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B
Good
morning,
everyone
I'm
chair,
safe
church,
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
august
16th
housing
and
community
development
committee
meeting.
All
council
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
today,
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
welcome
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll,
be
stating
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
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B
We'll
be
prompted
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code
and
that
code
is
9791
for
today's
meeting.
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also
have
the
option
for
people
to
call
in
and
comment
live
during
the
meeting
to
do
so.
He
will
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same
number,
855,
925-2801
and
meeting
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9791,
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be
muted
and
you
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hear
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Please
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star,
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and
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speak,
just
a
friendly
reminder
to
stay
muted
unless
necessary
or
need
to
speak
up,
and
if
you
would
like
to
raise
your
hand
or
bnq.
Just
give
me
a
virtual
wave,
I'm
going
to
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
community
members
who
are
with
us
today.
You
all
could
just
quickly
unmute
and
give
us
a
quick
hello.
B
B
Manager,
deborah
campbell
good
morning,
our
community
and
economic
development
director
nikki
reid,
hello,
everyone
and
affordable
housing
officer
sasha
morning.
All
right.
I
also
see
we
have
with
the
attorney's
office
the
attorney's
office
janice
ashley
with
us.
B
C
B
B
Myself
saved
her,
I
and
that
completes
item
number
one.
So
if
you're
listening
at
home
we're
quickly
moving
on
to
item
number
two,
and
that
is
the
proposed
purchase
and
sales
agreement
between
three
and
two
biltmore
and
I
believe
sasha
you'll
be
kicking
this
off
for
us.
So
please
go
ahead!
Thank
you.
E
I'll
tee
it
up,
and
then
I
will
turn
over
to
sasha.
We
do
have
a
team
from
laurel
street
and
so
we'll
turn
it
over
to
them
towards
the
end
and
they'll,
introduce
their
team
and
finish
off
the
slide
so
katie.
If
you
will
pull
up
the
presentation,
we'll
get
started
thanks.
So
much
so
really
excited
to
be
here
today.
This
is
a
long
time
coming
so
really
really
in
in
recognition
of
this
key
milestone.
So
next
next
slide
katie.
E
Okay,
so
we're
here
today
to
share
a
mixed
income
project
that
will
deliver
212
units
with
65
of
those
units
being
affordable.
That
affordability
is
spread
across
one
two
and
three
bedroom
units
which
we'll
go
into
further
detail
on
in
just
a
second.
Our
development
partner
here
is
laurel
street
residential
and
they
are
proposing
the
following
terms.
I
will
note
that
these
has
have
been
updated
since
we
posted
on
friday
and
we'll
walk
through
that
later
on
in
the
presentation.
E
We
are
seeking
approval
today
by
the
hcd
committee.
The
next
step
would
be
to
bring
it
forward
to
city
council
with
the
committee's
recommendation
included
in
the
in
the
final
determination
from
council
next
slide,
so
just
taking
us
back
just
for
a
second
original
rfp
was
issued.
This
was
back
in
220
2020,
really
with
the
idea
of
having
a
mixed
income
and
affordable
community
to
really
complement
the
maple
crest
at
lee
walker
heights
community
that
was
built
there.
E
We
prepared
an
update
to
hcd
on
july
19th
to
really
share
out
where
we
were
with
the
with
the
project,
and
now
we
are
ready
to
take
it
to
the
next
step,
hoping
to
get
to
a
proposed
purchase
and
sales
agreement
with
laurel
street
residential
to
allow
them
to
move
into
the
next
steps
in
developing
the
property.
They
have
continued
to
refine
the
project.
E
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
even
have
updated
terms
to
share
today,
but
we
are
coming
today
with
those
additional
units
that
has
changed
since
the
last
time
we
spoke
at
hcd
and
a
change
to
that
that
pro
forma
with
the
the
city's
subsidy
also
included,
and
so
again
council
will
be
asked
to
consider
approval
of
the
purchase
and
sales
agreement
as
a
next
step
in
the
process.
Next
slide.
E
So
again,
just
some
background
on
the
city
investments
we
required
acquired
the
property
in
january
2020
with
bond
funds,
so
our
affordable
housing
bond
funds
funded
this
purchase
for
5.3
million.
At
the
time
there
was
a
building
on
site
and
the
the
development
of
maple
crest.
It
needed
to
include
a
street
to
connect
that
property
to
biltmore
avenue,
as
well
as
do
some
environmental
site
remediation
to
allow
for
some
dirt
to
be
moved
from
the
maple
crest
site
onto
the
319
biltmore
site
to
really
help
with
the
topography
there.
E
There
are
also
infrastructure
investments
that
were
made
about
400
000
of
bond
funds.
The
roadway,
as
you
can
see,
is
another
improvement
that
was
made
also.
We
are
looking
at
that
future
investment
of
a
traffic
signal
with
our
current
estimate
of
roughly
400
000
in
city
funds
to
help
in
that
investment.
Another
note
of
our
investment
at
the
into
the
affordable
housing
project
there
at
maple
crest,
next
slide.
E
Okay,
so
digging
in
a
little
bit
into
the
details.
What
we
wanted
to
do
is
just
share
some
of
the
high
level
terms
of
the
proposal,
and-
and
so
I
want
to
really
pay
attention
and
kind
of
walk
through
this
slide,
so
that
we
can
really
understand
the
impact
of
the
affordability
and
really.
E
What
I
appreciate
about
laurel
street
coming
to
the
table
is
that
in
some
projects
that
we
have
seen
a
very
viable
way
to
get
that
affordability
is
to
focus
on
studio
and
one
bedrooms,
because
the
cost
to
build
those
are
cheaper,
obviously
than
two
and
three
bedrooms.
It
just
kind
of
makes
sense
that
that
would
be
the
case,
but
I
want
to
applaud
laurel
street
because
they
are
seeking
to
spread
that
affordability
across
that
unit
mix,
so
that
we
can
actually
see
families
being
able
to
to
live
in
this
in
this
apartment
complex.
E
So,
let's
walk
through
that.
So
right
now,
215
units.
So
that's
again
an
increase
from
what
we
saw
last
time
with
the
total
number
of
units
for
the
site
per
policy.
That
is
a
20
of
those
units
being
affordable
to
residents
at
60
area
median
income.
So
what
that
means
is
that
approximately
16
units,
half
of
those
would
accept
vouchers.
E
And
I'm
just
really
realizing
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
typo
there,
so
forgive
that
and
then
ten
percent
at
eighty
percent
ami.
So
we
look
at
this
chart-
let's,
let's
walk
through
that.
So
when
we
look
at
the
sixty
percent
ami
and
below
serve
what
that
means
is
that
22
of
the
units
will
be
studio
and
one
bedroom
15
units
available
at
two
bedrooms
and
then
six
units
available
at
three
bedrooms.
You
can
also
see
we've
noted
of
those
units
which
will
also
accept
vouchers.
E
So
that's
for
a
total
of
43
units
and
then
we
look
at
the
80
ami
below
this
is
additional
affordability,
on
top
of
what
our
policy
requires,
we're
seeing
that
seven
of
those
units
a
studio
in
one
bedroom
being
affordable
at
that
rate,
nine
at
two
bedroom
and
six
at
three
bedrooms.
So
again
I
wanna
just
emphasize,
with
that
total
number
of
22
of
the
units
being
affordable
that
we're
seeing
those
incomes
served
at
80
and
60
percent
across
a
bedroom
mix.
E
D
Sure
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you,
okay,
right
so
nikki
walked
us
through
the
unit
mix.
So
that's
the
number
of
units
approximately
215
total
for
real
estate
and
financial
terms.
We
have
30
years
of
affordability,
which
is
you
know.
Our
policy
says
20
years.
Minimum
was
a
preference
for
30
years,
so
they
are
reaching
that
30
years.
Affordability,
which
is
great
land
price,
would
be
a
dollar,
so
the
land
serves
as
the
subsidy
for
that
affordable
housing
and
then
just
other
considerations.
That
would
be
a
part
of
this
deal.
D
Construction
would
be
to
be
completed
within
24
months
of
closing
on
financing.
So
the
financing
I
think
right
now
laurel
street,
is
projecting
for
november.
2023
kind
of
a
closing
of
this
full
deal
should
be
within
24
months
of
that
date.
D
D
So,
as
we've
kind
of
said
throughout
this
morning
this
this
project
as
it's
structured,
it
meets
our
policies
for
implementing
affordable
housing
on
city-owned
land.
D
The
land
you
know
the
land
is
the
major
source
of
subsidy
with
5.3
million
is
what
we
paid
for
it,
and
just
to
keep
in
mind
when
we
bought
that
land
it
had
no
road
going
through
it.
So
we
have
lost
some
land
from
our
site
with
the
road
and
then
we
are
also
built
more
with
the
new
signal
right
there
at
white
fawn
and
john
walker.
D
We
are
going
to
lose
a
little
bit
of
frontage
of
our
land,
about
20
feet
coming
in
a
little
bit
more,
so
the
site's
a
little
bit
smaller,
so
the
cost
of
unit.
You
know
the
subsidies
a
little
bit
higher
because
of
our
land
price
and
just
as
a
reminder
for
anybody,
we
did
buy
that
land
from
duke
progress
and
they
by
law
cannot
sell
land
for
lower
than
appraised
value.
D
So
staff
is
very
supportive
of
this
proposal
and
recommending
approval.
D
It's
mixed
income
aligns
with
the
vision
that
it's
always
been
discussed
in
this
kind
of
bigger
picture
complies
with
our
policies,
we're
getting
a
great
unit
mix
with
bedrooms
allowing
for
families
to
move
there
as
well
next,
and
then
I
think
we
just
have
these
this
key
takeaway
slide
again.
That
is
a
typo
212.
It
should
be
2
15.,
I
mean
at
this
time.
I
think
we
could
take
any
questions,
but
laurel
street
has
some
slides
to
present
to
you
as
well.
B
D
I
suppose,
in
other
cases
a
developer
might
pay
for
that.
You
know
that
signal.
We've
kind
of
known
that
was
coming
for
a
while
and
we
were.
We
were
hoping.
B
D
F
D
So
katie
do
you
want
to
switch
the
slides
to
the
laurel
street
slides
and-
and
I
will
turn
it
over
to
ron
stewart
is
here
with
laurel
street
and
I'll.
Let
him
introduce
his
team.
G
I'm
jump
in
and
do
a
quick
introduction
good
morning,
I'm
dion
nelson,
I'm
president
and
ceo
of
laurel
street
we're
happy
to
be
with
you
this
morning.
We
do
have
our
entire
team
with
us
ron
stewart
who
is
senior
vice
president
co-leads.
Our
development
team
is
here
as
well
and
as
well
as
other
members
of
our
development
team,
we're
going
to
jump
in
quickly
and
run
through
some
slides
ron.
Do
you
want
to
drive
and
then
we
would
be
happy
to
answer
additional
questions.
H
H
Do
yeah
so,
in
addition
to
dion
and
myself,
we
also
have
tisha
germany,
who
is
director
of
development
with
lowell
street
and
then
karis
presley
who's.
Our
development
manager.
A
H
Yeah
just
well
wow
doing
that
thanks
again,
and
I
want
to
you-
know
echo
both
nikki's
and
dion's
comments
about
just
excited
to
be
here.
It's
been
a
labor
of
love
for
us
as
an
organization,
and
me
personally,
I've
been
following
this
property
since
2019,
so
so
very
excited
to
to
finally
reach
this
day.
H
Honestly,
I
don't
know
what
else
to
say.
I
think
nikki
and
sasha
did
a
very
good
job
of
stealing
all
of
our
thunder,
and
so
what
what
I'm
really
about
to
share
is
just
a
little
bit
of
a
rehash
of
what
both
nikki
and
sasha
did
so
well
at
presenting,
but
nonetheless
you
can
transition
to
the
next
slide,
please
so
just
quickly
kind
of
per
our
previous
conversation,
I'm
going
to
give
a
brief
update
of
the
market
kind
of
share
with
you.
H
H
So,
given
the
current
market
conditions,
we're
still
seeing
a
lot
of
volatility
in
the
construction
industry,
and
this
is
still
primarily
caused
to
the
global
pandemic
that
has
played
the
country
for
the
last
two
and
a
half
plus
years.
H
As
a
byproduct
of
that,
you
see
a
lot
of
the
construction
costs
start
to
increase
and
what
what
I'll
show
later
is
how
we
try
to
factor
that
into
our
model,
so
that,
given
the
uncertainty,
that's
in
the
market,
we
still
believe
that
we
are
putting
forth
a
very
viable
transaction
that
both
the
city
and
us
will
be
very
proud
of,
and
then
finally
I'll
say
that
we're
also
factoring
the
fact
that
there
is
we're
currently
in
a
rising
interest
rate
market
and
anticipates
the
federal
reserve
rising
interest
rates
a
few
more
times
over
the
course
of
the
next
12
months
or
so
next
slide.
H
H
So
as
ben
share.
We
are
developing
the
site
at
319,
biltmore
avenue
it's
approximately
a
five
and
a
half
acre
site.
Originally,
we
will
develop
it
into
at
least
215
units
that
will
be
a
mix
of
one
twos
and
three
bedrooms.
H
We
will
we've
been
planning
into
the
project,
a
series
of
amenities
that
is
on
par
with
some
comparable
market
rate
housing,
which
will
include
on-site
leasing,
as
well
as
a
fully
amenitized
residence
lounge
fitness
center,
a
mail
room
as
well
as
outdoor
seating,
and
then
the
big
part
is
making
sure
the
project
is
officially
parked
so
that
the
residents
and
the
commercial
tenants
have
easy
access
to
parking
and
with
regard
to
that
commercial
space,
the
goal
is
to
partner
with
some
local,
non-profit
or
community
development
entity
and
lease
that
to
them
at
a
below
market
rate
next
class.
H
Please,
as
what
was
previously
shared.
We
are
looking
at
this
project
to
be
truly
mixed
income
and
so
of
that
10
or
approximately
21
units
will
be
at
60
ami.
H
Another
22
units
will
also
be
at
60,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
this
portion
of
the
project,
the
expectation
is
that
we
will
get
a
commitment
from
the
asheville
housing
authority
for
project-based
vouchers
for
these
units.
That
goes
a
long
way
in
helping
the
financing
plan
of
the
project.
H
H
So,
overall,
based
on
our
current
underwriting
we're
looking
at
just
over
a
51
million
dollar
project,
we're
going
to
finance
this
with
a
combination
of
conventional
debt
and
private
equity
in
conjunction
with
obviously
having
to
land
as
a
subsidy,
we're
also
committing
to
having
a
30-year
deed
restriction
which
exceeds
the
city's
policy
of
20
years
next
slide.
Please.
H
So
for
our
timeline,
previously,
we,
you
know
we
had
the
update
just
to
bring
the
committee
members
up
to
date
on
the
project
coming
out
of
this
meeting,
assuming
we
getting
approval,
we
are
planning
to
go
before
city
council
and
seek
their
approval
next
week
on
the
23rd
of
august
and
with
their
approval,
we
will
then
kind
of
commence
into
the
rezoning
process,
which
we
will
we're,
anticipating
that
that
will
take
us
up
till
first
quarter
of
2023
a
point
of
receiving
a
rezoning
approval,
along
with
final
approval
of
our
purchase
and
sales
agreement.
H
We
will
commence
on
doing
all
of
our
building
design
with
the
goal
of
closing
this
transaction
and
started
construction.
Fourth
quarter
of
2023.
H
G
Ryan,
if
I
may
chime
in
there,
I
just
want
to
clarify
on
this
live
in
first
quarter
of
2023.
Initially,
when
we
were
doing
this
underwriting,
we
were
anticipating
having
in
housing,
trust
fund
requests
and
a
tax
grant
request.
G
We
have
worked
hard
with
your
staff
to
try
to
reduce
the
subsidy
needed
in
this
deal
to
only
include
the
land.
So
while
that
line
reflects
that,
if
there
were
a
subsidy
request,
we
would
be
bringing
that
to
you
simultaneous
with
the
conditional
rezoning
and
all
the
other
approvals
that
you
would
be
asked
to
make.
But
currently
we
do
not
anticipate
a
luige
or
a
housing.
Trust
fund
ask.
B
B
I'm
trying
to
keep
track
of
like
subsidies
and
overall
projects
before
billy
billion
square
foot.
Did
you
guys
have
like
a
little
square
foot,
because
one
thing
that
both
you
and
staff
came
to
mind
is
you
know
the
first
week
that
we
thought,
maybe
300
or
so
units
might
be
good
for
the
site.
Now
you've
got
such
a
mix
of
bedrooms
or
really,
if
we
look
at
bedrooms
over
300
bedrooms,
which
is
great,
I'm
just
looking
for
the
kind
of
a
total
square
footage
or
rough
estimate.
If
you
have
one.
G
G
But
you
are
correct
councilmember
that
our
unit
count
probably
looks
slower
than
some
unit.
Some
development
scenarios
you've
seen
previously
our
bedroom
count
is
very
consistent.
B
It's
worth
mentioning,
this
is
something
I
know
this
could
be
another
council
members
have
spoken
to
the
lack
of
multiple
bedroom
units
coming
to
us,
so
this
is
a
wonderful
addition.
H
Yeah
and
we
tried
diligently
with
our
design
team
and
getting
feedback
from
staff
that
the
city
had
a
high
desire
for
units
dedicated
towards
family,
especially
at
the
affordability
levels.
And
so
we
were
sensitive
that
as
we
developed
our
design.
E
Great
so
again
for
for
the
hcd
committee.
Today
we
are
seeking
for
an
action
and
then
with
the
anticipation
of
going
to
council
tuesday
of
next
week.
It's
all
turned
over
to
one.
B
More
brock.
Okay,
sorry,
thank
you.
I
just
have
one
more
broad
question:
are
you
all
a
affordable
like
a?
I
don't
know
what
you
call
the
title:
the
qualified
developer
for
tax
credit
projects.
I
think
you
are
I'm
just
curious
with
that
here
and
I
think
our
rfp
really
spoke
to
wanting
mixed
income,
and
that
may
be
why
you
want
this
route,
but
I'm
curious
if
you
consider
doing
a
litec
program
here
that
would
make
all
of
the
units
affordable
or
if
that
was
just
not
feasible,
with
this
particular
parcel.
G
I
think
it
was.
We
were
responding
to
what
we
understood
the
city's
desire
to
be
in
many
respects.
When
you
look
at
the
us
as
us
being
a
neighbor.
If
you
will
to
the
redevelopment
of
lee
walker
heights,
we
believe
that
this
mixed
income
structure,
which
brings
in
some
market
units
along
with
some
affordability,
is
a
good
kind
of
neighbor
to
what
you
have
next
door,
so
as
to
not
over
concentrate
affordability
at
any
one
location,
but
still
make
sure
we're
creating
opportunities
and
access,
as
well
as
kind
of
a
mixed
income
living
environment.
B
C
C
Please
go
ahead.
I'm
going
to
recommend
that
the
city
of
ask
that
the
national
city
council
authorized
the
city
manager
to
negotiate
and
enter
into
a
purchase
and
sales
agreement
with
laurel
street
residential
for
the
development
of
319
billboard.
B
A
C
B
Congratulations
to
everyone,
that's
working
for
so
many
years,
and
thank
you
to
the
development
team
for
being
here
today.
We're
thrilled
to
get
to
this
point
and
I
think
that's
all
we
need
from
y'all
today,
you're
welcome
to
sit
and
listen
to
the
rest
of
the
meeting,
but
we
appreciate
your
time
and
energy
this
morning
and
all
the
work
over
the
weekend
as
well.
B
D
So
while
katie's
pulling
that
up,
I
guess
I'll
begin
so
this
we
discussed
this
at
your
last
meeting
or
you
all
discussed
this
at
your
last
meeting.
This
is
a
housing
trust
fund
request
for
mountain
housing
opportunities
for
16
restaurant
court.
D
This
is
on
a
similar
track
to
319
bill
moore,
looking
possibly
for
a
vote
today,
and
then
he
would
move
on
to
council
next
week.
Next,
so
bound
housing
is
requesting
850
000
for
purchasing
16
restaurant
court
and
they
are
requesting
a
loan
at
zero
percent
interest
and
deferred
for
a
period
of
40
years
secured
with
a
deed
of
trust.
D
D
So,
as
I
started
to
say,
this
project
is
for
50
to
60
new,
affordable
rental
apartments.
This
would
be
a
low
income
tax
credit
project.
16
restaurant
court
is
right
there
off
of
tunnel
road,
very
close
to
many
jobs,
transit,
grocery
stores
and
other
retail.
The
site
is
approximately
1.31
acres.
D
So
this
is
the
site
there
was
a
previous
development
proposed
at
this
site,
but
it
didn't
finish
the
zoning
process
and
has
kind
of
been
on
hold
and
mhl
is
proposing
to
buy
this
from
that
owner.
Next
now
this
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
change.
This
we've
been
in
discussions
with
mho
that
we
would
they
would
commit
to
an
affordability
of
40
years.
D
D
D
So,
as
I
said
before,
this
site
did
was
a
previously
approved
for
a
housing
trust
fund
loan
of
a
million
dollars.
That
money
was
never
that
agreement
was
never
closed.
D
D
D
So
and
here's
the
mix
of
one
bedroom,
one
and
two
bedrooms
and
the
income
mix
thereof,
the
majority
of
units
are
in
that
60
ami
category,
but
there
are
30
and
40
percent
amis
as
well.
Next.
D
D
In
our
analysis,
you
know
this
project
is
in
a
great
location.
Land
acquisition
is
an
eligible
expense
under
the
housing
trust
fund
policy.
It's
not
something
we
often
see-
and
you
know
this
proposal
is
a
little
bit
different
because
we're
there
at
the
very
beginning
of
this
process
and
do
not
have
other
commitments
from
other
partners.
D
So
the
current
proposals
for
850
000,
the
subsidy
per
unit,
is
17
000..
Our
policy
says
that
the
subsidy
per
unit
should
be
20
000
per
unit.
D
If
they
came
back
for
that,
additional
funding,
which
is
about
1.5
million
it's
over
our
1
million
threshold
and
the
subsidy
would
be
around
30
000
per
unit
overall
big
picture:
that's
not
a
bad
subsidy
per
unit.
You
know
for
our
market
and
and
current
costs
that
are
happening
in
affordable
housing
and
given
the
affordability
mix
and
the
foster
the
units
for
folks
coming
out
of
foster
care,
it
seems
a
reasonable
number.
D
D
The
one
thing
I
do
and
janice
is
here
as
well,
and
one
thing
about
our
policy
is
that
it
does
say
it's
very
clear
that
some
form
of
payback
is
required.
So
there
are,
there
is
some
wording
under
special
terms
that
waiver
can
be
considered
if
extremely
low
income
households
are
being
served
by
the
project
and
it
couldn't
be
developed
without
that
concession
and
mhs
telling
us
that
this
is
true
for
this
project.
D
D
So
the
other
piece
of
the
policy
is
that
funding
commitments
should
be
secured
from
other
sources
before
the
closing
since
they're
on
a
they
are
on
a
short.
My
understanding
is,
they
are
in
a
kind
of
a
short
window
of
the
property
being
under
contract,
so
that
wouldn't
be
possible
for
this
project.
But
what
we've
done
worked
with
mho
is
that
this
property
would
be
secured
with
a
deed
of
trust.
D
City
would
be
in
first
position
until
there's
other
lenders
in
place,
and
we've
also
discussed-
and
I
put
this
in
the
staff
report-
we've
discussed
a
an
agreement
that
whereby,
if
they
didn't
start
construction
within
three
years
of
buying
the
property
that
they
would
have
to
sell
it-
and
I
think
we've
had
some
discussions
with
mho
just
to
let
you
all
know
we
can
you
all
can
discuss
this
with
them.
D
D
So
saf's
recommending
approval
of
this.
You
know
it's.
D
It's
does
not
exactly
fit
our
policy
and
we
don't
have
you
know
other
partners
in
yet,
but,
given
you
know
the
deed
of
trust,
and
we
have
some
security
that
we
can
get
that
money
back
if
this
project
doesn't
work
out,
staff
is
comfortable
with
that
and
mho
is
committed
to
securing
investments
from
other
partners
before
they
come
back
to
the
city
for
a
few,
any
future
requests-
and
you
know
we're
committing
to
looking
at
other.
D
You
know
our
housing
trust
fund
policy
over
the
next
few
months
and
benchmarking
against
other
cities
and
trying
to
update
our
policy
as
well.
We're
we're
not
in
a
great
position
with
our
policy
right
now
in
terms
of
the
new
market
and
new
conditions
and
how
you
know
things
have
changed
in
the
landscape
of
affordable
housing.
D
I
think
that's
the
end
of
my
presentation.
Katie.
Is
there
one
more
so
this
was
just
the
key
takeaway
slides
again,
yes,
so,
and
I
think
we
have,
if
there's
any
questions
for
me,
I
can
take
those.
I
think
we've
got
slides
from
mountain
housing
that
katie
can
pull
up
as
well.
B
Okay,
first
question:
so
if
I'm
incorrect
in
that,
if
it's
a
li-tech
project
that
the
affordability
term
is
forever,
there's
a
40-year
term
that
was
mentioned,
but
are
li-tech
projects
not
in
perpetuity
affordable
or
do
they
age
out
as
well?
They
do
thank
you
so
when
that'll,
okay,
okay,
so
they're
committing
to
40
years
and
then
potentially
like
a
land
banking
opportunity
per
se,
because
we're
not
sure
if
the
other
funds
would
come
through
or
so
on.
B
We
won't
know,
certainly
not
today,
before
a
vote,
so
we
ever
done
anything
like
this,
or
would
we
normally
land
and
own
it
ourselves.
B
B
Yeah,
well
essentially,
it
feels
like
land,
banking
right,
we're
saying
we
don't
know.
If
this
project
can
come
to
fruition,
we
clearly
have
a
developer
more
than
capable
to
get
it
there.
You
know
with
their
history
track
record,
but
if
they're,
relying
on
funding
in
that
capital
stack
that
hasn't
even
begun
their
process
are
we?
B
Well?
I
guess
I'm
just
a
little
concerned.
I
think
you've
highlighted
the
same
concern.
I
have
in
your
list
of
pros
and
cons,
so
I
guess
I'm
just
a
little
concerned
about
the
city
being
asked
to
purchase
the
land
before
the
other
funding
is
potentially
in
place,
and
so,
if
I've
heard
from,
let
me
make
sure
I
understand
so
they.
What
would
happen
is
if
this
didn't
work
out.
B
D
I
think
that's
the
idea,
so
basically
they
would
buy
the
property
and
the
clock
would
start
of
three
years
to
begin
construction.
Now
they
are
applying
for
tax
credits
and
you
don't
always
get
your
tax
credits
on
your
first
application.
So
that
may
take
a
few
cycles
and
I
think
the
point
is
that
or
the
idea
is
that
if
they
got
tax
credit
approval
within
that
three
years,
but
hadn't
started
construction,
yet
that
we
could
extend
that.
D
C
So
I
was
looking
at
other
municipalities
that
have
housing
trust
funds
and
how
they
use
them,
and
it
looks
like
charlotte,
actually
in
their
housing.
Trust
fund
has
a
special
delineation
for
processes
such
as
this.
So
maybe,
when
we
look
into
changing
our
policies
for
luige
or
housing
trust
fund,
we
can
consider
circumstances
under
which
doling
funds
for
housing
for
land
acquisition
would
be
permissible.
D
B
B
I
see
jeffrey
did
you
all
want
to
share
some
slides
or
you
just
hear
very.
I
wasn't
sure
if
there
was
a
presentation
or
just
discussion
for
you.
D
K
Well,
while
we're
getting
the
slides
up
here,
we
go.
I
just
want
to
introduce
myself,
I'm
jeffrey
barton,
director
of
real
estate
development
at
mountain
housing
opportunities,
and
we
have
other
members
of
our
development
team
here
as
well.
K
And
we're
also
joined
off
screen
by
cindy
visnich
weeks,
our
director
of
community
investments
and
also
listening
in
as
ritual
and
our
senior
real
estate
developers.
So
we're
very
excited
to
be
here
today.
Thank
you,
sasha
and
all
staff
and
council
members
for
entertaining
our
request
for
housing.
Trust
fund
loan
to
assist
with
land
acquisition
for
this
property
sasha
really
covered
the
the
high
points
of
what
we're
proposing.
So
we
won't
belabor
this.
K
We
just
have
a
few
slides
and
then
happy
to
take
questions
from
committee
members
really
what
this
is
all
about
and
councilwoman
mosley.
Thank
you
for
that
distinction
between
land,
banking
and
land
acquisition.
That's
exactly
right.
There
is
currently
this
piece
of
property
that
is
for
sale
and
we
are
under
contract
to
purchase
it
with
the
intention
to
immediately
mobilize
into
a
development
proposal.
So
site
acquisition
is
the
very
first
piece
of
the
development
process
and
land
banking
is
sort
of.
K
You
know
at
opportune
times
when
land
becomes
available
that
we
know
might
be
appropriate
sometime
in
the
future,
for
housing
than
funding
would
use
for
that.
So
we're
really
asking
for
an
early
partnership
with
the
city
on
land
acquisition
and
the
as
sasha
mentioned,
with
the
time.
The
timeline
that
would
be
built
into
the
vita
trust
that
we,
our
intention,
is
to
mobilize
into
a
development
proposal
on
this
property.
K
So
the
last
point
on
this
slide
is
that
the
city's
investment
on
purchasing
the
property
would
then
leverage
outside
investment
through
the
tax
credit
program
at
minimum
6
million,
which
would
reflect
60
percent
of
the
project
costs.
And
I
say
at
minimum,
because
that
is
built
on
the
model
that
we
included
in
our
trustman
application,
which
is
a
four
percent
tax
credit
model,
and
there
is
potential
for
the
the
nine
percent
tax
credit
which
brings
in
more
equity.
So
next
slide.
K
K
The
site
itself
is,
as
sasha
mentioned,
very,
very
well
located
close
to
jobs
and
transit.
It
aligns
very
closely
with
the
recently
adopted
tunnel
road
corridor
study
to
incentivize
housing
units
along
the
tunnel
road
corridor.
I
think
that
quarter
study
said
there
are
only
244
residents
in
the
immediate
tunnel
road
corridor,
and
that
is
far
less
than
the
number
of
jobs
supported
in
that
quarter.
K
So
on
the
right,
you'll
see
the
larchmont
apartments
that
mho
built
off
of
merman
avenue
very
similar
type
of
development,
not
right
on
merriman
avenue,
but
one
parcel
removed
or
two
parcels
removed
from
merriman
avenue
and
providing
a
great
opportunity
for
low-income
families
to
have
a
walkable
environment,
transit-oriented,
environment
and
access
to
all
the
communities
services
surrounding.
So
this
parcel
restaurant
court
we
see
is
very
similar
next
slide.
K
And
to
summarize
and
circle
back
to
the
you
know:
housing
trust
fund
policy.
This
is
an
allowable
use
of
housing,
trust
fund
policy,
but
there
isn't
a
whole
lot
of
guidance,
so
we
encourage
you,
as
councilwoman
mosley
clearly
has
done
to
look
at
what
other
cities
are
doing
in
responding
to
this
critical
time
in
the
explosion
of
need
for
affordable
housing
and
the
high
cost
and
the
interest
rates
that
are
making
it
harder
and
harder
to
do.
K
This
type
of
development,
so
raleigh
and
charlotte
are
looking
at
strategies
to
encourage
site
acquisition
along
transit
corridors
using
their
bond
funds
and
trust
fund
money,
and
we
certainly
you
know
we
may
be
a
little
ahead
of
the
game
here
in
asheville,
since
the
current
trust
fund
policy
doesn't
spell
out
specific
guidance,
but
this
project
could
be
a
pilot
to
see
how
these
types
of
investments
can
help
the
city
realize
its
goals
for
affordable
housing,
and
I
will
also
note
that
it
as
sort
of
an
early
investment
it
gives
the
city
some
opportunity
to
ask
for
things
like
extended
affordability,
you
know
commitment
to
40-year.
K
Affordability
is
in
some
of
these
other
cities.
Policies
for
site
acquisition,
so
I
think
that's
city
staff
has
really
keyed
into
how
these
early
site
acquisition
investments
can
work
and-
and
I
think
we
have
a
really
great
deal
to
collaborate
and
bring
a
good
development
to
the
community.
So
with
that
I'll
just
you
know
happy
to
entertain
questions
from
the
committee
members.
K
The
the
short
answer
is,
we
don't
know
yet
it
would
be
appropriate
for
either
and
we
submitted
our
application,
and
since
you
have
to
submit
a
pro
forma,
we
opted
to
submit
the
four
percent
which
is
non-competitive
would
likely
have
to
be
combined
with
another
site.
But
we
we
just
we
don't
know.
We
know
that
it
meets
the
criteria
for
the
tax
credit
program
and
would
take
all
the
boxes
for
nchfa,
so
that
you
know
gives
us
the
confidence
that
either
mechanism
could
be
used.
L
And
I'll
add
to
that
that
I
think
we
submitted
this
project
preliminarily,
even
though
we're
unsure
which
path
it
will
take.
We
submitted
it
as
a
four
percent
to
kind
of
prepare
you
all
and
the
rest
of
our
funders
for
what
you
know
potentially
is
kind
of
the
worst
case
scenario.
As
far
as
you
know,
tax
credit
leverage.
B
Could
you
speak
a
little
bit
to
why
there
are
no
other
commitments
before
us?
I
mean
that
being
a
the
policy
that
you're
not
able
to
meet
it
looks
like
there's
a
you
know:
the
three
million
dollar
request
to
other
entities
in
the
region,
and
I
guess
could
you
see
why
that
is
approach
them
and
what
happens
if
they
do
not
fund
this
project.
K
Sure
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
in
a
couple
of
different
ways:
buncombe
county's,
affordable
housing
support
program
cycle
is
a
once
a
year
cycle
and
that
will
not
open
up
again
until
december,
and
so
this
property
being
in
such
a
desirable
location,
our
option
period
didn't
extend
to
you
know
through
the
buncombe
county
funding
cycle.
So
that's
the
reason
we
have
not
yet
applied
for
buncombe
county,
affordable
housing,
support
program
in
support
of
this,
and
then
I
guess
you
know.
K
The
other
aspect
of
our
original
request
was
to
also
assist
with
pre-development,
as
I
think
you've
heard
from
other
developers
in
previous
hcv
meetings.
Redevelopment
is
extremely
expensive
and
it's
become
more
so
we've
eliminated
that
request
of
the
city,
because
in
the
meantime,
between
last
hcd
and
this
hcd
meeting,
we
have
put
in
a
grant
application
to
dogwood
to
help
with
the
pre-development
costs.
K
We
don't
know
if
that
will
get
funded,
it's
not
a
guarantee,
but
that
you
know
we
identified
that
as
a
potential
partner
on
the
pre-development
side
of
making
this
a
viable
tax
credit
property.
If
that
funding
falls
through
it
will
not
prohibit
mho
from
moving
forward.
It
will
just
you
know,
we'll
we'll
have
to
pay
for
pre-development
ourselves,
but
I
I
think,
did
I
answer
the
question
for
you.
Is
there
another
aspect
to
that.
B
Well,
the
pre-development
is
a
hundred
thousand
roughly,
but
what
neither
of
which
health
trust
or
button
county
fund
1.51
million
dollars?
What
will
happen
to
close
the
3.2
million
dollar
gap,
or
will
that
I
guess
what
I'm
asking
is?
B
Will
that
return
to
us
should,
if
you're
not
able
to
secure
the
other
funding,
or
do
you
have
a
plan
b,
because
what
I'm
a
little
nervous
about
is
that
we
are,
and
I'm
going
to
use
the
word
landing
again,
because
we're
going
to
invest
in
something
to
hold
it,
to
hope
that
it
comes
together
later
and
if
it
doesn't,
that
may
mean
you
come
back
to
us
and
I'm
not
sure
you
know
what
that
does
for
the
per
unit
stuff
and
so
on.
But
do
you
have
a
backup
plan?
K
Yeah,
I
mean
we
have
an
a
a
plan,
a
b
c
and
d,
which
is
why
I
think
we
said
this
site
is
appropriate
for
both
the
four
percent
and
the
nine
percent
tax
credit.
I
think
the
time
mechanism
built
into
the
deed
of
trust
is
really
the
city's
safety
valve
on
recouping
the
upfront
investment
in
the
the
site
acquisition
which
again
you
know
this
is
site.
Acquisition
is
not
land,
banking
per
se.
K
We
know
that
the
site
meets
all
the
criteria
of
the
current
buncombe
county
policy,
but
we
also,
you
know,
respect
the
once
a
year
timeline
for
their
funding
to
support
projects
like
this.
So
if
the
city
supports
our
request
and
we're
able
to
purchase
this
property,
there
will
absolutely
be
a
an
ahsb
application
to
the
county
in
their
next
cycle,
but
you
know
again
you're
right.
Those
funds
are
competitive.
It
may
take
more
than
one
cycle
to
acquire
the
funding.
So
really
it's
it's.
K
C
Because
I
will
say
one
of
my
concerns
with
not
taking
it
off
the
market
is
who
comes
behind
if
mho
does
not
acquire
the
property,
I
think
that's
the
perfect
place
for
something
commercial
and
if
we
want
to
have
affordable
housing.
I
think
we
have
this
moment
in
time
to
make
it
happen
and
jeff
jeffrey
correct
me
if
I'm
mistaken,
but
didn't
the
county
also
already
agreed
to
fund
mho
for
land
acquisition
in
arden.
C
So
we
wouldn't
be
the
first
in
the
county
to
give
money
for
land
acquisition
for
affordable
housing.
K
That's
right:
okay,
yeah!
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
up
the
site
that
we
have
in
the
current
tax
credit
cycle.
We
applied
for
four
percent
tax
credits
for
120
units
in
arden,
just
a
tenth
of
a
mile
outside
of
the
city
limit.
So
you
know
we'll
see
plenty
of
city
workers
living
there,
but
it's
not
in
the
city
limits
they're,
not
eligible
for
housing,
trust
fund,
the
county
through
their
arpa
funding,
supported
that
project
site
acquisition.
K
We
also
have
been
supported
on
a
project
outside
of
buncombe
county
for
site
acquisition
by
dogwood
health
trust.
So
it's
not
an
unusual
place
for
a
housing
partner
to
assist
with,
especially
in
you
know,
the
current
climate,
it's
the
most
important
investment
to
make
to
ensure
development
for
affordable
housing.
C
How
many
organizations
like
mho
are
there
in
the
state?
C
You
know
what
I
mean
like
that:
perf
provide
total
affordability
in
a
non-profit
manner.
How
many
are
there
in
north
carolina.
K
So
nonprofit,
affordable
housing,
you
know
kind
of
holistic,
affordable
housing
developers,
there's
really
not
many
there
to
to
be
a
tax
credit
developer.
You
can
be
a
for-profit
entity
but
non-profits
across
the
state.
Really
three
primary
ones
come
to
mind.
There
are
several
others,
but
dhic
and
raleigh
dream
key
partners
in
charlotte
and
mountain
housing
opportunities.
K
You
know
have
kind
of
the
capacity
and
robust
track
record
of
delivering
tax
credit
projects.
There
are
others,
you
know,
certainly
other
great
nonprofit
developers
in
our
region,
givens
that
focuses
on
senior
housing,
western
carolina,
housing,
partnership
and
others.
So
you
know
there,
there
are
other
developers
like
us,
but
in
terms
of
you
know,
having
the
the
number
of
programs
and
kind
of
the
robust
commitment
to
emergency
repair,
home
ownership
and
rental
development.
I'd
say
those
three
that
I
mentioned.
A
B
M
Sorry,
sorry,
I
don't
know
it's
janice
ashley.
I
just
needed
a
clarification.
If
the
council
members
don't
have
any
more
questions,
but
I
just
wanted
to
know
the
term
because
I
have
to
write
the
documents
so
the
terms
of
the
loan
one
more
time
sasha.
You
said
the
850
at
zero
percent
interest
for
40
years,
but
you
said
something
about
now.
Sometimes
you
think
you
don't
have
to
repayment.
There's
no
repayment!
D
That
that's
not
been
always
totally
clear.
I'll
be
honest.
I
I
think
that's
where
in
I
was
having
a
discussion
with
legal
yesterday
around
this
issue
of
loans
versus
grants,
and
I
think
we
have
to
if
that's
what
we
have
to
do
legally,
then
that's
what
we
have
to
do.
You
know
I
mean
jeffrey.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
any
right
now.
The
pro
forma
is
not
showing
repayment.
During
that
you
know
it
is
fully
deferred
into
the
40
years
and.
M
That
was
my
question
because
we
can
certainly
we've
done
many
that
are
deferred
for
the
full
term,
but
it's
due
and
payable
at
the
end
or
upon
sale.
Sometimes
these
projects
sell-
I
don't
think
mho
does
so
jeffrey
at
the
clarification.
The
request
is
deferred
for
the
40
years
than
do
and
payable
at
the
end
of
the
40
years.
M
K
K
Local
soft
debt
is
that,
at
the
end
of
the
term,
there's
usually
a
restructuring
of
the
financing,
sometimes
there's
a
rehab
that
is
necessary
and
so
there'll
be
a
pursuit
of
rehab
financing
that
could
pay
off
the
city.
Sometimes
we'll
ask
the
city
or
the
county
or
other
partners
to
extend
their
commitment
at
that
point
of
rehabilitation
of
the
property.
So
it's
kind
of
this.
That's
the
typical
mechanism
for
municipalities
to
invest
in
a
soft
loan,
that's
deferred
where
you
know
it's
not
fully
paid
off
during
the
term
of
the
loan.
N
I
just
wanted
to
to
clarify
with
the
with
nikki
and
sasha
that
we
are
recommending
pay
back
at
the
end
of
the
40
years.
I
just
want.
I
want
staff
to
clarify
that.
That's
where
we,
as
I
recall,
landed,
nikki
or
sasha.
D
B
Okay,
I
have
a
question,
but
it's
not
related
to
that
any
other
comments
about
the
particular
legality
of
that
component
mho
folks.
We
have
just
heard
a
project
before
you
and
we
were
sharing
our
excitement
that
some
of
the
units
would
be
three-bedroom.
Can
you
speak
to
why?
Maybe
there
are
no
three
bedrooms
in
this?
Are
you
just
stuck
with
a
one
in
two
bedroom.
K
I
think
for
this
site
it
was
a
factor
of
the
size
and
the
proximity
to
tunnel
road.
You
know
we
we
like
to
and
are
encouraged
to
see
the
city
supporting
family
units,
the
larger
bedroom
size
units
for
this
particular
site,
especially
with
the
special
population
that
we
intend
to
serve
the
youth
aging
out
of
foster
care.
A
mix
of
one
and
two
bedrooms
seemed
more
appropriate.
K
C
Interested
me
or
caught
my
attention
about
this
particular
development
is
the
need
for
housing
for
foster
children,
so
I
was
looking
at
foster
children
through
a
racial
equity
lens,
and
I
kind
of
already
knew
where
it
would
lead
me,
because
in
every
category
it
seems
something
like
this
is
the
case
that
black
and
brown
children
are
disproportionately
amongst
those
children
in
the
foster
care
system.
So
the
last
data
I
could
come
up
with
was
from
2018,
which
showed
that
14.
C
23
of
kids
in
foster
care
are
black
and
brown
children.
So
that's
it
breaks
my
heart
to
really
even
think
about
that
in
latino.
In
you
know,
hispanic
21
percent
of
the
foster
care
system-
I
don't
know
of
another
project
in
the
area
that
has
specifically
had
these
children
in
mind.
C
C
J
K
Certainly
a
great
question
we
are,
we
would
be
working
with
the
housing
authority
who
would
be
the
entity
that
administers
the
vouchers,
but
we
have
committed
to
assisting
them
with
the
application
process
and
a
lot
of
the
leg
work
entailed
to
do
that.
I
would
and
then.
In
addition,
our
early
collaboration
with
buncombe
county
health
and
human
services
is
who
we're
going
to
be
relying
on
to
kind
of
figure
out
the
referral
mechanisms
and
that's
a
great
opportunity
to
apply
a
racial
equity
lens
as
allowed
under
the
voucher
program.
J
K
Yes,
that
will
be
a
key
part
of
the
programming.
As
we
build
the
massing
for
this
site.
There
will
be
some
meeting
space
to
allow
social
workers
to
meet
with
clients
on
site.
K
In
addition
to
kind
of
the
standard,
leasing,
office
and
other
site
amenities,
we
will
we'll
seek
direction
from
the
social
service
providers
on
exactly
how
that
space
should
be
configured.
But
in
our
mind
it's
been
just
a
dedicated
kind
of
landing
spot
for
service
providers
to
meet
with
their
clients,
on
site
and
outside
of
their
unit.
Importantly,.
C
And
another
thing
that
was
important
to
me
that
I
don't
know
that
I've
heard
other
developers
discuss
is
the
fact
that
there
will
be
units
set
aside
for
this
particular
group,
the
differentiation
that
I'm
making
there
is.
We
typically
have
developers
coming
to
us
saying
they
will
accept
the
voucher,
which
is
technically
different
from
saying
they
will
set
aside
a
certain
number
of
units.
So
this
is
something
also
new
that
mho
is
proposing
to
do
dedicated
units
set
aside
for
those
in
the
foster
care
or
aging
out
of
the
foster
care
system.
K
Likely
not
they're
they're
likely
not
going
to
be
project-based
vouchers,
but
we
have
worked
with
a
variety
of
programs
administered
at
the
state
level
to
house
special
needs
tenants
and
so
we've
kind
of
worked
out
how
the
referral
programs
work
for
targeted
populations,
and
this
would
just
be
a
new
subset
of
that
target
population
and
they
would
come
with
the
voucher
to
that
unit.
But
it
would
likely
not
be
project
based.
J
I
have
another
question
I
kind
of
want
to
go
back
to
land
acquisition.
A
housing
bond
program
is
very
clear
when
it
comes
to
acquisition.
How
many
dollars
are
left
there?
Does
it?
Does
it
not
cover
their
ass.
D
B
Land
banking
funds
would
be
us
banking
to
land
and
owning
it,
not
right
just
a
little
bit,
and
that's
why
I
was
the
land
banking
like
from
the
eyes
of
practicing.
All
this
is
acquisition
from
the
city
it's
fallen
apart.
This
is
a
disposition.
B
Sorry
land
banking.
I
guess
I'm
having
some
concerns
overall
about
the
timing.
B
I
think,
like
a
project
of
the
mission,
I
think
that
I
us
probably
one
of
our
strongest
affordable
housing
developers
in
the
community
and
if
anybody
has
the
tenacity
to
pull
this
off,
it's
probably
them,
however,
we're
so
clear
on
not
being
the
first
ahead
and
not
knowing
those
funders,
and
I
took
the
initiative
over
the
weekend
to
reach
out
to
some
of
the
other
potential
funders
to
see
if
it
was
on
the
radar
and
learn
more
about
their
timelines,
and
it
sounds
like
the
county
is
expecting
a
very
competitive
february
application
cycle
and
those
will
be
awarded
in
roughly
april
of
23
and
then
allocated
summer
summer
and
fall,
but
they
alluded
an
email
that
it
wouldn't
be
uncompetitive
based
on
the
subsidy
per
unit.
B
So
I'm
a
little
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
fully
understanding
what
happens
on
our
side.
So
if
the
funding
doesn't
come
from
other
local
supporters,
so
we
are
saying
we
do
this
today
or
this
council
recommends
and
we
purchase
the
land.
But
I
made
show
in
this
case
owns
it
then
they're
we're
giving
them
three-year
timeline
from
that
date
to
get
things
moving.
B
A
B
I'm
just
concerned
about
the
others
what
it
means
for
us
if
we're
up
front
other
funds
aren't
behind
it
and
that's
just
my
concern
for
questions
or
comments
from
development,
team
or
staff.
I
think
there's
some
callers
and
if
you.
B
M
Go
ahead,
it's
sage
just
following
up
on
your
question.
So
if,
if
you
do
want
to
add
as
a
term
that
we
would
have
some
kind
of
right
of
first
refusal
or
we
could
keep
the
land
or
they
could
sell
it,
it
might
be
an
important
term
just
so
I
I
know
what
you're
going
to
expect
in
that
deed,
the
deed
of
trust
document
or
the
that
we'll
be
writing.
M
So
if
that
is
important,
I
mean
they
could
probably
sell
it
for
more
than
you
know
in
a
few
years,
but
even
then
that,
but
we
might
have
an
interest
in
holding
on
to
it
for
other,
for
you
know,
affordable
development.
Sometimes
it
takes
longer
for
us
to
get.
You
know
as
we've
just
seen
with
319
biltmore,
we
own
the
land,
but
it
takes
a
while
to
get
the
developers
to
come
back
in
so
except
you
know.
I
don't
know.
B
Yeah,
that's
kind
of
where
we're
getting
it
because
I'm
10
years
to
do
affordable
housing
and
let's
say
this-
doesn't
work
out.
Then
it's
just
old,
then
we're
back
where
we
started
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
retain
property
and
maybe
it's
you
know
it
can
be.
That's
the
full
council,
I'm
not
suggesting
we
add
that
today
or
anything
I'm
just
kind
of
brainstorming
around
it.
B
Okay,
I
do
think
we
have
some
quick
comments.
There's
someone
on
this
to
you
any
other
questions.
I
see
someone
kept.
D
I
Nice
meeting
everyone
nice
meeting,
you
I
was
wondering
if
there
was
a
city
entity
that
could
purchase
the
land
and
then
provide
an
option
to
mho,
as
opposed
to
helping
the
nhl
orchestra
land
outright.
I
And
so
the
city
maintains
ownership.
It
gives
mho
a
certain
number
or
a
certain
time
period
to
pursue
their
various
financing
sources,
but
the
city
still
owns
the
land
and
they
have
that
option
that
they
can
put
into
the
various
financing
applications
that
they're
going
to
work
on.
O
B
Thank
you
that
also
came
with
me,
and
I
just
was
like
you
have
your
hand
up.
If
you
want
to
respond
to
that.
K
Sure
yeah,
it's
an
interesting
thought.
I
you
know
what
I
would
say
is
mho
has
the
property
under
contract
as
mho
and
in
order
to
not,
you
know,
renegotiate
with
the
seller,
and
I
don't
know
that
we
could
assign
that
option
to
the
city
that
and
that
what
I'd
be
particularly
worried
about
is
just
the
time
delay
of
over
complicating
this.
You
know
we
really
need
to
have
the
site
under
under
control
to
pursue
the
the
funding
cycles,
for
you
know
the
county
and
nchfa.
I
B
I
guess
one
of
the
concerns
kevin
or
those
who
don't
know
listening
in
is
that
this
project
came
before
us
for
a
different
developer
and
we
had
a
million
dollars
to
get
off
the
ground
and
off
the
ground,
and
before
david
they
came
back
to
us
for
another.
I
think
it
was
a
million
and
a
half
saying
it's
just
simple.
Without
additional
fun,
we
find
being
extremely
cautious.
B
Now,
we've
had
this
another
very
reputable
purple
housing
different,
our
community
versus
units
as
well
to
go
away
from
this
because
enables
the
financing
is
needed
to
make
it
an
affordable.
Housing
project
sounds
like
develop
for
a
contract
with
this
developer
and
everybody
which
is
great
but
the
due
diligence
I
wish
it
could
be
longer.
I
wish
the
funders
could
be
secured
before
the
negligence
expired
and
it's
worried
that
they
don't
sell
a
part
before
that
is
echoing
through
my
concerns.
Right
now,.
N
No
problem,
thank
you
for
for
recognizing
me.
I
I
just
have
two
comments.
One
is:
we
think
that
we
are
doing
what's
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city
of
asheville,
particularly
by
allowing
mhl
to
purchase
the
land
in
terms
of
staff's
recommendation
and
having
the
necessary
callbacks
that
if
this
project
isn't
successful,
we
will
get
paid
back
period
no,
if
and
books
or
whatever
we
will
get
those
resources
back.
N
Secondly,
I
hope
that
you
are
noticing,
at
the
319
and
with
the
this,
this
particular
project
that
we
are
trying
to
connect
a
lot
of
dots
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
entire
needs
of
our
community.
By
looking
at
those
who
are
aging
out
of
foster
care
vouchers,
I
mean:
do
you?
Do
you
realize
where
we
were
three
to
four
years
ago?
Nobody
was
accepting
vouchers,
and
here
we
are
today
where
it's
almost
common
yeah
you're
gonna
accept
vouchers
not
just
for
non-profits,
but
319.
N
Laura
street
is
a
for-profit
developer,
and
every
development
in
the
past
probably
year
has
said
we're
going
to
accept
vouchers,
and
that
is
due
to
you.
All's
change
two
years
ago
in
your
policy
to
say
yeah
private
sector.
You
need
to
do
this,
so
I
think
I
I
know
this.
This
gets
really
complicated
because
we've
got
a
lot
of
per
unit
this
and
that
cost
of
that
and
so
forth.
N
But
let's
take
a
moment
to
excel
and-
and
and
you
know
I
don't
want
to
say
pat
ourselves
on
the
back,
but
what
I
do
want
to
say
is
that
we
are
making
progress
and
I
think
this
particular
project
319
and
I
hope
a
whole
lot
more
to
come
is
addressing
broader
community
needs.
So
thank
you
for
letting
me
jump
in.
B
So,
if
they're
not
properly
based
vouchers
for
these,
for
the
could
they
be
used
in
other
projects
like
they
could
be
currently
housed
with
their
boundaries
right.
This
is
a
new
voucher
system.
Foreign
other
voucher,
testing
properties
like
319,
could
foster
these
uses
or
missing.
Something
is
this
like
a
specialty.
D
K
Sure
it
would
be
new
to
our
community.
We
do
not.
Currently
the
housing
authority
does
not
currently
administer
this
particular
type
of
voucher.
We
would
be
assisting
the
housing
authority
in
securing
this
new
voucher
for
distribution
into
our
community
and
importantly,
we
would
be
providing
units
that
will
accept
them
and
space
for
the
support
services
necessary
to
help
this
population
thrive.
K
So
that's
kind
of
the
plan.
You
know,
as
the
city
manager
alluded
to
voucher
acceptance
had
been
a
huge
issue
and
still
is
that
you
know
we
still
have
a
ways
to
go
on
it,
but
by
providing
the
units
it
gives
some
security
in
pursuing
the
vouchers
right.
K
H
K
Going
to
be
a
problem
with
where
do
these?
Where
do
these
vouchers
get
accepted?
Because
there
will
be
this
known
resource
in
the
community.
B
A
Yes,
you
do
have
two.
Thank
you.
O
A
O
P
Hello,
everybody,
this
is:
barry
bialik,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee,
as
well
as
a
local
developer
in
town.
I
just
want
to
kind
of
share
my
to
share
my
support
in
favor
of
this.
You
know
a
hack
decided
to
support
it
primarily
because
funding
has
been
dedicated
to
this
particular
land
parcel
for
a
long
time
about
the
same
amount.
I
think
it's
about
a
million
dollars.
P
So
so,
even
though
this
is
not
the
most
traditional
use
of
the
housing
trust
fund,
I
do
think
it's
a
good
use
and
I
do
think
this
project
has
been
kind
of
vetted
through
the
city
for
a
while.
I
don't
want
to
share
that.
I
also
want
to
share
from
my
with
my
developer
head
on
that
I've
been
on
this
parcel,
and
this
is
probably
one
of
the
easiest
parcels
to
develop
in
the
city
of
asheville.
It's
flat.
P
P
It's
a
great
location,
it's
easy
to
develop,
so
I
would
expect
some
of
the
fight
costs
to
be
less
than
others,
and
so
I
do
offer
my
support
as
a
developer
for
this
too,
and
I
do
think
this
is
a
good
good
thing
for
us
to
consider
the
same
way
that
bond
funds
were
allocated
towards
land
banking
there.
Well,
there
isn't
a
specific
wording
in
housing,
trust
on
policy
for
land
acquisition
assistance.
I
think
this
is
you
know
this
is
how
we
look
to
change
policies
when
good
examples
come
up.
P
So
yes,
overall,
I
would
kind
of
recommend
this
use
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
A
B
Different,
that's
all
for
the
callers
at
the
time.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
are
any
other
questions
or
comments
or
shall
we
move
to
a
motion.
C
Okay,
I'm
going
to
recommend
that
the
asheville
city
council
approve
mountain
housing
opportunities
request
for
eight
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.
Housing,
housing,
trust
fund
loan
to
construct
fifty
to
sixty
multi-family
apartments
for
households
at
or
below.
Sixty
percent
ami
at
sixteen
restaurant
court,
including
10
to
12
units
for
young
adults,
aging
out
of
foster
care.
J
B
I
know
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
share
my
comments
because
I'm
concerned
I'm
not
quite
there
yet,
and
I'm
supposed
to
be
addressed
by
that
comes
to
us
at
council.
Am
I
concerned
today
to
be
the
deferred
payment
and
the
representatives
and
the
uncertainties
of
the
other
post
back.
I
would
love
seeing
the
captain.
B
I
think
this
development
system
was
the
best
shot
at
making
things
and,
however,
I
have
concerns
about
the
capital
staff
and
I
have
to
bonus
funding
what
that
means
if
it
potentially
comes
back
to
us,
so
I'm
not
going
to
be
supporting
it
today
and
really,
hopefully,
by
the
time
it
gets
to
council,
I'm
happy
to
speak
for
the
developments
offline
later
about
additional
details.
That's
needed,
but
there's
no
other
be
moving
to
we'll
call
them
council,
our
vice
president.
F
B
Believe
that
we'll
move
on
to
council-
and
hopefully
some
things
will
come
together
that
can
encourage
national
support.
Thank
you.
One
and
you're
welcome
to
stay
on
and
listen,
otherwise,
you're
welcome
to
also
exit.
Now,
if
you
wish
and
for
those
of
you
listening
at
home,
we
have
I'm
sorry.
Was
there
a
comment?
B
E
E
What
we
are
hoping
to
achieve
here
is
that
an
annual
work
plan
for
our
hcd
committee
will
serve
as
a
useful
tool
that
will
allow
us
to
plan
and
better
organize
the
work
of
this
particular
city
council
committee
and
what
we'll
go
into
is
a
little
bit
of
just
how
these
work
plans
are
organized
with
the
combination
of
both
ongoing
administrative
items,
like
the
the
project
review
that
you've
seen
today,
as
well
as
policy
initiatives
that
will
also
include
specific
tie-in
to
some
advisory
boards
and
other
committees,
so
we'll
walk
through
that
in
just
a
second
and
really,
I
think,
keep
in
mind
that
the
the
council
committee
work
plans
are
really
intended
to
be
dynamic,
living
documents.
E
That
means
that,
as
we
really
pilot
this,
we
are
open
to
knowing
that
things
may
change,
and
we
want
to
be
cognizant
of
that
as
we
go
through
this
process.
Together
and
so
really
underscoring
the
idea
that
these
are
dynamic
living
documents,
but
will
serve
as
an
overall
guide
for
this
council
committee
as
well
as
staff,
as
well
as
our
advisory
board
members
throughout
this
fiscal
year,
and
so
this
really
is
a
pilot.
E
You
know
we're
looking
at
to
pilot
this
work
plan
development
process
with
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
and
also
there
we'll
see
that
this
committee
work
plan
then
proposes
those
linkages
to
the
advisory
boards
to
inform
those
future
policy
recommendations.
E
So
it's
great
that
we've
had
this
discussion
today,
because
I
think
it
will
then
hopefully
connect
in
terms
of
how
we
see
this
rolling
out
with
those
needed
connections
and
the
the
work
of
the
committee
at
large
except
next
slide:
katie,
okay,
so
really
now
looking
at
those
high
level
areas
of
work,
so
one
component
of
the
work
plan
includes
the
regular
and
ongoing
business
of
hcd.
E
Another
item
that
we
we
placed
here
is
really
just
timely
and
relevant
information
to
the
committee
as
the
need
arises
so
any
kind
of
business
that
really
is
within
the
scope
of
work
of
the
committee.
If
we
need
to
provide
that
timely
and
relevant
information
to
committee,
that
that
is
something
that
we
would
also
characterize
as
really
the
regular
and
ongoing
business
of
hcd.
E
E
Okay,
next
slide
there
katie
so
now
getting
into
the
specifics
of
what
that
actually
looks
like
and
what
is
what
I'm
calling
the
business
of
the
hcd
committee,
and
so,
of
course,
these
will
be
very
familiar,
so
the
ongoing
regular
business
of
hcd.
What
you'll
see
here
is
that
we
framed
it
from
the
committee's
perspective
right.
So
we
have
ongoing
land
use,
incentive,
grant
applications
and,
typically,
what
we
come
to
with
this
committee
is
to
hear
the
item
and
then
provide
that
recommendation
to
council.
E
That
is
the
same,
of
course,
with
our
housing
trust
fund
applications,
just
like
we've
seen
with
mho
the
affordable
housing
projects,
for
example
the
city
land
deal
that
was
presented
today.
That
would
be
another
component
of
the
official
business
of
the
hcd
committee,
as
well
as
the
funding
allocations
for
the
cdbg
and
home
program.
E
I
think
an
interesting
element
as
well
is
that
we're
we're
using
this
time
and
space
kind
of
what
we
did
with
319
is
that
you
know
we.
We
also
appreciate
that
opportunity
to
come
to
hcd
and
provide
feedback
sessions
as
well
as
we
know,
as
as
things
are
complicated,
especially
in
our
current
climate
with
affordable
housing.
Getting
that
early
feedback
as
well
is
another
another
element.
E
E
So
now,
let's
talk
about
the
connection
to
our
advisory
boards
and
then
what
that
means
for
really
that
higher
level
of
policy
development,
so
in
looking
at
our
landscape
of
the
advisory
boards
that
have
a
connectivity
to
hcd.
Of
course,
what
we're
seeing
here
is
is
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee,
so
you
heard
from
barry
bialick
who's
the
chair
of
that
committee
in
public
comment
earlier,
but
to
to
acknowledge
that
that
is
a
a
linkage
to
this
committee,
as
well
as
other
advisory
committees
such
as
the
neighborhood
advisory
committee.
E
Also,
I
think,
acknowledging
that
the
city,
county
and
regional
advisory
committees
also
can
be
a
needed
linkage
into
the
work
of
hcd,
so
naming
here.
The
asheville
buncombe
homeless
initiative
advisory
committee.
E
So
really
acknowledging
that
again.
This
is
a
little
bit
of
a
different
structure
of
governance,
but
seeing
that
connection
into
some
of
the
key
decisions
that
must
be
made
at
a
council
level
to
authorize
the
work
of
this
consortium,
we
also
anticipate
that
the
community
reparations
commission
will
also
have
a
needed
linkage.
E
Especially
as
it
relates
to
the
housing
focus
area
of
the
reparations
commission,
so
a
little
bit
of
of
looking
forward
here
to
really
understanding
how
we
may
want
to
connect
the
reparations
commission
with
the
work
of
hcd
as
it
relates
to
housing
and
just
going
ahead
and
acknowledging
that
needed
linkage
and
we'll
kind
of
see
how
that
shapes
up
in
the
coming
months.
As
that
work
continues.
E
So
what
we
hope
to
do
here
is
then
look
at
some
policy
areas
that
we
anticipate
reviewing
through
the
end
of
the
calendar
year
and
share
that
timeline
here.
To
really
talk
about
also
the
advisory
board.
Referral
that
really
connects
with
some
of
the
work
that
our
advisory
bodies
are
doing
so
first,
is
in
september.
E
What
we
anticipate
is
bringing
forward
to
hcd
our
recommendations
regarding
the
allocation
of
the
remaining
bond
dollars,
the
remaining
affordable
housing
bond
dollars,
and
with
that
we
hope
to
go
to
the
september
meeting
of
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
to
really
vet
those
recommendations
and
have
that
conversation
with
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
to
take
specific
action
around
this
particular
policy
direction.
E
Right
so
really
connecting
strong
with
the
idea
of
having
the
a
hack
committee
serve
as
that
advisory
body
on
policies
and
really
allow
that
to
factor
in
on
the
remaining
allocation
of
the
bond
dollars.
So
that's
going
to
happen
in
the
september
time
frame,
then.
The
next
component
here
is
in
october,
looking
at
a
code
purple
and
so
again
we're
really
trying
to
find
some
avenues
for
connection
with
our
other
committees,
and
so
I'm
looking
at
an
update
regarding
code
purple
funding
allocations.
E
Some
of
that
planning
is
has
begun
now
and
so
really
hoping
to
connect
with
hcd
and
in
in
the
october
time
frame
to
look
at
the
code.
Purple
funding
allocations,
as
recommended
by
the
homeless
initiative
advisory
committee,
and
then
last.
You
know
because
we
do
see
the
need
to
really
update
our
housing
trust
fund
policy,
as
we've
seen
today,
you
know
really
describe
those
initial
changes,
initial
recommendations,
hopefully
in
the
november
time
frame,
so
that
would
be
a
review
of
the
housing
trust
policy
in
concert
with
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee.
E
So
again,
referring
that
specific
task
to
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
and
then
having
hcd
serve
as
the
body
that
reviews
that
information
reviews
that
recommendation
from
staff
within
the
lens
of
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee's
work
to
look
at
changes
to
housing
trust
fund
policy.
So
this
is
just
a
snapshot
of
what
we
hope
to
accomplish
to
the
end
of
the
year
and
with
that
I
kind
of
wanted
to
look
at
the
next
six
months
as
well
for
the
remaining
calendar
so
katie.
If
you'll
advance
the
slide.
E
We
also
wanted
to
share
some
of
the
other
business,
that
of
the
committee
that
will
require
this
level
of
of
connection
with
our
advisory
committee.
So
in
thinking
about
the
work
of
the
national
alliance
and
homelessness,
really
how
we're
going
to
have
that
work.
Tie
in
to
city
council
through
the
homeless
initiative
advisory
committee,
especially
if
there
are
funding
recommendations
that
come
out
of
that,
so
we're
hoping
to
see
that
sometime
early
next
next
calendar
year,
we've
noted
too
having
the
land
use
incentive.
E
Grant
policy
go
under
review
in
partnership
with
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
to
really
strengthen
that
policy.
Do
needed
updates
and
then
have
those
come
from
from
the
committee
to
the
hcd
committee,
home
arp
funding
allocation.
So
really
the
primary
driver
of
the
home
arp
funding
is
the
home
consortium
just
given
the
federal
frame
for
the
home.
Our
funding
allocations,
but
we
do
recognize
that
going
up
through
council
through
hcd
is
the
most
logical
fit
there.
E
Seeing
the
work
of
the
planning
department
here
with
the
missing
middle
housing
study
and
seeing
that
touch
point
with
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee.
As
the
referral
board,
we
also
have
the
affordable
housing
strategies
update
looking
at
the
community
benefits
table
again
that
our
partners
in
planning
are
working
on
and
they're,
also
reflecting
our
anticipation
of
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
initiatives
oei
for
the
reparations
alignment
of
this
committee.
E
So
this
is
a
little
bit
of
a
forecast
for
some
of
the
work
that
we
hope
to
take
on
in
kind
of
the
january
june
time
frame
of
next
year
and
just
looking
at
what
we
would
have
planned
for
this
committee
and
the
referring
boards
as
well.
N
Okay,
if
I
could
just
add
that
under
the
advisory
board
referral,
we
are
not
saying
necessarily
it's
exclusive
to
just
these
boards.
We
are
saying
that,
obviously,
this
would
be
definitely
a
first
touch
point,
but
there
may
be
other
boards
and
commissions
that
we
need
to
run
these
initiatives
well,.
E
E
We've
already
had
a
preliminary
discussion
with
ahack
on
july
7th
and
got
their
feedback
on
on
these
areas
of
work.
Then
we
can
come
back
to
hcd
in
september,
20th
to
really
present
any
necessary
revisions
and
then
for
hcd
to
consider
adoption
at
that
time
of
this.
As
being
the
formal
work
plan
of
the
committee,
then
you're,
seeing
here
we're
proposing
that
quarterly
the
advisory
boards
can
report
on
progress.
A
policy
review
work,
I
think,
with
our
with
our
timeline.
E
It
may
be
that
that's
a
good
touch
point
with
some
of
the
actual
revisions
that
we'll
see
as
well
and
then
look
at
this
experience.
E
So
I'm
excited
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
really
pilot
this
with
hcd
and
look
at
the
kind
of
robust
work
that
we're
planning
for
this
fiscal
year
next
slide,
katie
so
again,
back
to
key
takeaways.
So
really
just
looking
at
how
we
use
work
plans
to
to
guide
our
work
together.
Acknowledging,
though
that
they
are
dynamic,
they're
living
documents,
but
we
really
hope
to
pilot
this
program
really
connect
in
with
our
advisory
boards
and
see
if
we
can
do
some
good
work
together.
B
B
I
have
one
that's
just
kind
of
embedded
in
the
list,
so
the
list
the
slide,
showing
like
the
six
months,
not
just
in
the
year
affordable
housing
strategies
update,
is
in
there
just
considering,
like
you
know,
looking
back
the
2008
plan
and
stuff
some
of
the
things
that
we
had
thrown
out
at
our
I
guess
two
meetings
ago
and
we're
kind
of
brainstorming.
B
You
know
what
my
work
plan
look
like
we're,
pretty
big
items
like
would
we
look
at
99
units
instead
of
49
to
trigger
council,
or
would
there
be
some
kind
of
new
bonds
like
a
strategy
and
all
these
kind
of
big
things
right?
B
I'm
wondering
if
that's
where
all
those
fall
under
those
just
strategies,
because
my
concern
is
that,
like
it's
more
than
a
meeting-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
just
is
a
kind
of
a
snapshot
of
what
we
hope
to
look
at
but
as
some
of
those
strategies
and
eating
starts
to
happen,
like
people
are
going
to
want
to
work
on
things
for
months
ahead,
it
doesn't
seem
like
just
a
drop-in
meeting.
So
can
you
speak
to
that
at
all?
E
How
do
you
what's
your
thinking
on
that?
Absolutely
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
what
we're
seeing,
especially
as
as
again
whether
it's
projects
that
really
take
a
depth
of
understanding
a
depth
of
communication
with
our
development
partners,
questions
back
and
forth
understanding
the
desired
outcomes.
We've
had
the
opportunity
to
visit
hcd
at
least
twice.
E
I
know
for
the
319
biltmore
project
just
this
year,
so
I
do
hope
that
we
we
can
use
that
tool
to
really
come
back
to
hcd,
really
as
often
as
necessary,
to
complete
the
work
and
really
to
obtain
that
early
feedback,
so
that
we
know
we're
headed
in
the
right
direction
or
if
there
are
specific
things
that
the
committee
is
wanting
to
see
that
we
can
come
back
with
that
information
versus
yes,
just
come
with
with
something
that
that
we
you,
we
really
would
be
better
off
if
we
take
that
depth
of
time.
E
So
I
think,
while,
while
I'm
sharing
this
in
this
format,
I
think
we
do
have
to
recognize
that
it's
not
merely
just
like
a
plan
for
each
month
that
it
actually
might
be
that
we
have.
We
have
some
of
these
component
parts
that
will
come
to
hcd,
maybe
one
two
or
three
times
just
so
that
we're
able
to
get
early
feedback
do
any
refinement
and
then
and
then,
when
we're
ready-
and
we
feel
like
we
have
a
proposal
that
is,
is
fully
fully
prepped.
Then
then
actually
take
action.
N
No,
I'm
sorry,
I
I
also
wanted
to
add
that
you
know
this
work
program
is
definitely
linked
to
council
priorities
and,
as
we
come
back
with
items,
if
there
are
larger,
strategic
and
or
tactical
things
that
you
you
all
want
us
to
look
at,
you
know
this
helps
us
provide
you
all
with
almost
an
idea
of
the
scope
of
the
work
that
we're
working
on
and
the
resources
that
are
needed
to
address.
You
know
what
we
think
are
some
of
the
some
of
your
priorities
and
the
initiatives
that
support
your
priorities.
N
If,
for
example,
I
think
some
of
the
details
of
which
you
do
something
with
40
units
and
90
units
are
whatever
those
mechanics
of
things,
I
think
we
can
incorporate
those.
As
we
review
a
number
of
these
policy
initiatives,
we
can
find
those
linkages,
I
believe,
to
insert
other
things
without
it
being
abroad.
N
We're
working
on
this
specific
project.
I
think
it
can
be
embedded
in
a
number
of
the
other
initiatives
that
we
have
underway.
A
B
It
does
yes,
I
know
I
just
have
some
missions.
I
really
hope
to
work
on,
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
navigate
and
for
support
for
them,
and
so
I
appreciate
that
two
things
come
to
mind.
That
may
kind
of
one
is
just
preempts.
This
whole
process,
like
one
of
the
things
I've
wondered,
is
if
we
should
be
doing
more
of
a
cycle
of
funding
like
the
county
does,
as
opposed
to
this
open
door.
B
Come
to
us
why
I
say
that
is
because
it's
getting
harder
to
objectively
look
at
the
projects
alone
across
the
span
of
the
year
when
they're
all
so
different,
if
we're
looking
at
them
all
on
paper
and
the
same
criteria,
whether
it's
cost
per
square.
Like
I
mentioned
earlier,
you
know
that
I
think
it
might
help
us
get
better
projects
and
get
better.
I
think
it
might
even
help
the
development
teams
because
they
know
their
timeline.
B
They
know
when
to
come
to
us
et
cetera,
so
that
was
one
of
the
ideas
that
I
don't
know
how
you
throw
that
into
this
list,
so
I'm
just
putting
out
there.
The
other
thing
that
came
to
mind
that
would
happen
before
this
is
that
the
idea
when
we
got
the
last
hit
count
point
in
time
count
from.
I
think
it
was
emily
that
carried
at
council.
We
talked
about
briefly,
and
it
wasn't
a
council.
You
know,
motion
or
support
to
move
in
this
direction.
B
It's
just
an
idea
about
doing
fit,
counts
more
frequently,
so
the
next
pick
count
would
be
in
january,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
want
to
plan
a
little
seed
right
now
to
try
and
do
one.
This
fall
before
we
get
too
far
down
this
timeline
and
realize
it's.
The
time
has
passed
so
just
a
little
plugged,
maybe
consider
doing
fall
or
end
of
summer
pit
count
as
possible,
and
then
I
guess
we
follow
up
with
the
january
required
one,
and
that's
all
really
appreciate.
B
I
think
it's
gonna
help
some
boards
and
commissions
that
I
hear
from
it's
like
they're,
not
landing
their
advice,
but
they're
not
sure
how
to
best
plug
in.
I
think
this
will
really
help
them
understand
where
it's
best
to
support
us
and
kind
of
liberal
priorities.
B
Okay,
look
great.
I
don't
think
we
need
a
motion
to
approve
this
rating.
It
sounds
like
it's
coming
back
to
us
in
september
for
such
so
that
wraps
item
number
four.
Unless
staff
have
anything
else
to
share.
D
I
guess
I
would
just
be
listening
at
home,
I'm
sorry
chair
trying.
I
would
just
add
that
ahack
did
really
spend
some
time
on
this
at
our
last
meeting
and
really
supported
it,
and
I
believe,
I'm
not
sure
if
barry
balak
or
margie
bukowski
is
the
vice
chair.
They
may
be
here
to
comment
because
I
know
we
discussed
they
thought
about.
They
were
thinking
of
coming
to
this
meeting
or
you
know
being
on
hand
to
speak
to
their
point
of
view
on
this.
B
We
have
nina
tobish
waiting,
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
her
item
or
not
because
public
comment
is
the
next
agenda
item,
so
perhaps
we
can
open
up
to
callers
see
if
this
is
what
nina
wanted
to
speak
to,
if
not
keep
her
in
katie.
Can
you
help
us
other
callers.
O
F
Thank
you.
My
name
is
patrick
conan
and
I'm
a
resident
of
east
west
asheville,
I'm
also
a
member
of
the
city's
boards
and
commissions
realignment
working
group.
We
spent
almost
half
of
our
july
meeting
hearing
a
staff
presentation
on
this
council
committee.
Realignment
pilot
and
this
pilot
program
has
caused
significant
confusion
and
concern
amongst
members
of
our
working
group,
the
city,
that's
over
40
residents
and
a
dozen
members
of
staff
to
do
important
work
to
analyze
our
current
board
and
commission
structure
and
make
recommendations
on
how
we
can
improve
this
system.
F
The
working
group
would
be
provided
the
time
and
space
to
provide
recommendations
that
aren't
boxed
into
a
set
of
predetermined
outcomes
determined
by
staff
or
council,
such
as
cutting
our
20
advisory
boards
down
to
just
four.
Unfortunately,
this
pilot
echoes
controversial
aspects
of
the
original
plan
to
restructure
boards
and
commissions
the
same
plan.
The
staff
told
us
they
scrapped
after
the
initial
public
engagement
sessions.
F
This
top
down
plan
will
will
affect
not
only
our
council
committees
but
our
advisory
boards
as
well.
It
doesn't
make
sense
for
the
city
to
ask
residents
and
staff
to
spend
months
evaluating
our
board's
system
while
conducting
a
parallel
effort
that
staff
and
council
led
and
will
implement
significant
changes.
F
There
seems
to
be
no
interest
in
hearing
public
feedback
on
this
pilot
proposal
or
to
tie
this
pilot
program
into
the
ongoing
efforts
of
the
working
group
at
the
presentation
before
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee.
Rachel
wood
presented
this
proposal.
In
response
to
questions
from
the
committee.
She
indicated
that
the
resident-led
working
group
is
expected
to
complete
their
work
in
september
and
that
this
pilot
program
will
move
forward,
regardless
of
what
we
recommend.
F
F
A
P
Hello
all
again,
this
is
barry
bialik,
tara,
a
hack.
Yes,
this
the
pilot
program
was
presented
to
us
at
the
last
our
last
meeting
and
I
just
kind
of
want
to
share
my
thoughts
about
it
and
how
it
relates
to
the
boards
and
commission's
adjusting,
I
kind
of
to
me.
I
personally
looked
at
these
the
two
completely
separate
things
I
do
you
know
I
don't
actually
don't
support
a
lot
of
what's
going
on
with
the
boarding
commission
change.
P
I
think
that
should
wait
until
we're
live
to
have
constructive
conversations
on,
but
I
look
at
this
as
just
more
formalizing
how
we
have
been
operating
for
years
prior
to
covet
in
the
past,
a
hack
would
always
present
a
list
of
priorities
to
council
council
at
acd
meeting
would
then
kind
of
vote
on
them,
and
then
we
would
have
what
to
base
our
work
plan
off
of
that's
how
we
operated
for
years.
We
did
it
successfully.
We
haven't
had
that
for
two
years
since
covet,
so
we
all
have
been
active.
P
You
know
operating
a
little
bit
more
blindly,
so
I
think
this
just
kind
of
formalizes
the
process
which
we
actually
were
following
for
years.
So
I
do
support
this
and
you
know,
as
one
who's
been
jumping
up
and
down
and
saying
that
we
should
have
some
direct
discussion
with
hcd,
so
we're
we're
only
working
we're
working
on
things
that
we
know
they're
supportive
and
that
we
have
new
ideas.
We
have
a
forum
to
bring
them
to.
P
I
think
this
is
a
good
first
start,
and
I
look
you
know
I
do
look
forward
to
hearing
kind
of
what
the
priorities
are,
and
I
think
we
do.
You
know
we
work
as
a
committee
closely
with
our
council
liaison
our
staff
liaisons
and
then
with
some
city
council
members
directly
to
talk
about
their
needs
and
our
needs.
So
I
think
I
think
this
is
a
good.
This
is
a
good
first
step
to
formalizing,
better
communication
between
committee.
P
You
know
between
public
committees
and
council
committees,
and
I
don't
necessarily
view
this
as
off
target.
You
know,
as
you
know,
I
don't
necessarily
view
this
as
saying
that
a
decision
has
been
made
on
the
boards
of
commission
policy.
I
think
it
is
an
important
conversation,
but
again
I
do
think
that,
should
that
part
should
wait
until
we
can
live
and
have
constructive
meetings
set
in
on
some
of
those
meetings,
and
I
just
you
know
there-
it's
just
too
much
talk
and
it's
just
too
hard
on
zoom.
P
So
I
look
forward
to
some
live
meetings
on
this
and
I
look
forward
to
y'all
adopting
a
work
plan
that
then
we
can
take
into
account
and
build
our
a
hack
work
plan
off
of,
and
I
and
I
will
be
both
ways-
we're
not
just
going
to
work
on
what
we're
told
to
we'll,
also
suggest
things
and
we'll
have
a
direct
link
for
how
to
present
those.
So
I
do
appreciate
the
work
on
this.
P
B
Thank
you
very
much
and
you're
continue
volunteering
on
ehack.
We
have
other
callers.
B
Okay,
so
we'll
reserve
nina
for
public
comment
I'll
just
share
one
thing
just
to
say
you
know
kind
of
long
barriers.
This
work
plan
isn't
a
new
concept.
It's
not
like
it
was
just
born.
I
know
I
was
working
on
work
plans
on
previous
boards
and
committees
I
was
on
so
I
don't
want
this.
I
I
agree
very.
B
I
don't
want
this
to
seem
like
we're,
making
a
decision
for
the
boards
and
commissions
overhaul,
really
we're
just
officializing
some
processes
and
seeing
if
we
can't
streamline
things
better
and
if
this
may
become
a
helpful
initiative
towards
the
boards
and
commissions
changes,
but
I
don't
think
we're
doing
this
to
thwart
that
process
in
any
way.
I
never
have
that
impression
and
I
think
that's
all
for
comment
on
that.
We
don't
actually
need
any
vote.
B
So,
let's
get
on
to
the
next
item
so
that
it
completes
item
number
four,
we're
reviewing
hcd's
committee
work
plan
and
we're
now
on
to
item
number
five,
which
is
public
comment.
We
know
we
have
nina
tovish
with
us
you're
on
the
line
go
ahead.
O
Can
you
hear
me
now?
Yes,
wonderful,
thank
you.
Well,
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
much
of
what
I
wanted
to
say
was
said
by
both
patrick
and
barry.
O
As
patrick
said,
we
are
fighting
our
way
through
the
thicket
in
terms
of
trying
to
get
valuable
data,
genuine
information
from
folks
who
have
participated
recently
or
are
currently
on
a
board
or
commission,
and
also
some
background
data
for
a
few
years
pre-pandemic,
so
that
we
can
understand
what's
really
working
with
board
and
commissions
where
there
are
problems,
what
communications
their
issues
there
are,
and
it
seems
all
to
the
good
to
me
that
if
council
committees
have
work
plans
and
can
help
coordinate
the
work
of
boards
and
commissions
and
provide
clear
channels
of
ways
for
boards
and
commissions
to
report
to
them,
that's
wonderful
and
seems
like
a
essential
management
tool.
O
B
That
is
our
only
public
comment.
We
do
have
someone.
A
F
Thank
you.
This
is
patrick
conan
again.
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on
the
format
of
this
meeting
yeah.
I
just
want
to
say
for
the
record
that
north
carolina's
state
of
emergency
expired
yesterday
and
with
that
the
expanded
authority
for
the
city
to
conduct
public
meetings
virtually
now.
I
understand
that
open
meetings
law
is
not
entirely
clear
about
how
council
subcommittees
conduct
their
meetings,
but
I
do
understand
that
the
city
council
is
also
considering
what
formats
to
make
available
to
all
of
our
advisory
boards
moving
forward.
F
M
B
Thank
you,
katie
all
right,
everyone
that
is
the
last
call
of
the
day,
and
that
closes
public
comment,
and
I
appreciate
everyone's
time
and
energy
today.
We
are
otherwise
adjourned
unless
anyone
has
anything
to
add
or
staff
all
right.
Thank
you.
Everybody
for
joining
us
today
have
a
great
rest
of
your
day.
We
are
adjourned.