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B
Good
morning,
I'm
vice
mayor
shanika
smith
and
the
chair
of
public
safety
committee.
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
our
september
28th
meeting.
All
council,
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
We
are
streaming,
live
on
the
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website.
B
And
entering
the
call
9477
for
today's
meeting,
we
have
the
option
for
people
to
call
in
and
comment
live
during
the
meeting
to
call
in
and
comment
live
use.
The
same
number,
eight,
five:
five,
nine,
two:
five,
two:
eight
zero
one
meeting
code,
nine,
four,
seven:
seven,
your
phone
will
be
put
on
mute
and
you'll
hear
them.
The
meeting
live
at
this
point.
Call
us
we're
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start
three
pressing
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three
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call
us
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listen,
live
and
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speaker
q.
B
As
stated
on
the
agenda,
public
comment
will
now
be
heard
at
the
beginning
and
end
of
the
public
safety
meeting.
Callers
may
comment
only
once
during
these
general
public
comment
sessions
enter
either
during
the
beginning
or
the
end
of
the
comment
period.
But
not
both
callers
will
have
three
minutes
each
we'll
be
taking
comment,
public
comment
after
council
and
staff
instructions.
B
If
you'd
like
to
make
a
comment,
please
join
the
speaker,
q
now
by
pressing
star
three,
if
you're,
watching
a
meeting
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live
stream,
while
you're
listening
listening
to
the
meeting
by
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please
make
sure
you
turn
down
your
volume
on
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device
before
speaking
now
I'll
go
through
and
introduce
all
our
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating.
Virtually
we
have
a
full
house
on
today.
Just
give
a
quick
hello
when
I
call
your
name
councilwoman
sandra
kilgore,.
B
Hello
to
you,
division
chief
for
emergency
management,
jeremy,
knighton.
D
She
will
be
on
here
in
just
a
few
minutes.
I
think
she's
on
google
from
another
meeting
taylor
jones.
I
am
the
emergency
services
director
for
buncombe
county.
B
Taylor-
and
I
believe
claire
hubbard-
is
here:
she's
the
emergency
service
lead
paramedic
good
morning.
B
B
Okay,
now
we
just
move
on
to
the
first
agenda
agenda
item.
Can
I
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
last
month.
B
All
right
thanks
all
right
when
I
call
your
name,
please
say
aye,
to
approve
the
minutes:
councilwoman
kilgore
I
councilwoman
rony,
I
and
myself.
I,
the
minutes
have
been
approved
next
on
our
agenda.
We
have
the
emergency
declaration
update
and
this
was
issued
after
tropical
storm
fred.
The
flooding
that
happened
afterward,
I
think
chief
knight,
is
going
to
present
that
item
to
for
us.
Thank
you.
E
As
many
of
you
know
and
remember,
on
august
18th,
we
were
impacted
here
locally
in
west
north
carolina
by
remnants
of
tropical
storm
fred
that
brought
about
some
several
inches
of
rain
flooding
and
and
damage
associated
with
that
storm.
We
have
several
updates
today.
Talking
about
the
assistance
that's
been
granted
to
us
through
the
process.
E
So
in
order
we
hear
federal
declaration
a
lot
of
terms
being
passed
around
the
media,
but
what
does
that
mean
for
us
in
the
city
of
asheville?
First
of
all,
what
it
means
is:
there's
a
couple
of
areas
of
assistance
that
have
been
offered
up
and
been
granted.
So
on
august
27th
governor
cooper
asked
for
a
federal
declaration,
and
it
was
it
was
granted
on
september,
8th
and
on
september
8th.
What
was
in,
that
federal
direct
declaration
was,
and
the
first
part
was
individual
assistance,
which
was
grants
for
temporary
housing
home
repair.
E
This
allowed
individuals
to
access
assistance
for
recovery,
and
this
began
the
process
for
recovery.
As
we
all
know,
the
response
phase
of
this
lasted
a
a
couple
of
days
for
some
folks
in
a
couple
of
weeks
for
others,
but
recovery
is
what's
going
to
take
the
longest
amount
of
time,
so
the
first
part,
the
first
bucket
of
money,
was
individual
assistance
next
slide.
E
The
second
part
of
money
was
an
assistance,
was
public
assistance,
and
this
is
what
helped
local
governments
some
of
the
nonprofits
recover
in
that
debris.
Removal
emergency
protective
measures
such
as
the
the
money
or
the
things
that
were
spent
during
the
response
to
help
us
repair
and
replace
water
control
facilities,
bring
our
bridges
building
and
equipment
back
before
storm.
Typically,
we
have
storms
of
this
magnitude.
E
We
see
the
flooding
and
the
flooding
and
wind
damage
results
and
a
lot
of
damage
to
not
only
our
buildings
and
infrastructure,
but
some
of
the
parks
and
rec
facilities
and
others.
So
this
declaration,
because
it
was
individually
assistance
and
public
assistance
offered
assistance
for
for
the
individuals
as
well
as
the
local
governments,
next
slide.
E
So
in
this
this
is
definitely
a
team
approach,
so
we
are
in
close
coordination
with
our
partners
in
buncombe
county.
As
well
as
north
carolina
emergency
management,
we
have
been
assigned
to
grant
managers
from
north
carolina
emergency
management,
who
are
in
town
and
directly
assisting
us
with
all
processing
of
our
applications
and
making
sure
that
the
projects
that
we
create
inside
of
the
different
portals
are
complete.
E
We've
met
all
the
timelines
so
far,
and
as
well
as
we're
working
directly
with
fema,
we
have
representation
from
fema
here
in
western
north
carolina
as
well
as
in
the
city
of
asheville,
and
as
of
today,
there
is
a
document
drop
off
that
has
been
opened
up
at
59
woodfin
place
here
in
downtown
for
folks
to
drop
off
documents
related
to
the
damage,
get
assistance
with
registration
and
other
other
needs
that
go
along
with
recovering
from
the
remnants
of
tropical
storm.
Fred
next
slide,
please.
So.
The
the
other
question
is
where
to
go
for
help.
E
So
some
of
the
things
we
have
set
up
with
our
assistance
from
our
partners
with
fema
and
north
carolina
emergency
management,
the
the
big
the
best
three
ways.
Of
course,
there's
online
there's
there's
an
app
that
you
can
download
and
as
well
as
a
phone
number
to
call
to
access
that
help.
They
can
direct
you
to
resources.
There
are
other
places
that
are
opened
up.
E
Fema
has
a
joint
field
office
established
in
haywood
county,
as
that
was
kind
of
the
epicenter
of
the
of
the
damage
and
the
impact
that
we
felt
from
tropical
storm
fred
and
then
for
the
small
businesses.
Definitely
there
is
a
small
business
recovery
center,
that's
established
at
1465,
sandhill
road
and
the
hours
are
on
the
slide.
E
The
document
drop-off
center.
Those
hours
are
from
nine
to
five
as
well
as
and
those
will,
I
think,
close
on
september,
the
30th
so
they're
open
now
for
folks
to
walk
in
and
get
help
with
any
of
those
and
and
get
directed
on
how
to
access
help
so
that
we
can
get
our
our
residents
recovered
and
as
well
as
our
infrastructure,
and
that
is
all
I
have
and
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
H
I
am
concerned
that
the
flooding
from
this
storm
may
be
happening
more
often
with
the
more
often
and
severe
rain
events
that
we're
having
here
in
the
mountains
of
western
north
carolina.
So
maybe
not
for
this
moment,
but
for
a
future
agenda.
We
could
look
at
what
we
have
learned
through
this
recovery
process
and
what
to
expect
moving
forward.
Identifying
gaps
is
a
major
concern,
but
thank
you.
B
H
A
It
looks
like
someone
did
join
a
couple
minutes
ago.
I
can
bring
them
in
if
the
vice
mayor
wants.
B
Well,
if
they
weren't
there
at
the
beginning,
let's
just
let
them
wait
until
the
end,
if
they
can.
B
A
A
A
Okay,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
the
my
site
was
unmuted,
but
I
don't
know
why
the
audio
is
not
coming
through
on
the
screen.
I
can
try
one
more
time
if
you
want
sure.
J
Okay,
yeah
I'll
start
here
so
yeah
good
afternoon,
council
members,
special
smith.
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
for
being
here
and
the
opportunity
to
present
again
for
those
of
you
that
I
haven't
met
yet
my
name
is
claire
hubbard
and
I
work
under
county
ems
as
the
program
manager
for
the
community
paramedic
program,
and
I'm
just
here
to
give
a
brief,
high-level
overview
of
our
program
so
far
and
open
up
the
floor
for
some
questions
afterwards.
J
So
first
off,
I
think
probably
most
people
at
this
point
have
heard
post
overdose
response
team
more
than
the
actual
terminology
community
paramedic
program,
and
that's
because
so
far,
if
you'll
go
to
the
next
slide,.
J
Yeah
so
far,
our
program
has
existed
as
a
post
overdose
response
team,
and
this
project
was
sort
of
born
out
of
a
need
to
address
the
opioid
crisis,
particularly
after
hours
and
on
weekends.
J
So
our
initial
funding
sort
of
tied
us
directly
to
anything
opioid
related
and,
as
we
were
out
in
the
community,
our
pilot
has
been
about
a
year
long.
At
this
point,
as
we've
been
out
in
the
community,
we've
experienced
a
lot
of
overlap
with
the
opioid
crisis
and
other
co-occurring
issues
like
homelessness
and
behavioral
health.
J
And
just
to
give
a
really
basic
overview
of
what
that
post
overdose
response.
Team
looks
like
right
now:
it
is
myself
a
program
manager
and
then
it
is
a
peer
support
person
who
manages
all
of
our
wraparound
services
and
has
lived
experience
and
a
licensed
substance,
use
counselor
and
three
paramedics,
which
is
equivalent
to
one
paramedic
per
shift.
So
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
one
paramedic
available.
J
24
7.,
employing
three
full-time
people
gives
us
the
capacity
to
have
one
person
on
shift
24
7,
seven
days
a
week
so
and
then
monday.
Through
friday.
We
have
times
that
our
clinician
comes
on
board
and
our
peer
support
person
comes
on
board
with
us
to
do
wrap-around
services
for
people
that
have
overdosed.
So
on
a
very
simple
level.
What
that
looks
like
is
our
team
responds
in
lifetime
to
an
overdose
and
we
arrive
on
scene.
J
We
often
relieve
other
public
safety
from
that
scene
to
go
back
in
service
and
we
take
over
care
of
that
patient.
Typically,
people
do
not
want
to
be
transported
to
the
hospital
and
that's
our
experience.
So
what
we're
able
to
do
with
more
time
and
more
resources
on
scene
with
that
person
is
to
offer
them
anything
from
medication
assistant
treatment
to
rehab,
to
alternatives,
we're
not
an
abstinence-based
program.
J
J
Yeah
and
our
goals
at
this
point
as
a
pilot
are
simply
to
reduce
opioid
deaths.
We've
developed
some
other
goals
along
the
way
in
the
past
year,
as
we've
been
on
the
community
and
those
goals
have
sort
of
developed
from
the
ground
up.
J
Obviously,
we'd
also
like
to
reduce
the
burden
of
the
opioid
overdose
and
infectious
disease
epidemics
to
the
local
medical
system.
That's
a
fancy
way
of
saying
keep
people
out
of
the
hospital
prevent
hospital
readmissions
for
substance,
misuse,
related
illnesses
and
then
also
to
reduce
the
burden
on
the
9-1-1
system
so
again
to
kind
of
bring
it
full
circle.
A
lot
of
people
are
utilizing
the
9-1-1
system
for
their
their
primary
medical
care
specifically,
and
especially
around
substance
use.
J
Again,
we
began
as
a
post-evidence
response
team
and
we
are
still
that
is
our
priority
as
that's
where
we
how
we
report
to
our
grant
from
dogwood
and
how
we
exist.
Currently,
but
again,
once
we
got
on
the
ground,
this
sort
of
evolved
quickly
into
a
larger
project
out
of
necessity,
and
also
to
make
the
best
use
of
our
our
resources
and
our
presence
on
the
ground
with
our
with
our
stakeholders
and
partners.
J
So
we've
sort
of
in
our
in
downtime
we've
begun
trying
to
do
stuff
like
basic
wound
care
and
basic
medical
evaluations
after
hours
for
some
of
the
shelters
and
trying
to
just
provide
support
to
the
other
entities
that
are
out
dealing
with
this
stuff
after
hours
as
well.
A
J
One
so
what
you're
looking
at
here
are
based
our
overdose
calls
specifically-
and
I
add
I
add
the
I
added
the
addendum-
that
the
substance
misused
calls
often
overlap,
because
they
do
oftentimes
it's
hard
to
delineate
between
a
call
involving
just
homelessness,
just
behavioral
health
or
just
substance
misuse,
so
that
number
at
the
top
is,
is
the
amount
of
times
that
we've
just
been
called
through
the
911
dispatch
system,
and
we
also
get
calls
on
our
phone
that
are
non-emergent
that
are
more
related
to
community
outreach
or
other
stakeholders
needing
support.
J
It's
been
a
very
clearly
substance,
use
related
issue,
we've
been
able
to
connect
with
them
and
we've
stayed
connected
to
them
and
we're
coming
up
on
a
year
for
our
program,
and
so
we've
done
one
month
three
months
six
months
and
we
will
do
one
year
check-ins
with
those
500
patients
and
we
started
keeping
track
of
the
amount
of
people
that
define
themselves
as
homeless
out
of
our
patients,
we're
doing
a
better
job
now
of
keeping
track
of
what
that
actually
means
or
looks
like
for
that
person.
J
So
how
long
the
person
has
been
in
buncombe
county
if
they
define
themselves
as
homeless
or
just
transient
or
in
transition
if
they
are
approaching
or
in
danger
of
becoming
unhoused,
and
then
that
last
number
is
just
the
amount
of
narcan
kids
that
we've
handed
out
to
family
members,
people
on
scene
of
an
overdose
friends,
folks
that
have
called
our
phone
and
asked
for
narcan
ahead
of
time.
Those
are
not
narcan
kids
administered
on
scene
to
a
person,
who's
overdosed.
J
Those
are
supplemental,
narcan,
distribute
distribution
and
obviously
we're
looking
to
enhance
our
data
collection
again
to
sort
of
keep
track
of
people
from
other
counties
and
how
long
people
have
been
here
and
how
many
times
one
person,
let's
say,
has
called
9-1-1
since
they've
been
here.
J
Yeah-
and
this
is
just
sort
of
to
to
highlight
that
we
we
didn't
create
this
project
to
overlap,
efforts
or
reinvent
the
wheel.
We
saw
that
there
were
a
lot
of
opioid-related
efforts
happening
in
town,
a
lot
of
really
wonderful
things
already
going
on
and
that
there
was
just
a
huge
gap
in
after-hour
care
in
the
ability
of
these
other
entities
to
be
able
to
clear
people
medically
other
public
safety
entities
getting
held
up
on
some
of
the
wraparound
side
of
things.
A
Vice
mayor,
I'm
gonna
try
one
more
time
to
play
the
video
we
think
we
might
know
the
issue.
Hopefully,
okay,.
L
We
all
understand
how
9-1-1
works
if
you're
having
an
emergency
situation
if
you're
injured
or
if
you
see
someone
in
trouble,
you
call
9-1-1
fire.
Ems
and
law
enforcement
are
dispatched
and
arrive
as
quickly
as
possible
to
offer
aid.
However,
in
some
situations,
the
emergency
aid
needed
involves
more
long-term
assistance.
M
L
J
Paramedic
is
staffed,
24
7
and
that
paramedic
is
able
to
co-respond
with
9-1-1
in
real
time
and
meet
the
patient
and
ems
on
scene.
We
then
have
the
go-ahead
to
have
our
peer
support
person,
contact
that
patient
within
72
hours
to
see
where
the
patient
is
at
if
they
want
help
and
if
they
do
want
help
to
plug
them
into
resources,
they
may
not
have
access
to.
L
G
Of
the
community
paramedic
program
initially
is
focused
around
opioid
response,
responding
to
individuals
who
are
overdosed
on
opioids
or
suffering
from
substance
abuse
disorder
and
providing
those
connections
to
resources
in
a
timely
manner
within
72
hours.
As
we
continue
to
grow
this
program
out,
we
want
to
expand
into
mental
health.
Chronic
homelessness
under
fed
to
reach.
Those
needs
is
also
often
the
crossover
with
the
substance
abuse
disorder
in
those
those
populations.
So.
N
We
need
our
community
partners
for
mental
health
services,
housing
and
those
are
the
two
main
things.
But
after
that,
it's
like
everything,
right,
food,
transportation,
medical
care
and
that's
something
that
a
lot
of
times
in
behavioral
health.
We
don't
look
at
you
know
more
and
more
we're
moving
towards
integrated
health
care
and
so
putting
the
body
and
mind
together.
B
C
Well,
I
would
like
to
ask
one
question
on
claire
claire:
what
would
you
say
percentage?
I
know
you
were
saying
something
about
you
offer
on
them
services.
You
know
to
assist
them
to
help
them
or
whatever.
What
would
you
say,
the
percentage
of
those
people
that
take
advantage
of
some
of
the
rehab
programs
that
you
have
that
they're
that
you
service.
J
Thanks,
I
would
say
that
that
not
to
avoid
an
answer,
but
at
this
point
it's
still
hard
to
determine
because
we're
still
defining
compliance
with
a
program
by
abstinence
or
sobriety,
and
so,
as
we
kind
of
reinvent
what
success
looks
like
or
what
compliancy
looks
like.
I
would
say
that
we
we
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
success
with
staying
in
touch
with
our
patients
once
we
develop
a
relationship
with
them,
even
if
they
don't
stay
in
their
rehab
program.
J
We
have
the
same
people
reach
back
out
to
us
over
and
over
on
our
private
community
paramedic
phone,
and
so
let's
say
that
somebody
overdoses
we
get
them
help
and
then
they
sort
of
have
a
relapse
and
are
removed
from
their
halfway
house
or
their
home.
D
Gilbert,
this
is
data
as
of
yesterday
that
clear
may
have
not
even
had
the
opportunity
to
see,
but
just
folks
that
have
stayed
in
the
program
at
least
30
days.
Some
of
those
pro
folks
have
actually
been
in
the
program
60
and
90
days,
but
we're
looking
at
about
a
21.5
success
rate
of
keeping
folks
in
the
program.
Another
statistic
that
recently
has
been
kind
of
brought
to
to
our
attention
is
that
across
the
west,
or
across
all
of
north
carolina,
there's
been
a
40
increase
in
opioid
consumption
and
deaths.
D
So
we've
here
in
bangkok,
have
actually
experienced
a
five
percent
decrease
from
where
we
were
at
in
previous
years.
So
you
know,
that's
just
one
team,
you
know
that's
the
thing.
I
want
to
remind
you
all
of
right
now
this
is
just
one
team
and
our
hope
and
our
vision
is
to
see
city
and
county,
be
able
to
partner
and
actually
collaborate
on
this
project.
Add
more
teams
so
that
we
can
be
more
successful
to
outreach
into
the
community.
H
This
is
kim
thank
you
for
that
question
sandra.
I
think
it's
encouraging
to
hear
that
our
numbers
are
down
while
north
carolina
numbers
are
up
so
because
the
focus
is
on
overdose
and
opioid
epidemic.
What
are
some
of
the
other
services
that
could
be
provided
if
the
community
paramedicine
program
was
expanded.
D
I
would
say
our
number
one
issue
in
buncombe
county
when
we
look
at
our
statistics,
is
access
to
care
to
mental
health
care
and
wrap
around
services
for
mental
health
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
trying
to
self-medicate
with
street
drugs
because
they
do
not
have
access
to
primary
care.
Physicians,
that's
what
they're
telling
us
when
we
intervene
with
them.
We
build
up
a
tremendous
trust
level
with
this
community
and
you
know
they
use
9-1-1
as
their
access
to
care.
H
D
D
You
know
it's
something
that
we're
kind
of
excited
about,
having
filling
in
the
gap,
but
the
pacific
gap
that
we
see
the
most
is
access
to
mat
treatment,
medicaid,
assisted
treatment.
If
we
could
medicate
people
in
crisis
and
actually
get
them
appointment
to
get
them
in
to
see
a
primary
care
physician
and
get
that
wraparound
care
and
then
follow
up
with
a
rehab
program
in
72
hours.
We
think
we
can
make
a
tremendous
difference
in
breaking
that
cycle,
because
then
what
you're
doing
is
you're
suppressing
the
hunger
and
the
reuse.
D
If
you
go
out-
and
you
talk
to
chief
bernettes
firefighter
emts
that
respond
to
this,
you
talk
to
my
paramedics.
You
talk
to
the
law
enforcement
officer.
They'll
tell
you
they're,
seeing
the
same
faces,
sometimes
three
and
four
times
over
the
same
day
when
they're
reusing
and
we
feel
like
if
we
could
get
in
and
make
a
difference
at
that
time,
with
the
suboxone
treatment
that
we
could
really
get
more
people
in
rehab.
D
There's
a
lot
of
national
data
that
supports
that,
and
we
know
that
the
people
we
have
been
able
to
get
any
mat
treatment
they're
the
ones
that
are
staying
in
the
program
are
staying
in
rehab
and
we're
really
making
a
difference
with
so
that
right
now,
if
I
had
one
big
ask,
you
know,
is
how
do
we
respond?
How
do
we
increase
our
mat
response.
J
Councilwoman,
I
also
just
want
to
quickly
respond
to
that
that,
with
part
of
what's
made
our
program
successful
is
the
community
relationships
that
we've
developed
sort
of
by
default
with
a
lot
of
the
organizations
in
town,
the
shelters,
the
churches,
the
grassroots
organizations.
J
Non-Profits
we've
been
in
these
communities
for
years
as
paramedics
and
police
and
firefighters,
but
we've
had
a
totally
different
experience
being
in
these
communities
as
community
health
workers,
and
so
I
think
that,
with
more
coverage
with
more
staff,
with
more
ability
to
really
immerse
ourselves
in
those
communities,
we
can
continue
to
be
that
bridge
between
public
safety
and
the
hospital
and
the
community
and
sort
of
help
to
develop
systems
that
will
work
for
each
community
based
on
its
own
asks
and
needs,
and
also
improve
the
morale
of
of
our
employees.
J
You
know
it's
that's
another
huge
thing
we
could
do
with
more
staff
is
help
create
solutions
that
are
lasting
and
stop
sending
people
into
situations
that
are
so
hard
to
come
up
with
good
solutions
for.
H
D
Taylor,
I
would
say
in
this
can't
quantify
this
with
the
exact
number,
but
I
will
get
you
a
number
back,
but,
generally
speaking,
I
would
say
more
than
80
percent
of
our
call
volume
is
in
the
city
of
asheville,
we've,
we've
improved,
we've
increased
in
kind
of
the
boundaries
of
west
asheville
in
the
county
and
in
the
candler
area.
Probably
10
or
15
of
our
response
right
now
is,
is
kind
of
moving
up
that
way,
but
most
of
it
is
within
the
city
limits
of
of
asheville.
D
I
I
do
want
to
point
out
one
other
thing
that
we've
had
tremendous
feedback
from
the
community
on
is
the
way
we
dress
our
our
community
paramedics,
don't
dress
like
a
traditional
paramedics
in
a
uniform.
They
dress
more
in
scrubs
and
hoodies
to
look
more
like
health
care
providers
and
the
people
they're
meeting,
and
with
that
we
we
just
noticed
that
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
trust
that
we
did
not
like
like
a
lot
of
times.
They
actually
ask
you
know
well,
I'm
kind
of
through.
D
I
don't
need
any
other
services.
I
just
want
to
talk
to
the
community
paramedic
and
the
peer
support
person,
and
so
we
get
everybody
to
clear
up,
and
then
we
have
we
kind
of
get
into
that
frank
conversation
about
you
know
what
kind
of
services
we
can
offer
and
provide
which
I
I
was
recently
at
a
national
community,
paramedic
conference,
and
I
heard
another
team
say
the
same
thing
and
it
was
just
encouraging
to
hear
another
team
from
north
carolina.
D
Having
that
same
kind
of
experience
that
you
know
they
they
they
feel
embarrassed.
A
lot
of
folks
do
after
they've
had
to
had
this
encounter.
You
know
the
post
over
desk
response,
and
sometimes
I
think,
just
to
know
that
we
we're
not
judging
people
we're
meeting
people
where
they
are
and
the
only
single
thing.
D
So
I'm
gonna,
let
claire
explain
that
because
that
is
is
like
something
she
is
more
engaged
in
than
I
am
right
now
with
mayheck,
and
you
know
claire,
if
you'll
just
explain
that
and
I'll
do
any
follow-up.
J
Sure,
so,
to
sort
of
unpack,
the
the
combination
of
behavioral
health
and
substance
use.
Mayheck,
has
sort
of
partnered
with
us
around
our
our
post
office
response
team
pilot
and
is
having
their
site
clinicians
ride
with
us
once
a
week
to
sort
of
give
their
new
residents
a
feel
for
what
mental
health
and
substance
use
looks
like
in
the
field
when
combined
like
taylor,
said
folks,
medicating
with
methamphetamine
behavioral,
health,
overlapping.
With
substance
use,
you
know
chicken
and
egg
either
way.
J
These
are
vulnerable
displaced
people,
so
they
started
out
riding
with
us
and
we
quickly
developed
some
ideas,
together
with
their
substance,
use
clinicians
around
medicaid
medication,
medicated
assisted
treatment,
which
is
essentially
suboxone
in
the
state
of
north
carolina.
So
what
that
will
do
is
allow
us
to
administer
suboxone
in
the
field
in
real
time,
both
both
at
the
time
of
an
overdose.
J
If
the
patient
wants
that
and
also
for
follow-up
care,
and
so
we
created
a
what's
called
a
protocol,
it's
how
we
have
our
scope
of
practice
defined
in
north
carolina
by
our
medical
director,
we're
very
fortunate
to
have
one
here
in
buncombe
county.
J
That
is
in
huge
support
of
regional
efforts
like
this,
and
he
approved
a
protocol
that
we
wrote
together
with
the
mayhem
clinicians
who
work
with
us,
and
so
that
went
through
the
state
was
approved
and
with
the
expansion
of
our
team
we
would
have
staff
that
would
go
out
and
dose
people
with
suboxone
in
their
homes
or
not
in
their
homes,
wherever
they
are
available
and
get
them
into
care,
so
that
the
the
less
complicated
way
of
saying
that
is,
if
somebody
is
taking
methadone
or
suboxone,
regularly
to
stop
them
from
using
drugs,
they're
working,
a
job,
they're,
a
family
member,
and
then
they
relapse
and
overdose.
J
On
a
friday.
It
is
very,
very
hard,
without
going
into
great
detail,
to
get
that
person
back
into
a
program
or
get
their
support
systems
back
in
place
before
monday,
nay
impossible
to
do
those
things
actually.
So
what
that
looks
like
is
where
that
gap
is
a
three-day
window
for
somebody
who's
recently
relapsed
and
used
drugs
to
fall
through
the
cracks,
and
so
the
hopes
are
with
the
ability
to
go
out
and
redose
people,
while
they
don't
have
access
to
their
medication
or
their
support
networks.
J
D
Sometimes
you
just
don't
have
the
mental
capacity
to
fight
through
that,
and
so
the
suboxone
blocks
that
that
urge
to
reuse
and
allows
that
more
success
in
the
rehab
program.
So
I
think
that's
going
to
be
the
key
thing
here.
If
we
want
to
really
be
serious
about
eliminating
opioid
deaths,
we've
got
to
get
really
serious
about
our
mat
treatment.
B
J
So
that's
where
we're
we're
really
trying
to
do
this,
the
right
way
and
it's
taking
you
know
it
takes
a
while
and
this
pilot
has
been
up
and
down,
but
but
what
we've
realized
is
that
when
we
prioritize
when
we
do
this
through
a
lens
of
what's
called
social
determinants
of
health-
or
you
know,
if
you've
heard
those
nursing
phrases
or
public
health
phrases,
it's
basically
just
saying:
there's
the
issue
of
drug
addiction,
but
then
there's
a
larger
picture
right
like
if
that
person
is
unhoused
and
the
only
place
that
they
stay
is
a
tent
with
their
husband
or
wife
that
also
uses
drugs.
J
It's
very
very
hard
for
that
person
to
stay
abstinent,
even
if
they
want
to
so,
essentially
the
one
three
and
six
month.
Check-Ins
are
more
about
those
social
determinants
of
health.
The
first
72
hours
is
just
to
say:
hey:
do
you
need
more
suboxone
or
narcan?
Let's
keep
you
alive
through
these
72
hours,
while
we
get
you
into
a
program
and
then
the
three
and
six
months
markers
are
to
say:
okay,
so
for
you
to
be
sober
or
to
get
a
job
or
to
get
housing.
What
does
it
look
like
for
you?
J
B
J
Thanks
very
much,
I
also
want
to
thank
the
city,
fire
and
police
they're.
Definitely
there
with
us
on
the
ground
level.
H
This
is
kim.
I
know
that
we
don't
have
a
recommended
action
for
today,
but
I
think
that
would
have
benefit
the
whole
council
to
hear
this
presentation,
the
numbers
that
the
services
are
already
being
provided
in
city
limits.
So
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
to
recommend
that
we
suggest
this
presentation
for
a
future
agenda
of
council.
I
Miss
ronnie:
this
is
deborah
I've.
I
can
add
it
as
a
part
of
a
manager's
update
and
I'll
be
more
than
happy
to
do
that.
If,
if
that's
okay,
if
it
comes
as.
H
L
I
But
I
appreciate
absolutely
and
because
I
want
to
assure
you
all
that
we
are
working
collaboratively
with
the
county
on
this
and
many
other
initiatives
related
to
emergency
response,
the
911
consolidation,
the
emergency,
shelter,
there's
a
there's,
a
number
of
them,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone,
this
is
a
system.
I
D
So
debra,
I
just
want
to
say
one
thing
I
want
to
thank
you
and
your
team
for
the
continued
work
and
support
what
we're
doing
is
very
difficult
work
and
it
is
work.
That's
really
leading
the
nation
when
you
really
boil
down
to
how
we're
looking
at
doing
this.
This
is
kind
of
a
new
national
model
and
what
chief
zach
brings
from
his
previous
job
and
his
background.
D
What
cheaper
net?
With
with
his
ideas
on
how
the
fire
department
and
ems
work
together
to
do
this?
These
are
all
great
things
that
really
it's
going
to
create
a
new
strategy
and
a
new
national
model,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
all
your
support
and
help,
because
this
is
the
things
that's
really
going
to
save
lives
here,
and
we
appreciate
y'all's
heavy
engagement
and
support
with
us.
B
O
Yes,
thank
you
vice
mayor
and
good
morning,
again
to
everyone
joined
with
me,
for
this
presentation
is
deputy
chief
of
operations
mike
yelton
and
deputy
chiefs,
and
my
report
today
is
to
provide
public
safety.
An
update
on
what's
occurred
since
the
release
of
the
after
action
report
for
the
protest
from
may
29th
to
june
6..
O
Next,
please
key
takeaways
from
this
presentation.
O
The
after
action
report
contained
11,
specific
recommendations.
All
11
of
those
recommendations
have
been
implemented.
O
In
order
to
support
those
recommendations,
we
had
to
amend
many
standard
operating
procedures
and
that
has
taken
place
also
to
support.
There
were
a
number
of
policy
changes
that
needed
to
be
addressed
and
those
operating
procedures,
but
also
policy
changes
have
now
been
disseminated
to
all
personnel
at
the
asheville
police
department.
O
There
was
corrective
action
taken
for
policy
violations
that
occurred
during
that
time
period
and
those
the
corrective
actions
for
those
policy
violations
have
been
imposed.
O
Next,
please
just
we'll
kind
of
recap:
the
11
recommendations
in
the
action
taken
for
recommendation,
one,
although
apd
was
up
to
date
on
our
training
and
our
policies
were
consistent
with
best
practices
for
law
enforcement
strategies.
For
large
scale
demonstrations,
those
policies
and
procedures
continue
to
evolve.
Apd
will
continue
to
research,
adapt
and
implement
strategies
that
will
be
most
effective
for
the
city
of
asheville
recommendation.
Two
please
next.
O
All
apd
radio
communications
during
the
protest
were
not
recorded,
as
outside
agencies
came
in
to
assist
in
order
to
facilitate
communications,
better
apd
had
to
switch
over
to
a
statewide
emergency
operation
channel,
which
was
viper
one
at
the
time
when
we
made
that
switch
to
improve
communications,
we
were
unaware
that
a
request
is
required
to
record
those
transmissions
over
this
channel.
We
were
not
aware
of
that
that
that
request
was
required.
Policy
now
has
been
changed
to
address
that
issue,
and
we
will
never
again
encounter
a
problem
where
our
radio
communications
are
not
being
recorded.
O
A
problem
that
occurred
as
we
were
receiving
resources
from
outside
agencies
is,
we
did
have
a
problem
tracking
who
was
coming
in.
We
we
knew
what
agencies
were
assisting
and
oftentimes.
We
knew
how
many
officers
they
were
bringing
in,
but
we
did
not
have
an
adequate
roster
of
everyone
who
did
respond.
O
We
will
improve
our
tracking
on
that
policy
has
been
updated
and
we
will
have
a
resource
manager
with
definite
defined
roles
and
expectations
to
keep
track
of
that
ross
and
maintain
a
roster
of
responders.
O
Recommendation
for
apd
body,
worn
camera
policy
was
not
written
to
support
extended
duration
operations.
We
had
never
before
encountered
a
situation
where
we
were
basically
working,
almost
24
7
for
seven
days.
Policy
did
not
support
when
to
turn
on
cameras
when
to
turn
off
cameras.
There
was
issues
with
battery
life
and
whether
we
would
have
the
ability
how
much
ability
we
would
have
to
record
we've
addressed
all
that
policy
was
updated
now
to
require
that
all
officers
working
large
scale
events
have
a
body-worn
camera
assigned
and
that
they
are
recording
throughout
the
event.
O
Next,
please,
we
did
recognize
that
we
were
having
deficiencies
in
our
information,
management
and
dissemination.
Well,
I
think
we
work
very
well
keeping
the
city
informed.
We
did
run
into
issues
early
on
with
making
the
public
aware
of
of
what
was
taking
place
and
getting
proper
messaging
to
media.
We
improved
as
days
were
on,
but
we
did
have
a
problem
early
on
with
releasing
appropriate
information
to
the
media
and
the
public.
So
we
believe
we've
corrected
that
and
we
will
continue
to
improve
communications
between
the
city,
our
department,
media
and
our
community.
O
O
We
experienced
that
here
in
asheville
as
well
and
early
on,
we
had
a
heavy
uniformed
presence
and
even
when
the
national
guard
came
in,
we
had
a
we
had
a
heavy
presence.
So
what
we've
learned
there
are
times-
and
I
think
the
key
word
here
is
practical,
when
practical
apd
will
employ
a
softer
approach
when
responding
to
large
scale
events
options
can
include
the
use
of
concrete
plastic
barriers,
bollards
and
the
deployment
of
specialized
units
only
when
deemed
necessary.
O
We
saw
success
there
as
the
days
wore
on
where
we
were
able
to
roll
back
our
presence,
and
that
seemed
to
have
more
of
a
calming
effect
than
it
did
maybe
early
on.
But
again,
this
is
this
is
when
practical
the
situation
will
dictate
itself,
but
we
will
keep
it
in
the
back
of
our
minds
that
you
know
if
there's
an
ability
to
get
that
heavy,
uniform
presence
out
of
public
view.
O
We
will
do
that,
but
again,
that's
when
practical
and
it
won't
be
always
the
option,
that's
selected,
but
we
will
deploy
that
sort
of
strategy
when
practical.
O
Next
recommendation
apd
acknowledges
the
fact
that
our
officers
did
destroy
medical
supplies
and
food.
O
In
addition
to
having
some
logistical
trouble
with
tracking
the
officers
that
were
coming
in
from
outside
agencies,
we
had
trouble
tracking
our
own
supplies
but,
more
importantly,
the
supplies
that
were
coming
in
from
other
agencies.
So
again
we
have
to
we
have
put
into
policy
and
standard
operating
procedure,
a
better
source
of
record-keeping
and
having
more
persons
assigned
to
logistics
in
this
sort
of
operation.
So
we
believe
we've
addressed
those
deficiencies.
O
What
we
learned
is
some
of
our
policies
did
not
translate
well
into
an
operational
environment,
and
several
policies
have
been
revised
to
reflect
those
policies,
an
example
you
know
in
previous
apd
policy,
we
were
required
to
have
the
fire
department
on
scene
before
the
deployment
of
chemical
munitions,
as
events
were
moving
from
location
to
location
that
just
became
impossible
for
us
to
to
to
follow
their
policy.
O
So
now
the
policy
has
been
chained
changed
to
say
we'll
do
that
when
practical,
but
we
will
notify,
maybe,
as
opposed
to
just
mandating
that
afd
has
to
be
on
scene.
We
just
could
not
do
that.
Nor
could
they.
So
there
were
a
number
of
similar
policies
that
needed
to
be
amended
to
be
more
practical
in
an
operational
setting.
O
Although
in
all
instances
where
chemical
munitions
were
deployed,
warnings
were
given,
but
we
want
to
make
certain
that
those
warnings
are
consistent,
each
and
every
time
again
our
problem
was
not
that
warnings
were
not
given,
but
again
just
the
consistency
and
the
verbiage.
We
wanted
to
be
uniform,
so
you
can
see
prior
to
any
deployment
of
chemical
munitions
policy
states.
This
is
this:
is
the
asheville
police
department.
This
is
an
unlawful
assembly,
please
disperse
immediately.
O
The
direction
to
disperse
will
be
given,
and
also
the
warning
that
you
are
subject
to
arrest
and
that
chemical
munitions
may
be
deployed.
We
want
that
language
to
be
clear,
concise
and
understood,
and
we
want
that
information
and
those
warnings
disseminated
properly
each
and
every
time,
and
that
is
the
script.
O
Next,
please
final
recommendation
is
that
we
will
continue
to
review
best
practices
on
crowd,
control
tactics
which
even
include
the
use
of
chemical
munitions
agencies
across
the
country.
Law
enforcement
across
the
country
has
learned
a
lot
of
lessons
from
the
protests
of
last
summer.
O
We
will
continue
to
monitor
best
practices
and
employ
them
and
develop
them
in
policy.
We
receive
our
crowd
control
training
from
the
federal
emergency
management
agency,
also
known
as
fema
and
again.
We
will
continue
to
utilize
tactics,
techniques
and
procedures
that
are
consistent
with
our
training
and
what
they
teach
us
next,
please,
regarding
the
internal
investigations
related
to
policy
violations.
O
North
carolina
general
statute
limits
the
information
that
can
be
shared
about
disciplinary
action
taken
on
an
employee,
57
arrests
were
made
during
that
time
period
last
summer
and
all
for
potential
use
of
force
violations
were
reviewed.
All
arrests
were
found
to
be
in
compliance
with
policy.
O
Next,
please,
there
were
two
investigations
into
potential
body-worn
camera
policy
violations.
One
was
found
to
be
in
violation
of
policy
resulting
in
officer
discipline.
The
other
was
not
sustained.
However,
policy
has
been
updated
to
address
what
occurred
there
with
an
officer
not
being
assigned
a
body-worn
camera.
That's
been
addressed
through
policy.
O
O
O
Next,
please
so
our
next
step
again
to
con
to
continue
to
investigate
those
inanimate
complaints
and,
like
I
say
we
will
have
those
investigations
completing
a
very
short
time
and
again,
we
will
continue
to
research,
adapt
and
implement
crowd
control
management
strategies
that
will
be
most
effective
for
our
city.
O
C
I
don't
really
have
any
questions,
but
what
I
would
like
to
say
I'd
like
to
commend
on
chief
zach
and
the
police
department
for
actually
taking
the
steps
necessary
to
make
those
corrective
changes
for
the
community.
C
In
hindsight,
unfortunately,
it
was
a
very
unfortunate
events
that
occurred,
but
we
learned
from
it
and
the
main
thing
is
we
put
steps
in
in
place
to
prevent
these
things
from
happening
again,
and
I
think
that's
very
important
for
on
the
relationship
between
police
department
community,
all
of
us
to
know
that
we
do
recognize
when
these
things
do
occur
and
we're
adjusting
and
trying
to
actually
improve
on
situations.
C
So
I'd
like
to
actually
commend
the
steps
that
they're
taking
the
necessary
steps,
and
hopefully
the
next
event,
will
not
be
as
bad
but
I'm
quite
sure,
with
the
next
event,
we'll
still
continue
to
learn
and
improve
on
the
system
they
have
been
placed
now.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
O
H
F
That's
a
question:
I
don't
have
a
a
number
that
I
can
give
you.
I
can
tell
you
that
viper
is
a
newer
system
across
the
state.
We've
only
had
access
to
that
for
the
last
handful
of
years.
We
use
it
very
sparsely
because
it's
pretty
much
designed
for
multi-agency
incidents
where
we
need
to
communicate
across
multiple
radio
systems
and
or
outside
of
areas
where
we
normally
would
be
able
to
communicate
on
our
organic
system
that
we
use
daily,
given
what
we
knew
given
what
we
learned
after
june
of
last
year.
H
I
have
a
concern-
and
I
am
hearing
from
community
members
about
this-
that
our
organization,
the
city
of
asheville,
with
our
staff
here,
have
used
the
term
mutual
aid.
So
mutual
aid
is
when
community
members
share
resources,
while
organizing
against
against
the
system
that
caused
a
lack
of
resources
or
disparities.
H
Destroying
water
bottles
is
a
reason
that
mutual
aid
is
needed
by
community
members
being
tear
gassed
by
our
city
staff.
So
I
suggest
that
we
might
need
to
use
a
different
term,
something
like
partnership
agreements,
and
I
hope
that,
if,
if
that's
needing
more
recommendation
that
we
might
invite
others
to
participate
in
in
their
response
to
our
use
of
the
word
mutual
aid
here
and
then,
if
we
could
move
forward
to
recommendation
six.
H
So
another
thing
that
I'm
hearing
and
processing
myself
and
asking
questions
about
is
the
emotional
part
of
the
response
here,
and
what
I'm
hearing
and
understand
is
that
this
is
we're
talking
about
a
national
intergenerational
outpouring
of
grief
in
response
to
not
just
the
murder
of
george
floyd,
but
a
long
history
of
violence
against
black
bodies
by
police.
H
So
I
think
it's
important
just
to
name
since
folks
may
have
not
been
able
to
be
in
the
public
comment
before
what
a
response
looks
like
that.
The
emotion
came
first,
if
we
can
afford
to
recommendation
seven
on
slide
nine.
I
I
guess
yeah
we
can
provide
that
policy,
the
chief
to
do
that
for
us.
Thank
you.
I
believe
that
policy.
H
Okay,
so
if
we
have
a
policy,
that's
gonna
come
to
this
group
or
to
counsel
it
would
be
really
helpful
to
me,
but
also
to
the
public,
as
part
of
the
public
record,
to
link
to
a
full
policy
when
it's
going
to
be
partially
on
the
agenda.
H
But,
additionally,
it
says
just
citizens
which
would
exclude
anyone
who's
visiting
or
anyone
who
resides
here.
That's
not
a
citizen.
So
I
wonder
if
we
might
consider
residents
instead
of
citizen
in
the
language
and
then
a
bigger
question
for
like
just
the
the
procedure.
Part
is:
how
will
property
that's
not
destroyed,
be
stored
and
documented.
O
Well,
I
I
think
a
lot
of
that's
going
to
depend
on
what
that
property
is.
So
I
mean
that
situation.
If
it's
you
know
it
could
be
supplies,
it
could
be
vehicles,
we
don't
know
what
exactly
it
would
be.
So
I
mean
I,
I
think
it's
impossible
for
us
to
write
a
policy
that
would
cover
everything
and
the
policy
needs
to
be
a
little
bit
more
broad,
because
we
don't
know
exactly
what
it
is
we
would
encounter,
but
I
mean
the
general
theme
is,
you
know:
do
not
destroy
anything.
H
So
does
this
apply
just
during
a
reaction
to
a
protest
or
a
public
gathering,
or
would
it
also
imply
that
we're
not
going
to
destroy
personal
and
abandoned
property,
for
example
like
an
eviction
of
an
encampment.
O
That's
that
that
that's
already
in
apd
policy,
I
think
this.
This
is
just
again
just
reinforcing
what
is
contained
in
in
other
policies
and
and
we
do
have
a
policy
that
addresses
you-
know
the
removal
of
encampments,
so
that
is
there
and
apd
does
take
in
that
personal
property
and
inventories
it
and
stores
it
currently,
especially
during
arrests
and
things
of
that
nature.
H
Thank
you
so
much
next,
I
would
have
a
rec
question
about
recommendation
number.
Nine.
C
Yes,
excuse
me,
could
you
could
we
go
back
to
seven
for
a
minute
I
saw
them.
I
think
I
didn't
really.
Okay.
Could
you
please
explain
I
I
didn't
really
hear
when
you
were
talking
about
changing
the
wording
from
us
residents
to
citizens
to
residents.
I'm
trying
to
understand.
H
So
let's
say
that
it
refers
to
me,
but
also
to
someone
who
is
undocumented
and
or
somebody
who
doesn't
live
here
like,
I
think
that
we
might
need
to
make
this
more
loose
and
not
just
include
citizens,
but
residents.
C
H
I
do
know
that
we
would,
by
just
saying
citizens
were
excluding
anyone
who
doesn't
yet
have
a
citizenship
or
is
undocumented,
but
I
think.
B
We
just
say
it
poses
an
immediate
danger
and
then
danger
can
be
applied
to
maybe
a
vehicle
properly
or
a
person.
Yeah.
C
H
I
hear
that
what
about
the
public.
F
H
C
H
F
It's
a
simple
matter
for
us:
that's
a
that's!
A
good
point
taken
and
it'll
be
an
easy
matter
for
us
to
change
that
to
address
the
spirit
of
the
policy
to
protect
members
of
the
public.
So
we
can.
We
can
improve
that
language
and
make
it
sound
more
inclusive.
H
Thank
you.
So
can
we
go
next
to
recommendation
for
number
nine
this
one?
I
did
get
some
feedback
that
when
we
use
acronyms
instead
of
when
we
could
just
fill
out
the
words
we're
leaving
out
folks
who
are
they're
they're,
stuck
on
what
is
afd
and
so
something
as
simple
as
putting
actual
fire
department
when
as
many
times
as
we
can
just
go
ahead
and
spell
out
the
acronyms,
because
I
had
to
answer
questions
about
this
one,
but
it
was
a
good
opportunity
to
address
acronyms
in
general.
H
Ultimately,
for
this
one,
I
feel
like
we're
moving
in
the
wrong
direction,
because
there
should
absolutely
be
checks
and
balances
for
when
chemical
weapons
like
tear
gas
are
used
on
the
public.
So
I
can't
support
that.
We
not
have
this
reversed
if,
if
it
was
our
previous
policy
that
af
asheville
fire
department
be
on
scene,
that
should
be
a
minimum.
I
mean
we're
talking
about
gases.
O
O
We
make
that
determination
based
on
the
situation
that
we're
dealing
with,
preferably
we
would
like
them
their
present
and,
unfortunately,
that
you
know
when
protesters
decided
to
go
up
on
the
thruway
in
the
expressway
and
afd
could
not
get
there
in
an
appropriate
amount
of
time
and
that's
not
going
to
prevent
us
or
it
should
not
hinder
us
in
what
action
we
deem
as
necessary.
O
We
make
that
determination
and
you
know
afd
again.
We
would
like
to
have
them
there,
but
they're
not
there
to
provide
a
check
or
balance
they're
there
to
support
our
effort
and
again,
if
we
can
have
them
there,
we
will,
but
if
it's
impractical-
or
they
have
a
don't,
have
the
ability
to
get
to
us,
because
the
roadway's
been
obstructed.
H
Sorry
interrupt
so
we
having
discussed
this
previously
outside
of
a
meeting.
I
I'm
curious
still
why
we're
headed
in
this
direction,
when
we
could
have
blocked
the
road
further
up
with
cars.
So
I
have
a
fundamental
concern
that
we're
using
chemical
weapons
like
tear
gas
on
the
public
in
general,
but
that's
part
of
a
bigger
conversation
that
we
need
to
have
as
council
right.
So
can
we
move
to
recommendation
10.
H
For
this
one,
I'm
questioning
the
that
the
announcement
comes
off.
Potentially,
though,
just
like
the
way,
I
read
it
as
ableist,
just
in
the
sense
that
it
requires
the
person
the
chemical
weapon
is
being
used
against,
to
both
be
able
to
hear,
and
also
to
understand,
the
announcement
at
a
distance
in
a
single
language.
H
I
Thank
you,
miss
ronnie,
and
I
think
where
the
department
is
now
is
actually.
This
is
the
less
aggressive
and
whether
you
accept
that
or
not
way
to
deal
with
this
situation,
and
I'm
assuming
this
is
what
our
officers
are
being
taught
in
terms
of
crowd,
control
and
crowd
management.
I
But
we
know
that
there
there's
a
lot
of
debate
and
concern
about
the
use
of
chemical
munitions,
and
we
assure
you
that
we
are
going
to
practice
the
best
practice
and
going
to
be
very
selective
in
its
use
and
going
to
continue
to
follow
fema
guidelines
and
state
guidelines
and
do
whatever
it
is
that
can
protect
the
public
as
well
as
our
officers
chief.
I
O
No,
I
I
think
you
covered
that.
I
mean
that
is
that
that
debate
has
taken
place
and
then
that
conversation
is
taking
place
in
cities
across
america
on
on
how
best
to
to
manage
large
crowds,
and
especially
you
know,
in
a
situation
where
emotions
were
as
high
as
they
were,
but
I
think
we
have
to
remember
as
a
city
we're
not
new
york
city,
we
do
not
have
30
or
40
000
officers
at
our
disposal.
O
We
are
a
smaller
city
and
we
have
limited
resources,
and
you
know,
obviously
you
know
the
the
tools
that
we
have.
We
want
to
use
them
properly,
but
judiciously-
and
you
know
we
are
adapting
to
to
the
circumstances
presented
to
us
and
we
do
the
best
job
that
we
can
with
the
resources
that
we
have.
O
But
you
know
we're
not
new
york
city,
where
we
can
deploy
all
over
the
city,
multiple
locations,
our
resources
get
spread
very
thin
very
quickly
and
when
we
first
had
this
conversation
about
the
use
of
chemical
munitions
last
summer,
this
is
this
is
what
I
did
present
to
council
that
if
these
tools
were
not
at
our
disposal
that
we
would
be
severely
limited
in
our
ability
to
respond.
K
Madam
vice
mayor,
if
I
may
also
add
to
that,
I
think
there
is
a
legal
issue
is
here
which
should
be
verbalized
as
part
of
this
discussion
as
well,
pursuant
to
state
law,
but
more
specifically,
the
city's
charter.
The
council
has
limited
and
very
restricted
authority
with
regard
to
what
sort
of
tools
apd
has
at
its
disposal
and
how
to
use
them.
K
So
I
just
want
to
point
that
out
when
we
discuss
the
possibility
of
taking
this
particular
matter
up
before
the
full
council
in
providing
you
with
a
reminder
that
council
is
incredibly
limited
in
terms
of
what
it
can
do
to
effectuate
any
sort
of
change
with
regard
to
apd
policy
that
has
been
specifically
designated
to
the
manager
and
not
to
the
city
council,.
H
O
That's
that
would
be
completely
impractical
that
would
basically
eliminate
that
tool
as
an
option.
Such
a
provision.
O
O
O
We
don't
want
to
see
that
happen
or
children,
but
at
some
time,
at
some
point
too,
there's
a
responsibility
for
persons
who
are
supervising
young
children
that
they
have
to
get
out
of
there
for
their
own
safety,
but
to
just
continue
to
maintain
a
presence,
it
would
be
difficult
and
it
would
just
especially
when
we're
dealing
with
crowds
in
the
hundreds
or
in
some
cases,
over
a
thousand
there's
there's
just
a
practical
matter
that
has
to
be
considered,
and
I
think
such
a
provision
that
says
we
could
never
use
that
if
there
was
an
elderly
person
in
the
crowd,
the
the
tool
would
no
longer
exist.
I
And-
and
I
would
suggest
to
you
that
staff,
just
as
counsel,
has
a
desire
to
do
no
harm
we're
not
intentionally
wanting
to
harm
anybody,
whether
they
live
in
this
community,
don't
live
in
this
community
able-bodied,
not
able-bodied.
I
H
I
hear
that
and
I
I
can't
forget
the
pictures
of
people's
faces
that
were
injured
by
the
tear
gas
canisters
being
deployed
into
the
crowd
and
it
did
bring
to
mind
that
we
can
replace
buildings.
But
we
can't
replace
people.
B
Chief
zack,
I
have
a
question
concerning
communication
and
being
able
to
more
effectively
give
warnings
and
possible
escape
routes
in
a
case
that
there
is
an
instigated
matter
you
mentioned
here.
B
You
know
that
you're
you're,
just
looking
into
it
and
reviewing
it,
but
I'm
kind
of
wanted
to
hear
just
a
little
bit
more
on
how
you're
going
to
do
it,
because
in
a
large
crowd,
especially
in
a
mountainous
area,
sometimes
it's
hard
for
that
communication
or
that
command
to
carry
so
that
individuals
can
make
their
way
to
to
escape
or
reroute.
B
O
Well,
just
just
to
be
clear,
our
training
and
our
policy
indicates.
You
know
that
there
must
be
an
escape
route,
that's
already
in
policy,
and
certainly
we
ensure
that
that
that
escape
route
is
available.
I
mean
that's
that
that's
the
purpose
is
to
gain
dispersal,
but
to
give
some
people
some
place
to
go,
so
you
certainly
do
not
want
to
trap
them
in
anywhere
or
or
the
deployment
is
completely
ineffective.
O
So
that's
already
a
part
of
training
and
policy,
but
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
regarding
you
know:
can
people
hear
the
warnings,
and
that
is
problematic,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
agencies
are
addressing
it
because
they
had
similar
problems,
especially
when
you're
dealing
with
loud,
vocal
crowds
of
again
hundreds
and
perhaps
even
thousands
there.
There
is
equipment,
that's
available
to
amplify
warnings,
but
we've
seen
in
certain
situations
resulted
in
litigation
because
the
amplified
warnings
have
the
potential
to
create
harm
and
injury
to
hearing
and
so
forth.
O
So
we're
again,
I
think
the
nation's
learned
a
lot
and
I
think,
there's
going
to
be
new
technology
developed,
there's
going
to
be
new
standard
operating
procedures
considered
and
you
just
got
to
see
what's
out
there,
but
we
certainly
know
that
that
was
a
problem
and
again
you
know
trying
to
give
warnings
from
the
rear.
That
was
something
that
was
in
our
policy,
but
unfortunately,
when
the
crowd
is
moving
and
the
roads
are
obstructed
now
we
can't
get
get
behind
the
crowd
in
order
to
make
sure
everyone
is
hearing
it.
O
O
We
don't
want
to
be
in
a
situation
where
we're
in
this
sort
of
confrontation
with
our
community
so
again,
we'll
continue
to
research.
We'll
continue
to
look
at
better
technology,
we'll
continue
to
adjust
as
necessary
and
respond
in
the
best
way
possible,
but
you
know
we're
there
to
keep
the
public
safe
and
but
I
think
we
also
have
to
acknowledge
that
there
were
that
there
were
persons
present.
Who
did
not
have
that
as
a
primary
concern
and
and
how
you
address.
Those
persons
is
difficult.
O
B
In
in
a
case
of
mutual
aid
or
multi-agency
response,
if
there
is
a
violation
of
our
use
of
force
policy,
what
protocol
happens
after
a
violation?
How
is
it
investigated
and
what
does
that
report
chain?
Look
like.
O
For
us
I
mean
certainly
we
make
the
agencies
aware
that
there
may
be
a
concern
and,
if
necessary,
if
we
observe
that
something
that
has
the
potential
to
be
considered
criminally.
We
take
that
to
the
district
attorney's
office
and
in
this
instance
we
did
do
both.
B
Okay
and
when
you're
in
communication
with
other
agencies
who
could
potentially
assist
us,
I'm
sure
that
there
is
exchange
of
information
pertaining
to
our
operations.
O
That's
something
that
we've
been
in
discussion
with
with
agencies
throughout
the
county.
For
for
these
large-scale
events.
Again,
every
agency
has
a
different
training
budget.
Every
agency
has
different
resources
available
to
them,
so
that
that's
always
a
concern
when
you,
when
you
make
a
request
to
bring
in
additional
help,
we
don't
know
the
level
of
training,
they
don't
know
the
level
of
our
training.
They
don't
know
our
standard
operating
procedures,
we
don't
know
theirs,
so
that
is
always
a
a
hurdle
that
has
to
be
overcome
when
you
bring
in
outside
agencies.
O
But
again,
we've
been
requested
to
go
out
and
assist
other
agencies,
and
they
have
the
same
problem:
they're
not
familiar
with
apd's
training,
they're,
not
familiar
with
apd's
policies
and
procedures.
It's
a
difficult
left,
especially
when
you're
dealing
with
with
so
many
local
agencies
that
have
that
we
simply
just
have
to
rely
on
one
another
and
something
that
we
have
talked
about
at
the
county
level
is
trying
to
put
together
a
kind
of
a
multi-jurisdictional
team
that
is,
is
adequately
trained,
properly,
led
and
with
policies
that
and
procedures
that
are
consistent.
B
Okay,
yes,
I
know
the
training
opportunities
would
just
kind
of
make
the
the
concert.
P
B
B
P
You're
from
south
asheville,
I
just
wanted
to
take
this
opportunity.
One
thank
you
for
your
service,
but
then
remind
you
that
your
service
specifically
is
to
extend
to
all
citizens,
not
just
one
particular
group,
and,
as
I
watched
this
meeting
and
several
others,
it
kind
of
comes
to
light
that
these
recommendations
that
we're
seeing
and
that
you've
tasked
chief
zach
with
trying
to
determine
best
practice.
We
also
need
to
remember
that
if
we
don't
continue
to
support
public
safety
within
the
city
of
asheville,
we
won't
have
officers
there
the
next
time
we
need
them.
B
Q
Thank
you.
My
name
is
emma
hutchins,
I'm
a
resident
here
in
asheville,
and
I
want
to
start
by
saying
that
I'm
very
I'm
very
glad
that
this
has
has
made
its
way
to
public
safety.
Q
It's
been
a
long
time
coming
and
it's
something
that
I've
been
disappointed
in
the
wait
time,
considering
the
number
of
complaints
that
came
from
the
public,
the
number
of
injuries
that
were
sustained
and-
and
I
definitely
hear
what
you're
saying
about
how
this
was
a
period
of
great
learning,
and
I'm
I'm
glad
to
see
that
this
is
something
that
is
now
coming
forward,
and
I
do
think
that
a
greater
presence
of
this
conversation
and
a
city
council
meeting
would
be
really
helpful
for
the
public.
Q
Q
So
I
just
want
to
second
that,
and
then
I
just
want
to
reflect
on
some
of
the
language
that
I
heard
in
this
conversation
like
do
no
harm
and
that
this
is
the
less
aggressive
form
of
action,
because
I
think
that
the
implication
here
is
that
the
alternative
is
physical
violence,
and
I
think
that
that's
just
such
a
short-sighted
view
of
what
is
possible
as
we
reimagine
public
safety.
Q
I
also
want
to
remind
council
that
in
the
public
safety
committee
that
tear
gas
is
a
chemical
weapon
that
is
banned
in
war
and
so
as
we
consider
the
long-term
effects
on
every
member
of
our
community,
including
elders
and
children,
who
are
exercising
their
first
amendment
rights.
But
this
is
a
very
serious
thing
to
consider
and
I
would
encourage
council
to
continue
pursuing
the
idea
of
completely
banning
the
use
of
chemical
weapons
in
our
community,
like
other
cities
in
the
united
states
have
done
including
portland
or
oregon.
Q
So
that's
that's
what
I
have
to
say.
I
think
this
is
a
very
serious
thing
to
consider
and
I'm
speaking
out
with
a
concern
as
a
community
member
and
a
neighbor,
so
I
hope
to
see
this
conversation
continue.
Thank
you.