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B
First,
hello
and
welcome
everybody
looks
like
we
have
a
pretty
big
crew
here,
I'll
note
that
we
did
have
about
55
people
signed
up
to
participate,
so
awesome
numbers.
I
do
want
to
note.
We
are
live
streaming
this
and
it
should
be
going
to
our
youtube
channel
as
well
as
the
public
input
page,
which
is
the
project
page
also
we
are
recording,
we
will
be
recording
and
that
video
will
also
be
posted.
B
But
I
think
we're
okay
to
get
started
so
again,
hello
and
welcome.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here.
This
is
the
kickoff
meeting
for
the
restructure
working
group
on
our
boards
and
commissions.
B
B
We
can
define
the
scope
of
what
the
things
that
we'll
be
working
on
and
then
also,
we
hope
to
define
some
next
steps.
How
do
we
move
forward
from
here
after
this
first
meeting,
but
I
see
that
we
still
have
more
people
jumping
in
so
I
might
just
stall
another
30
seconds
because
the
next
piece
we
will
start
with
some
introductions
and
because
this
crew
is
so
it's
so
large,
we
are
going
to
do
breakout
sessions
for
that
part.
B
So
that
will
look
like
probably
four
to
five
rooms
with
six
to
seven
people,
and
we
have
ten
minutes
allowed
it
for
this.
So
it
would
look
about
just
about
a
minute
for
each
participant
in
that
working
group
and
then
shortly
after
that
ten
minutes,
you
will
automatically
be
pulled
back
into
this
main
room.
B
So
so,
we'll
give
all
right,
I
think
we're
looking
good
okay
before
we
break
onto
that.
I
do
want
to
introduce
aisha
adams,
who
will
be
our
facilitator
for
these
moving
forward,
and
they
should
you
want
to
say
anything
or
about
like
an
icebreaker,
or
I
do.
C
Hi
everybody-
I
am
so
excited
to
be
in
community
with
you
today
to
have
this
very
important
conversation
to
get
your
input
so
that
we
can
get
it
to
the
city,
so
they
can
get
it
to
city
council
and
we
are
excited
to
be
here.
We
are
going
to
start
with
breakout
rooms
and
I'm
so
excited
that
so
many
of
you
joined
us.
So,
as
sarah
said,
we're
gonna
break
out
into
groups,
and
here
is
my
fun
question
for
you.
C
B
Perfect,
I
am
working
on
that
on
the
tech
side,
it's
taking
a
minute
to
think,
but
so,
if
we'll
just
give
it
a
minute
and
then
you'll
just
be
pulled
into
this
breakout
room
again,
we
have
10
minutes.
If
you
can
share
your
idea
of
what
you
need
to
add
to
the
time,
capsule
introduce
yourself,
it
may
be
why
we're
here
and
then
we'll
be
pulled
back
into
this
main
room
again
one
second,
please.
B
I
am
so
sorry
for
that.
I
am
sarah
gross,
I
am
the
deputy
city
clerk
and
it
has
been
kind
of
helping
to
project
manage
this,
considering
this
restructure
for
boards
and
commissions.
So
again,
my
name
is
sarah
and
I
apologize
for
not
introducing
myself.
C
I
am
aisha,
adams
and
I
will
be
facilitating
the
meeting
and
our
breakout
question
or
our
breakout
room
discussion
is
introduce
yourself
tell
a
little
bit
about
yourself
and
if
we
were
working
together
to
put
together
a
time
capsule
to
represent
asheville
a
hundred
years
from
now.
What
would
you
put
in
the
time
capsule.
C
C
C
B
All
right
team
it
looks
like
this
is
our
breakout
room
and
it
looks
like,
as
people
are
joining
they're
gonna
be
in
our
main
room,
breakout
session.
So
aisha,
if
you
don't
mind
stating
the
question
again,
I
think
we
have
some
new
people
in
this
breakout
room.
C
Well,
hi
everybody,
I'm
aisha
adams
and
I
am
a
facilitator
and
a
dei
consultant
now
on
the
firm
equity
over
everything
and
our
breakout
room
question
is
if
we
were
well
of
course,
introduce
yourself
like
I
did
tell
what
you
do
like.
I
did
and
then
say
if
we
were
putting
together
a
time
capsule
to
teach
someone
or
show
someone
asheville
to
share
things
about
asheville
a
hundred
years
ago.
C
What
would
you
put
in
a
time
capsule?
What
would
your
item
be,
and
I
think
my
item
would
probably
be.
C
A
rhododendron
like
a
dry
rotted
dandrum
because
I
didn't
know
what
they
were
when
I
moved
here,
but
everybody
seems
to
love
them
and
it's
like
people
really
talk
about
them
and
really
pay
attention
to
them
and
that's
kind
of
new
for
me,
and
so
I've
started
to
pay
attention
to
the
rhododendron.
So
maybe
I
would
like
drive,
freeze
or
run
a
denture.
B
Well
I'll
go
ahead
and
go
next.
I
think
I'm
very
aligned
with
you,
aisha,
as
far
as
being
here
in
asheville
and
what
I
would
let
me
back
up
and
say:
hi,
I'm
sarah,
I'm
the
deputy
city
clerk
and
again
what
I
would
print
my
time.
Capsule
would
be
very
similar.
B
What
I
love
about
asheville
is
the
unique
natural
beauty
so
the
mountains.
So
I
was
thinking,
maybe
just
a
portrait
or
a
painting
that
encaptured
what
we're
surrounded
by,
which
is
these
mountains.
So
that's
for
me
and
I
will
popcorn
to
dawah,
see
you
there.
F
Well,
hello,
everybody!
It's
great
to
see
you
all!
My
name
is
dalla
hitch
and
I
have
the
pleasure
of
serving
as
the
communication
and
public
engagement
director
for
the
city
of
asheville
and
I'm
thrilled
that
you
all
are
participating
today
as
far
so
so
who
am
I
I'm
a
I'm
a
mom
of
a
teenager,
I'm
a
daughter!
F
This
is
what
I
do
for
work
and
I'm
also
a
proud
member
of
the
lumbee
tribe
of
north
carolina
and
that's
related
to
the
item
that
I
would
put
in
the
capsule.
I
would
put
an
arrowhead
in
that
capsule
to
represent
just
how
long
there
have
been
people
living
and
making
a
life
from
this
land
in
this
area.
F
I'm
supposed
to
pick
somebody
I
am
going
to
pick
melissa
weston.
C
Maybe,
let's
let
melissa
go
and
let's
try.
H
Gwen,
well,
you
know
I
had
to
start
that's
just
the
way
it
works.
I'm
glenn
whistler,
I'm
on
city
council
and
I
don't
plan
to
participate
other
than
this.
I
just
want
to
watch.
H
I
would
put
a
picture
of
the
stones
of
the
dance
monument
broken
up
and
not
put
together,
because
I
think
that
that
says
a
lot
about
our
community
and
our
intention
at
this
time,
and
I
think
you
know
100
years
from
now.
It
would
be
something
I'd
want
people
to
be
proud
of
the
community
for
and
and
now.
I
Okay,
I
was
having
some
audio
problems:
I'm
christiana
glen
tugman,
I'm
a
compliance
and
planning
specialist
with
the
northwest
continuum
of
care
and
fortis
consulting.
I
I
I
think
that
yeah,
possibly
the
rhododendron,
is
what
I
would
use.
J
J
I
would
put
the
draft
of
the
gap
plan
in
and
hopefully
we'll
all
laugh
at
how
far
we've
come
in
transportation
in
50
years,
so
moving
on
I'll,
take
it
to
brian
and
nothing
hi.
Brian.
K
C
L
That's
actually
our
technology
input
line
so.
L
Yeah
I
was
going
to
try
to
hide
from
this
one
too.
My
name
is
beth
beekel.
I
am
a
communications
specialist
for
the
city
of
asheville
and
I'm
a
big
sports
fan.
So
I
was
thinking
maybe
a
pendant
of
the
tourists.
I
love
going
and
watching
their
games
and
I
think
that's
a
great
attraction
for
the
city
of
asheville
awesome.
C
Everybody
that
was
available
yes
and
the
breakout
room
ends
in
about
a
minute,
so
we've
all
had
a
chance
to
share.
I
chose
this
icebreaker
because
it
reminds
us
that
we
are
all
here
together
in
place
together
and
that
we
are
all
building
towards
asheville's
future
together,
what
we
see
and
know,
and
then
the
unknown
as
well.
So
hopefully
you
had
fun
thinking
about
what
you
would
leave
to
generations
in
the
future.
C
Why
we're
up
to
45
people
in
the
room?
So
congratulations
to
us
for
building
community
today
around
such
an
important
conversation,
if
you
had
an
opportunity
to
participate
in
the
breakout
room.
The
reason
why
stereo
nitrous
activity
is
because
we
really
wanted
you
to
be
grounded
in
the
fact
that
we
are
all
in
the
same
asheville
and
though
there
are
like
many
diverse
parts
of
asheville,
that
we
are
all
working
to
make
the
same
place
great
and
that
we
all
have
this
eye
for
the
future
together.
C
So,
hopefully,
you
have
fun
sort
of
thinking
about
what
you
will
leave
for
future
generations
as
we
get
into
this
work
that
we
have
planned
today.
I
on
our
agenda.
Our
next
step
is
to
review
of
the
current
proposal,
and
that
will
be
done
by
sarah.
B
Wonderful,
thank
you.
We're
going
to
pull
up
that
presentation
and
for
those
of
you
who
attended
some
of
the
workshop,
I
promise
this
will
be
a
lot
shorter,
we're
going
to
be
talking
big
picture
overview
and
about
why
we're
here
today.
This
next
slide.
B
All
right
just
an
overview
of
this
quick
presentation
again
starting
out
with
why
we're
here,
boards
and
commissions
in
general,
and
then
talking
about
just
an
overview
of
the
proposed
restructure,
the
alignment
of
resources
and
the
community
input,
which,
of
course,
this
working
group
will
be
a
big
piece
of
that
some
key
takeaways.
B
I
do
hope
that
the
biggest
takeaway
you
get
from
this
and
our
future
conversations
in
this
working
group
is
how
important
boards
and
commissions
are.
We
know
that
they're
invaluable
to
community
input
and
they
are
a
real
resource
and
venue
to
to
hear
from
our
community,
but
also
get
that
community
expertise,
we're
here
to
look
at
ways
that
it
can
be
improved.
I
think
we've
heard
across
the
board
that
there
is
room
for
improvement.
So
what?
What
does
that
look
like?
B
So
backing
up
just
big
picture,
our
local
government
structure
and
some
of
those
key
components,
as
I'm
sure
many
of
you
know
that
we
operate
in
a
representative
democracy,
meaning
that
we
as
community
members,
get
to
elect
our
officials
that
represent
us
on
this
local
level.
It
is
our
city
council,
the
seven
women
that
we
voted
in
to
represent
us
by
voting
on
important
policy
decisions.
B
B
So
a
little
bit
deeper
dive
into
our
boards
and
commissions
again
a
important
element
to
this
decision-making
process
for
our
city
council.
Looking
at
our
system,
one
of
some
of
our
first
boards
and
commissions
that
are
currently
standing
date
back
to
the
1960s.
B
So
I
do
want
to
note
that
we've
never
to
my
knowledge,
done
a
real
assessment
and
looked
at
how
things
have
evolved
since
that
time,
we've
done
surveys
and
such,
but
we
haven't
really
looked
at
the
full.
The
full
picture
we
do
know
there's
some
some
really
great
parts
that
are
working.
We
have
really.
B
We
have
a
lot
of
boards
with
a
lot
of
expertise
and
make
really
great
recommendations,
and
we
hear
from
the
community
great
relationships
with
staff.
So
how
do
we
carry
those
those
things
that
are
working
really
well
to
our
full
system?
Again
talking
about
all
of
our
20
advisory
boards
and
how
we
it
works
within
city
operations,
but
backing
up
to
say
that,
of
course,
these
boards
and
commissions
are
appointed
by
city
council,
which
does
make
them
public
bodies.
B
These
are
all
good
things.
We
know.
Transparency
and
accessibility
are
incredibly
important
to
the
decision
making
problem
process,
but
we
are
seeing
some
operational
issues
and
that's
what
we
kind
of
want
to
talk
about.
How
do
we
is
there
a
system?
Is
there
a
structure
that
we
can
make
all
of
these
parts
more
effective?
B
We
need
to
hear
your
ideas
about
these
hard
problems
and
help
us
to
understand
what
what
does
what
could
work
for
us
so,
but
I
also
want
to
be
clear
and
note
here
that
staff
will
be
making
a
recommendation
to
city
council.
This
is,
of
course,
a
city
council
decision,
but
what
that
recommendation
is
we
don't
know
right
now
we
have
a
long
way
to
go.
B
We
hope
that
the
proposal-
that's
on
the
table,
that
some
of
you
have
seen
and
that's
posted
online,
is
a
building
part
that
we
can
build
on
with
a
lot
of
these
discussions
that
we'll
have
in
this
working
group,
so
yeah
moving
on
okay
goals
of
a
new
system.
Here
are
some
some
very
lofty
goals
we
know,
but
when
you
think
about
what
a
what
an
ideal
system
could
like,
we
thought
of
these
things,
but
if
you
see
something
that
might
be
missing,
please
go
ahead.
B
Add
that
to
the
chat
again,
these
are
some
long-term
goals
and
hopefully
metrics
that
we
can
use
to
one
day
in
the
future
10
10
years
or
more
really
look
back
and
say:
yes,
we've
improved
on
some
of
these
things.
What
that
looks
like
I'm,
not
sure
yet,
but
we
do
need
to
have
a
goals
and
a
place
to
start.
B
Okay,
I
I
think
our
internet's
slow
over
on
this
side,
so
it
might
look
a
little
different.
So
again,
here's
a
very
high
level
of
what
or
how
I
see
the
current
system
and
that
these
various
boards
and
commissions
have
been
created
over
the
past
couple
decades,
independent
for
different
reasons.
At
that
time,
some
are
connected.
Some
are
not,
and
it
has
really
kind
of
created
that
what
feels
like
can
be
a
siloed
and,
in
some
ways
an
exclusive
process.
B
B
Sorry
about
that
y'all
again,
this
is
to
and
better
incorporate
some
community
info
at
this
level.
In
this,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
backing
up
a
little
bit,
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
short
term
goals-
that's
just
the
next
one,
so
I
I
did
touch
on
some
of
those
long
term
goals,
but
short
term.
We
really
think
that
we
can
start
in
this
to
start
to
do
some
of
these
things
make
our
system
and
again
this
will
be
some
of
the
conversations
we're
having
here.
B
As
we
have
heard
in
seats,
sometimes
it
is
that
community
that
we're
not
hearing
from
all
of
our
community
members
on
various
topics
and
then
we're
not
bringing
them
to
the
table.
So
how
do
we
make
boards
and
commissions
more
inviting
by
reaching
out
rather
than
out
then
asking
our
neighbors
to
reach
into
the
system?
How
do
we
let
them
know
what
discussions
are
going
on?
We
think
a
tool
for
that
could
be
the
connector
input
input
connector,
you
may
have
heard
me,
say,
engagement
stakeholder
database.
B
B
So
myself
and
jerry
who's
also
present
today
really
help
out
and
do
more
of
the
administrative
support
to
boards
and
commissions,
meaning
the
posting
of
information,
and
that
could
really
help
us
to
ensure
that
we're
that
these
meetings
are
transparent
and
meeting
all
those
open
meetings,
law
right
now
and
I'll,
say
it's
because
of
the
decentralized
approach
that
we
are
in.
B
We
aren't
always
consistent
there,
so
we,
we
hope
to
centralize
that
piece
of
it
to
ensure
that
these
agendas
and
the
meetings
are
very
transparent
and
people
know
when
and
where
to
find
this
information.
Another
aspect
with
the
better
staff
support.
I
think
we
could
really
be
able
to
provide
that
more
cross-departmental
staff
support.
B
B
We
know
how
important
how
impactful
it
is
to
have
a
facilitator
and
facilitator
in
the
room
to
help
the
board
stay
within
their
scope
and
accomplish
their
goals.
So
those
are
just
some
of
the
short-term
goals
that
we
do
hope
to
accomplish
with
some
sort
of
restructure.
B
And
I'm
I
just
got
two
more
slides
here
and
then
I
see
a
hand
up,
or
I
heard
a
hand
up
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
hands.
B
So
again,
I'm
not
gonna.
Do
we're
not
doing
the
deep
dive
into
what
the
proposal
is
because
again
we're
taking
that
step
back
to
think
what
it
could
be.
But
what
you
have
heard
we
are
looking
at
a
holistic
systems
approach
and
again
to
be
very
intentional
and
strategic
about
how
we
utilize
our
city
resources.
B
I
also
want
to
emphasize
that
the
work
being
done
by
boards
and
commissions
is
not
going
away.
We
just
hope
to
align
the
work
to
to
really
be
able
to
harness
our
community
expertise
and
create
the
workflow
to
better
able
help
us
to
collaborate
to
cultivate
and
prioritize
some
real
solutions
to
what
we
know
are
real
community
issues.
B
So
as
we
move
forward,
I
challenge
that
this
group-
I
know
a
lot
of
you-
have
served
or
do
serve
on
a
certain
border
commission,
but
I
challenge
you
to
think
about
our
our
full
system
and
truly
as
a
system
and
how
we're
all
how
it's
all
connected
with
the
city
council,
with
the
staff
and
with
the
various
boards
and
commissions.
How
do
we
bring
it
all
together,
so
yeah
again
a
system
and
then?
B
Lastly,
I
do
want
to
note
that
there
will
be
a
city
council
work
session
next
tuesday
on
may
10th.
This
was
at
the
request
of
the
council
retreat,
which
was
held
in
march.
So
the
the
key
part
of
this
work
session
on
the
10th
is
to
there
there
will
be
two
parts.
The
first
is
to
get
discussion
and
feedback
from
the
council
on
the
pro
proposed
realignment
of
council
committees,
so
not
boards
and
commissions.
B
B
It's
worth
noting
here
that
the
proposed
council
committees
have
already
changed.
This
is,
is
now
to
incorporate.
So
what
you
see
here
also
incorporates
council's
vision
in
addition
to
the
comprehensive
plan.
I
think
this
is
an
example
of
how
this
project
has
already
and
will
continue
to
evolve,
as
we
have
more
of
these
conversations.
B
Okay,
so
I
think
that's
it
just
for
the
just
to
get
us
started
broad
overview.
I
know
that
we
have
a
lot
of
really
good
conversations
to
have.
I
do
really
hope
that
we
can
make
this
a
collaborative
environment,
and
we
do
need
to
hear
your
ideas
so
with
that,
I
think
I'm
going
to
I'm
gonna.
C
Yeah,
let's
start
with
addressing
some
of
the
questions
that
we
have
some
of
the
hands,
because
you
answer
this
question
first,
I
just
wanted
to
go
back
to
it
and
make
sure
that
that
was
the
answer.
This
came
from
patrick
I'm
confused
by
the
timeline
for
a
recommendation
from
staff
regarding
feedback
from
this
working
group.
For
example,
why
are
staff
presenting
to
council
next
week
proposing
a
pilot
program
for
assistant
system
that
has
not
been
fully
figured
out.
B
Yeah
great
question-
and
I
I
understand
the
confusion,
so
I
will
say
that's
because
this
has
and
will
be
a
moving
target
there.
We
do
know
that
staff
will
make
a
recommendation
to
city
council
when
that
will
be.
I
do
not
know,
because
we
are
hearing
from
you,
we
have.
We
have
to
step
back,
we
need
there
will
be
some
edits
and
there's
no
proposed
proposed
date
for
when
the
pilot
could
start.
B
We
do
think
that
the
pilot
would
be
an
important
piece,
so
we
can
see
and
feel
what
this
could
look
like,
but
we
know
we're
not
ready
to
to
launch
that.
We
would
first,
of
course,
need
council
to
weigh
in
and
then
we
would
need
to
develop
what
that
even
looks
like.
So
I
I
think
that's
a
little
bit
out
these.
These
conversations
will
really
help
guide
what
that
timeline
looks
like
I
know
I,
it
has
been
confusing
because
you
know
we,
you
know
from
a
project
management
standpoint
at
the
beginning.
B
You
want
to
have
milestone
dates,
but
but
there
they
have
to
be
nimble,
because
we
know
that
this
is
a
big
project.
This
is
important
to
so
many
stakeholders,
including
everyone
here,
our
council
and
staff
members,
and
so
we
really
do
believe
it's
important
to
get
this
right.
So
again,
there's
not
a
specific
timeline
for
that.
B
For
that
reason-
and
I
understand
that
that
has
been
confusing-
and
we
hope
to
be
more
transparent
in
certain
dates,
but
please
be,
can
help
us
and
the
way
that
we
know
that
that's
going
to
be
some
move-in
targets.
C
Do
we
have
measures
for
goals
is
accountability
and
that
came
from
tal
and
then
we,
the
next
question,
is
from
karen.
Is
there
accountability
once
recommendations
are
made
timelines
and
budgets.
B
B
So
a
lot
of
those
questions.
We
really
need
your
feedback
ideas.
So
yes,
please,
please
keep
bringing
the
ideas.
C
Why
was
there
no
comprehensive
survey
or
current
boards
and
commission
members
assessing
their
concerns,
gathering
their
suggestions
and
recommendations?
That
seems
like
the
best
way
to
start.
B
Fair,
so
I
will
but
I'll
also
add
on
the
operational
side.
We
do
know
that
we
had
to
address
some
challenges.
So
that's
why
we
did,
and
I
will
say
a
lot
of
you
know.
Conversations
and
feedback
throughout
the
years
have
gone
into
this.
I
don't
think
I
think
most
people
here
can
agree
that
there
there's
been
some
challenges,
boards
and
commissions.
So
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
the
proposal
or
the
thought
of
restructuring
is,
is
so
new.
B
But,
yes,
we
did
formulate
a
a
proposal
and-
and
yes
maybe
we're
taking
a
step
back
and
thinking
about
how?
How
can
we
do
better
to
get
the
community
input
here?.
C
Thank
you.
So
we
have
three
hands
up.
I'm
going
to
ask
that
you
I'll
call
on
you,
but
I'm
gonna.
Ask
that
you
keep
your
question
under
a
minute
because
we
definitely
want
to
get
to
the
scope
of
our
work
today,
and
we
definitely
want
to
make
sure
that
your
concerns
get
to
staff
so
that
they
can
get
to
the
city
council
so
that
we
can
do
what
we
came
to
do.
So
I
don't
know
whose
hands
was
up
first,
so
I'm
just
going
to
start
with
david
and
then
move
to
cecil.
N
Thanks:
ayesha,
hey
sarah.
Am
I
right
in
remembering
that
one
of
the
goals
of
this
working
group
was
to
serve
as
a
model
for
how
the
working
groups
might
work
in
this
new
plan,
because
that
was
one
of
the
big
question
marks
of
this
really
important
factor
of
these
working
groups?
Do
you
imagine
that
the
working
groups
that
in
your
plan
would
support
the
new
boards
and
commissions
would
be
big
like
this
and
would
function
like
this
way?
Is
this
a
model?
Is
this
what
we
could
expect
from
future
working
groups.
B
Thank
you
for
asking
that.
Is
it
a
model,
let's
find
out.
I
think
we're
going
to
learn
a
lot
about
this.
I
may
not
be
the
first
to
tell
you
this
is
experimental
in
ways.
So,
let's
and
through
some
of
our
discussions,
maybe
we'll
find
out
how
is
this
too
many
people
or
or
how
dupe,
but
but
knowing
that
one
of
our
goals
is
to
be
more
inclusive
and
ask
more
people,
so
we
so
yes
again
we
this.
I
don't
know
that
this
is
a
model.
C
So
there
are
some
concerns
here
in
the
chat
that
I'm
going
to
move
to
address
directly
to
the
city,
because
we
just
don't
have
the
time
for
the
conversation.
C
O
Okay,
I've
got
to.
I
O
O
This
is
a
total
effort
to
eliminate
the
the
human,
the
I
don't
know
the
the
the
people's
input
into
our
governance.
I,
I
can't
believe
it's
gone
this
far.
I
hope
it
is
canceled
totally.
C
Cecil,
can
I
ask
you
a
question
yeah,
so
so
I'm
a
facilitator,
I
I
don't
work
for
the
city
and
my
heart
is
with
the
community.
So
I
just
have
a
very
frank
question.
This
is
a
I
should
question.
It
is
not
a
city
of
astral
question.
I
would
ask
that
you
would
come
on
this
journey
with
us
as
we
continue
to
have
these
meetings
so
that
you
can
continue
to
show
us
where
the
opportunities
to
have
input
from
community
is
and
where
it
is
not.
C
O
We
have
20
plus
boards
and
commissions
right
now,
people,
I
think
almost
200
people
in
the
community
help
input
to
ideas
and-
and
this
plan
that
is
being
advanced,
would
completely
constrict.
That.
C
Right,
but
what
I
need
your
help
with
today
is
following
the
skull
like
what
you're
saying
is
important
to
me
as
a
citizen,
but
the
way
that
they
tell
me
they're
going
to
do
the
work
is,
is
that
we
complete
the
scope
and
that's
in
the
scope.
So
we
got
to
get
away
from
the
questions
and
get
to
the
scope
so
that
you
can
make
those
recommendations
so
that
it's
written
that
we
can
turn
that
recommendation
in.
C
So
we
want
to
keep
these
questions
like
if
it's
something
that
you
have
to
say,
let's
say
it,
but
if
it's
something
that
you
want
city
council
to
see,
let's
put
it
in
the
notes,
let's
put
it
in
the
recommendations,
let's
get
this
recommended
out,
but
we
can't
just
have
a
session
of
people
voicing
like
how
they
feel,
because
I
think
that
already
happened
right.
So
I'm
just
now,
I'm
just
asking
you
actually.
No,
it
did
not.
C
C
I
C
O
Committed
to
to
ending
citizen
engagement.
C
P
Okay,
I
guess
I'm
next
so
my
question
is:
I'm
not
sure
what
is
driving
this
initiative,
because
there's
really
never
been
a
full
assessment
of
how
our
20
plus
boards
are
functioning
and
where
the
problems
are
which
boards
are
working
well,
but
that
has
not
been
done
yet
and
yet
the
city
has
put
forth
this
plan
on
reduction
and
related
to
that
question
is
I
participated
in
several
of
the
earlier
workshops
that
the
city
had
and
when
I
was
looking
at
the
original
proposal
of
the
city,
which
called
for
a
great
reduction
down
to
four?
P
I
know
that's
changed.
My
question
is
what
was
that
based
on
I've?
Looked
at
five
other
cities
that
I've
talked
to
sarah
gross
about
this
during
one
of
these
planning
sessions
and
none
of
those
major
cities
that
have
well
over
30
boards,
one
had
40
actually
have
ever
gone
through
any
kind
of
reduction
like
this.
They
have
not
changed
their
structure,
so
this
is
probably
asheville
has
one
of
the
best
systems
of
community
governance
with
its
boards
and
commissions,
and
I
would
hope
that
would
continue
going
forward.
C
C
C
B
Can
I
I'll
chime
in
there
internally
we
have
done
an
assess
assessment.
No,
it's
not
on
a
formal
report.
We
can
work
on
making
that
more
of
a
formal
report,
but
I
will
say
that
we
looked
at
the
agendas
of
of
committees
and
the
recommendations
and
the
vacancies
and
the
resignations
the
numbers
part
and
then
also
informal
conversations
with
past
board
members
as
well
as
staff
and
again
operationally.
B
C
C
I
think
that's
the
bigger
picture,
so
we
could
go
back
to.
I
think
it
was
nina.
Then
at
least
then
stephen
or
I
don't
even
know,
y'all
y'all
send
me
so
many
hands.
So
if
I
decide
if
I
meet
you,
it's
not
I'm.
G
There
may
be
some
degree
of
streamlining
that
would
be
helpful
in
that
case,
but
I
really
believe
that,
without
the
input
from
the
people
who
have
been
participating
without
a
thorough
discussion
with
them
and
interviews
of
them,
we're
not
going
to
end
up
with
something
better
we're
going
to
end
up
with
something
much
less
effective
and
the
notion
that
we
can
funnel
everything
through
four
or
now.
Maybe
five
committees
to
city
council
also
seems
deeply
misguided
to
me.
C
G
C
So
much
going
on
that
it's
hard
to,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
your
recommendation.
G
So
I
think
that
if
there
is
going
to
be
a
restructuring,
it
should
be
in
line
with
the
concerns
coming
out
of
the
people
who
have
already
been
involved
and
if
one
of
the
main
concerns
is
a
lack
of
city
staff
or
clarity
of
communication
between
city
staff
and
those
boards.
Perhaps
a
useful
way
to
do.
That
is
to
make
sure
that
there's
an
alignment
between
boards
and
commissions
as
the
functional
departments
of
city
government.
C
Right
so
there
are
several
recommendations
in
there
and
I
hope
you
got
them
down
sarah,
so
elise,
tiffany
stephen.
D
Tiffany
here
my
question
is
just
coming
from
the
powerpoint
right
they're
speaking
in
terms
of
this
new
structure
in
which
community
can
bring
new
ideas.
So,
as
this
working
group
is
here
to
work
with
the
city,
council
and
city
staff
to
create
this
policy
recommendation
is
their
transparency
to
have
a
collective,
shared
decision-making
process.
D
C
Right,
I
can't
even
take
this
one
just
because
I
was
like
all
right,
so
here's
why
we're
here
all
right,
so
the
city
council,
we
elected
them,
so
we
have
to
have
our
best
confidence
that
our
elected
officials
are
going
to
do
what
we
need
them
to
do,
and
if
we
don't
want
this,
we
can't
we
just
thought
we
can't
vote
for
them.
The
second
piece
of
this
is
the
city:
staff
is
hired
to
support
the
city
council,
so
the
city,
so
what
we
are
doing
is
we
are
making
recommendations
to
the
staff.
C
These
recommendations
will
get
to
the
council
in
two
ways.
They
will
be
integrated
into
the
staff's
recommendation,
but
from
my
understanding,
council
will
have
the
raw,
like
all
these
notes
that
you
all
are
putting
in
the
side
and
that
we
are
moving
those
keynotes
to
jam
boards.
Your
comments
that
you
have
on
the
record,
all
of
that
raw
material
will
also
go
to
city
council.
So
why
are
you
here
tiffany
to
influence
the
process?
You
may
not
have
the
power
to
pick
the
final
process.
Q
R
Hi,
I
think
that
was
me
sorry.
I
was
trying
to
unmute
myself.
My
name
is
e
lee
smarter
just
to
reintroduce
myself.
First
of
all,
sorry,
I
have
some
notes
here
because
I'm
trying
to
like
you
know
say
what
I
need
to
say,
but
first
of
all
I
just
want
to
thank
aisha
and
sarah
and
other
city
staff
members
here
I'm
sure
that
there's
been
some
work
that
y'all
have
done
behind
the
scenes.
R
That
is
not
really
getting
noticed
here,
and
so
I
just
want
to
recognize
that
I
want
to
yeah.
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
everyone
in
this
meeting
right
now
cares
about
the
city
of
asheville
and
what
goes
on
here
and
and
that
we're
effective
and-
and
you
know,
make
practical
recommendations
that
really
improve
our
community,
because
right
now,
what
it
kind
of
feels
like
is
there's
this
like
us
versus
them,
mentality
of,
like
maybe
staff
and
council
versus
the
rest
of
the
citizens
and.
R
R
I
am
not
currently
a
board
or
commission
member
so
and
I
think
that's
different
from
most
people
who
are
in
these
meetings
right
now,
and
I
feel
like
that.
That
kind
of
gives
me
a
little
like
a
little
bit
less
of
a
dog
in
this
fight
because
I'm
not
personally
like
perhaps
losing
my
spot
on
a
border
commission
if
this
goes
through.
R
R
But
I
just
want
to
encourage
everyone
to
try
to
keep
an
open
mind
about
this,
and
if
you
are
not
familiar
with
the
kubler-ross
model
of
change,
I
would
encourage
you
to
look
at
that
because
it
describes
how
like,
when
change
comes
on
your
first.
We're
first
very
opposed
to
it
and
we
kind
of
we
kind
of
sink
into
this.
R
Like
pit
of
despair
before
we
realize,
like
the
good
things
that
can
come
from
change,
so
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
put
that
in
there
and
hope
that
you
know
we
can
all
agree
that
there's
room
for
improvement
and
if
we
just
start
off
at
a
point,
that's
not
so
like
throwing
punches
at
people
and
just
kind
of
like
a
point
that
we're
all
hoping
to
reach
the
same
thing
that
we
can
really
use
this
time
wisely
to
come
up
with
recommendations
rather
than
being
recalcitrant
and
wasting
our
time.
S
Yes,
my
my
name
is
stephen
hendricks,
and
can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
right
all
right?
I've
served
on
a
commission
for
a
number
of
years,
I'm
not
on
a
commission
right
now,
but
I
think
we
could
all
agree
that
the
flow
of
information
and
advice
to
city
council
needs
to
be
improved
and
there's
some
flaws
in
the
way
the
system
is
working.
Now,
council
doesn't
always
get
the
advice
they
need
from
the
citizens
in
a
timely
manner,
and
I
think
boards
and
commissions
could
work
more
effectively.
S
I
think
the
idea
of
disbanding
boards
and
commissions
is
just
a
non-starter
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
I
think
they
can
be
reorganized
in
a
way
that
commissions
could
cross-pollinate
some
and
maybe
group
into
to
a
ways
that
the
flow
of
information
would
work
better
to
city
council
and
there
could
be
some
feedback.
S
I
think
that's
some
of
what's
missing
right
now
and
that's
partly
on
the
city
and
that's
partly
on
boards
and
commissions
to
work
through
that.
But
I
I
don't
want
to
go
into
all
the
flaws
of
the
proposal
that
just
on
the
table,
I
I
just
don't
think
it
works.
S
Just
kind
of
amorphous-
and
it's
just
it-
has
a
number
of
downsides
to
it.
I
think
we
need
to
network
and
involve
more
people
on
boards
and
commissions
and
have
more
equity
involved
in
how
the
you
know,
boards
and
commissions
are
selected.
We
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
expertise
locally
here.
Let's
take
advantage
of
that
and
work
together,
rather
than
narrowing
the
scope
of
the
people
that
are
involved.
S
Those
are
my
general
concerns.
I
think
the
proposal
goes
backwards.
I
think
there's
another
way
to
work
it.
That
would
be
much
more
creative
and
involved,
and
not
so
radical
in
starting
over
again,
which
I
don't
think
is
necessary.
I
think
we
have
something
good
some
pieces
that
are
good
to
work
with.
Let's
just
try
to
reorganize
some
and
make
it
work
better.
That's
you!
That's!
The
general
thought
I
have.
C
S
I
sent
in
a
proposal
of
some
ideas
of
what
would
I
thought
would
work
better.
You
know
just
as
a
starting
point.
Okay,
people
have
other
ideas
so.
C
You
may
like,
we
can't
like
we
are
here
for
a
purpose.
So
after
you,
after
you
know,
patrick,
I
tried
to
get
your
comments
first.
I
really
want
to
ask
you
this
question
so
that
you
get
your
input
in
and
then
we
can
come
back
to
this
conversation
at
the
end,
but
we
really
got
to
get
our
input
in
so
we'll
we'll
go
with
collective
liberation
station
as
our
wrap-up
comment
and
then
we'll
move
into
our
actual
discussion.
So
we
have
amy
mike
and
anne.
Q
Q
At
that
time,
I
was
on
the
tree
commission,
which
is
now
the
urban
forest
commission
became
evident
to
me
that
staff
there
wasn't
familiar
with
the
guiding
policies,
and
so
I
drew
some
pictures
that
looked
very
similar
to
the
ones
that
we're
presented
with
today
and
I'm
now
on
the
audit
committee,
which
stands
to
be
done
away
with.
Q
So
I'm
more
than
appalled
kind
of
at
the
way
this
is
unfolding.
I
believe
that
it
should
start
with
a
conversation
between
the
members
of
the
boards
and
commissions
and
move
up
from
there.
It
should
not
be
a
top-down
proposal
as
it
is
right
now
right.
Q
I
don't
see
other
city
council
people
involved
in
this
conversation,
and
that
concerns
me,
so
I
think
this
we're
going
about
this
the
wrong
way,
I'm
the
one
that
pointed
out,
I'm
the
one
that
made
the
list
in
2017
that
the
city
apparently
didn't
have
of
the
boards
and
commissions,
and
I'm
the
one
that
do
the
pictures
like
I
said
that
looks
similar
to
what
we
have
today,
and
this
is
wrong.
This
is
just
the
wrong
way
to
go
about
this.
Q
I
mean
it's
clear
in
this
meeting
that
the
people
involved
agree
with
me,
and
I
would
ask
that
that
we
go
back
to
where
we
started
from
and
take
a
look
at
why
the
boards
and
commissions
are
not
being
asked
for
their
advice,
as
opposed
to
giving
a
report
annually
that
we
don't
even
know,
is
being
read.
Yeah.
C
So
we
just
made
that
recommendation
and
listening
to
you,
what
I
hear
is
a
better
communication
plan.
So
can
we
make
a
recommendation
for
a
better
communication
plan?
So
we've
already
said
we
want
the
boards
and
commission
to
be
interviewed
and
talk
to
listening
sessions
from
them
before
starting
the
process
completely.
C
Q
But
you
know
that
that
doesn't
that's
that's
not
where
we
need
to
start
this
conversation.
We
need
to
start
it
in
the
community
and
then
figure
out
how
to
put
the
city
resources
behind
a
solution
that
works
for
everybody
and
really
hears
voices.
So
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
say
bottoms
up
as
opposed
to
top
down.
C
I
A
Hi,
I
I
agree
with
a
good
bit
of
what
people
have
said
and
I
think
if
it
does
start
from
the
bottom
up,
we
can
identify
process
issues
which
is
a
lot
of
the
stuff
people
talking
about
the
reporting
and
getting
information
back
and
forth
and
also
outcome
issues.
If
we're
finding
that
the
things
that
the
boards
are
working
on
are
not
really
relevant
to
the
city
council
anymore.
Maybe
we
do
need
to
think
about
how
they
could
be
reorganized.
A
I
mean
some
boards
may
be
outdated.
You
don't
necessarily
start
something
and
it
never
ever
goes
away.
I
think
we
could
reevaluate
each
set
of
charges
that
are
made
to
the
different
boards
and
commissions,
maybe
on
some
regular
basis
every
couple
years
and
have
a
sunset
time
in
there,
so
that
everyone
that
started
has
a
date
at
which
it
will
end
unless
there's
a
reason
and
a
need
and
desire
and
agreement
to
keep
it
going.
A
O
A
C
Thank
you.
I
heard
a
lot
of
suggestions.
I'm
setting
some
time
time.
Length
survey
was
what
I
heard.
I
heard
a
more
collaborative
work
groups
in
what
you
were
saying
so
we're
gonna.
I
think
mike
I
didn't
hear
from
my
kid
so
mike
and
then
collective
liberation
station
and
then
we're
gonna
move
into
trying
to
make
the
recommendations
that
we
were
asked
for
before
you
have
to
get
back
to
it
today.
M
Hi,
I'm
mike,
I
serve
on
a
couple
and
I
work
with
all
these
boards
and
commissions
and
committees.
I'm
a
civil
engineer.
I
work
with
on
the
committee's
officer,
landscape
architects.
Lawyers.
We've
donated
thousands
of
hours
of
our
time
that
would
cost
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
for
the
city
to
hire
us.
My
billing
rate
was
over
500
an
hour
when
I
left
10
years
ago
and
that's
what
I
would
be
charging
the
city
to
do
the
same
work
I'm
doing
now
for
free.
M
So
I
think
the
city
has
it
backwards.
They're,
saying
that
this
these
commissions
and
boards
and
committees
are
costing
the
city
money,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
boards
that
are
actually
saving
a
lot
of
money
because
we're
going
out
and
doing
the
leg
work,
doing
the
research
finding
the
resources
for
the
city
that
they
can't
afford
and
don't
have
the
staff
to
do
themselves.
C
I
really
appreciate
you
talking
about
bringing
your
talent
and
your
time
to
our
city
and
what
that
means,
and
I
think,
as
a
part
of
this
group,
I
hope
it's
something
that
we
can
open
up
the
conversation
with
about
further.
I
think
you
were
just
re-uh
stating
for
me
what
I've
heard
from
numerous
people
in
this
group.
We
really
need
some
listening
sessions
from
people
who
are
in
work
with
work,
group,
sports
and
commissions,
and
then
the
county
really.
C
I
mean
the
city
really
needs
to
speak
up
about
why
we
are
doing
this
and
provide
some
more
input
and
a
little
bit
more
communication
around
that.
So
we're
going
to
let
collaborate,
collective
liberation
station,
what
a
wonderful
name
and
we're
going
to
let
let
them
close
us
out
with
these
comments
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
our
next
thing.
T
I
am
tony
rodriguez
commission
chair
for
the
human
relations
commission.
T
One
of
the
things
that
I
understand
about
this
restructuring
project
is
that
there
has
been
a
lot
of
work
put
into
it
behind
the
scenes
and
and
on
in
center
stage
too,
with
four
sessions
of
community
input
that
this
working
group
is
the
genesis
of
one
of
the
other
things
that
I
understand
from
this
restructuring
project
is
that
it's
not
so
much
a
restructuring
more
than
a
reorganizing
reorganizing
and
as
commission
chair,
I'm
speaking,
not
from
an
esta
from
an
establishment
perspective
and
also
from
a
community
perspective.
T
T
So,
instead
of
having
one
city,
council,
member
struggle
and
fight
to
get
that
recommendation
heard,
that
is
actually
from
the
community.
We
have
three
city
council
advocates
that
bring
that
recommendation
to
city
council
that
help
city
council
say
hey
look!
This
is
the
voice
from
the
community
there's
three
of
us
that
that
absolutely
support
this
recommendation.
T
T
How
how
would
hold
let
me
let
me
let
me
further
explore
this
in
in
a
in
a
deeper
way
as
well.
One
of
the
things
that
I've
seen
is
you
know
we
what's
wrong
with
the
boards
and
commissions.
You
know
we
need
to
do
a
survey
and
all
of
that
one
of
the
things
that
I
have
seen
as
a
commissioner
is
there
is
no
communication
with
the
commissions.
T
That
needs
to
be
looked
at
within
the
commissions,
and
I
love
what
patrick
said
that
says:
hey
maybe
we
need
to
like
look
at
what's
going
on
with
the
commissions
now.
What
do
we
need
to
improve
and
then
maybe
reduce
some
commission
somewhere?
That
has
no
attendance
that
has
no
public
comments.
That
hasn't
brought
a
recommendation
in
two
years
for
three
or
five
and
look
at
what
those
commissions
are
doing
and
maybe
do
they
need
help.
T
One
of
the
things
that
I've
heard
from
listening
in
these
meetings
is
that
this
is
a
living
breathing
pilot
and
within
this
living,
breathing
pilot.
Those
six
categories
can
be
expanded,
they're
not
the
be
all
and
the
end-all,
and
thank
you
elsie
for
bringing
in
the
the
what
is
it
the
kubler-ross
model
of
change,
because
anytime,
there's
change
everybody's,
like
you
know,
I
mean
seriously.
I
T
You
know,
and
that
is
a
really
possible
thing.
You
know
a
positive
thing
to
bring
in
to
remind
us.
You
know
that
anytime,
there's
change
that
happens,
there's
gonna
be
bach,
you
know,
people
are
gonna,
go
instantly
like
no
and
then
you
know
tear
it
down
and
then
and
then
maybe
in
that
tear
down
have
the
space
to
listen.
To.
Have
that
open
mind
to
maybe
inquire
with
curiosity
to
bring
in
you
know,
maybe
that
the
the
reasons
why
these
things
are
happening
is
because
of
things
that
may
not
be
public.
T
T
So
if
we
can
get
if
we
can
get
boards
or
or
committees
or
something
that
people
have
a
vested
interest
in
that
they
want
to
be
there,
they
want
to
be
doing
something
and
they're
completely
involved,
and
they
know
that
they're
being
heard
by
three
council
members,
not
just
one
that
you
know,
has
to
decide
whether
or
not
it's
worth
the
fight.
Then
I
think
that
this
is
worth
listening
to
and
being
curious
about
in
a
good
way,
with
an
open
heart
and
an
open
mind.
C
I
really
appreciate
your
comments
and
agree
with
I
took
on
this
project
for
two
reasons:
one.
It
was
my
understanding
that
recommendations
were
not
getting
to
city
council
in
a
timely
manner
and
that
work
groups
would
do
the
work
or
have
recommendations,
and
it
was
no
formal
process
in
the
process
to
get
those
ideas
up
to
council.
C
So,
as
I
come
into
this
work,
my
goal
is
to
get
your
input
and
give
it
and
then
to
be
a
part
of
community
with
you,
as
we
all
try
to
hold
people
accountable
to
what
we
do
so,
instead
of
just
listening
with
an
open
heart,
I
want
you
to
give
your
opinion
with
your
expertise,
your
lived
experience
and
your
passion
for
asheville,
and
I
want
to
do
it
in
a
way
where
sarah
is
not
overwhelmed
and
that
we
can
hold
me.
I
want
to
do
it
in
a
way
where
sarah
is
like.
C
This
is
how
I
want
to
receive
all
of
this
information,
so
I
can
process
it
right.
So
we've
kind
of
broken
this
process
down
to
hear
the
who,
what
how
and
where
of
this
plan
where
we
need
to
make
changes
or
what
your
recommendations
were
right,
and
so
today
sarah
was
hoping
to
walk
away
with
who
no
no,
what
what?
What
is
the
boys
and
commission?
What
do
you
think
that
their
role
should
be
what
so?
So
what
is
what
is
aborting?
What
is
the
working
group?
What
do
you
think
their
role
should
be?
C
What
do
you
think?
What
what
is
missing
from
the
plan
in
the
what
they
do
like
one
of
the
places,
one
of
the
things
she
was
concerned
about
is
like:
where
would
they
meet
so
if
we
have
like
so
for
the
first
question,
is
the
what
what
are
boris
and
commissions?
C
What
is
the
process
for
getting
people
to
become
onboard
and
commission?
So,
as
the
head
of
our
human
relations
commissioners
has
said,
we
have
problem
getting
people
engaged.
What
would
be
a
process
to
get
more
people
engaged?
What
would
be
a
way
for
us
to
hold
people
accountable
for
coming
to
the
meetings,
like
that's
the
recommendations
that
they
want
to
have
from
you
to
start
with
so
today
I
just
want
to
talk
about
like
what
should
the
role
of
boards
and
commissions
I
mean:
what
should
the
role
of
the
work
group
be?
C
E
C
E
E
Death
is
in
the
death
of
community
input,
through
quote
restructuring
and
and
and
limiting
even
a
work,
the
first
working
group
process
and
say
these
are
the
right.
These
are
the
parameters
you've
heard
from
everyone
pretty
uniformly,
not
only
through
prior
emails,
op-eds
literacy,
editor
and
many
other
venues,
two
staff,
two
city
council,
two
now
you
that
we
are
opposed
to
this.
E
E
You
know
whitewashing
of
what's
going
on
and
what
the
motives
are,
and
you
know
if
it's
been
staff
who
are
unaccountable
and
unelected
or
elected
officials
who
are
not
doing
as
they
said
they
were
gonna
do
for
us
when
we
elected
them,
which
is
represent
us
and
heed
us
and
listen
to
us
regardless.
E
There
has
been
a
lack
on
their
part
of
telling
boards
what
to
do
when
they
do
it.
How
to
issue
reports.
Plus
there
are
so
many
as
as,
and
I
agree
with
cecil
and
stephen
and
jack,
and
so
many
who've
weighed
in
on
this.
This
is
a
non-starter
and
this
is
a
bad
idea
and
a
long,
bad,
sad
history
of
bad
ideas,
and
that
is
my
input
and
I
hope
you
take
note
of
it.
I
have
sent
numerous
emails
about
this,
including
better
options
and
it's
not
getting
through.
E
That's
always
been
the
problem,
that's
why
we've
been
frustrated
as
boards
and
board
members
and
participants,
and
this
is
not
only
the
a
bad
idea.
It's
though
it's
really
offensive.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
for
sharing
your
comment.
I
would
like
to
find
out
from
the
group
in
terms
of
the
what,
when
it
comes
to
this
proposal,
what
the
working
group
should
do,
what
their
terms
should
be,
which
somebody
mentioned
they
wanted
to
change.
Those
are
the
questions
that
I
have
for
you
just
any
comments
on
the.
What,
as
it
relates
to
the
working
group,
you
can
just
start
by
raising
your
hand
and
we'll
start
calling
on
you.
U
Yes,
hi,
I'm
chad,
fedora
and
I
I
would
propose
that.
First
of
all,
I
I
think
that
we
can
take
a
constructive
approach
here
and
I
would
propose
that
the
work,
the
initial
work,
at
least
of
the
working
group,
be
to
take
what
staff
has
already
done
first
and
and
look
at
each
of
the
boards
and
commissions,
and
and
including
that,
of
course,
interviews
with
the
board
of
commission
members,
but
with
the
objective
of
determining
which
boards
and
commissions
are
effective,
which
boards
and
commissions
are
not
effective.
U
If
they're
not
effective,
is
it
because
they
have
outlived
their
their
charge
and
should
be
and
and
should
be
eliminated
or
do
they
need
to
be
restructured
to
make
them
more
effective,
and
with
that
with
that
sort
of
base
of
of
research
and
evaluation.