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B
Good
afternoon
I'm
chair
brian
haynes
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
november
17th
public
safety
committee
meeting.
All
council
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
as
we
work
through
holding
these
committee
meetings
a
bit
differently
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
B
B
B
855-925-2801
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9477
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time
at
the
end
of
the
agenda
for
public
comment.
B
I
will
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
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your
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If
you
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staff.
As
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello.
C
A
B
C
B
Councilwoman
smith,
I
myself,
I
minutes,
have
been
approved.
Okay,
we'll
our
only
presentation
or
agenda
item
today
as
an
after-action
report
and
be
presented
by
chief
zach.
D
Thank
you.
We
spoke
months
back
when
it
was
determined
that
apd
would
in
fact
conduct
their
own
after-action
report
after
consideration
of
bringing
in
an
outside
entity
to
assist
us
with
that.
D
We
have
since
taken
that
responsibility
on
and
what
I
can
tell
you
right
now
is
that
we
will
meet
our
deadline.
I
expect
to
have
this
full
report.
100
percent,
completed,
probably
within
the
next
two
to
three
weeks.
I
had
said
initially
that
we
would
need
to
dis
to
time
till
december
and
we
will
meet
that
deadline.
I
I
can
honestly
say
we're
probably
80
to
85
complete
at
this
point.
D
If
you
would
like,
I
can
kind
of
talk
somewhat
to
the
methodology
that's
used
in
the
creation
of
this
report,
but
also
this
report's
actual
purpose.
So
I'll
proceed
as
you
wish.
D
To
in
order
to
prepare
an
after
action
report,
especially
one
of
this
magnitude,
there
are
specific
federal
guidelines
that
have
been
put
out
by
the
community
oriented
policing
services,
the
us
department
of
justice
on
how
to
actually
compile
one
of
these
reports.
We
are
doing
exactly
that
and
following
those
guidelines
to
a
team.
D
D
Our
team
has
reviewed
at
this
point
hundreds
of
hours
of
video
footage
not
only
from
our
officers
body-worn
cameras,
but
also
footage
that
we
were
able
to
pull
off
of
social
media
and,
as
we
know,
there
was
a
significant
amount
of
footage
that
was
recorded.
D
The
purpose
of
the
report
obviously
is
to
constructively
evaluate
and
assess
our
operations
operationally
and
tactically,
and
also
to
identify
the
unique
challenges
and
issues
that
we
were
faced
with
during
the
protest,
so
we'll
be
looking
at
our
planning
the
tactics
that
we
use
any
issues
related
to
command
and
control,
situational
awareness,
training
and
also
the
responsibility
of
officers
to
intervene
during
protests
of
civil
unrest.
D
D
D
So,
that's
really,
you
know
the
methodology
and
what
the
purpose
of
this
report
is,
and
I
can
assure
you,
after
seeing
rough
drafts,
this
report
is
going
to
be
extremely
comprehensive
and
should
answer
the
questions
and
concerns
that
not
only
the
police
department
has,
but
our
elected
officials,
but
also
our
community
members.
C
D
I
I
think,
that's
just
something
that
you
know
we
would
take
up
with
legal
on
how
we
want
to
disseminate
that
report.
B
D
Yeah,
I
you
know
again,
I
we
have
no
objections
to
any
portion
of
that
becoming
public
alone.
E
No,
not
really,
I
appreciated
the
information
that
we
learned
last
week
about
how
to
move
forward
with
further
mass
gatherings.
I
was
wondering
chief,
were
you
gonna,
take
some
of
that
information,
and
you
know
report
back
on
on
how
to
make
things
better,
because
you
know
we're
talking
about
growth
and
how
to
move
forward
and
make
the
you
know
the
force
better.
So
that's
absolutely.
D
Patient
absolutely-
and
you
know,
chief
chief
monroe
and
I
had
several
conversations
in
the
preparation
of
his
findings.
Again,
I
think
generally,
he
felt
that
you
know
policy
wise.
We
were
in
very
good
shape,
as
opposed
to
some
of
the
municipalities
that
he's
dealt
with
in
the
past.
D
Certainly,
improvements
can
be
made
and
policies
will
be
adjusted,
but
there's
also,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
policies,
procedures
that
are
that
are
put
in
place
that
maybe
you
know
we
can't
accomplish
just
just
because
of
the
numbers
that
we
have
perhaps
like
a
municipality
like
charlotte
with
16
officers,
as
opposed
to
a
city
like
asheville
with
with
238.
D
So
there
are
always
going
to
be
some
differences
in
policy
and
procedure,
but
as
the
core
document
in
the
core
recommendations,
I
think
will
will
be
fine
in
achieving
those
again.
He
and
I
have
been
in
contact
regularly
and
it's
it's
been
a
very,
I
think
constructive
process,
and
you
know
we
will.
D
We
will
continue
to
make
adjustments
and
I
think
nationally,
I
think,
you're,
going
to
see
a
lot
of
policy
changes
and
recommendations
being
put
out
just
because
of
the
widespread
civil
unrest
that
we
saw
not
just
here
in
asheville,
and
it
was
far
worse
in
in
other
cities,
and
I
think
you
know
you're
going
to
see
new
recommendations.
We
certainly
learned
learned
a
lot
and
during
those
unprecedented
days,
and
so
there
will
definitely
be
adjustments.
B
Thank
you,
chief.
No
one
else.
B
Okay,
before
we
moved
to
public
comment,
I
had
prepared
some
a
statement
that
I
would
like
to
read
as
my
last
official
statement
from
chair
of
public
safety
committee.
Let's
do
that
chief
monroe's
insightful
presentation
on
law
enforcement
uses
of
chemical
munitions
at
our
october,
public
safety
meeting
did
not
specifically
address
tactics
or
munitions
deployed
by
apd
during
the
june.
Black
lives
matter
protest,
but
it
did
present
changes
and
options
for
dealing
with
crowd
control
in
the
future.
B
This
report
stated
that
cs
considered
a
nerve
agent
was
a
higher
level
of
force
than
oc
and
laid
out
the
differing
effects
on
the
subject,
the
cs,
tear
gas
affects
the
respiratory
system,
making
it
difficult
to
breathe,
feeling
like
you're,
choking
burning
eyes,
forcing
you
to
close
them.
Searing
pain,
burns,
the
mucous
membranes
of
the
nose
mouth
and
throat,
profuse
coughing,
nasal,
mucus
discharge
and
results
in
partially
incapacitating
the
subject:
the
effects
of
oc
pepper
spray,
while
still
harmful,
were
defined
as
less
severe
than
those
of
cs
tear
gas.
B
Well,
this
is
my
last
public
safety
meeting
as
a
member
of
city
council.
I
strongly
recommend
to
the
remaining
public
safety
members
and
the
incoming
council
that
we
look
to
join
denver.
Excuse
me
awesome,
please.
We
look
to
join
denver
and
other
municipalities
in
prohibiting
the
use
of
cs
gas
and
clearly
defining
the
policy
for
oc
deployment,
while
also
looking
closely
at
other
changes
that
have
been
implemented
around
the
country
in
order
to
protect
and
facilitate
the
right
to
peacefully
protest.
B
I
would
also
recommend
that
this
committee
council
and
the
city
manager
look
to
the
look
to
follow
the
amnesty
international
recommendations
for
best
practices
for
law
enforcement
officers.
Policing
demonstrations,
along
with
studying
their
report
on
mass
violations
by
u.s
police
of
black
lives,
matter,
protesters
rights.
B
While
we
await
the
results
of
apd's
internal
investigation,
we
should
be
preparing
our
own
recommendations
for
dealing
with
crowd
control
control
during
future
protests.
Based
on
what
we
already
know
from
viewing
the
widely
available
live,
footage
and
testimonials
of
those
who
have
participated
in
these
protests.
A
All
right,
so
we
have
five
people
in
the
speaker
queue
people
can
join
while
others
are
talking
so
I'll.
Let
you
know
when
we
get
to
the
last.
F
F
Good
afternoon
this
is
ben
scales
attorney.
I
had
been
invited
by
councilman
brian
haynes
to
make
a
presentation
at
the
last
public
safety
committee
meeting
on
behalf
of
the
racial
justice
coalition,
but
that
presentation
was
canceled.
We
were
told
by
a
majority
vote
of
the
council
in
that
presentation.
I
intended
to
present
the
stories
of
numerous
survivors
of
excessive
force
deployed
against
them
by
the
asheville
police
department
during
this
past
summer's
racial
justice
protests.
F
The
purpose
of
the
presentation
was
to
rebut
the
common
misconception
that,
because
no
formal
complaints
had
been
filed,
that
no
complaints
existed
since
that
meeting
on
yes,
yesterday,
I
filed
on
behalf
of
20
survivors,
formal
complaints
with
the
professional
standards
section
of
apd,
alleging
various
instances
of
excessive
force.
I
and
other
members
of
the
rjc
team
interviewed
objectively
these
survivors
in
a
process
of
careful
fact
finding
which
consumed
many
hours.
F
That
policy
provides,
among
other
things,
that
chemical
munitions
are
only
to
be
deployed
after
dispersal
warnings
have
been
clearly
communicated
with
significant
amplification
and
repetition
is
necessary
to
be
heard
by
the
entire
crowd
that
did
not
occur.
In
many
instances,
policy
also
provides
that
munitions
will
not
be
fired
directly
at
individuals.
You
will
hear
stories
of
of
individuals
being
intentionally
targeted
and
hit
by
projectiles.
F
Public
safety
committee,
the
full
council
and
city
manager
in
chief,
need
to
address
our
demands
for
justice,
for
those
abused
and
for
our
community.
The
racial
justice
coalition
is
weary
of
the
delay
in
the
clear
efforts
to
silence
us
and
to
force
us
off
the
agenda
and
into
these
public
comments.
This
delay
in
inaction
is
in
part
why
victims
of
police
misconduct
are
hesitant
to
file
citizen
complaints.
F
Finally,
it
must
be
noted
that
these
violations
also
constitute
evidence
of
federal
civil
rights
violations,
which
may
have
to
be
addressed
through
a
federal
court
action
for
constitutional
violations.
It's
now
been
five
and
a
half
months,
since
these
instances
occurred
our
community
and
our
rjc
need
immediate
action
or
a
reporting.
The
police
did
nothing
wrong
so
that
we
may
take
our
next
steps.
F
G
This
is
david
greenson
from
asheville,
I'm
reading
a
complaint
by
jane
doe
number
five.
I
attended
the
june
1st
protest
and
was
accosted
with
tear
gas
three
times.
This
happened
during
peaceful
moments,
seemingly
unprovoked
by
protesters,
I
experienced
emotional
and
physical,
traumatic
effects
from
it.
For
days
following,
I
also
witnessed
a
violent
arrest
of
a
young
protester
who
simply
got
too
close
to
the
police
line.
He
was
not
violent
and
I
saw
multiple
officers
attack
him
hold
him
down.
While
he
screamed
I'm
not
resisting
I'm
not
resisting.
I
think
you
broke
my.
G
I
tried
to
videotape
what
was
going
on
in
two
officers
obscured
the
view
of
my
camera
telling
me
I
needed
to
leave.
I
had
this
on
film,
but
felt
it
would
be
too
much.
It
would
be
much
help
wouldn't
be
much
help
to
the
victim,
since
I
couldn't
actually
get
the
footage.
I
do
know
his
name
though,
and
looked
him
up
to
see
he
was
released.
G
This
is
from
jane
doe
six.
While
attending
the
protest.
On
monday
june
1st
the
apd
used
tear
gas
and
shot
rubber
bullets
at
us.
I
was
one
of
maybe
20,
plus
other
folks
kneeling
with
our
hands
up
close
to
the
apd
line.
This
group
was
completely
non-violent,
but
when
someone
further
out
in
the
actual
crowd
through
water
bottles
and
eventually
a
firework,
we
were
attacked
as
well.
We
were
clearly
separate
and
there
was
no
need
to
use
excessive
force
to
disperse
us.
We
did
nothing
wrong.
I
did
nothing
wrong.
G
I
was
wearing
a
backpack
filled
with
water
bottles
and
medic
supplies
and
stayed
until
about
12
a.m,
or
so
to
be
engaged
and
also
make
sure
all
were
okay.
This
is
from
john
doe
number.
Four
police
deployed
tear
gus
on
a
crowd
of
peaceful
protesters,
myself
included
and
I
was
shot
directly
with
paintball
guns.
I
have
access
to
video
footage
of
the
incident
on
the
bridge,
jamie
doe
six.
I
have
been
tear
gassed
four
times
to
date
by
the
apd
and
have
been
diagnosed
with
chemical
pneumonias
because
of
effects
of
tear
gas.
G
I
was
also
most
recently
grabbed
and
taken
down
by
a
police
officer
when
attempting
to
retrieve
glasses
from
the
ground
may
31st
to
june
1st
and
june
3rd
for
tear-gassing
at
the
patton
bridge
on
highway
26,
as
well
as
downtown
jane
joe
number
one.
During
the
protest
on
the
1st
of
june,
I
was
on
the
front
lines
in
front
of
the
police
wearing
riot
gear.
G
I
made
a
point
to
ensure
that
I
was
obviously
peaceful
by
spending
most
of
my
time,
kneeling
with
my
hands
in
the
air,
roughly
10,
to
15
feet
away
from
the
police
line
due
to
having
been
shot
with
rubber
bullets,
flash
bangs
and
tear
gas
the
night
before,
as
well
as
knowing
that
there
had
been
things
thrown
by
protesters
toward
the
police
mine.
I
was
wearing
protective
gear.
G
I
wear
multiple
face:
masks
ski
goggles
knee
pads
and
a
bike
helmet
to
ensure
my
personal
safety,
roughly
10
to
15
minutes
after
the
police
began
crowd
dispersal
tactics,
there's
a
photo
of
me
through
clouds
of
tear
gas
wearing
my
gas
kneeling
on
the
wearing
my
gear
kneeling
on
the
sidewalk
in
front
of
the
fire
department.
With
my
hands
in
the
air,
a
few
minutes
after
that
photo
was
taken.
Another
protester
had
a
small
crowd
gathered
around
them
because
they
believed
they
were
injured.
G
At
this
point,
I
moved
to
stand
between
the
police
line
and
this
small
group
of
people
to
ensure
that
the
police
did
not
continue
shooting
them
with
rubber
bullets
while
attending
to
their
possible
injuries.
I
heard
the
police
yelling
that
if
this
person
was
hurt,
they
could
be
brought
across
the
police
line
to
their
medical
team.
H
Hi,
my
name
is
grits
and
I'm
a
resident
of
asheville,
I'm
going
to
read
a
series
of
complaints
forums
filed
against
asheville
police
department
after
their
use
of
excessive
force
on
peaceful
protesters,
jamie
doe
number,
four.
I
was
shot
at
and
hit
with
every
form
of
less
lethal
round
that
was
being
used
by
apd
during
the
protest.
H
Tear
gas,
flash
bangs
tossed
intentionally
under
my
feet,
for
refusing
to
leave
or
move
even
after
being
shot,
and
everyone
else
was
dispersing
rubber
bullets,
rubber
bullets
on
my
arms
legs
and
mainly
my
upper
chest
area,
rubber
bullets
coated
in
tear
gas
and
bean
bag
rounds
on
my
legs
and
feet.
I
have
scars
to
prove
it.
H
John
doe
number,
six
may
31st
sunday.
We
all
went
to
protest.
We
took
both
highways
as
we
started
to
see
police
officers
in
full
riot
gear
with
guns
out
hiding
in
bushes,
so
we
turned
around
and
walked
all
the
way
to
the
bowen
bridge,
where
we
were
met
with
a
whole
line
of
officers
in
riot
gear
shields,
rubber
bullets,
tear
gas
and
mace
pellets.
H
It
was
peaceful
until
I
have
the
video
proof
in
one
of
the
canisters
officers
started,
throwing
tear
gas
and
shooting
people
in
the
face
with
mace
balls
police
started
to
attack
people
just
out
of
nowhere,
especially
these
short
women,
short
women
officers
that
had
the
mace
gun.
She
was
shooting
that
thing
like
it
was
fully
automatic.
H
We
eventually
walked
back
to
downtown
where
a
lot
of
people
were
already
upset
the
actions
the
police
had
taken
against
us.
They
continued
most
the
night
to
be
violent
again
against
us.
More
tear
gas,
more
mace,
but
the
worst
thing
for
me
to
see
were
kids
having
to
experience,
tear
gas.
Just
imagine
that
in
your
head
and
hear
that
and
for
our
chief
of
police,
I
saw
you
almost
tase
a
child
because
he
was
helping
his
friend
who
that
got
hit
by
a
tear
gas
canister
in
the
head.
H
This
brings
me
to
how
officers
overuse
everything
I
have
a
tear
gas
canister
in
my
room.
I
picked
up
thinking
about
that
hitting
someone
in
the
head
which
it
did
when
they
pop
open.
They
are
hot
to
the
touch
burning
hot.
The
smoke
you
can't
breathe
in
when
it
gets
trapped
in
your
lungs
tear
gas
should
not
be
used
on
anyone.
The
apd
has
numerous
excessive
force
over
the
whole
process.
They
should
all
be
charged
with
assault
and
excessive
force
and
then
to
see
the
all
lives
matter
coming
in.
H
A
I
This
is
from
john
doe
number
five.
I
was
on
the
bowen
bridge
about
8
30
pm
on
sunday
may
31st
participating
in
a
peaceful
march.
The
police
have
been
mostly
escorting
us
from
5
30
to
shortly
before
we
went
on
the
bowen
bridge
at
about
8
30.
I
heard
no
warning
but
felt
the
painful
stinging
of
tear
gas
and
my
wife
was
hit
by
a
projectile
which
I
assumed
was
a
rubber
bullet.
During
the
march.
I
also
witnessed
a
policeman
repeatedly
and
purposefully
bump
an
individual
standing
in
the
street.
I
I
This
is
from
jane
doe
number
seven.
I
came
to
the
protest
downtown
one
of
the
first
nights
when
they
were
tear
gassing
the
main
square
in
front
of
vance
before
retreating
to
the
precinct.
Where
the
demonstration
continued,
I
was
exposed
to
tear
gas
multiple
times
and
experienced
intense
burning
of
the
skin
eyes
and
throat,
intense
watery
eyes
and
blurred
vision
and
mucous
production.
I
I
thought
that
that
would
be
the
extent
of
things
and
I
was
wrong.
The
periods
I've
had
ever
since
have
been
excruciating
and
abnormally
painful.
I've
had
two
periods
since
and
both
have
resulted
in
me
being
totally
incapacitated
and
nearly
passing
out
due
to
pain.
I
haven't
experienced
pain
like
this
since
january
of
2019.
I
J
Hello,
my
name
is
marne
hurley,
I'm
a
resident
of
asheville
reading
accounts
of
survivors
of
police
excessive
force.
I
also
like
to
note
that
it
is
extremely
disappointing
that
chief
doc
has
now
left
this
meeting.
This
is
an
account
from
james
jamie
doe
number
two
over
five
nights
of
protest.
I
was
tear
gassed
six
times.
I
watched
the
apd
use
excessive
force.
Even
when
things
were
peaceful
and
to
be
honest,
protests
only
became
unpeaceful
after
the
cops
instigated.
I
was
also
hit
with
a
bit
of
firework
that
I
believed
police
threw
into
a
car.
J
The
cops
also
trapped
the
marchers
in
a
street,
so
they
could
terrorize
us.
This
is
an
account
from
jane
doe
number
three.
I
have
been
tear
gassed
twice
on
may
31st
and
on
june
1st,
resulting
in
asthmatic
symptoms
for
the
following
week.
In
addition
to
emotional
turmoil
from
aggression
experienced
by
police,
I
had
to
drag
my
friend
out
of
a
red
zone
when
there
was
tear
gas
and
pepper
bullets.
J
One
of
my
friends
was
hurt
and
couldn't
walk,
a
canister
exploded
and
flashed
her
ankle.
This
is
an
account
from
john
doe
number
one
on
wednesday
june
3rd
2020.
It
went
from
picture
perfect
march.
The
people
protesting
peacefully
exercising
their
right
to
gather
and
demonstrate
to
complete
pandemonium
and
panic
when
apd
dressed
for
combat
fire
tear
gas
from
behind
without
any
verbal
command
order
or
warning.
J
I
ended
up
being
corralled
into
a
parking
garage
next
to
the
public
library
with
about
40
other
people
aware
as
soon
as
we
were
in
there
that,
if
police
shot
tear
gas,
we
would
be
in
danger
of
being
trapped
with
the
fumes
people
raced
out,
we
jumped
from
the
second
level
down
to
the
ground.
It
was
a
dangerous
jump
about
15
feet
and
because
I
was
actually
the
first
one
to
make
the
jump.
When
people
followed,
I
felt
responsible
for
making
sure
they
got
down.
J
D
If
I
could
correct
the
record,
I
have
been
on
this
call.
This
is
chief
zack.
I've
been
on
this
call
the
entire
time.