
6
a.m
or
7
A.M.
K
K
Just
the
fact
of
putting
that
task
force
together
will
help
downtown
residents
feel
positive
about
the
impact
that
it
could
have
and
I
have
commitment
from
members
of
the
downtown
residence
neighborhood
association
to
sign
up
and
be
part
of
this
and
to
participate
in
the
research
and
bringing
examples
back
to
the
city
that
could
be
considered
and
finding
out
where
this
has
been
done
successfully
and
what
the
processes
were.
K
So
if,
with
your
support
and
fitting
this
into
your
work
plan,
we
would
start
that
task
force
and,
of
course
the
Advisory
Board
would
stay
engaged
to
make
sure
that
it
all
got
off
the
ground
properly.
But
then,
ultimately,
it
doesn't
become
a
noise
advisory
problem.
It
just
becomes
a
revised
strategy
for
waste
pickup.
So
with
that
I'd
love
to
take
any
questions.
G
Hi
hi
Rick.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
divorce
and
presenting
this.
My
concern
is
the
7
A.M
that
you're
sort
of
looking
at
to
me
I
think
that
that
would
definitely
be
a
conflict,
especially
in
Asheville,
because
sort
of
sort
of
where
we
are
and
the
things
that
and
the
amount
of
businesses
downtown
and
the
bounds
of
activity
downtown.
G
When
you
talk
about
and
I
was
looking
at
a
lot
of
the
Cities
there
that
you
have
pretty
much
I
guess
Charleston
will
be
comparable
of
the
tourists.
Is
it
six
and
even
the
Raleigh
at
six
but
Winston
and
some
of
the
others?
They
don't
really
have
the
tourist
industry.
You
know
as
strong
as
we
do
so.
G
I
was
just
wondering
when
you
talked
about
bringing
a
task
force
together,
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
what
they
actually
be
studying
more
so
than
the
actual
times
I
mean
having
other
areas
found
more
in
in
honestly,
better
ways
to
pick
up
the
trash
or
whatever,
because
all
I'm
seeing
here
is
a
factor
is
the
time
and
I'm
just
wondering
the
need
for
having
a
task
force
just
to
study.
Adjusting
the
time
because
and
I
was
just
wondering
yeah
because
that's
the
only
factor
I
see
for
me,
I'm
not
sure
whatever.
K
So
let
me
answer
that
question.
I
I've
done
a
little
research,
but
since
sanitation
strategies
are
a
little
bit
beyond
the
scope
of
the
noise
Advisory
Board,
what
I
can
say
is
is
that
some
very
large
cities
with
huge
business
districts
have
have
taken
charge
of
what
waste
haulers
served.
What
districts
at
what
period
of
time.
So
imagine
if
you
would
that
you
could
break
downtown
up
into
some
reasonable
places
and
and
work
with
the
waste
haulers
to
say.
K
C
We
also
have
Jess
Foster
on
the
call
today,
who
is
our
Solid,
Waste
division
manager
and
and
really
Sandra
in
the
spirit
of
your
question
and
Rick.
In
the
spirit
of
the
response,
you
know.
One
thing
that
happened
council
did
allocate
funding
in
next
year's
budget
to
support
a
solid
waste
master
plan.
So
I
do
think.
There's
some
connectivity
not
only
with
noise
but
just
the
manner
in
which
we
provide
that
server
or
the
manner
in
which
that
service
is
provided
in
downtown.
C
So
if
it's
okay,
councilman
Allman
I'd
like
to
ask
Jess
to
give
a
little
bit
of
background
and
some
perspective
on
how
that
Master
Plan
may
play
into
this
as
well.
L
Thanks
Ben,
yes,
as
Ben
said,
we
council
did
approve
350
000
in
the
upcoming
budget
for
our
Solid
Waste
master
plan.
I'm
really
excited
about
that,
and
a
big
piece
of
that
is
going
to
be
looking
at
how
downtown
waste
collection
happens.
So
we
have
commercial
waste
collection
and
then
the
city
is
also
collecting
from
some
residents
and
small
businesses
downtown
and-
and
you
know,
like
Rick
said,
like
some
of
the
ways
that
we're
doing
all
of
this
are
really
outdated,
especially
given
the
way
that
downtown
has
grown.
L
But
you
know,
noise
is
not
the
only
Factor
like
space
is
a
factor
development
requirements
looking
at
roadway
damage,
and
so
he's
right.
In
that
you
know
we
could.
There
are
other
ways
to
do
that:
type
of
collection
through
franchise
zones
where
you
don't
have
haulers
competing
or
you
have
compactor
zones
where
everybody
is
just
taking
their
waste
to
one
location
in
specific
zones.
L
So
cities
have
done
it
a
lot
of
different
ways,
we're
just
we're
all
different,
and
so
the
the
solid
waste
master
plan
will
be
looking
into
that
to
solve
a
lot
of
our
challenges,
which
should
then
hopefully
solve
some
of
the
noise
issues.
So
my
request
would
be
to
that
Solid
Waste
Master
planning
process
will
be
hiring
a
consultant
in
public
engagement
and
Community
involvement
will
be
a
significant
piece
of
that.
L
J
I
think
they're
logging
short
of
this
conversation
is
that
we're
we're
kind
of
fortunate
that
we
have
initiatives
that
are
underway
that
could
probably
address
both
of
these
issues
without
creating
something
separate
or
distinct.
That
goes
on
its
own
path,
but
needs
to
be
incorporated
into
a
broader,
a
strategic
look
at
how
we
address
multiple
issues
downtown
so
I
hope
that
Mr,
Freeman
and
others
will
receive
this,
as
in
the
committee,
that
this
is
I.
Think
from
the
staff
perspective,
a
positive
response
that
we
can
address.
All
of
these
things
in
town.
B
I
mean
I'll,
just
Echo,
that
having
spent
years
working
in
city
government
and
then
now
being
on
Council,
it's
always
harder
to
start
a
new
thing
than
to
fold
into
so
I
find
it
really
optimistic
that
one,
the
noise
Advisory
board
has
done
so
much
work
to
get
a
group
kind
of
aligned
on
top
priorities,
because
that
is
not
easy
work.
I'm
sure
from
your
committee
and
the
fact
that
you've
been
able
to
do
that
work
to
come
together
with
these
priorities
really
helps
us
step
in
and
say
great.
B
Here's
where
we
can
kind
of
dock
these
to
work
with
the
alignment
in
the
community
and
then
have
the
staff
resources.
I,
see
your
hand
up
too
Rick.
What's
on
your
mind,.
K
So
when
I,
when
I
started
working
toward
this
I
had
reached
out
to
Jess,
she
was
coming
off
of
medical
leave
and
it
was.
It
became
impossible
for
us
to
get
face
to
face
before
the
deadline
for
the
annual
report,
but
I
was
aware
that
they
had
been
seeking
funding
for
a
new
master
plan
and
I
sort
of
thought
to
myself.
Well,
this
is
another
poke
in
that
direction.
That
would
maybe
push
them
over
the
line.
So
I
don't
have
any
problem
at
all.
K
Supporting
this
is
a
sub-objective
of
the
overall
master
plan
and
the
second
thing
I
would
offer
that
would
go
a
little
bit
beyond
my
responsibility
of
the
noise
Advisory
Board,
but
as
the
president
of
the
Coalition
of
Asheville
neighborhoods.
We
have
collaborated
recently
with
the
consultant
that
came
through
to
look
at
homelessness
and
we
ran.
K
We
ran
focus
groups
on
their
behalf
to
get
the
right
residents
into
the
right
room
at
the
right
time
to
to
share
their
findings
and
what
they're
concerned
about
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
either
I
from
a
coalition
of
Asheville
neighborhoods
perspective
or
our
board
member.
That's
on
the
downtown
residence
neighborhood
I'm
sure
I
can
get
100
commitment
to
fit
into
the
consultant
work
at
the
appropriate
time
and
make
sure
that
the
voices
are
heard.
J
B
Yeah,
that
sounds
fantastic,
so
staff
is
there
more.
You
need
from
us
to
kind
of
soak
up
kind
of
where
our
Synergy
is
and
where
the
Synergy
is
of
the
group
to
kind
of
move
forward.
J
I
think
what
we
have
heard,
in
particular
with
the
White
solo
recommendation,
that
that
will
be
folded
into
the
solid
waste
Master
Plan
update,
and
then
we
will
look
at
the.
J
What
do
we
want
vehicular
noise,
or
is
that
okay
appropriate?
We
will
look
at
that
as
we
are
considering
some
of
the
implementation
education
Outreach
related
to
it
to
addressing
that
that
issue,
I,
hope
and
I'm
looking
to
Dana
and
Ben.
J
C
Yeah
I
think
Deborah
been
Woody,
I,
think
I
think
it
is
I
think
we
want
to
talk
through
that
a
little
bit
and
think
it
through,
but
I
know
again.
Mark
Matheny,
director
of
BSD
is,
is
listening
in
on
the
call
and
so
Jessica
and
Rick
I'll
I
will
get
with
Mark.
After
this
meeting
get
connected
with
the
two
of
you
and
you
know
we'll
see
how
this
can
fit
into
kind
of
those.
C
J
K
Okay,
I
have
I,
have
one
more
request
and
one
more
slide
great.
If
you
can
advance
the
cause,
the
ordinance
will
be
two
years
old
in
September
and
we
are
now
entering
tourist
season
and
the
noisiest
season
in
Asheville
we'd
like
to
just
make
a
request.
Much
as
there
was
lots
of
public
Outreach
leading
up
to
the
ordinance
and
making
decisions
on
what
was
in
and
what
was
out
we'd
just
like
to
make
a
request
that
that,
at
this
time
would
be
a
good
time
to
just
get
public
feedback
on.
K
K
So
we
shouldn't
be
surprised
by
that,
but
the
enforcement
team
and
compliance
team
has
worked
really
hard
to
reach
out
and
into
multiple
segments,
especially
multi-family
housing,
where
the
vast
majority
of
noise
complaints
come
from.
It
would
just
I
think
help
us
refine
our
next
steps
as
a
noise
Advisory
board.
I
Deborah
I'm
thinking
that
equity
and
equity
and
engagement,
we
had
a
conversation
with
a
dogwood
not
too
long
ago
about
potential
questions
to
ask
during
a
public
input,
survey
and
I,
don't
know
when
that
is
planned,
but
I'm
wondering
since
we're
in
a
spirit
of
folding
these
recommendations
into
larger
plans.
If
that
will
not,
if
that
could
not
fit
into
some
of
the
work,
that
doll
is
already
doing
absolutely.
K
And
to
that
end,
we
would,
we
would
be
glad
to
come
up
with
a
prioritized
set
of
questions
based
on
what
we
think
we
want
to
know,
but
we're
not
survey
experts
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination.
So
those
would
be
the
topics
that
she
could
consider
and
you
know
then
craft
that
effectively
into
the
overall
communication
plan.
J
I
Because
I
think
what
she
wanted
to
do,
she
was
surveying,
counsel
and
prompting
us
to
come
up
with
questions
that
will
be
very
powerful.
I
So
maybe
this
committee
can
take
collaborate
with
the
noise
Advisory
Board
to
formulate
those
questions
and
present
it
to
to
Dolla
and
her
team,
and
maybe
we
can
end
that
public
survey.
Maybe
noise
can
have
its
own
subgroup
so
that
it
gets
the
attention
and
the
Credence
it
needs
absolutely.
H
B
Thank
you
great.
It's
so
nice,
when
just
such
like
thorough,
precise
and
focused
teamwork,
can
happen.
So
thanks.
Okay.
Moving
on
to
the
next
item
of
our
agenda
item
number
four
is
an
update,
as
we've
done
a
couple
times
in
this
initiative
of
the
downtown
safety
initiative
from
Dana
Frankel
and
then
Woody
over
TL.
C
Thank
you,
chair
old
and
I
am
going
to
lead
off
with
a
very
brief
intro
and
then
Dana
is
going
to
give
a
pretty
brief
update.
C
So
this
shouldn't
take
too
long
good
morning
again,
I'm
Ben,
Woody
assistant
city
manager
and
I've
been
working
along
with
the
other
assistant
city
manager,
Rachel
Wood
we've
been
working
with
Dana
Frankel,
who,
as
everybody
knows,
is
the
project
manager
for
the
60-day
initiative,
and
you
know,
of
course,
we've
worked
closely
with
Dana
and
and
try
to
support
our
departments
throughout
this
happy
to
be
here
again
today
to
give
you
an
update
for
those
that
are
counting.
C
This
is
day
57
of
the
initiative,
so
we're
getting
close
to
the
end
of
June.
We
also
have.
Today
we
have
some
staff
from
APD
fire
and
PW
I
do
want
to
just
take
a
second
to
recognize
a
couple,
other
staff
that
we
didn't
cover
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
C
So
we
also
in
addition
to
deputy
chief
Bob
Stark,
we
have
Captain
stepp,
who
is
on
the
call
and
of
course
Captain
Stepp's
been
really
the
lead
for
APD
on
this
and
she's
a
great
resource
and
certainly
can
answer
any
questions
that
come
up
today.
We
heard
from
Jess
Foster
a
little
earlier.
Jess
also
has
played
an
instrumental
role
in
the
60-day
initiative.
C
She
has
really
helped
in
terms
of
a
lot
of
our
cleanliness
efforts
downtown
so
again,
I
want
to
recognize
Jess
and,
of
course,
she's
here
to
answer
questions
as
well
as
we've
discussed
many
times.
The
downtown
safety
initiative
is
a
multi-departmental
effort
that
provides
a
focus
on
safety
cleanliness,
as
well
as
assisting
individuals
that
are
in
need
in
our
Central
business
district.
So
it
truly
has
been
an
interdepartmental
approach
towards
our
downtown
initiative,
launched
on
Monday,
May
1st.
So
again,
we're
almost
through
the
60
days.
C
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Ben
and
good
morning,
Council
happy
to
provide
just
a
brief
update
here.
So
as
we
shared
at
your
last
meeting,
actions
taken
and
data
collected
during
the
downtown
safety
initiative
continue
to
be
tracked
on
the
project
page
as
well
as
sent
out
to
the
project
subscriber
list.
F
Every
two
weeks
the
interdepartmental
team
held
a
retreat
last
week
on
Thursday
June
22nd
to
review
data
review,
Lessons,
Learned
and
Forge
a
path
forward
to
maximize
service
delivery
for
supporting
a
safer,
downtown
and
safer
city
as
a
whole,
and
some
key
takeaways
of
the
retreat
were
that
the
proactive,
Public
Safety
presence
is
absolutely
appreciated
by
the
community
survey.
Results
did
indicate
and
we
still
need
to
go
through
these
a
bit
more,
but
that
people
are
feeling
like
downtown
is
cleaner.
F
B
Thanks
Jana
thanks
Ben,
so
it
sounds
like
it's
of
the
things
that
we've
been
kind
of
testing
out.
We
know
that
we're
going
to
continue
rolling
forward
with
Community,
responder
and
clearness,
and
that
y'all
are
doing
detailed,
thorough
work
between
your
retreat
last
week
and
this
Friday
to
be
able
to
share
with
the
whole
Community
I
know
that
takes
a
lot
of
work
while
delivering
a
new
initiative.
So
I
appreciate
that
I
mean
I'm
trying
to
think
I,
don't
know.
If
anybody
else
has
any
questions.
I
I
I
guess
we'll
just
wait
until
the
final
report
comes
out,
but
I
think
what's
most
pressing
of
my
heart
is
to
find
out
where
there
are
gaps
in
our
service,
a
Supportive,
Service
delivery
and
I
know
we
already.
We
probably
have
a
great
idea
of
what
those
gaps
are
and
where
we
need
to
be
flub
support.
But
I
think
this
would
just
kind
of
add
to
that
conversation.
B
I
see
Deborah.
J
Yes,
I
think
what
we
wanted
to
do
today
is
to
to
really
kind
of
communicate
to
you,
this
committee,
as
well
as
to
the
community,
we're
not
going
to
stop
anything
that
we
undertook
for
this
60-day
initiative
of
working
through
probably
some
of
the
details
about
the
frequency
of
the
service.
We
want
the
community
to
understand
that,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
presence,
we
will
continue
to
be
on
foot.
J
We
will
have
law
enforcement
on
bikes,
I
mean
we're
going
to
have
the
things
that
we
were
either
returning
to
or
initiating
new,
like
our
community
responder
program
that
is
going
to
continue.
You
know
the
frequency
of
how
often
we're
going
to
spray
the
sidewalks,
or
you
know
how
quickly
we
can
respond
to
removal
graffiti.
J
All
of
those
details
we
will
generally
have
to
at
the
end
of
the
week,
but
we
we're
still
kind
of
working
through
the
the
all
the
real
kind
of
technical
Service
delivery
details,
but
for
the
most
part,
everything
that
we've
done
in
those
60
days
will
continue
it's
just.
How
frequently
can
we
do
some
of
those
things
that
I
don't
know
if
it
was?
Are
things
that
we
should
have
been
doing
and
weren't
doing?
I?
J
Don't
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
that
I
think
what
we're
doing
is
finalizing
a
baseline
of
Service
delivery
for
downtown
this.
This
is
what
the
services
we're
going
to
deliver
and
lastly,
I
will
say
that
the
impact
from
a
broader
community
in
terms
of
crime-
we
we
didn't
see
any
spikes
anywhere
else
because
of
of
this
focused
attention
downtown
and
then.
Lastly,
we
are
also
doing
some
things
with
our
public
housing
communities.
Some
initiatives
that
we
will.
We
will
also
identify
that
we're
going
to
move
forward
with
as
well.
J
So
thank
you
all
and
thank
Dana
and
the
rest
of
the
team
appreciate
the
work
I.
I
Do
have
a
question
like
I
guess
everybody
has
a
different
idea
about
what
encompasses
downtown,
like
so
I'm
wondering
if,
after
we
get
all
the
data,
will
we
kind
of
reassess
our
footprint
or
focus
on
other
areas,
because
I
know
there's
a
large
outcry
from
West
Asheville
neighbors,
so
I'm
wondering
if
we
will
be
taking
a
look
at
expanding
just
a
bit.
F
I'll
say
that,
for
the
purpose
of
this
initiative,
we
focused
on
the
central
business
district
specifically,
so
when
we
refer
to
downtown
that's
what
we're
referring
to
moving
forward,
we
do
see
opportunities
to
kind
of
replicate,
this
type
of
focus,
work
and
we've
heard
similar
feedback
as
well,
specifically
about
about
West,
Asheville
and
I.
Don't
know
if
Deborah
wants
to
provide
just
any
anything
further
on.
On
that
note
in
terms
of
replica
replication
or
expansion,
yeah.
J
We
we
definitely
probably
with
outside
of
the
CBD
with
the
community
responder
initiative,
because
I
think
they
went
on
Tunnel
Road,
they
kind
of
went
where
the
need
is,
and
that's
essentially
what
we're
trying
to
do
we're
trying
to
go
where
the
need
is
and
and
with
the
downside
of
effort,
we
saw
the
numbers.
The
data
just
demonstrated
that
there
was
a
significant
need
for
some
additional
resources
to
respond
to
the
spike
in
crime
and
and
it
was
occurring
downtown.
We
hope
that
we're
not
just
chasing
crime.
We
hope
that
we
are
going.
J
We've
learned
a
little
sex
that
we
can
begin
to.
We
hope
begin
to
prevent
and
mitigate
versus
just
chasing
and
being
reacted.
We
want
to
be
more
proactive
and
I
really
do
think
some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
and
Shanika
you
mentioned
this
about
education,
I
think
this
is
helping
us
prepare
business
owners,
Property
Owners
residents
of
for
how
they
can
help
us
prevent
and
be
in
that
public
safety
space.
J
B
Thanks
Deborah,
this
also
makes
me
think
of
are
the
follow-up
from
our
Council
Retreat
that
we
had
earlier
this
month
and
how
we
started
to
dial
into
some
Public
Safety
goals
and
I.
Think
as
we
are
creating
our
work
plan
for
this
committee,
really
understanding
kind
of
what
are
the
policy
conversations,
I
think
Ben
you
might
have
mentioned,
or
maybe
it
was
you
Deborah
just
kind
of
like
here.
Is
our
service
delivery
Baseline?
What
does
that
mean
for
West
Asheville?
B
What
does
that
mean
for
downtown
as
new
programs
become
available
like
the
civilian
crash
responder?
What
does
that
do?
I?
Think
something
I.
Think
of
is
you
know
when
we're
looking
at
root
cause
of
crime?
B
B
Moving
on
to
our
fifth
and
last
item
of
our
agenda,
which
is
the
closeout
public
comment,
Katie,
do
we
have
any
public
comment
on
the
line
now?
Yes,.
M
My
name
is
Steve
halek
I
live
at
55,
South,
Market,
Street
right
right
across
from
Triangle
Park
first
before
I
commented
about
the
north
I
didn't
want
to
say
is
somebody
who
walks
downtown
every
morning
nearly
every
morning,
I
have
noticed
an
improvement
in
the
cleanliness
in
the
city,
just
sort
of
anecdotal,
but
as
as
Rick
was
alluding
to
and
the
noise
committee
was,
the
car
muffler
noises
going
up
and
down
Biltmore
airport
on
the
weekends
is
excessive.
In
fact.
We.
M
Finally,
we
just
had
somebody
I
think
he
starts
working
at
Barley's
who
has
an
illegal
Muffler
and
he
gets
off
work
at
3am
and
he
starts
his
car
and
he
wakes
up.
Everybody
in
our
building
I
have
found
a
possible
solution.
I
think.
Maybe
they
uncovered
this
in
in
Knoxville.
There's
a
an
item
that
wouldn't
take
more
police
presence.
It's
a
Astound
radar
as
it
worked
into
a
speed,
camera,
a
red
light
camera
and
that
might
be
a
way
of
possibly
enforcing
or
monitoring
getting
data.
M
And
then,
as
far
as
the
trash,
we
are
surrounded
by
essentially
seven
large
metallic
trash
dumpsters
that
are
picked
up
five
days
a
week
from
5
a.m,
to
9
A.M.
M
It
really
becomes
bothersome
after
a
while
and
again
they
will
probably
uncover
this
looking
at
other
areas,
but
in
Europe
most
all
the
trash
dumpsters
are
plastic
which
mitigates
the
sound.
They
also
don't
leak,
very
user
maintained
and
apparently
they're,
also
more
graffiti
resistant,
so
and
I
also
think
Hawaii.
We
saw
theirs
being
used
there,
so
that
would
be
a
possible
mitigation
to
decrease
the
level
of
the
noise.
E
Hey
y'all
I,
don't
know
if
you've
been
to
West
Asheville
recently,
but
there's
some
real
problems
over
here.
As
far
as
trash
and
and
vagrants
and
everything,
and
to
me
talking
about
noise
and
all
this
is
all
great
and
all,
but
it's
kind
of
like
talking
about
the
colors
of
the
curtains.
While
the
house
is
on
fire,
there's
some
serious
problems
over
here:
people
shooting
up
right
outside
of
businesses,
people
smoking
crack
right
outside
of
businesses,
people
defecate
them
and
pee
them
right
outside
of
businesses.
E
So
I
I
really
appreciate
any
kind
of
tips
you
have
as
a
business
owner
and
resident.
What
I
can
do
from
doing
these
things
right
outside
my
business,
it's
hard
to
run
a
business
when
you,
when
you
got
that
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
N
Hi
Council
I
was
just
calling
I
was
listening
today
and
I
just
I'm
a
West
Asheville
resident
I.
Really
don't
want
to
see
this.
N
This
initiative
moved
to
West
Asheville,
although
I
think
that
it's
already
happening
in
my
neighborhood
in
West
Asheville
I
was
just
walking
my
dog
during
the
beginning
of
this
meeting
and
there
are
police
currently
at
the
end
of
my
street,
harassing
somebody
who's
homeless,
I've
seen
the
Crackdown
downtown
I.
N
Don't
think
we
should
be
using
the
word
safety
when
we're
talking
about
people
who
were
literally
designed
to
to
oppress
poor
people
from
the
beginning
of
their
creation,
and
that's
what
we're
seeing
as
you
all
continue
to
see
this
influence
of
downtown
business
owners
who
call
in
who
have
the
primary
resources
to
call
into
things
like
this
I
am
deeply
concerned,
especially
after
watching
you
know,
I
think
police
are
cracking
down
in
South
Side.
N
We
saw
them
use
a
restrictive
breathing
tactic
with
Devin
Whitmire,
and
it
was
very
disturbing,
and
now
you
know
still
despite
the
fact
that
the
police
keep
claiming
they're
understaffed
they're
more
and
more
and
more
of
them.
Yesterday
I
saw
two
police
officers
with
a
this
dog
that
they
got
Cora
to
try
to
make
policing
look
cute
when
policing
is
actually
really
violent
to
our
community
and
I
am
concerned
about
safety.
I,
just
think
that
safety
happens
through
Community
Care
and
that
we
have
people
who
are
deeply
in
need
in
our
community
right
now.
N
There
is
a
huge
and
growing
well
disparity
here,
and
many
of
us
who
live
here
know
how
hard
it
is
to
keep
up
with
the
cost
of
living
in
the
fifth
most
expensive
rental
market
in
the
country,
the
most
expensive
in
North
Carolina,
and
we
can't
we
just
I've
said
it
so
many
times
that
we
can't
incarcerate
our
way
out
of
this
I,
don't
know
what
the
plan
is
to
just
lock
people
up
in
our
state's
deadliest
jail,
Buncombe,
County,
Detention
and
I.
N
You
know,
I
I
really
want
to
see
safety
improve
in
our
community,
but
to
me
that
doesn't
look
like
an
increased
police
presence.
There's
already
an
increasably
presence
in
my
community
and
I
would
encourage
us
to
look
at
other
methods,
because
we
I
mean
we
know
the
data.
Also
that
that
addressing
progressing
needs
is
what
actually
has
a
reduction
in
so-called
crime.
N
Incarceration
doesn't
work
when
we
have
the
most
incarceration
in
the
entire
world
in
the
United
States,
and
it
isn't
helping
so
yep
just
calling
to
let
you
all
know
that
again.
I
hope
you
have
a
good
day.
J
I
Have
something
to
bring
forward
to
the
Public
Safety
Committee?
We
received
an
email
not
too
long
ago
from
a
Community
member
who
was
a
vendor
at
the
Juneteenth
celebration,
where
there
was
a
public
shooting
the
individual
recommended
that
Council
look
into
mandating
supervision
of
any
event
goers
or
Festival
goers
under
the
age
of
18..
I
So
I
was
just
putting
that
out
here
to
the
committee.
I
believe
that
Brad
is
start
looking
into
some
ways
that
we
can
put
some
type
of
enforcement
in
place.
I'm,
not
sure
how
that
is
going
to
look
but
I
think
for
us
to
just
be
a
little
proactive
when
a
lot
of
people
are
gathered
in
one
place,
that
we
come
up
with,
say,
safety
mechanisms
so
that
families
can
have
a
good
time
and
not
be
in
fear,
foreign.
B
If
you
could
pass
that
email
along
I'm,
not
seeing
it
in
my
email,
so
I'd
love
to
know
kind
of
more
of
the
insights.
But
yeah
do
you
think
are
like
do
you
want
us
to
open
up
more
of
a
conversation
on
that
or
just
kind
of
want
to
put
it
on
the
radar,
because
I'd
love
to
learn
more
I
think
it
was
pretty
alarming
to
so
many
people
in
the
community
that
this
happened.
I.
I
Think
Brad
might
give
us
some
recommendations
on
how
to
look
at
supervision
for
underage
event,
goers
in
our
downtown
space
got.
D
Yeah
I'm,
actually
speaking
with
staff
I,
spoke
with
staff
yesterday
regarding
some
ideas
that
are
being
reviewed
about
whether
or
not
those
are
authorized
is
something
we
can
incorporate
into
our
process
and
we'll
be
sharing
those
with
Council.
Once
we
have
something
collected.
B
Great
and
I
mentioned
earlier
that
I'm
super
excited
about
this
civilian
traffic,
responder
program,
I'd,
love
to
know,
yeah
I'd
love
to
hear
more
about
how
you
know
how
we're
gonna
operationalize
that
or
what?
What
we're
thinking
about
now
that
we
have
that
enabling
legislation,
when
that,
when
staff,
has
more
information.
That
would
be
great
too.
B
Cool
all
right
with
that
I
think
we
are
adjourned
thanks,
everybody
for
being
here
and.