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A
We're
live
now:
okay,
great!
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
I'm
gwen
whistler,
the
chair
of
the
finance
and
human
resources
committee,
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
our
june
28th
remote
meeting.
All
council
committee,
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
continue
to
work
through
holding
these
committee
meetings
a
bit
differently,
although
it's
starting
to
seem
pretty
routine
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
A
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our
virtual
engagement
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engagement
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B
A
Oh
okay,
all
right
she
she's
waving
and
has
a
nice
smile
for
us
finance
during
director,
tony
mcdowell.
A
A
It
just
doesn't
roll
off
the
top,
maybe
it
does
for
you,
okay.
So
to
start
the
committee
agenda
again
to
help
the
audience
follow
along
I'll,
say
the
agenda
topic
first
and
then
we'll
do
a
vocal
role
call
for
each
vote.
A
If,
if
you
do
need
to
speak-
and
I
don't
and-
and
I
don't
see
you
unmute
your
phone,
if
you'd
raise
your
hand
or
something
that
way
I
I'll
be
watching
for
that
to
call
on
you.
So
the
first
item
of
on
our
agenda
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
Do
you
have
any
questions
or
changes
to
minutes?
A
Great
sandra
I'll,
second
great
now
I'll
go
through
a
roll
call,
vote,
councilwoman
kilgore
to
accept
councilwoman,
turner,
hi
and
I'm
and
I
okay.
So
our
second
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
cfo
update
big
day
for
you,
tony.
A
D
Big
day,
indeed-
and
so
I
think,
we're
gonna-
try
and
keep
it
short
here
at
the
finance
committee
this
afternoon,
since
we're
gonna
be
back
in
front
of
you
all
for
budget
tonight
and
so
under
the
cfo
update
today,
we
just
wanted
to
talk
with
you
all
briefly
about
your
upcoming
calendar
of
meetings
and
also
potential
agenda
items
that
you
all
would
like
to
see
over
the
next
few
months,
and
so
I
think,
from
staff's
perspective,
your
next
scheduled
meeting
would
be
on
july
26th
at
1
pm.
D
I
think
we
don't
have
any
topics
right
now
on
the
agenda,
so
we
would
propose
to
you
all
canceling
that
meeting
and
then
picking
up
again
with
meetings
in
august,
and
that
would
be
the
august
23rd
meeting,
and
so
we
want
to
run
that
by
you
all,
and
then
we
just
want
to
hear
from
you
all
as
we
move.
You
know
out
of
the
summer
past
budget
adoption
into
the
fall.
If
there's
specific
items
that
you
all
would
like
to
see
come
before
the
committee
in
the
next
few
months.
D
You
know
we
heard
from
you
all.
I
think
at
the
last
council
meeting
about
a
potential
desire
to
have
a
discussion
around
reparations
and
whether
that
funding
in
the
budget
becomes
a
percent
versus
a
dollar
amount,
and
so
we
kind
of
have
that
on
our
radar
already,
but
want
to
see
if
there's
any
other
items
that
you
all
would
like
us
to
discuss
over
the
next
few
months.
D
I
do
anticipate
we'll
probably
have
additional
items
coming
through
from
nikki's
department
as
we
go
through
the
fall
as
well.
So
with
that
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
you,
council,
member
whispers.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
Tony.
I
think.
If
we're
gonna
address
this
percentage
question,
you
know
we
also
should
look
at
that
with
the
housing
trust
fund
dollars.
You
know
that
we've
allocated
the
500
and
you
know
just
you
know,
to
just
go
through
what
the
pros
and
cons
of
that
are.
I
think
most
of
us
could
figure
that
out,
but
just
for
the
public's
edification.
A
The
other
thing
I'd
like
to
sometime
think
about
is
you
know.
I
know
that
hcd
has
identified
some
advisory
boards
and
commissions
that
you
know
they're
going
to
be
getting
updates
from
over
the
next
year
and
I'm
wondering
what
advisory
boards
might
come
to
this
committee.
The
first
one.
Obviously,
that
comes
to
my
mind,
is
audit,
the
audit
committee-
and
I'm
just
you
know-
maybe
that
can
be
a
discussion
sometime
about
you
know
doing
the
same
thing
for
this
committee.
A
I
think
it
would
be
a
small
number
of
committees,
if
any
other
than
audit
committee,
I'm
not
really
sure,
but
that
would
be
one
thing
for
me
any
and
other
council
members
sandra
sage.
Do
you
have
any
suggestions
or
ideas.
F
I
mean
I'm
looking
far
down
the
road
at
a
potential
since
we
didn't
this
year,
but
a
potential
2024
bond
may
come
to
this
committee.
I
would
say
and
exploring
that
I
understand
I
have
not
been
through
it
from
this
seat.
I
was
on
a
boarding
committee
level
seat.
So
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
the
undertaking
of
that
is,
but
I
understand
it
could
be
as
much
as
a
year-long
process
and
there's
staffing
involved.
So
I
think
that
is
a
good
one
for
us
to
target.
A
So
maybe
what
we
could
do
is
you
know
fairly
early
next
year.
Think
of
you
know
in
in
when
I
say
the
year:
the
fiscal
year,
you
know
just
walk,
walk
us
through
what
that
process
is
and
what
it
looks
like
and
you
know,
does
it
have
to
be
in
a
in
an
election?
Does
it
have
to
be
in
an
even
number
year,
etc,
etc.
Just
so
we
kind
of
refresh-
or
I
mean
I've
been
through
it,
but
you
know
inform
what
what
the
process
is.
A
I
mean
even
the
last
time
I
think
when
we
went
through
it
it
was
a
little
breakneck
and
you
know
so
it
would
be
better
if
we
got
ahead
of
it.
If,
if
that's
what
the?
If
that's
what
council
is
thinking
so
that
we
could
plan
it,
and
then
I
think
it's
also,
I
mean
one
of
the
things
I
really
remember
about
it
is
you
know
identifying
some
groups
out
in
the
public
that
might
help
us
out.
A
I
know
the
last
time
the
chamber
got
very
involved
and
you
know
put
some
money
behind
some
of
the
pr
behind
it
and
everything
like
that.
So
that
may
be
another
thing
to
kind
of
discuss
so.
F
And
there's,
of
course,
the
remainder
of
the
existing
bonds,
which
I
think
is
kind
of
queuing
up
to
come
to
us,
but
I
don't
know
if
it
needs
to
run
through
finance
and
then
I'd
be
curious
to
I
feel
like
we
have
a
building
transit
cost
situation.
Where
you
know,
we've
got
at
a
state
level
an
attempt
to
get
a
local
transit
tax
or
whatnot,
but
should
that
fail
which
may
seem
likely?
You
know,
I
wonder
if
we
could
be
brainstorming,
other
things
around
transit?
I
just
we
have
this
long
plan.
F
We
have
a
transit
committee.
Obviously
it
would
live
under
them,
but
I
wonder
finance
can
help
somehow
and
I
just
like
to
brainstorm.
I
wasn't
ready
to
like
look
throughout
a
bunch
of
ideas,
but
I'm
happy
to
not
meet
in
july,
which
is
what
I
heard
tony
say,
and
maybe
even
in
august
or
up
until
then
we
could
be
kind
of
churning
up
some
thoughts.
A
Okay,
great
all
right,
so
anything
else,
tony
yeah.
D
I'm
just
gonna,
I
think
what
we
can
do,
then,
is
maybe
take
some
of
the
items
that
you
all
threw
out
and
also
some
ideas
that
we
have
as
staff
and
maybe
come
back
in
august
with
a
maybe
like
a
three-month
calendar
of
of
items
and
agenda
items
that
we
would
touch
or
cover
with
you
all
through
the
through
the
fall
and
winter.
A
Anything
else,
okay
super.
So
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
land
use,
incentive
grants
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
nikki
reed.
E
Okay,
we'll
get
this
started.
I'm
also
joined
today
by
some
representatives
of
the
development
team,
millstone
ventures,
so
they'll
be
on
hand
to
answer
any
questions
at
the
end
of
the
presentation.
Just
keep
in
mind.
We
are
seeking
action
today.
We
have
a
slide
at
the
end.
To
sum
that
up,
but
that
is
our
intention
today,
so
land
use
incentive
grant
request.
E
Key
takeaways
starting
up
top
here
is
that
we
have
a
luigi
application
for
property
at
221,
long
shoals,
road,
it's
for
an
apartment
development.
There
the
project
will
be
committing
37
units,
so
that
is
20
percent
to
be
affordable
for
20
years
at
80
percent
area,
median
income
and
below
the
project
is
also
bringing
other
benefits,
including
rental
assistance,
housing
for
the
homeless
by
name
list,
solar
panels
and
universal
design,
and
that
being
said,
the
project
qualifies
for
17
years
of
taxes
paid
so
we'll
kind
of
get
into
that
a
little
more
project
background.
E
So
the
entire
project
consists
of
186
apartments,
plus
some
community
amenity
space.
The
entire
development
is
100
housing
and
so
of
the
186
rental
units.
37
rental
apartments
will
be
affordable,
serving
individuals
and
families
at
80
percent
of
8
ami
for
a
minimum
of
20
years.
The
site
itself
is
about
5.36
acres
of
land
on
long
shoals,
currently
vacant
and
the
unit
mix
for
the
affordable
units
is
18,
one
bedroom
units
and
19
studio
units.
Also
those
units
accepting
vouchers,
will
be
the
one
bedroom
units
and
the
studio.
E
E
And
so
looking
at
our
luigi's
scoring
matrix,
this
is
really
how
it
stacks
up
to
look
at
the
total
points,
so
20
points
for
the
20
of
all
units
being
affordable
at
80.
Ami
five
points
there
for
the
rental
assistance,
additional
five
points
for
housing,
one
person
on
the
homeless
by
name
list
for
location.
The
fact
that
this
location
is
a
mile
from
job
and
urban
centers
gains
five
points
as
well
as
a
half
mile
from
transit.
E
So
that's
another
five
energy
efficiency,
the
energy
efficiency
in
solar
panels,
universal
design
and
also
building
in
a
non-qualified
census
tracks
are
really
bringing
some
affordable.
Affordability
mix
into
a
higher
income
census
track
really
allows
that
to
gain
another
10
points.
So
overall
that
totals
85
points.
So
that's
just
really
going
through
our
luigi
matrix
and
assembling
the
total
points,
and
that
equates
to
17
years
of
taxes
granted
back
to
the
owner.
E
So,
looking
at
exactly
what
oh,
actually,
we
wanted
to
put
a
slide
in
here
to
walk
through
some
of
the
deeper
information
about
the
vouchers
that
came
came
out
at
our
conversation
hcd,
and
we
wanted
to
really
explore
further
and
to
find
further
what
that
means,
because
it
is
significant.
So
when
we
talk
about
accepting
vouchers
in
this
particular
unit,
the
goal
here
is
for
50
of
those
affordable
units.
E
So
19
total
units
will
accept
the
housing
choice,
vouchers
those
vouchers
help
people
at
or
below,
50
percent
of
ami,
so
we're
really
able
to
target
deeper
than
that
80
percent
requirement
through
the
acceptance
of
these
housing
choice
vouchers.
These
residents
come
from
the
housing
authority,
the
household,
the
way
the
voucher
works,
the
household
pays
30
of
their
income
and
that
voucher
makes
up
the
difference
to
equate
to
that
total
rent
being
asked
by
the
rental
community.
E
So
that's
significant,
because
our
area
currently
has
100
vouchers
at
any
given
time
that
go
and
use
because
of
the
lack
of
units
that
accept
them.
It's
keep
in
mind.
You
know
vouchers
are
actually
funded
by
the
federal
government.
So
this
is
a
program
that
it's
funded
by
an
outside
source
that
really
helps
us
to
address
our
overall,
affordable
housing
needs.
So
what
happens
is
that
when
someone
who
has
a
voucher
finds
a
unit,
then
they
exit
public
housing,
making
that
space
available
for
another
household
on
the
public
housing
waiting
list.
A
So
nikki,
why
don't
we
so?
Can
you
go
back
to
wherever
the
luige
yeah,
okay,
so
of
the
so
so
it's
really
10
are
affordable
at
80
and
10
are
affordable
at
50.
E
That
is
currently
how
the
luigi
policy
is
structured,
and
so
I'm
hearing
a
little
bit
of
questions
about
how
the
policy
functions.
I
do
want
to
share
that.
We
are
also
planning
to
look
at
the
land
use
incentive
grant
policy
later
this
year
to
really
understand
how
it
works,
because,
yes,
our
current
policy
allows
for
20
points
for
the
overall
20
of
units
at
80
and
below,
and
then
the
rental
assistance
component
that
10
percent
earns
you
extra
points.
So
that's
currently
how
the
policy
is
structured.
A
Well,
I
mean
just
it
and
I'm
okay
with
the
policy
and
everything,
but
I
also
think
you
know,
because
frankly,
I'm
not
sure
I
completely
focused
in
on
this.
I
I'm
just
wondering
from
perspective
of
you
know
explaining
it
to
the
public.
If
you
know
like
that.
Second
bullet
point:
if
you
said
you
know
rental
assistance
and
then
you
know
kind
of
put
a
dash
dash,
50
percent
ami.
A
Just
to
you
know,
because
I
think
people
kind
of
continue
to
question.
Well,
you
know
80
percent,
isn't
that
great
and
none
of
that,
but
you
know
this
really
is
at
a
50
level
and
and
then
my
other
question
and
sandra,
I
acknowledge
you've
got
your
hand
up
so
I'll
shut
up
in
a
minute
is
so
who
is
responsible
for
determining
for
these
rentals
the
the
voucher
program,
who's
responsible
for
making
sure
that
these
folk,
you
know
it's
the
50
level?
A
Is
that
the
housing
authority,
or
is
that
something
that
you
know
once
they
once
these
folks
move
into
these
units
that
it
would
be
the
responsibility
of
the
developer
or
the
management.
E
From
what
I
understand,
the
housing
authority
is
the
agency
that
determines
how
much
you
pay
as
a
person
who
holds
a
voucher
and
then
how
much
the
voucher
pays,
and
then
they
have
a
set
rental
amount.
That
is
then
between
the
landlord
and
and
that
ability
to
pay.
But
it's
it's
basically
that
housing
authority
that
makes
that
income
determination
as
a
first
step.
E
I'm
not
sure
I
would
need
to
get
clarification
on
that.
So
let
me
write
that
question
down,
because
I
am
not
sure
exactly
whether
there
are
set
rents
that
the
you
know.
What
I'm,
what
I
need
to
follow
up
on
is
if
there
are
set
rents
that
the
housing
authority
pays
every
year.
Maybe
sage
has
the
answer
to,
but
or
if
it's
based
on
the
asking
price
of
the
current
development,
but
I'll
need
to
follow
up
on
that.
Okay,
okay,.
B
One
of
my
concerns
was
when
you
said
that
the
voucher
or
participants
of
percentage
of
vouchers
would
be
basically
allocated
for
studios
or
one
bedroom
affiliates.
That's
a
concern
of
mine,
because
that
already
hurts
a
lot
of
the
you
know
marginalized
people
because
they
have
larger
families.
So
I'm
just
saying:
are
they
two
bedroom
three
bedrooms?
What
are
the
sizes
and
why
limit
them
to
studios
in
one
bedroom
because,
like
I
said
most,
people
with
families
gonna
need
larger
units.
E
And
we
heard
the
same
concern
from
hcd,
so
I
know
that
sasha
had
been
in
conversation
with
the
developer
on
if
there
was
the
ability
to
look
at
other
units.
Of
course,
those
are
more
expensive
units
right.
So
understanding
how
this
works
from
a
performa
basis
for
the
developer
is
something
that
we
would
want
to
explore
with
them
and
really
bring
back
to
council.
E
So,
as
far
as
I
understand
right
now,
the
policy
doesn't
speak
to
bedroom
mix
in
terms
of
what
is
eligible
or
what
is
required
of
the
bedroom
mix
to
to
qualify
for
a
land
use
incentive
grant.
So
perhaps
that
again
is
something
that
we
need
to
look
at
for
a
policy
revision,
because
we
do
acknowledge
that
the
fact
that
this
is
across
the
street
from
a
school,
for
instance,
is
a
great
reason
why
accepting
vouchers
for
two
and
three
bedrooms
would
really
benefit
families.
E
A
F
Yeah
and
I
mean
just
to
go
back
to
the
beginning-
I
mean
nikki
great
job
explaining
this.
You
know
hcd,
we
talked
about
how
we
could
be
better
sharing
this
story
and
how
it
helps
more
people
than
is
kind
of
scripted,
but
I
agree
in
the
family
size
units.
We
have
this
conversation
at
hcd
as
well.
It's
on
our
list
to
look
at
as
we
review
luigi
in
the
upcoming
year.
It's
hard
to
make
it
a
current
development
plot.
F
You
know,
do
something
comply
with
something
we
haven't
written
out
yet,
but
I
understand
they
ask
maybe
they'll
be
able
to.
The
other
part
is
that
there
is
a
another
number.
So
I
believe
it
was
david
nash.
When
he
came
in
february
about
steve
review,
or
maybe
his
little
march
or
april,
he
said
there
was
about
2100
people
on
the
waitlist
for
their
programs
as
well.
So,
like
you
know,
every
little
move
is
helping
more
people
behind
it
and
I
think
more
than
we,
the
more
we
tell
that
story.
The.
E
F
The
more
I
tell
it
in
the
community,
more
people
understand
the
program
and
appreciate
it.
So
this
idea
that
you
know
80
is
not
enough.
We've
been
achieving
it
with
these
projects,
all
along
it
just
hasn't
been
well
said,
so
I
really
appreciate
this
conversation
and
how
it
was
written
out.
E
E
So
what
we
do
basically
with
luigi
is
we
take
the
current
tax
value
for
that
vacant
property
right
now
we
peg
that
so
that's
3.369
million
here
and
then
we
look
at
how
much
city
property
tax
comes
from
that
property
as
it
is
in
its
current
state,
so
that
is
about
you
know
13
579
annually,
so
that
is
our
current
receipt
for
city
taxes
for
that
vacant
land.
E
We
work
with
the
developer
to
understand
what
their
estimated
tax
value
will
be:
post
completion
and
so
looking
at
those
three
buildings,
those
lovely
amenities-
you
know,
after
the
full
construction
of
the
project
is
complete.
That
estimate
is
currently
26
million
for
the
for
the
total
development,
and
then
we
peg
that
to
the
cities
again
estimated
property
tax
receipts
that
number
104
941.
E
E
But
in
this
case
to
subsidize
the
affordability
of
the
unit,
we
grant
that
back
to
the
property
owner
annually
for
a
payment
over
a
17-year
period
per
the
luigi
policy.
We
total
that
up
and
say:
okay,
what
is
the
total
grant
amount
for
this
land
use
incentive
grant
1.5
million
and
some
change
that
is
over
the
life
of
the
17
years
of
the
luigi,
and
so
what
we
do
to
further
kind
of
understand,
that
is
to
say
well
what
is
our
normal
subsidy
that
we
pay
out
of
pocket
through
housing
trust
fund?
E
You
know
other
other
subsidies
that
we
use.
You
know
per
unit
in
other
subsidy
programs
and
we
compare
that
to
really
have
a
good
basis
for
our
investment
in
a
land
use
incentive
grant
model.
So
we
look
at
that
subsidy
in
this
particular
case
again
over
the
life
of
of
the
project,
totaling
that
all
up
and
kind
of
looking
at
it
in
today's
dollars.
That's
about
41
977
per
unit,
which
we
see
as
lower
than
the
estimate
of
the
eighty
thousand
dollars,
as
noted
in
the
ex
existing
policy.
E
So
all
that
to
say
that,
then,
after
you
know,
the
the
land-use
incentive
grant
runs,
it
course
its
course,
and
we
see
that
working
to
the
benefit
of
the
people
in
those
units
after
year
17,
then
the
luigi
expires,
and
then
the
city
receives
the
full
amount
of
that
property
revenue
city
property
revenue
back
at
104..
E
We
also
keep
in
mind
that,
during
the
duration
of
this
land
use
incentive
grant,
we
will
still
re
receive
our
initial
basis,
so
the
initial
tax
receipts
that
we
receive
now
and
the
amount
of
13
579-
that's
just
a
little
insight
into
how
these
numbers
work,
how
we
estimate
the
value
of
the
subsidy
and
how
we
clarify
that.
Yes,
this
is
a
good
deal
for
the
city.
It
benefits
those
that
that
need
the
units
and
also,
I
think,
from
a
larger
perspective.
E
What
we're
also
seeing
is
the
incorporation
of
affordability
into
market
rates
so
really
benefiting
from
having
that
mixed
income
strategy
play
out
here
and
in
a
development
such
as
this.
So
yes,
okay,.
B
Just
wanted
to
check
now
it's
a
17
year,
so
what
is
the
period
that
they'll
actually
offer
these
units
affordable?
Is
it
20
or
is
it
addition?
What
are
we
looking
at.
E
B
Okay,
I
also
want
to
ask
us
so,
even
though
some
just
sayings
are
you
whoever?
Now,
when
you
do
these
20-year
deals
or
any
of
these
projects,
basically
have
any
kind
of
say,
extension
to
them
that
they
can't
extend
to,
while
the
city
can
do
certain
things
to
get
them
extended
if
certain
conditions
are
still
relevant
or
prevalent
in
the
community
that
we
can
sort
of,
we.
F
Ahead,
we
have
done
similar
with
the
htf.
Like
mho
came
back
to
us
last
year.
I
think
it
was
and
said
you
know
this
is
about
to
mature.
We
would
like
to
renew
the
loan
and
continue
the
affordability
period,
so
I
could
see
something
like
this
may
be
happening,
but
we
don't
have
any
policy
to
that.
Yeah.
A
Okay,
but
I
mean
theoretically,
you
could
continue
to
apply
the
luige
policy.
It's
not
only
for
brand
new
projects.
Is
it
nikki.
A
All
the
other
non-affordable
housing
criteria,
like
you
know,
do
you
if
it's
if
it's
all
I
mean
you
know
going
back
through
the
the
the
calculation
of
it
it's
like
well,
would
you
only
give
them
the
benefit
of
the
affordability
and
not
you,
wouldn't
you
know
double
up
the
benefit
for
the
you
know,
all
the
other
kind
of
construction
items
so
that'll
be
an
interesting
thing
to
do.
You
know,
17
years
from
now
or
20
years
from
now,
when
we're
all
dead
and
gone
it'll
be
a
fun
challenge
for
another
council.
B
A
A
So
we've
been
doing
this
now
for
like
seven
years
now,
we
didn't
we
weren't
as
successful
as
we
have
been
lately
in
applying
our
policy,
but
you
know
pretty
soon
in
pro
in
10
years,
we'll
be
seeing
some
of
these
roll
around,
and
you
know
these
questions
will
be
coming
up,
but
I'm
also
hoping
that
you
know
our
federal
government
will
step
in
and
help
a
lot
more
than
they
do
right
now
around
affordability,
and
you
know
that
it
isn't
just
a
a
product
of
the
city
and
then
another
question
I
have
is:
is
the
county
making
any
sort
of
noises
around
you
know
maybe
participating
in
you
know
this
kind
of
a
program
I
mean
it
could
really
be.
A
I
mean
if,
if
the
county
jumped
in
and
participated,
and
also
you
know,
did
the
same
kind
of
thing
with
their
property
taxes
that
could
double
the
incentives
and
possibly
help
the
city
you
know
justify
raising
our
bar
for
who
gets
into
the
program.
If
you
could,
if
we
could
include
property,
counting
property
taxes,
sage.
F
I
have
certainly
been
talking
to
some
of
them
about
it
for
many
years
and
I
think
the
interest
is
coming
and
I
almost
you
know
in
speaking
of
the
previous
gen
I
like.
What
should
we
be
talking
about
on
finance?
F
I
wonder
if
that's
an
item,
to
talk
with
the
county
about
this
and
see
if
we
could,
I
sense
on
their
end,
it
might
be
more
like
a
pilot
like
what,
if
there
was
this
existing
luigi
project
and
we
found
an
existing
apartment
complex
and
we
did
a
pilot
with
them
to
help
them
kind
of
move
through
it.
That
was
kind
of
the
idea
I
threw
out,
but
yes
absolutely
and
we
talked
about
whether
or
not
it
would
mean
longer
term
or
more
units
and
there's,
I
think
it's
a
great
discussion
to
have.
F
We
could
do
more
affordability
faster
and
longer.
You
know
I
will
add
one
other
thing.
I
want
to
share
from
this
kind
of
beginning
of
this
conversation
and
having
been
there
on
the
advisory
boards
when
we
drafted
the
five
or
six
iterations
of
luigi
now.
The
reason
that
we
kept
it
with
the
efficiencies
and
didn't
do
bedroom
numbers
and
single
units
or
single
bedrooms
was
because
we
had
done
the
first
bowen
report
and
realized
and
learned
that
the
highest
need
was
those
single
bedrooms.
F
And
then
we
also
had
hakka
over
here
saying
our
wait
list
is
this
long
and
majority
of
them
are
single
occupants.
So
it
informed
us
that
we
should
be
focusing
on
the
efficiencies
in
single
bedrooms,
but
the
externality
of
not
helping
families
at
all
has
begun
to
surface
because
we're
just
not
creating
family
size
units
in
any
of
our
programs,
unless
it's
like
at
the
will
of
their
conditional
zoning
or
their
design,
and
it's
just
there's
no
infrastructure
for
creating
family
units.
B
And
not
only
that
when
you
talk
about
basically
migrating
communities
or
whatever,
because
the
thing
is
our
children
are
the
ones
that's
most
affected
and
can
actually
benefit
from
being
in
more
conducive
environments
that
some
of
these
developments
give
them
as
opposed
to
housing.
B
Does
that
make
sense
because
of
all
the
location,
the
amenities
and
just
overall
lifestyle
is
different
in
a
lot
of
these
communities
as
the
pope,
as
opposed
to
the
housing
communities
they're
in,
so
that
in
itself
is
better
for
people
with
families,
because
it
acclimates
the
kids
to
a
better
environment.
You
know
that
exposes
them
to
that's
exactly
right,
so
yeah,
so
I
think
that
would
be
an
overall
benefit,
so
yeah.
F
Every
time
I've
asked
like
what
is
the
what's
the
ending
of
that
situation,
a
high
access,
shelter.
You
are
going
through
programs,
you're
doing
better
you're,
getting
a
job
you're,
getting
your
paperwork
et
cetera.
But
then,
when
you
leave
you're
given
a
voucher,
and
that's
all
remember
that
when
you
get
that
first
voucher,
you
are
required
to
spend
a
year
in
our
public
housing
communities
before
you
can
take
that
voucher
out
on
the
street.
E
So
I
think
we're
kind
of
now
looking
at
next
steps.
So
just
again
as
a
reminder,
this
was
heard
by
the
hcd
committee
on
june
21st
received
a
3-0
vote
to
approve
the
grant
and
then
now
we
are
here
to
look
for
a
recommendation
from
this
committee.
So
thinking
about
city
council,
we
have
this
on
the
agenda
for
july
26th,
in
that
it
will
be
following
the
conditional
zoning
it'll
be
on
the
same
agenda
as
the
conditional
zoning
for
july
26th.
E
So,
looking
for
a
recommendation
today
regarding
this
land
use,
incentive
grant
and
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
whistler.
So.
A
I
would
be
happy
to
entertain
a
motion
for
this.
However,
I
guess
I
I
see
that
we
have
at
least
one
development
developer
representative
listening
in
on
the
call
my
you
know,
I
guess
I
would
like
to
throw
it
back.
A
I
mean
I
guess
I
just
you
know,
I'm
gonna
say
I
would
tend
to
vote
for
this
tonight
or
today.
However,
I'm
I
really
would
like
to
see
you
know
some
sort
of
effort
on
the
development
the
developers
part.
To
maybe
add
I
mean
you
know,
maybe
not
a
hundred,
maybe
not
all-
of
the
affordable
units
be
the
the
single
bedroom
and
the
studios,
but
maybe
the
developer
would
consider
and
it
may
be
for
me.
A
A
no-go
on,
or
I
mean
you
know
something
I'm
going
to
consider
around
the
conditional
use
and
this
luige
if
they
would
talk
to
us
about
ex
changing
up
and
adding
adding
some
units
that
are
bigger
than
one
bedroom
and
and
studios
in
the
affordability.
A
But
with
that
I'll
entertain
emotion,
you
know
again
with
that
caveat
that
if
you
know
as
as
we're
thinking
about
that,
we'd
really
like
to
see
the
developer,
see
what
they
could
do
around
that
request.
Yes,
so
jamie
you,
don't
you
don't
need
to
answer
that
right
now,
but
you
know
I
guess
it's
just
kind
of
ahead
that
it's
probably
gonna
be
asked
of
you.
C
I
appreciate
that
and
we
have
conversations
scheduled
with
sasha
when
she
returns
to
discuss
how,
if
at
all,
we
can
make
that
work.
But
thank
you
for
sharing
your
thoughts
and
intentions
going
forward.
A
Okay,
thanks
amy,
so
with
that
I'll
entertain
a
motion.
F
A
Okay,
in
a
second
I'll,
second,
okay
with
that
I'll,
do
a
roll
call
vote,
councilwoman,
kilgore,
councilwoman,
turner,
hi,
and
I'm-
and
I
again
with
with
all
those
discussion
points
behind
it:
okay
nikki
is
that
is
that
it
or,
I
think
that's.
F
A
Good
conversation,
you
know
I
would,
I
would
have
a
tendency
to
say
that
the
land
use
incentive
whole
discussion-
probably
lands
more
appropriately
at
hcd
and
and,
interestingly
enough.
I
think
when
it
first
came
around
it
was
ped
who
took
the
who,
who
took
the
reigns
on
that
and
I'm
not
really
sure
why
hcd
didn't.
But
anyway,
I
I
think
it's
more
appropriately
at
hcd
and
we
will
be
the
will,
be
the
tail
and
not
the
dog,
on
this
one.
A
C
A
There
are
no
callers
in
the
queue
unbelievable,
I
mean
it
was
such
a
fascinating
conversation
and
nobody's
listening
to
us
or
maybe
they're
listening.
They
just
know
that
we
tackle
everything
all
right,
but
with
that
I
will
a
during
the
meeting
and
ask
you,
ladies
to
note
that
our
july
meeting
is
cancelled
and
we'll
be
back
together
in
august
all
right.