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B
Good
morning,
I'm
vice
mayor,
shanika
smith
and
chair
of
the
public
safety
committee.
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
our
november
17th
meeting.
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council
members
and
staff
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council
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councilwoman
sandra
kilbour,.
C
B
B
Move
along
the
agenda,
the
approval
of
the
minutes
gonna
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
F
B
C
All
right
good
morning,
this
is
elise
lewis
financial
business
manager
for
the
ashford
police
department.
We
are
looking
to
apply
for
additional
years
of
funding
for
three
of
our
existing
grants.
That
would
be
the
bike.
Safety
grant,
the
jag
grant
and
sorry
the
bulletproof
bus
grant.
So
basically,
our
takeaways
today
are
that
we're
requesting
to
apply
for
an
additional
year
of
funding
for
these
three
grants
and
they
support
apd
related
needs,
including
our
motorcycle
safety
program,
our
officer,
overtime,
pay
and
the
purchase
of
bulletproof
vests
for
sworn
personnel.
C
Our
bike,
safe
grant,
is
a
partnership
that
we
have
with
the
governor's
highway
safety
program
and
the
north
carolina
state
highway
patrol,
and
it's
aimed
at
reducing
motorcycle
fatalities.
We
use
these
grant
funds
to
promote
awareness
by
contacting
motorcycle
dealers,
clubs
and
associations
to
discuss
current
highway
safety
activities
and
attending
or
hosting
training
opportunities.
C
Our
jag
grant
the
edward
byrne
justice
assistant,
grant.
We
receive
an
annual
opportunity
to
apply
for
the
grant.
We've
been
determined
to
be
eligible
to
receive
76
873,
which
we
split
with
the
buncombe
county
sheriff's
office.
Our
portion
is
60
035
and
the
buncombe
county
sheriff's
office
portion
is
16
838..
C
And
this
is
100
funded
by
the
grant.
There's
no
matching
component
for
apd
the
bulletproof
vest
grant.
We
receive
an
annual
opportunity
to
apply
for
this
grant
as
well.
We've
been
awarded
preliminarily,
thirty
thousand
dollar,
thirty
thousand
eight
hundred
and
seventy
dollars,
which
requires
a
match
from
the
city
of
the
same
amount.
C
It
allows
us
to
buy
84
bulletproof
vests
over
the
two-year
life
of
the
grant.
The
30
870
is
already
included
in
our
adopted
budget,
and
it
should
be
noted
that
the
overall
fiscal
impact
to
the
city
is
reduced,
because
if
we
didn't
have
this
grant,
we
would
have
to
purchase
these
vests
at
the
full
cost.
C
Next
slide,
just
some
historical
perspective
of
the
bulletproof
vest
grant,
since
this
is
the
one
that
the
city
has
to
match,
funding
with
back
in
2018
that
two-year
grant
was
a
32
407.50
match
we
purchased
88,
vests,
50
of
which
were
for
expired
vests
on
current
officers,
there's
a
five
year
expiration
date
on
each
best,
and
we
outfitted
38
new
hires
with
their
bus.
C
C
29
of
those
officers
have
since
left
apd,
and
since
these
vests
are
uniquely
fitted
to
each
officer,
we
can't
reuse
any
of
the
vests
by
officers
that
have
left.
So
we
may
not
utilize
all
of
the
funds
of
this
grant.
It's
going
to
depend
on
how
many
new
hires
we
have,
so
if
we
don't
use
the
funds,
the
money
just
goes
back
into
the
general
fund
and
we
just
don't
take
the
money
for
the
grant
from
the
from
the
from
the
grant.
C
The
one
that's
pending
council
approval
at
this
point
is
a
thirty
thousand
eight
hundred
and
seventy
dollar
match
we're
slated
to
purchase
84
vests
during
that
two
year
period
and
in
that
period
63
of
the
vests
will
expire
during
the
grant
period,
and
then
the
remainder
will
be
used
to
outfit
new
officers.
C
So
again,
the
key
takeaways
next
slide
looking
to
apply
for
the
additional
year
of
funding
for
these
three
grants,
the
motorcycle
safety
program,
the
overtime
pay
and
the
bulletproof
vests,
and
only
one
of
them
requires
the
matching
funding.
That's
already
in
our
current
budget,
and
the
requested
action
next
slide
is
to
move
these
grants
forward
to
full
council
for
approval.
E
This
is
kim,
I
have
a
couple
questions.
So
can
we
go
back
to
the
jag
grant?
What
percentage
of
our
overtime
is
this
grant
covering.
D
D
G
That
that
has
been
very
difficult
to
determine,
just
because
of
the
levels
of
staffing
and
the
changes
that
we've
had
to
deal
with,
but
also
we
have
had
to
have
an
ever-changing
amount
of
overtime
as
it
relates
to
our
telecommunicators
and
the
merger
and
so
forth
with
the
county.
So
those
numbers
are
very
hard
to
predict
at
this
point.
What
our,
what
percentage
of
overtime
we'll
have
this
year?
It's
just
a
very
fluid
number
right.
Now
it
and
very
difficult
to
estimate.
E
Understood
so
because
we're
switching
the
use
for
this
grant,
how
will
the
resources
we
previously
covered
with
this
grant
fund
be
otherwise
funded.
G
Well,
last
time,
with
this
grant,
we
did
purchase
equipment.
Patrol
rifles
were
not
using
any
of
that
for
equipment
this
time
out
so
last
time
again
it
was.
It
was
more.
The
grant
funds
were
dedicated
towards
equipment
and
we're
not
doing
that
at
this
time
everything
is
going
towards
staffing
needs.
E
Okay
and
then
go
into
the
vests,
so
these
are
very
broad
numbers.
So
when
I
broke
it
down
by
vest
number
in
2018,
that
was
about
736
for
a
vest,
2019
breaks
down
around
776
per
vest,
and
I
understand
there's
like
other
costs,
like
maybe
shipping
or
taxes,
or
something
like
that
in
2020
that
broke
down
to
784
and
in
2021
it's
back
down
to
7.35.
E
Are
we
purchasing
a
different
kind
of
vest?
Is
there
a
reason
that
the
cost
is
seems
to
have
gone
down.
C
We
right
now
we
had
a
bid
put
out
that
they
were
awarded
the
vests
for
735
per
vest.
That's
where
you're
getting
that
number
from.
C
E
So
I
guess
my
question
is
around
the
quality
of
the
resource.
If
it
would
make
sense
to
me
that
when
we
have
inflation
and
the
cost
going
up
so
it
it
was
a
flag
to
me
that
the
cost
went
down,
and
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
we
weren't
purchasing
a
lower
quality
item.
E
C
C
E
Thank
you,
and
so
we
have
only
purchased
15
to
date.
So
that
leads
to
my
follow-up
question:
how
many
new
hires
do
we
have
so
far
in
this
fiscal
year
and
do
we
have
any
projections
for
staffing
for
the
remainder
of
the
fiscal
year.
D
E
Can
we
do
the
motions
separately
please
per
per
grant?
That's
my
request.
F
B
Forward
to
council,
and
now
the
I'm
gonna
call
it
the
jag
grant.
Is
there
a
motion
to
move
the
jag
grant
forward
for
council's
consideration,
so
moved
all
right
I'll?
Do
a
role
call
vote
for
approval,
councilman
kilgore
I
councilwoman
rony?
No
and
myself.
I
that
approved
that's
approval
and
that'll
move
forward
to
council
for
later
consideration
discussion
vice.
B
F
B
G
Thank
you
vice
mayor,
assisting
me
with
this
presentation,
as
always
as
deputy
chief
bomb
star
deputy
chief
yelt,
and
I
also
have
president
here
with
us.
Our
crime,
analyst
doug
ozier,
and
we.
What
we're
here
for
today
is
to
give
an
update
on
our
efforts
and
strategies
as
they
relate
to
traffic
enforcement.
G
G
G
What
this
graphic
illustrates
is
where
you
see
the
red
lines.
This
is
where
our
traffic
collision
areas
occur,
that
that's,
where
the
collisions
are,
the
shaded
areas
represent
where
our
enforcement
efforts
take
place.
So
from
this
graphic,
you
can
see
that
most
vehicle,
collisions
and
traffic
stops
occur
in
clusters
along
the
primary
traffic
corridors.
Sixty
percent
of
our
collisions
and
sixty
percent
of
our
traffic
stops.
G
G
The
remaining
20
percent
of
the
time
traffic
stops
are
conducted
in
areas
where
the
public
has
requested
accident
reduction
measures
or
near
violent
crime
areas.
Our
public
request
areas,
most
common
new
leicester,
highway,
kimberly
avenue,
charlotte
street
montford,
avenue
mcdowell
street.
That's
where
we
get
a
lot
of
public
requests
and
our
violent
crime
areas
where
there's
high
rates
of
victimization
are
environments,
livingston,
erskine
and
piscoview.
G
Again,
the
dark
shaded
area
is
our
violent.
Our
high
violent
crime,
high
victimization
areas
in
the
lighter
shaded
areas
are
where
we
get
our
requests
for
enforcement
for
increased
enforcement.
G
Next,
please,
from
this
graphic
you
can
see
from
2018
to
2021.
There
has
been
a
significant,
almost
54
percent
declining
in
traffic
stops
from
2019
to
2020
in
2021,
we're
seeing
even
more
a
greater
drop.
Of
course,
the
year
is
not
yet
over,
but
we
anticipate
again
being
down
even
from
2020,
so
just
a
significant
drop
in
the
number
of
overall
traffic
stops.
G
G
G
G
Next,
please
again
we're
looking
at
the
period
of
january
2018
through
october
21st,
and
these
are
traffic
stops
by
race.
So
you
can
see
those
numbers
are
fairly
consistent
from
2018
to
2021.
G
These
are
types
of
traffic
stops
this
that
isn't
necessarily
our
terminology.
This
is
terminology
that
comes
from
a
2020
academic
study
that
was
performed
by
unc
chapel
hill,
and
they
were
using
data
from
fayetteville
north
carolina.
So
they're,
not
our
terms
they're
the
terms
they
use,
but
just
to
illustrate
what
we're
doing
and
how
we
do
it
and
why
we
do
it
we'll
use
their
terminology
safety
stops.
These
include
violations
of
speed
limits,
stop
lights,
driving
while
impaired
and
you're,
basically
safe
movement
violations
or
stops
investigators.
G
Investigatory
stop
investigatory
stops
include
explicit
investigation,
unspecified
rationales,
that's
their
term,
not
ours
and
discretionary
seat
belt
enforcement.
Again,
according
to
the
study,
economic
stops
are
what
are
commonly
referred
to
as
regulatory
stops
include
not
carrying
insurance,
expired
motor
vehicle
registrations
and
equipment,
mail
functions.
B
G
These
are
what's
reported
to
the
state
bureau
of
investigation
and
they
call
them
just
other
motor
vehicle
violations,
which
include
no
driver's
license
suspended,
license
and
stops
where
the
purpose
was
only
listed
as
other
just
to
provide
context
on
that
there
have
been
over
26
000
of
those
stops
made
since
2018,
and
only
348
went,
would
go
into
that
category
of
other.
G
So
we're
not
exactly
sure
what
those
are
we
would
have
to
go
and
do
a
deep
dig
into
the
data
to
determine
why
those
stops
were
listed
as
other.
So
again,
it's
not
our
terminology,
it's
their
it's
how
they
defined
it.
I
don't
know
if
that
helps
or
not.
G
What
this
graphic
shows
is
that
apd
does
not
prioritize
economic
stops.
Apd
prioritizes
safety
stops.
When
you
look
at
the
safety
stops
and
the
investigatory
stops,
they
account
for
over
half
or
almost
double
the
amount
of
stops
that
are
would
fall
into
the
category
of
economics.
So
we
do
not
emphasize
regulatory
stops.
G
G
A
citation
is
issued
in
less
than
half
of
those
stops,
so
almost
50
percent
of
the
time
you
got
a
chance
of
getting
out
of
that
ticket
that
you're
only
going
to
be
issued
a
warning
as
opposed
to
receiving
a
citation-
and
I
think,
there's
a
big
misconception.
Sometimes
when
you
see
that
vehicle
pulled
over
at
the
side
of
the
road
that
a
citation
is
being
issued.
That
is
not
the
case
you're,
just
as
likely
to
get
a
warning
next,
please.
G
This
graphic
again
is
just
to
show
enforcement
action
on
those
economic
stops
and
just
the
racial
breakdown.
G
D
G
H
G
These
are
investigatory
stops
and
what
an
investigatory
stop
really
is
is
when
we
are
when
we
get
a
call
of
attempt
to
locate
a
beyond
the
lookout
notice,
a
vehicle
may
be
stolen
that
we're
looking
for
or
a
subject
with
an
outstanding
warrant.
That's
what
would
define
an
investigator's
investigatory
stop
and
you
can
see
the
racial
breakdown
in
in
this
particular
graphic.
G
I
Okay,
okay,
I'd
like
to
ask
a
question:
please
sac
captain
zach
how
okay,
when
you
I'm
looking
at
the
difference
here
in
the
invest,
investigation
stops
and-
and
it's
like
this
would
easily
fall
up
under
a
category
of
racial
profiling.
Would
you
not
say
if
looking
at
these
graphs.
G
You
know
again,
you
know
when
we
get
an
attempt
to
locate
an
attempt
to
locate
would
be.
We
would
get
a
911
call
looking
for
an
erratic
driver
that
that
is
something
that
would
called
in
to
us
looking
for
a
subject
for
a
warrant
and
they're
operating
a
motor
vehicle.
So
now
those,
I
would
disagree
that
that
falls
under
racial
profit.
G
We're
looking
for
someone
specifically
where
a
call
has
been
made
to
us,
but
also
we
may
be
conducting
another
sort
of
invest
investigation,
whether
it's
you
know
we
know
some
is
known
to
be
carrying
a
firearm
at
a
particular
time
and
now
we're
making
the
stop
while
that
individual
is
operating
a
motor
vehicle
again,
these
are
less
than
10
of
all
the
stops
that
we
do,
but
in
most
instances
we're
looking
for
a
specific
individual.
G
It
could
be
both
it
could
be.
Both
we
had
a
recent
number
of
stops
that
when
we
were,
you
know,
executing
search
warrants
and
so
forth
on
vehicles,
so
it
could
be
we're
being
called
got
already
got
an
ongoing
investigation
where
you
know
we're
going
to
try
and
stop
the
subject
while
they're
in
their
vehicle,
but
it
could
also
be
an
amber
alert
or
a
silver
alert,
or
you
know
again
the
look
we're
getting
a
call
of
an
erratic
driver
or
a
potentially
intoxicated
driver.
I
So
so
what
would
be
a
good
way
to
sort
of
separate
these
is?
Is
it
possible
to
separate
the
the
stats
between
the
ones
that
were
sort
of
you
get
that
you
got
an
alert
for
and
the
ones
that
were
just
sort
of
you
know
random?
Is
there
a
way
that
you
could
actually
do
two
categories?
That
would
give
us
more
of
a
idea
or
some
type
of
insight
to
what's
really
happening.
G
B
Yeah
and
I
think
it's
necessary
to
have
a
breakdown
there,
because
the
overarching
thing
when
it
comes
to
traffic
stops
is
that
racial
profiling
is
a
is
a
major
factor
there.
So
if
we
have
that
breakdown
on
when
you
are
doing
investigatory
traffic
stops,
if
there
are
responses,
our
responses
to
calls
made
or
our
responses
to
outstanding
warrants
or
some
other
ongoing
investigating
action
or
response,
I
think
that's
very
important
for
the
public
to
hear
and
know.
G
Again,
this
is
the
breakdown
of
what
are
considered
economic
traffic
stops
are
what
people
commonly
refer
to
as
regulatory
stops
and
again
the
the
racial
breakdown
of
drivers.
G
I
think
what's
important
here
and
something
we'll
get
into
shortly,
is
that
you
know
we
recognize
that
these
economic
stops
have
a
greater
impact
on
persons
who
are
experiencing
economic
hardship,
and
what
we're
going
to
be
looking
to
do
in
2022
is
to
initiate
a
program
to
mitigate
the
financial
impact,
but
still
improve
the
safety
on
our
highways
and-
and
we
will
get
into
that
in
the
next
couple
of
slides
here.
G
B
G
Yeah
they
again
that's
the
language
that
the
study
used
so
we're
just
you
know
we're
trying
to
go
in
accordance
with
how
they
they
provided
data
in
fayetteville
and
we're
trying
to
kind
of
match
their
terminology
and
that's
what
they
call
them.
I
I
think
most
people
refer
to
them
as
regulatory
stops.
G
G
G
G
G
This
is
what's
known
as
our
lights
on
initiative
and
we
look
to
kick
this
off
in
2022.
G
This
is
a
program
that
began
in
minneapolis.
I
learned
about
it
from
a
colleague
in
new
york
and
this
would
go
directly
towards
the
impact
on
those
regulatory
stops
or
economic
stops,
as
they're
known
in
this
particular
study
that
I
cited,
this
is
a
community-based
program
to
build
goodwill
between
law
enforcement
agencies
and
the
communities
that
they
serve
participating
agencies
and
that
will
be
the
apd
will
hand
out
vouchers.
Instead
of
tickets,
we
will
be
seeking
to
find
participating
office,
auto
service
providers
to
help
address
those
equipment
issues.
G
G
This
will
be
the
an
example
of
the
voucher
that
our
officers
will
be
issuing.
So
under
the
program
officers
on
traffic
stops,
will
we
have
a
lighting
defect
rather
than
sight
the
driver
we
will?
We
will
give
the
driver
a
voucher
in
order
to
get
the
lights
repaired
and
each
voucher
provides
up
to
250
dollars
to
the
operator
or
the
vehicle
to
get
their
equipment
fixed.
G
The
benefits
of
the
program,
obviously
safer
cars
on
the
road
and
hopefully
fewer
accidents
to
investigate
the
police
officer
will
be
offering
a
solution.
That
is
a
restorative
solution
rather
than
a
punitive
one.
Hopefully
this
will
result
in
better
community
relations
by
turning
a
traffic
stop
into
a
positive
experience.
G
Next,
please
benefits
to
our
community
same
thing:
safer
cars
on
the
road
benefit
us
all
by
preventing
tickets.
This
program
has
the
potential
to
stop
the
downward
spiral
affecting
employment
and
financial
stability.
If
you
go
on
to
that
link,
you
can
see
some
testimonials
from
people
who've
been
impacted
by
the
program
and
what
a
difference
it
made
in
their
lives
to
receive
and
how
they
felt
when
an
officer
provided
the
solution,
rather
than
just
punitive
action
that
it
goes
over
very
well
in
the
community
and
again,
especially
with
people
who
are
dealing
with
financial
hardship.
G
The
benefit
to
service,
auto
service
providers
and
donors,
it's
just
an
opportunity
for
a
business
to
give
back
to
their
neighborhood
move
in
to
bring
new
business
to
the
provider
and
also
just
the
satisfaction
that
comes
from
making
an
impact
in
helping
out
persons
in
your
neighborhood
who
need
it.
Most
and
statistics
show
that
one
in
three
voucher
recipients
has
a
household
income
less
than
thirty
thousand
dollars.
So
it's
just
a
way
to
give
back
for
auto
service
providers
to
give
back
to
the
community.
I
Yes,
this
is
sandra
and
zach.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
I
Okay,
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
know
on
slide
10,
when
you
talked
it
was
your
speaking
of
the
type
of
traffic
stops
slide
10,
and
you
said
when
we
see
this
a
lot
of
times,
only
less
than
half
of
them
are
actually
getting
citations.
You
know
most
time
they
are
warnings
and
I'm
just
wondering
what
type
of
as
far
as
training
for
the
police,
how
they
decide
who
gets
a
ticket
and
who
gets
a
citation
and
the
reason
I
ask
that
is
because
I
know
for
myself.
I
I
got
stopped
once
here
in
asheville
and
and
basically
I
mean
I
it
was.
I
was
wrong,
but
the
thing
is
he
gave
me
a
hefty
ticket,
for
I
would.
I
was
delayed
in
putting
on
my
seatbelt
and-
and
I
sort
of
gave
him
my
reason
why
I
was
delayed,
because
I
was
actually
in
in
position
of
putting
it
on
and
he
said
that
he
took
that
personally
and
you
know
it's
something
or
whatever,
but
anyway
make
long
story
short.
I
It
gave
me
a
hefty
ticket
and
to
me
I
felt
that,
because
of
my
situation
that
could
have
easily
resulted
in
a
that,
and
then
it
should,
you
know,
should
have
been
more
or
less
like
a.
I
What
do
you
call
a
warning
as
opposed
to
a
ticket,
so
I'm
just
wondering
how
they
decide,
because,
basically,
by
having
these
options
with
no
type
of
guidelines,
it
still
could
be
more
or
less
a
racial
thing
easily
looked
at
as
a
racial
thing,
especially
if
you
look
at
the
percentage
of
people
that
are
ticketed
and
you
broke
it
down
to
how
many
of
the
ones
that
are
ticketed.
What
is
the
percentage
that
were
minorities
and
what
was
the
percentage?
You
know.
That
was
why.
G
G
Human
nature
are
more
lenient
than
others.
Some
officers,
may
you
know
again
we're
talking
about
things
like
speeding.
It
could
be
how
far
over
the
speed
limit.
You
are,
whether
you're
near
a
school
zone,
whether
there
was
some
other
reckless
activity
that
the
officer
observed
as
well
and
and
maybe
only
wrote
one
ticket
as
opposed
to
two
or
three
sometimes
you'll
have
a
situation
where
you
know
somebody
went
through
a
red
light,
but
also
had
an
equipment
violation.
G
So
I
know
personally,
I
said:
hey
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
break
on
the
red
light,
but
I'm
going
to
write
you
up
for
the
taillight,
so
there's
just
a
lot
of
latitude
for
the
officer,
I
think
more
often
than
not
most
officers
on
a
seat
belt
violation.
G
You
know
it's
probably
split.
Some
will
give
a
warning
some
won't
it's.
It's
really
dependent
in
large
degree
on
the
officer's
discretion.
H
So
during
those
times,
it's
probably
a
little
bit
less
likely
that
the
person
gets
a
warning
for
that
that
specific,
targeted
violation
versus
getting
an
enforcement
action
and
one
of
the
the
realities
of
human
behavior
is
that
most
people
do
have,
at
least
in
their
own
mind,
a
valid
justification
for
whatever
it
was.
They
were
doing
at
that
moment,
that
was
the
law,
whether
it's
speeding
but
they've
got
a
good
reason
in
their
mind.
I
Okay
and
I
have
one
more
question:
okay,
I
was
just
wondering
please
zach.
I
I
noticed
that
there
was
a
large
reduction,
like
you
said,
in
actual
tickets
and
citations
that
were
written
so
that
basically
results
in
less
revenue
for
the
police
department.
I
was
just
wondering
how
has
that
affected
your
operating
budget,
or
does
it
not
or
how?
How
exactly
does
that
work?
I
I
and
the
reason
I
ask
that,
because
you
know
people
always
say
you
know
during
christmas
time,
police
monday,
you
know
they
try
to
get
their
bonuses
in
or
whatever
you
know,
they
write
more
tickets
and
I'm
just
wondering
do
you
have
those
type
of
programs
that
are
in
effect
and
how
does
that
work?
It
affects
your
budget.
G
Absolutely
not
the
number
of
citations
issued
has
nothing
to
do
with
with
the
police
budget.
We
don't
fund
the
police
department
by
the
number
of
citations
issued.
So
to
answer
your
question,
there
is
no
effect
on
the
apd
budget,
whether
we
write
10
000
tickets
or
whether
we
write
100
tickets
does
it
affect.
Does
the
revenue
affect
the
city?
Yes,
of
course
it
does,
but
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
police
department
budget.
So.
G
We
have,
we
have
absolutely
no
quotas
whatsoever.
Officers
are
not
evaluated
on
their
productivity
as
it
relates
to
vehicle
enforcement.
Obviously,
if
we
we
have
an
officer
who's
out,
there
writing
no
tickets,
that's
an
issue,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
we
don't
want
off
officers
that
being
their
sole
activity.
G
So
it's
a
balancing
act
of
what
we
what
our
expectations
are,
but
there
is
no
magic
number
that
you
have
to
reach
zero's,
not
the
right
number,
but
a
hundred
percent
of
your
activity
related
to
traffic
enforcement
unless
you're
in
a
traffic
enforcement
unit,
that's
not
good
either.
E
This
is
kim,
I
have
a
question
in
general
about
slides
11-14,
but
if
we
could
go
ahead
and
move
to
14
I'll
reference
it
from
here
is
it
possible
when
we're
looking
at
the
type
of
stops
to
get
a
breakdown
on
the
drivers
that
are
local
to
asheville
local,
to
buncombe,
county
from
the
state
of
north
carolina
and
from
out
of
state.
G
Again,
that's
that's
a
deeper
dive
into
the
data
and
I
think
you
know
oftentimes.
You
know
we
get
asked
about
the
citations
or
the
stops
as
they
relate
to
population
of
the
community
and
that's
an
incorrect
measure.
We
have
a
very
large
commuter
population.
We
have
a
very
large
tourist
population
that
really
drives
you
know.
So,
while
we
we
may
have
90
000,
plus
residents,
we're
looking
at
an
extra
60
to
70
000
drivers
daily
who
are
coming
from
other
areas.
G
Have
we
pulled
all
that
out
to
see
where
they're
all
coming
from?
No
we
haven't,
but
we
can.
Certainly
you
know,
especially
when
we're
talking
about.
I
mean
you're
talking
about
thousands
of
traffic,
stops
that
we'd
be
looking
at.
I
I
think
we
could
it's
it's
much
easier
to
do
that
with
the
investigatory
stops.
G
Where
are
where
are
people
coming
from,
but
that
that's
a
heavy
heavy
lift
for
our
analysts
to
just
try
and
parse
that
data
out
and
then,
of
course,
you
have
to
assume
that
the
driver's
license
information
is
correct
and
we
know
that's
not
always
the
case.
Either
people
don't
renew
people,
don't
notify
the
dmv.
When
they
change
change
addresses,
so
I
think
that
data
might
be
corrupted
just
a
bit
as
well.
G
E
If
we
had
a
look
at
how
many
folks
were
local
to
the
city,
the
county,
north
carolina
and
beyond,
I'm
asking
this
because
I'm
hearing
a
common
refrain
being
that
we
are
a
tourism
industry.
The
refrain
is
come
on
vacation
leave
on
probation,
and
so
I
would
like
to
know
like
how
many
folks
are
being
stopped
that
are
visiting
because
their
license
plate
is
from
out
of
town.
E
That
is
another
concern
that
I
hear
so
it
would
help
if
we
are
looking
at
the
narrative
of
whether
or
not
it's
related
to
our
local
population
or
a
larger
group.
G
Not
writing
a
whole
lot
of
tickets,
so
traffic
enforcement
and
citations
issued
is
down
60
some
odd
percent.
I
mean
I
can't
account
for
urban
myth.
I
can
only
provide
the
facts
and
very
few
drivers
if
we
look
at
hundreds
of
thousands
of
people
coming
through
asheville
on
a
daily
basis
and
as
of
november
of
2021,
only
1300
citations
have
been
issued
last
year,
only
2200
citations
being
issued.
E
So
in
future
presentations,
if
we
are
given
a
traffic
stops
simply
by
race,
but
not
with
the
information
that
we
do
have
when
we
collect
information
about
the
address
that
is
available.
I'll,
probably
be
asking
the
same
question.
B
B
Yeah,
I
kind
of
feel
that
even
when
we
were
talking
about
the
investigatory
stops,
I
know
we're
not
making
as
many
stops
and
they
only
reflect
the
data
today
that
you're
sharing
only
reflect
only
10
of
whatever
number
you
said.
I
think
the
here
and
now
that
makes
sense
not
to
have
that
breakdown.
But
I
think
what
this
committee
is
doing.
We're
asking
questions
so
that
we
can
have
data
for
discussion
even
in
the
future,
so.
G
Yeah
I
mean
again
we
can.
We
can
try
and
break
some
of
this
this
data
down
further.
We
will
attempt
to
do
that,
but
you
know
again,
you
know
these.
These
stops
are
occurring
in
areas
where
there
are
high
levels
of
victimization,
and
you
know
that's
where
we
operate
and
we
can.
We
can
change
the
number
by
operating
in
areas
where
there's
no
levels
of
victimization
that'll
change
the
number
two.
So
I
I
think
we
have
to
be
very
careful
on
how
we
scrutinize
some
of
this
activity.
G
Our
officers
are
out
there
and
you've
seen
from
the
the
press
releases
that
we've
issued
the
gun,
arrest,
the
amount
of
fentanyl
being
taken
off
the
streets.
Those
are
many
of
those
arrests
were
made
during
these
investigatory
stops
again
people
with
warrants
people
under
investigation,
so
you
know
I
I
would
just
you
know
we
will.
G
We
don't
provide
a
heavy
officer
presence
in
places
like
biltmore
park
and
beaver
lake.
You
know
we
are
where
the
collisions
are.
We
are
aware:
there's
high
rates
of
victimization
and
the
demographics
in
those
particular
areas
are
far
different
than
what
the
city
population
is,
even
if
you
include
the
tourist
population
and
the
commuter
population.
G
So
you
know
the
numbers
can
be
looked
at
in
a
variety
of
ways
and
while
there
may
be
some
disparity
there
with
regarding
race
and
population,
there's
disparity
in
our
victim
population
as
well,
and
all
these
numbers
have
to
be
taken
into
account.
We
just
can't
pick
out
one
particular
number
and
say
you
know
well,
why
is
this
one?
So
the
population
varies
where
we
operate.
G
The
most
varies
throughout
the
city
and
our
offender
and
victim
population
has
to
be
taken
into
account.
So
it's,
it
really
is
a
meshing
of
a
lot
of
different
data,
and
you
know
selecting
or
cherry
picking
certain
data
and
saying.
Why
is
this
so
it
always
requires
a
bigger
explanation
and
we'll
do
our
best
vice
mayor
to
get
you
as
much
data
as
we
possibly
can.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
chief
zach.
Thank
you
all
right.
We
moved
to
public
comment.
Is
there
anyone
in
speaker
queue.
J
Hi
folks
good
afternoon,
I
believe
we
need
a
police
force
whose
might
deters
crime
in
the
area.
I
believe
that
this
deterrence
and
might
will
result
from
law
enforcement.
J
J
J
Let
the
police
capture
verbal
consent
on
their
body
cams
and
not
endanger
themselves
through
distraction
of
collecting
written
consent
present
the
community.
With
your
plan
for
bringing
police
officers
back
to
asheville,
we
should
see
a
monthly
chart
from
the
city
manager
showing
number
of
allocated
positions,
number
of
vacant
positions,
number
of
new
terminations
in
the
current
month,
number
of
new
hires
or
transfers
in
for
this
month,
number
of
recruits
in
training
projected
graduations
from
training
and
introduction
to
the
force.
J
J
B
A
So
it
would
be
december
28th,
but
I
think
everyone
will
probably
want
to
reschedule
I'll
see.
Y'all.
B
In
2022.,
if
we
can't
do
that,
if
it's
okay
with
the
committee,
if
nothing
comes
up,
that's
pressing,
I
mean
our
next
meetings
will
have
cover
information
well
forthcoming
meetings,
we'll
have
information
on
the
written
consent,
follow-up
crime
data
abandoned
vehicle
ordinance,
those
are
upcoming.
But
if
the
committee
would
agree
be
nice
to
see
you
all
the
new
year.
F
We
we
appreciate
that,
and
we
will
provide
you
all
with
information
about
that
specific
date
in
january,
as
well
as
which
items
that
you
have
have
listed
will
be
on
the
january
agenda,
because
I
don't
think
that
we
want
to
have
all
of
these
on
the
january
agenda.
Yeah.
B
All
right,
you
all
I'll,
see
you
all.
In
the
new
year,
happy
holidays,
holidays.