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From YouTube: Environment & Safety Committee – July 25, 2023
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Regular meeting of the Asheville City Council Environment & Safety Committee.
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A
C
Welcome
everybody.
My
name
is
Maggie
Ullman
and
I'm.
The
chair
of
this
Committee
of
the
environment
and
Safety
Committee
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
our
July
25th
2023
remote
meeting,
all
Council
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
and
to
help
the
audience
follow
along
I
will
go
through
each
agenda
item
aloud
so
that
we
can
follow
along.
We
are
streaming.
This
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website.
C
C
925-2801
with
meeting
code
9477,
your
phone
will
be
muted,
you'll
hear
the
meeting
live
at
this
point.
Speakers
will
need
to
push
star
3
to
enter
the
speaker
queue
now.
I
will
go
through
roll
call
to
introduce
our
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
with
us
as
I
say
your
name.
Please
come
off
mute
and
say
hello,
so
vice
mayor
Sandra,
Kilgore
welcome
good.
C
Also,
council,
member
Shanique
Smith
good
morning
also
our
city
manager,
Deborah
Campbell,
hi
Miss
Campbell.
Good
morning
we
have
assistant
city
managers,
Ben
Woody
and
Rachel
Wood
with
us
today.
Good.
D
C
Maybe
Rachel's
not
here
yet
or
maybe
that
shifted.
We
also
have
our
City
attorney
Brad
Branham.
F
C
Hey
Mike,
we
have
our
financial
business
manager
Elise
Lewis
good
morning,
everyone.
C
C
I
also
see
Patrick
crittup
from
our
fire
department.
Welcome.
H
C
As
you
can
tell,
we
have
a
lot
to
talk
about
today,
so
we
have
so
many
MVPs
from
across
the
city
joining
us.
So
with
that
I
will
go
ahead
and
just
start
jumping
into
our
agenda.
You
can
see
we
have
eight
topics,
so
lots
of
conversation
the
earlier
ones.
Well,
we'll
just
go
ahead
and
get
started
so
item
one
is:
is
there
any
public
comment
to
kick
us
off
for
the
call
today,
Allison.
B
I
Okay,
thank
you.
First
of
all,
thanks
to
all
of
our
city
council
members,
we
the
Asheville
Coalition
for
Public
Safety.
Thank
you
for
your
service
to
our
city.
You
guys
are
great.
I
We
want
to
continue
to
stress
that
we
hope
the
city
continues
to
increase
entry
level
raises
for
potential
APD
officers
to
attract
recruit
and
retain
so
that
we're
competitive
with
other
nearby
municipalities
I
also
want
to
continue
to
advocate
for
creating
a
separate
committee
again
just
for
Public
Safety,
rather
than
this
combined
committee
with
climate
change.
I
We
call
in
to
support
the
number
six
agenda
item,
which
is
the
amendment
to
the
city's
public
solicitation
ordinance,
fantastic
idea
to
be
updating
that
ordinance.
We
hope
you
guys
support
it
as
well,
and
we
also
comment
about
the
downtown
safety
initiative
by
saying
if
we
are
able
to
attract,
recruit
and
retain
our
officers,
we
don't
have
to
have
30-day
initiatives.
We
can
have
12
months
a
year,
fully
staff
Police
Department,
not
just
covering
our
downtown,
but
all
of
our
major
corridors
and
neighborhoods.
Thank
you
again
for
your
time
appreciate
it.
C
All
right
so
on
to
our
second
item
is
approval
of
the
minutes
from
our
June
27th
meeting
so
moved
Central.
Second,
all
right,
all
those
a
roll
call
vote
council,
member
Smith
aye.
Vice
mayor
Kilgore,
myself,
I.
C
The
motion
passes
okay,
now
I'm,
going
to
turn
it
over
welcome
Elise
I
think
that
you
have
the
first
three
items
and
it
looks
like
maybe
you'll
be
sharing
all
of
them,
but
I'll
pass
it
over
to
you
to
get
us
started
for
those
listening
along
these
items
are
the
2023
and
2024
high
intensity
drug
trafficking
areas
grants
as
well
as
the
Governor's
Highway
Safety
program,
2024
bike,
safe
Grant
items
three
through
five.
Take
it
away
all.
J
Right,
thank
you
very
much.
You
can
start
with
the
first
slide,
so
our
key
takeaways
today.
These
are
two
grants
that
we
do
every
year.
The
high
intensity,
drug
trafficking
area
program
is
a
grant
program
administered
by
the
office
of
National
Drug
control
policy.
The
purpose
of
the
Haida
program
is
to
reduce
drug
trafficking
and
production
of
illegal
drugs
in
the
United
States,
specifically
in
areas
where
drug
related
activities
are
having
a
harmful
impact.
J
J
J
J
The
Governor's
Highway
Safety
program
Grant,
is
a
partnership
with
the
Governor's
Highway
Safety
program
and
the
North
Carolina
State
Highway
Patrol.
It's
aimed
at
reducing
motorcycle
fatalities.
Grant
funds
are
used
to
promote
awareness
by
contacting
motorcycle
dealers,
clubs
and
associations
to
discuss
current
highway
safety
activities
and
attend
and
or
host
training
programs.
We
act
as
the
fiduciary
for
this
program
and
this
grant
has
a
total
of
five
thousand
dollars
and
does
not
require
any
local
matching
funds
next
slide.
J
So
our
key
takeaways
are
that
the
high
intensity
drug
trafficking
area
program-
it's
a-
is
a
grant
program
administered
by
the
ondcp
it's
to
reduce
drug
trafficking
and
production
of
illegal
drugs,
specifically
in
areas
where
drugs
related
activities
have
a
harmful
impact.
The
bike
Safe
program
is
a
partnership
with
the
Governor's
Highway
Safety
program
and
the
North
Carolina
State
Highway
Patrol,
and
that's
aimed
at
reducing
motorcycle
fatalities.
J
J
C
Elise,
thank
you.
I
have
two
questions,
although
I'm
very
much
in
support
of
pursuing
you
know
these
requested
actions
but
kind
of
wanted
to
understand.
How
long
have
we
been
running
the
high
intensity,
drug
trafficking
area
program
and
or
how
long
has
that
been
happening?
I
know
that
we're
a
partner
in
it
and
then
just
us
understanding
like
over
time.
What
type
of
changes
have
we
been
seeing
in?
C
Maybe
the
volume
of
trafficking
and
production
or
the
you
know
the
type
of
stuff
going
on
in
our
community
just
a
little
context
for
why
we
think
this.
These
resources
are
important
for
our
community.
J
In
various
roles,
I
believe
since,
as
far
back
as
2010,
the
last
I
believe,
five
or
so
years,
we've
been
the
full
fiduciary
for
this
grant.
We
did
share
some
Grant
fiduciary
responsibilities
with
an
Atlanta
office
at
one
point:
Deputy,
Chief
or
chief
I.
Don't
know
if
you
have
any
further
history
about
this
grant.
F
Done
and
I
know
it's
one
that
we've
we've
participated
in
and
benefited
from,
especially
with
our
Partnerships,
with,
within
with
the
DEA
and
being
able
to
address
drug
trafficking,
both
locally
and
regionally.
For
a
while,
and,
of
course,
you
know
the
scope
of
of
the
drugs
that
that
we've
been
encountering,
that
has
increased.
You
know
and
it's
shifted
from
cocaine
now
to
methamphetamines
and
heroin
and
Fentanyl
as
well.
C
F
So
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
trafficking,
not
a
lot
of
production
within
the
community.
You
know,
production
was
something
that
we
generally
encountered
about
10
years
ago,
especially
the
small
mom-and-pop
type
Labs,
the
shake
and
bake
Labs
that
are
in
people's
backpacks,
but
we've
seen
very
few
of
those
now
and
it's
more
on
the
trafficking
side.
K
Should
I
do
that
separate
from
the
the
bike
Grant
for.
E
Good
evening,
commission
member
committee
members-
this
is
Brad
brand
of
City
attorney.
I
think
you
can
do
those
together
if
you
would
like.
K
Okay,
as
well
as
the
Governor's
Highway
Safety
program,
bike,
safe
Grant,.
C
Right
we'll
call
the
councilwoman
Smith
aye
vice
mayor
Kilgore,
aye,
myself,
I
the
Motions
pass.
Thank
you
so
much
Elise
for
the
update
and
the
work
you're
doing
being
fiduciary
is
not
a
small
role.
We
take
it
seriously.
I
appreciate
that
and
look
forward
to
just
hearing
the
continued
progress
in
that
work.
K
C
Okay,
let's
move
on
to
your
item
six
in
our
agenda,
which
is
a
proposed
amendment
to
the
city's
public
solution.
Solicitation
ordinances
with
our
city
attorneys
for
everyone.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chairman
and
good
evening.
Excuse
me
good
morning
for
a
change
to
all
the
members
of
the
committee.
E
I
am
going
to
be
presenting
to
you
a
couple
of
proposed
amendments
to
the
two
separate
ordinances
that
the
city
currently
has
on
its
books
regarding
solicitation
now,
I
do
want
to
mention
a
couple
of
things
up
front
before
we
dive
into
the
presentation.
The
first
is
that
the
two
ordinances
that
you
currently
have
on
the
books,
which
are
section
11.5
and
section
11,
excuse
11-5
and
11-14.
E
These
two
separate
ordinances
both
cover
various
aspects
of
solicitation
within
the
city.
I,
will
also
mention
that
in
your
materials
just
this
morning,
we
included,
which
is
saved
as
document
7A
is
actually
a
red
line
copy
of
both
of
those
ordinances
where
you
can
now
look
at
the
exact
changes
that
we
are
suggesting
now
with
that
being
said,
I'm
going
to
jump
in,
and
some
of
this
will
make
more
sense
next
slide.
E
Please,
first
and
foremost,
let
me
say
that
we're
going
to
be
utilizing
the
term
solicitation
throughout
this
ordinance,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
the
law,
both
in
our
own
local
ordinances,
as
well
as
state
law
and
some
case
laws,
well
uses
various
different
terms
to
talk
about
the
very
the
very
same
thing
and
you
will
see
both
in
the
state
statutes
and
some
of
those
other
sources
terms
such
as
begging,
solicitation
and
panhandling.
But
from
a
legal
standpoint.
This
is
all
referring
to
the
same
thing.
E
Next
recent
Court
decisions
that
have
come
down
specifically
from
the
U.S
Supreme
Court,
notably
in
the
cases
of
city,
a
city
of
Austin
versus
Reagan
and
Reed
versus
town
of
Gilbert,
have
further
refined
some
of
the
law,
which
is
applicable
to
local
ordinances,
that
regulate
solicitation
and,
like
we
do
for
many
other
areas
of
authority
and
regulation.
We
need
to
update
our
ordinances
from
time
to
time
to
make
sure
that
they
are
consistent
with
the
most
recent,
either
statutory
law
or
case
law.
E
The
majority
of
the
city's
ordinances,
which
is
contained
in
11-5,
have
actually
not
been
updated
in
over
two
decades.
So
these
are
very
much
ripe
for
a
second
look
and
a
refresh
not
just
because
of
these
notable
Court
decisions,
but
also
because
some
of
the
language
has
become
somewhat
stale
next
slide.
E
So
the
city
does
first
and
foremost,
have
legal
authority
to
regulate
what
the
statute
calls
begging
again,
I'm
using
the
term
solicitation,
because
that's
what
we
utilize
locally
under
North
Carolina,
General
statute,
168-179
and
as
I
mentioned
previously,
the
city
has
been
regulating
this
practice
for
many
many
years
now
there
is
a
separate
statute
which
is
North
Carolina
General
statute,
20-175
that
deals
with
a
very
particular
type
of
solicitation,
which
I'm
going
to
call
roadside
solicitation.
E
So,
instead
of
someone
approaching
you
or
standing
on
a
sidewalk
or
in
a
park
or
at
some
other
location
and
you
as
a
pedestrian,
these
are
situations
where
the
solicitation
is
occurring
to
those
members
of
the
public
who
are
in
vehicles
so
think
of
someone,
perhaps
standing
in
Median
on
a
sidewalk
on
the
shoulder
asking
passing
cars
for
donations.
That
is
what
I'm
calling
roadside
solicitation
State
statutes
handle
this
separately
and
we
handle
it
separately.
E
That's
why
we
have
these
two
separate
ordinances
currently
on
our
books
and
I'm,
going
to
lead
you
through
the
proposed
amendments
to
each
one
of
those.
So,
as
I
said
previously,
there
are
several
Court
decisions
that
have
come
down
recently,
and
this
is
part
of
a
broader
area
of
case
law
that
also
helps
Define
what
cities
can
regulate
and
how
these
types
of
ordinances
can
be
enforced
next
slide.
E
So
before
we
jump
into
the
two
specific
amendments,
I
want
to
go
over
some
important
highlights.
First,
there
are
no
new
restrictions
or
expansion
of
the
existing
regulations
being
proposed.
As
part
of
these
amendments,
we
have
already
had
these
on
the
books.
They
absolutely
are
in
need
of
updating
based
upon
these
latest
Court
decisions,
and
we
do
have
some
issues
that
need
some
polishing,
but
these
do
not
substantively
expand
the
existing
regulations.
There
are
also
no
new
or
heightened
penalties
or
violations.
E
As
part
of
this
amendment,
these
violations
have
already
been
on
the
books
and
we
are
not
changing
them.
The
changes
are,
however,
intended
to
accomplish
a
few
important
things.
We
believe
that
it's
very,
very
important
to
the
effective
utilization
of
regulations
of
this
type,
to
remove
any
ambiguity
to
add
specificity
and
continuity
to
the
language,
but
also,
as
I've
mentioned
now,
a
couple
of
times
to
make
sure
that
they're
in
compliance
with
the
most
recent
case
law
and
statutory
authorities.
So
we
believe
that
these
ordinances
are
focused
to
accomplish
those
three
things
next
slide.
E
So
first,
let
me
dive
into
the
first
of
the
two
ordinances
that
we're
proposing
for
Amendment.
This
is
what
I'll
call
the
General
solicitation
ordinance.
This
covers
solicitation
of
any
type
throughout
the
city,
but
it's
not
specific
to
roadside
solicitation.
Okay.
This
is
one
that
again,
we've
had
on
the
books
for
many
many
years,
but
it
hasn't
been
updated
in
over
two
decades.
E
What
we
tried
to
do
with
the
Amendments
is
further
clarify
and
simplify
the
language
around
the
who,
what
and
when
of
solicitation,
for
instance,
we
have
removed
the
term
immediately
dealing
with
when
a
solicitation
occurs,
we
think
that's
somewhat
ambiguous.
We've
added
an
exception
for
asking
your
family
and
acquaintances
for
some
money
or
other
things.
We
don't
believe
that
violates
the
intent
of
the
ordinance,
secondarily
or
thirdly,
we've
also
increased
the
specificity
around
the
location
of
solicitation,
which
means
in
some
cases
in
our
ordinance.
It
said
within
six
feet.
E
In
other
places,
it
said
at
or
nearer
location,
we've
added
consistency
throughout
the
ordinances
to
say
that
it
is
something
that
takes
place
within
six
feet.
That
is
not
only
specific,
but
now
it
is
consistent
in
every
instance
so
that
the
same
rules
apply
in
all
circumstances.
Now,
we've
also
added
language
to
clarify
the
Restriction
around
solicitation
and
outdoor
dining
areas.
E
These
are
the
areas
in
the
city
where,
especially
during
the
pandemic,
we
created
these
additional
spaces
where
people
could
dine
outside
in
designated
areas
parklets
or
the
like,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it
is
very,
very
clear
what
can
and
cannot
be
done
here
so
instead
of
using
general
language,
which
was
the
case
before
we
have
now
stated
that
the
solicitation
cannot
occur
in
a
outdoor
dining
for
Syria
facility.
That's
very
specifically
geographically
shown
on
the
ground
within
the
area.
E
That's
unambiguous,
or
it
can't
be
directed
at
people
in
a
outdoor
dining
facility,
so
that
additional
specificity
is
important,
not
just
to
remove
some
ambiguous
language,
but
it
also
drives
a
draws.
A
very
key
line
between
this
prohibited
activity
and
buskers
buskers
are
oftentimes
practicing
their
trade
at
or
near
an
outdoor
dining
facility,
but
we
don't
believe
that
they
are
actually
violating
the
ordinance
now
if
they
turned
around
and
began
asking
members
of
the
public
who
are
at
an
outdoor
dining
facility,
eating
or
drinking
for
solicitations.
That
would
then
cross
over
into
a
violation.
E
This
has
always
been
prohibited,
but
we
used
Antiquated
language
in
our
previous
ordinance,
we're
trying
to
utilize
the
most
commonly
used
term
now,
in
the
case
law
that
are
coming
out
from
the
Supreme
Court,
but
it
doesn't
change
the
intent
and
the
meaning
of
our
original
ordinance.
And
finally,
we
standardize
the
terminology
around
what
is
being
asked
for
in
a
solicitation.
So
previously
our
ordinance
had
multiple
different
ones
when
it
said
what
you're
not
supposed
to
solicit
for,
and
we've
simply
standardized
that.
E
So
it's
the
same
language
in
all
cases,
saying
that
it's
a
solicitation
of
any
type
in
the
previous
version,
it
would
say
solicitation
of
any
type
in
one
location
and
another,
it
would
say
solicitation
of
money,
goods
or
services.
We
just
want
to
make
it
consistent
throughout
to
remove
that
ambiguity
next
slide
now.
With
regard
to
the
second
ordinance,
this
one's
a
little
more
straightforward.
This
is
the
roadside
solicitation
ordinance
that
is
defined
in
our
city
code,
section
11,
Port,
Dash
14..
E
The
language
here
comes
directly
from
a
state
statute,
and
this
is
very,
very
specific.
As
to
roadside
solicitation,
the
state
tells
us
what
we
can
regulate
and
what
we
cannot
regulate.
This
is
much
more
specific
than
the
state
law
around
General
solicitation,
so
we
have
mirrored
our
ordinance
directly
after
what
we're
allowed
to
do
and
what
we
are
not
allowed
to
do.
Under
the
state
law,
so
North,
Carolina,
General
statute,
20-175
tells
you
what
you
can
and
cannot
do.
E
We've
already
had
this
ordinance
on
the
books,
but
it
was
very
short
and
it
was
somewhat
confusing.
What
we've
done
is
taken
the
various
parts
separated
into
separate
provisions
and
clearly
stated.
This
is
what
you
can
do,
and
this
is
what
you
can't
do,
but
it
doesn't
change
what
our
ordinance
previously
regulated
and
it
doesn't
deviate
from
what
the
state
law
allows
us
to
do.
So,
as
I've
mentioned
in
the
slide,
what
you
can
see
here,
you
can
and
cannot
do
in
both
green
and
red.
E
You
can
solicit
from
the
street
shoulder
or
median
at
the
roadside
if,
and
only
if
you
have
a
state
issued
permit
so
under
state
law
you
are,
as
you
often
see.
Maybe
the
local
fire
department
is
having
a
fundraiser
or
some
non-profit
organization.
They
go
through
the
various
steps
necessary
to
provide
for
the
safety
considerations
and
their
issues
State.
Permit
that
allows
you
to
do
that
kind
of
solicitation.
E
E
You
can
solicit
roadside
solicitation
from
the
sidewalks
if
you
are
not
violating
other
laws,
so
that's
different.
The
sidewalk
is
different
from
within
the
street.
The
shoulder
or
the
median
sidewalks
were
made
for
pedestrians
and
due
to
First
Amendment
considerations,
there's
a
limitation
both
in
our
case
law
and
in
the
state
statute.
That
says,
cities
cannot
prohibit
someone
from
soliciting
on
a
roadside
if
they
are
on
the
sidewalk
and
not
violating
other
laws.
Now
I
will
say
that
Although
our
proposed
amendment
mirrors
the
state
statute.
It
doesn't
go
any
further
at
this
time.
E
There
are
cities
around
the
country
that
have
taken
a
different
approach
to
this
third
category
and
in
fact
we
even
have
one
example
in
North,
Carolina
Charleston,
South
Carolina
is
another
example
as
well,
and
instead
of
regulating
the
solicitor,
they
have
regulated
people
from
they
prohibited
people
in
their
vehicles
from
giving
money
to
anyone
soliciting.
E
So
in
other
words,
if
you
are
in
your
vehicle,
you're
not
allowed
to
give
money
to
someone
who
is
soliciting
from
the
sidewalk,
even
though
that
person
on
the
sidewalk
is
allowed
to
do
so
now.
This
does
not
affect
someone
who
is
walking
along
the
sidewalk
and
wants
to
give
someone
money,
but
in
the
vehicle,
given
the
safety
concerns,
there
are
statutes
throughout
the
country
that
do
regulate
this
at
the
local
level.
E
So
this
is
something
that,
if
this
particular
body
and
the
full
Council
wanted
to
consider,
we
could
also
address
that
additional
need
by
adding
language
to
our
ordinance.
It
is
not
in
the
current
proposed
amendments
because
we
did
not
want
to
substantively
deviate
from
what
is
currently
on
the
books,
but
I
did
want
to
bring
that
to
your
attention
next
slide.
E
So,
finally,
to
close
this
up,
let
me
go
over
a
quick
couple
of
legal
analysis
points
here.
We
believe
that
these
changes,
which
I
have
outlined
to
you
today,
are
not
only
necessary
to
ensure
that
we
remain
legally
compliant,
but
also
that
our
ordinance
is
defensible
under
these
most
recent
cases.
We
also
believe
that
the
updated
language
not
only
allows
for
greater
specificity
and
continuity,
but
remove
some
of
the
ambiguity,
not
just
for
the
public
at
large,
but
for
those
individuals
on
City
staff
who
are
charged
with
enforcing
these
ordinances.
E
We
think
that
the
updated
language
is
consistent
with
the
statute
authority
authority
given
to
us
by
the
state
legislature
and
as
I
mentioned
previously,
we
are
not
currently
recommending
a
substantive
expansion
of
our
ordinances
or
any
new
or
increased
penalties.
Next
slide,
so
to
close,
I
would
say
that
at
this
point
we
feel
that
it
is
prudent
for
the
city
council
to
take
this
amendment
up
and
to
recommend
these
changes.
E
I
would
ask
that
this
committee
move
to
recommend
the
same
to
move
forward
to
the
full
Council
for
its
August
22nd
meeting
for
consideration
for
adoption
and
with
that
I'll
say
next
slide
and
I'll
open
this
up
for
any
questions
you
may
have.
C
Curious
if
my
councilwoman
do
as
well.
My
first
question
is
when
I
read
through
the
tracked
changes
version.
I
noticed
that
there
are
some
places
where
you
specified
six
feet
and
then
there's
some
places
relating
to
banking
institutions,
where
there
is
a
20
where
there's
a
20-foot
buffer
and
I
understand
that
if
you're
going
to
an
ATM,
you
want
some
extra
privacy,
but
I
guess
I
was
curious
about
why
six
feet
and
wondering
if
expanding
that
further
is
valuable,
because
you
know
six
feet
is
still
relatively
close
compared
to
20
feet.
C
E
Excellent
questions:
let
me
address
your
first
one
at
the
outset.
The
the
20
feet-
radius
of
prohibition
around
a
financial
institution
is
merely
because
of
the
increased
sensitivity
around
that
we
felt
that
that
was
additionally
problematic
to
have
someone
soliciting
either
at
an
ATM
or
around
a
banking
institution.
So
that's
that
20-foot
boundary
has
been
on
the
books
for
a
very
long
time
and
it
was
merely
because
that
was
an
extra
sensitive
location.
E
The
six
foot
was
actually
already
on
the
books
in
some
locations
in
our
ordinance,
but
not
everywhere,
and
because
other
places
were
a
bit
more
ambiguous.
We
wanted
to
be
as
specific
as
possible,
so
we
took
the
six
foot
and
applied
it
everywhere,
since
that
was
something
that
was
already
in
our
ordinances.
Now,
there's
nothing
magic
about
that
six
feet.
We
do
think
that
there's
probably
a
limitation
in
terms
of
constitutionality.
E
If
we
were
to
say
you
can't
solicit
within
500
feet
of
someone,
you
are
essentially
creating
a
complete
bar
throughout
the
city,
but
if
we
felt
that
six
feet
might
be
not
achieving
the
necessary
interest
of
having
these
particular
regulations
in
place,
and
we
wanted
to
expand
that
to
say
10
feet,
I
think
that's
something
the
council
could
probably
do.
C
Okay,
sort
of
understanding
is
when
I
read
through
the
detail.
There
was
a
lot
of
in
one
of
the
ordinances
about
the
high
traffic
zones,
which
essentially
looked
like
downtown
and
Biltmore
Village
and
am
I
reading
it
right
that
it
just
fundamentally
says:
there's
no
panhandling
in
those
high
traffic
zones,
but
for
the
sidewalk
thing.
E
This
is
a
bit
of
a
complication
of
our
current
ordinance.
So
years
and
years
ago
we
put
in
place
a
differentiation
between
what
we
call
high
traffic
zones
and
everywhere
else
and
as
you
correctly
point
out,
the
two
high
traffic
zones
are
currently
a
large
portion
of
the
downtown
area
and
Biltmore
Village.
These
were
identified
as
high
traffic
zones,
primarily
because
they
had
the
highest
degree
of
pedestrian
traffic
within
them.
Okay,
so
in
those
areas
the
city
has
increased
or
heightened
prohibitions
against
panhandling
and
solicitation.
E
It
does
not
restrict
solicitation
outright
in
those
areas,
but
it
does
prevent
you
from
doing
more
things
than
you're
able
to
do
in
other
areas.
Now
because
of
the
Constitutional
protections
around
First,
Amendment
and
solicitation
is
a
protected
activity
under
the
First
Amendment.
We
have
not
even
in
the
high
traffic
zones,
fully
prohibited
solicitation,
for
instance,
in
those
high
traffic
zones
you
would
still
be
able
to.
Is
it,
but
you
need
to
hold
a
sign.
E
You
could
not
approach
somebody
and
verbally
solicit,
but
you
are
able
to
hold
a
sign
asking
for
donations
if
you're
not
breaching
any
of
the
other
regulations
like
if
you're
not
too
close
to
a
financial
institution,
if
you
are
not
doing
it
after
dark
or
any
of
the
other,
very
specific
limitations
that
are
already
on
the
books.
So
you
can
still
solicit
in
the
high
traffic
zones,
and
it
is
because
of
the
First
Amendment
protections
coming
out
since
some
of
these
big
Supreme
Court
decisions.
E
That
says
that
is
a
protected
activity,
but
we
have
limited
it
in
the
to
the
extent
we
are
able,
because
those
are
the
high
traffic
pedestrian
zones
where
we
have
the
most
possibility
for
safety
issues.
C
A
Mayor
kilger,
yes,
I,
just
like
to
no.
Basically
when
we
talked
about
the
high
traffic
areas
as
being
downtown
and
Biltmore
area
is
it
anyway.
We
can
because
basically
things
have
changed
since
then.
Of
course,
West
Asheville
is
a
high
traffic
area.
More
so
I
would
say
than
Biltmore,
so
I
feel
that
it
should
be
included,
and
also
maybe
even
the
river
Arts
District.
So
how
are
we
looking
at
those
as
becoming
part
of
the
high
traffic
areas.
E
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Vice
mayor,
let
me
say
that
that
we
in
the
city
attorney's
office
looked
at
the
possibility
of
expanding
or
adding
new
high
traffic
zones.
E
Now
we
have
not
proposed
that
currently,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
we
wanted
to
bring
up
the
proposed
amendments
that
we
feel
are
most
necessary
for
you,
given
the
most
recent
Court
decisions
and
use
this
opportunity,
as
Council
being
able
from
a
policy
perspective
to
dive
into
these
types
of
considerations,
and
if
Council
would
like
to
add
or
expand
those
high
traffic
zones,
that's
something
that
is
within
your
purview.
E
We
would
want
additional
input
from
other
City
departments
like
APD,
like
Transportation,
perhaps,
and
some
of
the
other
areas
that
could
give
us
additional
input
and
that
not
come
purely
from
the
city,
attorney's
office
and
I
do
see.
Speaking
of
that,
APB
has
raised
the
hand,
so
we
may
want
to
bring
them
into
the
conversation.
G
Yeah
I
think
APD
would
concur
with
the
vice
mayor
on
the
situation
on
Haywood
Road,
particularly
in
West
Asheville,
for
certain.
A
Okay,
I
was
just
wondering
with
that
being
said:
Brad.
Would
it
be
something
that
we
could
consider
as
adding
into
that
motion?
So
we
don't
have
to
go
back
and
revisit
it.
Yeah.
E
Council
I
would
say
among
those
are
first
and
foremost
the
as
the
chairman
ulman
brought
up,
perhaps
increasing
the
distance
around
solicitation
currently
six
feet,
maybe
advancing
that
up
to
say
eight
to
ten
feet,
also
adding
additional
high
traffic
zones,
I'm
hearing,
maybe
Haywood
Road
in
West
Asheville
or
the
river
Arts
District,
or
both
and
also
again
on
the
roadside
solicitation.
E
If
you
want
the
consideration
to
add
in
any
sort
of
prohibition
from
the
operators
of
vehicles
actually
giving
donations
to
anyone
participating
in
that
process,
because
the
safety
has
it,
those
are
the
big
three
things
that
I've
heard
so
far
as
being
identified
as
possibilities
and
whatever
motion
this
group
would
like
to
make
feel
free
to
add
in
those
additional
Provisions.
E
This
matter
will
not
come
before
city
council,
if
you
advance
it
until
August,
the
22nd
and
because
it
includes
penalties
of
a
criminal
nature,
it
will
require
two
readings
at
Council,
so
you'll
be
seeing
this
likely
in
August
as
well
as
early
September.
We
have
plenty
of
time
to
go
through
the
exercise
of
adding
in
additional
Provisions,
as
you
would
recommend
for
consideration.
E
A
C
I'd
be
curious
kind
of
to
talk
to
like
I
wish.
We
were
in
the
same
room
I'm.
Looking
at
both
you
Council
women,
of
the
idea
of
prohibiting
giving
money
from
a
vehicle.
I
guess
my
first
thought
when
I
was
jotting,
my
notes
down
was
I,
don't
know.
I
just
I
know
that
sometimes
the
folks
who
are
panhandling
are
in
really
Dire
Straits
and.
C
They're
taking
are
uncomfortable
and
in
many
places,
unlawful
and
infringing
on
other
citizens
rights,
but
I
also
know
that
just
charging
them
in
the
misdemeanor
isn't
necessarily
going
to
address
the
root
cause,
and
so
the
fact
of
this
well-intended
generosity
I
mean
my
nine-year-old
daughter,
wants
to
hand
a
snack
out
the
window.
It's
coming
from
a
really
good
place,
but
I
don't
know
if
it's
helping
address
the
root
cause
and
it
might
be
reinforcing
these.
C
What
I
think
are
dangerous
activities,
and
so
you
know
whether
it's
adding
a
law
that
you
aren't
allowed
to
give
money
or
us
really
digging
in
with
Community
Partners
I.
Remember
maybe
20
years
ago
that
we
had
a
can
you
spare
some
change
for
Real
Change
campaign
and
it
was
a
community
campaign
to
really
promote
this
concept,
that,
if
you'd
like
to
give
money,
give
it
here
and
this
place
can
go
to
the
nonprofits
that
are
providing
the
support
services.
C
So
the
tension
between
carrot
or
stick
in
ultimately
trying
to
lift
up
a
community
conversation
of
is
giving
handouts,
is
giving
a
fish
really
addressing
this
problem
for
those
in
need
and
making
us
safer.
Or
is
it
perpetuating
behaviors
that
aren't
really
safe
for
us,
I
mean
I
feel
like
that's
a
conversation
and
I
think
that
we
should
all
right.
K
Why
don't
we
just
designate
that
one
part
to
the
high
traffic
areas,
because
it's
really
not
safe
for
that
type
of
activity?
That
type
of
exchange,
until
we
kind
of
put
some
deeper
thought
into
whether
we
just
want
to
prevent
it
outright.
E
And
if
I
can't
add
I
don't
want
to
get
outside
of
my
own
minimal
field
of
expertise,
but,
as
you
mentioned,
chairperson
Oldman,
what
a
lot
of
cities
who
have
implemented
these
kind
of
specific
restrictions
around
this
roadside
solicitation
have
done
it
in
conjunction
with
a
very
Public
Communication
plan
that
directed
an
alternative,
giving
option,
they
would
put
up
giving
boxes
that
would
be
donated
or
or
funneled
into
nonprofits,
who
actually
provided
services
and
shelter
operations
to
say
give
to
this
as
opposed
to
these
situations,
so
that
you
are
trying
to
capture
the
good
faith
and
good
intentions
of
those
individuals
and
give
them
an
option
that
is
more
not
just
directed
but
much
more
controlled
in
its
use
of
those
funds.
C
Yeah,
it
makes
me
think
of
our
first
public
comment
today.
I
know
the
Asheville
Coalition
for
Public
Safety
has
really
been
working
hard
in
the
community,
bringing
people
together
who
are
concerned
about
safety,
and
they
might
be
a
great
partner
to
talk
to
about
something
like
a
community
campaign
like
this.
C
E
And
if
I
can
to
to
council
member
Smith's
Point
regarding
the
location
of
these
particular
ordinances
and
the
high
traffic
zones,
it
seems
just
an
APD
may
be
able
to
comment
on
this
better
than
I,
in
fact,
I'm
sure
of
it
that
many
of
the
complaints
that
we
are
receiving
around
some
of
the
roadside
solicitation
does
seem
to
be
occurring
outside
of
what
is
currently
designated
as
the
high
traffic
zones.
We've
had
two
or
three
locations
that
seem
to
get
some
of
the
most
our
highest
level
of
complaints.
E
K
That
here's
another
question
concerning
that
point
are
the
complaints
about
safety
of
drivers
and
pedestrians
or
the
complaints
just
about
the
nuisance
of
it.
F
So,
council,
member
Smith,
it's
it's
a
variety:
it's
sometimes
they
reference
the
traffic
hazards
that
they
create.
Sometimes
they
border
on
common
law
robbery
depending
on
the
behavior
of
the
person,
that's
asking
for
the
money,
but
then
sometimes
it's
just
simply,
and
it's
just
complaint
but
Mr
Brandon's
right.
It
is
all
over
the
city.
You
know:
Wood
Avenue,
South,
Tunnel,
Road,
Corridor,
exit,
44,
Airport,
Road,
Hendersonville,
Road,
Merriman,
Avenue
and
Chestnut.
It's
it's
throughout
the
city
where
we
generally
get
the
complaints.
K
But
I'm
I'm
down
with
increasing
the
distance,
expanding
the
high
traffic
Zone
and
regulating
giving
I
don't
know
how
we're
gonna
frame
it
I'm,
giving
from
car
operators
I'm
down
with
the
direction
we're
going.
A
Councilman
Smith
was
just
talking
about
the
things
that
we
sort
of
agree
that
we
need
to
actually
make
those
changes.
Is
that
something
that
we
should
probably
send
over
that
proposal
to
council
Council
or
full
Council
like
we're
doing
now?
It
says
you
know
to
move
it
over,
or
should
we
actually
revisit
it
here
on
in
environmental
safety
to
actually
sort
of
horn
in
on
exactly
what
we
want
to
say
before
movement
I.
K
Say
we
kick
it
forward
and
see
where
that
conversation
goes
because
they
could
add
more
to
the
research
and
it
might
come
back
to
this
committee.
Naturally,
so,
let's
not
delay.
Let's,
let's
move
it
forward
and
see
what
the
large
body
wants
to
say.
C
C
I
also
would
wonder
if,
if
staff
could
in
concert
when
we
bring
this
to
full
Council
toss
out
some
suggestions
for
how
kind
of
you
know,
we
look
at
this
from
the
lens
manager,
Campbell
that
you
always
talk
of
of
reimagining,
Public
Safety,
and
how
what
role
the
community
plays,
because
I
do
think.
We
know
that
just
changing
an
ordinance
doesn't
necessarily
change
a
culture,
and
so
what
are
the
steps
we
could
look
at
for
a
community
campaign
or
what
Partners
might
that
be
just?
K
In
the
end
kind
of
give
more
clarity
about
the
protection
around
Buskers.
L
I
think
that
you
all
have
taken
a
fairly
significant
step,
as
it
relates
to
Public
Safety,
for
both
those
who
are
soliciting
and
those
that
are
being
solicited.
L
I
do
think,
though,
that,
like
with
most
things
we're
going
to
need
to
do
in
education,
Outreach
marketing
and
we
can
use
hey,
we
can
use
rotary
clubs.
We
can
use
a
number
of
different
nonprofits
to
help
us
communicate
about
this,
this
ordinance
and
and
the
need
for
us
to
change
Behavior.
We
are
evolving,
our
community
is
evolving
and
our
needs
to
support
this
population.
Unfortunately,
that
has
to
solicit.
L
We
have
to
support
them
in
a
different
way
and
I
think
what
you
all
are
doing
is
that
is
a
commendable
step
and
I
really
appreciate
the
initiative
that
the
city
attorney's
office
has
taken.
They
started
out
with
kind
of
the
minimum
and
and
I
think
you
all
have
built
upon
it
and
improved
this
these.
These
changes
in
an
extremely
compassionate
way
to
thank
you.
K
Hold
on
I
just
had
an
afterthought,
so
so
how
do
we
enforce
the
roadside
solicitation
when
it's
on
like
a
state-owned
right
away.
E
That's
an
excellent
question:
councilmember
Smith
and
APD
can
probably
again
give
the
very
best
answer,
but
let
me
say
that,
although
there
are
multiple
state
roads
within
our
jurisdiction,
they
are
within
our
jurisdiction.
So
there's
a
certain
amount
of
overlapping
control,
enforcing
local
ordinances
and
the
state
essentially
has
state
troopers,
which
are
tasked
with
enforcing
rules
on
state
highways.
That's
a
very
limited
and
and
sparsely
divided
Force.
E
So
we
would
be
able
to
maintain
the
enforcement
of
our
ordinances
from
a
legal
standpoint,
whether
it
is
on
Broadway
or
52
Merriman
and
those
are
those
are
one
city,
road
and
one
state
road.
But
in
any
case,
that
being
within
our
jurisdiction,
gives
us
that
control.
C
And
you
know
as
this
moves
forward
and
if
there's
questions
we
have,
we
want
to
suss
out
with
the
community
or,
as
we
figure
that
out,
I
think
this
is
a
great
place
that
we
can
all
put
in
some
elbow
grease
and
put
some
time
in
to
really
kind
of
rally
the
group
around
what
is
safe
for
everybody,
including
those
folks
who
are
out
in
the
medians
in
really
unsafe
conditions.
I
E
C
L
C
So
I'm
gonna
add
the
things
we
talked
about
on
the
fly,
so
hopefully
it
meshes
nicely
I
make
a
motion
to
recommend
and
move
the
proposed
non-solicitation
ordinance
amendments
forward
to
the
full
Council
for
consideration
that
it's
August
22nd
meeting
to
include
adjustments
to
increase
the
distance
from
six
feet,
to
Ten
Feet
to
add
a
high
traffic
Zone
and
what
staff
recommends
along
Haywood
Road
in
West
Asheville,
and
to
prohibit
giving
money
from
a
vehicle.
C
Second
Brad
I
see
you
two
of
you.
We
can't
hear
you.
E
My
apologies
just
for
clarification
was
the
river
Arts
District,
also
to
be
included
in
the
high
traffic
zones
or.
C
C
Roll
call
votes,
councilwoman,
Smith
hi
vice
mayor
Kilgore,
I
and
myself.
I
look
forward
to
talking
about
this
about
a
month
from
now
with
Council.
C
Okay,
now
we're
gonna
shift
gears
a
little
bit
to
talk
about
the
parks
and
rec
master
plan
to
talk
about
the
parks
and
rec
master
plan
with
detairl
mcgirt.
M
So
good
morning,
everyone
nature
vice
mayor,
Kilgore,
councilor,
Smith,
I'm,
Dee,
Tyrell,
mcgurt
parts
and
Recreation.
Director
purpose
of
this
presentation
is
just
to
give
an
update
on
where
we
are
in
the
comprehensive,
Parks
and
Recreation
master
plan
process.
M
A
M
Just
a
reminder,
the
last
time
the
department
went
through
a
comprehensive
master
plan
process
was
back
in
2009
because
we
know
the
city
is
preparing
itself
for
about
an
initiative
coming
up
in
2024
and
because
it's
been
a
number
of
years
since
we've
last
had
an
update
to
the
parks
and
rec
master
plan
process
staff
initiated
the
process
in
hopes
of
getting
our
act
together.
M
Understanding
what
the
priority
needs
are
within
a
department
understanding
better
what
the
community
would
like
to
see
in
their
Parks
and
Recreation
with
initiated
the
process
to
move
forward
with
the
master
plan
in
January,
RFP
was
put
out
and
the
consultant
was
selected
in
February
and
you
will
remember
in
March
on
the
28th.
M
We
had
a
couple
things
happen
in
this
council
meeting,
that
kind
of
came
before
you
all
presented
the
process,
what
we're
looking
to
accomplish,
what
we're
looking
to
get
out
of
the
master
plan
and
then
that
evening,
Council
approved
the
contract
with
design
Workshop
based
on
a
Raleigh
to
be
the
developer
of
our
system-wide
master
plan.
M
Today,
I'm
just
giving
an
update
on
where
we
are
some
milestones
and
we'll
take
a
look
at
the
timeline
and
some
upcoming
things
that
will
be
happening
with
the
master
plan
next
slide
just
to
review.
The
purpose
of
this
plan
is
create
a
vision
for
the
enhanced,
Parks
and
Recreation
system
that
meets
the
needs
of
current
and
future
Asheville
Community.
This
ties
in
nicely
with
the
council
priority
of
improving
its
bancor
services
next
slide.
M
Some
things
we're
looking
to
get
out
of
the
master
plan,
one
we'll
take
a
look
at
all
Recreation
that
is
happening
within
the
Asheville
Community.
The
contractors
will
come
in
and
assess
that
both
public
and
private,
so
we
can
have
a
better
understanding
of
everything
that
exists
within
this
area.
We
know
we
want
to
equitably
prioritize
programs
and
capital,
Investments
That
focus
on
our
existing
parks
and
Facilities.
So
this
is
an
emphasis
we
know.
When
we
go
through
a
master
plan,
there
will
be
a
lot
of
new
and
shiny
things
that
are
recommended.
M
However,
with
this
process,
the
focus
is
on
our
existing
Parks
existing
facilities.
We
want
to
promote
new
ideas.
Partnerships
part
of
the
assessment
of
recreation
activities
in
the
area
is
also
looking
at
what
are
some
potential
Partnerships?
What
does
it
make
sense
for
us
to
join
forces
with
some
other
entities
that
are
already
existing
in
town
and,
of
course,
Innovation
is
at
the
Forefront
of
these
conversations?
What
does
that
look
like
in
this
field
of
parks
and
rec
provide
sustainable
practices
and
strategies
that
fill
in
the
Caps
By
Design
Recreation
needs?
M
We
want
to
understand
what
makes
sense
for
Asheville,
Parks
and
Rec
to
focus
in
on
what
I
would
we
know
our
focus
is
community
recreation,
but
what
is
our
Lane
and
then,
lastly,
to
educate
the
public
and
build
community
support
as
we
go
through
this
process?
It'll
be
a
number
of
opportunities
where
we're
educating
the
public
answering
questions,
making
them
aware
of
everything
that
we
do.
What
does
community
recreation
truly
look
like
in
here
in
Nashville
next
slide?
M
This
is
a
timeline
of
the
process.
Right
now,
we've
already
held
that
kickoff
meeting
with
the
contractors.
It
was
important
to
us
to
have
this
process
stretched
out
over
a
year.
This
is
a
tool
that
we're
going
to
be
using
for
the
next
several
years,
10
to
15
years,
so
we
don't
want
to
rush
anything
so
taking
our
time
really
being
narrow
through
the
process
having
a
timeline
that
allows
us
the
time
to
do
so.
M
What's
important
to
us
as
we
were
putting
together
this
process
right
now,
this
summer
the
contractors
are
taking
a
look
at
all
of
those
documents
that
we
provided
them
with,
that
touring
our
facilities,
they're
meeting
with
staff,
we're
meeting
with
them
almost
on
a
weekly
basis,
reviewing
policies
and
again
taking
a
look
at
overall.
What
is
here
in
Asheville,
what
does
Asheville
have
to
offer
we're
hoping
to
by
the
end
of
this
year
around
the
December
January
time
frame
have
a
better
idea
of
what
the
plan
recommendations
are
going.
D
M
Be
and
be
ready
to
in
the
spring
start
implementing
some
of
the
some
of
the
strategies
that
are
being
recommended
next
slide
is
the
project
timeline.
You
will
see
right
now
we're
in
the
phase
one
of
the
process.
Community
needs
assessment.
So
what
that's
going
to
look
like
for
us
over
the
next
few
weeks
is
really
doing
a
lot
to
prepare
for
some
comprehensive
public
engagement.
M
That's
going
to
include
coming
up
with
a
branding
developing
a
website
for
this
project,
developing
the
city-wide
survey
that
would
go
out
to
kind
of
survey
pull
from
the
community.
What
they'd
like
to
see
in
their
their
Community
Parks
and
Recreation
meeting
with
different
focus
groups.
Focus
groups
will
include
both
internal
stakeholders
and
external
stakeholders
and
pulling
all
of
those
pieces
together
and
synthesizing
that
information,
so
we're
in
the
process
of
putting
that
together
now
during
the
months
of
August
and
September,
will
lead
up
to
this
public
engagement
piece.
M
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
we
know
know
that
our
Cape
department
will
put
out
a
community
survey.
I
know
that
our
Economic
Development
Department
is
going
to
also
have
a
project
where
they're
going
to
be
soliciting
feedback
from
the
community,
and
we
know
Buncombe,
County,
Parks
and
Rec
is
also
going
through
a
master
plan
process
too.
So
there'll
be
a
lot
of
opportunities
for
the
public
to
provide
feedback
on
their
local
government
operations.
M
So
we
will
work
collaboratively
with
cape
with
economic
development
with
Buncombe,
County,
Parks
and
Rec
on.
How
do
we
present
this
information
to
the
public?
In
a
way?
That's
easy
to
understand.
They
recognize
that
these
are
city
parks.
These
are
County
Parks.
This
is
what's
been
asked
so
that
we're
not
confusing
people
when
we're
going
out
and
trying
to
pull
all
this
feedback
from
the
community
next
slide
again.
I
will
purpose
is
just
to
provide
an
update
on
where
things
are.
M
Consultants
are
working
steadily,
we're
meeting
with
them
almost
on
a
weekly
basis,
and
we
hope
to
have
them
out
here
at
some
point
during
August
and
September
to
help
us
with
the
community
engagement
piece,
which
is
next
on
the
list,
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
all
may
have
about
it.
You.
F
M
K
Yeah
I
have
a
question:
I,
don't
know
how
to
I,
don't
know
how
to
say
it
exactly
so.
I'm
just
gonna
shoot
I'm
just
wondering
like
during
the
community
engagement
process,
if
you
all
put
Targets
on
the
subgroups
that
you
want
to
reach
out
to
like
our
elderly,
Community
or
families
with
kids
under
a
certain
age
or
use,
you
know
have
these
subgroups.
So
we
know
that
we
have
representation
from
a
broad
voice
and
not
just
like
one
area
of
people
who
would
probably
be
most
accessible
to
take
a
survey.
M
That's
a
good
point.
Part
of
we
will
have
stakeholder
meetings
with
external
groups.
So
yeah
we
have
a
pretty
extensive
list
that
includes
youth,
seniors,
teens,
young
adults.
M
Geographic
areas,
people
who
have
different
Recreation
desires
and
how
they
recreate
so
athletic
groups,
Youth
Athletic
groups,
we've
identified
all
of
these
external
stakeholders
and
there
will
be
an
opportunity
where
we
pour
them
together
in
one
meeting
and
kind
of
hear
from
them
all
what
they
like
to
see
in
the
apartment.
M
Yes,
we
value
it,
I,
don't
yeah,
it's
it's.
You
know
when
you
start
engaging
in
public
feedback,
you
never
know.
What's
what
you're
going
to
get.
Certainly,
there
are
certain
stakeholder
groups
that
are
more
organized
that
we
know
if
it's
a
pickleball
they're
going
to
be
there
and
happy
to
provide
their
feedback.
But,
yes,
there
will
be
some
groups,
there
will
be
teams,
for
instance,
it
would
be
hard
for
us
to
kind
of
pull
and
solicit
information
for
them.
M
We'll
put
the
effort,
extra
effort
and
energy
into
making
sure
that
we
have
good
representation
at
those
stakeholder
meetings,
and
it
won't
be
just
one
way
where
people
can
provide
feedback.
I
mean.
D
M
Have
these
stakeholder
meetings,
but
we
also
have
the
survey
go
out.
There'll
be
paper
copies
people
can
jump
online
there'll
be
a
number
of
different
ways
that
people
can
provide
their
feedback.
C
Fantastic
I
was
waiting
for
pickleball
to
be
brought
up.
We
need
equal
pickleball
and
Tennis
input
am
I
right,
I'd,
see
what
you're
getting
at,
though
I'm
being
playful,
but
yeah
I.
Think
there's
just
a
lot
of
folks
that
really
rely
on
this
amazing
Park,
Network
and
Programming
Network.
It's
so
meaningful
I
mean
right
now
we're
in
the
heat
of
summer
summer
programming,
for
so
many
kids
right
now
that
the
city
of
actual
is
a
part
of
their
family
right
now,
as
parents
are
working
and
hustling.
C
So
it's
exciting
I
appreciate
it
and
look
forward
to
the
leadership.
I
know
if
you
Tyrell,
when
we've
chatted,
you're,
bringing
a
real
Vision
to
our
community
and
a
depth
of
experience
that
I
think
having
a
plan
like
this
that
is
supported
by
the
community
is
just
such
a
fantastic
way
to
really
let
your
leadership
shine,
and
this
will
give
a
lot
of
tools
for
the
community
to
come
together.
L
I
just
wanted
to
just
re-emphasize
a
point
that
D
made
early
in
his
presentation
when
he
said
about
a
focus
on
existing
facilities.
L
That
is
going
to
be
a
recurring
theme,
as
it
relates
to
Capital
Improvements
in
our
in
our
community
of
looking
at
our
existing
facilities
and
resources.
And
we
know,
as
he
said,
the
nice
shining
new
things
are
always
get.
People
excited,
but
we
have
assets
that
we
have
to
reinvest
in
and
protect
that
investment
that
are
currently
in
communities
and
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
providing
good
quality
facilities
and
upgrading
again,
those
that
we
we
already
have.
C
It
makes
me
also
wonder
what
you're
talking
speaking
to
now,
Deborah,
which
you
know
I
100
I'm
with
you
so
much
on
maintaining
the
awesome
facilities
we
have
as
best
as
we
can.
It
also
makes
me
think
of
some
of
the
work
that
this
committee
has
talked
about
with
our
recent
adoption
of
the
municipal
climate
action
plan
and
how,
in
that
program
it
talks
about
resilience
hubs
which
makes
me
think
of
our
Park
buildings.
C
Our
libraries,
even
some
of
our
churches,
I,
think
that
so
much
of
what
parks
and
rec
can
do
is
Foster
and
support
through
the
public
little
heartbeats
in
every
neighborhood
and
what
services
those
look
like
that
I
wonder
as
we
get
further
along
in
our
Municipal
climate
action
plan.
If
and
where
there's
docking
an
overlap
in
the
Parks
Master
planning
to
looking
at
resilience
hubs
and
those
facilities
that
need
to
be
become
these
real
safety
net
places
or
expand
even
further
to
be
better
safety
in
that
places.
C
L
It
is
definitely
not
a
hundred
percent
there
yet,
but
our
culture
is
to
collaborate
to
make
these
linkages,
to
connect
dots
to
The
Leverage,
to
build
upon
one
initiative
to
see
if
there
are
opportunities
for
multiple
things
to
be
accomplished.
So
totally
agree
with
you,
chairman
almond,
that
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
connecting
the
dots
in
addition
to
the
sustainability
and
climate
action
plan.
But
our
emergency
operation
plan
I
mean
utilizing
our
centers
for
those
emergency
hubs
as
well,
so
I
think
D
was
to
to
speak.
M
Yeah
part
of
what
we've
test
the
the
contract
characters
with
is
taking
a
look
at
all
plans.
So,
yes,
the
climate
action
plan
that
we
currently
have
in
place
is
one
of
those
documents
that
did
dive
deep
into
looking
into
the
work
that
the
reparations
commission
is
doing
to
make
sure
the
equity
piece
is
also
included
in
the
Parks
and
Rec
master
plan
along
with
Innovation
and
making
sure
that
the
focus
is
on
community
recreation,
as
well
as
maintaining
our
current
assistant
parks
and
centers.
M
So,
yes,
councilwoman
Oldman,
the
common
action
plan
will
be
looked
at
also.
A
C
C
All
right,
we
are
moving
right
along
fantastic,
so
our
second
to
last
agenda,
item
number,
eight
is
a
downtown
safety
initiative
transition
with
our
assistant
city
manager
and
our
deputy
chief,
and
maybe
others,
but
thanks
for
bringing
this
to
us,
I
know
that
we
had
set
out
for
the
60-day
initiative.
C
That
was
you
know,
May
and
June,
and
that
expectedly
we
have
full
support
to
continue
this
initiative
and
so
excited
to
see
some
of
the
data
and
the
performance
and
kind
of
have
that
conversation
of
where
we
go
and
what's
next
vice
mayor
Kilgore,
oh
I
was
like
excited:
let's
go
but
yeah
thanks
for
bringing
this
I
know
that
some
of
this
conversation,
the
downtown
commission,
was
presented
with
this
information
in
leadership
Asheville,
so
really
glad
that
we
at
Council
are
having
this
conversation
and
hearing
the
same
information
and
moving
it
forward.
D
Thank
you,
Council
Bowman,
Holman
and
other
members
of
the
environment
and
Safety
Committee,
benwoodie
assistant
city
manager.
We've
crossed
the
noon
threshold,
so
I'll
now
say
good
afternoon.
It
is
that's
correct,
councilman
Allman!
This
is
a
similar
presentation
that
we've
done
for
other
groups
that
Advisory
board
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
move
to
this
pretty
pretty
quickly.
Today,
I
also
have
deputy
chief
lamb,
that's
going
to
take
a
portion
in
the
middle,
so
I
will
transition
to
him.
D
So
again,
this
is
our
downtown
safety
initiative
and
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
today.
What
we've
done
with
that
some
of
the
takeaways
things
that
we've
learned
along
the
way
and
then
just
want
to
inform
Council
and
the
community
of
kind
of
what
to
expect
moving
forward.
So
again,
just
a
quick
reminder:
this
was
a
60-day
initiative
that
was
launched
on
May
1st
of
this
year.
D
It
was
a
multi-departmental
effort
with
a
high
level
of
focus
on
safety,
cleanliness
and
assisting
individuals
in
need,
and
it
was
focused
on
our
Central
business
district,
which
is
our
downtown
area.
So
next
slide,
please
our
key
takeaways
is
we
have
a
transitioned
we're
out
of
the
60
days
that
ended
at
the
end
of
June,
so
I'll
cover
a
little
bit
today
about
some
of
the
enhancements
that
have
come
out
of
that
also
talk
about
some
of
the
ongoing
and
continued
services
that
will
continue
to
see
in
the
downtown
area.
D
Again.
To
reiterate,
this
was
based
on
the
premise
that
Public,
Safety
and
cleanliness
is
a
community-wide
responsibility
and
that
we've
made
considerable
Headway
in
understanding
and
addressing
those
needs
in
our
downtown
area,
safety
and
cleanliness
conditions.
Excuse
me
continue
to
be
prioritized,
they
always
have
been
and
they
continue
to
be,
and
then
finally,
staff
is
continuing
to
assess
resource
needs
and
partnership
opportunities
to
continue
to
enhance
our
level
of
service
in
the
downtown
area
or
anywhere
really
for
that
matter.
So
next
slide.
Please.
D
So
again,
I
think
what
what
I
it
was,
a
great
takeaway
and
what
I'm
really
proud
of
our
Organization
for
doing
is
really
the
multi-departmental
effort
this.
This
took
so
again
this
sort.
This
was
a
number
of
departments
that
came
together
really
to
try
to
address
these
conditions
in
our
downtown
related
to
safety
and
cleanliness.
A
big
element
of
that
is
being
proactive,
so
this
is
the
city
trying
to
be
out
and
be
proactive
to
address
concerns
or
to
provide
a
higher
level
of
service.
D
We
had
a
lot
of
community
participation,
we're
thankful
for
that.
Our
community
members
helped
with
reporting
issues
adopting
crime
prevention
strategies.
We
did
a
number
of
Public
Safety
assessment
walks
that
I
was
a
part
of
and
I
really
enjoyed
the
opportunity
to
walk
and
be
out
with
our
community
in
downtown
and
understand
their
concerns
and
ideas,
and
also
we
did
a
number
of
community
cleanups,
and
you
can
see
the
picture
here.
D
Next
slide,
please
one
thing
that
we
did:
that's
that's
I,
think
really
evident
and
shows
the
amount
of
work
that
went
into
this,
and
this
is
on
our
project
page
and
really
down
at
the
bottom
of
this
slide.
You
can
see
a
link
to
the
project
page,
but
we
also
tracked
everything
that
we
did.
We
wanted
to
show
the
community
here's.
D
What
we
did
here
are
the
actions
we
took
in
the
60-day
period,
so
you
can
see
what
that
looked
like
and
not
only
see
the
staff
that
were
out
but
actually
understand
what
was
happening
in
that
60
days
and
just
to
highlight
a
couple
of
things
we
had
eight
volunteer,
cleanups
of
more
than
four
thousand
graffiti
tags
were
removed.
I
still
can't
believe
we
did
4
000
of
those
in
a
60-day
period,
but
we
did
in
the
CBD
APD
same
same
just
incredible
and
they
did
463
verbal
warnings
were
issued.
D
You
can
see
and
I
want
to
point
to
the
Community
Support.
We
had
our
APD
staff,
they
made
888
business
contacts,
which
is
just
amazing
to
me
how
much
they
put
into
being
out
in
the
community.
D
You
can
see
our
pilot
program,
our
community
responders.
This
number
is
going
to
look
bigger
on
a
slide
in
a
second,
but
during
that
60-day
period
they
made
361
proactive
contacts
with
individuals
that
may
have
been
in
need
of
assistance.
D
They
had
85
responsive
interactions
and
again
you
can
see
these
Wellness
checks
so
again
really
just
represents
how
busy
and
what
staff
is
doing
in
the
60-day
period.
If
you
go
to
our
project,
page
you'll
see
a
lot
more
numbers
and
data.
That
kind
of
shows
that
next
slide,
please
so
just
to
take
a
second
to
talk
about
our
community
responder
program.
I
know:
we've
got
assistant
fire
chief,
critical
Nicole.
If
there's
any
questions
on
this,
but
this
is
a
pilot
program
that
launched
on
May
1st.
D
The
idea
is
that
this
service
fills
in
really
a
gap
in
providing-
and
this
is
really
the
key
part-
is
a
proactive
assistance
to
those
it
may
be
in
need.
So
these
are
individuals
they're
out
and,
amongst
you
know,
the
downtown
area
and
China
provide
proactively
assistance
to
someone
that
may
be
in
need
or
appears
to
be,
a
need.
Our
responders
also
provide
a
public
safety
presence
they're
in
uniform
and
they
are
Public
Safety
officials
and,
and
they
give
that
presentation
again.
D
They
they
help
people
in
need,
that's
everything
from
as
simple
as
making
a
phone
call
from
somebody
to
setting
up
a
ride
for
somebody
to
get
to
an
appointment,
even
as
far
as
to
getting
people
connected
to
shelter,
clothing
and
mental
health
assistance.
So
the
the
the
type
of
services
that
these
employees
are
able
to
provide
is
really
amazing
and
phenomenal,
and
they
truly
are
out
amongst
people
that
may
be
in
need,
as
well
as
talking
to
our
business
community
and
making
sure
we're
meeting
their
needs
as
well.
D
The
other
thing
about
this
program,
it's
been
so
successful
as
a
pilot,
and
it
is
ongoing
and
continues
they're
actually
initially
we're
focused
in
the
CBD,
but
now
and
you
can
see
on
the
heat
maps
of
the
map
there,
you
see
the
big
yellow
heat
area
in
the
middle
is
the
CBD,
but
you
can
see
that
their
Community
responders
were
starting
to
get
outside
of
the
CBD
a
little
bit.
So
you
can
see
they've
made
some
contacts
in
West
Asheville
they've
made
some
contacts
around
contacts,
Around
The,
Tunnel
Road.
D
So
again
you
can
really
see
this
program
beginning
to
kind
of
flourish,
not
just
in
the
downtown
but
other
areas
as
well
as
of
the
date
of
this,
which
I
think
was
a
couple
of
days
ago.
We've
we've
we're
up
to
550
events.
449
are
proactive,
100
responsive.
D
So
again
they
are
a
busy
group
of
community
responders,
and
so
what
I'm
going
to
do
next
is
I'm
going
to
Pivot
to
deputy
chief
lamb
he's
going
to
take
the
next
few
slides
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
apd's
takeaways
from
the
60-day
initiative,
so
deputy
chief
lamb,
if
you're
ready,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
F
Sounds
great
Ben!
Thank
you
all
right
next
slide,
please.
So
what
we'll
look
at
now
is
the
data
surrounding
apd's,
proactive
presence
in
the
central
business
district
during
the
initiative.
So
the
first
chart
you
see
there
is
a
non-officer
initiated
calls
for
service,
so
these
are
calls
that
came
in
through
dispatch
that
were
given
to
officers
that
came
from
the
public,
and
you
can
see
there
that
the
calls
calls
for
service
slightly
increased,
but
not
a
lot
from
the
previous
year
from
2022.
F
and
looking
at
the
next
chart,
you
can
see
that
that
is
Officer
initiated
calls
for
service
so
that
those
are
events
that
officers
initiated
themselves.
I
mean
you
can
see
that
the
self-initiation
increased
significantly.
So
you
know
those
that's
from
where
officers
generate
foot
patrols,
public
contacts,
but
also
witnessing
crimes
in
progress
which
we
will
see
in
the
next
slide
right
next
slide.
Please!
F
So,
first
we'll
talk
about
violent
crime.
This
is
a
question
that
we've
had
about.
The
initiative
is
with
officers
downtown.
You
know
why
has
violent
crime
increased?
Well,
that's
due
to
the
fact
that,
with
the
increased
presence
of
officers
downtown,
that
officers
again
are
are
witnessing
crimes
in
progress,
so
they
would
see
an
assault.
F
They
would
see
an
assault
with
a
deadly
weapon
or
some
type
of
violent
crime
event
that
happened
and
then
interdict
do
the
investigation
and
make
the
arrest,
and
so
that
is-
and
these
are
based
on
events
not
on
calls
for
service.
So
that's,
basically
an
officer
taking
a
report
doing
the
investigation
and
then
following
through
with
that
investigation
and
neither
issuing
a
citation
or
making
an
arrest.
F
The
next
block
is
property
crime,
property
crime,
increased
33
percent,
and
that
is
again
for
the
same
reason
is
that,
with
that
increased
presence
officers
are
witnessing
crimes
in
progress
and
therefore
doing
more
more
reports
doing
more
investigation
to
make
you
more
rest,
you
know
one
example
of
this
is
I
was
downtown
at
Pritchard
Park,
one
of
the
evenings
and
a
business
owner,
flanked
this
down
about
a
larceny
that
just
occurred.
F
Well,
whenever
we
intervened
and
found
the
offender,
she
happened
to
have
stolen
goods
from
two
other
businesses,
so
that
became
three
separate
incidents
in
property
crime,
in
addition
to
the
fact
that
she
had
methamphetamines
on
her,
and
so
she
was
arrested
and
was
still
in
custody
next
slide.
F
Please-
and
this
is
our
arrest
by
week-
so
look
you
can
see
during
the
initiative
our
arrest
increased
based
on
the
2022
numbers,
so
you
know
they
were
up
towards
16
during
week,
19
and
then
around
17
during
week,
23-
and
this
again
goes
back
to
the
increase,
proactive
presence
of
officers
downtown
that
you
know.
It
also
gave
us
an
opportunity
to
take
some
of
those
key
offenders
that
were
doing
really
outrageous,
behavior
downtown
and
being
able
to
take
them
in
custody.
F
A
Vice
mayor
I'm,
sorry,
let
me
go
back
to
the
slide
if
you
probably,
if
you
notice
that,
basically
what
you
said
when
you
all
started
the
initiative,
how
it
went
up
the
arrest
went
up.
But
if
you
can
see
how?
Because
of
the
presence
there,
it
started
heading
downward
very
quickly.
As
far
as
the
activity.
F
F
Yeah,
we're
optimistic
now
we're
only
19
days,
I
think
past
the
initiative
19
or
20,
but
thus
far
based
on
our
crime,
stats,
both
property
and
violent
crime
within
the
the
reporting
area.
Within
that
Central
business
district
is
down
so
we're
hoping
that's
lasting.
Okay,.
D
Okay,
I'm
gonna
take
back
up
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide
again.
I
want
to
thank
deputy
chief,
lamb
and
Captain
stepp
and
Chief's
office
for
all
their
work
and
being
proactive
and
being
a
part,
really
a
leader
in
this
initiative.
So
what
we,
what
we
learned
and
I'm
going
to
kind
of
wrap
up
the
the
data
piece
here,
we'll
move
into
some
other
things
is
I.
Think
we
learned
that
the
proactive
engagement
and
Presence
by
law
enforcement
by
our
community
responders.
It
really
is
needed.
D
It
helps
us
to
address
many
of
the
complicated
factors
that
we
see
in
our
city.
We
also
know
that
community
support
and
engagement
is
also
needed
to
interrupt
these
patterns
of
violence
and
reduce
crime,
city-wide
and
finally,
just
kind
of
looking
at
the
data.
We
also
understand
the
value
in
the
end
of
the
Department
of
coordination
that
happened,
relationships
that
we
were
able
to
form
and
how
we
were
able
to
more
efficiently
deliver
services.
D
So
again,
a
good
good
opportunity,
through
the
60
days,
to
kind
of
evaluate
a
lot
of
what
we
do
in
terms
of
service
delivery
and
how
we
do
that.
So,
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
three
slides
real
quick
kind
of
now
what
we've
heard
from
the
community
through
this
60-day
initiative.
A
lot
of
this
is
anecdotal.
You
know
we
just
have
conversations
just
like
Council
does
and
hear
from
business
owners
and
residents,
but
we're
also
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
a
survey
instrument
that
occurred.
D
So
generally,
the
feedback's
been
positive.
People
downtown
like
to
see
the
level
of
service
they
like
the
proactive
approach.
I
think
the
cross-disciplinary
effort
has
been
appreciated.
D
You
know,
there's
still
some
things
that
we
can
do
better
with
and
we're
working
on
those
we
want
to
make
sure
that
City
staff
and
leaders
are
accessible
to
our
community.
We
want
to
make
sure
our
businesses
know
how
to
access
tools
and
services
that
they
need
and,
of
course,
not
talk
more
about
this
shortly.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
an
easier
path
to
get
to
City
staff
or
to
ask
about
a
service,
and
we
have
some
thoughts
on
that
as
well.
D
Next
slide,
please
one
thing
that
we
were
able
to
do
is
Ada
Asheville,
Downtown
Association:
they
they
do
an
annual
survey
and
they
usually
review
those
survey
results
at
their
state
of
downtown
luncheon,
but
we
were
able
to
work
with
Ada
to
do
a
follow-up
survey
administered
toward
the
end
of
the
six
day
period.
So
we
wanted
to
check
back
in
on
some
of
the
earlier
survey
results
that
came
out
earlier
in
the
year
and
Ada.
They
administered
this
survey
and
help
with
this,
but
we
were
encouraged
by
a
couple
of
things.
D
D
We
found
that
a
higher
proportion
of
respondents
feels
safe
during
the
day,
so
that
was
a
Improvement
and
then
we
found
that
a
lower
proportion
of
respondents
feel
very
unsafe
at
night
and
actually
feel
more
neutral.
So
we
made
some
progress.
This
is
the
one
serving
instrument
we
had
access
to
and,
of
course
we
have
the
anecdotal
information
we
get
from
people
as
well.
Next
slide:
don't
want
to
forget
about
the
cleanliness
piece
of
this
either
and
again.
Overall
respondents,
rated
downtown
is
cleaner.
D
During
the
60
day
initiative,
cleanliness
remains
one
of
our
most
pressing
infrastructure
priorities
for
our
downtown
moving
forward.
So
we've
heard
that
loud
and
clear,
and
then
we've
also
recognized
that
the
need
for
lighting
has
increased
in
importance.
I
think
that's
because
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
this
60-day
initiative.
Looking
and
talking
with
residents
and
businesses
about
lighting,
so
I
think
there's
an
acknowledgment
of
how
important
that
is
in
the
safety
of
a
downtown.
D
So
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
that
kind
of
captures
our
feedback
loop.
My
last
couple
of
slides
are
the
big
questionable.
What's
what's
next,
and
so
everything
is
going
to
be
next
because
we're
going
to
keep
providing
the
services
that
we
have
been
we're
committed
to
that
I
just
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
real
quickly.
We've
learned
a
lot
in
this
60
days.
D
We
are
able
to
continue
many
of
those
services
at
a
high
level.
We've
learned
how
to
collaborate
and
and
do
that,
a
couple
of
key
things
I
want
to
hit
on
APD
and
Community
responders
will
continue
to
prioritize
a
proactive
presence
in
the
downtown
area
as
well
as
in
areas
where
data
is
showing
increases
in
crime
and
I.
Think
that's
really
important
that
both
those
agencies
departments,
they
really
are
looking
to
use
a
data-driven
approach
to
maximize
the
resources
they
have.
D
D
What
we're
able
to
do
is
where
we
do
see
areas
such
as
that
that
are
experiencing
increases
in
crime.
The
city
staff
can
continue
to
have
that
proactive,
Public,
Safety
presence,
so
that's
one
piece
of
it,
but
the
other
thing
that
we
can
do
is
also
work
with
our
Community
Partners
In.
This
case,
such
as
Homeward
Bound,
who
are
as
a
result
or
actively
adjusting
their
operating
hours
and
their
service
model
at
the
hay
hope
facility,
they're.
D
Also
discussing
adding
additional
security
measures
at
that
location
and
again,
that
is
part
of
the
community
response
to
increases
in
crime
and
also
part
of
our
response
to
try
to
maintain
that
proactive
presence
where
the
data
tells
us.
We
need
to
be
other
services
in
terms
of
what
the
city's
doing
is
we
want
to.
We
want
to
prioritize
those
lighting
improvements.
We
want
to
continue
to
Monitor
Street
light
outages.
D
We
want
to
create
a
system
to
track
those
make
sure
we're
getting
lighting
like
improved
replaced
added
where
we
can
do
that
at
parking
garage
safety.
That's
another
key
issue
that
came
up.
We've
increased
our
frequency
of
parking
garage
patrols,
we're
installing
new
cameras
in
these
garages
to
improve
safety,
we're
also
in
the
process
of
Contracting,
with
Security
Services,
getting
to
help
make
sure
those
garages
are
a
safe
environment
for
people
next
slide,
please
dressing
homelessness.
D
You
know
we
want
to
implement
the
recommendations
of
the
National
Alliance
in
homeless,
homelessness,
restructure
of
the
leadership
and
governance
around
that
issue
enhance
our
Outreach,
improve
our
encampment
response.
Try
to
increase
shelter
capacity.
All
those
things
are
important
to
try
to
manage
the
homeless
population.
The
unsheltered
population
that
exists
and
Asheville
cleanliness
is
cleanliness
is
huge
for
us.
We
recently
we
have
a
new
phone
call
contracted
service
for
biohazard
cleanups.
We
have
a
contract
where
we
can
respond
to
cleanliness
issues
that
have
a
biohazard
component.
D
D
We
have
a
contracted
service
where
we
continue
to
provide
downtown
cleanliness
Services
through
the
contractor,
such
as
litter,
pickup,
vegetation
control,
pressure
washing,
and
we
also
have
through
that
contract
what
we
call
a
hot
spot
cleanliness
contract
where
we
can
deploy
that
contracted
service
to
kind
of
a
hot
spot
or
an
area
in
need,
as
as
it
comes
up
as
as
an
issue
Parks
details
on
the
call
today,
he's
worked
really
well
with
his
team
to
increase
our
Park
security
coverage
to
seven
days
a
week,
including
evening
coverage
in
the
summer
months
and
then
finally,
to
kind
of
close
a
loop
I
mentioned
earlier.
D
So
that's
a
review
of
the
online
or
the
ongoing
Services
of
the
city's
going
to
continue
kind
of
last
thing,
and
just
as
important
is
what
can
the
community
do
to
help
with
this?
As
we
move
forward
number
one?
Is
you
got
to,
let
us
know,
continue
to
report
issues
and
concerns.
We
do
receive
those
we
pay
attention
and
we
will
respond
help
us
it's
a
community.
It's
a
it's
a
complex
issue
that
requires
a
community
solution,
consider
what
you
can
do
as
a
member
of
the
community.
D
L
Yeah,
the
only
thing
that
I
would
like
to
add
is
my
sincere
gratitude
to
First
the
staff,
but
also
to
the
community
as
a
whole,
but
I'm,
one
of
just
if
I
could
Liberty
just
shout
out
one
individual
Dana
Frankel
was
our
project
manager
for
this
effort
and
will
continue
to
be
engaged,
not
sure
at
what
level
right
now,
but
I
just
wanted
to
enriching
her,
as
well
as
my
assistant
city
managers,
who
played
in
a
role
as
well
din,
Woody
and
working
wood
who
supported
the
effort
as
well.
L
But
again
this
was
an
interdepartmental
effort
and
this
is
how
we
are
going
to
move
forward
with
everything
that
we
do,
because
these
issues
are
so
complex,
there's
holistic
in
nature,
in
terms
of
all
of
the
different
kinds
of
things
that
need
to
be
addressed
when
we
are
dealing
with
Community
issues
so
again
appreciate
the
work
of
the
staff,
but
also
the
community
who
joined
us
and
and
I
think
are
going
to
hang
in
here
with
us
moving
forward
in
terms
of
assuming
their
role
of
being
a
part
of
making
this
a
better
in
Psycho
community.
C
C
A
lot
of
sense
and
I
think
actually
indicates
that
we're
moving
in
the
right
direction,
even
if
it
might
look
like
there
might
be
more
crime,
I
I,
think
it's
just
more
that
we're
we're
involving
ourselves
in
it
to
be
addressing
it
more
directly
and
I.
Think
that's
a
positive
sign,
yeah
I'm
curious.
If
there's
a
you
know,
I
have
one
question:
I
think
that
all
of
the
where
things
are
going
is
really
fantastic.
Of
course
you
know,
you
see
progress,
and
you
say
great
I
want
this
everywhere,
all
the
time
and.
N
C
Also
know
we're
human
and
we're
doing
a
really
good
job
and
there's
only
so
much
advancement.
We
can
do
at
different
times
but
curious
if
some
of
the
stuff
may
be
around
cleanliness
or
other
Support.
Services
would
be
expanded
at
at
any
point
to
other
neighborhoods,
where
we're
seeing
issues
LED,
West,
Asheville
and
Haywood
Road,
so
I
know
just
curious
to
hear
what
that
looks
like
and
then
also
I
know.
It's
been
since
this
spring,
since
we've
had
an
update
on
all
the
hard
work.
C
Apd
is
doing
around
rehiring,
but
I'd
love
to
kind
of
I
know
that
each
season
we
kind
of
go
through
some
more
training
courses
and
so
I'd
love
an
update
in
a
future
meeting
on
where
we
are
on
vacancy
rates
and
how
we're
doing
building
back
because
I
know
that's
been
a
really
focused
effort,
and
so
just
that
piece
of
the
puzzle
would
help
us
understand
too.
C
L
A
C
B
N
Wow
hi
I
called
enraged,
and
after
listening
to
this
meeting,
I
mean
that
was
just
a
night
and
day
experience
compared
to
the
last
time
I
bothered
to
tune
in.
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
supporting
our
APD.
Thank
you.
Apd
I've
noticed
you
all
patrolling
more
and
I'm,
seeing
those
blue
lights,
you
know
making
your
presence
known.
I
really
appreciate
that
so
I'm
feeling
really
encouraged
after
listening
to
this
meeting.
But
the
reason
why
I
called
is
we're
having
a
lot
of
issues
over
here
in
West
Asheville.
N
We
had
so.
My
house
is
kind
of
like
way
off
the
main
road
and
we're
surrounded
by
woods
and
I
was
sitting
out
on
my
swing
at
11
o'clock
Sunday
night
and
had
a
man
sneak
up
on
me.
It
was
beyond
scary.
We've
already
had
issues
with
vagrants
in
the
woods
and
people
throwing
trash
and
using
our
property
to
cross
over.
We
actually
have
an
entire
Camp
building.
Next
to
us
all
these
issues
and
I
didn't
feel
compelled
to
report
it.
You
know
we're
just
dealing
with
it.
N
I
mean
when
that
man
snuck
up
on
me,
I
just
basically
chased
them
off
my
property.
With
my
pistol
last
night,
I
talk
to
my
new
neighbor
that
just
moved
in
she's
talking
about
these
vagrants
coming
up
here,
you
know
filling
her
water
from
her
water
hose
knocking
on
her
door
too
I
mean
she's.
She
just
moved
here,
she's
already
afraid
she
didn't
feel
comfortable
being
armed.
So
I
gave
her
my
phone
number
and
told
her
all
me.
N
You
know
if
she
feels
threatened
again,
so
I've
just
got
to
be
a
good
neighbor
here,
because
you
know
we
haven't
felt
empowered
to
even
bother
reporting
I
mean
our
police
are
so
low
in
forced
the
rhetoric
against
them
is
just
appalling.
You
know
so
wow
after
hearing
this
meeting.
Thank
you.
I,
just
I
can't
applaud
enough.
Let's
I
really
support
expanding
our
high
traffic
areas.
That's
a
great
idea.
It's
a
good
place
to
start
really.
N
It's
a
good
starting
point
sounds
like
we're
in
the
on
the
right
track,
but
yeah
I
mean
we've.
We've
got
problems
here
and
the
last
time
I
bothered
to
call
in
was
when
Roni
was
still
on
there,
and
it
was
just
a
joke.
It
was
just
a
joke,
so
whoever
is
responsible
for
her
not
being
involved.
First
of
all
and
just
the
general
rhetoric
and
conversation
and
the
way
that
it's
turning
just
I
applaud.
You
I'm
feeling
much
more
encouraged
to
report.
It
sounds
like
you
know
they.
They
need
us
to
really.
N
So,
if
I'm
not
reporting,
if
my
neighbor's
not
reporting,
who
else
isn't
how
much
worse
is
the
crime?
Really
we
were
talking
about
building
fences
we
just
can't
afford
it.
It'd
be
nice,
you
know
to
have
a
big
fence
around
our
properties,
but
I
mean
we
don't
have
the
money
for
that.
You
know
it's
ridiculous.
That
I
was
literally
missing
males
to
pay
my
tax
bill
this
year
and
I'm
dealing
with
these
problems
in
this
city,
but
anyway,
regardless.
N
Thank
you.
It
sounds
like
we're
on
the
right
track.
Thank
you.
Apd
y'all
have
a
great
day.
Thank
you.
So
much
bye.
O
Oh
great,
yes,
thank
you.
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
just
give
feedback
on
the
meeting
and
I
ran
the
solicitation
at
conversation.
I
just
wanted
to
put
my
voice
out
there,
as
somebody
who
enjoyed
that
interacting
with
all
members
of
our
community
and
I
actually
have
developed
and
enjoyed
Rich
conversations
with
folks
who
are
maybe
soliciting,
and
you
know
if
we
force
these
people
off
of
our.
You
know,
sidewalks
and
you
know,
go
from
six
feet
to
10
feet,
we're
just
forcing
these
people
further
into
invisibility.
O
You
know
they're
already
forced
into
the
in-between
spaces
in
our
community
and
the
fact
that
we
have
so
many
people
who
need
this
kind
of
help
in
our
community
I
think
it's
important
that
we
don't
make
them
invisible.
I!
Think
it's
okay
for
people
to
ask
for
money
and
for
somebody
to
say
yes
or
no
based
on
whether
they
can
whether
they're,
okay,
giving
it
I
think
that
putting
these
people
into
visibility
is
going
to
further
harm
them
and
will
further
harm
all
members
of
our
community.
It's
a
reminder.
O
We
have
a
lot
of
wealthy
members
of
the
community
and
we
have
a
lot
of
resources
and
we
can
be
putting
more
resources
into
supporting
that
are
on
house
populations
and
those
in
need
and
there's
some
other
great
things
like
the
d-love
street
pantries
out
there,
which
is
another
way
for
people
to
directly
give
to
our
needy
populations
without,
if
they're,
not
feeling
comfortable
interacting
with
someone,
you
can
just
put
something
into
one
of
the
many
beloved
Street
pantries
out.
There
also
just
wanted
to
also
talk
about
the
downtown
safety
initiative.
O
Briefly,
it
just
feels,
like
you
know,
adding
police
adding
people
with
lethal
force
in
our
community
is
not
not
going
to
solve
any
of
the
core
problems
and
anytime.
There
is
somebody
with
a
gun
and
an
adversarial
interaction.
Something
go
wrong
and
people
can
get
hurt.
So
you
know
it's.
It
doesn't
really
feel
like
that's
going
in
the
right
direction.
I
know
there
are
people
without
guns
who
are
being
included
in
the
downtown
safety
initiative.
Such
as
firefighters
but
firefighters
are
are
not
trained
at
their
core
to
be
doing.
O
This
work,
they're,
training
to
fight
fires,
and
it
feels
like
we
need
more
people
who
are
trained
in
mental
health
and
helping
people
with
substance
issues
and
doing
the
work
that
allows
people
to
connect
to
resources.
You
know
highly
trained
professionals
without
guns,
downtown
and
other
areas
that
need
it
to
help
folks.
So
that's
my
two
cents
and
thank
you.
H
H
This
new
solicitation
ordinance
is
really
concerning
to
me,
because
I
think
we
can
see
that
folks
in
our
community
are
really
suffering,
and
if
we
want
to
create
true
safety
in
our
community,
we
would
take
care
of
those
folks.
We
wouldn't
make
it
even
harder
to
survive
we're
already,
making
it
really
difficult
to
survive
by
making
it
basically
illegal
for
people
to
have
any
place
where
they're
allowed
to
exist
in
our
community,
and
that's
just
on
a
personal
level.
H
It
really
is
disheartening
to
see
that,
but
so
many
people
you
know,
can
see
this
kind
of
suffering
and
and
say
that
that
doing
violence
onto
these
people
by
by
criminalizing
them
by
incarcerating
them
is
a
solution
because
it
really
just
it
isn't
taking
care
of
people.
It's
a
solution
on
this
agenda.
We
see
even
more
money
going
the
police,
we
see
police
claiming
that
crime
is
up
because
they
are
doing
these
wild
crackdowns.
H
I
just
saw
that
then
dropped
the
other
day
when
I
went
to
go,
get
ice
cream
and
everyone
was
talking
about
and
afterwards
they
are
every
time
I
go
out
in
my
community
I'm.
Seeing
cops
harassing
other
people
in
our
community
in
a
kind
of
people
are
in
in
deep
need
and
the
solicitation
ordinance
is
I'm
assuming
you're,
bringing
it
back
up
again
because
you're
going
to
include
this.
As
part
of
you
know
the
further
Crackdown
on
on
low
level.
H
People
in
our
community-
and
you
know
I-
know
I,
know
just
based
on
the
conversations
that
I
was
hearing
outside
of
me
getting
ice
cream.
But
there
are
so
many
people
in
our
community
who
don't
either
as
a
way
to
make
us
safer
that
it.
It
isn't.
H
Working
and
police
have
falsely
inflating
these
crime
members
by
their
very
presence
and
then
they're
trying
to
justify
their
existence
through
that
they
seem
to
keep
getting
more
and
more
fun
from
you
all,
and
we
all
know
the
state
of
you
know
of
people
in
our
community
who
are
who
are
really
really
struggling,
and
it
seems,
but
also
just
like
the
rhetoric
or
that's
so
dehumanizing
around
these
people
is
really
concerning
to
me,
because
I
think
that
many
of
us
are
a
lot
closer
to
finding
ourselves
in
a
similar
position,
as
I've
had
conversations
with
people
about
how
one
injury
you
know
one
one
medical
bill,
one
car
breakdown.
C
You
know
we
have
a
limit
to
three
minutes
for
input.
Hence
it's
ending
at
that
time,
but
Grace.
If
you
wanted
to
share
any
further
comments
in
writing.
Please
do.
Are
there
any
other
callers,
Allison,
no.
C
C
Fantastic
all
right,
well,
heavy
conversations
as
public
comments
brought
up
a
lot
of
feelings
and
a
lot
of
Reflections
I
really
really
appreciate
people
being
part
of
this
conversation
with
us.
I
think
there's
a
lot
more
conversation
to
be
had
about
several
of
the
topics
we
had
today.
So
I
look
forward
to
all
of
us
as
a
community
moving
in
that
direction
to
discuss
and
work
this
through
to
be
safer
and
healthier
for
everybody
with
that,
I
will
see
everybody
later
at
city
council
tonight
take
care.
Thank
you.