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A
B
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
I'm
gwen
whistler
and
I'm
the
chair
of
the
planning
and
economic
development
committee
and
welcome
to
the
meeting
this
afternoon.
The
november
8th
meeting,
all
of
the
council,
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
allowed
we're
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hubs
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website.
B
B
B
While
you
are
listening
to
the
meeting
by
phone,
please
be
sure
to
turn
down
the
volume
on
your
device
before
speaking
I'll
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
keep
your
microphone
muted
if
you're,
not
speaking,
council
and
staff.
When
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello,
councilwoman
kilgore,
hello,
councilwoman
turner
good
afternoon
assistant
city
manager,
kathy
ball,
hello.
B
B
B
A
second
thank
you
and
we
will
do
a
roll
call
vote
so
say
hi.
If
you
approve
nay,
if
you
don't
councilwoman
kilgore
aye,
councilwoman,
turner,
hi
and
myself,
I
so
the
minutes
have
been
approved.
So
the
second
item
on
our
agenda
is
the
open
space
zoning
text,
amendment
and
I'll
turn
this
over
to
todd.
Oklahoma.
Who'll
start
us
on
this
item,
so
todd
take
it
away.
C
Thank
you
councilwoman,
whistler
and
good
afternoon
members
of
ped.
The
purpose
of
the
presentation
today
is
to
provide
you
all
with
an
update
on
a
proposal
by
playing
an
urban
design
staff
in
regards
to
text
amendments
to
our
open
space
standards
for
the
city.
This
is
a
project
that
we've
been
working
on
for
the
last
few
years
and
is
one
of
the
strategies
that
are
identified
in
our
living
national
comprehensive
plan
next
slide,
please.
C
So
just
a
few
key
takeaways
that
the
proposed
zoning
text
update
to
open
space
standards
is
something
that
again
that
we've
been
working
on
for
the
last
few
years,
and
it
also
includes
a
few
zoning
map
amendments
and
we'll
cover
where
those
areas
are
in
the
presentation.
Today
that
the
comprehensive
plan
I
actually
recommends
in
several
areas
of
the
comp
plan
to
reduce
regulatory
barriers
to
infill
housing,
and
this
is
one
of
the
strategies
that
staff
has
been
examining
over
the
past
few
years
as
a
way
to
reduce
these
zoning
barriers
to
in-fill
housing.
C
And
finally,
that
staff
has
collaborated
with
eight
boards
and
commissions
over
a
period
of
nine
months
and
that
included
the
creation
of
an
open
space
task
force
where
we
had
representatives
from
multiple
boards
and
commissions
next
slide.
Please
a
few
primary
goals
of
the
open
space
text
amendment
is
to
implement
the
living
national
comprehensive
plan
strategies
that
are
related
to
the
need
for
more
housing
in
the
city,
to
improve
the
quality
and
accessibility
of
open
space,
to
align,
disjointed
regulations
and
to
simplify
and
clarify
development
regulations.
C
So
there
are
actually
a
few
key
changes
that
we
made
in
this
in
these
draft
open
space
text
regulations
and
those
are
related
to
again
removing
some
of
these
zoning
barriers
to
infill
housing,
but
we
also
looked
at
ways
that
we
could
incentivize
better
stormwater
management
and
finally,
we
tried
to
focus
on
creating
better
quality,
open
spaces
that
are
more
accessible
to
people,
and
there
are
a
number
of
related
benefits
in
regards
to
these
changes,
and
that
includes
addressing
housing
needs
in
addition
to
climate
and
other
social
benefits.
Next
slide,
please.
C
Open
space
also
supports
storm
water
mitigation,
heat
island
mitigation.
Air
quality
and
open
space
also
provides
a
diversity
of
wildlife
habitat
and
promotes
an
environmental
ethic.
Next
slide,
please,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
key
takeaways
slide,
city
staff
did
create
a
process
that
included
what
we
called
an
open
space
task
force,
and
this
was
created
earlier
on
in
this
year
as
a
way
to
kind
of
bring
together
representatives
from
different
boards
and
commissions
in
the
city
that
might
have
different
interests
or
priorities.
C
So
the
purpose
of
this
task
force
was
to
evaluate
the
standards
that
staff
had
worked
on
the
prior
year
and
to
provide
additional
recommendations
and
city
staff
mainly
acted
in
a
facilitation
role
and
provided
technical
support
to
the
task
force.
But
the
task
force
members
were
the
ones
that
each
meeting
would
would
kind
of
work
through
a
consensus,
building
type
process
to
get
through
any
any
differences
of
opinion.
That
did
happen
sometimes
during
this
process.
C
But
ultimately
we
feel
this
was
a
successful
process
in
which
we
were
able
to
improve
our
draft
open
space
standards
based
on
the
input
and
feedback
and
and
volunteerism
that
the
task
force
provided
next
slide.
Please
so
in
evaluating
kind
of
the
why
we
looked
at
our
open
space
standards,
we
looked
at
asheville
today,
which
is
the
second
from
the
right
you
can
kind
of
see
asheville
today
and
then
what
we're
proposing
for
residential,
open
space
requirements.
C
When
you
look
today,
asheville
requires
between
15
to
around
75
percent,
potentially
for
open
space
next
slide,
please.
C
What
we're
proposing
is
to
reduce
that
open
space
from
a
range
of
five
percent
to
up
to
50
and
I'll
go
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
in
the
next
few
slides.
But
first
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
again,
the
blue
bar
on
this
chart
shows
the
kind
of
the
low
end
and
that
what
we're
proposing
with
our
reduction
in
open
space
to
five
percent
for
residential
projects
is
really
in
line
with
industry
standards.
C
C
If
we
had
applied
it
to
this
project
today,
compared
to
what
we're
proposing
as
part
of
the
new
changes
to
the
open
space
regulations
under
the
current
requirements,
you
can
see
on
the
left
over
75
of
the
site
would
be
required
to
provide
open
space,
and
this
is
exactly
the
kind
of
example
that
we're
trying
to
trying
to
avoid
that.
C
It's
acting
as
a
barrier
to,
in
particular,
small
scale,
missing
middle
or
infill
housing
type
of
developments,
so
under
the
proposed
standards
for
this
option,
that
same
project
would
be
required
to
provide
just
2
000
square
feet
of
open
space
compared
to
10
000
square
feet,
and
you
can
see
kind
of
in
relation
to
the
lot
size
staff
feels
it's
a
much
more
reasonable
ratio
that
the
amount
of
open
space
is
still
reasonable
in
line
with
kind
of
industry
standards
for
what
other
cities
are
requiring
for
minimum
open
space
for
residential
projects
and
will
allow
a
building
and
parking
and
other
site
infrastructure
to
be
constructed
next
slide.
C
Please,
let's
take
a
quick
look
at
the
open
space
requirements
regarding
commercial
land
uses
so
again,
asheville
today
is
the
second
from
the
right
and
we're
showing
a
low
on
the
low
end
to
a
high
end
of
how
much
commercial,
commercial
land
use
development
would
require
for
open
space,
and
the
range
again
is
somewhere
between
about
five
percent
to
fifteen
percent
today
and
what
we're
proposing
is
five
percent
to
fifty
percent
and
I'll
explain
why
that,
on
the
high
end,
why
we
will
be
requiring
that
much
with
this
new
open
space
standard?
C
So
this
is
highlighting
the
the
reason
for
the
50
requirement
of
open
space
for
certain
types
of
uses
and
what
we're
trying
to
encourage.
This
is
basically
captures
in
a
very
abbreviated
way.
C
What
we
are
proposing
for
our
new
open
space
standards,
it's
divided
by
the
development
type,
so
there
are
different
open
space
requirements
for
multi-family
residential
compared
to
a
subdivision
or
compared
to
a
non-residential
use
or
mixed-use
development,
and
we've
highlighted
for
one
acre
or
more
that
we
would
actually
would
be
increasing
the
required
open
space
to
50
percent
for
certain
types
of
land
uses
such
as
multi-family
non-residential
and
mixed
use.
But
the
reason
for
that
is
because
we
are
actually
trying
to
encourage
better
stormwater
management
standards.
C
So
what
we're
saying
with
our
proposed
open
space
requirements
is
that
your
open
space
may
be
reduced
from
50
for
those
land
uses
and
be
reduced
down
to
the
to
the
column,
to
the
left,
to
those
other
ranges
anywhere
from
five
percent
to
20
or
multi-family,
or
five
to
ten
percent
open
space
required
for
non-residential
or
mixed
use.
D
C
The
reason
is,
it's
really
a
strong
incentive
to
provide
better
stormwater
management
that
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do.
We
actually
would
prefer
that
a
developer
not
provide
50,
but
that
they
instead
elect
to
improve
the
stormwater
infrastructure
on
their
site,
and
this
slide
maybe
captures
that
a
little
bit
more
if
I
can
walk
through
it
and
that's
basically
under
current
regulations,
they're
limited
by
the
state
of
north
carolina
in
regards
to
how
we
treat
stormwater
management
on
sites.
C
If
this
site
were
to
be
redeveloped
today,
they
would
not
be
required
to
follow
our
stormwater
management
regulations,
because
this
you're
you're
basically
required
to
only
provide
stormwater
when
you
are
increasing
the
amount
of
impervious
coverage
on
your
site
or
the
amount
of
pavement.
C
So
under
our
new
open
space
standards,
we're
basically
saying
that
for
a
site
that
is
100
or
close
to
100
developed
with
all
impervious
cover
coverage
like
this
site
today,
they
would
have
to
provide
50
open
space
or
they
could
reduce
it
all.
The
way
down
to
potentially
5
percent
for
commercial,
but
only
if
they
include
better
stormwater
detention,
and
especially
this
is
a
great
example.
C
I
think,
because
along
patton
avenue,
as
we
all
know,
does
have
flooding
issues
and
there's
a
lot
of
development
throughout
the
city
that
is
contributing
to
nuisance,
flooding
that
we
see
throughout
the
city.
So
basically
the
50
requirement
for
open
space
for
a
site
like
this
is
really
meant
to
act
as
an
incentive
to
provide
better
stormwater
management.
C
And
this
slide
just
kind
of
demonstrates
why
we're
looking
at
storm
water?
This
is
a
map
that
is
from
our
climate
resiliency
study
for
the
city
that
was
prepared
by
nemac
and
is
in
the
appendix
of
the
living
national
comprehensive
plan,
and
it
just
highlights
the
kind
of
the
areas
in
the
city
that
are
experiencing
nuisance
flooding
today
and
why
we
wanted
to
really
look
creatively
at
better
managing
stormwater
management
and
again
we
have
very
few
tools
to
actually
accomplish
that
and
I
think
another
important
takeaway
from
this
map
is
it
just.
C
It
does
highlight
some
of
the
the
neighborhoods
that
are
most
vulnerable
to
nuisance,
flooding
such
as
shiloh
and
north
shiloh
grove
park,
melbourne
hills
and
the
downtown
area.
So
again,
these
are
kind
of
the
rationale
or
impetus
for
why
we
want
to
take
a
look
at
stormwater
as
a
part
of
these
open
space
standards.
C
C
If
you,
you
include
a
number
of
different
criteria,
and
that
is
that
seventy
percent
of
the
open
space
is
contiguous
that
it's
next
to
each
other.
What
we
don't
want
to
see-
and
what
we
often
see
today,
is
that
open
space
is
kind
of
scattered
throughout
the
site,
and
it's
not
very
usable
when
it's
designed
that
way.
C
We
want
that
open
space
to
be
generally
rectangular
in
shape
and
again
that
that
would
make
it
more
usable
to
people
we're
saying
that
75
percent
of
the
open
space
is
five
percent,
has
a
slope
of
five
percent
or
less
in
order
for
open
space
to
be
accessible
to
people
again,
it
should
be
located
on
on
slopes
that
are
not
as
severe
as
we
see
today
on
many
development
sites.
C
And,
finally,
if
you
provide
a
certain
amount
of
seating
as
part
of
your
open
space
design,
so
basically
in
aggregate
all
of
these
requirements
would
allow
you
to
reduce
your
open
space
by
five
percent
council
internet.
B
B
Sage-
and
I
look
a
lot
like
god
so
with
open
space
just
to
clarify
this-
doesn't
have
to
be
open
to
the
public.
It
just
needs
to
be
open
to
whoever
has
access
to
the
individual
property
right,
that's
correct,
it
could
still
be
fenced
in
or
something
I
mean
you
know
like
the
the
project
you
showed
at
the
very
beginning.
That
whole
perimeter,
I
believe,
is
all
fenced
in
at
this
point.
So
that's
just
my
question.
C
C
So
this
just
kind
of
demonstrates
some
of
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
with
that
more
usable,
open
space
you
can
see
these
are
flatter
areas,
probably
not
very
indicative
of
our
topography
here
in
asheville,
but
kind
of
what
we're
what
we're
aiming
for
that
again,
it's
only
an
incentive
that,
if
you're
able
to
provide
open
space
on
your
private
development
site
in
a
way
that's
more
accessible
to
the
people
that
are
either
living
there
or
working
there.
C
B
Todd
I'm
sorry
and
the
each
of
the
two
slides
ago,
when
you
listed
those
four
criteria,
I
mean
they,
they
could
reduce
it
by
five
percent.
For
each
of
these
right
I
mean
so
theoretically,
if
they
were
able
to
provide
all
of
these,
they
could
reduce
their
their
open
space
requirement
by
20
percent.
C
C
The
this
slide
just
kind
of
demonstrates
some
of
the
open
space
task
force
led
deliverables
and
changes
that
we
made
based
on
our
conversations
with
the
task
force,
and
I
won't
necessarily
go
through
all
of
these.
But
I'll
highlight
a
few,
and
one
of
them
is
that
open
space
would
now
be
required
for
industrial
zoning
districts
where
we
have
no
open
space
requirements
today.
C
It
would
be
very
low,
though
it
would
be
that
again
that
five
to
ten
percent
range,
which
I
think
most
industrial
sites,
generally
kind
of,
provide
something
close
to
that
today
anyway,
that
open
space
cannot
exceed
50,
hardscape
or
impervious
and
the
intent
there
is
that
we
we
would
allow
some
hardscape
to
count
toward
your
open
space
requirement,
but
not
all
of
it.
C
And
then
in
the
rad
open
space
zoning
district.
We
did
work
on
a
number
of
different
requirements
that
would
strengthen
open
space
and
and
pervious
areas
in
that
in
that
zoning
district
in
the
river
arts
district,
and
that
does
include
rezoning
two
city
properties
to
to
rma
and
that
the
reason
for
that
was
that
we
are
not
requiring
open
space
in
the
river
arts
district
for
private
development.
C
We
also
don't
require
open
space
in
the
central
business
district
today
that
would
remain
under
the
proposed
open
space
standards,
but
I
think
some
of
the
give
and
take
with
the
open
space
task
force
members
is
that
to
recognize
that
there
were
some
other
ways
that
we
could
improve
open
space
in
the
river
arts
district
without
explicitly
requiring
it,
and
that
also
includes
having
a
reducing
the
building
coverage
slightly
in
some
areas
in
the
river
arts
district
and
requiring
a
new
impervious
surface
standard.
B
Question
with
and
and
it
just
brings
to
mind
the
river
arts
district
and
the
fact
that
you
know
there's
you
know
potentially
they're
on
flood
in
flood
plains
or
whatever
you
call
it,
could
an
open
space
be
like
you
know,
on
the
second
floor
on
the
first
on
the
ground
level,
and
then
you
have
a
building
up
above
it
so
like,
for
example,
you
know
if
you
were
in
a
flood
zone
or
something
like
that
and
you
you
know,
weren't
building
on
the
first
floor,
could
you
count
that
ground
space
as
open
space.
C
We
we
do
allow
a
certain
percentage
of
a
like
a
rooftop
garden
to
be
used
or
to
count
toward
your
open
space,
your
provision
of
open
space
in
the
new
standards
we
we
do
not
allow
some
areas
to
be
counted
as
open
space,
and
one
of
those
includes
like
a
fenced
stormwater
pond.
For
example,
I'd
have
to
take
a
look
at
whether
we
would
allow
like
a
floodplain
to
count.
C
I
know
under
the
old
regulations
a
flood
plain
could
count,
I
think,
up
to
50
percent
of
your
open
space
requirement.
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
still
in
the
proposed
standards,
but
I
know
interior
parking
lot.
Islands
is
something
else
that
we
would
prohibit
from
counting
toward
your
open
space.
So
there's
kind
of
again,
depending
upon
the
type
of
open
space
that's
required.
C
We
sometimes
allow
some
of
those
types
of
open
space
to
count
toward
a
portion
of
your
of
your
requirement,
but
other
types
we
don't
allow
to
be
included.
C
The
the
last
point
I
wanted
to
make
a
councilman
turner.
C
Okay,
so
the
last
point
on
this
slide
and
we
highlighted
on
the
last
bullet-
and
that
is
that
a
subcommittee
was
created
toward
the
end
of
this
process
of
the
open
space
task
force
to
improve
tree
planting
standards
and
processes,
and
that
was
done
in
exchange
for
providing
open
space
in
the
central
business
district.
So
there
were
several
representatives
on
the
open
space
task
force
that
wanted
to
see
open
space
added
as
a
requirement
in
downtown.
C
Ultimately,
that
was
not
included
in
the
the
draft
regulations,
but
instead
the
subcommittee
has
been
looking
at
ways
to
improve
tree
planting
standards
and
landscaping
standards,
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we've
been
working
on
and
plan
to
to
present
to
you
all
in
the
coming
months.
D
Well,
I'm
just
thinking
I'm
thinking
about
the
50
and
the
potential
for
a
five
percent
reduction
and
how
that
five
percent
is
a
pretty
small
number.
Has
there
been
any
thought
around,
you
know
if
you
achieve
certain
affordability
or
you
know
these,
because
what
we're
seeing
is,
I
don't
remember
the
how
many
slides
back,
but
we
know,
there's
no
open
space
requirement
right
now
up
to
eight
units,
and
then
you
grab
the
next
section
8
to
19
and
so
on.
D
But
when
you
get
to
the
larger
number
of
units
or
over
an
acre
you're
automatically
cutting
the
property
in
half.
So
I'm
wondering
you
know:
how
does
this
impact
utilities
setbacks
and
stuff?
And
maybe
there
could
be
an
example
when
it
comes
to
council,
because
by
the
time
you
take
a
acre
or
property
or
an
acre
and
a
half,
and
you
pull
the
20
feet
for
the
multi-family
setback
on
every
side,
you've
got
utilities
and
your
tree
plantings,
and
now
this
open
space,
I'm
just
wondering
like
how
much
is
left
to
build.
D
C
We
can
go,
maybe
some
examples.
If
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide
I
might
be
able
to.
I
think
it's
the
next
slide
that
this
just
kind
of
shows
that
comparison
of
what
their
open
space
requirements
are
today
versus
what
is
proposed
and
to
clarify
with
that
50
requirement
for
sites
over
one
acre.
C
You
can
reduce
it
down
to
five
percent,
not
not
by
five
percent.
So
if
you
provide
that
stormwater
management
on
your
site,
it
it
it
it
gets
reduced
to
whatever
the
requirement
is
for
sites
that
are
under
one
acre.
C
So,
to
give
you
an
example,
a
one
acre
site
with
50
or
more
units
would
require
50
open
space.
But
if
you
provide
stormwater
management
on
your
site,
you
can
reduce
it
to
15
to
20
percent
or
if
you
had
an
acre
site
that
had
8
to
nineteen
units
instead
of
fifty
percent
open
space,
you
can
reduce
it
all
the
way
down
to
five
to
ten
percent
and
it's
ten
percent.
But
if
you
provide
a
better
design
of
that
open
space,
you
get
that
additional
reduction
down
to
five
percent.
C
So
it
is
a
substantial
reduction.
If
you
provide
that
stormwater
management.
D
C
That
helps
councilwoman
whistler.
B
Sorry
I
I
was
trying
to
get
through
a
day
without
someone
saying
that
to
me,
I'm
a
little
because
I
mean
I
appreciate
the
affordable
housing
here,
but
I
mean
no
that
they
would
have
no
stormwater
standard.
B
That
I
mean
you
know,
I'm
I'm
pretty
concerned
that
there
would
be
none.
I
mean
I,
I
know
it's
a
balance
and
I
know
we
want
to
you
know
clearly
incentivize
affordable
housing,
but
I
just
that's.
That's
a
concern
to
me
that
you
know
they'd
be
just
completely
exempt.
C
Yeah,
so
that's
a
good
point
so
again
as
a
reminder
today,
if
you
have
an
affordable
housing
development
site,
that's
mainly
impervious
today,
they
don't
have
to
provide
if
they
redevelop
it,
they
don't
have
to
provide
any
stormwater
management.
Now
the
stormwater
management
standards
will
still
apply
to
these
sites.
C
What
we're
trying
to
say
here,
though,
is
that,
if
your
affordable
housing
site
of
over
one
acre,
instead
of
you,
know
having
that
that
50
open
space
provision
that
affordable
housing
site
can
just
do
the
like
the
five
to
twenty
percent
open
space
and
that
they
don't
have
to
install
that
more
expensive
stormwater
infrastructure.
C
Now,
if
that
site
on
that,
affordable
housing
site
is
say,
maybe
a
green
property
and
they're
going
to
develop
it
they'll
still
be
subject
to
our
normal
stormwater
requirements.
C
It's
really
it's
just
it's
just
in
our
open
space
standards
we
would
not
require
or
or
allow
that
that
stormwater
exemption
or
that
50
requirement
that
affordable
housing
project
would
just
be
required
to
provide
the
same
amount
of
open
space
for
sites
that
are
under
one
acre.
B
C
You're
doing
exactly
yeah
that
it's
just
that
higher
bar
that
50,
open
space
would
would
not
apply
to
affordable
housing
and
again
and
if
you
provide
for
other
types
of
land
uses.
If
you
provide
that
stormwater
management
that
also
you
know,
gets
you
to
reduce
down
from
that
50
down
to
a
much
lower
open
space
requirement,
standard.
C
Again,
yeah.
What
we're
really
trying
to
do
here
is
encourage
people
to
to
provide
stormwater
management,
and
you
get
that
that
really
great
reduction
and
we're
trying
not
to
negatively
impact
affordable
housing.
D
Sure
I
just
want
to
share
two
pieces
of
input
that
I
received
when
I
was
talking
to
like
smaller
scale
developers
that
might
do
an
infill
project
and
one
was
a
question
around.
What
does
this
mean
for
single
family
home
neighborhoods?
You
know,
we've
got
lots
of
neighborhoods
going
in
this
doesn't
seem
to
address
that,
or
maybe
I
missed
it
if
it
did
and
the
other
question
they
shared
was
when
you're
adjacent
to
a
park.
Could
there
be
a
reduction,
it's
kind
of
like
we
do
for
bus
stops
and
parking
requirements?
D
C
Two
good
comments,
so
the
first
one
related
to
kind
of
the
the
single
family
type
development.
So
we
do
have
a
requirement
for
for
new
subdivisions,
and
we
do
have
like
definitions
where
we
consider
a
minor
versus
a
major
subdivision
but
single-family
homes
today,
really
the
open
space
for
those
properties,
just
for
like
one
unit,
is
really
regulated
by
the
the
buffers
that
are
required.
You
know
on
that
site.
C
That's
kind
of
the
intent
there
with
that
type
of
single
family
development
and,
again,
once
you
you
get
into
that
subdivision
definition,
you
would
be
required
to
provide
more
open
space
and
then
the
other
recommendation.
That
was
something
that
I
know
that
the
open
space
task
force
did
consider.
C
Was
you
know
if
you,
if
you
have
a
development,
that's
located
next
to
a
park?
Could
you
get
like
a
further
exemption?
Ultimately,
it
was
decided
that
that
should
not
be
included.
C
I
I
think
the
reason
for
that
might
be
that
we
really
tried
to
to
focus
our
efforts
on
the
reducing
the
requirement
for
open
space
if
you
provide
stormwater,
because
we
just
don't
have
any
way
of
getting
sites
to
comply
with
like
a
better
stormwater
management
requirement
and
then
the
second
focus
was
affordable
housing
and
we
really
just
wanted
to
try
to
keep
it
focused
on
those
two
areas
as
a
way
to
incentivize
and
support
that
type
of
development.
D
C
New
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
check
to
see
if
they
were
one
of
the
groups
that
we
could
reach
out
to
we'll
make
sure
to
do
that.
C
C
Several
boards
and
commissions,
not
all,
but
several
of
them
have
voted
to
give
like
a
letter
of
support.
We
receive
that
from
some
of
those
boards
and
commissions,
and
we
are
waiting
for
the
other
boards
to
consider
whether
they
want
to
do
that
as
well
and
in
december
we
do
have
a
scheduled
planning.
Zoning
commission,
public
hearing
and
then
in
january,
is
our
tenant
of
date
to
present
this
to
city
council
at
a
public
hearing.
A
Yes,
I
was
just
wondering:
has
there
been
some
kind
of
cost
analysis
for
this
particular
program?
How
much
money
will
save
the
city,
basically
with
the
stormwater,
by
having
a
program
like
this.
C
I
I
don't
believe
we
we've
done
like
a
cost.
You
know
benefit
type
type
analysis
for
stormwater.
I'd
have
to
see
if
that's
something
that
we
would
be
able
to
to
maybe
look
at
or
not
that's
a.
That
is
a
good
question,
but
I'm
I'm
not
sure
if
we
would
be
able
to
to
do
that.
I
think
you
know
our
our
primary
goal
here
is
to
we're
obviously
suggesting
to
reduce,
generally
speaking,
open
space
standards
to
align
with
our
infill
housing
goals
and
then
the
stormwater
incentive.
C
You
know
it
would
impact
kind
of
the
private
property,
obviously,
but
but
we
I'm
not
sure
what
what
kind
of
financial
impact
that
would
have
maybe
on
our
own
stormwater
system,
but
but
I
would
imagine
that
if
more
private
development
sites
took
advantage
and
provided
better
stormwater
management
on
their
site,
that
I
do
think
it
would
have
a
positive
impact
on
the
city's
public
stormwater
infrastructure.
A
B
Todd,
I
wonder-
and
you
know
not
not
specifically
related
to
this,
but
well
kind
of
you
know
when
when
you
showed
the
areas
that
were
subject
to
nuisance
floodings-
and
you
know
I
certainly
like
think
of
the
growth
park
area
as
pretty
developed.
You
know
it's
it's
kind
of
highly.
B
I
mean
sort
of
hard
to
imagine
that
they're
going
to
develop
it
a
whole
lot
more
unless
they
want
to.
You
know,
take
out
the
golf
course
which
don't
even
raise
that
issue,
but
I
wonder
if
there's
anything
we
could
do
to
incent.
B
Currently
developed
areas
to
you
know
redo,
maybe
impervious
surfaces
or
improve
their
stormwater
management.
B
Even
if
it's
not
in
connection
with
a
big
redevelopment,
you
know
if,
if,
if
there's
a
way
to
you
know
even
even
homeowners,
maybe
you
know
if
just
I
don't
know
it
would
be
something
to
think
about
because
I
you
know
this
is
all
about
kind
of
new
development,
and
you
know
we've
got
situations
that
are
frankly
just
kind
of
there
and
not
great,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
know
if
that
would
be
legal
or
if
there's
any
thought
put
into
incentivizing
people
to
fix
what
they
just
they
have.
C
Just
absolutely
that's
a
great
great
recommendation,
something
that
we
can
look
at
for
other
types
of
zoning
amendments
that
we
make
in
the
future
and
future
text
amendments.
C
A
I
was
just
concerned
todd
you
were
talking
about
updating
the
zoning
text
or
whatever
I
was
just
wondering.
Where
are
we
on?
Maybe
the
zoning
changing
the
zoning
we
have
multi
or
units
update
that
zoning
in
some
areas,
where
we
have
single
family
to
multi-family,
where
we
can
get
more
of
the
triflex
fourplex
duplex
properties,
because
that's
really
something
that
we
really
don't
have
a
lot
up
here.
I
was
just
wondering
where
I'll
be
on
that.
C
Absolutely
great
great
question:
we
we
definitely
have
a
lot
of
interest
in
amongst
city
staff
to
try
to
tackle
a
zoning
amendment
now
and
zoning
district
kind
of
analysis
like
that.
It's
something
we
kind
of
have
right
now,
a
a
working
team
of
different
departments
that
have
been
looking
at
creating
a
very
large
list
of
a
lot
of
different
zoning
amendments
that
we'd
like
to
make
in
the
future,
and
we've
been
kind
of
incrementally
trying
to
tackle
some
of
those.
You
know
every
year
for
able
to.
C
I
think
the
looking
at
all
of
our
residential
zoning
districts,
in
particular
single
family
districts
and
seeing
if
there
are
ways
to
introduce
other
types
of
missing
middle
housing,
is
something
that's
that's
kind
of
risen
up
to
the
top,
probably
in
the
last
year
or
so
is
something
that
we'd
like
to
take
a
look
at
and
and
we're
just
trying
to
develop
a
plan
internally
for
how
we
might
be
able
to
to
do
that,
whether
that's
an
internal
project
that
we
can
accomplish,
or
whether
it's
something
that
we
we
might
ask,
and
maybe,
as
part
of
the
budget
cycle,
ask
council
to
consider
funding
like
a
study.
C
Some
cities,
like
greenville,
south
carolina
and
norfolk
virginia,
have
done
really
fantastic
analyses
of
their
single-family
zoning
districts
and
in
all
their
zoning
residential
zoning
districts,
to
identify
additional
regulatory
barriers
that
are
stopping
those
types
of
missing
middle
housing
from
being
developed.
C
And
it's
it's
something
that
we
we
might
want
to
look
at
as
a
model
here.
I
think
one
thing
that
we
really
liked
that
greenville
and
norfolk
did
is
that
it
wasn't
just
a
city-led
kind
of
effort,
but
they
built
a
whole
coalition
of
other
organizations
in
the
city
and
really
trying
to
tackle
that
that
issue-
and
I
thought
that
was
really
helpful
in
terms
of
getting
those
cities
to
maybe
think
outside
the
box,
about
some
zoning
changes
that
they
can
make
to
try
to
encourage
more
of
that
missing
middle
housing.
C
No
action,
they
just
you
know
a
few
head
nods.
If
we're,
maybe
we're
heading
in
the
right
direction
again.
We
we
do
hope
to
present
this
to
playing
zoning
commission
in
december
and
then
come
to
you
all
in
january
and
again
we
we
really
enjoyed
the
process
that
we
had.
C
I
definitely
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
the
representatives
of
the
open
space
task
force
that
devoted
a
lot
of
their
time,
and
I
think
it
was
over
16
meetings
to
try
to
make
this
this
text
amendment
better
and
I
think
it
it.
We
achieved
kind
of
what
we
sought
out
to
do
and
having
different
representatives
again
with
different
priorities,
get
in
the
same
room
and
hash
it
out.
So
I
think
it's
really
improved
the
draft
code
that
we
have
and
we're
proud
of
it.
B
D
Has
not
it
hasn't,
I'm
still
living
in
the
past
yesterday.
I
am
curious
about
some
examples,
so
todd
so
maybe
I
could
plug
that
a
little
bit
more
when
it
comes
to
council
we've
got
time,
but
you
know
even
like
on
a
recent
one
like
what
would
have
happened
at
1
30
charlotte
street.
Had
this
been
in
place,
it'd
be
an
interesting
question.
C
Absolutely
we
could
definitely
take
a
look
at
that
example,
or
if
you
have
any
you
know
specific
sites.
You
would
like
us
to
look
at
feel
free
to
send
those
and
we'll
be
happy
to
take
a
look.
B
B
Unbelievable,
I'm
sure
they're
all
watching
they're,
just
not
in
the
speaker
queue.
We
probably
have
thousands
thousands.
I
tell
you
so
I
will
close
the
public
comment
and
go
ahead
and
adjourn
the
meeting.
B
Thank
you
kathy
for
always
supporting
this
committee
yeah,
not
only
on
this
committee,
but
all
over
the
place.