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C
All
right
good
morning,
everyone
and
welcome
to
march's
housing
and
community
development
meeting,
I'm
sage
turner
and
I'm
your
chair,
all
council
members
and
staff
are
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smith,
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morning,
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antoinette
mosley
hi
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morning,
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city
manager,
kathy.
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C
Second,
thank
you
both
all
right.
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will
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mayor
smith,
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mosley,
aye
and
sage
turner,
myself,
hi
great,
thank
you.
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minutes
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C
F
Sure
so,
good
morning,
everybody
paul
d'angelo
here
with
community
and
economic
development.
We've
got
the
community
development
updates
for
you
this
morning.
We
have
now
promised
not
being
overachievers,
but
we
have
separated
this
out
into
three
updates,
hopefully
for
better
communication
and
messaging,
not
only
to
you
all
but
to
the
community.
We
have
our
regular
community
updates
about
things
that
are
going
on
within
the
department.
We
also
have
an
update
regarding
the
cdbg
cv
dollars.
F
Those
are
the
covet
dollars
that
have
come
our
way
to
assist
the
community
members,
particularly
with
rental
assistance,
we're
also
using
those
updates
kind
of
as
a
resource
guide
for
other
funding
coming
our
way
to
assist
with
things
like
rental
or
utility
assistance,
and
then,
lastly,
new
this
month
is
community
development
updates
on
homeless,
a
lot
of
community
conversation
around
the
homelessness
issue,
and
we
wanted
to
try
to
tell
that
story
a
little
bit
better
with
its
own
separate
updates
so
happy
to
answer
any
questions
on
any
of
those
or
the
members
of
the
team,
and
then
I
may
point
out
a
few
things
at
the
end.
D
I
just
had
a
few
just
one
question:
well,
I
probably
have
a
few,
but
one
is
coming
to
mind
about
the
lee
walker
heights
project.
I
know
we're
into
phase
one
we're
actually
placing
folks,
and
I
continue
to
ask
the
same
question,
because
I
just
need
clarity
of
the
96
past
residents.
F
They've
got
a
general
number
of
who
they
think
is
going
to
return
that
we
actually
put
a
number
out
there
last
month,
but
in
speaking
with
the
folks
at
the
housing
authority,
they
just
wanted
to
pause
on
actually
putting
a
number
out,
because
while
several
buildings
aren't
open
yet
and
may
not
be
open
until
the
may
or
june
day,
and
people
might
be
saying
at
this
point
that
they
want
to
come
back.
That
number
apparently
has
been
fluctuating.
F
So
we
can
always
bring
in
tara
irby
or
someone
from
the
housing
authority
to
discuss
more.
But
in
working
with
them
in
partnership.
They
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
had
the
line
as
a
reminder,
all
eligible
lee
walker
height
residents,
have
a
right
to
return
to
the
redeveloped
siteman
site
and
in
my
experience
with
my
previous
work
at
a
housing
authority,
I
think
they're
doing
a
great
job
on
the
communication
and
trying
to
keep
that
up
with
the
previous
residents
but
as
an
actual
figure.
D
Okay,
that's
good,
because
I
think
the
concern
is
even
though
they're
they're
eligible
to
return
a
lot
of
folks
after
relocating
may
not
want
to
return,
and
is
there
a
possibility
for
their
spots
to
be
opened
up
to
other
housing
authority
residents
who
might
not
be
of
lee
walker
heights,
but
might
be
in
the
the
other.
The
other
housing
projects
who
may
want
to
relocate
into
the
into
this
new
project.
G
And
paul,
I
also
believe,
but
I
don't
want
to
stay
in
fact,
so
I
would
love
for
you
to
ask.
Can
you
hear
me
sorry,
I
see
your
ear
other
housing
authority.
Property
residents
would
also
include
folks
who
are
on
a
waiting
list
to
get
in,
so
it
wouldn't
necessarily
have
to
be
people
moving
from
one
location
to
another.
It
could
also
be
people
with
vouchers
who
were
trying
to
get
in.
F
And
I
believe
that
please
I
will-
and
I
do
you
know
it
was
originally
96
units
and
now
will
be
212
and
I
do
believe
they
will
be
looking
at
people
on
the
waitlist
to
move
them
into
these
new
units.
But
I'll
get
further
clarity.
That's
usually
how
that
would
work
with
the
ura,
which
is
the
unified
relocation
act,
and
so
I
will
follow
up
to
get
the
clarity,
particularly
around
other
residents
of
public
housing,
with
leewa
in
the
in
the
system
that
could
possibly
move
to
lee
walker
heights.
D
F
Sure
it's
called
the
ura
and
it's
the
unified
relocation
act.
I
think
I'm
getting
the
you
correct
there,
but
when
you
do
something
like
this
type
of
rebuild,
you
have
to
follow
certain
guidelines.
F
I
think
it
comes
out
of
the
department
of
transportation
when
it
comes
to
relocating
people
and
everything
we
have
to
do
around
that,
and
it's
a
a
pretty
important
process
that
I
know
that
the
housing
authority
is
following,
and
so
I
can
always
put
a
link
if
anyone
wants
to
learn
more,
but
it's
a
it's
a
really
stretching
process
and
they've
been
doing
a
great
job.
Okay,
thank.
D
H
C
These
are
really
extensive,
updates
paul
and
I
really
appreciate
it.
I
did
notice
on
some
of
the
let's
see
which
one
it
was.
It's
titled
community
development
block
grant
funding
for
covered
relief.
At
the
end,
we've
got
some
eviction
stats.
I
think
I
did
see
parker
jump
on.
I
don't
know
if
she
has
any
information
for
february,
yet
I'm
just
kind
of
curious,
but
I
noticed
it
was
still
blank
and
it's
just
early
in
march.
That's
probably
why.
H
I
can
chat
with
some
of
my
co-workers
right
now
and
see
if
I
can
get
you
that
figure,
I'm
not
sure
if
they
have
it
yet,
but
I
can
find
out
real
fast,
no
worries
parker.
Thank
you.
C
D
I
had
a
general
question
paul
since
we're
still
in
the
pandemic.
I
was
wondering
if
there
were
any
new
guidelines
for
our
annual
home
and
cdbg
funding
decisions.
Did
they
kind
of
alter
that
give
any
leeway
around
this.
F
So
last
year
we
were
received
a
lot
of
waivers
with
the
coveted
pandemic
for
not
only
the
2021
funding
but
also
the
1920
funding.
We
have
not
and
megan's
on
the
call
too,
just
to
double
correct
me
there,
but
we
have
not
received
any
waivers
for
the
21
22
funding
that
I
know
of
or
I'm
aware
of.
As
of
yet
and
we've
been
in
really
consistent
contact
with
our
hud
representative
out
of
greensboro,
but
nothing
I
know
of
megan.
Do
you
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
saying
that
correctly?
I
That
that
is
correct
at
this
point,
hud
has
issued
no
waivers
for
the
the
next
funding
round
or
given
no
indication
that
they
would
be.
C
A
question
about
the
housing
trust
fund
balance.
I
see
that
it's
been
updated
and
at
the
very
end
I
know
this
number
can
be
hard
to
tackle,
but
the
very
bottom
it
says
the
garage
conversions
is
not
included
in
this
list.
But
where
are
we
in
that
process
of
I'm
recalling
this
from
ahack
last
year,
when
we
had
applicants
apply
for
and
receive
or
be
awarded
the
funding,
but
then
the
project
stalls.
Are
we
trying
to
create
language
that,
after
some
length
of
time
that
they
lose
their
entitlement
to
that
funding?.
F
Yeah,
so
a
couple
answers
there.
The
housing
trust
fund
policy
in
our
update
will
address
that.
You
know
the
use
of
that
funding
and
the
importance
of
trying
to
do
our
best
to
award
projects
that
are
shovel
ready
or
close
to
shovel
ready.
So
they
move
as
a
reminder
with
the
garage
conversions
that
was
passed
by
each
hcd
in
june
of
2018.
F
Kirk
is
coming
back
next
month
for
the
restaurant
court
project
and
we
have
a
meeting
with
him
this
week
asking
him
to
address
where
he's
at
with
the
garage
conversions.
Just
as
a
reminder.
It
passed
htd,
but
it
never
went
to
council.
So
that's
why
we're
going
to
try
to
get
direction
from
kirk
on
exactly
you
know,
holding
those
funds
or
what
he
would
like
to
see
happen
there
so
more
to
report
next
month.
G
F
When
that
all
happened,
we
didn't
necessarily
we
kind
of
pause
to
say,
okay,
well
we're
going
to
have
some
more
money
here
with
additional
program
income.
I
think
as
well,
and
so
we
put
it
in
what
was
called
contingency
as
let's
figure
this
out
and
think
about
it,
and
so
last
year
went
into
contingency
and
then
we
ended
up
distributing
it
to
other
public
service
grantees.
F
So
usually
we
don't
have
any
leftover
funds.
If
we
do,
we
can
put
it
in
a
contingency
fund
just
to
kind
of
pause
it
to
figure
out
at
a
later
time.
But
you
don't
want
to
do
that
at
a
much
later
time,
based
on
our
timeliness
test
and
wanting
to
submit
a
full
and
accurate
action
plan
to
hud.
F
And
sage,
if
I
could
just
add
as
a
reminder,
we
have
a
a
pretty
in-depth
community
development
list
serve.
I
probably
say
this
every
month
that
we
share
these
updates
when
we're
done.
This
meeting
they're
also
posted
online
on
our
city's
website
community
development,
and
then
we
work
with
the
cape
team
to
share
out
these
updates
to
the
community,
and
then
the
one
thing
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
on
these
updates
is
at
the
bottom
of
all
of
them.
F
We
really
talk
about
resources,
because
not
only
is
it
informative,
but
we
want
to
be
a
resource
to
the
community
and
we
talked
a
little
bit
more
this
this
month
and
we
will
about
the
2-1-1
service
just
in
the
fact
that
2-1-1
is
available
to
our
community
members
who
are
struggling
with
housing,
affordability,
home
ownership
issues,
paying
rent
utilities
and
even
things
like
down
payment
assistance
or
concerns
from
the
community
about
homeless
people
or
homeless
camps.
F
So
we've
been
really
having
great
conversations
with
2-1-1
and
they
are
a
great
partner
and
a
great
resources,
a
resource
to
us
and
reminded
us
that
they
can
handle
a
lot
of
these
calls.
Our
team
gets
hundreds
of
calls
each
month
regarding
several
issues
related
to
housing,
so
we're
just
trying
to
put
them
out
as
a
research.
We're
always
happy
to
take
the
calls,
but
2-1-1
is
a
great
resource
in
the
community
and
we're
just
reminding
the
community
that
that's
there
to
handle
a
lot
of
those
questions
as
well.
C
That's
great,
thank
you
paul
and
for
those
who
have
been
able
to
read
the
update
or
access
it
online,
there's
also
some
information
around
relief
for
back
owed
utilities.
I
know
this
has
come
up
a
few
times
and
how
to
find
assistance,
and
you
can
go
to
our
website
and
find
links
and
apply
through
the
county
for
utilities
for
rent.
Here.
It's
not
just
it's
not
just
rent.
It
can
be
used
for
utilities.
C
It
says
the
internet
server
service
does
not
qualify,
but
there
is
no
cap
on
assistance
and
I'd
like
to
see
this
update
here,
where
you
then
mention
that
there's
a
new
1.9
trillion
dollars
in
covered
relief,
but
I
appreciate
that
you'll
be
keeping
us
updated.
We
don't
have
any
current
information
on
that
and
how
it
will
roll
out
yet,
but
brings
more
hope
any
other
questions
or
comments
for
paul.
F
Yes,
so
we
have
the
the
homes.
Urban
is
the
selected
developer
and
we've
got
the
letter
of
intent.
Nikki
and
I
just
had
the
very
first
meeting.
I
think
last
week
with
the
team
to
try
to
work
on
a
schedule
of
moving
forward,
and
so
it
was
a
first
kind
of
introductory
meeting
with
their
whole
team
and
nick,
and
I
and
I
think,
you'll
be
hearing
more
about
a
timeline
and
then
we'll
be
bringing
in,
I
think,
each
side
bringing
in
more
people
to
the
table
as
the
conversations
continue.
F
But
it
was
a
great
first
meeting
and
we're
really
excited
to
see
what
we
can
do
here
with
homes.
Urban.
B
So
can
I
antoinette,
can
I
step
in
just
a
minute.
I
B
It
would
be
really
helpful
if
the
committee
would
make
a
recommendation
for
this,
because
typically
staff
doesn't
just
from
one
council
member
do
something.
So
if
the
committee
wants
to
request
that
this
be
addressed,
we're
happy
to
do.
That
is
that.
Does
that
seem,
like
the
committee
supports
that
and
I'm
sorry.
This
is
just
procedural
and
sounds
very
bureaucratic,
but
we
do
need
the
majority
of
the
committee
to
recommend
that
we
do
that.
We
take
this
and
move
this
forward
to
have
added
to
the
agenda.
D
B
D
D
I'm
definitely
in
support
of
that
and
with
that
being
said
out
of
the
nine
proposals
that
we
received,
who
was
the
runner-up.
C
Okay,
so
I
think
I'm
hearing
is
that
antoinette
has
requested.
We
discussed
something
vice
mayor
smith
has
supported
it.
I
will
also
support
it,
so
this
fall.
If
you
could
prepare
for
a
future
agenda
items
that
we
could
have
an
adequate
discussion
and
public
input,
and
so
on,
that
would
be
very
much
appreciated.
C
We
will
do
that
for
the
next
agenda.
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you,
mr
lee,
for
bringing
that
up
any
other
questions
or
comments,
or
things
we'd
like
to
request
for
a
future
agenda
item
around
these
updates.
C
C
C
C
F
Shockingly,
no,
we
have
a
new
community
development
team
member
who,
maybe
you
haven't,
had
a
chance
to
meet
yet
mary
brooke
cox,
who
is
going
to
present
this
with
mountain
housing
and
she's,
been
one
of
kind
of
moved
into
elite
contact
with
that
agency,
as
we
try
to
find
a
great
ways
to
divide
up
our
work
efficiently
and
effectively.
So
mary
brooke
is
going
to
lead
this
effort
regarding
the
staff
report.
A
Welcome
mary
brooke.
Thank
you
good
morning,
everyone
again
mary
brooke
cox,
I'm
a
community
development
analyst
here
with
the
city,
our
partners
at
mountain
housing,
opportunities
or
mho
have
requested
to
alter
loan
terms
on
five
existing
loans.
These
are
valued
at
just
over
six
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
dollars,
and
there
are
three
components
to
this
request
that
I'd
like
to
break
down
with
y'all.
A
So
the
city
extended
these
loans
under
the
carrot
loan
program,
which
provided
low
interest
rates
for
developers
of
affordable
housing
under
this
program,
mho
acquired
and
renovated
six
properties
and
created
22,
affordable
units,
there's
a
loans
for
the
properties,
here's
the
addresses,
61,
63,
65
and
67
annandale,
u80
merriman,
and
six
trinity
chapel.
Those
are
the
properties
we're
discussing.
A
So
truly,
the
benefit
of
this
proposal
is
we're
preserving
affordable
units
for
an
additional
20
years
and
protecting
future
program
income
that
may
result
from
the
sale
of
a
property.
The
drawback
here
is
that
the
city
would
no
longer
earn
approximately
25
000
on
the
annual
interest
payment
on
these
loans.
A
D
I
I
I
do
you
said
that
the
the
pandemic
kind
of
exacerbated
payments
from
tenants-
and
I
was
wondering
if
any
of
your
tenants
received
any
rental
assistance.
J
Oh,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
you
can
hear
me.
I
can
hear
you
fine,
okay,
good,
so
for
these
particular
units
we
have
not
had
to
support
their
income.
To
date
we
have
had
delayed
payments,
but
with
our
management
company
we
have
set
up
some
repayment
agreements
so
that
residents
understand
that
they're
still
responsible
for
payments,
but
we're
helping
them
to
do
that
over
time.
J
C
J
Yes,
all
of
our
units,
we
accept
vouchers,
and
I
want
to
point
out
that
all
of
these
properties
were
built,
probably
around
the
1930s,
so
they
were
already
older
properties
and
then
in
the
early
2000s
we
acquired
them
and
renovated
them.
So
now,
they're
about
20
years
old,
they've
gone
through
a
lot
of
tenants
and
a
lot
of
wear
and
tear,
but
because
we
are
restricted
in
income.
J
Well,
a
couple
of
things
we
have
found
that
older
properties
are
more
difficult
to
maintain,
even
though
we've
gone
through
a
rehab,
so
we
have
a
higher
operating
expense
related
to
maintenance,
and
that
has
prevented
us
from
putting
in
to
reserves
the
amount
that
we
would
desire
to
put
into
reserves.
That
would
then
be
used
for
future
capital
improvements.
C
J
Correct
so
the
properties
currently
have
a
50
limit.
J
What
we're
asking
is
that
we'd
be
able
to
take
that
to
60,
and
we
will
not
the
the
current
tenants
will
not
be
affected
by
that.
We
would
only
go
up
to
60
percent
with
new
people
coming
in
and
what
that
does
is
it
will
over
time
it
will
help
us
to
increase
our
revenues
to
then
help
offset
that
higher
operating
expense
and
hopefully
give
us
the
cash
flow
to
put
into
reserves.
J
The
renovations
are
about
20
years
old.
Most
of
the
properties
were
built
in
the
1930s
or
1920s
1930s,
so
they're
they're,
the
buildings
are
quite
they're,
100
years
old
now,
and
so
they
have
a
lot
of
maintenance
issues.
C
C
These
units
would
be
kept
in
an
affordability
range
for
another
20
years.
Were
they
about
to
turn
out
on
that
affordability
requirement.
J
J
C
D
J
Yes,
ma'am
we
would,
we
would
not
start
charging
current
tenants
anything
higher
than
what
we're
already
charging,
but
through
attrition.
When
people
move
out
new
tenants,
we
would
incrementally
increase
those
rents.
D
D
C
D
F
And
councilwoman
turner:
this
is
paul
here:
janice
ashley,
our
legal
has
raised
her
hand.
C
Oh,
I
can't
see
her.
Let
me
get
more
tiles
on
my
screen
to
make
sure
I
can
see
everyone
just
a
second
sorry.
K
I
just
I've
just
learned
that
raising
the
hand
thing,
which
is
it
was
really
helpful.
Good
morning
I
was
just
going
to
say
it's
sometimes
easy
to
say
the
so
you're
going
to
modify
these
loans
according
to
you
can
state
what
you've
already
stated:
councilwoman
mosley,
but
and
according
to
the
other
terms
and
conditions
presented.
K
So
that
way
when
it
goes
to
council,
we'll
probably
have
a
similar
motion
that
that
lays
out
all
these
different
terms,
the
increase
in
the
or
the
change
in
the
income
levels,
the
the
period
the
interest
rate.
So
I
think
that
would
capture
everything
according
to
the
terms
presented.
C
G
G
K
C
All
right
any
further
discussion,
I
think
we're
clear
on
the
motion
language.
Thank
you
for
your
assistance
janice
and
with
that
we
can
go
to
a
roll
call
vote
if
there's
no
further
discussion.
Okay,
vice
mayor
smith,
aye,
councilwoman,
mosley
aye,
and
I
sage
turner
myself.
I
all
right
great.
Thank
you.
Everyone.
C
Okay,
that
is
my
mistake.
I
apologize
everyone.
I'm
thankful
that
no
one
was
in
the
comm
in
the
queue
we
should
have
had
public
comment,
though
okay,
so
then
we
are
moving
on
to
item
number
five
on
the
agenda,
which
is
1.6
million
in
cdbg
program
income
for
the
purchase
of
65
ford
street.
So
this
will
just
be
a
discussion
today.
We
won't
have
any
activity
or
actions,
but
let's
discuss
so
paul.
Did
you
want
to
kick
this
off?
It
looks
like
we've
got
you
down.
F
Sure
I
can
go
through
the
staff
report
and
for
just
as
a
discussion.
We
did
go
ahead
and
share
the
staff
report
and
resolution
as
this
will
be
on
council
next
tuesday,
but
I'm
happy
to
walk
through
the
staff
report.
If
you'd
like
me
to.
C
I
was
able
to
read
it.
Perhaps
we
could
see
if
there
are
questions
from
the.
F
Absolutely
so,
and
the
material
should
be
available
for
everyone
to
follow
along
if
they'd
like,
but
what
we're
looking
for
is
this
1.6
million
dollars
in
community
development
block
grant
program
income
that
has
come
to
us
through
the
sale
of
the
white
labs
which
occurred
in
december
of
2020,
where
river
city
received
a
total
of
3.7
million
dollars
in
revenue
where
again,
1.6
specifically
is
set
aside
for
cdbg
program
income
as
part
of
that
parcel
was
purchased
in
the
1970s
through
the
urban
renewal
of
the
east
end
valley
street
area.
F
With
that
being
put
down
as
program
income,
it
must
be
spent
on
cdbg
program
eligible
activities
to
benefit
low
to
moderate
income,
individuals
and
families,
or
in
low-to-moderate
income
areas.
The
funds
must
be
spent
on
eligible
cdbg
projects
before
may
1st
2020
to
pass
the
city's
annual
hud
department
of
housing
and
urban
development
time
on
this
test
with
the
city
risk's
future
grant
allocations
per
hud
requirements.
F
Acquisition
of
real
property
is
an
eligible
use
for
cdbg
program
income
and
includes
the
purchase
of
land
city.
Bg
funds
may
be
used
to
pay
for
the
cost
of
surveys,
to
identify
the
property
to
be
acquired
appraisals,
the
preparation
of
legal
documents,
recording
fees,
other
costs,
like
closing
costs
necessary
for
that
acquisition
process.
F
This
investment
will
specifically
purchase
65
ford
street,
approximately
21
acres,
transferring
federal
funds
tied
to
urban
renewal
into
a
viable
housing
resource
to
serve
more
than
160
low
and
moderate
income,
individuals
and
families.
F
The
land
acquisition
at
65
ford
street
will
kick
kick
start
a
year-long
community
engagement
and
planning
process
to
see
affordable
housing,
community
amenities
built
in
the
deverview
area.
So
that's
a
little
bit
of
background
on
this
funding
and
again
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
This
is
a
difficult
timeliness
issue
and
a
hud
issue,
but
we
feel
like
this
purchase
makes
the
most
sense
not
only
for
the
timeliness
test
but
in
eligible
activity
and
the
benefit
to
low
to
moderate
income,
individuals
and
families
and
in
partnership
with
the
housing
authority.
C
Thank
you
paul,
I
think
especially
worth
noting
is
the
timeliness
and
the
time
constraints,
because
if
I
understood
correctly
every
year
our
hud
dollars-
I
think
someone
mentioned
this
earlier.
What
happens
when
we
don't
use
them?
Well,
it
almost
sends
the
message
that
we
don't
need
them
and
could
potentially
impact
our
future
funding.
So
this
is,
this
is
a
great
move.
The
timing
is
and
with
all
that's
going
on,
I
appreciate
that
staff
has
caught
this
and
attended
to
the
timing,
and
I
don't
have
any
additional
questions.
C
I
think
it's
a
great
move
out
there.
I
know
we
did
a
little
reconnaissance
in
a
hack
and
learned
a
little
bit
about
this
land
and
it's
adjacent
to
d
review.
It's
60
acres
in
total-
and
this
is
the
40
acre
parcel
right,
because
deeb
review
sits
on
20
acres,
so
it'll
be
a
collective
60
acres
to
look
at
redevelopment
and
building
stronger
community
assets
out
there,
which
I
think
is
wonderful.
F
And
just
to
be
clear,
65,
fourth
street's
21
acres
and
contiguous
to
land
that
we
already
own
it
known
as
cedar
hill.
D
Just
have
comments,
and
maybe
a
question
will
come
on
the
end,
but
yeah
so
so
the
sale
of
white
labs
has
become
a
very
sensitive
conversation
in
our
community,
along
with
the
exemption
of
ashland
avenue
property
from
the
urban
renewal.
I
guess
what
we're
calling
moratorium.
It's
not
really
a
moratorium,
but
and
with
that
with
that
being
said,
I
don't
believe
that
this
is
the
greatest
story
around
the
use
of
that
program
income
because
it's
still
very
ambiguous.
D
If
this
redevelopment
project
is
going
to
really
directly
impact
or
counter
the
effects
that
urban
renewal
has
had
on
our
community,
I'm
looking
for
the
better
story,
I'm
looking
for
the
better
use
of
the
1.6
and
I'm
almost
thinking
that
it
should
be
framed
around
what
was
lost.
What
was
lost
sense
of
ownership,
sense
of
belonging
sense
of
place
and
I'm
not
sure
that
that
will
be
restored
during
in
the
renovation
of
of
diver
view.
I
I
don't
feel
like
that
would
be
restored
there
totally.
D
If
a
better
use
of
this,
1.6
million
should
be
directed
to
our
housing
authority,
home
ownership
program
through
a
possible
dpa
program,
is
that
eligible.
F
So
for
an
eligible
use
to
use
cdbg
funding
for
down
payment
assistance,
I
believe
that
is
an
eligible
activity.
The
problem
would
be
in
the
timeliness
test
of
it
to
be
able
to
spend
all
1.6
million
by
that
may
first
timeliness
test,
and
you
know
councilwoman
smith,
even
when
a
community
like
ours
is,
is
lucky
enough
to
receive
funding
like
this.
F
That
time
in
this
test
doesn't
change.
They
don't
there's
no
kind
of
exception,
like
oh,
we'll
give
you
more
time
there
is
that
time
in
this
test,
because
we're
always
supposed
to
be
doing
our
best
to
be
prepared
with
another.
You
know
with
an
activity,
that's
always
ready
to
move,
and
so
with
the
time
on
this
test,
I
don't
think
that
would
work,
but
I
would
to
your
other
point.
F
I
think
probably
something
that
could
be
notated
is
the
use
of
this
funding
over
in
the
d
review
site
when
it
comes
to
the
purpose-built
community
and
in
that
partnership
with
purpose-built
community.
F
What
we're
trying
to
accomplish
in
in
partnership
and
with
the
community
in
the
rebuild
of
deeper
view,
as
well
as
the
larger
660
acres
and
purpose
book
community,
serves
as
a
bridge
connecting
community
leaders
with
resources
and
partner
organizations
that
share
a
vision
to
make
a
holistic
at-scale
investments,
including
housing,
education
and
recreation,
and
to
find
neighborhoods
to
achieve
excellent
and
equitable
outcomes
for
the
people
who
live
there.
And
so
perhaps
it
would
make
going
back
to
the
screen
here.
Councilwoman
smith,
to
talk.
F
D
Move
a
neighborhood
opportunity,
I
get
that
paul
in
and
it
is
beautiful.
But
but
that's
that's
not
getting
to
the
point
that
I'm
making
the
point
that
I'm
making
is
understanding
the
direct
impact
that
urban
renewal
had
on
the
community
and
the
loss
of
homes
loss
of
business.
And
how
can
we
direct
the
money
to
offset
okay?
So
if,
if,
if
it
were
to
go
to
the
home
ownership
program
through
housing
authority,
then
it
would
be
spent,
it
would
be
allocated.
F
Unfortunately,
with
the
cdbg
program,
it's
a
reimbursement
program,
so
the
money
actually
has
to
be
spent.
It
can't
just
be
allocated.
It
actually
has
to
be
spent
by
may
1st.
So
if
we
did
allocate
the
1.6
million
to
the
housing
authority,
they
would
actually
have
to
spend
all
of
that
money
down
by
may
1st
in
the
form
of
down
payment
assistance.
D
They'll
track
the
money
in
that
in
that
way
to
make
sure
it
was
spent
by
yes,
okay,
because
I'm
honestly,
I
was
thinking
that
we
could.
We
could
direct
that
1.62
housing
authority
for
a
program
to
support
their
home
ownership,
and
we
can
actually
use
the
three
million
that
we
set
aside
for
land
banking
from
the
housing
bond
to
to
secure
the
parcel
or
the
land.
D
F
As
right
as
of
right
now,
the
land
banking
dollars
sit
at
3
million.
1.5
of
it
was
going
to
purchase
65
4th
street,
but
with
the
receivable
receipt
of
this
funding,
we
have
made
that
change,
because
we
have
a
pretty
strict
autonomous
test
coming
up
in
six
weeks
that
we
have
to
spend
this
money
by.
C
Thank
you.
It's
interesting,
I'm
sorry
antoinette,
I'm
sorry.
Interestingly,
I
saw
that
the
talbert
on
your
updates
paul
was
also
set
to
receive
money
from
white
labs
for
the
purchase
there.
So
in
theory
to
vice
mayor
smith's
point,
the
cbdg
money
could
go
into
something
else.
The
land
bank
could
buy
ford
and
the
white
labs
money
could
buy.
Talbert
I
mean
there's
a
little.
You
know,
maybe
that's
something
that
y'all
could
flush
out.
Councilwoman
mosley
go
ahead
with
your
question
so
actually.
G
So,
let's
start
there
say
if
we
didn't
have
the
main
deadline,
could
these
funds
theoretically
be
used
to
buy
land
in
areas
that
had
been
gentrified
via
urban
renewal
to
buy
that
land
back
and
set
them
aside
in
this
urban
renewal
pot
of
land
that
we
have
that's
the
first
question.
G
F
So
to
answer
your
first
question:
land
acquisition
is
a
community,
a
ctbg
eligible
activity,
so
we
could
use
that
to
purchase
any
land
that
was
available
just
to
note
the
reason
we
went
with
65
ford
street
that
it
was
far
enough
along
in
the
process
that
we
could
actually
close
by
the
may
1st
deadline
or
really,
you
know
a
few
days
before
that
and
considering
things
like
a
hud
environmental
assessment
which
can
take
60
days.
F
So
we
had
to
immediately
jump
on
that
to
make
sure
that
we
were
able
to
beat
that
time
in
this
test
of
getting
that
done
before
the
may
first
date.
So
land
acquisition
can
be
done
absolutely
just
trying
to
clarify
why
65
4th
street
made
a
lot
of
sense
time,
honest
wise.
F
Regarding
ford
street,
I
don't
think,
as
we
purchase
that
property
we
know,
it'll
be
a
part
of
some
larger
redevelopment
of
that
60
acres
and
selling
that
land
or
donating
that
land
into
the
process
of
what
that
will
eventually
look
like
hasn't,
been
fully
discussed
as
we're
at
the
very
infancy
of
that
redevelopment.
But
I
think
if
we
were
to
sell
that
land
later,
that
would
come
back
to
us,
I
believe
is
cdbg
program
income.
So
we
would
have
a
timeliness
test.
F
But
of
course,
if,
if
that
closing
happened,
say
may
15,
we
would
have
more
time
till
the
following
may
first,
if
that
makes
sense-
and
I
I
think
it's
to
note
that
originally
white
labs
was
going
to
close
mid
to
late
may
of
2020,
but
due
to
covid
challenges
and
a
variety
of
challenges
there.
That
closing
didn't
happen
until
the
end
of
the,
and
then
we
had
to
kind
of
jump
start
second
week
in
january,
to
figure
out
the
best
way
to
spend
the
funding.
L
And
just
to
provide
some
background
on
the
65
ford
street.
So
when
we
approached
council
was
actually
almost
a
year
ago
this
month,
a
year
ago
february,
with
the
opportunity
to
put
ford
street
under
contract,
we
did
talk
about
utilizing
the
affordable
housing
bond
dollars,
the
land
banking
dollars
to
complete
that
acquisition.
And
that
was
the
initial
plan.
L
I
think
some
of
what
we're
we're
hoping
to
underscore
and-
and
I
certainly
hear
the
comment
about
the
connections
with
urban
renewal,
but
if
we
can
take
dollars
that
are
restricted,
which
is
our
cdbg
dollars
and
utilize,
those
in
an
eligible
activity.
It
does
open
up
options
with
the
the
dollars
basically
left
on
the
table,
so
we
so
we
basically
don't
spend
right
our
affordable
housing,
land,
banking
dollars
and
those
are
city
dollars.
So
there's
not
as
many
strings
attached
to
those
dollars
and
again
you
know.
L
We
also
have
the
remainder
of
the
the
purchase
money
that
came
from
the
sale
of
the
property
at
white
labs.
So
there's
still
that.
So
I
think
as
staffers
we're
thinking
that,
if
we
can
strategically
and
in
a
timely
manner,
use
these
cdbg
funds
on
a
vetted
and
eligible
activity
that
we
can
support
and
we
feel
like
we
can
accomplish
within
that
time
frame.
Then
at
least
we
can
allow
other
financial
opportunities
to
present
themselves
to,
like
you're,
saying
vice
mayor,
to
connect
that
more
strongly
with
the
urban
renewal
component.
C
C
I
wonder
if,
in
thinking
back
about
the
cedar,
cliff
and
the
land
and
the
discussions
in
ahac
last
year,
the
kind
of
proposal
laid
out-
I
know
none
of
this
is
in
concrete
and
is
all
subject
to
change,
but
there
was
discussion
around
the
goals
of
the
redevelopment
of
that
area
and
that
land
to
include
home
ownership
opportunities
and
mixed
income.
C
I
wonder
if
there's
a
way
for
us
to
potentially
support
this
with
additional
layered
in
information
like
should
it
it
needs
to
it
needs
to
support
home
ownership,
it
needs
to
create
home
ownership,
and
maybe
that
would
speak
to
your
point
about
it
not
becoming
a
rental
like
we're,
not
we're
not
addressing
urban
renewal
and
the
loss
of
ownership
by
rental.
But
if
we
can,
you
know
say
that
we
support
it
if
it
creates
home
ownership.
I
wonder
if
that
would
help
address
your
concern
now
granted
it's
still
years
out.
D
Yeah,
I
think
that
is
an
answer,
but
I
don't
know
if
that
is
the
answer,
and
I
think
some
other
concerns
that
come
into
play
is
the
area
you
know.
Dvr
view
is
outside
of
a
lot
of
our
social
centers
and
what
was
lost
during
urban
renewal.
Was
that
senseless
place
being
right
in
the
city
limits
being
close
to
folks?
You
know
your
social
networks,
so
there
I
think
when
we
think
about
what
was
lost
and
how
we
replace
that
it
goes
beyond
just
a
basic
trade-off
with
home
ownership.
D
I
think
it's
a
little
more
layered
than
that.
Absolutely
so.
With
that
being
said,
I
was
I
was
wondering
if
there
is
a
list
of
prospect
land
purchases,
that
we
can
take
a
look
at
because
we're
we're
in
punishment
right
now,
because
we
have
these
bond
funds
that
we
have
to
spend
around
land
banking.
Is
there
a
way
that
we
can
connect,
maybe
1.6
or
maybe
not
not.
You
know,
maybe
the
3
million-
to
restore
what
was
lost
during
that
time.
D
F
And
so
paul
here
I
think
absolutely,
and
I
think
you
know
to
just
quick
follow-up
like
you
know
telling
that
story
about,
and
I
know
it
doesn't
answer
the
question
of
what
was
lost
but
but
the
possibilities
out
of
deep
review,
but
then
addressing
what
was
lost
with
nikki's
point
of
freeing
up
funds
that
then
could
be
used
for
other
land
purchases
that
relate
to
urban
renewal.
F
I
don't
know
if
we
necessarily
can
tell
that
whole
story
in
the
staff
report,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
we're
looking
at
other
land
purchases
that
I
think
would
possibly
fit
into
that,
and
so
we
could
talk
more
about
that.
Perhaps
you
know
as
we
update
next
month
when
it
comes
to
the
319
story,
maybe
nikki
and
myself
can
add
to
that
story
to
kind
of
address
those
issues.
Councilwoman
smith,.
D
And
I
think
that
that's
the
spirit
of
the
movement
that
folks
would
like
to
to
see
and
feel
because
those
two
pieces
of
land
that
were
exempt
they're,
going
to
continue
to
be
conversation
because
the
the
sensitivity
of
the
matter.
So
I
want
us
to
be
very
intentional
and
and
show
that
we're
listening
and
that
we're
making
directions
to
towards
redress.
F
We
looked
at
that
site
as
well
as
a
possibility,
but
a
couple
of
things
there
there's.
You
know
not
heavy
environmental
issues
there,
but
there
are
environmental
issues
that
would
take
the
hud
environmental
assessment
a
longer
period
of
time,
plus
also,
naturally,
due
to
its
location
in
a
more
urban
setting.
There's
a
couple
other
check
boxes
to
be
thinking
about
about.
What's
around
that
parcel,
as
well
as
any
historic
implications
and
additional
due
diligence
that
time
wise
would
not
work.
C
F
I
appreciate
the
direction
very
much
on
trying
to
tell
a
more
complete
story
in
the
staff
report
very
much,
and
so
we
will
not
only
do
that,
but
also
again,
when
we
come
back
next
month
to
talk
about
some
other
properties.
We'll
engage
that
communication
mechanism
as
well
to
do
that.
Storytelling
too.
B
This
is
kathy
and
I
would
also
add
sorry
I
had
to
step
away
for
a
minute,
but
I
think
it's
very
helpful
to
hear
the
council
members
talk
about
the
intent
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
as
well,
because
there
may
be
other
ways
that
we
can
meet
that
intent.
So
that's
very
helpful
and
I
appreciate
your
comments.
C
C
C
C
C
I
hear
some
noise
sam
powers.
Are
you
with
us
hi,
hi
shanika?
Thank
you.
I
didn't
realize
and
we're
trying
to
get
sam
back
on,
because
it
happens
to
be
sam
powers
very
last
meeting
with
the
city
of
asheville
and
we
wanted
to
recognize
him,
and
that
is
my
mistake
for
letting
some
folks
escape
before
we
did
so.
Sam
are
you
on
with
us
yet.
F
I
C
Oh
well
looks
like
kathy's
trying
to
get
him
on
the
phone,
and
sam
has
been
a
tremendous
asset
to
the
city
of
asheville
over
the
years.
A
tremendous
leader,
I've
heard
only
wonderful
things
about
him
and
I
I
just
wanted
to
at
least
set
aside
a
minute.
Oh
okay,
I
wanted
to
set
aside
a
minute
to
make
sure
that
we
thanked
and
recognized
him.
I
didn't
know
if
anybody
else
had
anything
they
wanted
to
share,
but
I
have
certainly
oh
there.
C
E
Well,
thank
you
when
you
adjourned,
I
signed
off,
so
I
I'm
so
sorry,
but
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
it
and
it
has
been
a
joy
to
work
with
everyone
to
work
with
council
and
and
this
committee
and
I'm
grateful
and
I
will
be
around
and
so,
however,
I
can
assist
moving
forward
in
a
new
role.
I'm
happy
to
do
that
and
would
look
forward
to
doing
that.