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B
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
I'm
gwen
whistler,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
finance
and
human
resources
committee
of
the
asheville
city
council,
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
march
22nd
remote
meeting.
All
council
committee,
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
continue
to
work
through
holding
these
committee
meetings
a
bit
differently
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
allowed.
We
are
streaming,
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website.
B
B
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folks
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hello
and
when
you're,
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speaking,
just
a
reminder
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so
councilwoman
turner.
B
Hold
on
just
a
minute,
sorry
councilwoman,
kilgore
good
afternoon.
Thank
you,
city
manager,
deborah
campbell.
B
Rachel
on
no
okay,
but
who
else
is
on
here?
Oh
peggy,
rowe
is
on
interim.
B
And
for
some
reason,
they've
got
amber
weaver,
but
she
wouldn't
be
on
here.
I'm
not
real
sure.
Why
and
let's
see
who
else
do
I
have?
I
am
greg
schuler
and
david
melton.
A
B
B
G
B
B
Thank
you.
Can
I
get
a
second
a
second
okay,
great
now
I'll
have
to
do
a
roll
call
for
this
councilwoman
kilgore
hi,
councilwoman,
turner,
hi
and
I'm
also
an
eye,
so
the
minutes
are
approved
as
as
presented.
The
next
item
is
the
fiscal
2023
fees
and
charges.
So
I'm
going
to
turn
this
over
to
tony
mcdowell
and
then
I
think
taylor
floyd
will
follow
follow
up,
so
I'm
gonna
flip
it
over
to
you.
Tony
thanks.
E
All
right,
thank
you,
councilmember,
whistler
and
good
afternoon.
Everybody
tony
mcdowell,
finance
director
as
councilmember
whistler,
indicated
today's
next
agenda
item
and
really
the
only
agenda
item
today
from
staff
is
a
committee
review
of
the
fy
2223
fees
and
charges
that
are
being
proposed
for
next
fiscal
year.
H
E
Our
budget
manager
is
also
here
today
to
assist
with
the
presentation.
We
also
have
a
number
of
staff
from
each
department
on
as
well
to
answer
any
specific
questions
that
the
committee
may
have
so
alicia.
Can
you
bring
up
the
presentation.
E
So,
while
alicia's
bringing
up
bringing
the
presentation
up
these
and
charges
and
and
the
committee
review-
is
really
one
of
our
first
steps
in
the
budget
process
each
year
and
we
bring
the
fees
to
you
all
and
then
on
to
city
council
after
that
early
in
the
process.
E
For
a
couple
reasons
one
is,
it
allows
us
to
go
ahead
and
build
in
any
potential
increases
in
fees
and
charges
to
the
manager's
proposed
budget
that
we
bring
you
in
in
may,
and
so
that
definitely
adds
a
level
of
certainty
into
the
budget
that
helps
us
as
we're
preparing
the
budget,
and
then
it
also
means
fewer
changes
in
the
budget
potentially
after
it's
presented
in
may.
E
So
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide
at
this
point,
so
today's
presentation
we're
going
to
start
with
just
a
quick
overview
of
fees
and
charges.
You
all
probably
see
some
familiar
doughnut
charts
that
we've
shown
you
all
in
the
past
and
then
we're
going
to
talk
about
three
of
the
the
rate,
adjustments
and
fee
adjustments
that
we've
talked
to
you
all
in
the
past,
about
the
first
being
the
water
rate
adjustment,
we're
going
to
talk
about
storm
water,
solid
waste,
and
then
we
do
have
other
few.
E
D
E
Points
on
this
slide
to
kind
of
outline
and
go
over
that
one
obviously,
is
a
customer
versus
community
benefit.
If
you're
talking
about
a
service,
that's
going
to
benefit
the
entire
community
in
a
lot
of
cases,
it
makes
more
sense
to
pay
for
that
service
through
property
or
sales
taxes.
If
you
have
a
service,
that's
going
to
benefit
a
specific
customer
or
set
of
customers,
it
makes
more
sense
to
charge
a
fee
and
then
there's
a
couple
other
things
we
kind
of
outline
here.
E
A
E
As
a
part
of
the
budget
process,
departments
review
their
fees
and
we
look
at
a
number
of
factors
each
year
as
a
part
of
that
review,
one
being
the
cost
to
provide
service
we're
looking
at.
Have
there
been
substantial
increases
in
the
cost
to
provide
service?
E
We
also
look
at
who
benefits
from
the
service
and
also
who
pays
service
and
pays
for
pays
the
fee
for
the
service
as
well,
and
then
we
periodically
review
our
fees
with
fee
studies
and
we
use
outside
consultants
for
that
in
the
past
five
years,
or
so,
we've
done,
b,
studies
for
our
parks
and
recreation
and
our
development
services
fees
and
with
those
that
allows
us
to
do
some
benchmarking,
where
we
compare
to
other
organizations
and
also
look
at
what
our
own
cost
recovery
percentage
is
for
some
of
our
services
compared
to
other
jurisdictions.
E
E
So
again,
just
a
couple
of
charts
to
kind
of
indicate
where
our
revenues
come
from.
This
is
the
one
we
showed
you
all
last
week
at
the
council
retreat.
E
E
So
this
pie
chart
shows
our
enterprise
fund
revenues
and
you
can
see
the
story
here
is
directly
opposite.
In
many
cases,
the
general
fund.
G
E
So
for
our
general
I
mean
for
our
enterprise
fund
budgets
in
fy,
2020,
2122
fees
and
charges
represent
about
70
percent
of
their
overall
budgets
and
we're
going
to
talk
to
you
all
specifically
about
water
and
storm
water
here
in
just
a
moment.
E
H
I'll
go.
E
So
with
the
water
rate
adjustment.
Just
you
know
the
next
slide,
alicia.
Just
a
quick
reminder.
The
the
water
resources
fund
is
the
the
largest
enterprise
fund
is
the
second
largest
budget
outside
of
the
general
fund.
It's
36,
almost
37
million.
It
is
the
city's
largest
department
because
it
is
a
large
department
and
has
substantial
capital
costs.
E
We
also
just
completed
the
north
fork
dam
project
and
the
bar
ring
for
that
was
done.
Last
fall
to
the
tune
of
about
40
million
dollars,
so
substantial
costs
in
the
water
fund.
E
E
Last
year
we
talked
to
you
all
about
a
rate
adjustment
or
rate
realignment
plan
that
would
span
multiple
fiscal
years.
That
would
begin
to
allow
us
to
recover
that
revenue
over
time
and
that's
what
we're
here
to
present
and
recommend
for
you.
All's
adoption
next
year
is
the
second
year
of
that
plan.
E
We
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
just
as
a
reminder-
and
we
included
this
chart
last
year,
as
we
were
talking
to
you
all
like
I
said,
the
capital
improvement
fee
went
away
in
fiscal
year
21,
so
you
can
see
for
the
single
family,
residential
user,
and
this
is
kind
of
the
average
single
family
residential
user
for
a
bi-monthly
bill,
their
their
rate
did
drop
or
their
overall
bill
did
drop
in
fy
21..
E
E
Next
slide,
so,
just
in
summary,
the
water
fee
recommendation
there
is
a
need
to
continue
to
recover
that
revenue
that
was
lost
from
the
capital
fee
and
that
will
allow
us
to
maintain
our
credit
rating
and
our
debt
service
coverage.
E
B
Tony
this
is
glenn.
Do
you
have
a
sense
of
where
our
fees
are
water
fees
versus
msd's
fees
and
kind
of
you
know
that
a
comparison
of
how
that
went?
I
I
believe
that
they
did
not
have
a
rate
increase
one
year,
but
they've
been
gradually.
I
mean
they
increase
rates
or
fees
pretty
much
every
year,
except
one
year
at
the
very
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
I
think
was
20.,
but
do
we
have
a
comparison
of
that.
E
F
We
do
have
that
if,
if
we
can
go
to
slide
30,
oh.
F
We
we
just
included
it
and
we
weren't
planning
it
as
part
of
the
presentation,
but
just
as
a
resource.
If,
if
a
question
was
asked.
F
At
least
you
may
have
to
go
out
of
the
presentation
and
then
back
in,
but
it
should
be
the
very
last
slide.
But
but
I
think
you
are
correct
that
that
was
one
year
where
they
did
not
increase,
but
otherwise
they've
done
an
increase
pretty
consistently
over
the
the
last
several
years
that
we
had
data,
and
I
want
to
say
I'm
trying
to
look
now
at
what
the
actual
percentage
is.
F
It's
been
around
two
and
a
half
I
think
last
year
was
2.75,
but
somewhere
around
two
and
a
half
percent
annually.
A
F
Msds
at
the
very
top
there
and
that's
a
pretty
pretty
linear,
as
you
can
see,
and
then
water
directly,
underneath
where
you
can
see
that
the
drop
from
fy21
and
then
solid
waste
and
storm
water
under
that
solid
waste
ceiling,
light.
B
Green
and
storm
water
in
the
dark,
okay,
yeah-
that
that
was
my
sense,
so
basically
they've
been
increasing
their
rates
at
a
higher
percent
than
than
than
water
has,
but,
except
for
that
one
year,
okay,
yeah.
B
Right,
which
you
know,
I
think,
is
you
know,
given
the
nature
of
both
water
and
sewer
well,
and
really
everything
you
know
it
just
makes
sense
to
me
to
just
you
know,
try
to
keep
up
as
opposed
to
keeping
it
flat
for
several
years,
and
then
you
know
having
to
have
a
large
increase.
So,
although
you
know
you
hate
to
have
these,
you
hate
increased
fees
ever.
C
And
I
really
appreciate
having
this
slide
so,
if
you
could
incorporate
it
into
the
presentation
by
the
time
it
gets
to
council,
that
would
be
helpful.
I
was
going
to
request
this
for
across
all
the
fees.
This
is
actually
a
very
helpful
slide
for
someone
like
me
that
hasn't
been
a
lot
involved
very
long.
B
F
F
All
right,
so
I'm
gonna
first
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
stormwater
service
and
fees
you
can
go
on
to
the
next
slide.
These
are
basically
just
a
few
reminders
from
the
presentation
that
we
did
with
you
all
on
january,
25th
kind
of
looking
at
some
of
the
challenges
in
the
stormwater
service
and
really
kind
of,
I
think
the
main
one
is
is
this
aging
infrastructure
and
the
deferred
maintenance
challenges
it
creates.
F
You
know
where,
essentially,
because
of
that
deferred
maintenance
we're
having
to
do
these
reactive
emergency
repairs
to
make
sure
that
the
system
continues
to
be
operational,
but
then
that
ultimately
leads
to
limited
capacity
for
us
to
invest
in
improving
and
maintaining
the
system
which
ultimately
leads
to
that
lower
service
slower
impact,
a
chat
you
know
makes
it
challenging
for
us
to
achieve
our
goals,
which
again
gets
kind
of
back
around
to
deferred
maintenance.
So
that's
kind
of
in
a
nutshell.
F
I
think
that
the
main
challenge
that
that
stormwater
is
seeing
next
slide
another
really
important
one.
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide.
A
F
Really
the
cost
and
complexity
of
putting
this
infrastructure
in
you
know,
from
staff
project
management
capacity
to
challenges
with
other
utilities,
especially
in
downtown
or
other
some
of
the
more
urbanized
areas.
Easement
acquisitions
also
a
challenge
and
then
kind
of
looking
at
the
contractor
side.
You
know
seeing
busy
contractors,
you
know
that
are
costing
more
and
materials
are
costing
them
more,
which
they're
passing
along.
That's
also
something
we're
seeing.
E
F
The
operating
side
in
some
of
the
you
know,
maintenance
and
replacement
work
that
we
do
ourselves
those
material
costs
which
again
we
talked
about
in
greater
detail
back
in
january
next
slide
and
then.
A
F
I
just
want
to
mention
you
know
the
impact
of
climate
change,
and
essentially
you
know
if
you
look
at
at
this
chart,
which
is
the
high
water
events
in
the
french
broad
river,
you
can
see
there's
a
lot
more
of
them
in
the
in
the
recent
past
than
there
were
in
a
farther
back
in
time
and
really
all
that
means
is
that
you
know
it's
making
all
of
those
problems
with
deferred
maintenance
and
and
the
other
challenges
that
storm
water
services
is
experiencing,
that
much
worse,
because
we're
seeing
more
flooding
events
happening
in
our
community
next
slide
so
again,
storm
water,
managing
stormwater
is
a
complex
service.
F
We
you
know
it's
it's
trying
to
mitigate
flooding,
it's
trying
to
improve
water
quality
as
well.
We
have
significant
maintenance
and
capacity
needs
within
the
system.
F
The
last
time
that
we
increased
stormwater
fees
was
in
fiscal
year
1920,
and
you
know
we
think
that
we
we
have
some
additional
funding
that
we
need
to
address.
All
of
these
needs
that
we've
been
talking
about
so
next
slide.
What
we're
recommending
is
a
pretty
relatively
minor
increase
to
each
one
of
the
tiers
and
again
just
for
reference.
Most
single
family
residents
are
in
that
middle
that
two
thousand
one
to
four
thousand
square
foot
tier
2,
so
that's
kind
of
where
most
folks,
what
most
folks
are
paying.
F
D
First
of
all,
like
I
said
this,
maybe
already
I
mean
I
just
want
to
know
how
much
does
falcon
county
contribute
to
our
capital
improvements
for
water,
and
so
you
know
for
this
type
of
infrastructure.
Do
they
give
us
anything
towards
it?.
F
D
They
don't
really
help
us
with
the
capital
improvements
about
infrastructure
at
all.
Okay.
The
other
question
I
want
to
ask
you
is
the
2009.
I
did
see
a
big
increase
in
the
you
know
the
flood
issues
down
with
the
frenchman
river.
Would
you
say
that
maybe
what
contributed
to
that
was
all
the
construction,
the
things
that
we
were
doing
there
is
that
what
caused
that
bit
issue
was
that
some
of
it.
F
I'll
defer
to
amy,
deaton
or
greg
shuler
to
hopefully
be
able
to
answer
that
question
better
than
I
can.
I
I
I'll
give
it
the
first
go,
maybe
thousand
women's,
but
it's
probably
a
lot
of
the
development.
That's
happened
upstream
and,
like
taylor
mentioned
before
global
warming
and
climate
pages
is
a
it's
happening,
so
it's
probably
more
to
do
with
development
and
climate
change.
Just
generally
speaking
amy.
I
don't
know
if
you'd
like
to
add
anything
to
them.
J
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
not
aware
of
any
specifics
that
have
caused
that,
but
again
yeah
development-
it's
always
in
and
with
development,
is
not
necessarily
what's
happening
within.
You
know
our
city
limits
as
it
is
coming
from
other
communities
that
just
you
know
it's
the
whole
the
whole
watershed
that
contributes
to
frank,
the
french
broad.
J
So
if
there's
development
going
on
in
other
communities
as
well,
that
that
will
contribute
to
it
also,
but
I
think
in
2004
is
when,
when
we
really
saw
that
the
large
one
of
the
largest
storm
events,
and
that
I
think
that
initiated
some
increases
and
then
again
in
like
2013,
there
was
another
large
storm
event.
So
we've
really
had
large
storm
events
happening.
That
kind
of
have
pushed
stormwater
fee
increases
because
that's
when
people
it's
on
people's
minds,
the
most.
D
Could
we
go
back
to
that
chart
where
he
was
showing
the
actual
impact.
D
Okay
and
so
yeah,
that's
what
I
was
looking
at
more
or
less
2009
I
was
just
wondering-
was
that
particular
reason:
it
was
so
elevated,
more
or
less
that
maybe
you
got
a
handle
on
what
was
causing
that
to
dr
support
to
drop
that
hurricane.
J
Danny
a
lot
of
these
events
are
related
to
major
storm
events
that
come
through
the
area,
so
any
type
of
hurricane
back,
there's
there's
back-to-backs
tropical
storm
events
that
can
happen.
I
think
one
year
there
were
like
three
tropical
storm
events
that
came
through
that
really
caused
some
major
flooding,
so
any
type
of
hurricane
major
tropical
storm
event
or
the
the
biggest
issue
we're
facing
now
is
the
just
the
overall
general
larger
storm
events
that
are
happening
more
on
a
regular
basis.
B
Any
more
questions
sandra.
No,
no,
I'm
fine!
Thank
you!
Okay,
hey
ques,
somewhat
related,
maybe
not
at
all
related.
I
know
that
there
were
unfunded
mandates
from
the
state
to
manage
storm
water
better,
and
I
don't
know
when
that
went
into
effect.
But
my
question
is
because
I
feel
like
it
was
like
2012
2013,
maybe
is
are,
were
those
unfunded
mandates
only
for
municipalities
or
is
that
across
the
board?
Do
counties
have
to
implement
those
stormwater
mitigation,
or
is
it
just
municipalities.
J
So
I
I
think
the
the
stormwater
rules
that
came
from
the
state
there
were
they
initially
started
in
2004,
and
I
think
it
was
the
2005
time
frame
when
they
actually
became
permanent
rules.
Okay
and
so
that's
what
generated
us
having
the
permit
and
having
to
do
a
stormwater
management
plan
and
that
generated
it
was
based
on
a
certain
population
that
you
have
during
a
census
study.
J
So
every
every
census
that
changes
the
update
not
or
updates
the
population.
It
may
kick
in
municipalities,
you
have
a
phase
one
which
were
really
the
really
large
municipalities
like
charlotte
greensboro,
winston-salem,
raleigh
and
then
for
asheville.
We
are
considered
a
phase
two,
so
it's
it's,
those
like
kind
of
next
tier
level,
municipalities
based
on
a
certain
size
and
the
fact
that
you
own
and
operate
what
they
call
ms4s
municipal,
separate
stormwater
systems.
So
the
fact
that
we
manage
we
own
and
operate
a
storm.
J
Our
storm
water
systems,
pipes
ditches
all
of
that.
It
kicked
us
into
having
to
do
those
phase,
two
requirements
and
and
again
as
as
the
census
data
is
updated.
It
will
kick
in
municipalities
that
tend
to
grow
into
that
population.
Size.
B
But
I
mean
basically
to
sanders
point.
You
know,
until
until
parts
of
the
county
become
a
little
bit
bigger,
they're
contributing
to
the
problem,
but
not
helping
to
pay
for
the
problem.
J
The
county
does
there
is.
We
are
there's
two
different
types:
there's
a
designation
qualifier
and
there
there's
another
term,
the
the
county.
Does
it
because
they
want
to
do
it.
The
state
didn't
necessarily
kick
them
in
and
there
are
other
counties
that
meet
that
qualification
that
do
become
an
actually
designated
phase.
Two
community
delegate,
I'm
sorry,
there's
delegated
there
you
go
nancy,
I
was,
I
knew
it
started
with
the
d
is
designated
and
delegated.
So
those
are
the
two
types
of
criteria.
B
Pressure
but
you're
getting
backed
up
by
your
team,
appreciate
that
do
we
have
any
other
questions.
Otherwise
I
think
we
can
move
on.
F
All
right,
so
I
think
next,
we're
gonna
go
into
sanitation
and
again
just
pulled
a
few
slides,
some
information
from
the
presentation
that
we
did
with
you
all
on
sanitation,
which
was
way
back
on
october
26th,
just
kind
of
hitting
a
few
of
those.
You
know
they
have
some
needs
for
additional
staffing
just
to
keep
up
with
the
increasing
number
of
collection
points
that
they've
seen
over
the
last
several
several
years.
F
We
also
have
a
new
recycling
contract
that
we
started.
I
think
this
year,
or
maybe
last
year
I
can't
remember,
but
there's
an
escalator
built
into
that
contract
annually
and
then
also
talked
about
a
need
to
review
the
operations,
their
their
fees
and
the
ordinances,
and
really
kind
of
look
at
all
that
holistically
to
improve
service
delivery.
F
Next
slide.
Another
thing
that
we
discussed
was
that
you
know
some
staffing
specifically
dedicated
to
waste
reduction
would
really
help
us
to
deliver
programs
and
achieve
some
of
city
council's
stated
goals
around
waste
reduction
and
sustainability,
and
also
the
opportunity
to
invest
in
some
staffing
that
could
be
dedicated
to
litter.
F
Camps,
illegal
dumping
and
other
maintenance
challenges
that
are
we're
seeing
in
the
community
right
now
and
trying
to
address
those
concerns
next
slide.
So
the
the
solid
waste
fee
is
really
the
only
fee,
that's
charged
for
any
of
these
services
related
to
sanitation
that
generates
substantial
revenue.
F
We
did
want
to
acknowledge
that
there
is,
you
know,
a
potential
to
make
some
investments
funded
through
either
general
revenues
or
the
american
rescue
plan,
and
that
you
know,
if
neither
of
those
two
options
were
chosen,
that
you
know
we
could
look
at
reducing
our
current
level
of
service
if
there's
not
an
opportunity
to
to
make
additional
investment
in
sanitation
next
slide.
F
So
again,
just
a
little
history.
You
know
we
haven't
increased
the
fee
in
quite
some
time.
The
the
last
time
was
fiscal
year,
2016
2017
and
really
again
we're
seeing
you
know
a
challenge
to
maintain
our
existing
level
of
service
without
some
additional
resources.
So
the
current.
F
Next
slide,
so
we
wanted
to
bring
bring
kind
of
all
of
this
together
for
you
all,
and
if
you
have
questions
about
sanitation,
happy
to
answer
those
of
course
and
and
show
what
the
the
impact
to
these
three
service
areas
and
the
the
fee
changes
associated
with
them
would
be
honest
on
a
what
we're
going
to
I'm
going
to
call
our
standard
kind
of
household
again.
The
the
tier
2
is
what
most
single-family
homes
are
in
in
the
storm
water
and
then
water,
based
on
both.
F
That
base
fee
using
six
ccfs
a
month.
You
can
see
that
the
bi-monthly
bill
and
the
the
total
annual
increase-
and
I
will
note
that
in
a
our
staff
report
that
we
initially
sent
out-
and
I
will
take
the
blame
for
this-
that
the
the
bi-monthly
bill
increase
total
was
not
accurate,
but
this
is
correct.
So
apologies
for
that.
B
What
might
be
helpful
and
you
may
not
have
it
right
now,
but
you
know
it.
It
strikes
me
that
the
solid
waste
I
mean
that
it
looks
like
a
lot,
but
you
know
if
the
last
time
we
had
an
increase
was
17.
B
It
might
be
at
least
to
have
in
our
back
pocket.
You
know
sort
of
what
the
increase
in
our
costs
have
been
for
solid
waste
from
2017.
To
now,
and
basically
you
know
what's
what's
happened.
B
I'm
assuming
is
is
that
the
general
fund
has
absorbed
those
those
increases,
so
it
might
be
good
to
just
have
that.
I
mean
that's,
that's
kind
of
a
long
time
for
those
fees
not
to
have
increased,
and
you
know,
certainly
at
least
this
year
for
sure
you
know,
we've
seen
just
such
a
substantial
increase
in
salaries
for
folks,
and
that
may
just
be
something
to
have
in
case
it
gets
asked
at
the
council
or
the
or
you
know
so
that
our
our
constituents
are
aware
of
these
issues.
F
Well,
I
already
decided
we're
here
for
questions.
I
think
we
just
have
really.
I
think
one
more
slide.
That's
kind
of
a
summary
of
the
other
fee
changes
in
the
staff
report
and
I
will
try
to
go
through
these
relatively
quickly
they're,
all
kind
of
individual
small
changes.
You
know
that
generally
aren't
going
to
impact.
C
So
this
is
where
I
get
concerned
about
the
events.
I
understand
many
of
these
fee
increased
needs.
Can
someone
explain
to
me
why
we
are,
as
we
come
out
of
a
pandemic
as
we
try
and
bring
events
and
other
people
back
downtown
why
we
are
trying
to
make
this
more
difficult?
I
heard
from
a
number
of
the
typical
nonprofits
and
businesses
that
throw
the
events
in
downtown
and
they're
concerned
about
this.
So
can
you
give
me
some
background
on
why.
B
Yeah,
I
wondered
if
you
could
show
show
some
detail
so
that
you
know
for
the
thousands
of
people
that
are
watching
this.
They
can
see
the
background
sure.
F
F
Yeah,
I
think
I
would
ask
john
fillman
to
speak
to
the
specifics,
but
broadly
I'll
say
I
think,
primarily
it's
really
about
the
adjustments
really
about
better
reflecting
the
staff
time
that
goes
into
the
processing
these
applications
and
attending
events.
When,
when
that's
required,
but
john,
please
add
some
some
color
commentary
to
that.
H
Sure,
thank
you.
This
is
john
phillman
with
the
community
community
and
regional
entertainment
facilities
department,
and
I
so
I
I
can
kind
of
go
through
the
reasons
why
we
were
recommending
changes
on
this
first
is
that
we
are
working
to
rebalance
the
use
of
public
space
in
comparison
to
staff
capacity.
H
So
we
are
currently
experiencing
a
a
really
significant
issue
with
yusuf's
public
space.
We
we
don't
have
staff
support
to
provide
for
those
events
that
take
place
in
parks
and
we
have
limited
law
enforcement
resources
to
facilitate
events
and
runs
and
walks,
and
things
like
that
to
the
point
that
we
almost
did
not
have
a
marathon
last
weekend
because
we
are
in
such
such.
H
The
city's
fees
with
for
property
use
fees
have
not
changed
in
at
least
14
years
and
in
our
comparisons
with
other
cities,
for
instance,
charlotte
mecklenburg
county
charges,
an
average
of
150
an
hour
without
any
discounts
for
a
large
number
of
their
and
fifty
dollars
an
hour
for
a
a
park
from
moorhead
street
to
pearl
street.
H
We
also
see
resident
rates
and
non-resident
rates
between
300
and
390
dollars
per
hour
for
a
number
of
additional
parks
in
that
in
that
district.
H
If
we
look
at
greensboro
north
carolina,
the
the
center
city
park
is
250
dollars
per
hour
at
a
2
500
person
capacity
compared
to
pack
square
park
with
an
8
000
person
capacity,
not
including
pack
square.
We
don't
come
anywhere
close
to
what
greensboro
is
charging
for
our
park
spaces.
H
So
we
do
have
a
75
discount
available
to
non-profit
organizations
that
we
offer
on
our
fees
for
permits
and
property
use,
and
so,
while
the
roger
mcgraw
green
and
stage
fee
at
800
for
three
hours
and
200
each
additional
hour
is
an
additional
300
for
the
first
block
and
100
each
additional
hour
after
that
for
a
non-profit
organization
that
would
that
would
reduce
that
to
200
per
hour
and
50
or
200
for
the
first
three
hours
and
fifty
dollars
per
hour
thereafter
right
now,
those
fees
at
the
property
would
be
125
for
the
first
three
hours
and
25
each
additional
hour,
just
for
the
green
space
and
most
of
our
other
parks,
rent
for
on
the
non-profit
rate
25
for
the
first
three
hours
and
seven
dollars
per
hour
thereafter,
and
so
you
can
see
with
these
low
costs
for
rental
rates,
we
are
being
we're,
we're.
H
Definitely
the
lowest
cost
option
of
any
public
or
private
facility
in
this
region,
and
I
think
that
the
that
the
the
reason
why
it's
been
14
years
since
we've
proposed
these
changes
is
because,
under
the
parks
department
where
these
fees
had
lived
previously,
our
motivation
was
not
related
to
cost
recovery
and
under
our
new
department,
we
are
looking
more
towards
getting
getting
closer
to
that
cost
recovery
line.
Although
these
fees
still
do
not
bring
us
anywhere
near
to
where
we
would
need
to
be
for
100
cost
recovery.
H
As
far
as
the
application
fees
go,
we
had
a
50
application
fee
and
a
100
fee
for
events
of
greater
than
1
000
people
in
attendance.
H
We
are
seeing
that
the
cost
to
administer
these
applications
is
increasing
the
software
technologies
that
we
need
to
become
more
efficient,
run
about
15
to
20
000
per
year
for
those
costs
and
and
we're
just
we're
just
not
coming
anywhere
close
to
recovering
our
costs.
For
administering
these
events,
so
we
are
looking
at
providing
the
the
100
application
fee
for
events
of
500,
a
application
fee
for
events
of
up
to
8
000
in
attendance
and
a
400
application
fee
for
events
over
8
000
attendance.
H
I
can
say
that
you
would
probably
only
have
two,
maybe
three
events
that
would
reach
that
scale
and
right
now
those
are
city
events
that
we
are
not
charging
those
fees
on
anyway.
So
we're
looking
at
a
100
or
200
application
fee
in
most
cases
for
for
special
events
with
property
use
fees
applied
when
they
use
public
space
outside
of
a
street.
C
I
just
think
it's
a
really
unfortunate
year
to
try
and
do
this
much
like
we
didn't
raise
water
in
the
middle
of
the
pandemic,
and
I
so
I'm
I
don't
know
how
we're
gonna
end
up
voting
on
this
today,
but
this
particular
one,
if
it's
all
lumped
together,
I'm
hoping
this
one's
separate
because
I'm
not
in
support.
B
So,
john,
you
know
you've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
this
and
you
know
clearly
have
looked
at
competitive
cities
and
I
think
it's
very
eye-opening.
The
fact
that
you
know
you're
saying
we
haven't
touched
these
in
14
years.
You
know
that.
B
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
what
the
thinking
was
as
to
why
we
never
second
guessed
ourselves
on
this,
but
you
know
we're
clearly
way
behind
on
keeping
up
with
costs
etc.
B
Might
I
ask
that
when
this
is
presented
to
council,
you
know
just
because
certainly
in
this
area,
you
know
folks
out
there
want.
Some
may
want
some
more
information
that
we
amend
the
staff
report
to
include
this.
You
know
the
kind
of
detail
you
just
gave
us
about
competitive
competition,
etc.
I
mean
not
competition,
but
you
know
comparison
to
other
cities,
etc,
and-
and
one
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
see
is
to
show
people
how
how
much
we
are
not
recovering
that.
B
You
know
this
is
not
a
revenue
generator
for
the
city
and
while
you
know
we
want
to
support
our
non-profit
partners,
you
know
we're
a
non-profit
also,
and
so
why
should
general
taxpayers
support?
You
know
these
non-profits
they're,
probably
increasing
their
fees,
etc.
So
I
mean
you
know,
I
think,
to
just
make
it
clear
that
this
is
not.
You
know.
This
is
not
intended
to
be
a
profit
maker
and
not
even
close
to
making
a
profit
sage.
I'm
sorry
go
ahead.
C
No,
that's,
okay
and
it's.
I
do
agree
that
it's
odd
we've
waited
14
years.
I
just
don't
think
this
is
the
best
year
to
do
this
and
we've
been
getting
some
emails
about
a
run
of
special
events.
C
I
think
they're
categorizing
our
special
events,
the
downtown
farmers
market,
and
this
may
be
a
great
example
of
what
is
happening
like
that
farmers
market
may
not
even
happen
because
we
cannot,
if
I
understand
correctly,
they
need
things
that
only
the
city
can
supply,
but
we
don't
have
the
staff
to
supply
them,
so
the
market
may
not
happen.
Is
that
is
that
correct
to
y'all's
knowledge?
And
I
mean-
is
this
an
example
of
that
happening-
that
we
just
don't
have
the
staff
to
create
and
somehow
this
leveraging
fees
for
a
total
of
fifty
thousand
dollars.
H
But
for
the
moment
we
are
okay
with
the
city
market
using
the
vehicles
as
barriers,
we
do
not
have
the
staff
to
put
out
the
vehicle
barriers
that
are
being
recommended
by
law
enforcement.
At
this
point
in
time,
we
are
looking
at
every
possible
option.
We
can
to
try
to
create
a
way
for
organizers
to
be
self-sufficient,
on
that,
it's
just
difficult
for
organizers
to
make
that
type
of
investment
in
these
materials.
H
For
a
one-time
event,
and
because
of
our
area,
we
don't
have
those
resources
nearby,
making
it
cost-effective
for
them
to
to
get
those
water-filled
barriers
or
other
resources
at
a
one-day
event.
But
that
is
that
is
similar
to
where
we
are
councilwoman
turner,
with
our
ex.
With
our
experience
we
we
do.
C
Thank
you,
john.
Have
the
folks
that
do
some
of
the
smaller
events
been
notified
have
any
of
these
vendors
that
normally
work
with
us
been
notified,
or
because
I'm
hearing
from
some
right
now
that
they
had
no
idea
this
was
even
coming.
So
just
a
little,
I
mean
just
a
little
background.
I
work
downtown
a
lot
and
know
a
lot
of
the
events
and
help
volunteer
for
them
and
stuff,
and
I
just
want
to
express
that
they
are
sharing.
This
will
be
very
difficult
and
will
probably
cancel
some
events
for
them.
C
F
F
So
again,
quickly
trying
to
continue
down
the
list:
development
related
fees,
that's
primarily
marginal
increase
in
fees
charged
for
storm
water
review
and
permitting,
and
something
that
I
think,
you'll
you'll
hear
me
say
frequently
over
the
next
several
minutes.
That's
really
about
bringing
our
cost
recovery
closer
to.
F
In
this
particular
instance,
alignment
with
recommendations
from
the
2018
development
fee
study
that
we
completed
homestay
and
noise
exceedance
permits
the
homestay
is
increasing
fifty
dollars
for
a
new
application,
twenty-five
dollars
for
a
renewal
and
again
that's
to
better
recover
the
cost
of
administration
and
enforcement.
F
The
noise
ordinance
related
piece
is
really
just
adding
to
the
feed
manual,
the
the
the
permitting
that's
outlined
within
that
ordinance
on
traffic
control,
materials
and
services.
Again,
this
is
primarily
cost
of
providing
equipment
and
staff.
At
events-
and
you
know
we
are
often
having
to
utilize
overtime,
to
find
folks
to
work
those
events
again
as
john
kind
of
mentioned,
and
again
that's
about
recovering
costs,
right-of-way
closures
for
the
permanent
right-of-way
closures.
That's
really
splitting
an
existing
fee
to
better
align
with
our
process.
F
C
We
added
a
cap
on
a
daily
rate
and
saw
a
significant
increase
in
income,
simply
because
people
would
pay
for
the
whole
day,
not
knowing
what
they
would
be
doing
and
then
move
on
and
the
next
person
would
come
and
so
on.
So
I
just
noticed:
that's
not
an
option.
It
may
be
something
we
want
to
think
about.
F
And
ken
or
or
garrett,
if
you
want
to
tell
me,
I
do
think
that
the
providing
that
flat
fee
would
allow
us
to
just
kind
of
do
a
one.
You
know
pay
pay
that
and
you'd
be
good
for
the
day,
but
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
on
that.
G
Yes,
this
is
ken
putnam
with
the
transportation
department
sage.
That
sounds
like
a
a
good
option,
a
good
idea.
The
way
we
patterned
what
we've
got
shown
was
what
was
done
by
a
lot
of
the
private
lots,
and
it's
still
done
by
the
private
lots
that
we're
aware
of
where
they
charge
a
flat
fee
for
every
time
you
enter.
So
as
an
example,
if
you
were
to
go
into
the
marjory
lot,
we'll
say
at
five
o'clock
after
the
employees
are
gone
and
you
could
stay
there.
G
So
in
a
way,
I
think
that
structure
does
a
little
bit
of
what
you're
saying,
because
you
could
stay
there
all
day
and
there's
an
example
of
a
private
lot
over
on
cox
avenue
where
they
charge
three
dollars.
If
you
came
in
at
7
30
in
the
morning
as
an
employee,
you
could
stay
there
all
day
and
leave
at
5
30
and
you've
only
paid
three
dollars.
But
if
you
decided
to
leave
for
lunch
and
came
back,
you'd
have
to
pay
another
three
dollars.
A
F
All
right
last,
I
think,
we're
at
the
last
two
here
daily
use
of
metered
parking,
that's
again
a
better
better,
reflecting
the
cost
of
review
and
revenue
loss
from
hourly
parking,
and
that's
for
when
you
know,
spaces
are
closed
down
for
construction
or
an
event.
Or
what
have
you
also
a
slight
increase
for
specifically
for
the
use
of
ada
spaces
or
loading
zones,
because
there's
limited
availability
of
those
two,
those
two
specifically
around
downtown?
G
And
just
a
minor
correction
on
that,
where
we
show
the
change
for
the
use
of
the
80
spaces
instead
of
18,
it
would
be
a
28
change,
because
the
current
fee
is
22
for
any
space.
So
that's
just
a
typo.
C
Oh,
I'm
sorry,
one
more
question.
I
have
so
many
questions
today.
I'm
sorry,
but
so
my
experience
with
meters
downtown
is
that
you
park
at
the
two
hours
now
I
use
the
park
mobile
app.
I
don't
feed
the
change,
but
you
have
to
move
you
can't
just
renew
or
update.
So
how
does
someone
pay
25
dollars
for
an
entire
day
in
a
metered
space?
Is
there
some
activity,
I'm
not
aware
of
or
an
option.
G
This
is,
I
say,
that's
a
very
good
question.
This
is
when
someone
needs
to
close
the
space
like
for
a
construction
activity
or
special
event,
or
something
like
that
that
that's
what
we're
talking
about
and
unfortunately,
a
lot
of
times,
you'll
see
that
these
spaces
will
have
a
dumpster
in
them
or
something
like
that.
F
And
so
just
to
find,
thank
you
for
that
ken
appreciate
it.
The
last
one
is
adjustments
to
water
development
fees
and
those
are
fees
that
folks
pay
for
new
connections
to
the
water
system.
C
Me
again,
sorry,
so
I
think
by
the
time
this
gets
to
council,
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
some
explanation
next
to
these
meter
sizes.
I'm
not
sure
that
everyone
will
know
the
difference
between
an
eight
inch
or
two
inch.
An
example
could
be
like
the
types
of
projects
we're
reviewing.
So
if
a
say,
200
apartment,
complex
needs,
a
10
inch
or
now
needs
a
12
inch,
but
they
wanted
to
have
affordable
housing.
This
could
be
an
impact.
C
L
L
We
have
actually
have
one
10
inch
meter
in
the
system,
but
most
of
hotels
and
things
like
that
are
in
the
three
to
four
inch
range
and
apartment
complexes
are
typically
either
six
or
eight
six
being
a
minimum,
because
that's
what
is
required
for
fire
flow
and
fire
hydrants
and
those
type
things.
But
we
can
add
that
to
this.
Thank.
C
L
C
B
To
to
further
sage's
question,
I
thought
that
for
a
lot
of
these
fees,
like
the
you
know,
development
fees
like
the
hookup
fees
for
lack
of
a
better
expression,
I
thought
the
city
did
does
give
discounts
for
affordable
housing.
B
L
L
Yeah
at
one
point
we
did
some
different
things
for
affordable
housing,
but
because
of
sullivan,
we
found
out
that
we
probably
shouldn't
have
been
doing
those,
so
we
discontinued
those.
B
Don't
want
to
stop
them
from
doing
it,
but
I
I
also
don't
want
them
to
be
doing
something
that
you
know.
If
we've
decided
that
maybe
we're
running
a
foul
of
the
law,
I
don't
want
msd
doing
it,
I
mean
because
they
they
gave
those
discounts
at
our
request.
Not
you
know
just
out
of
the
goodness
of
their
heart.
I
think.
L
B
Oh,
okay
and
and
other
questions
sage,
you
acted
like
you
act
like
you,
wanted
to
say
something.
B
K
There
was
an
analysis
of
that
in
the
transit
master
plan
and
I
do
believe
they
recommended
a
slight
increase
at
that
time.
I
think
you
know
personally,
I
feel
like
we're
trying
to
get
more
folks
using
transit
and
since
it's
such
a
small
portion
of
our
revenue,
I
don't
know
that
it.
The
the
economic
benefit
to
our
vulnerable
communities,
outweighs
that.
But
if
that's
something
that
you
would
like
us
to
look
at
we'd
be
happy
to.
B
Well,
I
mean
it's
prob,
you
know
not
for
this
year,
but
I
do
I
do
feel
like
you
know.
If,
if
we're
gonna
see
these
fuel
costs
doing
what
they
continue
to
do
and
energy
costs
doing
what
they
continue
to
do,
you
know
we're
just
digging
ourselves:
a
bigger
and
bigger
hole
with
the
transit
with
the
transit
funding.
B
C
May
I
ask
while
we
have
both
jessica
and
ken
here,
if
the
parking
fee
collection
has
been
fixed
or
are
we
still
seeing
garage
able
to
function
and
therefore
not
able
to
provide
money
for
transit?
I
know
that's
not
on
our
agenda,
but
if
there's
an
update,
I'd
love
that.
G
Yes,
sage,
that,
again,
that's
a
good
question.
As
far
as
the
equipment
itself,
the
new
equipment
from
a
technological
basis,
that's
all
been
solved,
and
that
was
solved
and
fully
put
into
operation
on
february
28th.
G
We
are
still
struggling,
though,
with
I
guess
the
perception
of
the
folks
that
had
tried
to
use
it
and
they
didn't
work
for
them,
so
we're
working
very
closely
with
the
vendor
to
try
to
communicate
and
to
get
people
to
use
it
more
and
the
thing
that's
hard
to
believe
when
someone
is
trying
to
get
out
instead
of
breaking
the
gate.
G
G
B
B
Right
so
if
somebody
runs
through
a
parking
gate,
is
there
any
ramification
to
that
individual.
G
When
we
used
to
when
we
had
the
security
cameras
and
they
always
function,
the
police
department
would
based
on
the
license
tag
and
if
it
was
local,
especially
they
would
take
an
invoice
on
our
behalf
to
the
to
the
homeowner.
G
E
I
think
we
are
close
to
done
taylor's
going
to
hand
it
back
off
to
me,
so
I
think
we
can
skip
this
question
slide
unless
there's
anything
else
from
the
committee
just
a
reminder
where
we
go
from
here.
So
we
do
have
a
council
work
session
april
12th
and
then
we
would
look
to
bring
you
all
this
package
of
fees
that
we've
discussed
today
at
the
april
26
council
meeting
for
adoption.
So
with
that.
A
E
All
we
have
unless
ms
campbell
has
anything
to
add.
I
would
turn
it
back
over
to
council
member
whistler.
B
Okay,
so
I
see
that
you
want
an
action.
Well,
I
guess
you
want
us
to
move
this
forward
to
review
by
city
council,
and
I
heard
councilwoman
turner
suggest
that
we
separate
the
fees
out
and
so
I'd
entertain
a
motion
to
to
approve-
or
you
know,
basically
recommend
these
changes,
except
for
the.
B
Regional
entertainment
facilities
is
that
what
you're
saying
paige,
I
think
that's
what
titled
yeah
so
basically
page
six,
so
everything
but
every
page
six
make
that
to
take.
C
B
I'll
second,
okay,
great
so
I'll
do
a
roll
call.
So
this
is
basically
bringing
recommending
approval
of
these
fee
changes
to
city
council,
except
for
page
six,
the
community
and
regional
entertainment
facilities.
So
with
that
councilwoman
kilgore,
councilwoman,
turner,
hi,
okay
and
I'm
an
eye
okay
and
then
we'll
separately,
do
a
recommendation
for
the
community
and
regional
entertainment
facilities.
B
May
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
those
changes,
some
and
I'd
second
that
so
I
will
also
do
a
roll
call
on
this,
and
this
is
just
for
the
community
and
regional
entertainment
facilities,
changes,
councilwoman,
kilgore,
aye,
councilwoman,
turner,
nay,
and
I'm
a
I'm
an
I.
So
if
we
can
have
the
minutes
reflect
that
to
go
to
city
council,
okay,
great
and
again,
staff,
you've
done
a
really
great
job
and
it's
clear
that
you've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
bringing
forward.
You
know
the
history
of
these
fees
etc.
B
I
would
just
suggest
on
you
know
if
you
listen
to
our
discussion
and
the
kind
of
questions
we're
answering
if
we
could,
if
we
could
beef
up
the
staff
report,
so
that
I
mean
you
know
it
was
very
telling
for
me.
You
know
unfortunate
timing,
but
you
know
the
fact
that
we
haven't
raised
facilities.
Fees
for
14
years
is
pretty
telling
to
me,
and
I
think
if
we
had
that
out
in
the
community
it
would
be.
B
It
would
be
helpful
and
maybe
blunt
a
little
bit
of
the
criticism
I
mean
nobody
wants
to
see
fees
increases.
I
mean
we
all
get
that,
but
but
we
also
are
all
dealing
with
the
reality
of
increased
costs
and-
and
you
know-
and
I
just
think
it's
very
clear-
that
the
city
is
not
trying
to
make
money
on
on
these
and-
and
you
know,
I
think,
there's
an
I
think-
there's
an
equity
discussion
too.
It's
like,
why
should
property?
B
Why
should
property
owners
take
on
such
significant
burden
for
areas
that
you
know
benefit
a
few?
So
that's
just
my
18
cents
apparently
so
we
have.
We
did
not
get
any
so
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
public
comment.
B
We
did
not
get
any
pre
any
comments
before
the
meeting,
either
by
voicemail
or
email.
Do
we
have
anyone
on
the
line
that
would
like
to
make
any
public
comment?
Alicia.
B
Is
there
anybody
watching
alicia
no
wounded
all
right?
Well,
no,
I'm
sure,
I'm
sure
this
will
be
the
one
that
you
know
will
attract
youtube
viewers
for
for
years,
and
I
do
I
really
it
was
fun
to
watch
staff
back
each
other
up
with
all
with
all
the
questions,
because
this
committee
has
a
tendency
to
ask
a
lot
of
questions
so
as
as
we
affectionately
say,
it's
watching
it's
fun
to
watch
your
you're
working
together
so
amicably.
B
So
with
that,
I
will
adjourn.