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Good
morning.
Everyone
I
am
chair.
Sage
Turner
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
October
18th
Housing
and
Community
Development
committee
meeting.
All
council
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
today
for
those
of
you
out
there
welcome.
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you
for
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us
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the
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go
I'm
going
to
do
a
roll
call.
I
know
the
vice
mayor
will
be
absent
today,
so
I'm
going
through
the
rest,
councilwoman
Antonette.
Mostly,
if
you
could
please
good
morning
good
morning,
city
manager,
Deborah
Campbell,
do
we
have
Deborah
today,
I,
don't
see
Deborah,
okay
assistant
city
manager,
Rachel
Wood,.
A
Morning,
affordable
housing
officer,
Sasha,
bertinski
good
morning,
is
Kevin
with
us
today.
I
don't
see
him
got
it
all
right.
Okay,
we
are
going
to
get
started
on
our
agenda.
First
up.
We
have
item
number
one,
which
is
a
review
and
approval
of
the
minutes
for
September.
Any
questions,
comments
or
changes
may
I
get
a
motion.
C
I
moved
at
the
minutes
be
approved
as
presented.
A
Second
and
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote,
because
we
are
virtual
councilwoman,
Mosley
I
and
myself
Sage
Turner
I,
the
meds
are
approved
quickly.
Moving
on
to
item
number
two
continued
conversation:
what
we've
discussed
at
our
last
meeting
the
allocation
of
remaining
affordable
housing
bond
funds,
the
draft
plan
to
how
how
to
allocate
allocate
them
excuse
me,
and
this
pretends
he
will
walk
us
through
this
welcome
Sasha.
D
Thank
you,
chair
Turner.
Yes,
so
we
were
here
last
month
with
you
all
and
went
through
much
of
this
information,
so
you
will
be
very
familiar
with
it
and
we've
since
been
to
Aha
course
and
feedback,
and
coming
back
to
you
for
like
an
emotion
before
we
go
to
City
Council
next,
so
basically
in
2016,
voters
approved
a
25
million
dollar,
affordable
housing
Bond.
D
We
have
spent
approximately
18.5
million
of
that
and
from
that
we
have
about
403
units
constructed
close
to
another
200
in
the
pipeline
and
we've
purchased
32
Acres
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
has
been
a
great
tool
for
a
portion
of
that
money
and
then
so
now
we're
seeking
feedback
on
the
proposed
uses
of
the
remaining
bond
funds,
which
is
approximately
6.5
million
next.
D
So
just
some
of
the
lessons
learned
over
the
past
five
years,
investing
in
capacity
building
with
new
nonprofits
takes
time
to
pay
off.
We've
invested
in
both
the
Asheville
Buncombe
CLT
and
Haywood
Street
Community
Development
organization
policies
need
to
be
in
place
to
guide
decision
making
prior
to
this
program
creation
or
implementation,
and
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
has
seen
the
most
straightforward
success
and
it's
a
flexible
source
of
funding
that
can
be
used
for
all
kinds
of
different
housing
uses
and
populations.
Next.
D
So
just
for
example,
we
did
spend
five
million
of
that
18.5
million
in
the
Housing
Trust
Fund,
and
this
is
how
the
breakdown
occurred.
So
the
majority
of
it
was
rental
units
but
serving
different
populations,
amaranth
Apartments,
being
a
tax
credit
project,
360
Hilliard
being
on
city-owned
property,
with
a
higher
level
of
affordability
for
50
years,
Swannanoa.
Bend
being
a
you
know:
private
development,
not
of
tax
credit
projects
down
near
the
Swannanoa,
River,
habitat
home
ownership
and
then
Homeward
Bound
units,
so
very
different
types
of
products
that
we
got
next
hey
Sasha.
A
Sure
real
quick
on
that
he
I
guess,
should
there
be
some
land
work
or
site
work
done
for
Matthew's
foresight
on
this
list,
400.
A
D
Next
So
currently-
and
this
is
a
maybe
I-
should
update
I'll
update
this
for
Council,
but
it's
helpful
to
remind
her
of
our
recent
past
here.
So
at
the
beginning
of
August,
we
had
about
three
three
million,
and
this
is
non-bond
funds.
In
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
about
three
million
dollars,
restaurant
Court
fund
was
funded,
Laurel
Wood
was
funded
after
the
restaurant.
Court
property
is
closed.
D
We
will
see
an
official
rescinding
of
the
restaurant
Court
loan
that'll
be
coming
to
you
all
in
November
and
then
so
that
leaves
us
with
the
balance
of
non-bond
bond
funds
and
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
about
1.65
million
next.
D
So
this
is
just
a
little
bit
of
detail
about
that
housing
Bond
and
how
we
get
to
the
6.5
million
of
what's
remaining
different
uses
here.
Obviously,
land
banking,
CLT
city-owned
land,
which
includes
Matthews,
Ford
expenses,
purchasing
Matthews
Ford
for
five
plus
million
and
deaverview
the
project
that
the
Housing
Authority
is
doing,
which
was
recently
awarded
a
nine
percent
tax
credits.
I
think
we
all
know
that,
but
yay.
A
Just
one
question
so
I
keep
seeing
the
kind
of
The
Disappearance
of
the
down
payment,
funding
and
I
just
want
to.
Where
does
it
end
up
it's
in
this
six
and
a
half
million
we're
talking
about
today?
Yes,
okay,
and
we
don't
need
to
claw
that
back
by
policy
procedure
or
Vote
or
anything,
it's
just
a
just
kind
of
I.
A
C
We
could
Circle
back
if
we
decide
once
we
get
it
a
way
to
properly
do
the
program.
We
could
kind
of
claw
back
on
the
back
end.
Well,.
A
B
A
quick
reminder
that
we
are
going
to
be
reviewing
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
policy.
That's
going
to
become
you
come
forward
in
November,
so
if
there
are
any
specific
Ally
us
to
bake
into
that
policy
review,
we
can
certainly
do
that
at
that
time.
So
that's
just
next
month
that
we'll
be
coming
back
with
with
some
initial
policy
considerations.
D
Next
Katie,
so
so
our
recommendation
for
these
remaining
funds
is
to
reserve
about
a
half
a
million
dollars
for
planning
on
City
on
land,
which
would
include
our
40
acres
out
in
d
review,
Cedar
Hill
area,
but
also
we
have
other
small
Parcels
of
land
that
can,
you
know,
use
some
additional
planning
and
then
to
allocate
6
million
to
the
Housing
Trust
Fund.
So
just
like
Rachel
just
said
you
know
we
will
be
recommending
policy
refinements
to
the
2000
trust
fund.
This
fall
winter.
That
would
be
applied
to
this
funding.
D
We
heard
you
know
in
last
month,
as
you
remember,
there
was
some
discussion
about
what
funds
for
land
acquisition
or
additional
guidelines
for
land
acquisition,
and
especially
maybe
land
acquisition
in
redlined
it
previously
redlined
areas,
there's
also
an
idea
around
pre-development
funds
or
site
Readiness
program
for
I
would
say,
like
new,
newer
developers
that
don't
necessarily
have
that
capacity
already
built
into
their
organization
where
they
have
money
for
that
for
new
projects,
and
so
we're
trying
to
also,
lastly,
align
our
funding
cycle
with
Buncombe
County
now
I
will
say:
I,
don't
think
we
are
trying
to
spend
all
six
million
in
this
first
funding
cycle.
D
That's
not
the
goal,
so
I
think
councilwoman,
Mosley's,
point
I,
think
we're
not
trying
to
spend
it
all
so
like
a
site.
Readiness
program
actually
would
need
some
additional
work
on
guidelines.
And
how
do
you
set
that
up?
D
So
that
might
not
be
a
part
of
that
first
call,
but
so
we
wouldn't
want
to
make
sure
there's
funds
available
for
that
and-
and
it
also
maybe
these
other
ideas
now
I
will
say
that
down
payment
assistance
is
an
eligible
use
in
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
and
there
there
is
a
guideline
in
there
that
I
think
was
added
in
2018
that
loans
were
not
forgivable,
which
was
part
of
the
seemed
to
be
the
main
rub
around
creating
that
program.
So.
D
Next
Katie
I,
don't
know
what
else
I
have
here.
Yes,
so
ahac
reviewed
the
proposal.
I
know
councilwoman
Mosley
was
there
for
that
discussion
and
they.
You
know
this
was
actually
straight
out
of
their
motion
that
they
kind
of
they
thought
it
was
generally
a
good
idea.
They
were
good
with
the
motion
with
the
staff
written
motion
around
the
6
million
and
the
500
000
and
I
think
they
were
kind
of
echoing
some
of
the
hcd
ideas
around
down
payment
assistance,
Redevelopment
of
sites
with
our
urban
renewal
and
redlining
areas.
A
That's
great
Sasha
you're
the
staff
assigned
to
the
a
hack
right.
Yes
did
they
have
a
good
discussion
about
this
I
wasn't
able
to
attend
a
meeting.
D
They
had
a
pretty
robust
conversation,
I
I
think
we
dug
down
a
little
bit
into
like
why
we're
not
we
didn't
spend.
You
know
some
of
this
money.
A
chunk
of
this
money
is
really
from
the
high
impact
sites.
Column.
If
you
remember
for
the
bond-
and
you
know
reallocating
services
off
Charlotte
Street,
which
you
know
six
years
ago,
we
thought
might
be
something
that
was
really
doable
is
much
more
costly
than
we
expected,
and
so
that's
partly
where
a
chunk
of
this
money
is
coming
from.
D
So
they
were
interested
in
that
they
were
interested
in
City
only
on
being
used
for
for
a
number
of
different
things.
You
know
reparations
or
other
things
like
that
and
their
concern,
or
one
member
anyways
concerned
about
I
shouldn't,
say
one
member
I'm
sure
they
all
are
concerned.
One
person
spoke
about
homelessness
and
kind
of
that
trying
to
get
folks
in
shelter
and
asking
the
question
about
city-owned
land
about
that
I
know.
We
do
have
a
number
of
Shelter
beds
in
the
works
right
now.
Nothing
that
will
be
enough
to
fix
everything,
but.
A
Thanks
yeah,
okay,
great
I,
appreciate
this
input
from
ahack.
Actually,
that's
why
I
asked
I
know
they've
been
we've
been
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
navigate
from
these
boards
and
committees
to
the
council
committees
and
how
to
get
feedback
directly.
So
thank
you
for
getting
them
on
board
for
the
last
meeting
for
us
to
send
them.
You
know
questions
and
getting
them.
I
think
we'd
really
appreciated
it.
Good
I
hope
so,
because
I
think-
and
it's
very
helpful
to
hear,
especially
that
they
are
talking
about.
They
mentioned
down
payment
assistance
as
well.
C
I
couldn't
help
but
notice
that
ahex
recommendation
about
urban
renewal
was
not
included
in
the
suggested
motion.
Was
there
a
reason
for
that?
Well,.
D
It's
kind
of
it's
kind
of
like
the
next
step
of.
In
my
mind,
it's
like
the
first
step
here
is
to
like
allocate
the
6
million
and
the
500
000..
It's
not
intended
to
ignore
it
in
any
way.
It's
just
that.
That's
like
that's
like
in
my
mind,
it's
feedback
for
the
next
step
of
the
policy,
and
how
are
we
going
to
be
allocating
money
if
that
makes
sense.
C
D
Katie
next
I
think
it's
just
okay,
so
just
this
is
straight
out
of
the
staff
report.
Why
we're
doing
this?
Is
it
allows
us
to
fully
utilize
our
bond
and
lets
us
plan
for
issuing
the
bonds
next
spring,
and
it
helps
us
lay
like
we
were
just
talking
about
actually
laying
the
foundation
for
future
Housing
Trust
Fund
decision
making
and
planning
over
the
next
one
to
two
years
and
we're
going
to
be
aligning
with
Buncombe
County,
and
this
is
yeah.
D
So
this
is
the
process
that
we're
currently
on.
So
we
will
be
at
Council
next
week
with
this,
if
you
all
think
that's
appropriate
and
then
coming
back
to
Housing
Trust
Fund
policy
considerations
next
month,
November
and
then
Council
in
December,
so
and
I
think
I
just
have
a
key
takeaway
slide,
but
otherwise
that's
my
presentation.
A
A
Now,
thank
you
for
all
your
hard
work
on
this
I
know.
It's
a
lot
to
ask.
You
know
five
months
for
the
end
of
a
calendar
year
to
say:
hey:
let's
change,
all
these
policies,
but
you're
moving
right
along,
so
thank
you
and
yeah
I
think
we
do
need
action
on
this
councilman
Mosley.
Would
you
like
to
make
a
motion
I.
A
I
will
second
that
without
further
discussion,
I'll
move
this
to
a
roll
call
vote,
councilwoman,
Mosley,
aye
and
myself
Sage
Turner
I
all
right.
We
look
forward
to
hearing
that
at
Council
next
week.
Thank
you
for
those
of
you.
Listening
in,
we
are
moving
on
to
item
number
three,
which
is
a
land
use
incentive,
Grant
application
for
110,
River,
Hills,
Road
and
I.
Believe
Sasha
will
be
presenting
this
as
well.
Thank.
D
D
So
just
a
few
key
takeaways
here
this
is
an
affordable
housing
incentive,
Grant
based
on
the
development's
increased
tax
value.
This
project
is
approximately
153
units
at
100,
110,
River,
Hills
Road,
and
that's
that's
a
parcel.
If
you
are
going,
if
you
are
leaving
South,
Tunnel
Road
and
turning
up
River
Hills
can
go
to
you
know
any
of
the
big
stores
Target
the
movie
theater,
it's
on.
It's
a
lot
on
your
left.
D
D
So
the
affordable
units
will
be
a
mix
of
a
one
and
two
bedroom
apartments
with
17
one
bedrooms
and
14
two
bedroom
units
housing
is
100
of
all
the
rentable
square.
Footage.
That's
not
counting
the
parking.
There's
a
parking
structure
in
this
I
believe
or
you
know.
Let's
see
again,
I've
already
talked
about
the
Amis.
The
project
itself
is
on
about
10.9
acres
and
the
estimated
tax
value
after
construction
is
36
Norman
next.
D
A
That's
and
that's
is
that
Larchmont
to
the
south
on
that
map,
future
Drive,
not
largemon,
I
can't
remember
the
name
apartment
complex,
but
this
is
I,
always
forget
the
name
of
it
too.
It
must
be,
though,
okay,
so
right
here
on
the
left.
The
upper
left
additional,
affordable
housing
is
my
point.
Yeah.
D
Yeah-
and
this
is
the
site
plan
and
you
can
see
down
towards
Tunnel
Road
or
the
preserved
the
wetlands
next.
D
So
the
summary
here
in
terms
of
the
point
summary
is
they
get
20
points
for
20
of
the
units.
10
of
the
total
units
will
be
accepting
rental
assistance,
which
is
additional
Five
Points.
They
are
proposing
housing
for
one
person
on
the
homeless
by
name
list
and
then
their
location.
The
way
it's
outlined
in
the
policy,
if
you're
a
mile
from
a
job
or
urban
center
Five
Points.
So
in
this
case
there's
several
things
that
are
qualified
as
a
urban
center.
D
But
that
includes
the
Walmart
Super
Center,
which
is
very
close,
they're
a
half
mile
between
less
than
a
half
mile,
from
two
Transit
lines
that
are
on
on
Tunnel
Road.
D
They
are
proposing
Energy
Efficiency
using
energy
star
and
then
solar
panels
for
another
20
points,
Universal,
Design
and
20
of
the
units
and
then
building
in
a
non-qualified
census
tract
for
another
10
points.
So
it's
a
total
of
85
points,
oh
gosh
and
that's
embarrassing.
17
years
of
Grant
granted
back
payments
next.
D
And
just
a
reminder
that
we
always
go
over
that
vouchers.
50
of
the
affordable
units
must
accept
housing,
Choice
vouchers,
and
these
help,
folks
that
are
at
or
below,
50
Ami,
and
these
folks
are
coming
from
the
housing
authority
and
they
pay
30
of
their
income.
D
The
last
report
I
saw
this
number
is
right
now,
slowly
going
down,
which
is
great,
there's
88,
folks,
looking
for
vouchers
right
now,
and
so
when
somebody
finds
a
unit
and
they
leave
public
housing
they're
making
space
for
somebody
else
to
come
into
public
housing
which
has
waiting
lists.
So
a
voucher
unit
actually
helps
two
households.
D
D
So
this
is
the
the
long
slide.
So
basically,
the
current
the
current
tax
value
of
the
parcel
is
a
little
over
half
a
million
dollars
so
they're
paying
about
twenty
two
hundred
dollars
a
year
in
taxes,
so
that
continues
to
be
paid
throughout
the
period
of
using
an
estimated
36.7
million
post-completion
value.
The
annual
city
property
tax
will
be
approximately
148
153..
Of
course,
this
is
ultimately
decided
by
the
Buncombe
County
tax
department
when
they
do
that
final
appraisal.
D
So
the
difference
is
145
000
882,
which
would
be
granted
for
17
years,
and
so
when
we
total
that
up,
it's
2.48
million
total
Grant
and
then
that
equals
the
subsidy
of
80
000
per
unit
subsidy.
So
we've
been
in
discussions
with
the
developer
about
this
and
and
Jamie
she
says
here
she
can
speak
to
this.
They
they
have
an
initial
kind
of
estimate
of
a
higher
value
of
this
project.
D
But
you
know
our
policy
right
now:
kind
of
caps,
the
subsidy
at
80
000
per
unit,
and
the
city
council
has
approved
one
other
one
at
that
level
before.
But
we
usually
don't
get
this
high.
But
given
the
high
cost
of
development
on
this
parcel,
it's
understandable
and
then
so
and
then
after
year
17.
You
know
the
city
will
start
to
receive
the
full
tax
taxes
on
the
site.
A
Natasha,
so
just
for
clarity,
I
mean
this
is
an
estimation.
It
used
to
be
that
the
county
would
do
an
estimated
future
valuation,
but
now
they're,
not
necessarily
so.
We've
got
developers
submitting
like
construction
costs
and
what
they
assume
will
be
an
appraised
value.
But
when
it's
all
built
and
taxed
there'll
be
a
moment
to
reconcile
this
and
get
a
true
subsidy
amount
right
right.
D
So
how
this
works
is
that
Council
approves.
Let's
say
you
approve
this
value
here,
2.48
million
total.
You
know
approximately
145
a
year,
and
that
is
the
max.
So
staff
is
not
empowered,
like
let's
say,
you're
beyond
correct
like
so.
If
the
valuation
came
in
over
we're,
not
empowered
to
kind
of
raise
that
Grant
on
our
own,
we
would
have
to
come
back
to
city
council
and.
A
D
A
This
project-
this
is
more
for,
like
the
public
I
know,
you
know
this,
but
because
this
project
is
so
complicated
and
the
land
is
very
sloped
and
wetlands
we're
just
saying
you
know,
you're
not
going
to
get
above
the
max,
but
we'll
reconcile
when
the
True
Value
comes
in,
because
I
think
this
valuation
process
we're
going
to
have
to
figure
out
in
the
future.
Yes,.
A
Okay,
that
is
great.
Is
this
a
new,
affordable,
housing,
developer
or
developer?
That's
built,
affordable
housing
in
the
community
before.
D
A
And
then
my
last
question
is:
when
we
do
these
Luigi's
I've
been
kind
of
wondering
you
know.
So
if
if
this
is
granted,
it
goes
to
council
and
they
get
it
it's
built,
and
everything
happens
in
17
years.
Is
there
someone
keeping
like
a
timeline
of
the
return
on
these
things
to
we
know
when
all
these
Luigis
were
doing
are
going
to
hit
back
in
our
budget?
Yes,
is
that
some
kind
of
document
we'll
be
able
to
see
in
the
future.
A
I
came
down
it
with
the
HTF
as
well,
because
what
I'm
getting
at
is
like
it.
It
comes
to
me
in
the
bigger
picture
of
affordable
housing
funding,
whether
we're
doing
Bonds
in
2024
or
2030
or
whatever,
but
when
all
of
these
come
back
into
play
with
Revenue
kind
of
feeds
that
overall
need
cycle
of
funding.
For
you
know
for
decades,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
map
that
in
my
head
for.
D
Sure,
yeah
and
I
think
when
we
come
with
those
policy
changes
next
winter.
We
could
next
winner.
This
future
has
been
a
few
months
left.
We
could
bring
that
with
us.
We
have
it
I,
I,
yes,
but
I.
D
D
Katie
I
don't
know,
what's
left
of
this
right,
so
we're
proving
we're
recommending
approval
for
this
Luigi
application,
and
it
would
be
going
to
the
finance
committee
next
week
and
then
to
City
Council
in
November
Okay
so
and
anything.
D
A
I
wonder
you
know
when
we
think
about
Expediting,
affordable
housing
projects.
If,
if
we're
going
to
review
policy
and
create
a
strong
policy,
I
wonder
if
it
can
become
a
staff
level
review
if
it
meets
all
the
policy,
we
probably
want
to
have
a
broader
discussion
about
the
implications
of
such
but
I.
Wonder
if
it's
something
we
should
consider.
Oh
for
the
zoning
entitlement,
but
not
what
just
for
the
just
for
Luigi.
You
know
I,
don't.
A
Interesting,
okay,
try
and
make
it
simple,
but
bureaucracy
all
right,
any
other
questions,
comments
or
thoughts
on
this
particular
thing,
and
you
do
need
action
on
this
correct.
A
All
right,
I'll,
second,
that
we
will
do
a
roll
call
vote,
councilwoman,
Mosley,
I,
myself,
Sage,
Turner,
I,
all
right
that
will
move
forward
to
council.
Thank
you,
Sasha
for
those
of
you.
Listening
in,
we
have
completed
item
number
three
and
we're
now
on
to
item
number
four,
which
is
public
comment.
I
saw
an
email
that
we
did
not
have
any
comments
before
the
meeting.
Do
we
have
anyone
on
the
phone?
A
Okay
here?
No,
we
do
not
no
public
comments.
Today,
okay,
I
have
a
feeling.
This
might
be
a
quick
meeting,
all
right,
I
believe,
that's
it
any
other
things
to
mention
before
we
adjourn
okay.
Well,
thank
you.
Everyone
for
being
with
us
today
for
this
quick
but
effective
and
efficient
meeting
have
a
great
rest
of
your
Tuesday
and
we
are
adjourned
thanks.
So
thank
you.