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From YouTube: Housing and Community Development – April 18, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the Asheville City Council's Housing & Community Development Committee.
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A
A
We
are
live.
Thank
you
and
good
morning,
everyone
I'm
Sage
Turner,
chair
of
the
Housing
and
Community
Development
Committee
I.
Welcome
you
to
the
April
18th
remote
meeting.
All
council
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today.
Welcome
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll,
be
guiding
us
through
the
agenda
stage
section
as
we
reach
it.
We're
also
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement,
Hub
and
that
is
accessible
through
the
city's
website.
On
the
front
page
you'll
find
a
link
for
virtual
and
hate
engagement
Hub.
A
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone.
For
those
of
you
out
there
you
will
call
855-925-2801,
and
that
is
meeting
code
9791.
We
also
have
the
option
for
people
to
call
in
and
comment
live
during
the
meeting
to
do
so.
You'll
use
the
same
number
855-925-2801
and
meeting
code
9791.
Your
phone
will
be
muted
and
you'll
hear
the
meeting
live.
At
this
point,
the
speakers
will
need
to
push
star
3
to
enter
the
speaker.
A
B
C
A
A
There
we
go:
okay,
opening
apologies
for
the
delay.
Okay,
we've
got
two
sets
of
minutes
to
approve.
First,
it's
the
minutes
for
March,
29th
and
April.
4Th
can
I
get
a
motion
we'll
need
to
vote
separately.
So
a
motion
on
the
first
one
for
March
29th,
so
moved
on.
A
A
Senator
roll
call
vote,
councilman,
Mosley,
aye,
councilman,
Smith,
aye,
myself,
aye
all
right.
The
minutes
are
approved.
Thank
you.
We've
had
so
many
meetings.
Recently.
All
right
item
number
two:
an
exciting
one:
conveyance
of
the
Hunt
Hill
property.
To
my
daddy
taught
me
that
I
think
Nikki
Reed
is
going
to
walk
us
through
that.
E
A
E
Nikki
absolutely
hello,
everyone.
My
name
is
Nikki
Reed
I'm,
the
director
of
the
community
and
Economic
Development
Department
I'm,
here
to
present
today
regarding
the
conveyance
of
three
Hill
Place
at
the
top
here.
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
that
Keenan
lake
is
here
with
my
daddy
taught
me
that
KL
training,
Solutions,
he's
joined
us
today
and
is
available
for
questions
at
the
end.
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
that
D
Tyrell
mcgirt
our
Parks
and
Rec
director,
as
well
as
Jay
Dundas
capital
projects,
director
Janice
Ashley
two.
E
E
In
the
low
to
moderate
income,
demographic
KL
training
Solutions
is
requesting
the
conveyance
of
this
property
for
a
dollar
and
then
know
that
too.
If
this
property
conveyance
is
approved,
the
deed
will
include
restrictions
that
it
may
only
be
used
for
these
Community
Development
purposes
and
activities.
E
So
that's
really
the
statutory
of
framework
that
allows
us
to
look
at
this
conveyance
for
a
dollar,
because
we
do
also
include
these
restrictions
that
will
follow
with
this
use,
and
so
that
is
listed
here
that
it
will
be
restricted
to
programs
concerned
with
employment,
Economic,
Development
crime,
prevention,
Child,
Care,
Health
and
drug
abuse,
counseling
education
and
Welfare
for
the
needs
of
persons
of
low
to
moderate
income.
So
that's
really
that
statutory
of
reference
next
slide
Katie
and
we'll
talk
about
the
property
sum.
E
So
this
is
really
just
a
center
us
on
on
location
where
we
are.
What
you're
seeing
outlined
in
Orange
is
the
proposed
property
boundary,
so
we're
actually
looking
at
taking
one
entire
parcel
and
then
a
portion
of
another
city-owned
parcel,
and
that
comprises
a
total
land
area
of
about
half
an
acre,
and
so
that's
outlined
with
orange.
We'll
look
at
some
pictures
in
a
second.
E
You
also
note
that
the
city
will
also
need
to
convey
and
access
easement,
so
there's
a
a
front
access
easement
to
the
left
of
the
screen,
and
then
there
to
the
right
is
the
access
to
the
rear.
It
also
accesses
a
city
parking
lot,
so
the
city
will
want
to
maintain
that
in
full
ownership
but
allow
access
easement
for
KL
training,
Solutions.
So
next
slide
and
we'll
look
at
that
again.
E
So
really,
when
we
think
about
this
property,
we
want
to
acknowledge
that
the
prior
use
was
the
Asheville
Parks
and
Recreation
Asset
Management
Division
and,
as
you
all
know,
we
just
have
have
signed
an
agreement
with
ncdot
to
lease
a
facility
for
the
relocation
of
this
division
before
the
parks
and
rec
use.
So
this
is
dating
back
several
years.
The
purchasing
offices
were
actually
located
there
and
they
had
a
warehouse
for
all
kinds
of
different
supplies
and
materials
that
the
city
would
have
on
on
site
for
you.
E
E
Neighborhood
that
did
see
the
impacts
of
urban
renewal.
This
property
was
actually
Acquired
and
predated
that
urban
renewal
activity
in
that
area.
So
we
wanted
to
clarify
that,
through
our
deed
of
research,
this
property
was
not
included
in
the
land
takings
associated
with
urban
renewal,
and
nor
was
this
property
purchased
with
imminent
domain.
So
we
wanted
to
be
clear
that
that
was
some
of
the
history
of
the
property
next
slide
there,
and
so
again,
what
we're
wanting
to
show
is
the
the
the
personal
and
proximity
to
the
adjacent
properties.
E
Again
you'll
see
that
orange
boundary
really
shows
the
boundaries
of
the
proposed
land
conveyance
to
KL
training,
Solutions
you'll,
see
McCormick
field,
the
tourist
Stadium
there
and
Memorial
Stadium
to
the
rear
of
the
property
and
then
those
parking
uses
that
will
continue
to
serve
the
the
park
there.
E
E
E
So
when
we
thought
about
you
know,
looking
at
this
proposal
really
seeing
how
this
aligns
with
our
city
council
goals,
here's
what
we
have.
So
we
see
that
this
supports
the
city's
vision
of
creating
that
connected
and
engaged
Community
by
partnering
with
a
non-profit
organization.
That's
really
strong,
and
that
vision
is
really
how
we
leverage
those
Partnerships
to
help
build
up
our
community.
It
supports
the
the
city
council,
Focus
area,
the
Equitable
and
diverse
Community
by
programming
that
really
focuses
on
the
needs
of
use
of
low
mod
income
together.
E
This
city
has
joined
forces
to
support
the
United
for
youth
goal
and
that
by
2035.
This
is
the
vision
of
that
goal
that
all
city
and
Buncombe
County
students
graduate
from
high
school
ready
and
fully
prepared
to
pursue
their
goals
and
dreams.
So
really
an
admirable
goal
that
we
see
how
this
use
would
really
fit
into
supporting
that
it
provides
a
youth
enrichment
opportunity
in
Easton
and
Valley
Street,
and
really
we
see
how
repurposing
a
former
facilities
used
in
into
Community
use
is
highest
and
best
for
this
particular
location.
E
Next
slide
and
I.
Think
that
takes
us
back
to
the
end.
So
key
takeaways
really
looking
to
utilize
an
opportunity
here
with
city-owned
property
to
reorient
that
use
from
a
facilities
use
to
a
community
use.
Kl
training
solutions
would
be
the
owner
of
property.
That
will
be
the
the
legal
name
here
that
will
be
the
owner
of
property
conveyance
for
a
dollar,
and
so
we
are
asking
that
this
committee
make
a
recommendation
to
city
council
concerning
this
use,
and
we
have.
E
The
next
slide
shows
the
proposed
motion,
and
this,
if
approved
today,
will
be
going
to
council
at
the
April
25th
meeting
and
so
I
shared
all
those
resources,
the
staff,
members
and
Keenan
Lake
who's
here
to
address
any
questions,
but
with
that
we'll
be
happy
to
turn
it
back
over
to
the
chair
to
lead
us
through
the
next
conversation.
Thank.
D
I'll
just
want
to
add
that
I
did
receive
actually
a
call
from
someone
living
right
at
the
Hunt
Hill
Edgehill
intersection,
and
she
too
was
in
support
of
this
project.
She's
someone
who's
lived
there
apparently
several
decades.
F
F
G
First
of
all,
you
know
just
gratitude,
I
mean
you
know.
We
have
been
pushing
for
a
long
time
and
to
see
things
like
this
happen
in
our
community
to
be
able
to
partner-
and
you
know,
have
the
support
of
the
city.
You
know
it's
something
ideal,
so
you
know
truly
truly
just
appreciative
but
ready
to
work.
I
think
we,
you
know,
you
guys
know
my
heart
and
just
we
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
things
that
we
could
do
in
a
while.
G
G
You
know
something
that's
worth
it,
but
what
I
think
is
that
this
can
be
a
beacon
for
our
community
and
we
can
not
only
work
with
the
youth
and
my
daddy
taught
me
that,
but
all
the
youth
within
the
city-
and
so
you
know,
I,
just
look
at
this
as
a
win-win
for
the
city
of
Asheville
and
truly
for
my
daddy
taught
me
that
and
truly
appreciate
the
support.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you,
Keenan
I'm
glad
you're.
Finally,
at
this
step,
I
know
building
hunting
has
been
going
on
for
some
years
and
this
is
a
great
solution,
so
it
sounds
like
a
little
bit
of
a
capital
campaign
may
occur.
We'll
hear
more
about
that
later.
Wonderful
news.
Congratulations.
A
And
thanks
for
being
here
today
to
help
us
celebrate
with
you
I
guess
we
just
need
to
Simply
move
this
forward
to
council
and
there's
a
suggested
motion.
It
might
disappear.
That's
in
your
documents,
if
anyone.
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
we
have
a
first
in
a
second
and
we'll
do
a
roll
call.
The
councilwa
Mosley
aye
councilwoman
Smith
aye
councilman
Turner
hi
yay.
This
passes
and
we'll
move
to
council
for
a
further
vote.
It
sounded
like
at
our
next
meeting.
April
25th
did
I
hear
that
right
all
right,
great
well,
Keenan,
maybe
we'll
see
you
April
25th
I'll,
be
wondering.
G
A
Right
great
bring
some
kids,
okay!
Thank
you!
Everybody
and
we
have
completed
item
number
two
on
our
agenda,
my
iPad's
not
being
very
friendly.
Today.
Okay,
at
item
number,
three
land
use
incentive,
Grant
request
for
Fair,
Haven,
Summit
I,
believe
our
affordable
housing
officer
Sasha
is
going
to
walk
us
through
this
great.
Thank
you.
H
H
They
will
be
averaging
incomes
between
58
and
60.
Ami
26
of
the
units
will
be
set
aside
for
project-based
vouchers
and
the
Project's
also
bringing
some
other
benefits
as
well.
Next.
H
H
Next,
so,
as
I
said
in
the
key
takeaways
20,
six
percent
of
the
units
are
or
20
apartments
are
planned
to
receive
project-based
vouchers,
so
they've
been
working
with
the
housing
authority
on
that
an
additional
12
percent
of
units
will
be
prioritizing
households
participating
in
the
state's
Key
Program,
which
serves
low-income
households
with
disabilities,
who
are
in
need
of
Supportive
Services
and
then
a
dis
additional
rental
assistance.
Programs
will
also
be
accepted.
H
A
A
H
Services
yeah,
so
that
points
to
the
fact
that
this
is
a
low
income,
housing
tax
credit
project.
So
it's
it's
in
a
way
fundamentally
different
than
the
usual
luige
projects
that
you
all
see,
which
are
usually
market
rate
developers
just
setting
aside
20
of
their
units,
whereas
this
in
this
whole
project
is
Affordable.
H
H
So
here's
the
location,
it's
in
South
Asheville
between
Henderson,
you
know
off
of
Sweden
Creek
Road
near
the
intersection
of
Hendersonville
Road
and
Mills
Gap
next-
and
this
is
just
some
exterior
elevations
I-
believe
this
project
will
be
in
front
of
you
at
city
council
next
week.
Actually,
next
so
just
quickly
a
point
summary
100
of
the
units
are
affordable.
The
affordability
period
is
30
years.
H
50
of
the
units
are
set
aside
for
low
income
and
50
is
also
the
rental
assistance,
which
is
partly
what
I
was
outlining
an
earlier
slide,
they're
committing
to
Energy
Efficiency
Universal
Design
in
20
of
the
units,
and
they
are
building
in
a
non-qualified
census
tract
so
an
area
where
there's
actually
a
very
low
poverty
level,
so
that
because
this
is
a
tax
credit
project,
they
actually
kind
of
blow
the
whole
point
scale
out
of
the
water
and
but
our
policy
limits.
You
know
the
grant
to
21
years.
H
So
you
know
technically,
they
could
qualify
for
almost
40
years,
but
we're
really
looking
at
21
years
next
foreign.
So
these
are
just
the
numbers
currently
they're
paying
taxes
of
around
sixteen
hundred
dollars
a
year.
On
the
vacant
land,
they
will
continue
to
pay
that,
throughout
the
grant
period,
with
that
estimated
tax
value
of
12.43
million,
the
annual
city
property
tax
would
be
approximately
fifty
thousand
dollars.
H
So
what
that
does
is
when
you
do
the
multiplication
you
get
about,
one
million
dollars
in
the
grant
or
13
222
dollars
per
s
per
unit
for
subsidy
and
then,
after
the
grants
over,
we
would
receive
the
full
property
taxes
back.
H
So
if
the
county
approves
that
request,
they
would
also
be
in
this
project
for
about
1.5
million,
possibly
a
little
bit
more.
So
we
would
actually
be
on
par
with
the
county
for
funding
this
project.
If
that
makes
a
difference
to
you,
I
don't
know
if
it
does
next,
so
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this
luige.
H
H
Sean
Brady
is
here
and
to
answer
any
questions.
C
A
Thank
you,
Sean
just
hold
on
a
second
councilwoman
any
questions
or
thoughts
for
staff.
At
this
time.
F
I
wanted
to
know
if
there
is
an
update
on
whether
HUD,
but
it's
going
to
approve
the
project-based
vouchers.
H
I
There's
no
update,
it
still
has
to
go
through
the
subsidy
layering
review,
but
based
on
the
information
that
we
have,
that
it
doesn't
appear
like
it'll,
be
a
problem
with
with
getting
that
approval
and-
and
even
if
makes
a
modification,
because
there's
too
much
subsidy,
they
would
they
would
just
adjust.
The
rent
amounts
that
we
that
we
are
allowed
to
pay.
I
So
I
think
it's
likely
that
it
will
be
approved
by
we're
still
waiting
on
a
few
documents,
including
firm
commitments
of
funding
from
the
developer,
to
be
able
to
submit
that
to
HUD
a.
A
H,
thank
you,
and
this
is
a
tax
credit
award.
So
Janice
is
on
I
think
you
know
I
always
get
a
little
confused,
I
wonder
if
the
public
does
too
so.
We
often
see
a
different
developer
doing
these
projects
and
they
happen
to
be
a
non-profit,
so
we
don't
usually
see
Luigi
layered
in
to
a
tax
credit
project
right.
A
So
in
this
case
these
developers
are
not
non-profits.
They
are
obligated
to
pay
property
tax
already
it
gets
a
little
confusing
when
these
tax
credit
projects
come
in
Janice.
Do
you
know
much
about
this
because
we've
had
it
come
up
in
a
couple
meetings
now
the
various
ways
that
organizations
that
are
doing
tax
credit
projects
are
taxed.
C
I
I,
don't
you
know
this
was
news
to
me
about
the
County's
program
that
to
to
that
that
they
tax
non-profits
if
they're
getting
a
subsidy
from
the
county,
I
I.
It
was
news
to
me
so
but
I'm
sure
it's
permissible.
C
So
that's
one
factor
I
think
this
developers
also
run
into
additional
costs
in
the
development
of
the
project.
So
I,
you
know.
Yes,
tax
credits
are
usually
covered,
but
the
costs
are
I
know
other
tax
credit
developments
because
I
follow
what's
happening
at
the
state,
have
had
to
come
back
and
either
ask
for
more
more
money
from
local
governments
or
sometimes
for
tax
credits,
because
the
housing
costs
are
going
up
everywhere.
So
right.
A
And
I
guess
more.
What
I
was
alluding
to
is
that
a
previous
council
meeting
recently
had
a
non-profit
tax
credit
developer
presenting
and
they
chose
not
to
use
the
Luigi
because
they
find
it
doesn't
pencil.
I
don't
want
to
get
us
into
the
weeds
I
just
want.
If
we
had
a
little
bit
of
information
there
and
I
can
follow
up
with
you
separately.
I
agree.
These
projects
keep
coming
back
for
needs
and
increasing
costs,
and
it's
we're
seeing
it
with
several
projects.
A
Brownie
Newman
on
the
County,
Commission
and
I
tend
to
talk
about
these
projects
so
that
we're
at
least
in
sync,
with
the
county
and
the
city,
and
we
were
talking
recently
about
several
of
these
projects
coming
back
for
more
and
just
making
sure
we
can
do
whatever
we
can
to
get
them
across
the
Finish
Line,
because
we've
invested
so
much
time,
energy
and
money
behind
them
already
so
I'm
going
to
be
supportive
of
this
and
I'm
I'm
glad
that
it's
moving
forward,
I'm,
especially
excited
about
being
in
a
non-q
CT
I,
think
that's
a
benefit
down
there
in
South
Asheville
Council.
A
If
you
have
no
other
questions
or
comments,
I'd
entertain
a
motion.
J
Yes,
can
everybody
hear
me?
Okay,
yes,
okay,
great
I
did
want
to
share
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
that
kind
of
the
reason
for
our
Luigi
request.
We
do
have
a
qualified
non-profit
in
our
ownership
structure
and
our
understanding
is
under
the
the
state
supreme
court
case
law
precedent.
We
qualify
for
full
property
tax
exemption,
the
issue
that-
and
that
is
actually
more
to
Fair
Haven
summit's
Financial
benefit
than
the
luige.
J
However,
it
it
does
all
revolve
around
the
County's
policy
of
basically
not
not
following
that.
That
requirement
that
if
you
have
ahsp
funding
support
which
which
we
do,
thankfully
you're
required
to
pay
full
property
taxes,
and
but
because
of
that,
then
we're
having
a
quest
of
Luigi
to
to
try
to
offset
some
of
that.
J
I
do
know
that
last
year
the
affordable
housing
committee
for
the
county
recommended
removing
that
requirement,
which
would
be
to
to
our
benefit
into
others,
because
it
is,
it
would
allow
us
to
increase
our
loan
proceeds
more
than
the
Luigi
will
allow
us
to
increase,
but
the
Luigi
is
better
than
you
know:
full
property,
tax
payment
and
and
we've
used
the
same
structure
on
numerous
other,
affordable
housing
projects
in
other
counties,
and
it
is
a
very
important
tool
to
to
making
the
numbers
penciled
out
these
days
on
affordable
housing
developments,
but
but
that
is
that
is
the
issue.
J
Is
it's
the
it's
the
County's
policy
on
County
funding
that
changes
the
normal
structure
of
how
property
tax
their
property
tax,
exempt
eligibility
Works
throughout
the
state?
And
that's
what's
driving
our
kind
of
unusual
request?
J
Is
it
it
all
hinges
around
that
we
did
make
that
request
in
our
current
funding
application.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
really
going
to
be
reviewed.
J
I
didn't
hear
any
discussion
at
the
committee's
meeting
last
week,
but
that
is
a
very,
very
important
point
and
it
would
be
wonderful
if
that,
if
that
policy
could
be
removed
because
it
would
negate
the
need
for
the
for
the
lead
request,
but
right
now
it
remains
in
place
and
that's
the
reason
we're
requesting
it
is
is,
is
trying
to
make
it
all
pencil
out
so
that
we
can
afford
more
debt
on
our
on
our
development
in
in
order
to
afford
our
significant
increase
in
construction
costs.
J
J
Would
be
one
I'd
help
everybody
out
honestly
I
mean
it's
it's
something
that
these
days,
affordable,
housing
developers
have
to
partner
with
non-profits
in
order
to
get
the
numbers
to
work,
and
so
it
would
really
I
think
help
throughout
the
the
county
to
increase
the
production
of
affordable
housing.
So
I
do
hope
that
that
gets
some.
Some
further
discussion
and
consideration.
A
D
S
make
a
motion,
but
I
do
have
a
question
about
what
that
motion
should
look
like.
Should
it
be
the
recommended
motion,
that's
in
front
of
us
or
do
I
need
to
include
the
specifics
related
to
the
loan
amount
and
the
maturity.
D
So
a
move
to
recommend
that
City
count
recommend
that
city
council
approved
the
land
use
incentive,
Grant
application
for
Commonwealth
Development
Corporation
Fairhaven,
Summit,
AT,
3124,
Sweden,
Creek
Road.
D
A
C
A
H
Thank
you.
This
is
a
little
bit
longer
presentation,
so
bear
with
me.
We
are
presenting
these
applications
from
our
2324
funding
cycle
for
the
Housing
Trust
Fund.
Next.
H
So
we
have
five
eligible
applications:
totaling
5.2
million.
The
current
balance
of
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
is
7.65
million,
so
we
have
coordinated
this
round
of
funding
to
align
with
Buncombe
County's
funding
process
to
assist
in
decision
making
and
help
provide
some
more
predictability
to
the
development
community.
H
We
are
recommending
four
of
these
projects-
totaling
4.387
million,
which
would
result
in
the
construction
of
239
units.
This
funding
would
leverage
an
additional
60
million
in
development
spending.
53
million
of
that
was
non-government
spending.
H
H
The
first
three
Redwood
Commons
reimagining,
deep
review
in
Fairhaven
Summit
are
all
low-income
housing,
tax
credit
projects
and
all
three
are
nine
percent
tax
credit
projects
and
you
can
see
their
requests
there
and
how
and
then
the
second
two
projects
are
Cottages
projects,
Stewart
Street,
being
a
completely
home
ownership
project
and
then
Oak
Hill
being
a
hybrid
of
both
rental
and
homeownership
next
and
then
this
is
just
a
quick
map
of
their
locations.
H
So
with
the
exception
of
North
Asheville,
we've
got
kind
of
representation
throughout
our
city,
South
Asheville,
East,
Asheville
and
West
Asheville,
with
West
Asheville
having
three
of
the
five
next.
H
So
first
Redwood
Commons
this
project
has
is
a
conditional
zoning
project
that
city
council
approved
last
May.
It
is
all
rental
apartments
70
units
for
seniors.
They
are
requesting
1.8
million
in
Housing,
Trust,
Fund
financing
and
the
terms
that
we've
agreed
on
are
20-year
maturity
with
payments
deferred,
but
two
percent
interest
compounding
annually.
We
would
be
in
fourth
lean
position
with
2.674
million
due
at
maturity.
It
is
serving
30,
50
and
60
of
Ami.
H
H
And
here's
their
Capital
stack,
they
have
applied
to
Buncombe
County
for
3.3
million
and
they
have
a
RPP
loan.
You
know
a
mortgage
with
a
lender
and
then
that
and
then
the
tax
credits
being
the
largest
piece
of
that
Capital
stack
next.
H
So
some
great
things
about
this
project.
The
subsidies
are
on
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
per
unit,
which
is
a
good
number
for
us,
especially
given
the
market.
Currently
it
aligns
with
our
Consolidated
plan.
The
project
is
located
on
Brownfield,
which
is
contributing
to
some
of
their
costs
and
requires
site
remediation,
but
it
is
on
a
Transit
Corridor.
H
It's
close
to
Services,
it's
very
close
to
the
Aldi
grocery
store
right
there
and
won't
that
whole
Walmart
complex
there
off
of
Swannanoa
River
Road
there
there
may
we
may
do
some
further
work
around
our
lean
position:
kind
of
negotiating
with
the
tax
credit
folks.
H
The
request
of
Buncombe
County
is
above
the
10
percent
cap
of
the
in
their
costs
and
their
policy,
and
there
may
be
a
funding
shortfall
next
good.
So
maybe
I
should
pause
there.
I,
don't
chair,
Turner
I,
don't
know
if
you'd
like
to
wait
for
questions
at
the
end
or
if
you
want
to
do
it
after
each
project.
A
They're
kind
of
extensive
in
their
own
right
and
we
want
to
try
and
stop
and
degrief
each
one
councilman
about
this.
Do
you
have
any
questions
or
comments
for
this
one
right
or
for
the
previous
one?
That.
F
Was
just
we
should
probably
do
each
application
I
wanted
to
know
if
there
was
any
follow-up
about
whether
they
qualify
for
Brownfield
remediation
Kevin
shared
some
interesting
information
that
the
developer
may
or
may
not
have
known,
but
I
don't
know
if
there
is
any
follow-through
or
any
additional
information
he
wanted
to
share.
H
I
know
they've
applied
for
the.
If
you
could
go
back,
one
Katie
I
know
they've
applied
for
the
program
at
the
state
level.
We
wrote
a
letter
in
support
a
number
of
months
ago,
so
I
know
I,
don't
think
they've
gotten
an
answer
back
for
that,
but
I
know
they're
applying
for
it,
and
the
developer
is
here
if
they
want
to.
If
you
want
to
ask
them.
K
L
So
yeah
the
we've
requested
a
status
from
DEQ
and
they
actually
sent
back
an
email
this
morning
saying
that
they
they
push
it
up
to
another
person
in
the
department
to
respond
to
us.
But
you
know
we
did
apply
for
the
expedited
award
and
I
I.
Don't
know
what
Expediting
means
to
them,
but
all
the
paperwork's
been
filled
out.
Basically,
the
application
is
complete.
There's
no
reason
why
there.
A
H
This
is
reimagining
d
review,
82
Apartments
serving
West
Asheville
or
in
West
Asheville
I
should
say
it
is
an
infill
project.
This
is
a
aerial
view
of
the
existing
deverview
Apartments,
and
so
the
projects
being
built
in
a
way
that
residents
can
move
into
it
without
being
displaced
for
any
length
of
time
during
construction,
which
is
which
is
a
great
thing.
It
is
a
nine
percent
tax
credit
project.
They
have
requested
a
million
35
000
as
a
grant
from
the
Housing
Trust
Fund.
H
H
They
are
also
requesting
2.5
million
from
Buncombe
County
and
Dogwood
Health
Trust,
and
then
also
putting
in
2.5
million
of
their
own
funds
from
the
Housing
Authority
as
Equity
into
the
project,
and
they
are
also
deferring
a
developed
part
of
their
developer
fee.
Next.
H
The
subsidy
is
around
thirty
thousand,
that's
for
the
entire
2.5
million,
which
is
a
good
number
given
construction
costs
and
everything
again
minimal,
resident
relocation
disruption
for
folks.
It
aligns
with
our
Consolidated
plan.
H
H
It
would
encourage,
you
know,
proactive
asset
management
of
the
property
if
how,
when
housing,
tax
credits
expire,
the
city
is
there
at
the
table
to
help
with
any
kind
of
future
decisions
around
loan
refinancing
or
continuing
the
affordability
of
the
project
and
a
two
percent
interest
loan
will
also
allow
for
the
principal
to
grow.
You
know
in
our
Housing
Trust
Fund.
H
We
do
have
some
concerns
about
the
request
for
a
grant
it.
You
know
Grant
means
basically,
if
something
goes
wrong
with
the
project.
We've
put
our
money
in
and
we're
kind
of
done.
We
obviously
we
still
monitor
the
project
for
affordability
and
that's
not
a
concern
during
the
term
and
the
total
request.
This
is
not
a
big
concern.
The
total
request
of
2.5
million
just
exceeds
our
policy
limit
of
10
just
by
one
percent.
So
it's
11
percent
and
I
think
that
may
be.
Is
there?
Oh?
H
H
Another
option
would
be
along
the
same
amount
of
money,
20-year
maturity
with
a
zero
percent
and
zero
payments.
So
it's
a
very
soft
loan,
but
it's
it's
still
in
the
form
of
a
loan,
but
we're
not
really
asking
for
additional
money
and
then
option
three
is
granting
as
granting
the
one
million
thirty
five
thousand,
as
requested
the
similar
request.
A
little
bit
higher
amount
is
before
Buncombe
County
right
now,
under
their
policy,
the
committee
May
recommend
a
loan
up
to
1.564
million
or
they
may
recommend
they're
they're.
H
Also
looking
at
using
American
Rescue
plan,
arpa
funds
to
help
fund
the
project,
I'm,
not
sure
they
have
the
full
amount
in
their
arpa,
but
they
have
a
substantial
amount
of
our
funds
left
over
that
they
may
commit
to
this
project
and
Katie.
I.
Think
is
that
the
last
slide
for
this
one?
Yes,
so
if
you
can
go
back
and
we
will
stop
here
for
any
questions
or
any
discussion
so.
D
I
G
I
Yeah
tends
to
ward
off
people
who
maybe
are
sort
of
predatory
investors
who
might
be
looking
for
ways
to
acquire
property
in
Nashville,
and
you
know
we're
we're
actually
getting
requests,
not
not
predatory
requests
but
requests
every
day
for
some
of
our
existing
project-based
voucher
developments
from
people
who
want
to
buy
them
at
least
one
or
two
a
month
come
in
for
those.
I
So
the
that
that's
the
logic
behind
it.
In
addition,
you
know
we
are
requesting
Grant
funds
from
the
county
and
from
the
Dogwood
Health
Trust
and-
and
we
would
greatly
appreciate
the
city
moving
forward
on
a
in
an
affirmative
way
on
this
grant
request
to
help
support
those
grants
as
well
and
then,
finally,
you
know
we're
a
sister
agency,
not
just
any
developer.
I
So
but
that's
our
request,
certainly
any
yeah,
that's
our
request,
another
reason
for
it.
Thank
you.
A
D
Yeah
well
I'll
go
ahead
and
touch
on
with
what
I
think
David
was
saying
it
well,
at
least
this
is
the
way
I
look
at
the
Housing
Authority
I
see
the
Housing.
Authority
is
being
unique
in
that
really,
in
my
opinion,
they're
indispensable
partner
for
us,
as
it
relates
to
All
Things,
affordable
housing,
not
just
because
of
the
number
of
residents
they
have,
but
because
of
the
way
they
partner
as
it
relates
to
vouchers.
A
A
Per
unit
yeah,
so
do
we
look
at
that
rubric
across
all
the
projects?
A
A
A
I'm
inclined
to
support
staff's
recommendation
that
remain
alone.
I
know,
David.
You
and
I
have
been
back
and
forth
on
this
for
some
time.
I
am
a
bit
worried
about
this
being
different
than
how
we
treat
all
projects
and
then
I'm
also
a
little
concerned
that
if
we
do
this
this
way,
every
phase
that
comes
to
us
will
have
to
be
that
way
and
I'm
hearing
clearly
from
our
staff
that
it's
really
not
best
practice
for
us
to
ensure
long
term
I'm
going
to
be
supportive
staff.
A
A
I
had
asked
for
this
shot
to
come
up,
so
we
could
look
at
the
total
development
cost
per
unit
that
number
at
the
bottom
and
then
I
expressed
I
would
be
supporting
staff's
recommendation
to
do
it
as
a
loan.
Instead
of
a
grant
citing
concerns
about
future
phases
as
well
and
I
think
that
you
were
about
to
say
something
very
different
than
that.
So,
let's
cue
you
back
up
for
what
you
were
saying.
D
Okay,
thanks
I
appreciate
it
I'm
on
my
phone.
So
if
I
look
crazy,
what
so,
actually
I'm
inclined
to
support
the
Grant
and
the
reason
I'm
inclined
to
do
so
is
because
of
the
special
relationship
I
believe
we
have
with
the
Housing
Authority,
as
I
was
indicating
before
I
believe
they
are
uniquely
and
indispensable
partner
for
us,
not
only
because
of
the
number
of
residents
that
they
house
in
affordable
housing,
but
because
of
the
numerous
Partnerships
that
they
have
with
other
developer
developers,
specifically
I'm
talking
about
the
provision
of
vouchers.
D
So
what
I
mean
by
that
is,
it
would
be
very
difficult
for,
say,
Ramada
to
do
what
it
needs
to
do
without
a
partnership
with
the
Housing
Authority.
The
first
developer
that
we
heard
from
I
believe
the
same
holds
true
for
them.
So
I
see
the
Housing
Authority
as
being
part
of
a
Continuum
of
moving
people
into
better
standards
in
their
lifetime.
D
It's
not
lost
on
me
that
actually,
when
they
came
to
us
for
the
initial
grant,
that
was
from
bond
funds
and
at
that
time
they
did
indicate
that
they
may
have
to
come
back.
But
what
we
did
in
the
interim
was
to
move
those
bond
funds
into
the
Housing
Trust
Fund.
So
really
had
they
come
to
us
sooner
or
had
we
not
mood
they'd
be
before
us
requesting
a
grant.
A
Thank
you.
You
know,
I
did
I
have
one
other
comment
too.
I
think
there
was
a
mention
of
it
being
11
I,
wonder
I'm
recalling
from
the
1465
11.4
million
they
actually
requested
1.035
or
something
similar,
and
we
at
the
council
meeting
increased
it.
So
I
wonder
if
you
know
in
the
end
really
they
did
put
forth
a
10.
We,
however,
increased
it.
H
I
would
just
say:
I'm
sorry,
I
would
just
say
that
requested
1.2,
which
they
also
requested.
Buncombe
County
and
Buncombe
County
did
935
some
thousand
instead,
so
you
all
should
make
up
the
difference
so
Circle,
the
total
request
is
the
same
of
each
body.
So.
A
Right,
I
just
meant
that's
really,
what's
putting
us
past
the
10
a
little
bit
okay,
so
it
sounds
like
we
are
going
to
need
emotion
and
we
have
some
options.
Okay,
internet
did
you
want
to
make
a
motion.
D
E
Yeah
I
was
thinking
about
this
and
I.
Should
we
wait
till
the
very
end
because
forgive
us
we
are
right.
We've
included
all
of
this
as
a
package,
so
I
think.
A
More
to
go
okay,
so
we
have
settled
the
questions
on
the
review.
Sorry
for
my
premature
call
for
a
motion.
Let's
move
on
to
the
next
one.
H
So
this
is
the
project
we
just
discussed:
Fairhaven
Summit
77
units
for
families
on
sweet
and
Creek
Road.
Nine
percent
tax
credit
projects-
Commonwealth
Development
Corporation-
is
the
developer.
H
Those
terms
that
staff
has
worked
with
developer
on
is
a
20-year
maturity.
Payments
deferred,
two
percent
interest
compounding
annually
would
put
us
in
third
lean
position
with
742
000,
due
at
maturity.
H
As
we
discussed,
it's
serving
a
mix
of
income
mix
of
incomes
and
city
council
did
go
through
a
conditional
zoning
approval
for
this
back
in
June
of
22..
Next.
H
And
here's
their
Capital
stack
now
we
did
not
include
Luigi
in
here,
because
that
is
a
Kevin
can
say
it
better
than
I
can.
But
it's
it's
not
the
same.
So
we
all
know
it's
there
and
we
we
left.
We
made
a
note
here
about
what
the
total
subsidy
would
be
in
the
per
unit
cost,
but
for
accounting
reasons
it's
not
really
in
this
Capital
stack,
it's
more
of
a
operational
cost.
Taxes
are
an
operational
cost
of
a
apartment,
complex
next.
H
So
we
haven't
really
noted
any
concerns,
and
you
know
the
subsidy
for
this
portion
is
six
point.
You
know
sixty
five
hundred
dollars
a
unit
total
subsidy
just
under
20
000
and
it
aligns
with
our
goals.
A
Sasha
councilwoman
any
questions
we've
just
heard
from
this
developer
on
Luigi
Luigi.
H
Project
is
Stuart
Street
Cottages.
This
project
is
10,
affordable,
College
cottages
for
families
in
West,
Asheville,
the
developers
reasonable,
reasonable
Development
LLC.
The
request
is
for
one
million
52
000
in
Housing
Trust
Fund
financing.
H
This
would
be
a
three-year
term
for
the
construction
loan
portion
of
this
or
really
the
entire
funds
may
be
used
for
construction.
Two
percent
compounding
annually
second
lien
position,
and
then
a
portion
of
this
funding
would
be
go
to
down
payment
assistance.
H
It
has
not
gone
through
a
zoning
process,
yet
at
all
so
Barry
Bialik
is
here
with
reasonable
development
and
he
does
own
this
site
and
it
would
be
a
buy
right
development.
So
it's
a
you
know
a
staff
level
review
at
development
services
next.
H
And
here
is
the
capital
stack
so
because
it's
a
home
ownership
project,
the
numbers
are
very
different
than
a
rental
project,
and
many
of
the
numbers
in
our
policy
are
centered
around
rental
apartments,
so
but
total
cost
per
unit
or
total
development
cost
per
unit
is
around
242
000
yeah.
So
so
we
have
more
portion
of
the
total
cost,
but
we
will
be
being
paid
back
after
three
years
for
a
large
section
of
that
cost.
H
H
So
this
is,
you
know
in
some
ways
this
might
be
similar
to
a
habitat,
some
of
the
habitat
loans
we've
done,
because
it's
mixing
home
paying
for
homes
and
down
payment
assistance,
but
with
a
private
developer.
It's
a
you
know
chance
we're
creating
kind
of
a
new
model
for
Asheville
Asheville
based
model
for
future
home
ownership.
Development,
552
000
of
the
loan
would
be
paid
within
three
years,
and
this
is
an
experienced
local
developer.
Who's
built
more
than
100
homes
in
Asheville.
H
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
big
concerns.
We
will
need
to
work
out
on
the
down
payment
assistance
terms
if
this
is
approved,
and
we
will
go
through
that
process
before
actually
closing
on
the
loan
and
then
each
individual
house
will
require
a
separate,
closing
and
I
think
that's
where
we're
we'll
stop
there
for
this
project.
H
A
You
Sasha
I,
know
I'm
particularly
excited
about
this
one
and
the
idea
of
a
new
model
that
results
in
home
ownership
and
down
payment
assistance,
which
is
something
we
as
a
council
in
HDD,
have
struggled
to
kind
of
hammer
out
ever
since
the
bond
money
and
trying
to
set
aside
money
so
I'm
thrilled
to
see
this
other
councilman.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts
or
questions
and
I
do
think?
Wasn't
there
a
Barry
must
be
here?
Wasn't
there
a
thought
around
using
the
voucher
for
mortgage
option.
M
All
right,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
there
was
yes
I've
had
a
year
ago,
I
met
with
the
Housing
Authority
about
their
voucher
for
mortgage
payments,
and
we
will
continue
to
that
conversation.
If
this
moves
forward.
A
I
know
this
is
very
exciting,
so
if
you're
following
it
along
at
home
or
listening
in,
if
you
are
currently
receiving
voucher
assistance
for
housing,
it
actually
can
be
for
rent
or
a
mortgage
as
I
understand
it.
So
this
is
a
really
rare
opportunity
in
the
community
and
something
I
hope
that
doesn't
is
suddenly
become
successful
and
used.
A
lot
like
a
very
this
could
be
repeated.
I.
Think
it's
wonderful.
The
payoff
of
half
of
it
in
three
years
is
also
remarkable,
so
I'm
cheering
this
one
along
other
accountswoman.
Do
you
have
questions
or
thoughts?
A
Looks
like
Anson
has
having
some
technical
issues
and
tonight,
if
you
can
hear
us,
maybe
just
call
in
and
then
stay
off,
video
it'll.
You
just
treat
it
like
a
phone
call
and
it
may
be
more
consistent,
I'll
text
her
that
as
well
councilwoman
Mosley.
Do
you
have
councilwoman
Smith?
Do
you
have
any
thoughts.
A
H
Okay,
thank
you.
So
this
next
project
is
Oak
Hill
cottages.
This
is
located
on
currently
City
on
land
I
think
it's
3.72
Acres
just
off
of
Leicester
Highway.
Here
it.
The
proposal
is
to
have
48
42
total
units
20
would
be
for
low
income.
Folks,
eight
eight
would
be
for
moderate
and
by
moderate
I
mean
between
80
and
100
Ami
14
market
rate
for
families
in
West
Asheville.
H
So
this
is
a
hybrid
project
that
has
both
rental
units
and
Home
Ownership.
The
developer
is
also
reasonable
development,
which
we
just
heard
about
in
the
last
one.
The
request
is
for
868
000
and
Housing
Trust
Fund
financing
they're,
also
requesting
the
city
on
land
at
a
discounted
sales
price
of
fifty
thousand
dollars,
which
yeah
I'll
talk
about
that
later.
The
loan
terms
would
be
a
three-year
loan
term,
two
percent
compounding
annually.
We
would
be
in
second
lien
position.
H
A
portion
of
it
would
be
repaid
from
home
sale
proceeds
and
then
another
portion
would
be
used
as
down
payment
assistance,
and
then
a
third
portion
would
be
paid
back
through
rental
operations,
so
it's
serving
60,
80
and
100
of
Ami,
because
the
developer
does
not
have
site
control
and
Council
head
has
not
made
any
decisions
about
this
land
he's
not
able
to
preserve,
pursue
permits
at
this
time.
Next.
H
So
here's
the
capital
stack
and
basically
talking
with
the
developer
last
week,
he
would
be
using
equity
lines
of
credit
on
I
assume
other
businesses
and
properties
to
help
self-finance
this
project
so
with
the
land
request
subsidy
of
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
based
on
a
2017
appraisal.
So
it
may
really
be
worth
more
than
that
today
the
total
request
is
1.268
million.
H
That's
not
that
won't
be
in
the
motion
you
know,
but
just
so
you
understand
the
total
subsidy,
and
that
comes
out
to
approximately
forty
five
thousand
per
unit
and
the
total
cost
of
the
entire
project
is
around
9.2
million,
with
a
each
unit
costing
about
221
000.
Next.
H
So
again,
a
lot
of
the
same
benefits
of
the
last
project
staff
has
deep
concerns
about
this
project,
though
you
know,
the
city
is
owned
by
the
the
property
is
owned
by
the
city.
It
doesn't
adhere
to
our
policy
for
affordable
housing
on
City
owned
land
which
Council
adopted
in
2019
and
under
that
policy.
Generally
speaking,
the
city
issues
rfps
the
city
decides
when
they're
ready
to
make
land
available
for
affordable
housing
and
issues
and
RFP
Council
can
decide
to
go
outside
of
that
process,
of
course,
and
directly
negotiate
with
a
developer.
H
This
site
does
have
some
constraints
and
environmental
concerns,
and
it's
it's
not
a
simple,
straightforward
site:
that's
just
ready
to
go
for
development,
so
there
may
be
infrastructure
upgrades
that
are
needed
that
we're
not
really
sure
of
the
costs.
Yet
at
this
point
and
staff
is
also
very
concerned
that
we've
had
no
Community
discussion
of
this
land
that
the
surrounding
Community
hasn't
been
asked.
We
don't,
we
also
haven't
considered
any
other
uses
for
this
property,
whether
it
be
mobile
homes
or
other
things.
We
know
that
we
can't
do
easily.
H
We
cannot
easily
do
a
bigger
apartment
complex.
We
do
know
that,
but
we
haven't
looked
at
other
models
for
development
for
this
property
next,
so
in
our
staff
report,
and
here
we're
outlining
several
options
for
you
all,
we
are
recommending
that
you
consider
directing
staff
to
release
an
RFP
for
the
site
this
year.
You
know,
in
accordance
with
your
policy,
which
would
allow,
for
you
know,
including
a
process
for
Community
input
and
exploration
of
different
development
scenarios
for
Council
consideration.
H
Another
option
would
be
for
you
to
direct
staff
to
proceed
in
negotiations
with
the
developer,
to
more
fully
develop
the
plans
and
deal
points,
so
land
price
DPA
terms
to
really
in
a
way
colloquially
to
say
kind
of
bake,
this
a
little
bit
more.
It
doesn't
feel
fully
baked
at
this
point
and
then
return
to
hcd
and
council
at
a
later
date
and
then
at
your
future
vote.
H
Our
future
vote
would
consider
both
the
land,
sale
and
the
housing
trust
fund,
request
together
and
then
option
three
would
be
for
you
to
approve
the
current
request,
which
then
means
we're
going
to
have
to
do
all
these
things
anyway,
but
it
pushes
up
that
time
scale
and
it
doesn't
give
really
staff
or
counsel
full
information
for
this
request.
A
Okay,
so
this
was
a
little
more
interesting
right.
I
will
say
on
the
surface:
I
love
the
idea.
I
also
have
hesitations
about
the
process.
I
will
say
that
this
Oak
Hill
property,
if
folks,
have
not
been
following
along
for
a
few
years,
has
been
less
than
great
to
have
right.
We've
got
it
because
it
had
bad
dirt.
Two
projects
have
it
tried
to
assemble
a
multi-family
or
multi-unit
complex
there,
and
we
had.
It
has
been
found
time
and
again
that
it
cannot
handle
that.
A
So
now
we
have
a
smaller
footprint
option
and
I
think
it's
a
good
one.
I'm
inclined
to
go
with
option
two,
but
I
I
sense
that
the
staff
would
like
a
broader
process
around
all
city-owned
land
like
we
say
that,
but
the
very
beginning
of
this
meeting.
D
Well,
I
distinguished
this
from
the
one
we
did
earlier,
because
that
was
a
non-profit
and
then
I
kind
of
saw
Ramada
as
precedent
even
for
what
happened
earlier
today,
with
that
with
the
non-profit.
With
my
daddy
told
me
that
I'm
trying
to
decide
for
this
one
between
option
one
and
option
two,
but
it's
on
a
guttural
level,
I'm,
actually
leaning
towards
option
one.
At
this
point
just.
A
For
process
sake
and
Barry
you're
here
right,
yes,
I
am
so
okay
by
all
accounts,
you're,
a
pretty
busy
developer
and
I'm.
Assuming
that
you
could
hold
tight
for
a
minute
if
we
went
through
a
process
and
you
potentially
would
still
be
interested
and
apply
to
that
process.
M
Yeah,
you
know
just
if
I
could
I
guess
shared
just
some
of
my
thoughts
on
this
that
you
know
this
is
a
you
know.
You
know
I
think,
to
your
point:
yeah
we
have
a
for
we.
We
have
a
process
that
was
created
for
just
how
to
dispose
of
affordable
housing
land
and
it
makes
it
more
difficult.
M
So
you
can't
just
follow
State
statutes,
so
I
tried
to
design
this
proposal
to
follow
all
the
state
statutes
that
would
be
required
for
land
transfer
and,
at
one
point,
I'll
point
out
that
the
policy
we
created
in
2019
further,
you
know,
limiting
the
disposition,
has
not
created
any
properties
that
have
transferred
yet
so
I
believe
there
it's
been
there's
two
rfps
319
builtmore
is
in
process
the
other
time
we
did
an
RFP
was
for
the
scattered
land
sites
and
none
of
those
had
transferred
title
yet
so
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
it's
like
we've
created
a
it's
one
of
these
accredited
process,
but
it
might
not
be
working
and
I,
don't
know
the
last
time
it's
been
discussed,
adjusting
it,
and
this
was
this
land
was
not
one
of
the
ones
that
was
considered
the
high
impact
sites.
M
You
know
it
wasn't
one
of
the
big
city
ones.
This
was
one
that
was
acquired
specifically
really
specifically
for
a
individual
project
that
they
had
to
back
out
of
right
away.
This
was
the
I
think
Homeward
Bound,
so
I
just
want
to
share.
You
know
that
it's
a
Well
I
know
it
Strays
from
the
current
policy.
This
isn't
one
of
the
high
impact
sites.
It
does
follow
kind
of
state
standards
and
I
think
you
know
you
know
it's
a
policy
that
hasn't
created
anything
yet
I
have
taken.
M
It
actually
have
taken
it
through
the
early
assist
process
with
the
Kent
with
the
city.
So
I
am
familiar
with.
You
know
the
details,
so
we
needed
to
make
this
happen,
I'm
familiar
actually
with
the
sewer
issue.
You
know
the
sewer
during
the
initial
proposal
on
this
development
with
Homeward
Bound.
They
had
applied
for
funding
with
MSD
to
co-share
and
some
of
the
before
and
some
of
the
sewer
line,
support
and
that's
still
in
play.
M
M
You
know
I
tried
to
design
it
to
check
many
boxes,
it's
affordable
for
sale,
it's
affordable
rental,
it's
offering
down
payment
assistance,
I'm,
reserving
houses
for
police
officers,
I
met
with
Chief
Zach
on
this
about
the
concept
of
using
down
payment
assistance
as
a
tool
for
recruiting.
He
was
very
in
favor
of
that.
M
Putting
property
back
on
the
tax
rolls
in
a
significant
amount
is
creating
subsidized
homes
at
affordable
housing
and
Workforce
housing.
I
use,
Innovative
construction
techniques,
I
I'm,
building
out
a
prefab
Factory
in
town.
This
would
be
using
those
components
from
that
I'm,
a
local
developer,
so
I
tighten
this
I
tighten
the
chain
of
costs
a
lot
meaning.
If
you
look
at
my
total
development,
my
total
development
cost
per
unit
of
all
the
ones
you're
looking
at
today
is
by
far
the
lowest.
M
So
everything
else
about
this
would
be
eligible
as
a
Housing,
Trust
Fund,
it's
just
a
bit
about
the
command
for
sure.
And
it's
you
know
it's
it.
You
know
I
just
look
at
this:
it's
creating
a
true
mixed
income
and
Rental
and
sale
Community,
which
we
don't
have,
and
this
is
kind
of
it's
a
unique
site
for
it.
So
that's
that's
what
I'm
saying
I
know
I
know
it
fall.
You
know
falls
out
of
the
side
of
normal
process,
but
I
think
this
is
a
process
that
maybe
isn't
working.
A
Well
and
I
do
feel
like
when
it
comes
to
affordability
goals.
We
do
step
outside
process,
sometimes
much
like
the
previous
discussion
on
grants
and
loans,
and
so
on,
yeah,
and
if
I
understand
right
the
correctly
the
state
statute
just
says
we
can
convey
land
if
certain
affordability
requirements
are
met
which
this
would
need.
So
it's
certainly
not
not
allowed
I
do
want
to
respect
staff's
position
on
needing
some
more
information
and
terms
and
such
councilwoman
Smith.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts
on
this
I'm.
F
Just
wondering
if
we
could
kind
of
bland
one
and
two
to
a
certain
extent,
we
do
some
type
of
community
input
process
and
Float
the
idea.
Well,
the
history
of
the
property
with
the
the
project
that's
proposed,
and
then
once
we
get
community
input
and
maybe
some
more
Insight
from
the
rest
of
Council
in
that
process.
If
we
can
then
lean
into
negotiating
further
with
the
developer,
that's.
A
A
good
thought
I
had
one
similar,
and
it
reminds
me
too
that
hcd
and
ahac
are
the
kind
of
pilot
for
our
boards
and
commissions.
You
know
revisiting,
and
we
set
out
with
a
work
plan
and
I
bet.
Staff
were
thinking,
I,
wonder
where
that
work
plan
is,
and
this
wasn't
on
it
right
so
I'm
being
sensitive
to
that
as
well.
A
I
agree
that
some
kind
of
blend
of
the
two
like,
if,
if
this
developer,
could
keep
swimming
towards
that
direction,
while
staff
look
into
a
process
that
would
be
more
open,
I
mean
everything
that
developer
just
said
about
the
criteria,
certainly
sells
it
to
me
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
we
would
see
a
better
qualifying
rubric,
I,
don't
know,
and.
F
Or
maybe
we
should
just
start
with
going
back
to
council
and
clearing
up
our
disposition
policy
along
with
Community
input,
and
then
we
can
see
if
this,
this
development
or
this
proposal
will
meet
our
new
requirements
right.
A
And
Rachel
just
one
more
thought
and
then
I'll
cue
to
you
I.
Guess
too,
you
know
we're
looking
at
this
as
a
new
process
of
doing
in
Housing,
Trust
Fund
application.
You
know
process
right
now,
instead
of
seeing
them
all
throughout
the
year.
So
if
we
don't
do
this
as
a
part
of
a
process
today,
I'll
be
curious
to
know
what
staff
think
about
you
know
potentially
entertaining
another
round
since
we'll
still
have
funding
available
as
well
in
the
fund
right
go
ahead.
B
Sure,
and
just
want
to
kind
of
reiterate
what
council
member
Smith
was
saying.
We
are
in
and
I
guess
to
allude
back
to
your
comments,
councilmember
Turner
as
well.
We
are
looking
at
prioritizing
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year
revisions
to
how
we
assess
and
ultimately
make
decisions
around
city-owned
land.
That's
going
to
be
a
top
priority
for
the
community
and
economic
development
department
and
something
that
we
want
to
have
very
robust
conversations
with
this
committee,
as
well
as
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
on,
and
so.
B
Some
of
the
points
that
Mr
Bialik
raised
are
definitely
needs
that
we
need
to
address
in
terms
of
enhancing
our
processes
and
our
policies,
and
so
that
is
why
staff
is
recommending
option
one
just
so
that
we
can
have
some
time
to
look
more
holistically
at
the
macro
level
at
those
needs
before
making
recommendations
and
coming
back
with
specific,
specific
Parcels
of
land.
For
this
committee
to
make
decisions
on.
B
Need
to
defer
to
Nikki
on
that
and
I
guess.
One
other
comment:
the
disposition
of
City
owned
land
as
we're
looking
at
that
it's
not
just
going
to
be
those
high
impact
sites
that
were
previously
identified,
but
looking
comprehensively
at
our
entire
inventory
of
City
on
land
but
I'll.
Let
Nikki
answer
council
member
Smith's
question.
E
Well,
what
comes
to
mind
in
response
to
that
question?
Is
you
know
all
the
City
properties
have
just
interesting
issues
with
each
property
to
take
into
consideration.
So,
for
example,
the
Ashland
Avenue
parcel
that
we
looked
at
years
ago
has
a
sewer
line
that
runs
along
the
back
side
of
the
property
that
inhibits
the
the
buildability
of
that
site.
So
that's
an
example
of
sometimes
what's
beneath
the
the
visible
lay
of
the
land
I,
guess
that
really
does
present
some
challenges
when
looking
for
redevelopment
other
properties
that
I
know
are
going
to
be
forthcoming.
E
Is
our
d
review
65
Ford
Street
I
mean
we
really
do
need
to
invest
time
in
really
advancing
the
work
on
that
site
that
was
purchased
a
couple
of
years
ago
now,
and
so
those
we're
trying
to
work
now
on
looking
at
what
that
program
would
would
be
and
how
to
advance
those
goals
and
and
and
and
programming
that
into
our
work.
E
M
Okay,
if
I
just
say
one
thing
about
so
yeah,
if
I
mean,
if,
if
I
had
to
ask,
would
if
I
had
to
ask
like
and
there's
timing,
that's
specific
for
this
Project's
unique
for
me,
because
I've
got
a
lot
of
other
projects
in
that
area,
so
it
makes
it
easier
for
me
to
do
it
at
certain
costs.
If
I
had
to
ask
I
would
ask
for
option
number
two
with
allowing
for
public
input
and
public
input
is
part
of
any
kind
of
development
process,
but
I
would
think
maybe
a
super
public
input
project.
M
You
know
on
this
to
make
sure,
but
if
I
had
to
ask
you
know
request
for
something
it
would
be.
You
know
for
option
number
two
with
the
increased
public
input
on
it.
Thank.
A
You,
okay
councilwoman,
here's.
What
I
think
we
have.
We
have
three
motions
I
think
on
the
table
that
we
have
to
address
one
being.
What
I
believe
is
acceptable,
as
proposed
redwoods,
common
Fair,
Haven,
Summit
and
Stewart
Street.
We
didn't
have
any
questions
or
concerns
over
those
three
that
I
heard
that
would
change
those
suggest.
Those
recommendations
from
staff
right.
A
See,
oh,
you
have
a
summary
thank
you
yeah.
We
could
do
a
motion
for
those
three
Stuart
Street
Redwood
Commons
and
Fairhaven
Summit.
As
proposed.
We
could
have
a
second
motion
around
d
review,
because
I
think
we're
going
to
have
a
separate
vote
there
on
whether
or
not
to
score
is
a
loan
versus
a
grant
and
then
finally,
a
motion
on
what
to
do
with
Oak
Hill.
Does
that
work
for
everyone
that
process?
A
Thank
you,
I'll.
Take
a
roll
call
vote
councilwoman,
mostly
on
that's
woman,
Smith
I,
myself,
I.
Okay,
thank
you.
Item
number
two
internet
I'm
going
to
queue
you
up
because
I
think
you
have
a
motion
related
to
d
review
and
I
think
it
could
be
something
as
simple
as
deep
review
as
proposed
utilizing
grant
or
loan.
Whichever
word
you
choose.
D
A
Aye
councilman,
Smith,
aye
and
I
will
be
a
no
on
this
one
for
the
grant
versus
loan
purposes.
Thank
you
all
right
and
then
motion
number
three
is
resolving
around
this
last
discussion.
Around
Oak
Hill,
the
only
semblance
of
what
I
thought
we
Converge
on
was
an
idea
between
a
one
and
a
two
to
allow
staff
to
can
we
get
those
options
back
up
on
the
screen?
Please.
A
F
I
make
a
motion
to
direct
staff
to
proceed
in
negotiations
with
the
developer
to
fully
develop
the
plans
and
Community
engagement,
deal
points
as
well
as
land
prize
DPA
terms,
Etc
and
return
to
hcd
and
council
at
a
later
date.
The
future
vote
will
consider
both
the
sale
disposition
policy
and
Housing
Trust
Fund
requests
together.
H
A
Do
you
have
a
friendly
second
to
that
Amendment
councilman
Mosley,
okay,
second
of
a
recommendation
to
proceed
in
those
basically
option:
two
but
including
Community
engagement,
and
that
means
that
a
future
vote
would
come
back
to
us
via
the
land,
sale
and
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
together.
And
that
would
be
going
to
council
as
a
recommendation
so
that
we
can
authorize
staff
to
start
on
that.
A
Okay,
so
I
got
it
first
in
a
second
and
I'll.
Do
a
roll
call
vote,
councilman,
Mosley,
aye,
councilman,
Smith,
aye,
councilman,
Turner
aye,
perhaps
we'll
move
on
to
council?
Thank
you.
Are
these
recommendations
coming
to
council
soon
remind
me
next
Tuesday,
next
Tuesday
quickly,
okay,
great
so
I.
Imagine
that
we'll
see
a
little
bit
of
this.
Maybe
an
addition
to
our
check-in
agenda
or
agenda
briefing
too
has
her
hand
up
just
so.
You
know
Rachel
go
ahead.
Oh.
B
A
Perfect
and
hopefully
that
doesn't
isn't
too
late
a
last
minute
ad
okay,
so
then
we
are,
through
with
item
number
five
I
think
it
was
Housing
Trust,
Fund
recommendations,
staff,
you're
clear
on
what
we
did
any
questions
for
us
or
anything.
It
seems
like
it's
going
to
kind
of
hurry
apologize
for
that,
but
at
least
we
didn't
include
the
land
disposition
policy
by
Tuesday.
A
Thank
you,
I'm
excited
about
the
different
model
and
getting
Oak
Hill
doing
something
so
I'm
just
excited
for
something
to
move
forward
there,
especially
something
that
has
so
many
returns.
Okay.
So
that
was
the
last
item
on
our
agenda,
except
for
public
comment.
Katie,
do
we
have
anyone
on
the
line
checking
right
now.
B
A
We
do
not
okay,
then,
pending
any
other
action
or
comments.
We
may
adjourn
11
20
I
thought
it
was
going
to
be
a
long
one.
We
did
pretty
good.
Thank
you,
everyone
for
your
time
and
energy
on
this,
especially
staff,
because
the
first
time
we've
done
this
Housing
Trust
Fund
group
application
thing
and
timed
it
with
the
county
head
nods.
Do
we
think
it
went
well?
We
like
this
yeah
I,
think
so
too.
Okay,
so
more
about
that
later,
thank
you.
Everyone
have
a
great
rest
of
your
day.
We
are.