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B
Good
afternoon,
I'm
vice
mayor,
shanika
smith
and
chair
of
the
public
safety
committee,
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
our
june
1st
meeting.
This
meeting
was
originally
scheduled
for
may
25th,
but
was
rescheduled
to
today
due
to
technical
difficulties.
We
appreciate
everyone's
patience.
All
council,
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
our
stage
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
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B
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855-925-2801
meeting
code
9477,
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pressing
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to
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to
listen,
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and
join
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cube,
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stated
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the
agenda.
Public
comment
will
now
be
heard
at
the
beginning
and
the
end
of
the
public
safety
meeting.
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may
call
only
once
during
the
general
public
comment
sessions
either
during
the
beginning
or
the
end
of
public.
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public
comment
period,
but
not
both.
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would
take
public
comment
for
30
minutes
during
each
of
these
comment.
Periods.
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will
have
three
minutes
each.
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will
be
taking
public
comment
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and
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introductions
on
today.
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if
you
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like
to
comment
make
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comment,
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by
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3.,
if
you're
watching
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B
While
you
are
listening
to
the
meeting
by
phone,
please
be
sure
to
turn
down
the
volume
on
your
device.
Before
speaking,
I
will
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
please.
Please
make
sure
that
you
keep
your
microphone
muted
if
you
are
not
speaking
counseling
staff,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello,
councilwoman,
kilgore,
hello,
councilwoman,
kim
rony,
hello
city
manager,
deborah
campbell
city
attorney,
brad,
branham,
hello,
everyone,
police,
chief,
david
zack
good
afternoon,
fire
chief,
scott.
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B
A
Yes,
I'll
bring
the
first
caller
in
now,
and
I
will
let
you
know
when
we
reach
the
last
caller
or
30
minutes.
Whichever
comes
first.
E
A
F
Yet
there
are
some
who,
though,
of
those
who
want
to
paint
us
as
some
evil
other
you
know
those
people
who
are
trying
to
shut
down
music
in
asheville
nope
we're
some
of
the
many
ash
billions
who
wholeheartedly
support
the
local
music
scene.
We
go
to
shows
we
buy
local,
we
stay
local,
we're
not
anti-music.
F
So
what
are
we
supposedly
against?
It's?
Certainly
not
the
existing
pre-coveted
music
scene,
the
one
that
gave
us
our
top
10
listing.
It
is
very
simply
the
public
health
issue
created
by
excessive
noise,
not
addressed
in
the
proposed
noise
ordinance
correctly.
The
sound,
decedents
and
requested
frequency
of
events
are
not
to
support
local
musicians.
It's
to
support
bigger
touring
groups.
It's
to
bring
in
bigger
crowds.
F
It
will
test
the
city's
capacity
to
keep
the
public
safe
with
a
greatly
reduced
police
force,
and
it
will
test
the
limits
of
livability
with
noise
levels
at
our
homes
that
reach
osha's
danger
zone,
85
decibels.
That's
a
recognized
health
issue
for
all
the
public.
Excessive
noise
contributes
to
diabetes,
hypertension,
cardiovascular
disease,
sleep
disturbance,
depression
stress
as
well
as
hearing
loss.
This
isn't
some
wealthy
condo
owner's
issue.
The
city
recently
purchased
the
property
directly
adjacent
to
downtown's
only
outdoor
performance
venue
with
the
intention
of
building
affordable
housing
there.
F
The
proposed
sound
exceedance
of
85
decibels
at
all
our
homes
is
simply
too
much
try
to
imagine
a
running
gas-powered
leaf,
blower
next
to
your
head.
While
you
talk
to
someone
on
the
phone
or
watch
tv
or
have
a
conversation,
that's
what
you're
asking
us
to
endure
in
our
homes
and
the
comparison
of
85
decibels
to
a
leaf.
Blower
is
not
an
exaggeration.
It's
a
recognized
cdc
decibel
equivalent.
F
Additionally,
cities
with
loud
entertainment
districts
have
seen
residents
in
those
areas,
convert
their
homes
to
short-term
rentals
as
they're
no
longer
conducive
to
everyday
living.
This
city
correctly
decries
scr's
as
a
major
contributor
to
high
housing
costs,
but
this
ordinance
sets
up
downtown
for
little
else
on
a
much
faster
and
more
uncontrollable
trajectory
than
you
can
imagine.
F
Asheville
is
music
and
mountains
and
art
and
beer,
but
mostly
it
is
about
the
people
here.
Those
who
love
this
city
and
have
chosen
to
make
it
their
own.
We
celebrate
local
if
you
want
austin,
go
to
austin
or
nashville
or
new
orleans,
but
if
you
want
asheville,
let's
remember
what
makes
us
so
special.
Let's
remember
why
we
attract
so
many
tourists
and
why
we
became
a
top
10
music
city
in
the
first
place.
Why
are
we
trying
to
compete
with
these
other
cities
when
we're
really
good
at
being
ourselves?
F
A
Can
you
start
over,
we
missed
the
first
part
of
that.
G
Oh,
I'm
sorry
sure
we
all
said
yes.
G
I've
worked
for
about
35
years
as
a
professional
in
occupational
health,
and
one
aspect
of
that
work
has
been
to
measure
noise,
exposures
in
the
workplace
and
evaluate
riff
to
those
exposures
from
those
exposures.
I've
also
done
some
consulting
work
with
towns
in
the
northeast
regarding
enforcement
of
their
noise
ordinances.
G
So
what
about
our
proposed
noise
ordinance?
First,
I
think
it's
great
that
the
city
is
attempting
to
move
towards
objective
criteria,
establishing
sound
limits.
G
G
I
also
want
to
touch
on
the
sound
exceedance
limit,
which
would
provide
an
exception
to
the
standard
by
allowing
essentially
the
music
industry
to
expose
residences
to
up
to
85
db
of
noise
up
to
12
hours
a
day
and
for
something
like
20
to
30
days
per
year.
As
the
first
speaker
said,
this
is
the
occupational
noise
dance
standard
throughout
the
world.
G
The
fact
that
it
even
appears
in
a
community
noise
ordinance
is
really
absurd.
It
does
present
some
risk
of
hearing
loss
now,
charlotte
and
austin
in
their
noise
ordinances.
Both.
H
Hello,
can
you
all
hear
me
we
can
hear
you.
Thank
you
excellent.
Everyone
wants
to
talk
about
the
ordinances
I'm
going
to
talk
about
something
else.
I
grew
up
in
an
abusive
household
with
a
military
father,
so
I
have
intimate
understanding
of
the
psychology
of
authority
figures
drunk
on
power
and
violence.
H
H
It's
a
similar
pattern
of
abuse
now
at
work
with
the
way
the
city
of
asheville
has
handled
the
investigation
into
last
year's
protests.
In
the
wake
of
george
floyd's
death,
apd
literally
dropped
a
300
page
report
just
hours
before
this
committee
met
back
in
march
and
then
the
city
canceled
the
april
meeting.
So
I
find
it
fitting.
This
meeting
falls
right.
On
the
anniversary
of
the
day,
apd
was
gearing
up
to
brutalize
its
citizens.
H
It
seems
no
one
wants
to
talk
about
what
happened.
Part
of
the
sham
investigation
was
supposed
to
include
an
element
of
public
participation,
so
the
community
could
tell
its
side
of
the
story.
I
know
chairman
smith
has
asked
the
city
manager
about
that
multiple
times
now
to
no
avail.
I
mean
this
committee
even
went
so
far
as
to
block
testimony
from
the
attorney
representing
over
20
people
who
filed
use
of
force,
complaints
against
apd.
H
So
if
you
aren't
going
to
talk
about
what
happened,
I
will
this
investigation
came
in
two
parts.
The
first
internal
internal
review
by
the
city
attorney
showed
that
ms
campbell,
who
we
pay
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
to
completely
abdicated
her
role
as
chief
conservator
of
peace
within
the
city
and
told
the
chief
of
police.
H
So,
let's
get
to
that
as
to
the
chiefs
leadership.
The
second
phase
of
this
investigation,
their
own
internal
review,
revealed
by
my
count
around
10
violations
of
apd
internal
policies,
including
failure
to
record
interagency
radio
traffic
failure
to
have
grenaders
activate
their
body-worn
cameras,
failure
to
have
officers
who
use
less
than
lethal
weapons,
complete
use
of
force
reports,
failure
to
keep
track
of
what
munitions
were
used,
failure
to
keep
track
of
other
agencies
and
departments,
participation.
H
I
A
Okay,
if
you
want
to
hang
up
and
then
rejoin
the
speaker,
queue
we'll
bring
you
in
at
the
end
comment
period.
J
Good
afternoon,
council,
I
appreciate
your
time.
I've
lived
and
worked
in
nashville
for
over
ten
years
in
the
entertainment
industry,
and
I
just
want
to
put
my
you
know:
efforts
behind
the
the
amp
coalition
and
the
common
sense
guidelines
that
they've
been
backing
for
any
sort
of
noise
ordinance.
You
know,
as
far
as
identifying
with
the
spirit
of
asheville
sitting
on
my
porch
on
french,
broad
avenue
and
hearing
you
know
the
booms
of
a
tourist
game
or
downtown
after
five
in
the
distance
has
always.
J
K
L
Hello,
the
council
and
everybody
else
on
this
call.
My
name
is
josh
blake,
I'm
a
musician
and
producer
and
engineer
has
been
living
in
asheville
since
1997.,
and
I
wanted
to
address
the
new
noise
proposed
noise
ordinance
today
because,
as
written,
I
believe
it
would
be
detrimental
to
the
music
in
this
town
and
I'm
reacting
to
it
here
in
several
capacities.
L
As
the
director
of
the
asheville
all-star
show
for
downtown
after
five
as
a
friend
and
ally
to
all
my
music
venue,
owning
friends
and
people
who
work
there
and
there's
a
music
fan
who
enjoys
the
developed,
what
we've
developed
here,
culturally
and
as
a
father
who
chose
to
raise
his
children
in
a
city
with
a
vibrant,
music
and
arts
community
and
I'll
start
by
saying,
I
believe
I
can
speak
for
the
music
industry
as
a
whole.
L
When
I
say
we
wish
to
be
good,
neighbors
and
proud
contributors
to
our
city,
I
can
say
as
a
touring
musician,
but
I've
seen
the
music
scenes
all
over
this
country,
and
the
one
we've
created
here
in
asheville
is
truly
unique
and
special.
I've
never
taken
that
for
granted,
and
I
hope
in
regards
to
this
ordinance
ordinance,
the
city
won't
either
and
as
it's
written,
the
new
noise
ordinance
would
be
absolutely
detrimental
to
the
lifeblood
of
the
music
scene.
L
In
this
town,
the
decibel
levels
noted
are
and
proposed
are
unrealistic
and
the
requirements
and
punishments
for
venue
owners
in
violation
are
absolutely
unreasonable
and
excessive.
There
are
some
venues
that
have
been
downtown
for
30
years.
Does
that
mean
they
now
need
to
cater
to
influx
of
new
residents?
L
The
most
inappropriate
part
of
this
ordinance
is
the
requirement
for
venue
to
close
its
doors
for
30
days
after
a
second
violation.
The
music
industry
in
this
town
is
a
huge
economic
driver
bringing
in
over
170
million
dollars
annually.
This
alone
should
be
a
testament
to
the
fact
that
closing
a
venue
for
30
days
would
have
a
ripple
effect.
That
is
unwarranted,
as
staff
gets
temporarily
laid
off.
Musicians
who
had
gigs
are
out
of
work.
L
Vendors
who
sell
things
at
that
venue
are
out
a
month's
worth
of
revenue
and
the
surrounding
restaurant
shops
and
hotels
all
suffer
because
of
this.
The
city
cannot
allow
residents
to
move
into
an
urban
area
than
complain
their
way
into
shutting
down
businesses
that
were
there
before
them.
There
are
several
venues
and
events
that
help
shaped
our
city's
vibrant
nightlife,
one
that
is
sought
after
by
visitors
all
over
the
globe.
They
should
be
considered
protected,
not
not
something
that
we
need
to
be
limiting
and
the
limit
of
the
events.
L
There's
a
limit
of
events
in
this
ordinance.
It's
also
unreasonable
for
people
who've
built
their
businesses
off
of
them.
There
should
be
no
limits
to
the
number
of
events.
A
venue
or
event
can
have
so
long
as
they're
being
good
neighbors.
There
are
no
conditions
in
this
ordinance
for
there's
no
conditions
in
this
ordinance
for
chronic
complainers.
M
Open
hello,
my
name
is
michael
martinez.
I'm
a
musician
in
town.
I've
been
calling
in
to
your
guys
meetings
now
for
about
a
year
and
a
half
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
and
I
think
that
this
is
just
as
worthy
of
a
phone
call
as
the
rest
of
them.
I
make
most
of
my
living
off
of
music
in
asheville.
M
I
visited
asheville
once
and
saw
the
music
scene
here
and
decided
that
this
is
where
my
home
was
that
this
is
where
I
can
grow
as
a
human
and
also,
as
mr
blake
said
in
the
previous
message,
and
be
a
good
neighbor,
and
I
think
I've
done
that,
and
I
think
that
I've,
you
know,
made
an
effort
to
to
really
build
help
build
the
music
community
here,
as
if
I
were
from
here,
because
I
respect
the
culture
that
was
built
here
before
me,
and
I
think
that
this
ordinance
will
not
only
you
know
vastly
affect
me
as
a
musician
and
producer
who
owns
a
studio
in
asheville,
who
has
gotten
national
press
as
a
band
for
asheville.
M
M
What
does
that
look
like
if,
if
people
can't
do
what
they
can,
what
what
their
profession
is
in
this
town,
you
know,
I
think
that
you
guys
all
have
a
duty
to
you
know
commit
to
the
people
that
have
been
here
and
not
rich
white
tourists
who
own
houses
in
asheville,
which
is
the
majority
of
the
complainers,
and
I
appreciate
you
all
for
listening.
I
hope
you
do
something
right.
You
know
I've
been
asked.
M
N
Hi,
my
name
is
alyssa
darrony.
I
live
in
woodson,
I've
been
here
for
eight
years
and
I'm
not
a
musician,
but
one
of
the
first
times
we
visited.
We
saw
the
drum
circle
and
it's
one
of
the
first
things
we
mentioned
to
people
when
they
visit.
It's
like
go
check
out
this
drum
circle
and
I
apologize.
I
haven't
had
time
to
read
over
in
detail
of
the
noise
ordinance
I
just
recently
heard
about
it.
So
if
I'm
speaking
to
things
that
aren't
going
to
be
affected,
then
please
forgive
that.
N
But
what
I
wanted
to
bring
up
was
a
little
memory
I
had
of
actually
new
orleans
and
a
vacation
I
took,
and
so
my
friend
and
I
visited,
and
we
had
all
these
plans
and
we
did
those
plans.
But
one
of
my
best
memories
was
something
that
wasn't
planned
and
we
were
just
outside
of
the
city
and
we
were
walking
home
and
it
was
probably
I
don't
know,
11
o'clock
at
night,
and
there
was
this
brass
band
on
the
street
on
the
corner
and
it
was
a
group
of
about
five
to
ten
young
men.
N
Just
you
could
tell
they
were
so
passionate
and
it
was.
You
could
just
feel
that
that
was
what
they
were
living
for
and
there
was
a
crowd
that
gathered.
It
was
pretty
big,
but
because
it
was
just
such
an
awesome
scene.
I
mean
the
cars
that
went
by
were
honking
and
it
was
just
in
a
happy
way
and
it
was
beautiful
and
had
there
been
a
noise
ordinance
in
that
town
that
ended
sound
before
then.
K
N
Move
more
in
that
direction
and
taking
something
putting
something
like
a
noise
ordinance
on
this
town.
Just
just
feels
wrong
on
so
many
levels,
because
it's
such
a
piece
of
our
culture
here
and
it
brings
a
vibrancy
and
a
flavor
to
this
town.
It
makes
it
different
from
other
cities,
and
the
last
thing
I
think
we
want
is
for
asheville
to
become
just
like
every
other
city.
B
All
right
that
concludes
public
comment.
I'll
go
on
to
ask
for
a
motion
for
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
B
Second,
okay:
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote
for
the
approval
of
the
motion.
Councilwoman
kilgore.
K
B
Okay,
councilwoman
rony,
yay,
okay
and
myself
I
and
minutes
approved
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
will
be
the
high
intensity,
drug
trafficking
area
grant
and
chief
david
zack
will
start
us
off
with
that
hi
chief.
How
are
you
good.
P
Afternoon
vice
mayor
members
of
council
and
city
staff
joining
me
here
today
is
deputy
chief
bomb
stark
and
deputy
chief
yelton.
We
are
presenting
on
several
issues
today,
but
first
on
our
agenda
is
the
high-intensity
drug
trafficking
area
program.
P
While
I
am
very
familiar
with
this
program,
I
thought
it
best,
so
we
could
have
a
clear
understanding
of
what
the
of
all
things
the
program
does.
We
brought
in
the
experts
so
joining
us
here
to
present
on
on
this
portion
is
donald
hansen
and
he
is
the
deputy
director
for
the
atlanta
carolinas
haida.
So
don
are
you
are
you
there?
I.
Q
Q
Okay,
well,
the
city
council,
thanks
for
having
me
here
today,
if
you
have
any
questions
when
I
go
through
this
by
all
means
just
jump
in
and
ask
I
tend
to
go
quick,
but
it's
important
that
I
give
you
a
good
flavor
of
what
the
haida
program
is
and
what
it
is
not
so
to
start
off
what
is
haida.
Haida
is
a
grant
program.
It's
a
reimbursable
grant
that
is
administered
by
the
office
of
national
drug
control
policy
on
dcp,
and
it
was
formed
to
battle
narcotics
in
the
90s.
Q
I
mean
that's
really
what
it
was
foreign,
but
it
was
formed
so
that
we
could
put
together
federal
state
and
local
task
forces
that
were
in
areas
that
were
having
significant
issues
with
drug
trafficking,
and
then
they
have
other
areas
that
they
are
related
to
that's
important
I'll,
get
into
that
a
little
bit
more,
how
certain
areas
become
a
haida,
but
it
was
about
really
battling
the
the
major
narcotics
distribution
of
narcotics
throughout
our
counties
in
certain
areas
go
on
one
more.
Q
So
what
haida
does
it
comes
in
to
support,
as
I
mentioned,
a
pre-established
enforcement
program?
In
our
case
throughout
north
carolina,
we
have
drug
enforcement
administrations,
task
forces
already
that
are
in
operation
and
we
join
with
them
because
they
have
all
the
infrastructure.
You
need
all
the
organization
you
need
to
conduct
investigations
at
the
highest
level.
Q
A
big
part
of
what
we
do
is
training.
Obviously
we
look
to
professionalize
our
enforcement
operations.
We
we
continue
to
train
both
those
that
are
involved
in
our
task
forces
and
those
that
are
involved
in
policing
at
all
levels.
You
can
always
go
on
to
the
atlanta
carolinas
haida
website,
and
you
see
the
type
of
training
we
offer,
which
is
the
gamut,
and
it's
about
training
people
to
be
leaders
and
to
train
people
to
do
the
job.
Q
The
way
that
we
all
expect
is
in
our
communities,
big,
also
a
large
part
of
what
we
do
in
intelligence
and
information
sharing
and
deconfliction.
Q
Obviously,
you
can
see
that
why
that's
important
and
that's
a
big
part
of
what
we
prom,
what
we
do
in
each
of
our
height,
especially
here
in
in
the
atlantic,
carolinas.
Obviously,
going
with
that
is
the
task
force
management
support.
We
also
have
treatment
and
prevention
programs.
That
is
not
what
this
funding
is
for,
because
that's
a
different
side
of
haida
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
But
this
this
this
particular
funding
stream,
is
for
the
enforcement
programs.
Q
Although
I
will
say
out
of
atlanta,
we
do
have
a
prevention
program
that
we
call
upon
and
then
out
of
the
big
haida,
meaning
you
know
throughout
the
nation.
We
call
on
some
other
that
you
might
have
heard
of
the
drug
overdose
response
initiatives
we
have
nationally
and
I'll.
Just
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
If
you
have
questions,
I
can
answer
those
on
to
the
next.
Q
So
it's
important
to
understand
again
that
this
is
a
when
you
become
a
haida.
Obviously
we
have
narcotics
issues
throughout
the
country.
The
the
difference
here
is
the
amount
of
narcotics,
the
amount
of
distribution
and
the
levels
maybe
of
the
violence
that
go
with
some
of
these
organizations
that
you
set
up
a
a
threat
assessment.
So
this
is
something
where
we
have
people
from
the
atlantic.
Q
Those
are
the
ones
that
are
designated,
not
everybody's
designated
and
the
reason
is
because
there's
a
multitude
of
issues
that
show
when
they
go
through
this
threat
assessment.
Another
big
thing
is
your
local
law
enforcement
has
to
already
be
doing
things
to
combat
these
issues
so
that
we
can
support
them.
So
the
pre-existing
drug
task
forces
are
very,
very
important,
they're
instrumental
in
us
setting
up
a
haida
program,
because
again
it
has
the
infrastructure.
We
have
the
identity.
Q
We
were
able
to
identify
these
groups
at
the
highest
levels
so
that
we
can
take
out
the
organizations
that
are
impacting
our
people,
our
communities
and
that's
a
big
big
plus
for
the
haida
operations.
Q
Another
thing
to
definitely
understand
is
that
this
is
an
increase
in
federal
allocation
that
goes
to
the
height
of
program,
to
support
the
task
force,
there's
no
other.
They
have
to
spend
the
money
on
the
task
force,
and
then
they
go.
It's
a
reimbursable
grant
for
that
money
for
the
task
force.
Another
thing
to
also
understand
is
this:
threat.
Assessment
goes
all
the
way
up
through
the
office
of
the
president
at
on
dcp.
Q
A
lot
of
people
review
it
before
it
gets
there
important
people
before
it
gets
to
that
point
and
including
significant
representatives
for
the
state,
because
obviously
this
is
something
that
everybody
needs
to
organize
and
be
involved
with
at
all
levels,
again:
federal,
state
and
local,
and
and
for
us
in
ashko
the
the
tribal
areas
as
well,
which
is
very
significant
on
to
the
next.
Q
This
just
gives
you
a
little
flavor
for
how
we
look
across
the
country
I
mentioned
height
is,
and
you
know,
each
height
is
a
little
different
because
we're
in
the
atlantic
carolinas
haida
the
there
are
obviously
haidas
throughout
the
country.
They
operate
a
little
differently,
as
I
mentioned,
we
are
very.
We
have
the
dea
task
forces
we
operate
through.
D
Q
New
changes
coming
in
with
the
new
administration,
but
currently
we
have
a
prevention.
We
don't
have
a
treatment
side
on
to
the
next.
So
like.
Let's
talk
about
a
little
bit
specifics
here
about
asheville,
the
asheville
police
department
is
part
of
the
haida.
We
have
30
fat,
four
designated
counties
within,
and
five
of
the
eastern
band
of
cherokee
nation
areas
for
our
north
carolina
for
our
georgia,
north
carolina
and
south
carolina
haida.
Q
We
are
probably
what
you
would
consider
about
an
average
size
item
in
north
carolina,
specifically,
where
we
have
initiatives
in
asheville.
We
have
piedmont
the
charlotte
area,
the
triad
in
greensboro
and
the
triangle
in
raleigh.
Q
Those
are
our
major
operation
areas
where
we
have
task
forces
that
we
support
not
only
just
in
asheville,
but
if
we
drill
down
a
little
further,
if
you
go
on
to
the
next
one
that
you
know
you
remember,
I
mentioned
that
these
task
forces
were
pre-existing,
so
dea
had
set
up
partnerships
with
other
members
of
of
the
whether
it's
the
sheriff's
department,
the
the
police
departments,
the
bureau
of
indian
affairs
sbi
state
highway
patrol.
Q
We
basically
look
to
bring
all
those
groups
together
again
to
work
these
cases
at
the
highest
levels
we
can
get.
You
need
those
type
of
resources
where
people
are
counting
on
one
another,
for
both
investigative
leads
and
also
to
be
able
to
coordinate
with
other
areas,
because
these
things
are
very
labor
intensive
these
cases.
C
Q
To
fund
those
cases
they're
going
to
need
more
resources
where
they
need
to
attack
these
groups
that
are
causing
the
biggest
issues
in
our
areas
that
we've
we're
basically
targeting
it's
a
it's
a
100
reimbursement
program.
Basically,
what
happens
is
in
the
task
force.
They'll
spend
money,
ash
will
be
will
be
the
the
organization
that'll
will
use
their
rules,
they'll
act
as
a
fiduciary,
in
that
instance,
they'll
pay
the
bills,
and
then
we,
the
height
of
program,
pays
those
bills
back
after
they
they've
already
paid
them
out.
It's
a
reimbursable
grant.
Q
So
that
includes
you
know
some
overtime
and
some
of
the
other
things
we
have
to
do
on
as
case
needs
off
to
the
next.
The
total
grant
amount
is
275
416..
That
includes
the
tribal
areas
as
well.
Again,
it
doesn't
go
into
apd's
budgets,
it's
a
second
separate
line
item
and
it's
followed
both
from
the
atlantic
carolinas
into
into
the
what's
called
the
the
nhack.
Q
It's
the
it's
the
support
organization
for
haidas
and
then
again
all
the
way
to
on
dcp
the
budget
grants
the
the
actual
form,
the
the
the
one
that
the
city
that
you
will
sign
comes
from
owen,
dcp
and
again
they
they
apd
supports
the
the
task
force
in
their
purchase
of
equipment
and
evidence
or
whatever
their
other
things
are
going
to
need,
as
the
case
moves
on
next.
Q
Not
going
to
get
into
a
lot
of
it,
time
is
of
essence
in
some
senses,
but
you
can
be
very
proud
of
this
task
force
in
the
sense
that
they
are
really
attacking
some
of
the
things
that
are,
you
know
we
all
are
struggling
with
with
the
opioids
and
the
other
issues
we're
having
and
if
you
go
on
to
the
next
slide.
This
is
an
example
of
the
type
of
things
they
do,
and
all
that
looks
great.
Q
But
what
I
look
at
right
away
is
that
23
kilograms
of
fentanyl
the
dangers
to
our
community
with
that
type
of
fentanyl
out
there
is,
I
mean
I
don't
need
to
explain
that
to
anybody.
That's
one
of
the
biggest
struggles
we're
having
so
we're
looking
for
those
organizations
that
are
drug
trafficking,
organizations
that
are
doing
those
type
of
cases
where
they're
actually
distributing
that
amount
of
narcotics
and
obtaining
that
much
money.
Those
are
the
things
that
we're
looking
to
do
for
for
the
community
through
these
higher
operations.
Q
If
you
go
on
to
the
next
again
it's
another
example
of
significant
amounts
of
fentanyl
methamphetamine.
Obviously
we
we
have
some
issues
coming
back
on.
Methamphetamine
significant
amount
of
that
coming
across
the
border,
so
I
mean
from
the
enforcement
side.
We've
got
very
productive
in
the
sense
of
keeping
as
much
as
we
can
the
narcotics
off
the
streets,
another
side
of
what
we've
done
with
the
through
haida
nationally.
If
you
go
on
to
the
next
slide,
is
we've
worked
on
an
overdose
response
strategy
used
to
be
called
some
other
things.
Q
You
know
it
was
the
opioid
response
strategy
but
understand
what
we
figured
out
is
that
we
have
a
a
number
of
different
public
health
issues
as
it
pertains
to
narcotics.
It's
not
just
opioids
only.
We
have
a
stimulant
issue
as
well,
so
this
program
offers
unprecedented
collaboration
between
law
enforcement
and
the
public
health
sector,
and
for
us
in
north
carolina,
for
example,
we
have
what's
called
a
public
health
analyst
and
a
drug
intelligence
officer.
Q
The
public
health
analyst
actually
sits
at
the
department
of
health
here
in
raleigh
and
does
a
lot
of
the
analysis
of
some
of
the
issues
we're
seeing
with
overdoses,
some
of
which,
if
you
go
on
to
the
department
of
health
web
page,
you
can
track
the
overdoses
and
that's
what
we
do
and
that
analyst,
the
public
self
health
analyst
is
doing
that,
and
it's
been
a
great
partnership
because
I
mean,
let's
face
it
originally,
in
law
enforcement
department,
health.
Q
We
don't
always
always
speak
the
same
language,
but
it
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
get
in
the
same
room
and
come
up
with
some
different
ideas
which
is
what's
been
happening
again.
That's
a
discretionary
funding
stream,
it's
a
different
stream.
It's
not
the
one
we're
speaking
on
today,
but
it's
important
to
note
that
not
only
ors,
but
it's
important
to
note
that
there
are
programs
that
hyde
is
developing,
that
we
as
communities
get
to
draw
upon,
even
though
they're
not
necessarily
through
funded
through
exactly
what
we're
working
on
so
another.
Q
One
of
those
is
the
overdose
mapping
program
which
is
near
real-time,
tracking
of
overdoses,
and
we've
been
working
on
some
different
programs
where
we're
trying
to
get
ems
and
some
other
people
on
board,
so
that,
basically
we
can
see
these
things
happen
real
time
and
respond
accordingly.
Q
There's
a
lot
in
one
quick
session:
do
you
have
any
questions
that
you
have
for
me?
I'd
be
glad
to
answer
them.
R
R
And-
and
they
were
talking
about
the
items
that
the
funds
can
and
cannot
be
used
for,
and
I
was
just
wondering-
and
it
spoke
about
even
if
the
funds
cannot
be
used
for
general
apd
department
purchases,
however
overtime
reimbursement
and
equipment
and
purchases
for
those
apd
employees
that
further
the
task
force
initiatives
are
are
eligible,
and
I
was
just
wondering:
is
there
anything
in
that
that
sort
of
says
that
what
percentage
must
be
spent
directly
on
making
an
impact
on
that
high
intensity
drug
trafficking?
Q
Sure,
well,
if
you're
speaking
of
what
275
000
is
percentage-wide
needs
to
go
to
enforcement,
it's
really
all
of
it
technically,
however,
legally
through
like
policy
and
so
forth,
there's
a
seven
percent
allowance
for
prevention,
but
we've
already
used
that
seven
percent
in
other
programs,
like
the
od
map,
the
ors,
so
that's
a
bigger
national
on
dcp
decision.
It's
not
like
on
my
level!
So
those
I
think
I
think
that's
what
you're
asking
is.
There
are
some
other
percentage
decisions
that
are
made.
There
are
at
the
bigger
levels.
R
Out,
well,
no
more
or
less.
What
I'm
trying
to
do
is
actually
sort
of
get
an
idea
if
there
are
limitations
on
where
that
money
can
be
used
and
like
I
said,
because
if
there's
no
limitations,
if
it
talks
about
the
money,
can
be
used
toward
overtime
and
and
different
things
that
the
you
know
the
apd
actually
may
need
now,
and
as
opposed
to
most
of
that
money
being
directed
to
preventing
the
high
trafficking
drug
issue
that
we
you
know,
we
definitely
need
to
address.
Q
Okay,
so
none
of
that
is
for
apd
operations.
So
if
apd
has
some
local
operations
they're
doing
and
they
have
they
incur
overtime,
we
don't
pay
for
that.
We
pay,
we
simply
pay
for
the
overtime
for
those
officers
and
investigators
at
the
task
force.
So
what
happens
is
when
we
set
out
a
budget,
and
each
budget
line
item
will
have
an
overtime
element.
You
know
equipment,
purchase,
etc.
Q
Q
All
of
this
is
based
on
working
at
the
high
deck,
because
there
are
forms
that
go
with
that
right.
The
chief,
if
I
work,
for
you,
know
the
sheriff
of
buncombe
county
sheriff's
office
and
I
do
overtime,
I
give
the
chief
my
overtime
form.
He
signs
it.
He
attests
that
he
worked
the
overtime
at
the
task
force.
Then
it
goes
over
to
the
task
force
and
they
sign
it,
saying
that
that.
O
This
is
kim,
I
do
have
a
question,
but
first
for
the
benefit
of
folks
who
are
watching
this.
I
did
some
research
on
the
history
of
this
funding
and
tracked
it
down
to
h.r
5210.
The
anti-drug
abuse
act
of
1988,
which
set
drug
free
america,
has
a
historic
goal
initiated
losing
war
on
drugs
and
also
restored
the
federal
death
penalty.
O
O
O
So
what
would
we
be
doing
instead,
if
we
don't
accept
the
grant.
P
I
think,
with
considering
the
violence
that
we
have
in
this
city,
considering
the
high-intensity
drug
trafficking
we
have
in
this
city,
it
would
be
my
recommendation
that
we
still
have
our
one
detective
assigned
to
the
dea
task
force
to
work
on
those
large
cases
of
manufacturing
and
distribution
and
also
weapons.
We
would
still
leave
that
detective
assigned.
P
O
Thank
you
for
clarifying
that
so
filling
out
grants
and
all
the
paperwork
and
keeping
up
with
them
takes
time
staff
time
do
we
have
one
person
that
we
assign
these
grants
to
how
many
staff
hours
or
how
many
staff
members
does
it
take
for
us
to
keep
up
with
these
grants.
O
P
We
only
have
one
detective
assigned
to
the
task
force
at
this
time.
Their
participation
is
crucial,
I
think,
to
our
anti
violence
strategy
here,
the
intelligence
that
we
receive
the
resources
that
they
can
provide
as
we
move
into
some
of
these
larger
investigations
even
locally
just
with
the
violence.
P
O
Thank
you,
I
think
that's
all
the
well.
There
is
one
other
question
I
have,
and
it
really
relates
to
like
1033,
which
we're
not
talking
about
today,
but
a
lot
of
times
when
we're
talking
about
grant
funding,
it
can
sound
to
the
public
like
this
is
free
money.
Why
we
leave
free
money
on
the
table,
but
there's
a
cost
associated
with
storing
a
maintenance
of
equipment
with
filling
out
grant
applications
with
keeping
up
with
grant
applications.
O
O
I
know
that
we
need
to
address
these
situations
at
the
root,
but
we
did
also
set
a
goal
in
our
retreat
that
we
were
going
to
reimagine
public
safety,
and
I
don't
see
or
hear
yet
that
doing
things
the
old
way
is
going
to
result
in
less
harm.
I
don't
see
where
adding
a
bigger
gun
to
the
equation
would
mean
that
our
young
people
that
we've
lost
recently
would
still
be
here
in
our
in
our
community
and
with
their
families.
So
I'm
not
in
a
position
to
support
it
at
this
time.
B
Chief,
I
have
a
question
comment
for
you.
When
you
were
first
assigned
to
asheville,
you
made
a
statement
that
you
would
redirect
a
lot
of
the
focus
of
operations
away
from
low-level
drug
crime
to
the
more
higher
intense.
How
does
this?
How
does
this
brand
and
the
this
grant
operation
support?
That
idea.
P
And
yes
vice
mayor,
that's
exactly
what
we
did
when
we
disbanded
the
drug
suppression
unit
to
focus
on
the
more
violent
crime,
but
also
less
focus
on
street
level
transactions,
but
go
after
the
higher
levels
of
I
mean
this:
we're
talking
cartel
level
activity
and
that's
what
this
this
task
force
does
and
if
you
go
back
to
slide
10.
P
Here's
a
perfect
example:
this
is
not
dealing
with
low-level
street
trafficking,
you're
talking
about
a
two-year
investigation
where
we
took
off
took
in
enough
fentanyl.
That
would
kill
the
entire
city,
so
I
mean
that's
what
this
initiative
does
confusing
this
or
trying
to
you
know
to
somehow
think
that
this
is
is
going
away
from
from
what
I
stated
some
time
ago.
They
really
are
apples
and
oranges.
P
This
is,
we
are
dealing
at
the
highest
levels
of
distribution
and
manufacture
of
drugs,
which
we
all
know
contributes
to
a
significant
amount
of
violence
and,
of
course,
we've
seen
an
uptick
in
violence
over
the
last
four
years.
So
this
effort
all
goes
to
counter
that
and
again
when
you're
talking
about
that
much
fentanyl
being
seizes
the
guns
and
again
a
two-year
investigation
million
dollars
in
drug
trafficking
funds.
P
So
this
is
what
it's
aimed
at.
It
is
not
you
know
named
it
or
the
target
here
is
not
street
level
encounters.
The
target
here
is
the
main
major
manufacturers
and
distributors
of
the
most
dangerous
drugs
that,
as
ms
roney
said,
are
killing
too
many
people,
and
that
is
the
role
of
our
participation
in
this
task
force.
B
So
I
I
just
want
to
break
this
down
just
another
level,
so
it
seems
like
the
quantity
of
drugs
in
in
the
individual's
position
and
the
potency
of
of
the
drug
would
kind
of
qualify
it
as
a
more
higher
level
more
sophisticated
in
the
food
chain.
So
to
speak.
Would
you
agree
with.
Q
It
does,
but
I,
if
you
remember
that
the
other
side
of
this
is
the
fact
that
this
this
particular
case
as
well
they're
connected
to
other
areas.
So
that's
what
makes
it
a
even
a
harder
kind
of
case
to
make,
because
you
have
these
groups
that
are
operating
in
a
number
of
different
areas.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
this
one
is
connected
to
charlotte
and
then
of
course,
others,
the
source
country,
mexico,
being
one
of
our
largest
these
days.
So
it's
not
only
the
amounts.
Q
It's
the
sophistication
of
the
organization,
how
they're
transporting
narcotics,
major
shipments
of
narcotics,
you
know
through
our
highways
or,
however,
they
like
most
of
the
time
for
us.
It's
been
tracked
trailers
or
cars
in
the
highway,
so
it
depends
on
the
elements
of
the
command
and
how
they're
transporting
how
many
areas
they're,
hitting
and
in
cases
like
this
they're,
hitting
a
number
of
different
areas.
We
have
a
number
of
different
height,
not
only
haidas
but
just
different
groups
in
different
geographical
locations.
B
Do
you
all
look
to
see
if
the
individual
has
prior
arrest
prior
imprisonment,
a
history
of
violence
or
known
to
be
involved
with
sophisticated
criminal
activity?
Now
that's
more
on
individual
basis,
but
I'm
trying
to
track
arrest
and
the
the
usual
groups
of
people
who
are
targeted
in
this
type
of
type
and
style
of
operation.
Q
Well,
you
know
the
cases
when
they
come
about
they're,
not
targeting
from
any
race
or
it's
about
against
an
organization
and
you're.
Absolutely
right.
You
then
begin
to
look
at
what
role
do
the
people.
I
mean
we
get
that
in
depth
in
these
cases.
What
role
does
this
person
play
in
the
organization?
Are
they
a
distributor?
Are
they
organizing
transportation
and
then
you
work
each
part
of
that?
Very
specifically,
I
mean
it's
not
just
random.
You
know
we're
not
just
hitting
places,
and
we
just
don't
have
the
resources
to
do
it
like
that.
Q
We
take
our
resources
and
we
get
very
much
in
depth
on
who's
operating,
vital
parts
of
the
organization,
because
you
have
those
that
are
in
control
of
this
distribution.
They
have
those
that
are
in
control
of
transportation.
They
have
those
for
the
money,
and
sometimes
they
tend
to
be
all
organizations
in
amongst
themselves.
Is
that
what
you're
asking.
B
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
and
if
there's
no
more
discussion,
thank
you
for
being
here
with
us.
K
B
It
thank
you,
I'm
ready
to
call
a
vote
and
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
the
conversation
right
now
that
to
disband
this
type
of
grant
and
these
type
of
grant
activities,
I
think
it
does
put
a
focus
on
low-level
activities
and
low-level
offenders.
B
So
you
know
in
every
conversation
that
we've
been
having
lately
concerning
public
safety,
even
in
regard
to
our
noise
ordinance
with
which
we'll
hear
later
on
balance
is
very
necessary
because
we
still
have
an
obligation
to
enforce
and
to
pay
attention
to
the
the
higher
the
the
higher
trafficking
manufacturing
production
of
drugs.
But
I
do
feel
the
community's
concern
when
it
comes
to
individuals
and
group
members
who
are
just
disproportionately
targeted
are
affected
by
drug
related
criminal
criminal
life
activities
in
our
community.
B
So
with
that
being
stated,
is
there
a
motion
to?
Let
me
go
to
my
script?
B
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
resolution
to
apply
for
and
accept
the
2021
hita
haida
grant
and
move
forward
to
city
council
so
moved?
Okay,
I'll?
Second,
that
motion
and
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote
for
approval,
councilman
kilgore,
yes
april,
councilman,
ronin,
no
and
myself.
I
the
motion
carries
with
the
2-1
vote.
Thank
you.
B
Next,
we
have
update
on
apd
service
reduction
plans.
Chief
zach
will
present
this
item.
P
Okay,
thank
you
vice
mayor,
but
I
was
also
asked
to
present
quickly
on
just
some
other
annual
grants
that
apd
does
apply
for
so
I
can
give
that
briefly.
P
Okay,
thank
you
go
for
it
sure
these
are
basically
the
there's
four
regular
grants
that
we
apply
for
and
obviously
the
covered
emergency
supplemental
funding
grant
was
unique
just
to
this
year,
but
these
are
are
the
grants
that
we're
usually
applying
for
on
an
annual
basis,
I'll
just
go
real
briefly
what
those
are
next
slide.
Please
first,
is
the
edward
burn
memorial
justice
grant
known
as
jag
we've
been
receiving
this
grant
each
year
since
2005..
P
We
again
are
much
like
the
the
haida
grant,
where
the
fiduciary
for
us
and
buncombe
county
sheriff's
office,
the
total
amount
of
the
grant
is
just
over
62
000.
You
can
see
the
breakdown
there
between
apd
and
the
sheriff's
office.
We
get
roughly
49
000
of
that
back
in
2020.
Those
funds
were
used
to
replace
rifles.
P
Our
intention
this
year
for
that
grant
is
we
want
to
move
that
money,
we're
not
going
to
spend
any
of
it
at
all
on
equipment.
It
would
be
our
intent
to
use
that
money
to
work
with
with
our
community
on
strategies
to
increase
patrol
coverage
and
maybe
assist
with
other
issues
within
the
community
and
in
our
schools,
so
that
would
be
the
intent
for
the
money
in
2021
next,
please,
the
bulletproof
vest
partnership
grant
again.
We've
had
this
this
grant
every
year
since
2000.
P
This
requires
a
50
50
match
our
bulletproof
vests
have
a
five-year
life
span,
so
we're
constantly
replacing
them,
so
the
total
grant
amount
is
thirty.
Five
thousand
two
hundred
eighty,
the
city
matches
that
and
that
allows
us
again
to
purchase
new
vests
for
new
recruits,
but
also
replace
vests
that
have
become
worn
and
unserviceable.
P
We
we
reapply
for
that
grant
every
june
next,
please
the
highway
safety
program
bike
safe
grant.
This
is
a
very
small
grant.
It's
only
five
thousand
dollars
and
that's
mostly
to
promote
motorsport
motorcycle
safety
in
north
carolina.
P
We
usually
receive
approval
for
this
if
it's
granted
in
late
summer
or
early
fall
next,
please-
and
this
was
the
coveted
emergency
supplemental
grant.
This
was
a
one-time
only
grant.
The
only
reason
we
were
eligible
for
that
grant
is
because
we
receive
jag
funds,
so
this
year
the
total
grant
amount
for
that
was
158
000
dollars
that
we
received
in
covet
emergency
supplemental
funding.
P
O
Please,
before
we
move
on,
can
I
ask
a
couple
of
questions
about
the
grants.
Of
course,
I
think
it
was
back
on
slide.
16.
O
K
O
O
And
then,
if
we
can
go
to
that
last
slide
about
the
covid
relief
funding,
have
we
already
received
this
158
thousand
dollars.
P
My
finance
person
is
saying
it's
pretty
detailed,
but
again
we'll
forward
that
to
you.
So
you
know
exactly
what
it
was.
Thank.
P
Just
to
update
the
city
on
our
current
levels
of
staffing
and
how
that
staffing
is
affecting
response
times
next
slide.
Please,
since
january
2020
we've
seen
82
officers
leave
our
department,
who
represent
more
than
or
close
to
450
years
of
cumulative
experience
when
we
take
into
account
the
officers
who've
resigned,
but
also
the
officers
who
may
be
off
on
fmla
military
leave.
Administrative
leave,
sick
injured
so
forth,
currently
we're
operating
at
roughly
between
35
and
38
down
on
our
sworn
staff
on
a
daily
basis.
P
This
has
had
definitely
has
had
a
an
effect
on
our
response
times.
What
you
see
here
is
examples
of
our
priority
calls.
These
are
the
most
high
risk.
Dangerous
calls
that
we
go
on.
P
You
can
see
armed
robberies,
bomb
threats,
gunshots
murder,
stabbings
violent
domestics
currently
because
of
staffing
right
now
it
is
taking
us
1.6
minutes
longer
than
it
used
to
that
we're
going
back
to
may
when
we
were
at
full
staffing
may
of
2020,
when
we
were
at
over
238
now
being
down
we're
seeing
those
response
times
have
increased
by
an
additional
1.6
minutes
on
our
most
serious
calls.
Next,
please.
P
Even
more
importantly,
when
you
talk
about
our
most
serious
calls,
because
most
of
those
calls
we're
not
seeing
after
midnight,
our
most
serious
calls
are
usually
between
the
hours
of
zero,
700
7
a.m
and
3
p.m.
P
P
What
we're
saying
is
for
us
to
have
gone
to
a
similar
call.
It
would
have
taken
us
almost
five,
so
we're
three
minutes
above
the
time
during
our
most
busy
hours,
and
that
is
an
extremely
long
time
when
you're
talking
about
you
know
in
progress
calls
of
this
serious
in
nature,
so
it's
taking
us
almost
over
three
minutes
longer
than
it
used
to
to
get
there
a
significant
amount
of
time.
P
Again,
you
can
see
what
the
response
times
are.
These
are
priority.
One
calls
not
quite
as
serious
but
still
again,
very
serious
calls.
You
know
a
shots
fired
call
someone
standing
on
a
corner
with
a
gun,
sexual
assault,
fights
in
progress,
taking
us
three
over
three
and
a
half
minutes
longer
to
get
to
those
calls
than
it
did
a
year
ago.
P
Next,
please
priority
two
again
less
severity,
but
again
the
response
time
taking
us
ten
minutes
longer
to
get
to
those
those
calls.
Next.
P
And
then,
finally,
these
are
our
priority.
Three
calls.
These
are
mostly
service.
Calls
report
calls
things
like
that:
missing
persons,
vandalism
breaking
and
entering
that's
not
in
progress
for
those
calls,
it's
taking
us
over
38
minutes
longer
to
respond
to
those
type
of
types
of
calls
than
it
did
back
in
may
of
2020..
P
At
our
meeting
back
in
february,
you
know
we
could
see
that
we
were
going
to
have
a
problem
when
we
knew
that
if
we
were
going
to
try
to
reduce
the
impact
of
the
loss
of
staff
on
our
ability
to
respond,
we
put
a
number
of
measures
in
place.
Just
go
over
those
real
quick.
P
Next,
please,
we
reassigned
some
of
our
detectives
to
patrol
which
now
our
detective
bureau
now
is
down
roughly
50
of
the
detectives
that
we
had
back
in
may
of
2020.
That
may
have
helped
our
response
time
a
little
bit,
but
it
certainly
will
not
help
our
clearance
rate
or
our
ability
to
investigate
thoroughly
lower
level
crime.
We
reduced
our
school
resource
officers
from
five
to
three
we've
had
to
assign
designated
report
cars.
P
We
we
know
some
people
have
said
it's
taken
us
almost
three
four
hours
in
some
instances
to
to
show
up
to
take
those
reports.
We
had
a
breakdown,
our
number
of
patrol
districts
from
four
to
three.
That
would
resulted
in
the
elimination
of
the
downtown
district
and,
of
course,
now
we're
almost
never
on
bike
and
foot
patrols,
because
we
have
to
have
our
officers
mobile
and
able
to
respond
by
vehicle
next,
please.
K
P
Oh,
oh,
I'm
sorry
back
up
my
mistake:
we
did
open
an
in-person
reporting
office
in
our
south
asheville
station,
using
non-sworn
personnel
to
take
those
complaints,
we're
continuing
to
message
with
the
public
to
report
online
through
our
p2c
reporting
tool.
P
I
wish
that
was
going
better
than
it
was,
but
it
no
matter
how
much
we
message.
It's
still
been
a
heavy
lift
to
try
to
get
people
to
use
that
tool.
We've
taken
specialized
units
we've
removed
personnel
from
those
units
to
fill
in
on
the
road,
specifically
detectives.
P
That
was
back
in
february,
when
I
think
we
were
down,
maybe
40
officers,
50
officers,
and
now
the
number
is
risen
to
over
80.,
again
38
percent
of
staff,
35
percent
of
staff
on
any
given
day.
We
are
going
to
have
to
implement
more
service
cuts,
and
basically
just
say
these
are
the
things
we
cannot
respond
to
at
this
time.
So
I'll
just
lay
that
out
for
you
real,
quick.
P
Next,
please,
a
lot
of
these
are
you
know,
minor
type,
calls
reports,
you
know
larcenies
with
no,
where
there's
no
suspect
larcenies
from
vehicles
minimal
damage
to
to
personal
property
or
graffiti
things
of
that
nature.
We
can
no
longer
even
send
a
report
card
car
for
that
we
are
going
to
have
to
people
will
be
instructed
that
they
have
to
file
these
complaints
online.
P
Obviously,
if
they
don't
have
the
ability
to
do
that,
you
know
we
will
send
somebody
out,
but
the
message
will
be
that
these
particular
crimes
have
to
be
reported
online
and
there
will
be
additional
crimes
as
well.
Next,
please
harassing
phone
calls
non-threatening
non-domestic
related
and
don't
involve
stalking
again
reported
online,
any
type
of
fraud
or
identity
theft.
Scams
reported
online,
simple
assaults.
If,
if
the
action
is
is
passed
and
now
you're
just
reporting
that
someone
has
assaulted,
you
again
you're
going
to
have
to
do
that
online
and
just
information.
P
P
If
someone
calls
for
us
on
trespass,
if
they
are
not
willing
to
prosecute,
we
simply
cannot
send
an
officer
immediately
again
if
there's
violence
or
a
major
disruption,
we'll
send
someone,
but
if
it's
low-level
trespass
and
the
the
business
owner
is
not
willing
to
prosecute
we're,
simply
not
able
to
send
anyone.
P
And
of
course
you
know,
noise
complaints
and
I
believe
ben-
has
a
large
presentation
on
that.
We
will
still
be
assisting
with
that
when
ben's
crew
isn't
available,
but
again
folks
have
to
understand
our
ability
to
get
to
this
call.
It
may
take
us
40
minutes
on
an
average,
sometimes
hours
if,
if
we're
able
to
respond
at
all,
so
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
people
understand,
even
if
you
call
after
hours
the
likelihood
of
us
getting
out
there
while
the
complaint
is
still
active,
is
highly
unlikely.
P
Again,
you
know
where
this
is
all
going.
You
know,
hopefully,
that
you
know
we,
the
loss
of
staff
will
cease
and
and
maybe
we'll
be
able
to
get
some
new
candidates
through
blet
and
get
them
out
on
the
street.
That's
still
many
many
many
months
away,
we're
still
seeing
resignations.
It
has
slowed
considerably,
but
it
has
not
ceased.
P
So
you
know,
as
we
wait
for
replacements,
we're
just
going
to
see
response
times
continue
to
be
delayed.
P
It
seems
that
further
reductions
are
inevitable,
we'll
be
very
careful
how
we
do
that
and
give
it
considerable
thought
in
effort
to
see
you
know
how
can
we
triage
better
but
a
big
concern
that
we're
having
right
now
is
our
criminal
investigations,
because
we
have
lost
45
percent,
almost
50
percent
of
our
detectives,
and
if
you
just
look
in
the
last
week,
obviously
we
had
the
homicide
at
the
west
little
pub
over
30
shots
fired
in
that
parking
lot.
P
Just
this
past
past
weekend,
three
persons
had
one
killed
on
atkinson
street.
We
had
shots
into
two
occupied
homes,
same
thing
on
sand
hill,
road
shots
into
occupied
homes,
we're
investigating
armed
robberies,
stabbings.
P
Our
detective
bureau
right
now
is
completely
gassed
out
with
the
sheer
volume
of
investigations
that
that
they
have
serious
nature
that
they
have
to
address,
and
we
will
just
have
to
triage
those
investigations
moving
forward.
These
officers
are
putting
in
extremely
long
hours,
barely
a
weekend
goes
by
where
they're
not
called
in
for
additional
duty,
and
we've
literally
had
to
send
them
home
to
rest.
P
So
criminal
investigations
will
continue
to
be
triage.
Training
has
been
very.
B
Yes,
I
don't
know
what
that
means.
The
investigations
will
be
triaged.
P
P
P
B
And
if
a
person
is
is
responding
to
victimization
and
they
are
reporting
it
online,
how
soon
will
it
be
addressed?
How
soon
will
they
get
a
call
back
again.
P
We
have
to
you,
know
it's
on
a
miss
smith:
it's
not
a
day-by-day
basis.
It
depends
what
came
in.
P
We
had
an
extremely
busy
weekend
this
past
weekend,
so
it
really
is
dependent
on
the
week
and
what
the
volume
that
came
in,
but
obviously
we
you
know
we
want
to
get
to
everyone,
but
we
have
to
be
realistic
on
what
we're
able
to
do
and
what
we're
able
not
to
do,
and
certainly
we
want
to
get.
P
We
will
get
back
to
everyone,
but
there
will
be
delays,
especially
you
know,
when
we've
got
detectives
working
16
hours
in
a
row
on
some
of
these
cases
and
it
you
know
you
get
a
homicide,
it's
not
just
one
detective
working
that
case
it's
all
of
them,
including
our
crime
scene
unit,
who
is
who
is
maxed
out
as
well.
So
we
want
to
get
back
to
everybody,
but
to
say
I
can
give
a
specific
time
frame
when
you
will
be
contacted
on
the
status
of
your
investigation
or
who
will
be
assigned.
P
That's
very
difficult
to
say
and
again
it
will
all
depend
on
the
seriousness
of
the
incidents
that
we're
dealing
with.
Not
just
that
day,
but
maybe
in
days
prior,
we
had
a
day
last
april,
I
believe
april
16th,
where
we
had
four
shootings
in
a
single
day.
P
Everybody
else
got
their
call
who
who
had
crimes
that
were
committed
on
that
day.
We
got
back
to
them,
but
it
was
days
later
because
everyone
was
simply
assigned
to
those
simultaneous
investigations,
and
you
know
this
is
this
is
what
it
looks
like
when
you're
down
this
much
when
you
lose
50
percent
of
your
detectives.
This
is
what
it
looks
like.
R
Okay,
chief
zach
I'd
like
to
ask
you,
as
far
as
if
you
had
to
say
what
type
of
percentage
or
increase
in
crime
have
we
seen
in
the
last
year.
P
What
I
can
say
is,
I
don't
have
the
property
crime
numbers
in
front
of
me,
but
as
far
as
shots
fired
calls,
homicides
and
people
shot
in
stab
we're
pretty
much
at
the
same
levels
on
violent
crime
that
we
saw
a
year
ago,
I
think
were
maybe
one
or
two
incidents
off
so
that
is
holding
the
level
of
violent
crime.
Numbers
seem
to
be
holding
to
where
they
were
a
year
ago,
which
has
basically
been
on
the
rise
for
several
years
now.
R
Another
question
I
want
to
ask:
you
is
one
of
my
clients,
basically
enough
clients
or
constituents
basically
reached
out
to
me
because
he
was
concerned
about.
He
has
noticed
that
there
is
an
increase
in
guns
in
the
area.
Just
wondering
have
you
all
been
able
to?
You
know
see
that
type
of
increase.
P
Yeah,
I
would
say
that
I
mean
that
that's
a
that,
that's
it's
increased
across
the
nation,
I
think.
Just
in
2020
alone
there
were
21
million
new
gun
purchasers
or
21
million
new
guns
sold,
so
yeah,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
guns
on
the
street
and
people
are
using
so
particularly
our
criminal
element.
So
again,
our
numbers
have
been
on
a
rise.
Last
year,
652
calls
of
shots
fired
that
we
answered.
P
Almost
50
people
shot
another
50,
some
people
stabbed
so
again
those
numbers
seem
to
be
holding
so
we're
not
we're
not
seeing
a
reduction.
At
this
point.
O
Thank
you.
This
is
kim.
I
wanted
to
add
to
what
sandra
asked
and
just
comparing
it
to
last
year,
when
we
were
almost
completely
in
lockdown
to
now
we're
almost
completely
opened
back
up.
It
would
help
if
we
could
look
at
it
three
or
four
years
out
to
see
if
we
can
find
those
trends
in
comparing
violent
crime,
property
crime,
et
cetera,.
P
And
we
do
this
morning,
we
do
have
analysts
that
look
at
those
numbers
and
project,
but
we
also
follow
you
know
what's
happening
nationally.
Sometimes
we
follow
the
national
trends.
Sometimes
we
don't
that's.
You
know
any
city
would
would
tell
you
the
same
thing,
but
in
your
major
cities
across
the
country,
seattle,
new
york,
I
mean
they're,
seeing
their
homicide
rates.
P
I
think
in
seattle
was
up
like
800
percent.
I
had
heard
chicago,
obviously
very
bad,
but
here
in
asheville
we're
not
seeing
those
type
of
increases.
I
mean
nowhere.
Nowhere
near
that
remain
a
problem.
O
R
Well,
and
also
could
you
speak
also
to
the
increase
at
for
as
far
legal
drug
trafficking,
and
what
would
you
say
the
increase
has
been
within
the
last
year?
Do
you
have
an
idea.
P
That
one
I
don't
have
on
drugs,
what
I
can,
what
I
can
tell
you
is
our
volume
of
rest
have
gone
down
because
of
the
elimination
of
our
drug
suppression
unit
and
we're
not
focusing
on
the
low-level
drug
crime
and
again
focusing
more
on
the
trafficking
and
distribution.
So
I
think
the
numbers
of
arrests.
P
I
can't
I'm
kind
of
speaking
off
the
top
of
my
head
and
I
could
be
wrong
on
this,
but
I
think
those
numbers
are
down
and
if
they're
not
down,
but
the
charges
would
be
more
serious
but
I'm
pretty
sure
they're
they're
down.
I
think
most
of
our
most
of
our
drug
arrests
now
come
in
relation
with
with
other
crimes.
P
Not
necessarily
you
know
targeting
something
on
drug
distribution
or
street
corner
dealing,
something
like
that,
but
we
may
arrest
someone
in
possession
of
a
firearm
or
with
warrants,
and
there
might
be
additional
narcotics
in
the
car
that
they
get
charged
with
but
actively
just
you
know,
working
low
level,
street
drug
trade,
we're
not
doing
that
at
all.
O
You
this
is
kim,
so
I
had
one
last
question
I
think
for
today,
and
that
is
when
we
have
non-violent
crime,
say:
property,
damage
or
graffiti?
Is
it
required
or
is
it
a
policy
that
we
send
a
sworn
officer
or
is
this
another
position
that
we
might
reimagine.
P
I
guess
that's,
I
guess
that's
always
possible,
but
again
we'd
have
to
have
some
very
high.
I
mean
if
it's
just
the
question
of
filing
the
report.
We
can
do
that
online.
I
mean
the
the
key.
Is
the
follow-up
investigation,
not
the
actual
taking
of
the
report,
so
sure
we
could
always
send
people
out
to
take
reports?
P
We
have
people
who
walk
in
and
file
reports
every
day
with
our
non-sworn
help,
but
we
also
have
the
online
reporting
tool
and
I
think
really
it's
more
of
an
education
issue
of
advising
the
public
that
that
option
is
available
but
rep,
I
I
know
that
is
being
tried
in
other
cities.
You
know
to
have
people
go
out
and
take
those
reports.
P
B
I
just
have
a
comment:
the
the
summer
months
always
bring
more
activity
in
our
community,
so
I
can
really
appreciate
how
you
all
are
looking
at
the
jag
grant.
Traditionally
it's
been
used
to
replace
rifles,
but
it
seems
that
this
in
august
you'll
be
looking
to
apply
the
funds
around
community
strategies
and
patrol,
and
I
think
this
is
what
the
community
is
looking
for.
Right
now,
taking
our
focus
off
of
militarized
enforcement,
to
really
have
conversations
with
community
members
about
what
what
does
safety
mean
to
you
and
what?
B
What
do
you
need
and
how?
How
can
we
support
you
and
how
would
the
engagement
best
suit
the
community
as
a
whole?
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment
that
I
I
recognize
that
and
I
think
it
would
be
very
helpful.
Also.
I
would
I
would
like
to
say
to
the
entire
committee
and
all
the
staff
who
are
listening.
We
are
entering
into
the
hot
seasons
the
summer
months
and
miss
campbell.
B
I
was
gonna
have
this
conversation
with
you
on
tomorrow,
but
I
would
really
like
this
time
spent
as
a
as
a
committee
where
you
have
three
elected
officials
and
we
have
robust
staff
to
to
to
kind
of
reformat
our
time
together
to
make
it
a
work
group
to
to
work
through
all
of
the
things
that
we
have
in
play
concerning
reimagining
the
reduction
of
of
our
police
staff,
but
still
requiring
you
know,
coverage
for
areas
assisting
our
community
in
this
transition
from
reporting
every
call
to
to
other
systems
that
we
have
in
play.
B
I
don't
know
exactly
what
it
is,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
things
that
can
really
help
us
shape
a
community
safety
trac,
a
strategy
consolidating
9-1-1,
looking
at
how
we
reorganize
our
relationship
with
asheville
housing
authority
and
the
the
city
school
system
I
want
to
have
I
want
to.
I
want
this
to
be
more
of
a
think
tank
in
order
just
doing
business.
Yes,
we
have
to
do
business,
but
I
think
there
is
an
opportunity
here.
We
have
been
criticized
in
times
past
and
it's
a
real
criticism.
B
It's
a
it's
a
real
criticism
that
not
too
many
elected
officials
are
focused
on
public
safety.
But
again
you
have
three
council
members
here:
we're
ready
to
do
the
work,
we're
ready
to
push
forward.
So
maybe
there
is
a
way
that
we
can
use
this
time.
It
can
be
more
productive.
S
Absolutely
we
will
do
our
best
to
see
if
we
can
structure
a
conversation
around
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
have,
as
it
relates
to
reimagining
public
safety,
and
do
it
in
a
way
that,
hopefully,
our
discussion
will
be
a
discussion
and
not
necessarily
a
final
decision
of,
of
course,
that
you
know
needs
to
take
place
with
full
council.
But
but
yes,
absolutely,
this
can
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
think
through
issues
and
concerns
around
community
safety.
And,
ironically,
you
you
named
911.
S
The
conversations
with
the
schools,
the
the
chief
and
I
had
conversations
with
the
assistant
superintendent
just
last
week
about
school
resource
officers
and
the
role
that
police
need
to
play.
So
there
is,
there
is
a
lot
of
of
momentum
and
movement
related
to
the
reimagining
things
concepts
that
we
got
back,
input
that
we
got
from
the
community
and
we
have
been
doing
them
at
a
staffing
level
versus
bringing
all
of
that
to
to
council.
For
discussion,
but
we
can
certainly
move
in
that
direction.
B
Yeah,
I'm
just
a
a
believer
that
change
requires
management
and
leadership.
Rather
change
requires
leadership.
So
I
wanted
to
put
this
out
here
in
to
the
committee
so
that
the
committee
can
hear
that
this
is
direct
the
direction
I
believe
we
should
shift
into
because
it
is
gonna
need
this
transition.
B
C
Hey
everybody
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
ben
woody,
I'm
the
director
of
development
services
and
I
am
going
to
move
through
a
lot
of
material
as
quickly
as
I
can,
but
there
is,
there
is
some.
I
think,
substantive
information
that
I
want
to
share,
not
just
with
the
committee
with
the
community
as
well,
so
before
I
dive
into
it.
You
you
are
welcome
to
ask
me
questions
at
the
end
of
the
presentation.
C
You're
also
welcome
to
ask
to
stop
me
or
pause
me
at
any
time
and
ask
a
question,
so
I'm
I'm
comfortable
either
way
that
the
committee
wants
to
do
that.
So
with
that,
I
will
dive
in
next
slide
please
so
this
is.
This
is
a
slide.
These
are
the
guiding
principles.
I
know
chair
smith,
you've
seen
this
slide
a
bunch
of
times,
but
we
have
always
the
staff
we
developed.
This
slide
are
these
guiding
principles
when
we
started
this
process
two
years
ago,
I
recognized
claire
richardson.
O
C
Granny
miser,
who
were
on
the
call
and
have
done
this
for
two
years
with
me,
and
we
we
have
tried
our
best
to
abide
by
these
principles.
I
just
want
to
make
a
note
that
I
think,
depending
on
your
perspective
on
this
topic,
you
may
or
may
not
think
we've
done
that.
But
again
we
have
really
tried
to
find
balance
throughout
this
process
and
we've
used
these
guiding
principles
for
more
than
two
years
now.
Next
slide,
please-
and
as
I
mentioned,
we've
been
at
this
for
for
a
while.
C
It's
been
two
years,
it
didn't
help
that
we
had
a
pandemic
right
in
the
middle
of
it,
so
that
certainly
caused
some
delay,
but
we
we're
in
a
position
now
where
we're
ready.
We
think
the
ordinance
is
close
to
final
we'd
like
to
present
some
of
those
recommendations
today
and
hopefully
keep
moving
this
process
forward.
Because
again
it's
been
a
long
time,
and
I
believe
there
are
some
tools
in
this
new
ordinance
will
help
us
with
our
enforcement
efforts.
Next
slide
real
quickly,
just
want
to
recognize
this
isn't
hasn't
been
just
a
dsd
initiative.
C
There's
been
a
lot
of
partners
within
the
city
organization.
I
especially
want
to
thank
the
asheville
police
department
and
the
office
of
equity
inclusion
for
their
help.
They've
been
with
us
for
the
entire
two
years
and
they've
been
instrumental
in
helping
us
manage
this
project
next
slide,
please
the
noise
issues.
We
know
what
those
are
we've
kind
of
always
known
what
those
are.
We
have
significant
survey
data
that
tells
us
this.
We
can
look
at
the
apd
call
of
data
the
nature
of
those
complaints
so
again,
you've
seen
this
before.
C
I
just
want
the
committee
to
kind
of
see
what
what
the
top
issues
have
been
through
the
course
of
this
process
next
slide,
so
here's
where
it
gets
challenging.
So
I
think
we've
got
a
good
ordinance.
You
saw
that
in
january
at
that
public
safety
update,
we
are
going
to
make
some
recommendations.
Some
changes
to
that
ordinance
that
you
saw
in
january,
but
I'll
say
the
bullets
you
see
on
the
left.
I
think
that
generally
represents
where
there's
consensus
in
the
community.
C
It
doesn't
always
feel
like
everybody's
together,
but
there's
we
probably
agree
on
a
lot
more
than
we
don't
at
this
point,
but
I
think
everybody
wants
asheville
to
be
a
special
place.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
belief
in
community-based
solutions,
education
and
just
being
transparent
and
straightforward
in
this
program,
but
that
doesn't
mean
if
you
see
the
bullets
on
the
right,
there
are
still
issues
or
areas
that
we
do
not
have
consensus
on
decimal
levels.
You've
already
heard
some
of
that
in
the
comments
section,
I'm
sure
you'll
hear
more
after
this
presentation.
C
C
There's
a
real
desire
in
the
community
to
have
a
noise
advisory
board,
so
some
sort
of
public
oversight
that
comes
from
both,
I
think
music
interests,
business
interests,
resident
interests
and,
finally,
there's
always
a
lot
of
concern
about
how
the
city
does
enforcement.
So
again,
we've
got
some
some
work
to
do
and
those
may
ultimately
be
decision
points
for
the
city
council
next
slide,
please.
C
C
I
think
the
ordinance
in
and
of
itself
is
just
a
piece
of
what
the
city
should
be
doing
with
this
program
area.
So
we
kind
of
look
at
this
holistically,
so
we're
going
to
talk
a
lot
about
the
ordinance,
but
I
just
want
to
remind
people
that
this
all
includes
how
we
administer
this
program,
how
we
educate
our
residents
and
businesses
in
asheville
how
we
help
people
become
better
neighbors.
You
know
we
always
start
that
at
that
point
that
place.
C
You
know
we
think
every
18
months
or
two
years
it
could
be
different,
but
just
to
make
sure
is
it
working
like
we've
intended
it
to
work?
Is
it
having
the
outcomes
that
we
expected
it
to
have?
So
we
want
to
commit
to
that
and
we
think
all
that
together
makes
a
noise
control
program
next
slide,
please
one
of
the
things
that
we
that
we
did
on
this,
that
was
new
for
us
and
has
been,
I
think,
was
really
informed.
C
C
Excuse
me
and
then
just
making
sure
that
we
find
ways
to
address
these
concerns
before
we
result
to
any
kind
of
punitive
measures
like
a
civil
penalty
and
claire.
If
you
can
click
on
the
the
data,
there's
a
link
here
to
use
data,
I
think
that
should
open
up
a
spreadsheet.
If
we
can
do
that
here,
we
go,
and
I
just
want
to
take
a
second,
because
one,
a
big
part
of
what
the
city
does
is
using
data
to
make
better
decisions-
and
I
just
want
to
if
we
can
get
it
to
open
share
here.
C
We
go.
This
reminds
me
a
lot
of
what
apd
just
showed
you,
but
this
is
asheville
police
department
call
volume.
I
believe
this
represents
calls
yep
from
january
of
this
year,
through
april
15th.
We're
proposing
to
do
probably
we
haven't
figured
this
out
yet
dan
limly's
on
the
call
so
we're
working
with
him
on
this,
but
probably
regular
data
adopts
where
dsd
can
see.
C
This
is
dispatch,
call
data
and,
of
course,
there's
other
ways
to
get
complaints,
but
what
it
lets
us
do
from
an
equity
perspective
is
number
one
understand
how
best
to
program
our
staff
resources
right
now.
90
of
noise
calls
happen
outside
of
dsd's
business
hours.
So
obviously,
we've
got
a
challenge
in
terms
of
how
we
reprogram
these
new
staff
and
the
hours
they
work,
but
we're
working
on
that
we
know
like
chair
smith,
said
earlier.
We
know
the
summer
is
busier.
We
know
the
times.
C
We
know
how
to
go,
find
the
noise
issues
and
be
more
proactive.
Once
we
get
the
staff
in
place
to
do
this
at
the
top
of
that
page,
you
could
actually,
we
know,
we
know
our
busiest
days
so
at
the
top
of
the
page,
we
can
even
see
or
the
first
page
clear
if
you
can
go
back
up-
and
I
don't
do
this
to
call
out
any
business
or
any
any
residential
community.
This
is
just
an
example.
We
can
actually
see
where
complaints
are
coming
on.
C
We
can
see
heavy
concentrations
of
complaints
so
rather
than
wait,
you
know
and
kind
of
deal
with
those
complaints.
Incrementally
one
call
at
a
time.
We
actually
think
we're
in
the
position
to
proactively
reach
out
to
some
of
these
areas
and
understand.
What's
the
nature
of
the
complaints
what's
causing
it,
what
can
we
do
to
solve
this
chronic
noise
issue
proactively?
So
again,
we
think
data
plays
a
big
big
tour
in
some
of
these.
C
As
best
we
can
we're
already
trying
to
address
some
of
these
that
we're
seeing
come
into
this
with
high
call
volume
at
the
moment.
So
if
we
can
go
back
to
the
presentation
claire,
thank
you
in
the
next
slide,
and
so
that
brings
me
to
what
we
want
to
talk
about
today.
Really
is
we
share?
The
draft
ordinance
we
think
most
of
that
is,
is
in
good
shape
and
does
what
it
needs
to
do.
C
C
If
the
noise
originates
in
a
residential
district,
a
right-of-way
or
other
public
space,
it
is
subject
to
a
noise
disturbance
standard
that
is
a
more
subjective
standard
that
I'll
talk
about
in
a
second
that's
the
way
we've
we've
are
proposing
to
manage
this
program.
That's
based
on
some
of
our
equity
work,
some
of
our
conversations
with
other
jurisdictions
and
what
we
think
is
most
successful
for
enforcement.
I'll
note
real
quickly.
I
just
I
just
spoke
with
wilmington.
They
recently
updated
their
noise
ordinance
and
they're,
using
both
these
standards
citywide.
C
So
let's
talk
about
noise
disturbance.
So
remember
this
is
the
standard
we
have
this
actually
currently
in
place,
and
it
has
proved
very
difficult
to
enforce
commercial
noise,
but
we
actually
believe
that
applying
the
noise
disturbance
standard
in
public
space
rights
of
ways
in
residential
districts
again,
that's
when
the
noise
originates
in
those
districts.
So
this
isn't
noise
from
a
business
to
a
house.
This
is
noise
from
residents
to
residents
first,
the
important
thing
is
is
that
the
noise
disturbance
gives
you
a
little
bit
of
flexibility.
C
I
would
say
at
enforcement
volume
in
and
of
itself
is
not
the
sole
determinant
of
a
violation.
If
you
have
a
decimal
standard,
all
that
matters
is
the
decibel
level.
I
think,
in
residential
context,
in
public
space.
I
think
there
are
other
other
determinants
of
a
noise
disturbance.
Beyond
just
volume
there
can
be
duration,
there
can
be
the
nature
of
the
area,
the
time
of
the
day,
etc.
C
So
what
we
believe
is
a
noise
disturbance
standard
allows
the
enforcing
staff
to
evaluate
the
unwanted
unwanted
noise
using
different
criteria.
Now
volume
is
still
a
standard,
so
you
see
right
there
number
two.
We
can
still
take
a
meter
use
that
to
help
us
assess
and
apply
that
standard,
but
we're
not
bound
by
the
meter
used
for
a
noise
disturbance,
standard
and
probably
the
most
important
thing,
and
I
think
this
really
is
important
when
it
applies
residential
to
residential.
C
O
C
So
this
is
the
same
standard
that
applies
citywide,
so
this
applies
for
residential
to
residential.
It
is
different
in
that
context,
because
we're
going
to
approach
it
differently,
and
that
goes
back
to
the
equity
slide
that
I
showed,
which
is
we're
going
to
try
to
work
with,
and
I
haven't.
I
actually
have
an
example
later
in
the
presentation,
we're
going
to
walk
folks
through
what
that
actually
looks
like,
but
I
think
we're
going
to
approach
this
a
little
more
proactively.
C
C
K
C
To
go
to
the
next
slide,
if
that's:
okay,
okay,
so
this
is
the
other
part
of
this,
and
this
is
where
I
want
to
take
a
second
to
walk
through
this.
These
are
the
decibel
standards
that
we
are
proposing
in
the
current
draft
ordinance
with
a
slight
modification-
and
this
is
again
this
is
noise
or
sound
that
originates
in
a
commercial
district,
so
these
are
going
to
be
businesses
what's
really
important,
and
I
want
to
make
this
point
really
clearly
is
own
your
own
property
in
your
own
building
in
your
backyard.
C
C
So
remember,
these
decimal
levels
are
measured
at
the
receiving
property.
So
what
we're
talking
about
is
not
how
loud
you
can
be
on
your
property
or
in
your
venue
or
business,
but
how
loud
can
you
be
on
somebody
else's
property
and
how
does
that
change
with
the
different
times
of
day,
et
cetera?
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
clear,
but
I
think
sometimes
there's
some
confusion
over
that.
C
C
So
another
thing
is:
that's
come
up
a
lot
and
I
want
to
acknowledge
this.
Is
you
know,
there's
some
concern
over
the
daytime,
so
we
have
set
10
p.m.
Again,
you
can
be
you
can
the
band
or
anything
else
can
go
on
well
beyond
10
p.m.
It's
just
the
decibel
levels
in
this
current
draft
lower
at
that
time
of
night
for
other
people's
property
that
can
be
11.
A
lot
of
places
will
will
make
that
11
p.m.
On
fridays
and
saturdays,
some
places
even
make
it
12
p.m.
C
On
fridays
and
saturdays,
we've
also
we'll
see
an
example
in
a
second
of
places
that
make
it
nine
pm
on
weekdays.
So
that's
really
just
whatever
the
community
wants
to
see
in
terms
of
when
should
it
begin
to
get
quieter
on
other
people's
property?
Another
thing
is,
we
have
in
councilman
ronan.
You
requested
this
and
in
the
agenda
package,
there's
a
pretty
detailed
list
of
what
other
cities
are
doing
in
terms
of
their
noise,
ordinance,
we've
benchmarks
again
against
these
cities.
C
We
have
had
conversations
with
the
enforcement
staff
in
raleigh,
charlotte
and
wilmington
to
understand
why
they
made
the
decisions
they
made.
Every
city
is
unique
in
what
they're
trying
to
accomplish
the
staff
has
taken
more
than
we
have
actually
literally
me,
claire
and
grana
have
went
out
and
taken
more
than
70
individual
decimal
readings
in
asheville.
So
we
we
feel
pretty
good
about
what
the
sound
is
in
asheville
and
the
decimals
that
exist.
C
I
can't
say:
we've
measured
everybody
or
we've
caught
every
situation,
but
we
have
consistently
made
ourselves
available
to
any
party
that
would
like
us
to
come.
Take
decimal
measures,
measurements
if
they're
concerned
and
last
thing
I
got
a
hit
on
this
real
quickly,
the
cbd
you
know.
Obviously,
we've
had
some
calls
on
that,
but
another
another
difficult
and
just
a
difficult
area
in
general
is
when
you
have
businesses
that
are
subject
to
a
decibel
standard
and
those
businesses
are
located
one
in
a
dense
area
like
downtown
or
two
on
a
corridor
that
it
joins
residential.
C
Is
we're
concerned
about
applying
those
in
situations
where
you
have,
for
example,
on
haywood
road,
where
businesses
directly
adjoin
residential
and
just
to
give
some
context
of
that
approximately
nine
percent
of
the
parcels
zoned
residential
in
the
city,
so
about
nine
percent
of
our
residentially
zoned
parcels
above
a
commercial
central
business
or
industrial
zoning
district?
So
those
are
those
transition
areas
that
are
really
difficult
to
deal
with
in
this
type
of
sound
ordinance.
C
Next
slide,
please
I'll
try
to
move
a
little
faster.
This
is
just
an
example
of
some
other
jurisdictions.
One
count
one
caller
started
to
reference
this
earlier,
but
some
decide
to
measure
from
the
producer
some
decide
to
measure
from
the
receiver
either
way
works.
Fine
staff
would
only
say
that
if
whatever
we
decide
to
do,
we
need
to
calibrate
the
decimal
levels
appropriately
based
on
where
that
measurement
occurs
and
I'll
just
let
this
sit
for
a
second
there's,
a
lot
of
variability
in
decibels.
C
Everybody
does
it
differently,
and
that
really
is
true.
Next
slide,
please
measurement's
important.
I
talked
about
this.
The
proposal
is
to
measure
where
the
sound
is
received.
Another
thing,
I
think
I
want
to
make
sure
everybody
understands
it's
not
the
max
just
because
you
hit
72
decibels.
One
time
doesn't
mean
you
violate
the
ordinance.
We
have
special
meters
that
can
do
what's
called
the
leq,
so
it'll
run
it'll
run
the
measurement
for
a
minute
and
it
averages
it.
So
it's
an
average
decibel
level.
It's
not
not
a
one-time
max.
C
So
that's
how
you
apply
that
number
next
slide
please
this
is.
This
is
not
not
a
big
issue,
but
I
do
I
want
to
highlight
this.
One
thing
that
we've
really
struggled
with
is
trying
to
find
a
way
that,
in
this
case,
after
10
pm
or
if
it
becomes
11
is
we
do
have
businesses
that
point
speakers
out
there
open
windows
and
doors
into
the
public
space,
so
this
was
just
an
attempt
to
try
to
limit
a
business's
ability
to
do
that.
C
You
certainly
can
point
your
speakers
inside
your
space
and
again
you
can
make
all
the
noise
you
want
to
in
your
space,
but
this
was
just
an
attempt
to
have
an
easy
way
to
actually
prevent
noise
from
being
projected
through
windows
intentionally
in
the
public
space.
We've
had
a
hard
time
getting
consensus
on
this
from
residents
and
businesses
next
slide,
please.
C
C
They
are
limited
to
fireworks
on
federal
holidays
outside
of
that
no
more
than
12
times
a
year,
and
this
is
for
the
tourists
they
can
do,
those
on
friday
and
saturday,
no
they've
committed
to
no
later
than
11
30
p.m,
and
the
other
piece
is
they've
committed
to
testing
an
advanced
notification
system
that
will
give
neighboring
property
some
some
advanced
notice
before
the
fireworks
go
off,
so
you
can
be
prepared
for
your
sleeping
baby
or
dogs
or
whatever
it
may
be.
C
So
again,
just
wanna
make
sure
everybody
knows
that
tourists
are
not
exempt
from
the
fireworks
shows
next
slide.
Please
one
thing
we
had
in
the
original
draft
was
the
concept
of
a
music
venue
permit
that
that
was
poorly
received.
It
was
proving
difficult
to
enforce
and
manage
so
we
are
dropping
that.
C
So
if
you
are
a
music
venue
or
if
you're
a
a
bar
or
a
brewery
that
has
music,
you
do
not
need
a
permit,
provided
you
meet
the
decimal
levels
in
the
ordinance
next
slide,
please,
but
when
you
do
need
a
permit,
another
area
that
I've
just
got
to
take
a
second
to
talk
about
is
the
concept
of
sound
exceeding
so
most
most
cities
and
again
this
is
in
the
information
we
shared
per
council
on
manronie's
request.
Most
cities
have
some
sort
of
allowance
for
businesses
to
exceed
the
base
decimal
levels.
C
C
C
The
sound
exceedance
of
permit
applies
when
your
events
exceed
the
decimal
level.
So
this
is.
This
is
a
framework
for
going
outside
of
what
the
decibel
levels
would
be.
So
one
thing
is
asheville's
a
great
place.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
non-profit
fundraisers,
there's
a
lot
of
annual
celebrations,
so
we
think
it's
important
to
at
least
allow,
and
it
could
be
more
but
right
now,
two
events
where
any
business
can
get
a
permit
and
that's
all
it
is
it's
a
permit
which
triggers
an
advanced
notification.
So
you
notify
your
neighbors.
C
You
have
your
party
exceed
your
decimal
levels,
your
fundraiser,
whatever
it
is.
The
second
tier
perhaps,
is
businesses
that
do
this
more
frequently
they
have.
Maybe
several
outdoor
concerts
a
year
same
thing:
they
get
a
permit
application.
They
provide
a
sound
impact
plan
that
impact
plan
doesn't
require
an
acoustical
professional.
It's
just
a
series
of
steps
to
make
sure
you're
trying
to
manage
your
decimal
levels,
which
could
be
as
simple
as
are
you
pointing
your
speaker
at
the
neighbor's
house,
or
are
you
pointing
it
away
from
your
neighbor's
house,
just
simple
things
like
that?
C
That
can
help
with
sound
that
perhaps
people
don't
always
think
about
the
third
tier
which
you
know
which
is
geared
towards
performance
center.
So
this
would
apply
to
places
in
asheville
that
are
permitted
to
host
outdoor
concerts
because
generally
outdoor
concert
is
what's
going
to
generate
or
trigger
the
decimal
requirements.
So
these
are
places
that
are
permitted
that
way
they
were
permitted
that
way
through
the
zoning
ordinance.
They
have
a
right
to
exist
and
have
outdoor
concerts.
C
In
this
particular
case,
if
they're
having
more
than
nine
shows
up
to
30,
they
would
submit
the
permit
annually.
It
can
be
one
to
cover
all
their
events.
They
would
have
a
professional,
sound
impact
plan,
so
they're
going
to
hire
an
acoustical
engineer
to
make
sure
they're
managing
their
decibel
levels
in
a
comprehensive
way
and
they
are
permitted
previously
as
a
performance
center.
So
this
is
a
key
part
of
their
business.
C
That
would
be
the
largest
tier
in
terms
of
selling
exceedance
permits.
One
thing
that,
if
you'll
see
at
the
bottom,
I
would
recommend
that,
as
part
of
this,
the
city
take
a
look
at
how
we
allow
performance
centers
it.
We
basically
allow
outdoor
performance
centers
in
almost
any
commercial
zoning
district
with
very
little
standards,
so
that
it
is
very
easy
to
locate
those
with
really
no
consideration
of
you
know
their
impact
on
residential
areas.
So
that's
probably
something
that's
worth
looking
at
as
part
of
this
ordinance
next
slide,
and
I'm
almost
done.
C
I
know
it's
a
lot
of
information.
This
is
the
penalties.
I
want
to
be
real
clear
these
these
penalties,
this
concept
of
having
a
warning
and
a
suspension,
and
eventually
a
revocation.
This
only
applies
to
sound
exceedance
permits.
So
this
framework
is
one
that
lets
us
work.
Hopefully
work
with
a
venue,
that's
getting
a
sound
exceedance
permit
to
make
sure
you
know
they
are
mitigating
that
noise
make
sure
they're
getting
a
permit
those
types
of
things.
C
So
really
this
doesn't
apply
to
anybody
else.
So
if
any
other
business
in
asheville
ends
up,
you
know
the
subject
of
a
noise
ordinance
violation,
they
would
just
eventually
be
subject
to
a
civil
citation.
This
concept
of,
revocation
and
suspension
only
applies
to
the
sound
exceedance.
Permit
next
slide,
please
so
enforcements.
I
mentioned
earlier
that
we're
trying
to
work
with
apd
to
kind
of
kind
of
figure.
This
out
this
you
know
number
one
is
us
bringing
on
the
additional
staff
that
work
different
hours
and
to
help
with
this
early
in
the
con.
C
Earlier
in
the
meeting
we
talked
about,
you
know,
I
think
maybe
chair
smith
mentioned
this,
but
different
ways
to
get
complaints.
So
not
every
noise
complaint
has
to
go
through
the
non-emergency
line.
There's
lots
of
ways
for
us
to
know,
there's
a
noise
issue.
We
are
working
on
building
a
some
sort
of
online
forum
or
using
the
actual
app
to
do
that.
C
I
think
that's
a
great
way
to
let
people
bring
complaints
directly
to
dsd,
especially
things
that
really
just
don't
need
to
have
apd
involved
at
all
and,
of
course,
the
more
we
build
capacity
around
noise
enforcement.
I
think
the
more
we
can
take.
Apd
out
of
that
and
kind
of
reduce
the
burden
they
have
from
helping
us
and
after
hours,
next
slide.
C
So
three
examples
and
then
I'll
be
I'll.
Be
done.
Example,
one
is
what
does
it
look
like
in
a
resident
to
resident
noise
or
remember?
This
is
subject
to
the
noise
disturbance
standard.
C
C
C
Now,
if,
if
at
some
extent
that
doesn't
work,
if
we
can't
respond
to
the
chronic
residential
noise
issue,
then
then
you
move
into
potentially
things
like
civil
citations
or
even
contacting
a
landlord
or-
and
we
would
probably
do
this
anyways
but
trying
to
work
with
the
landlord
to
solve
the
chronic
issue.
When
I
spoke
with
raleigh,
they
gave
examples
of
you
know,
there's
a
kid
on
the
second
floor
that
likes
to
jump
off
the
bed.
C
They
work
with
the
apartment,
complex
manager
and
eventually
move
that
family
down
to
a
lower
floor,
because
that
minimize
the
noise-
that's
not
always
going
to
work
that
way,
but
the
resident
to
resident
example
is
trying
to
work
together
to
try
to
solve
the
problem.
If
we
can
next
slide,
please
business
to
resident
is
very
similar
same
thing.
It
starts
with
a
good
neighbor
policy.
I've
always
found
in
nashville
that
almost
always
businesses
are
very
approachable.
C
So
we're
always
going
to
ask
the
neighbor
or
the
hoa
to
contact
the
business
first,
because
again
they
don't
know
what
they
don't
know.
If
the
disturbance
continues,
then
we
would
ask
they
submit
a
noise
complaint,
dsd
or
apd
would
respond
to
assess.
If,
again,
this
is
a
decimal
standard,
so
it's
a
little
bit
easier
to
assess
if
there's
actually
a
violation,
if
there's
a
violation,
we
will
follow
up
with
a
noisemaker
with
education
and
a
verbal
warning
help
them
understand
what
they
can
do
to
comply
with
the
ordinance.
C
If
you
know,
if
the
violation,
let
me
back
up
so
yeah
and
in
that
is-
and
we've
done
this
successfully
with
a
few
businesses
in
the
past
few
months-
is
even
with
them
discussing
well,
how
can
we
make
this
work?
What
are
some
mitigation
options?
Can
we
close
our
window?
You
know:
can
we
reroute
traffic
through
a
different
door?
C
C
If
it
does
work,
if
we're
able
to
or
if
there's
not
a
violation,
then
I
think
the
city
staff's
proposing
we
close
the
loop
we
follow
up
with
the
resident
and
tell
them
that
the
business
in
fact
isn't
compliant.
We've
made
a
determination,
there's
not
a
violation
there,
so
either
way
at
the
end
of
this
process
is
to
try
to
deal
with
the
noise
issue
if
it
exists
and
then
close
the
loop
with
both
parties
next
slide,
please
is
this
is
one
that
I
know
apd
has.
C
C
Of
course,
the
noise
ordinance
applies
and
what
we're
at-
and
this
is
just
I
put
this
in
here-
because
just
a
big
topic
right
now-
what
we're
asking
residents
to
do
is
to
try
to
use
the
apd
tip
to
apd
tool
to
spend
information
about
the
vehicle,
the
type
of
vehicle
the
plate.
If
they
can
get
it,
and
you
know
any
information
that
can
help
determine
or
help
us
address,
that
noise
complaint
from
that
particular
vehicle,
as
we
talked
about
earlier,
apd,
will
receive
that
tip
and
dispatch
officers
as
available
next
and
last
slide.
C
C
There's
no
doubt
that
you
know
we're
in
a
difficult
time
right
now,
as
we
recover
from
covid
we're
still
learning
as
staff.
This
is
new
for
us
as
well.
It's
new
for
the
community,
so
we'd
like
to
propose
that
we
go
ahead
and
consider
the
ordinance
adopt
it,
create
a
delayed,
effective
date
during
that
delay
period.
You
know
we're
able
to
hire
the
positions
that
are
being
funded
to
help
us
with
this.
C
We're
able
to
one
thing
that
we
are
recommending
is
the
inclusion
of
a
noise
advisory
board.
That's
important
to
the
community
go
ahead
and
make
those
appointments.
Let
the
public
be
a
part
of
this.
What
we're
trying
to
do
fine
tune?
Any
objective
decibel
levels
make
sure
that
the
subjective
standard
and
residential
is
working
like
we
want
it
to
bring
that
back
to
the
council
before
the
ordinance
is
effective,
make
any
necessary
changes,
and
hopefully,
sometime
next
year,
have
this
in
place
and
hopefully
enforcing
it
and
and
making
it
work
for
the
community.
C
R
Hi
ben
this
is
sandra,
and
I
want
to
ask
you
about.
I
know
you
said
that
you,
you
checked
around
asheville
and
you
checked
some
of
the
decimal
around
the
area,
just
wondering
what,
when
you
were
dealing
with
the
buskers,
what
were
you
coming
up
with
as
far
as
decibel
levels.
C
So
that's
a
really
good
question
again:
buskers
are
not.
C
If
I
could
have
we're
cataloging
the
readings
buskers
are,
without
a
doubt,
the
highest
decimal
producing
things.
We've
measured.
That's
because
they're
outdoors,
usually
within
about
10
feet
of
a
busker
you'll,
get
between
68
69
and
we've
gotten
up
to
90
before
when
we're
about
across
the
street.
So
about
30
feet,
25
feet,
we
tend
to
get
75
down
to
about
65,
so
we're
finding
the
decibels
across
the
street
drop
about
10,
10
decibels.
C
R
So
I
do,
I
did
notice
that
a
lot
of
the
people
that
were
concerned
that
were
writing
in
or
calling
were
concerned
about
that.
How
do
you
really
regulate
that?
What
kind
of
you
know
tool
that
you
use
so.
C
I
think
once
we
get
to
the
point
that
we
have
ongoing
problems
and
we
do
we
have
some
that
are
just
too
loud.
I
think
you
know
at
that
point
we're
going
to
have
to
give
them
a
formal
warning
and
if
they
continue
to
do
it,
we're
going
to
have
to
issue
civil
citations,
we're
still
working
with
apd
and
legal
and
how
exactly
we
do
that
because
again,
we're
not
sworn
police.
C
So
we're
approaching
individuals
but
I'll,
say
that's
why
the
noise
disturbance
standard
is
kind
of
interesting,
because,
obviously,
if
you're
at
80
decibels
across
the
street
you're
too
loud,
that's
a
noise
disturbance
that
volume
is
too
loud.
But
the
other
thing
that's
interesting
is
sometimes
it's
not
the
decibels
that
are
the
problem,
but
the
fact
that
you're
playing
the
drums
and
you're
playing
the
same
two
songs
and
you
haven't
changed
locations
for
eight
hours.
I
would
say
that's
an
example
where
the
duration
is
too
much
like.
C
O
And
to
add
to
that
subjective
standard,
is
this
enforcement
going
to
be
proactive
or
is
it
entirely
complaint
driven
or
is
it
a
little
bit
of
both.
C
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
of
both.
The
way
we
want
it
to
be
proactive
is
education.
First,
I
think
we
want
to
make
sure
like.
So
the
majority
of
our
proactive
approach
will
be
to
talk
to
people
to
educate
people
to
make
sure
they
understand.
You
know
the
rules
or
the
ordinances
in
the
city
of
asheville.
C
I
will
say
this
councilman
ronnie,
if
somebody
if
a
busker
is
on
downtown
and
we're
out
and
they're,
and
I've
done
this
they're
at
90
decibels
we're
going
to
ask
them
to
turn
it
down,
so
I
mean,
but
but
no
generally,
like
our
ability
to
staff.
This
is
primarily
going
to
be
reactive.
O
Okay,
so,
first
of
all,
I
know
you've
been
working
on
this
so
hard
for
the
past
two
years
and
I've
been
following
it
really
closely.
I
think
so,
first
just
gratitude
because
I
know
you've
been
up
to
your
eyeballs
on
this.
There
were
some
things
about
your
presentation
that
were
new
that
I
found
interesting
that
I
think
we
might
want
to
address
for
public
to
digest.
C
O
Okay-
and
we
also
have
other
partners-
who've-
been
reviewing
this
and
working
together.
We've
done
probably
the
most
extensive
community
engagement
effort.
I've
ever
known
us
to
do
as
an
organization
following
these
conversations
for
years,
which
I
thought
was
something
to
be
really.
You
know
proud
of.
We've
used
the
new
gear
program
tools
when
folks
weren't
submitting
information
by
a
survey.
We
went
and
found
them
in
their
neighborhoods,
because
the
neighborhoods
were
a
big
issue.
O
C
C
I
don't
know
that
they'll
ever
get
complete
senses
consensus
on
those
decimal
levels.
I
think
some
of
that
they're
just
a
part
on,
but
yes,
the
if
the
public
safety
committee
asked
us
to
circle
back
to
that
group,
we
would
willingly
and
happily
do
that.
O
I
think
it
would
be
wise
because,
like
right
now,
we
know
because
of
the
asheville
area,
arts
council's
research,
that
the
city
of
asheville
has
200,
I
guess
buncombe
county
has
200
non-profits
500
art
organizations
and
the
city
of
asheville
had
pre-covered
312,
creative
jobs.
I'm
reading
this
off
the
report
and
1.4
billion
dollars
in
industry
sales.
So
this
is
not
only
like
a
multi-generational
industry,
it
has
minority
women-owned
businesses.
O
These
are
the
things
that
we
say.
We
want
to
support
local
businesses
and
a
lot
of
these
folks
weren't
eligible
for
stimulus
funding.
So
this
is
hitting
right
after
the
pandemic,
where
we're
still
needing
creative
solutions
for
seeing
a
recovery,
and
we
said
we
wanted
to
have
an
equitable
recovery
from
the
covet
19
pandemic.
O
So
I
just
think
this
is
maybe
the
wrong
time
to
not
go
back
and
check
with
our
partners,
especially
because
we
need
an
equitable
recovery.
O
So
personally,
I
would
like
to
see
us
go
back
and
and
check
in
with
the
coalition
of
nashville
neighborhoods
amp
and
the
buskers
collective,
but
I'm
also
in
a
different
area
concerned
about
vehicle
noise,
because
through
this
process
I
thought
there
was
also
an
equity
issue
with
the
cost
of
vehicle
maintenance,
and
I'm
surprised
that
we're
pursuing
this,
that
we
have
the
capacity
for
that
enforcement
and
that
we
made
the
switch.
So
did
something
change
in
the
process
where
we
decided
to
add
vehicle
noise
at
this
last
minute.
C
No,
I
no
it
didn't,
and
I
just
added
that
as
just
an
example
because
we
we
get,
I
get
a
tremendous
amount
of
emails
about
vehicles
and
I
guess
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
chief
I'm
going
to
try
to
a
little
bit,
but
they
don't
have
capacity
right
now.
So
I
think
any
any
enforcement
from
them
is
going
to
be
a
real
challenge.
I
will
say,
though,
in
my
observation:
there
are
vehicles
in
downtown
that
do
kind
of
make
a
like
a
circuit,
a
cycle,
and
sometimes
they
are
they're
very
loud.
C
R
Just
hold
back
to
apd
well,
I
was
happy
to
see
that
in
there
because
I've
been
downtown,
sometimes
I'm
down
there
a
lot
and
I've
noticed
that,
especially
on
the
weekends,
the
some
of
the
vehicles
are
so
loud
it
it's.
You
know
it's
so
annoying
that
you
know
we
just
say
we're
just
gonna
leave,
especially
in
that
center
part
of
downtown,
and
it's
almost
like
it's
become
the
thing
to
do.
You
know
with
some
of
the
kids
you
know
or
whatever.
O
So
one
of
the
things
I
didn't
see
in
this
this
last
presentation
as
we're
expected
to
make
a
recommendation,
is
that
like
sort
of
a
heat
map
for
where
the
most
complaints
are
coming
from,
because
I
know
when
we've
been
reviewing
it
over
the
past
couple
years,
both
in
the
public
and
now
officially,
is
that
the
complaints
are
mostly
stagnant.
There
are
they're
they're
staying
the
same
level,
but
it
was
neighborhoods
that
we
were
seeing
getting
the
most
complaints.
C
That's
that's
correct:
councilman
ronnie,
the
the
number
one,
the
number
one
area
for
complaints
is
downtown.
Without
a
doubt,
downtown
is
far
and
away
the
epicenter
of
noise
complaints,
but
then
the
next
four
census
block
groups
that
generate
you
know
the
highest
amount
of
complaints
are
primarily
residential
and
primarily
apartment
complexes
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
really
the
bulk
of
the
complaints
and
where
our
energy
really
needs
to
be
as
a
city
is
probably
working
in
those
residential
communities
to
try.
O
This
is
an
industry,
that's
in
recovery
mode,
so
I
think
we
are
going
to
have
to
look
really
carefully
at
that.
If
we
say
we
want
an
equitable
recovery,
because
you
know,
let's
say
that
my
my
friend
decides
they
want
to
play
the
same
pop
diva
tunes
on
the
sidewalk
over
and
over
again
for
an
hour
is
going
to
get
a
different
level
of
complaint
than
someone
who's
say.
Listening
to
hip-hop,
electronic
music
or
metal.
C
O
O
S
And,
and
if
if
I
could,
this
is
debra,
I
think
certainly
staff
will
do
what
you
all
direct
us
to
do
at
the
committee
level.
Obviously
it
will
be
council's
decision,
but
I
wonder
if
we
could
specifically
hone
in
on
what
is
the
the
biggest
concern
is
it?
Is
it
actually
the
decibel
levels,
because
once
staff
goes
out
and
we
re-initiate
conversations,
then
essentially,
we
are
opening
up
almost
an
entire,
the
ordinance,
the
noise
ordinance
in
its
entirety.
S
So
is
there
a
specific
issue
that
you're
asking
staff
to
pursue
versus,
let's
re-look
at
the
the
entire
ordinance,
and
I
think
what
staff
also
was
suggesting
is
certainly
we
wanted
to
go
out.
Excuse
me
and
do
a
little
testing
do
a
test
drive
of
these
standards
for
at
least
about
six
months.
S
That's
why
we're
recommending
that
the
effective
date
be
delayed
or
deferred,
and
hopefully
the
community
sees
that
as
a
result
of
the
conversations
that
we've
had
over
the
past
two
years
that
we
have
made
significant
adjustments
to
to
these
standards.
We've
tried
to
be
good
listeners
and
tried
to
as
one
of
the
guiding
principles
and
it
may
not
be
godly
principles,
but
it
was
early
on
in
the
presentation
related
to
to
balance.
S
S
It
it's
it's
iterative.
You
know
you
do
something
you
see
how
it
impacts
and
then
you
go
and
you
make
additional
changes
because
you've
gotten
either
this
somewhat
of
a
concern
from
the
community
that
we've
gone
too
far
or
we
haven't
gone
far
enough,
and
so
I
would.
I
would
just
ask
that
if
we
could,
if
we
don't
want
to
move
forward,
if
we
could
narrow
it
down,
if
we're
going
to
go
out
and
have
additional
public
input,
what
specifically,
are
we
seeking
from
the
public.
O
O
Folks
are
moving
here
because
of
our
culture
and
it's
not
just
music.
It's
also
performance.
So
when
I
look
at
this
and
I
consider
what
I'm
hearing
from
our
partners
extended
hours
and
higher
decibel
levels,
something
similar
to
a
combination
of
charlotte
and
wilmington
and
then
seeing
if
we
can
even
do
that
and
then
get
a
report
back
is
something
I
feel
like.
I
could
say
yes
to,
but
right
now
I
can't.
B
Okay,
so
kim
you
stated
two
different
directions
before
you
made
the
comment.
You
said
that
you
wanted
to
reopen
the
conversation
and
my
understanding
is
that
you
don't
want
to
open
it
up
across
the
board,
but
with
the
specific
compromise
that
was
established
by
can
and
amp,
is
that
correct.
O
Right
so
long
as
we
have
partners
that
are
at
the
table
together,
finding
solutions,
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
an
attitude
and
an
approach
that
we
want
to
foster.
So
if
we
haven't,
if
it's
possible,
that
we
can
do
that
and
bring
this
back
next
month
and
see,
if
we
can,
you
know,
get
some
professionals,
we
have
a
lot
of
engineering
professionals
in
our
community,
a
lot
of
connections,
then
that
could
be
one
option,
not
the
whole
thing.
This
part.
B
B
O
B
I
do
I
do
agree
that
in
the
downtown
area,
the
decibel
levels
that
we
have
stated
do
seem
below
average
to
me
and
I
think
without
amplification.
As
being
stated
and
without
turning
your
speakers
outdoors,
I
think
so
much
of
what
asheville
has
attempted
to
create
and
forming
this
lively
downtown
area.
I
believe
that,
just
on
a
standard
without
any
extras,
I
mean
we're
going
to
have
a
substantial
level
or
what
some
people
find
as
a
substantial
level
of
noise.
B
R
I
would
like
to
say
sort
of-
maybe
I
was
thinking
because
like
ben
was
saying
this,
there
will
be
sort
of
like
a
trial
period.
You
know
to
see
you
know
the
outcome
where
you'll
come
back
and
revisit.
You
know
things
that
we
can
change,
but
I
do
like
the
idea
of
maybe
starting
out
with
the
like
kim
said,
with
the
levels
of
wilmington.
R
R
I
think
we've
addressed
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
they
were
concerned
about,
so
I'm
thinking
by
doing
it
that
way
and
then
going
back
to
revisit
it
to
see
you
know
making
the
adjustments
that
way,
you're
giving
the
people
in
the
community,
especially
a
lot
of
the
entrepreneurs
and
the
people
that
make
their
money
this
way,
especially
during
the
period
of
you
know
what
we've
been
through.
R
S
And
I
guess
the
only
thing
that
I
would
just
add-
and
we
heard
this
from
some
of
the
earlier
speakers
is
don't
forget.
Our
central
business
district
is
also
where
people
live,
and
so
we
just
have
to
remember
when
we
talk
about
increasing
the
decibel
levels,
there's
a
little
bit
of
there's
a
little
bit
of
tension.
There.
R
Now,
deborah,
if
you,
if
you
do,
do
something
like
that
and
as
far
as
the
hours
that
they
can
actually
you
know
tweak
the
hours
that
it
can
operate.
Do
you
think
that
would
help?
Because
I
think
that's
really
what
it's
all
about?
R
Sometimes
it's
it's
the
hours
because
I
used
to
live
downtown
miami
and
basically
you
know
you
can
imagine
what
that
was
like,
but
the
thing
is,
but
I
found
out
like
it's
sacred
in
the
morning
with
the
construction
or
whatever,
but
they
would
come
at
a
certain
time
and
just
by
making
it
an
hour
later
like
they
were
talking
about
the
track,
it
made
a
big
difference,
so
maybe
we
can
tweak
it
as
far
as
see
you
know
the
timing
or
are
that
we
actually
do
and
then
maybe
that
would
help
you
know
a
lot.
S
I'll
definitely
defer
to
to
to
ben
and
claire,
but
I
think
just
so
that
we're
certain
about
the
next
steps.
Is
you
want
us,
your
staff,
to
go
out
and
convene
a
group,
and
it's
only
the
group
that
you
recommend
it
just
can
and
the
business
group
or
miss
ronnie.
O
Have
been
in
conversation
with
each
other
and
that's
what
I
would
like
to
foster.
We
talk
about
good
neighbor
policies
and
then
they're
modeling
it,
and
we
should
support
that
as
long
as
our
partners
and
our
neighbors
are
coming
together
and
doing
that.
Let's,
let's
say
yes
to
that
and
then
see
if
they
can
provide
some
input
on
these
decibel
levels.
R
The
only
thing
kim,
if
we
start
doing
that,
like
you
said
with
these
groups
and
then
what
do
we
look
like
if
the
other
groups
want
to
start
participating
and
then
we
feel
like
we're?
Just
sort
of
you
know
catering
to
this
group
because
they
came
together.
So
I
think
you're
sort
of
opening
up
a
whole
can
of
worms
as
to
where
you
can
go
and.
R
You
know
why
can't
we
work
with
if
they
did
do
a
slight
increase
of
the
decimal
and
then
we
and
like
I
said
the
can
and
the
amps
pretty
much
from
what
I'm
reading
that
would
sort
of
you
know
address
some
of
the
issues
that
they
had
that
way.
We
have
something
to
work
with
a
base
to
keep
it
moving,
rather
than
going
back
to
the
table
and
all
these
other
people
coming
in,
which
is
going
to
delay
the
process
even
more.
O
I
think
it's
at
both
end.
I
think
we
can
raise
the
decibel
levels
as
a
suggestion.
I'm
happy
to
make
that
motion
that
are,
I
just
trying
to
think
really
clearly,
it's
75
for
daytime
70
for
night
time
between
10
and
2.,
something
along
those
wilmington
levels.
At
that
I
would
be
willing
to
make
a
motion
support.
Then
we
move
it
forward
and
then
we
circle
back
with
what.
R
O
That's
something
I
can
support
while
we
circle
back
to
double
check
and
see
if
we
can
get
some
support
for
this,
I
mean
we're
not
going
to
please
all
the
people
all
the
time.
But
okay
is
there
a
motion,
a
motion
to
recommend
the
noise
ordinance
with
the
changes
to
match
the
wilmington
north
carolina
daytime,
nighttime
and
curfew,
recommendations
to
the
full
council.
R
B
B
D
Good
evening,
vice
mayor
smith
and
council,
persons,
kilgore,
ironi
and
manager
campbell
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
present
this
proposed
revised
alarm
ordinance.
D
If
you
want
to
look
at
it
in
one
sense,
the
letter
of
the
law
regulates
the
alarms,
whether
we're
talking
about
permits,
applications,
the
the
devices,
the
user
responses,
false
alarms,
the
review
of
false
alarms,
service
charges,
which
are
the
civil
penalties
and
the
allowable
devices
that
the
users
use,
but
then
there's
a
second
sense.
It's
the
spirit
of
the
law,
and
I
think
this
is
what
I
would
like
to
focus
upon
under
this
new
alarm.
D
As
you
can
see
here,
under
the
current
ordinance,
when
we
talk
about
the
letter
of
the
law,
there
are
civil
penalties.
This
is
the
current
ordinance
there's
requirements
for
alarm
users,
there's
fee
schedules
and
and
so
forth,
and
one
of
the
things
you
look
at
is
the
civil
penalties,
no
not
having
a
permit,
there's
one
warning
and
then
100
for
each
response
of
the
police
department
and
so
forth.
D
You
see
it
here
in
a
graduated
format
and
there's
always
the
aspect
of
due
process
for
the
the
alarm
user
and
pills
and
hearings
what
we
do.
So,
when
you
look
at
the
spirit
of
the
law
which
we
want
to
look
at
next
slide,
it's
to
reduce
the
number
of
false
alarms
and
here's
the
graph
for
2018
to
year
to
day
2021..
C
D
D
So
currently
some
will
do
this,
but
the
majority
of
them
don't
once
they
get
the
alarm,
they
call
the
asheville
police
department,
communication
center
and
a
call
is
built
in
sending
an
officer
under
the
enhanced
call
verification,
which
is
a
second
verification.
The
alarm
company
has
to
verify
the
alarm
and,
in
this
case,
they've
seen
a
state
across
the
standard.
40
decrease
in
false
alarms
and
in
fact
there
was
one
jurisdiction
that
actually
saw
their
false
alarm
rate
go
below
20
percent
next
slide.
D
D
B
B
Second,
all
right
do
a
roll
call
vote
for
approval,
councilwoman
kilgore
I
councilwoman
rony,
I
and
myself
I
and
the
motion
carries.
Thank
you
dan.
I
appreciate
you.
You
have
a
good
evening
all
right
now
we're
to
the
end.
B
We
have
public
comment
staff.
Is
there
anybody
in
the
speaker,
queue-
and
I
would
like
to
remind
if
so
I
take
it-
that
there
are
people
there.
Please
state
your
name
and
where
you
reside
you'll
be
given
three
minutes,
and
this
section
this
section
of
public
comment
will
be
held
up
to
30
minutes
for
our
yeah
jenna.
A
I
So
I
can't
fit
the
hinter
high
intensity,
drug
trafficking
area
issues
and
my
there
is
no
street
illicit
sentinel
solutions,
report
template
or
model
out
there.
If
you
just
explain
to
me
the
needs
on
that
need
there
that
you
guys
are
thinking
kim
just
said,
I'm
thinking
about
1980s
war
on
drugs,
universe
about
these
serious
issues
and
the
byden
harris
administration
isn't
back
there
in
the
1980s.
I
Their
new
office
of
drug
control
policy
director
is
a
woman
who
seems
to
share
a
lot
of
your
and
my
thoughts
about
what
reimagining
law
enforcement
is
about
harm
reduction
and
so
forth.
It's
not
general
mcca
mccafferty
in
the
in
the
90s.
I
We
had
a
four-star
general
in
charge
of
that
that
that
war
on
drugs,
but
it
is
a
it's
very
serious
you're
talking
about
transnational
organized
crime.
I
didn't
hear
even
change
the
act
or
the
the
hitta
executive
talk
about
transnational
organized
crime,
it
just
it
doesn't
seem
like
like
we
have
the
understanding
to
get
going
with
with
real
public
safety
there
about
return
of
these
matters
in
the
future.
I
like
kim
ronin
as
a
person,
but
she
can't
be
on
city
council
because
she
can't
defend
us.
I
I
was
in
the
military,
I'm
an
honorably,
honorably
discharged
veteran.
I
just
didn't
hear.
I
haven't
heard
anything
letting
me
know
that
she
can
execute
the
oaths
that
she
made
when
she
got
elected.
She
got
elected,
fair
and
square
given
given
those
small
numbers
that
go
out
to
vote
for
city
elections
and
vice
mayor
smith,
you're
kind
of
you
sound
pretty
weak
too,
to
be
honest
on
maintaining
public
safety
as
we
should,
as
we
search
for
the
political
strategy
policy,
innovations
and
resources
for
more
equitable
society.
I
U
I
I
feel
like
the
theme
that
I've
heard
throughout
this
meeting
really
makes
me
think
about
power
and
the
folks
who
who
seem
to
be
able
to
wield
it
really
easily
in
our
community.
U
When
I
looked
at
the
the
information
about
the
noise
ordinance,
I
saw
that
property
values
were
a
concern
and
I'm
also
a
local
real
estate.
Agent.
Property
values
are
a
concern
for
me
because
there
aren't
people
in
my
community
who
can
afford
housing,
not
because
I'm
worried
that
music.
That
makes
my
community
really
vibrant
is
going
to
decrease
any
wealthy,
downtown
condo
owner's
property
values.
U
The
wealth
disparity
that
we
have
in
our
community,
the
housing
shortage
that
we
have
in
our
community,
the
lack
of
resources
for
for
mental
health
for
folks
with
disabilities-
and
I
really
feel,
like
you
know,
with
with
this
opportunity
we
have.
As
so
many
police,
have
left
the
department.
We
can
hire
other
professionals
to
start
to
handle
these
things
instead
of
you
know
also
dealing
with
catering
to
things
like
noise
complaints,
where
it's
oftentimes,
you
know
the
same
complainers
who
are
calling
the
police.
U
It
happens
in
my
community
all
the
time
and
I've
witnessed
it
firsthand
at
ben's
tune
up
when
a
man
called
in
a
noise
complaint
and
proceeded
to
come
down
and
scream
in
the
face
of
the
manager
and
wag
his
finger
and
try
to
wield
his
power
over
her,
and
so
I
just
I
just
really.
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you
guys
are
doing.
I'm
really
seeing
a
shift
happening,
and
I
hope
that
we
can.
U
You
know,
shift
where
our
budget
is-
and
you
know
start
to
address
some
of
the
underlying
causes
of
the
so-called
crime
in
our
community,
because
it's
definitely
something
that
I
am
very
concerned
about
that.
I
you
know
witness
every
day
in
my
community
that
we
just
saw
with
the
tragedy
over
this
past
weekend
at
westville
pub.
The
problem
is
that
I
don't
think
we're
actually
anything
thanks.
V
Hello,
my
name
is
jessica
thomason.
I
am
the
co-founder
of
national
music
professionals.
I
am
a
23-year
resident
of
asheville
and
I've
lived
and
worked
downtown
for
all
of
or
I've
I'm
sorry.
I've
worked
downtown
for
all
of
those
23
years.
I
for
the
last
15
years
have
made
all
of
my
income
for
music.
V
I
have
been
involved
in
the
these
negotiations
and
discussions
with
the
city
and
with
the
coalition
of
asheville
neighbors,
and
I
want
to
say
first
and
foremost,
we
do
want
to
be
good
neighbors
and
we've
been
doing
our
best
to
come
to
a
middle
ground
and
quite
honestly,
right
before
last
week.
I
thought
we
were
really
there,
as
were
a
number
of
other
people
that
were
in
on
that
conversation
from
the
music
industry.
V
Readings
at
close
to
residences,
we've
gone
to
the
baseball
game
and
we're
closely
working
together
with
a
team
of
engineers
that
have
over
100
years
of
experience
to
put
that
information
out
to
the
general
public,
and
you
know
for
the
city
as
well,
and
so
I
say
that
because
it's
not
necessarily
easy
information
to
understand
right.
So
again,
you
know,
I
read
all
of
the
comments
that
people
had
written
in
from
the
meeting
that
was
supposed
to
happen
last
week
and
what
I
surmise
is
that
the
people
who
live
downtown
it's
loud.
V
I
know
it's
loud.
I
I
work
downtown.
I
hear
it
all
the
time
and
I
think
when
I
look
at
the
fact
that
they're
frustrated
with
with
construction
with
car
noise
with
drunk
people,
what
it
seems
like
they
can
control
is
music,
and
I
get
that-
and
I
understand
that
of
wanting
to
have
some
basis
of
some
control,
but
they
act
as
if
we're
doing
music
for
12
hours
a
day,
and
if
we're
talking
about
measuring
decibel
levels,
you
know
a
jackhammer
or
a
power
drill
is
at
130
decibel
levels,
dba.
V
V
We,
we
are
all
entrepreneurs
and
you
know
we
want.
We
want
a
noise
ordinance,
we
want
to
be
considered
a
legitimate
music
city,
and
for
that
we
need
to
have
a
noise
ordinance,
but
we
have
to
have
something
that
works
for
all.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
to
all
of
you
today.
I
appreciate
where
you've
come
to
with
your
decision
and
worked.
V
T
I
just
had
to
turn
off
that
100
dba
machine
I've
been
working
on
for
10
hours.
My
name
is
jose
in
terms
of
equity,
not
assume
everybody
has
a
residence,
I'm
one
of
the
thousands
of
homeless
people
working
homeless.
Here
in
nashville,
I've
been
here
two
weeks
kim
hang
in
there.
It's
like
kafka.
I've
been
on
this
for
two
hours
as
I've
been
working
and
it's
surreal
surreal
to
listen
to
this
surreal.
To
think
that
semi-educated
people
can
make
comments.
Like
biden,
wasn't
a
part
of
the
80s
and
90s
drug
war.
T
Yeah
just
go.
Do
a
quick
google
search
for
biden,
80s,
90s
drug
wars,
you'll
get
plenty
of
data.
Yeah
I've
been
here
three
weeks.
I
got
trespassed
out
of
a
empty
parking
lot
on
tunnel
road.
Two
officers
were
able
to
come
and
be
dispatched
there
just
for
sitting
in
the
back
of
my
truck
having
a
coffee
but
the
landlord,
the
owner
of
the
property,
not
the
not
any,
of
the
actual
tenants
being
business
there.
This
landlord
was
just
driving
around
and
trespassed
me.
I
was
then
at
a
planned
parenthood.
T
Counter-Protesting,
some
good
christian
folk
out
front.
Three
officers
were
able
to
respond
to
that.
There
was
no
crime.
Three
cars
came,
they
came
in
five
minutes.
You
know
this
double
speak
from
the
chief
this
all
of
this.
It's
madness.
It's
madness!
I
don't!
T
Please
put
this
energy,
you
put
into
noise
ordinances
into
real
public
safety,
arm
reduction
needle
exchange.
Narcan
training
like
you
can
do
it.
This
community
can
do
it,
but
do
we
care
about
public
safety
like
what
is
what
are
we
doing?
What
do
words
mean
anymore,
and
why
are
we
still
giving
more
and
more
money
to
the
police
and
sending
detectives
making
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
a
year
out
on
patrol
50
reduction
in
detectives,
30,
something
percent
deducted
deduction
in
officers
and
no
change
in
crime,
good
cut
their
budget
in
half?
T
E
Hi,
my
name
is
libby
takayatani.
I
want
to
talk
about
section
1088,
that's
entitled
permitting
the
noise
ordinance.
I've
lived
downtown
for
over
a
dozen
years
and
I
love
its
vibrancy.
But
I've
got
a
serious
problem
that
this
section
introduces
the
concept
of
private
outdoor
live
music
venues
to
the
cbd
in
the
efforts
to
revitalize
downtown.
E
The
city
has
sponsored
many
live
music
events
that
have
become
part
of
the
much-loved
fabric
of
downtown
and
I've
been
delighted
to
be
a
part
of
that
fabric,
but
note
that
these
are
public,
not-for-profit
events
and
that
they
have
all
supported
the
music
industry
and
musicians
in
nashville.
But
there's
been
no
open
discussion
about
whether
private
for-profit
outdoor
amplified
music
events
would
be
good
for
downtown
and
for
the
city
very
few
folks.
I've
spoken
with
about
this
new
concept
have
been
aware
of
its
existence
as
part
of
the
proposed
noise
arguments.
E
Well,
it's
a
somehow
mistaken.
This
section
makes
it
possible
for
bars
and
restaurants
all
over
downtown
to
host
private
events
with
loudspeaker
towers
set
up
on
their
patios,
and
I
don't
think
folks
really
grasp
what
it
would
mean
to
have.
The
potential
for
85
decibel
concerts
running
for
up
to
20
12
hours
a
day
from
multiple
venues
throughout
the
cbd.
E
E
Sure
outdoor
music
has
included
stripe
street
musicians
and
restaurant
musicians
and
front
porch
players,
but
generally
and
historically,
that
music
has
been
unamplified
and
usually
done
by
individuals
or
very
small
groups.
The
new
concept
of
private
for-profit
loudly
amplified
music
as
a
part
of
downtown,
is
not
a
part
of
our
tradition.
E
It's
a
wholly
new
concept
and
would
alter
downtown
in
enormous
ways.
If
we
want
to
abandon
the
idea
of
downtown
as
a
well-known
community
of
workers,
performers
creatives
together
with
the
full-time
residents
that
make
it
feel
like
something
more
than
a
tourist
trap.
Then
start
the
weekly
daily
and
potentially
overlapping
private
outdoor
amplified
music.
You
can
be
sure
that
julian
price
would
be
shedding
tears.
E
If
that
happens,
I'll
be
gone,
and
so
will
many
other
people
who
want
to
call
downtown
asheville
their
home.
The
apartments
will
become
just
so
many
more
hotel
rooms
and
downtowns
will
produce
the
very
character
that
brings
in
the
tourist
dollars
that
pay
for
musicians
to
perform
the
citizens
of
asheville
need
more
time,
so
they
can
be
made.
K
S
W
Hi,
my
name
is
liz
talent
and
I
am
an
asheville
resident
and
an
asheville
native,
a
music
professional,
I'm
a
mother
of
three
young
children
and
a
board
member
on
the
asheville
area,
arts
council.
W
I
do
want
to
address
the
commenter
who
spoke
right
before
me,
just
to
say
there
are
several
rightfully
zoned
and
permitted
outdoor
and
indoor
performance
venues
in
asheville,
both
in
the
cbd
and
other
commercial
corridors,
and
those
are
you
know,
approved
in
the
udo
and
the
exceedance.
Permit.
That's
in
the
ordinance
would
not
allow
more
than
one
or
two
events
per
year
unless
the
applicant
made
lots
of
good
faith
efforts
to
show
that
they
are
putting
on
professional
events,
shows
sound
mitigation
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
W
So
just
want
everyone
to
understand
does
not
mean
that
every
restaurant
in
town
is
going
to
put
up
speaker,
towers
and
do
ticketed
concerts.
W
That's
not
how
it
is
written
if
folks
want
to
take
another
look
at
it
kim.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
being
a
voice
for
the
music
industry
and
for
the
arts
and
for
our
musicians,
such
a
huge
part
of
our
of
our
culture.
Here
I
know
myself
and
lots
of
other
folks
have
been
working
on
this
for
well
over
a
year,
and
I
will
echo
what
jessica
said
that
I
felt
like.
W
We
had
already
reached
a
consensus
and
had
lots
of
negotiation
and
compromise
and
as
a
music
community,
we
had
willingly
accepted
limitations
such
as
how
many
events
per
year.
We
can
do
a
reasonable
85
decibels,
which
is
by
the
way
you
know
probably
20,
to
30
decibels
quieter
than
an
indoor
concert
would
be
at
the
residential
units
property
line.
So
that's
not
inside
their
condo,
that's
outside
at
their
property
line,
which
is
an
important
distinction
and
also
you
know.
We
had
accepted
curfews,
which
you
know
not
not
to
say
that.
W
I
don't
also
love
and
appreciate
our
minor
league
baseball
culture
here.
But
you
know
the
tourists,
the
mccormick
stadium,
had
no
such
limits
and
could
play
games
120
nights
a
year
if
they
wanted
to,
and
we
were
all
willing
to
accept
30
events
a
year.
So
I
feel
like
what
we
had
already
agreed
to
was
a
compromise,
and
you
know
many
of
us
have
put
in
hours
and
weeks
and
months
of
work
to
try
to
protect
our
music
scene,
which
is
really
the
crown
jewel
of
of
north
carolina.
W
I've
been
working
really
closely
with
neva
this
year,
the
national
independent
venue
association
to
save
the
music
industry,
which
has
been
you,
know
the
hardest
hit
in
the
pandemic,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
what
we
have
in
nashville
you're,
really
the
indie
of
the
country.
So
I
thank
you,
ken
for
your
advocacy.
H
H
The
fact
is
that
there
are
droves
of
officers
leaving
in
force
due
to
large
parts
of
the
fact
that
last
summer
they
came
face
to
face
with
the
anger
and
contempt
that
many
citizens
have
for
them.
Also,
many
cops
are
finally
starting
to
understand
that
they
will
be
held
accountable
for
their
brutality
by
being
legally
prosecuted.
B
All
right
any
more
comments
from
committee
or
staff
all
right.
Having
done
will
adjourn
today's
meeting
bye.