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B
Good
afternoon
I'm
gwen
whistler,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
planning
and
economic
development
committee
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
our
january
11th
meeting.
All
council,
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
these
committee
meetings
a
bit
differently
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
allowed.
B
B
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those
of
you
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there
with
us
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for
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B
B
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now
go
through
and
introduce
all
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
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B
And
planning
an
urban
design,
stacy
martin
hi
everyone-
this
is
stacy,
okay,
great,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
start
the
committee
agenda,
so
we
have
the
you
should
have
all
gotten
a
copy
of
the
minutes.
B
Lovely
so
we'll
do
a
we'll
do
we'll,
so
I'm
gonna
clue
you
in
I'm
gonna
vote.
Okay
and
I
was
at
the
meeting
so
so
I'm
gonna
roll
call
vote
to
approve
the
motion
and
the
second,
when
I
say
your
name,
please
say
I
or
nay
to
approve
the
minutes.
Councilwoman
kilgore,
aye,
councilwoman,
turner,
aye
and
I
will
also
approve
so
the
minutes
have
been
approved.
So
the
next
item
is:
we
only
have
one
item
on
the
agenda.
It's
the
hotel
development
update.
C
Thank
you
hi
everyone,
tyler
cuccini
planning
and
urban
design
director.
I
just
want
to
note
also
that
paul
d'angelo
from
our
community
and
economic
development
department
has
also
joined
us
just
to
assist
with
any
housing-related
questions
for
the
public
benefits
table.
C
The
purpose
of
today's
presentation
really
is
to
just
provide
you
all
with
an
update
of
where
we're
at
with
the
hotel
development
standards.
In
particular,
we've
made
a
number
of
different
changes,
since
we
held
two
city
council
work
sessions
in
october
of
last
year,
and
we
also
have
some
several
items
for
discussion
that
we'd
like
to
to
hear
your
your
input
on.
C
C
Thank
you
so
just
a
reminder.
If
you
weren't
able
to
attend
or
see
the
council
work
sessions
back
in
october,
we
had
several
key
takeaways
that
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
everyone
was
aware
of
throughout
the
one
we're
almost
approaching
that
one
and
a
half
years
for
the
end
of
our
development
moratorium
on
hotels,
which
expires
on
february
23rd.
C
We
started
this
process
back
in
september
of
2019,
and
some
of
our
findings
from
this
development
study
for
hotels
is
that
hotels
can't
be
banned
necessarily
outright
that
the
findings
from
the
urban
land
institute
and
city
staff
were
that
development
impacts
of
hotel
development
can
be
managed
and
the
way
we're
proposing
to
better
manage
impacts
of
hotels
is
through
the
creation
of
several
new
innovative
tools
that
we'll
cover
in
a
moment
next
slide.
C
C
The
there
are
three
key
elements
to
our
hotel
development,
new
regulations,
which
include
the
creation
of
a
new
hotel
overlay,
district
and
new
development
standards
for
hotels,
public
benefits,
and
the
third
key
element
is
a
revised
design
review
process
in
total.
If
you,
if
you
kind
of
recall
what
the
new
development
process
would
look
like
under
this
proposal,
what
staff
is
essentially
proposing
is
a
more
straightforward
and
predictable
development
review
process.
C
We
would
ask
an
applicant
who
submits
a
hotel
application,
whether
or
not
they
are
located
in
our
new
hotel
overlay
district
and
if
they
are,
we
would
go
through
a
series
of
review
criteria
to
establish
how
that
proposal
would
be
reviewed,
whether
that
would
be
at
a
city,
staff,
level
or
city
council
level.
C
The
the
other
way
that
a
proposal
would
be
reviewed
by
city
council
would
be
through
our
conditional
zoning
process,
and
that
would
be
our
other
option
here.
If
a
hotel
application
doesn't
meet
any
of
those
standards
or
criteria
that
I
mentioned
or
if
that
hotel
is
located
somewhere
outside
of
our
hotel
overlay
district
map.
C
The
reason
we're
proposing
these
new
key
elements
is
really
to
leverage
that
development
to
meet
community
needs.
We
feel
that
this
is
a
big
improvement
over
our
current
development
review
process,
in
which,
currently
all
hotels
come
before
city.
Council
staff
has
made
a
number
of
revisions
to
our
public
benefits
table
which
we'll
review
in
a
little
bit
and
we'll
cover
what
some
of
those
changes
are.
We
feel
that
the
public
benefits
table
has
been
beefed
up
if
you
will
so
that
we
are
really.
C
C
C
This
was
that
development
review
process
that
I
was
I
briefly
alluded
to.
During
this
pre
presentation,
we
tried
to
simplify
the
development
review
flow
chart
so
that
we
only
have
two
options
for
a
new
hotel
application.
B
Todd,
yes,
if
say,
say,
a
hotel
proposed
hotel
was
not
in.
B
Was
not
in
the
hotel
overlay
district,
so
it
immediately
came
to
conditional
zoning
will,
will
council
be
able
to
apply
the
standards
in
approving
that
conditional
zoning
that
you
know
the
public
benefits
and
the
public
benefits
apply
those
standards
for
the
conditional
zoning
or.
C
At
at
that
point,
those
standards
would
only
be
an
option
or
something
that
could
be
negotiated
with
or
amongst
city,
council
members
and
the
applicant.
I
think
the
the
public
benefits
table
and
any
of
these
standards,
in
my
view,
would
be
a
good
guide,
possibly
to
help
mitigate
any
impacts
of
that
project,
but
they
would
not
be
required,
so
any
of
those
public
benefits
or
any
other
standards
would
have
to
be
negotiated
amongst
city,
council
and
and
the
applicant
okay.
Thank.
C
You
next
slide,
please.
D
Todd,
I'm
sorry.
I
have
a
follow-up
question
to
glenn's
because
I
had
the
same
question
so
as
I
understand
it
right
now,
we
have
a
couple
problems
with
the
conditional
zoning
approval
of
hotels,
and
that
is
in
an
enforcement
there
after
capacity
is
that
correct
and
if
so,
to
gwen's,
point
so
say
a
larger
hotel
comes
in
than
any
of
the
room
numbers
or
is
not
able
to
is
not
in
the
zone.
Are
we
going
to
run
into
that
same
issue
where
we
go
through
a
conditional
zoning
process?
C
In
terms
of
enforcement,
as
you
know,
when
a
project
comes
before
city
council
there's
a
list
of
conditions
which
we
call
our
b1
conditions
and,
and
that
essentially
becomes
part
of
that-
that
development
approval,
even
at
a
staff
level
review
those
any
of
the
public
benefits
or
anything
that
the
developer
agrees
to.
C
That
would
that
would
have
to
still
be
reviewed
at
a
staff
level
to
make
sure
that
the
applicant
is
complying
with
all
of
the
aspects
of
their
their
application
and
what
they
are
are
saying,
they're
going
to
do
if,
if
none
of,
if
they
are
unable
to
meet
any
of
the
public
benefits,
for
example,
that
they
say
that
they
are
trying
to
achieve
then,
ultimately
from
an
enforcement
perspective,
the
city
would
not
issue
a
final
zoning
permit
or
may
not
issue
a
final
certificate
of
occupancy
that
we
would
have
several
triggers
or
or
kind
of
baked
into
the
process.
C
To
make
sure
we
don't
get
too
far
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
everything
that
the
developer
is
saying
they're
going
to
do,
that
we
have
several
checks
and
balances
to
make
sure
that
they
they
try
to
comply
with
that.
C
That
would
also
include
a
mixed
use
project
that
may
have
a
hotel
and
maybe
residential
integrated
into
it.
For
example,
we
also
have
a
a
new
threshold
or
just
a
threshold
that
we've
had
that's
part
of
our
proposal.
That
says
that,
if
a
hotel
that's
over
115
rooms,
that
would
also
trigger
city
council
review.
C
C
You
know
after
city
staff
looked
at
the
kind
of
the
development
trends
for
hotels
over
the
last
10
years,
especially
you
know.
We
found
that
a
majority
of
hotels
over
50
percent
of
them
are
are
100
rooms
or
less.
C
We
felt
that
the
around
the
115
room
level
would
still
capture
some
larger
hotels.
That
council
may
be
interested
in
reviewing,
but
but
our
goal
here
is
was
not
to
ensure
that
every
project
still
comes
before
city
council.
C
If
council
is
interested
in
reviewing
all
hotels,
then
then
that
threshold
could
be
lowered
from
115
rooms,
but
at
this
time
city
staff
is
proposing
the
115
rooms
as
a
trigger
for
city
council
review,
and
we
feel
that
it's
something
that
we
would
if
there's
were
approved
by
council.
Ultimately,
we
could
come
back
to
city
council,
possibly
one
year
later
or
two
years
later,
and
we
we
generally
try
to
evaluate
how
these
new
zoning
proposals
are
working
and
make
any
adjustments.
You
know
as
needed.
That's
that's
fast
recommendation.
C
You
know
right
now,
but
but
certainly
the
that
that
threshold
of
how
many
rooms
triggers
council
review
certainly
open
to
discussion
or
any
any
feedback
you
all
have
on
that.
I
think,
ultimately,
if
we
lower
that
number
you
it's
possible,
you
could
see
some
smaller
hotels,
but
we
also
feel
like
there's
kind
of
a
sweet
spot
somewhere
between
100
and
115
rooms,
where
once
you
get
any
lower
than
that,
it's
likely
that
most,
if
not
all,
hotel
applications
would
come
before
council.
C
C
Going
back
to
the
hotel
overlay
map,
if
we,
if
you'd
like
to,
we,
could
pull
up
the
map.
If
not,
I
could
just
walk
through
some
of
the
changes
that
we've
made
from
the
council
work
sessions
in
october,
and
these
were
outlined
in
the
staff
report
as
well.
C
We
we
did
reduce
the
area
where
large
hotels
could
be
permitted.
We
removed
the
asheville
mall
area
from
the
hotel
overlay
district
until
new
zoning
amendments
are
adopted
for
the
urban
place
or
urban
centers
rezoning
proposal,
we've
removed
the
river
ridge
shopping
center
area.
C
We
did
expand
one
small
area
in
south
slope
for
small
hotels
and
that's
on
the
west
side
of
cox
avenue
in
the
southern
end
of
the
south
slope
and
council
member
turner.
I
see
a
hand
raised.
C
C
D
Just
as
a
general
comment,
I
am
amazed
and
greatly
appreciate
how
much
progress
you
have
made
on
this
map
as
someone
that
started
looking
at
it.
Maybe
a
year
ago,
when
the
first
maps
came
out,
this
is
a
significant
reduction
in
overall
area
for
these
hotels
and
I've
been
able
to
go
out
and
drive
around
look
at
these
spots
and
weigh
it.
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
the
extensive
updates
to
this
map.
B
Todd-
and
I
echo
what
sage
said
I
mean
you
you've
been-
I
mean
this
has
been
a
lot
of
work
and
a
lot
of
great
input
relative
to
when
we
say
the
hotel
overlay
district
represents
less
than
eight
percent
of
total
acreage
of
that
eight
percent.
B
B
How
much
acreage
right
now
is
used
by
hotels
that
are
outside
the
hotel
overlay
district,
and
I
guess
I
have
a
third
question
now
that
I
think
about
it
is
like
and
if
there's
a,
if
there's
a
hotel
right
now,
that's
outside
the
hotel,
overlay
district
and
say,
for
example,
it
burnt
down
and
they
wanted
to
build
a
new
hotel
or
it's
or
you
know
something
happened
and
they
wanted
a
new
hotel.
Would
they
would
someone
be
allowed
to
build
a
new
hotel
in
a
replacement
situation.
C
Okay,
so
let
me
I'll
back
up
and
starting
with
the
first
question
about
about
the
eight
percent
and
what
that
entails.
It.
If
you
recall,
if
we
go
back,
maybe
I'll
go
back
five
years
hotels
used
to
be
permitted
in
all
of
our
basically
within
all
of
our
commercial
districts.
C
I
want
to
say
it
was
in
2018
when
possibly
when
council
made
changes
to
as
any
zoning
map
changes
to
for
our
hotels,
where
hotels
were
then
restricted
to
just
being
allowed
in
our
resort
district,
our
resort
zoning
district,
which
only
includes
a
very
limited
number
of
parcels
in
the
city
such
as
the
crowne,
plaza
hotel
property
and
the
grove
park,
inn
my
understanding.
You
know
when
that
change
was
made.
It
was.
C
It
was
a
reaction
to
what's
happening
over
the
last
10
years,
with,
with
all
the
hotel
development
we've
been
experiencing
as
a
city,
and
then
obviously
that
was
followed
up
and
preceded
by
our
hotel
development
moratorium.
C
So
the
under
the
new
proposal,
we
are
recommending
that
we
increase
where
hotels
are
permitted
compared
to
how
they
are
today,
because
they're
only
allowed
in
the
resort
district.
But
but
again
I
would.
I
would
really
preface
that
by
saying
we're
add
some
more
context
to
that
that,
when
that
change
was
made
to
reduce
hotels
to
only
the
resort
district,
in
my
view,
that
was
not
a
permanent
fix
that
was
kind
of
a
band-aid
and
reaction
to
what's
happening.
B
I
mean
and
to
follow
up
on
that
frankly,
council
didn't
really
stop
the
development
of
hotels.
We
just
kept
approving
hotels.
It
was
just
everything
had
to
go
through
conditional
zoning.
It
wasn't
there
weren't
guard
rails
around
it,
so.
C
That
that's
correct
yeah,
even
on
a
zoning
map,
it
it
again
going
back
to
that
first
slide
is
no
matter
what
we
can't
just
ban
hotels
outright,
that
there's
still
a
process,
no
matter
what!
Even
if
this
doesn't
change.
We
have
the
same
development
review
process
that
that,
through
conditional
zoning,
that's
always
an
option
for
for
any
property
owner
in
the
city
to
ask
for
that
option
and
council
member
turner.
C
D
Just
answer
my
questions
yeah
and
I'm
going
to
echo
gwen's
questions
and
add
another
layer
of.
I
would
love
to
see
that
data,
and
I
guess
what
I
heard
her
say
was:
how
much
do
hotels,
whether
they're
in
the
districts
that
we're
proposing
or
not
currently
occupy
and
then
are
as
a
total
of
all
including
those
outside
these
approved
zones?
What
are
they,
and
I
would
personally
also
like
to
know
the
acreage
and
the
tax
productivity.
A
C
Thank
you
kathy,
and
the
last
question
I
believe
was
related
to
what
happens.
If
you
have
a,
I
guess
what
we
would
call
a
legal
non-conforming
use
or
building
that
that
is
hit
by
lightning
or
hurricane
happens.
Can
it
be
rebuilt?
C
C
This
is
something
that
we're
we've
been
looking
into
as
part
of
our
urban
centers
rezoning
and
we
we
do
have
some
draft
language
prepared.
That
would
that
would
where
staff
is
recommending
some
changes
to
that
language
to
to
allow
a
non-conforming
user
or
building
to
be
reconstructed
under
certain
circumstances.
C
D
I'm
sorry
that
I
didn't
fully
understand
that
jargon,
but
I
basically
just
want
to
know
if
a
red
roof
or
a
day's
in
whatever
hotel
on
some
road
somewhere
in
the
city
decides
they
would
like
to
rebuild
to
be
a
nicer,
newer,
hotel
but
they're
outside
the
zone.
I
would
like
to
know
a
future
date
if
they
would
be
loud.
I
didn't
understand.
C
So
that
that
that
would
trigger
that
would
trigger
in
that
situation
a
that
would
be
a
conditional
zoning
because
the
property
is
located
outside
of
the
hotel
overlay
district
map.
F
C
A
legal
non-conforming
use,
I'm
trying
not
to
use
this
word
it's,
I
think,
not
a
commonly
accepted
word
anymore,
but
grandfathered
would
be
kind
of
the
in
layman's
terms.
What
what
a
legal
non-conforming
use
or
building
would
be.
C
Any
other
questions
about
that.
We're
going
to
move
to
the
next
slide
and
again,
as
kathy
mentioned,
we'll
we'll
get
back
to
you
with
answers
to
your
other
questions.
C
So
here's
some
a
good
slide
now,
just
to
kind
of
take
a
step
back
and
and
discuss
some
of
the
other.
What
we
feel
are
sort
of
outstanding
considerations.
C
If
you
may
recall
at
the
council
work
sessions
in
october,
we
did
discuss
the
possibility
of
adding
a
separation
requirement
between
new
hotels
and
even
existing
hotels,
so
that,
if
a
new
hotel
is
is
developed
that
say
that
that
hotel
can't
be
located
within
x
number
of
feet
of
another
property
that
has
a
hotel
the
hotel
map
that
we
prepared.
If
you
go
to
take
a
look
at
that
online,
we
do
have
two
layers
like
gis
layers
on
that
hotel
map.
C
C
I
think
some
of
the
unintended
consequences
of
having
a
separation
requirement.
It
does
start
to
exclude
any
new
hotels
from
being
built
in
some
areas,
such
as
tunnel
road.
If
you,
if
you
included,
for
example,
a
200
foot
separation
between
properties
on
tunnel
road,
it
basically
excludes
any
of
those
properties
from
from
being
allowed
to
to
have
a
new
hotel
in
the
future.
C
But
the
main
thing
is
there
is
some
concern
from
staff
that,
by
having
a
separation
requirement,
developers
could
potentially
purchase
certain
properties
and
hold
on
to
them
to
prevent
a
hotelier
from
building
anything
on
there
and
the
unintended
consequence
there
is
that
that
property
then
wouldn't
be
built
for
anything.
C
Whether
that's
housing
or
any
other
use,
so
instead
what
staff
is
recommending
as
a
way
to
address
the
separation
requirement
is
that
we
have
the
ability
to
update
the
living
national,
comprehensive
plan
with
language
that
or
recommendation
or
a
strategy
that
could
say
something
like
clustering
of
hotels
is,
is
not
preferred
or
we're
not
were
not
recommended,
and
that
would
provide
an
additional
tool
for
city
council
if
a
hotel
came
before
you
as
a
conditional
zoning,
that
could
be
a
recommendation
from
the
comp
plan
that
could
be
used
as
a
as
a
way
to
help
inform
you
in
your
decision,
whether
or
not
to
approve
any
particular
hotel
application
that
comes
before
you.
C
So
we
again
we
we
think
that
we
can
address
the
separation
requirement
through
the
living
national
comprehensive
plan,
rather
than
having
an
actual
standard,
that's
codified
as
part
of
the
udo
and
again
this
is
just
it's
a
staff
recommendation.
We
realize.
There's
still,
you
know,
maybe
some
hesitancy
from
some
council
members
on
this
in
recent
discussions,
also
with
council
members
at
council
member
check-ins,
at
least
one
member
expressed
one
of
their
concerns
regarding
the
separation
requirement
or
the
reason
why
they
wanted.
C
It
is
because
there
was
a
concern
that
a
short-term
vacation
rental
hotel,
which
is
kind
of
a
newer
product
out
there,
where
you,
you
have
a
hotel,
that's
under
one
ownership,
but
that
the
model
acts
as
a
model
for
that
development
still
acts
like
it's
a
short-term
vacation
rental,
where,
where
individual
guest
rooms
are
advertised
on
on
various
platforms
such
as
airbnb,
there
was
a
concern
that
that
product
that
we
might
get
a
lot
of
small,
short-term
vacation
rental
hotels,
which
our
udo
defines
that
as
a
hotel,
extended
stay,
and
then
we
would
get
more
horizontal
development
of
hotels
and
get
kind
of
one
after
another
kind
of
when
staff
looked
more
into
this.
C
C
A
hotel
extended
stay,
only
pertains
to
these
short-term
vacation
rental
type,
hotel
products
or
an
extended
state
type
hotel
where
you
have
a
kitchen,
and
you
have
some
additional
amenities
in
that
unit,
but
that
only
applies
to
21
or
more
guest
rooms.
C
C
We
would
recommend
that
that
short-term
vacation
rental
hotel
model
only
be
permitted
in
areas
on
the
in
the
hotel,
overlaid
district
that
allow
large
hotels
and
that
any
smaller
type,
short-term
vacation
rental
hotel
unit,
which
again,
we
define
as
a
hotel,
extended
stay
currently
that
those
would
only
be
allowed
in
our
resort
zoning
district.
C
What
that
means
is
we
may
not
have
a
definition
today
for
a
smaller
stvr
hotel
type
of
product
and
we
we
would
not
recommend
adding
that
as
a
permitted
use
anywhere
outside
of
the
resort
district.
C
C
So
where
we
are,
what
we
are
proposing
is
that,
for
this
particular
land
use
type,
which
I
think
in
layman's
terms,
someone
might
call
it
a
short-term
vacation
rental
hotel,
which
is
kind
of
a
mashup
of
a
short-term
vacation
rental
and
a
hotel
that
we
would
only
allow
that
use
at
21
or
more
rooms
in
areas
identified
on
the
hotel
overlay
map
as
a
large
that
allow
a
large
hotel
in
those
same
areas
that
allow
a
large
hotel
and
that,
for
a
smaller
type
of
of
that
same
use
would
only
be
permitted
in
our
resort
district.
C
D
Requirement
todd:
how
does
this
roll
over
into?
I
believe
we
had
an
applicant
that
maybe
withdrew
proposed
a
condo
project
with
approximately
20
room
condos
that
was
ultimately
really
just
a
hotel.
They
had
a
management
office
designed
into
the
building
to
manage
the
condos.
Where
is
that
in
this
legal
discussion
of
what
that
is.
C
Again,
I'm
trying
to
go
back
and
think
about
all
the
parameters
of
that
it's
possible.
We
would
have
defined
that
as
this
hotel
extended
stay,
which
is
21
or
more
rooms
single
under
single
management,
but
the
each
room
has
a
has
a
kitchen
and
almost
act.
It
almost
acts
like
a
dwelling
unit
or
or
an
extended
stay
hotel
that
that
has
these
additional
amenities
within
each
unit.
C
D
C
That
that's
correct.
We
we
my
shannon's
on
the
line
too,
but
my
understanding
is
that
we
only
allow
those
smaller,
short-term
vacation,
rentals
or
even
just
one
short-term
vacation
rental.
We
only
allow
that
in
the
resort
district
today
and
nowhere
else.
B
Okay,
so
can
I
restate-
and
just
so
that
I
see,
if
I
understand
basically
if
it
is
a
if
it
is
a
room
that
has
a
kitchen
and
other
amenities
like
that
anything
smaller
than
21
number
number
of
rooms
owned
by
one
by
one
owner
is
only
allowed
in
the
resort
area.
Anything
with
21
or
more
rooms
will
only
be
allowed
in
the
large
hotel
overlay
district.
D
Particularly
how
it
ties
to
some
of
the
recent
initiatives
around
the
shoreline
tools,
the
kitchen
home
stays
et
cetera,
because
some
of
that
language
included
that,
as
everyone
could
have
one,
a
legal
entity
could
have
one
an
llc
could
have
one.
So
in
that
case,
this
condo
idea
of
20
rooms
that
have
kitchens
and
maybe
don't
doesn't
have
the
management
office,
but
had
that
homestay
ordinance
continue
to
move
forward.
It
doesn't
continue
to
move
forward.
D
G
So
we
run
a
much
lower
risk
of
having
like
an
existing
condominium,
building
converted
into
a
some
sort
of
short-term
vacation
rental
hotel
and
we're
working
on
a
second
definition
for
something
that
something
less
than
a
fewer
number
of
units
than
a
extended
stay
hotel,
I'm
playing
along
around
with
terms
right
now,
short-term
vacation
apartment.
G
B
Said
todd,
do
you
would
you
like
council
members
to
weigh
in
about
the
separation
requirement
and
and
this
and
this
other
issue,
or
are
we
just
nodding
and
gonna
whether
we
decide
going
forward
to
recommend
this
to
council.
C
I
I'll
leave
that
up
to
you
all.
If
there's
any
additional
feedback,
you
want
to
provide
to
staff
to
help
help
us,
as
we
kind
of
move,
move
this
proposal
through
our
our
process.
Here
we
definitely
would
welcome
that
if
you
have
any
thoughts
at
this
time,.
A
So,
chair
whistler,
we
are
not
looking
for
a
recommendation
today.
This
is
just
for
discussion
purposes
and
for
feedback
from
you
all.
So
there
will
be
another
opportunity,
but
we
are
not
asking
you
to
make
a
recommendation
today,
so
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
get
feedback
from
from
what
we
proposed.
If
you
all
want
to
do
it
at
the
time
that
we,
the
todd,
covers
the
items
we
would
be
happy
to
take.
It.
B
Okay,
well,
I
mean,
from
my
personal
perspective,
I'm
the
the
logic
etc
on
the
separation
requirement
and
the
small
hotels
versus
the
you
know
this.
This
conversation
about
short-term
vacation,
rentals,
I'm
good
with
the
direction
staff
is
going
in
right
now,.
D
I
am
as
well-
and
I
understand
concern
from
the
other
council
member,
but
I
I
almost
appreciate
them
being
grouped
together
in
clusters
in
some
ways,
because
I
think
that
helps
you
know
at
some
point
we
will
have
hotel
rooms.
I
know
that
seems
far
away
right
now,
but
we
will
mark
when
no
other
hotels
want
to
build
here
and
this
kind
of
keeps
it
from
continuing
to
push
into
neighborhoods.
E
Well,
no
only
I
did
have
a
question
when
shannon
was
on
when
she
was
talking
about
individual
units,
it's
in
a
condo
building
as
far
as
home
states.
I
just
needed
some
clarification
on
that.
G
So
a
condominium
building
allows
for
each
unit
to
be
individually
owned,
so
the
only
so
that
doesn't
meet
the
definition
of
a
hotel
because
the
hotel
is
under
you
know
it's
all
the
units
or
all
of
the
rooms
are
under
one
management
group.
So
when
you
have
a
condominium
building,
you've
got
if
you've
got
20
condo
units.
You
got
20
owners,
so
each
unit
is
considered
if
they
want
it
to
be
short-term,
it's
considered
a
short-term
vacation
rental
and
those
would
not
be
allowed
in
the
downtown.
E
E
Except
for
a
resort,
and
that's
the
reason
I
was
questioning
that,
because
they
do
have
some
downtown
that
are
actually
have
conditional
permits
that
are
actually
doing
short-term
vacation
rentals.
So
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
sort
of
how
do
you
regulate
that
or,
and
the
reason
I'm
asking
is
just
that
I
do
know
a
building
right
downtown
that
they
do
have
some
of
the
ones
are,
do
have
permits
in
there
and
one
of
the
clients
just
asked
me.
He
said
sandra
the
neighbor
on
this
side
has
a
permit.
E
G
So
in
those
particular
instances,
I
think
those
are
probably
if
those
are
projects
that
are
have
come
on
line
relatively
recently.
Those
are
probably
projects
that
got
permitted
prior
to
the
restriction
on
short-term
vacation
rentals,
so
we
used
to
allow
them
downtown
and
a
number
of
projects
included
short-term
vacation
rentals
in
their
residential
projects,
so
anything
that
was
permitted
prior
to
the
rule.
G
Change
is
allowed
to
continue
so
and
and
at
that
time
we
had
a-
we
had
a
lot
of
them
during
a
short
period
of
time
when
we
allowed
where
anything,
21
or
more
rooms
became
a
cz,
but
anything
less
was
allowed.
So
that's
why
you
see
these
projects
that
not
all
of
the
units
are
short-term
vacation
rentals,
only
like
20
of
them
or
10
of
them,
or
you
know
it
was
different
with
different
projects,
so
we
do
those
they
are
required
to
get
an
annual
permit.
We
monitor
them
through
that
annual
permit
process.
E
So
basically,
you're
not
doing
taking
on
any
new
ones,
it's
just
the
ones
that
are
presently
there.
Okay,
that's
right.
C
Thank
you
for
ready
to
move
along,
we'll
now
focus
and
discuss
the
the
public
benefits
table
and
some
of
the
changes
that
have
been
made
to
that
table
next
slide.
C
Please
just
a
quick
recap:
staff
has
been
working
with
the
community
over
the
last
several
months
on
developing
a
table
or
a
matrix
or
a
rubric
of
various
public
benefits
with
depending
upon
the
level
of
benefit
and
how
impactful
it
is
to
the
community
has
a
certain
number
of
points
assigned
to
it,
and
essentially,
what
we're
recommending
is
that
for
hotels
depending
upon
the
size
of
the
hotel
and
where
that
hotel
is
located,
whether
it's
located
in
what
we're
calling
an
urban
area
which
includes
the
downtown
or
central
business
district
river
arch
district
in
biltmore
village,
that
hotel
projects
located
in
those
areas
would
be
required
to
meet
a
higher
point.
C
Hotels
located
in
what
we're
calling
suburban
areas,
which
is
every
other
area
of
the
city,
would
be
required
to
meet
still
a
high
level
of
points,
but
but
less
than
hotels
that
would
be
located
in
those
urban
areas
such
as
downtown
and
we've
made
up
a
lot
of
adjustments
to
our
public
benefits
table
based
on
feedback
that
we've
received
from
council
members
in
the
community.
C
The
contribution
amounts
that
an
applicant
would
have
to
provide
if
they
chose
one
of
our
affordable
housing
options
where
we
we
have
different
options
for
contributing
money
to
the
city's,
affordable
housing
trust
fund.
C
So,
for
example,
a
100
room
hotel
if
a
applicant
shows
that
option
would
have
to
provide
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
the
housing
trust
fund.
So
we
we've
increased
all
those
contributions
to
the
housing,
trust
fund
and
we've
adjusted
some
of
the
points
that
would
be
allocated
for
some
of
the
green
building.
Leed
certification.
C
There's
a
lot
of
discussion
at
the
council
work
session
about
the
fact
that
there
are
hotels
that
are
already
including
some
green
building
elements
into
their
design.
So
we
want
to
acknowledge
that
and
make
sure
that
we
are
also
prioritizing
other
council
priorities
such
as
affordable
housing
in
the
table.
C
C
C
In
terms
of
the
point
system,
before
I
move
on
to
the
next
slide,
I
I
will
get
to
some
of
the
recommendations
from
council.
But
if
you
have
any
questions.
B
Quick
question-
and
I
think
this
goes
to
one
of
the
things
that
councilwoman
turner
asked
before
the
most
of
these
most
of
these
criteria.
You
know
that
it
kind
of
is
determined
when
the
hotel
is
built,
but
like
living
wages.
How
do
you
monitor
that
after
the
hotel
is
built
and
what's
the?
What
is
the
ramification
if
a
hotel
ceased
to
comply
with
something
like
that
that
it's
sort
of
an
ongoing
promise,
not
necessarily
something
that
you.
F
B
Something
that
either
is
or
is
not
there
before
a
certificate
of
occupancy.
I
I
don't.
I
really
only
see
the
transportation
benefit
and
the
living
wages
as
as
a
as
as
a
a
public
benefit
that
probably
is
more
ongoing,
but
how?
How
would
that
be
addressed,
I'm
not
being
very
articulate.
I
apologize.
C
No,
I
I
understand
completely
yeah.
I
think
it
depends,
as
you
mentioned,
for
some
of
these
public
benefits
we
do
have.
We
have
definitions
for
some
of
these,
that
that
might
provide
some
more
more
guidance.
C
Some
of
these
we
might
require
like
a
letter
of
certification
or
something
like
that,
but
it's
I
think
it's
similar
to
when
we
go
through
a
conditional
zoning
process
and
we
have
conditions
for
a
project
that
something
like
living
wages.
Obviously,
as
you
mentioned
great
example
of
something
that
continues
beyond
the
entitlement
phase
of
the
project,
it
basically
continues
well
well
into
the
future
as
a
as
a
business
is
up
and
running.
C
If,
if
we
found
that
something
like
that
was
not
being
met,
we
do
have
through
the
zoning
enforcement
we
we
would
have.
The
opportunity
to
you
know,
issue
a
notice
of
violation
and
then
go
through
our
kind
of
our
code
enforcement
process
that
that's
the
main
tool
that
that
I
can
think
of
brad.
If
you
have
any
other
input
on
this,
please
feel
free
to.
F
Thank
you
for
the
introduction
of
madam
chair,
and
I
would
echo
what
our
planning
director
has
said
in
that.
Given
the
circumstances
in
this
proposal,
what
you
are
essentially
doing
is
creating
these
conditions
that
have
the
same
force
and
effect,
but
they
are
implemented
through
a
system
of
instead
of
our
normal
conditions,
part
b1
conditions
as
part
of
the
zoning.
F
This
is
an
incentive
process,
so
they
are
incentives,
but
they
are
part
of
a
mutually
arrived
upon
agreement
whereby
they
become
inherent
in
the
zoning
itself
and
therefore
we
would
obviously
look
to
members
of
the
public
members
within
that
own
business
employees
to
help
us
with
notification
on
these
things,
specifically
regarding
living
wages.
But
I
think
we
would
enforce
it
through
the
standard
zoning
process,
which
is
a
well-established
and
effective
tool.
D
Say,
thank
you.
I
just
have
a
it's,
not
an
exhaustive
list.
Five
or
six
questions
about
this
rubric.
First
off
I've
noticed
two
things
have
disappeared
from
the
rubric
that
were
on
there
in
earlier
months,
one
of
which
was
the
requirement
to
have
a
shuttle,
and
I'm
not
sure
if
this
next
one
ever
got
onto
the
rubric
list,
but
it
has
been
something:
I've
been
vocal
about
the
entire
18
months,
and
that
is
the
ground
floor
activation.
D
I
don't
know
unless
I'm
missing
something,
I'm
also
looking
at
a
rubric
that
was
that
has
a
different
urban
and
non-urban
scoring
point
system
which
I'm
not
familiar
with
and
hadn't
seen
before.
So
I
would
love
to
know
if
we're
still
looking
at
the
shuttle,
if
we're
still
talking
about
the
ground
floor
activation
and
if
not,
why
not?
I'm
also
curious?
I
know
another
counselor
had
shared
that
they
were
very
interested
in
having
reparations
fund
listed
as
an
option.
D
I'd
like
to
echo
and
support
them
in
that,
and
then
I
would
like
to
understand
why
we
chose
just
for
sale.
Housing
I
saw
paul
is
on
here,
so
maybe
he'll
be
able
to
speak
to
that
versus
a
for
rent
option.
And,
lastly,
I
think
we
will
probably
need
a
definition
of
inclusive
hiring
if
we're
going
to
say
it,
because
I'm
not
sure
what
that
means
to
us.
C
Great
no,
no
problem
if
we
can
actually
kathy
moves
to
maybe
to
the
next.
Actually,
I'm
sorry.
C
I
have
a
slide
where
I
outline
some
of
this,
but
but
all
of
a
lot
of
these
things,
but
we
could
discuss
it
now,
maybe
since
we're
on
on
that
other
slide,
that
the
the
to
clarify
that
urban
versus
suburban
area
is
something
we've
had
in
the
table
since
early
on
in
in
this,
where
we
were
always
kind
of
recommending
that
for
hotels,
especially
in
the
downtown
versus
other
areas,
that
we
we
might
want
to
hold
those
hotels
to
a
higher
standard
due
to
land
costs
and
other
potential
impacts
on
on
those
areas
that
that
might
require
a
greater
level
of
public
benefits
to
offset
any
any
potential
impacts
of
the
project.
C
The
I
know
stacy
merton's,
on
the
line
I'm
trying
to
think
through.
Maybe
some
of
the
history
of
a
public
benefit
stable
and
looking
at
the
shuttle
or
ground
floor
activation.
That
might
be
something
stacy.
If
you're
able
to
assist
on.
A
The
short
answer
this
is
kathy
ball
is
that
the
shuttle
and
the
ground
floor
are
included
in
the
development
requirements,
so
it
is
required
as
part
of
the
review
there.
So
therefore
there
would
be
no
points
associated
with
doing
it,
because
you
have
to
do
it
in
order
to
get
the
approval
of
the
hotel.
Is
that
correct?
That
is
correct?.
H
G
It
says
I'll
read
it
for
you.
It
says
for
buildings,
with
a
greater
than
50
buildings
that
are
greater
than
50
feet
wide
and
when
located
in
the
central
business
district
and
river
arts
form
code
areas,
a
minimum
of
50
percent
of
the
street-facing
facade
shall
be
set
aside
as
separate
occupiable
storefronts
and
must
have
their
own
public
entrance
from
the
street.
Where
multiple
facades
face
a
public
street,
the
50
minimum
may
be
aggregated.
H
D
G
The
50
feet
was
because
we
do
sometimes
see
we've
had
a
number
of
inquiries
about
projects
where
they
really
almost
just
have
like
an
a
small
entrance
like
a
very
small
storefront,
and
then
you
kind
of
enter
and
go
down
almost
like
a
narrow
lobby
and
then
up
into
the
hotel.
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
if
it
was
a
viable
storefront
space
that
that
was
included.
D
You
know
it
reminds
me,
I
know
the
72
create
project,
withdrew
or
something,
but
they
had
moved
their
lobby
to
the
top
floor
so
that
the
ground
floor
could
be
as
active
for
the
community
as
possible,
and
not
just
sharing
that
in
case.
That's
something
we
want
to
look
into
as
far
as
point
worthiness.
H
And
todd
as
far
as
the
reparations
go,
were
you
going
to
talk
about
that?
Because
we
we
have
discussed,
adding
that
now
as
well.
C
Yes,
thank
you,
so
the
yeah.
This
is
a
very
important
option.
Obviously
a
priority
for
for
council
in
the
community.
You
know.
Initially,
we
did
not
include
the
reparations
fund
option
in
our
initial
table
because
we
didn't
have
a
reparations
policy
yet
established
with
the
city.
But
after
you
know
discussing
this
more
among
staff
and
with
with
council
members,
we've
added
or
we
are
looking
at
adding
reparation
fund
options
to
the
table
again
recognizing.
C
This
is
a
priority
for
the
community,
but
I
would
just
kind
of
add
add
some
more
caveat
to
that
is
that
until
we
have
a
policy
as
a
city,
if
this
is
approved
and
an
applicant
chooses
to
contribute
money
to
the
reparations
fund,
it
will
sit
in
that
fund
until
we're.
C
You
know,
we've
established
a
policy
of
how
to
distribute
those
funds
in
the
future,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everyone's
very
clear
about
that,
but
the
reparations
fund,
what
we're
looking
at
for
options
is
similar
monetary
contributions
to
the
higher
level,
affordable
housing
options.
C
Similar
to
to
the
affordable
housing,
the
higher
level,
affordable,
housing
options
again
at
six
thousand
dollars
per
room
that
would
yield
something
like
180
points,
which
is
all
or
most
of
the
points
you
need
to
meet.
The
public
benefits
point
threshold,
but
at
a
100
room
hotel
at
six
thousand
dollars
per
room.
That
would
be
a
six
hundred
thousand
dollar
contribution.
C
So
we
think
that's
a
pretty
sizable
public
benefit
that
could
go
to
that
reparations
fund.
The
way
we
would
define
that
fund
or
in
reparations.
We
would
tie
it
back
to
the
reparations
resolution
that
was
passed
by
city
council
last
year.
C
And
the
there
were
some
questions
too
from
council
member
turner
about
adding
some
additional,
affordable
housing
options
to
the
table.
Some
of
those
options
included
building
affordable
rental
housing.
C
Since
the
the
last
council
work
session,
we
we
had
added
two
options
pertaining
to
building
affordable
for
sale,
housing
as
part
of
the
development
of
hotel
development,
and
that
was
that
eighty
percent
area
meeting
income
or
or
equivalent
for
a
for
sale
unit,
the
you
know,
staff
was
proposing
to
address
the
rental,
affordable
housing.
We
were
trying
to
really
focus
on
the
city's
housing
trust
fund
as
a
way
of
of
addressing
subsidized,
affordable
rental
housing
that
we
have
several
options.
C
I
believe
five
options
for
a
monetary
contribution
to
our
housing
trust
fund,
which
helps
to
support
rental,
affordable
housing
at
various
affordability
levels
we
have
in
the
last
five
years.
Actually,
I
think
of
a
higher
level
or
higher
majority
of
housing.
Trust
fund
dollars
that
have
gone
to
projects
at
sixty
percent
ami
were
lower.
We've
had
some
at
eighty
percent
ami
and
some
at
thirty
percent
area.
Median
income.
C
As
the
option
in
our
table
to
address
affordable
rental
housing-
and
that
would
be
a
way
for
us
to
for
our
community
economic
development
department
to
continue
to
manage
those
funds
and
bring
those
those
projects
to
council,
you
know
as
needed
when
those
those
funds
are
distributed
through
the
housing
trust
fund
and
then
also
that
you
know
the
housing
trust
fund,
we
feel
does
meet
certain
affordability
levels
and
it,
and
by
having
an
option
to
contribute
to
that
fund,
would
help
to
sustain
that
program
in
the
city
that
housing
trust
fund
program
does
have
a
finite
number
of
of
dollars
in
it
to
help
support
it,
and
this
would
be
one
way
of
sustaining
that
program.
C
You
know,
I
think,
building
affordable
housing
in
in
into
a
hotel
project
also
has
some
land
use
concerns
that
some
of
the
amenities
of,
if
you
think
of
like
a
luxury
hotel
with
affordable,
develop
housing
mixed
into
it.
C
Some
of
those
amenities
may
not
be
things
that
someone
living
in
in
a
affordable
unit
are
looking
for.
You
know
they're
not
looking
for
room
service
and
other
things
that
you
might
find
in
a
luxury,
condo
and
and
hotel
mix
like
in
the
aeris
building.
For
example,
has
these
you
know
for
sale,
condo
units
with
with
hotels
mixed
into
that
project?
C
D
I
mean
I
get,
you
know
having
been
really
involved
in
the
affordable
housing.
I
understand
and
know
the
htf
very
well.
I
guess
my
concern
is
two
parts
that
we
had
a
model
apply
and
later
withdraw
that
included,
affordable
rental
housing.
I
actually
think
it
is
a
great
idea
for
cities
to
have
these
developers
build
it
into
the
model
right
then,
and
there.
D
So
I
just
think
it's
it's
probably
not
a
great
initiative.
That's
just
my
personal
opinion.
My
other
concern
is
have
we
talked
to
any
lenders
about
this,
so
when
we
get
into
condo
agreement,
so
we're
talking
about
splitting
a
building
and
paul
is
on
the
line.
I
think
he
could
probably
speak
to
this
at
360
hillyard,
we'll
get
into
condo
agreements
and
sandra
pine
is
we
we
have,
they
have
to
start
pre-selling.
D
So
if
I'm
a
hotelier
and
I've
got
to
include,
I've
got
to
conduize
my
building,
my
financing
just
got
really
complicated,
and
I
mean
I'm
not
actually
familiar
with
what
would
happen
in
a
condo
project.
You
have
to
pre-sell
now
50
of
the
units,
so
I
don't
know
what
that
means
for
a
hotel,
but
we
may
be
inadvertently
creating
a
much
harder
financing
option
by
requiring
it
to
only
be
for
sale.
D
E
Well,
the
thing
is,
I
guess,
that's
the
reason
why
it's
probably
better
to
leave
things
the
way
todd
have
them.
You
know
the
way
they're
set
up
as
far
as
a
housing
trust
fund,
rather
than
creating
all
these
separate
categories
which
could
actually
make
it
more
difficult.
You
know
for
the
projects
indirectly,
so
I
think
that's
a
safer
way
to
do
it,
and
that
way
you
can
actually
control
what
where
the
money
is
spent
through
the
trust,
housing
trust
rather
than
trying
to
make
separate
categories.
B
So
todd-
maybe
you
know
relative
to
sage's
follow-up
questions
about
development
and
financing.
You
can,
you
know,
spend
a
little
time
on
that
maybe
get
back
together
with
us.
D
And
I
only
had
one
more
thing
about
the
rubric
before
I'll
be
quiet.
I
know
we
have
so.
We've
got
this
living
wages
on
there
and
we've
now
got
this
ground
floor
activation,
I'm
thrilled
to
know
we
have,
but
is
there
any
interest
in
doing
something
where
it's
either
positive
points
for
renting
to
a
locally
owned
business
or
negative
points?
If
you
do
not
rent
to
a
locally
owned
business,
I
know
it's
a
really
gray
area
in
the
state.
I'm
just
curious.
If
that's
an
option,
you.
B
Mean
say:
councilwoman
turner,
you
mean
relative
to
the
re,
the
retail.
D
Right
right
end
with
some
ground
floor
space
because
their
building's
more
than
50
or
50
feet.
Wide
then
can
we
do
anything
to
encourage
those
ground
level
stores
to
be
local
and
say
not
starbucks,
and
I
know
we
can't
define
user
just
use,
but
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
somewhere
in
this
gray
area,
like
we've
done
with
living
wages,
that
we
could
incentivize
or
decentralize
chains,
either
way.
C
F
This
thank
you
todd.
This
is
potentially
a
complicated
issue
and
I
think
it
may
require
a
little
more
exploration
and
thought
so
that
we
can
really
respond
specifically
to
that
concern,
but
there's
multiple
factors
that
I
think
we
would
need
to
give
some
consideration
before.
We
could
really
provide
a
meaningful
answer
on
that.
D
It
would
be
helpful
for
the
community's
sake
if
we
had
some
examples
of
how
previously
approved
hotels
would
have
fared
through
this
process.
I
did
the
math
on
the
flatiron
and
the
displacement
alone
made
it
practically
impossible
for
them
to
have
succeeded
in
that
application
without
conditional
zoning.
C
C
What
I
want
to
do
is
just
briefly.
I
have
four
slides:
let's
quickly
go
through
just
to
kind
of
show
and
demonstrate
how
the
updated
public
benefits
table.
The
way
it
is
today
would
have
applied
to
some
real-life
projects,
and
we
did
this
at
the
council
work
session,
but
we've
updated
these
scenarios
with
the
current
public
benefits
table.
This
is
an
example:
the
create
broadway
project.
C
If
you
look
at
the
project
in
its
entirety,
some
of
the
benefits
they
were
recommended
included
nine
affordable
units
which
was
below
the
minimum
required
to
receive
points
for
that
it
included
public
art,
but
it
also
included
demolition
of
two
structures
and
displacement
of
six
businesses,
as
you
can
see
with
the
displacement
of
the
businesses
it's
per
business,
and
that
that
really,
it
yields
a
pretty
significant
negative
points.
C
C
The
next
project
is
the
eris
project.
This
is
a
large
hotel
located
in
the
central
business
district.
180
points
would
be
required.
The
project
included
a
number
of
public
benefits.
If
you
recall
it
was
called
the
mckibben
standard
at
the
time
under
our
old
table,
this
project
would
have
been
approved.
C
With
adjustments
we've
made
to
the
table.
This
project
would
have
fell
just
short
at
170
points
and
would
have
triggered
city
council
review
unless
the
applicant
provided
additional
public
benefits
next
slide,
please.
This
is
the
true
by
hilton.
So
this
is
in
one
of
what
we
call
our
suburban
areas
where
120
points
would
be
required.
C
In
this
case,
the
one
public
benefit
that
was
being
offered
was
transit
passes
for
employees.
This
project
would
not
have
met
our
our
threshold
for
points
and
would
have
triggered
city
council
review.
And,
finally,
the
last
project
is
the
residence
inn,
formerly
known
as
the
extended
stay
on
biltmore
avenue.
C
C
So
these
were
the
discussion
points
that
that
we've
already
covered
with
the
reparations
fund
and
the
affordable
housing
options.
So
I
think
we
can
move
to
the
next
slide.
Please.
C
The
existing
process
is
shown
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
screen
and
the
proposed
process
is
shown
on
the
right
hand,
side
under
the
current
process.
Development
review.
Excuse
me,
design,
review
of
projects
for
larger
projects
that
occurs
in
the
central
business
district
and
in
the
riverfront
areas
are
reviewed
by
the
design
review
functions
of
the
downtown
riverfront
commissions
under
the
proposed
process.
Again,
we
would
consolidate
those
design
review
functions
into
the
new
design
review
board,
with
an
additional
responsibility
that
that
board
would
review
all
hotels
city-wide.
C
So
this
basically
would
include
hotels
that
are
located
outside
of
the
central
business
district
and
outside
the
riverfront
areas
that
that
new
design
review
board
would
also
review
all
hotels,
small
and
large.
In
all
those
areas
of
the
city.
We
have
drafted
design
guidelines
for
hotels
as
kind
of
a
start
for
some
of
the
criteria
that
we
would
use,
and
I
see
chair
chairperson
whistler,
you
have
a
question.
E
B
B
C
B
And-
and
this
isn't
that
this
isn't
the
adding
you
know
creating
a
new
board
commission
is
not
really
the
direction
we
want
to
be
going
in.
We
already
have,
I
believe,
34
one
yeah.
We
are
not.
This
is
so
what
we're
I
just.
B
E
D
It
tyler
so
as
a
downtown
commission.
Previous
member
I'll,
I
can
show
what
I
what
I
know
so
downtown
commission
reviews
projects
after
their
design
review
board
sees
them.
We
get
their
expertise,
we
weigh
in
additionally,
it
keeps
going
same
with
the
riverfront.
So
my
understanding
is
this
is
a
proposal
to
remove
design
review
from
the
riverfront
commission
and
from
the
downtown
commission
and
send
them
on
their
way
doing
all
the
other
things
they
do,
but
no
longer
any
design
review.
D
D
My
suggestion
as
a
solution
is
to
create
the
one
design
review
board,
but
then
to
still
send
the
projects
to
the
respective
riverfront
or
downtown
commission,
and
I
want
to
point
out
that
both
the
riverfront
commission
and
the
downtown
commission
were
were
inquired
about
this
process
and
both
voted
to
not
do
it.
And
when
we
looked
at
things
like
the
open
space
management
which
we
delayed
six
months,
because
two
city
boards
said
they
did
not
agree
and
they
wanted
it
to
be
different.
We
delayed
that
six
months
to
try.
D
C
Thank
you,
council,
member
turner.
That
was
a
great
explanation
too,
of
the
process
as
well.
I
I
would
just
say
with
I
I
know
we.
We
are
definitely
very
hesitant
to
even
recommend
a
new
board
and
understand
how
many
boards
and
commissions
we
have
in
the
city
and
then
need
to
evaluate
that.
But
we
felt
that
the
combat
combining
the
the
functions
of
these
two
subcommittees
into
one
body.
We
would
still
be
doing
the
same
amount
of
work,
but
we
feel
like
we
could
do
it
more
more
efficiently.
C
D
Todd-
and
I
know
a
lot
of
this
initiative-
probably
comes
from
the
downtown
commission,
which
has
a
way
of
critiquing
projects
outside
design
when
they're
not
supposed
to.
So
I
think
some
of
this
is
also
education
on
those
boards.
I've
lived
through
several
of
those
moments
and
had
to
chair
them,
and
it
was
bad
and
as
a
developer
I
would
be
upset
too,
but
you
know,
I
think,
there's
still
a
solution
there
that
doesn't
involve
retracting
those
powers
from
those
two
commissions.
C
You
know
what,
if
the
downtown
commission
continued
to
review
projects
in
downtown
and
the
riverfront
continued
to
review
projects
in
the
riverfront,
the
you
know
the
benefit
of
why
we
were
suggesting
this
new
format
was
really
to
address
hotels
outside
outside
of
those
areas
that
we,
we
don't
have
a
board
that
can
today
that
could
review
those
one.
C
One
thing
we
considered,
and
we
were
trying
to
evaluate,
is
whether
an
existing
board,
like
the
planning
and
zoning
commission,
could
review
design
review
in
areas
outside
the
downtown
and
central
and
riverfront
areas.
I
think
we're
something
we're
still
evaluating
to
see
if
general
statutes
for
the
state
allow
us
to
do
that.
We're
looking
into
that
currently
to
see
if
that's
a
feasible
option
or
not
legally.
B
I
mean
well
I
just
I'm
not.
I
can't
support
you
know
that,
basically,
if
it's
a
downtown
hotel,
they'd
have
to
go
through
two
design
reviews.
You
know,
I
think
that's
inconsistent
with
our
goals
here,
which
is
trying
to
make
this
a
little
more
streamlined.
B
So
you
know
I
I
don't
think
that's
fair
to
a
developer
to
have
them
go
through
two
completely.
You
know
two
different
design
reviews.
So
that's
just
my
input.
D
I
understand
gwen,
and
I
would
say
you
know,
haven't
been
on
the
downtown
commission
for
so
many
years,
there's
an
expertise
and
awareness
in
downtown
that
is
different
than
the
riverfront
that
is
different
than
haywood
road
and
so
on.
So
whether
or
not
they
do
a
dual
design
review,
it's
at
least
bringing
the
project
through
those
commissions
for
their
input
on
impacts
to
the
neighborhood
and
all
the
other
things
I
think
does
matter,
but
I'll
stop.
Now,
thanks
for.
C
Great
thanks
again
for
the
feedback
on
that.
So
just
to
to
conclude
that
this
is
our
tentative
project.
Schedule
is
that
staff
is
proposing
that
we
hold
a
public
hearing
at
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
at
their
first
meeting
on
february
3rd
and
then
two
days
later,
to
to
kind
of
stay
on
schedule.
If
this
is
to
be
at
least
reviewed
by
city
council
before
the
end
of
the
moratorium
expires,
that
we
would
hold
a
vote
by
playing
a
zoning
commission,
possibly
on
friday
february
5th.
A
F
A
C
That's
it
yeah
unless
there's
anything
further.
I
appreciate
all
the
feedback
and
we
have
a
few
things
to
look
into.
D
B
Kilbour,
are
you?
Are
you
okay?
Well,
okay,
okay,
all
right,
so
we
will
now
take
public
comment.
Just
so
we
know
we
did
not
get
any
public
comment
prior
to
this
meeting
and
so
we'll
take
public
comment.
Now
callers
will
have
three
minutes
to
comment
staff.
Do
we
have
any
live
calls
from
public
comments
on
this
item.
B
So
that
will
conclude
public
comment
on
this
particular
item
and
now
we'll
move
to
a
general
public
comment
staff.
Do
we
have
any
one
in
the
speaker
queue
for
general
public
comment
at
for
ped.