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B
Thank
you
bryson
good
morning,
everyone.
I
am
chair
stage
turner
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
july's
housing
and
community
development
committee
meeting.
All
council
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today
welcome
to
help
our
audience
follow
along.
I
will
state
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
B
B
855-925-2801
and
a
code
will
prompt,
you
will
be
prompted
for
a
code
and
that
code
is
9791
for
today's
meeting.
We
also
have
the
option
for
people
to
call
in
and
comment
live
during
the
meeting
to
do
so.
You
will
use
that
same
number,
855,
925,
2801
and
meeting
code
9791,
your
phone
will
be
muted
and
you
will
hear
the
meeting
live
at
the
point.
Callers
will
hear
for
more
options.
Please
press
star
and
pressing
star
3
will
allow
callers
to
continue
to
listen,
live
and
join
a
speaker
queue.
That's
star
three.
B
Each
caller
will
have
three
minutes
to
speak
as
a
reminder
to
everyone
participating
today.
If
you
can
remain
on
mute
to
help
defray
background
noise
and
then
when
it
is,
when
you
are
needed
to
speak
or
if
you
have
something
you
want
to
add,
you
can
use
the
virtual
hand
or
raise
your
hand,
and
I
will
see
you
and
queue
you
up
now
I'll
go
through
roll
call
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
council
and
staff.
As
I
call
your
name,
please
say:
quick
hello.
B
B
B
Moving
on
to
item
two,
the
community
development
and
cbd,
cdbgcv
homeless,
updates,
we'll
hear
from
paul
d'angelo
for
some
updates
and
the
committee
members
can
have
questions
or
comments
about
the
document.
This
is
an
extensive
document
that
is
prepared
for
this
committee
monthly
and
I
encourage
those
in
the
public
to
look
it
up
and
read
it
there's
an
incredible
amount
of
information
within
it.
A
A
You,
but
we
are
having
a
quick
issue
with
public
input
and
being
able
to
hear
you
also,
if
you'll,
just
give
a
quick
second
we're
gonna,
try
and
get
that
fixed
for
you
all.
B
B
A
B
Thank
you,
bryson,
okay,
so
we
are
at
item
two
community
development
updates.
We
have
director
paul
d'angelo
with
us
and
a
fairly
extensive
document,
full
of
updates
paul.
Would
you
like
to
say
anything.
D
Good
morning,
councilwoman
turner,
paul
d'angelo
here
with
community
development,
no
lots
of
information
that
we
continue
to
update,
and
so
at
this
point
with
a
few
items
on
the
agenda,
I'm
just
happy
to
take
any
questions
you
all
may
have
this
morning.
D
So
that's
a
great
question,
so
we've
left
that
on
the
community
development
updates,
just
as
this
gets
shared
out
that
perhaps
we
a
developer
could
be
interested
in
that
parcel.
If
I
understand
correctly,
there
are
some
issues
with
the
fill
there
that
would
have
to
be
handled
for
a
multi-family
building,
but
for
a
single
family
it
may
be
different,
and
so
that's
why
we've
kept
that
on
community
development
updates.
We've
had
a
few
developers,
who've
called
to
ask
some
questions.
D
We've
shared
documents,
no
takers
at
the
moment,
and
of
course
we
do
have
our
policy
for
city-owned
land
as
well.
That
would
have
to
be
followed,
but
we
are
still
you
know,
looking
to
see
if
there's
any
interest
there,
and
if
it's
the
right
type
of
development,
we
could
possibly
move
something
forward.
There.
B
Okay,
I'm
also
curious,
so
I
know
we
were
queuing
up
the
fee
rebate
policy
to
be
more
streamlined
and
return
to
how
it
was
many
years
ago
where
it
didn't
need,
hcd
or
council
approval.
It
could
just
be
more
transactional.
I
have
lost
track
of
where
we're
at
with
that
is
that
coming
to
us
soon,.
D
Yeah
that'll
be
on
council's
agenda
on
tuesday.
Currently
it's
under
consent,
and
I
think
a
council
check
can
probably
go
over
that.
I'm
sure.
B
Well,
that's
great,
that's
sooner
than
I'd
hoped
so
perfect.
Last
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
is
just
kind
of
a
summary.
So
in
reading
through
this
update,
I
know
it's
a
lot
for
the
community
to
absorb.
It
talks
about
many
many
projects,
but
I
wanted
to
offer
up
some
kind
of
summary
data,
because
in
this
update
alone
we
are
talking
about
opening
doors,
which
means
people
are
ready
to
move
in
opening
doors
on
881
new
units
this
year.
2021.,
that's
an
outstanding
number
of
those
I
wanted
to
break
down.
B
394
are
affordable,
there's
a
lot
of
concern
rising
up
in
the
community
about
amis
and
what
is
truly
affordable.
So
we
often
talk
about
80,
ami
and
60
ami,
and
I
wanted
to
share
a
breakdown
for
that.
So
of
those
units,
eight
are
for
sale,
but
63
would
be
for
rent
at
80
ami,
an
astounding
310
would
be
available
between
30
and
60
ami.
An
additional
13
would
be
available
at
30
ami.
B
Just
for
comparison
as
we
talk
about
what
those
amis
really
mean,
60
ami
is
the
equivalent
of
15
an
hour
working
full-time.
So
I
really
wanted
to
share
those
numbers
because
it's
a
lot
of
units
coming
online.
That's
a
lot
of
impressive
ami
reach,
and
you
know
you
can't
really
grasp
that
in
the
summary
itself
so
just
wanted
to
share,
because
I
think
that's
some
amazing
work
and
progress
in
the
community
and
thank
you
for
the
great
update
paul.
As
always,
those
are
all
of
my
comments.
Anybody
else
before
we
move
on.
I
have.
B
F
I
wanted
to
know
where
we
were
with
strategic
partnership
grant
funds
there's
a
lot
of
communication
in
community
about
youth
development
programming.
I
think
that
was
a
little
interference
from
our
my
comment
line.
Our
public
line,
but
yeah
the
city
manager's
office,
is
supposed
to
be
rolling
out
criteria
for
funding
and
yeah.
I
think
it's
it's
time
to
hear
the
announcement.
D
And
so
for
me
good
morning,
council,
our
vice
mayor
smith,
paul
d'angelo,
here
again
with
community
development.
So
for
right
now,
yes,
there
are
some
discussions
about
some
of
those
other
and
I'm
going
to
forget
the
names,
but
the
youth
partnerships
out
there
that
have
been
discussed.
D
As
you
all
know,
the
strategic
partnership
funds
has
focused
on
the
new
focus
of
closing
the
achievement,
the
opportunity
gap
there
and
so
we're
trying
to
see
how
those
two
things
align.
So
more
discussions
to
happen.
I
believe
we
have
spf
coming
back
to
council
at
the
second
meeting
in
september
and
so
right
now
hearing
some
of
these
new
opportunities
that
have
to
do
with
the
opportunity
and
achievement
gap.
I
think
we're
trying
to
see
how
that
aligns
with
what
spf
says.
D
And
quickly,
councilwoman
turner
in
this
community
development
updates
at
the
very
bottom
is
a
link
to
our
council
work
session.
Some
of
those
numbers
that
you
mentioned
come
from
that
council
work
session.
I
think
on
january
26th,
so
that
link
is
in
the
document
to.
I
think
the
presentation,
as
well
as
the
video
just
fyi.
B
Great,
thank
you.
Okay,
you
know,
and
speaking
of
future
items
coming
to
us
and
you
know,
plugging
some
potential
topics
to
discuss
in
the
future.
I
would
love
for
us
to
start
looking
at
whether
or
not
we
are
going
to
look
into
an
additional
round
of
affordable
housing
bonds.
I
know
we
are
our
current
bonds
mature
in
2022,
and
if
we
wanted
to
start
planning,
we
may
need
to
start
talking
about
that
soon.
B
I'm
particularly
interested
in
an
idea
of
exploring
the
south
charlotte
high
impact
site
and
whether
or
not
that
could
begin
some
movement
in
the
next
coming
years
and
knowing
that
these
projects
take
many
years
to
get
together,
go
to
rfp
and
organize
strategies
and
goals.
I
wonder
if
we
want
to
start
planting
some
seeds
for
those
future
items,
just
putting
a
little
thought
out
there.
That's
all
for
me
anybody
else
before
we
move
on
okay.
B
D
Sure
so
everyone
should
have
a
copy
of
the
staff
report
in
front
of
them.
Regarding
spark,
this
is
a
move
to
amend
the
spark
foundation's
2122
cdbg
award
of
twenty
thousand
dollars
in
community
development,
block
grant
cdbg
funds
to
the
domestic
violence
intervention
program
and
submit
an
update
to
the
21
22
annual
action
plan
sign
all
unnecessary
documents
to
implement
the
plan,
and
this
is
just
really
a
spark
one
of
our
great
partners
and
jackie
who
leads
that
is
available
for
questions
as
well
on
today's
meeting.
D
But
the
spark
foundation
has
submitted
a
modified
proposal
to
request
the
redirection
of
the
cdbg
award
to
their
domestic
violence
intervention
program,
which
provide
which
would
provide
domestic
violence,
programming
for
men
and
women
in
english
and
spanish
to
improve
the
stability
of
life,
domains,
reduce
recidivism
and
increase
knowledge
around
the
impacts
of
intimate
partner
violence,
and
this
came
through
community
development
staff.
You've
got
the
staff
report
here
with
our
recommendation
to
move
forward
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
D
Often
after
people
go
through
applications
for
community
development
or
home
funds
in
march,
there
can
be
changes
or
tweaks
and
we
are
wanting
to
bring
those
back
to
you
for
approval
and
then
again
update
the
final
annual
action
plan
and
again
jackie
is
here
this
morning
on
the
call,
jackie
latex
and
we're
happy
to
answer
our
questions.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
paul
and
thanks
for
being
here,
jackie,
I
don't
have
any
concerns.
I'm
happy
to
see
that
there
is
some
movement
and
repurposing
and
it's
within
the
same
need
category.
So
no
concerns
for
me
on
this
one.
Others,
okay!
Well,
I
believe
we
do
need
a
motion.
I
have
a
suggested
motion.
Let
me
get
that
up.
B
D
Councilwoman
turner,
can
I
add
one
quick
thing
to
that.
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
on
on
the
scope
of
works
that
go
into
contract,
something
that
staff
is
doing
that,
I
think,
is
really
helpful
at
the
very
bottom
of
it.
This
is
new.
It
talks
about
additional
hud
information
and
so
we're
really
taking
a
a
little
bit
of
time
at
the
bottom
of
all
of
our
scopes
of
works
to
show
how
it
associates
with
a
consolidated
plan.
D
The
priority
needs
addressed
from
hud
target
area
matrix
code,
so
we're
making
sure
we're
fitting
a
square
peg
into
a
square
peg
and
a
national
objective
all
just
to
help
further
information
there
for
the
community
about
how
all
these
things
line
up
to
not
only
hud
priorities,
but
our
local
priorities
and
the
matrix
code,
etc.
B
Thank
you
paul.
Okay.
I
think
we
are
done
with
item
three
and
we're
going
to
be
moving
on
to
item
four,
which
is
the
101
charlotte
street
project
and
a
land
use
incentive,
grant
request
we're
going
to
paul.
Let
you
speak
a
little
bit.
I
can
introduce
the
project
itself
we're
looking
at
just
one
second,
we're
looking
at
150
new
construction
units,
a
proposal
for
30
of
the
units
to
be
affordable
at
80
percent,
ami
or
20
of
the
units.
I'm
sorry
there
is
a
little
bit
of
I
had
to
clarify
that.
B
I
understood
this
correctly
when
we
say
that
these
units
are
available
at
or
below,
80
ami.
There
is
also
part
of
the
proposal
that
half
of
the
affordable
units
would
accept
housing
vouchers
which
really
targets
30
to
60
ami.
So
in
my
mind,
I'm
thinking
half
of
the
affordable
ask
is
30
to
60
ami
and
the
other
half
is
80
ami
and
that
isn't
necessarily
clear
when
we
say
it,
but
considering
how
important
the
60
ami
goal
is
to
the
community.
B
B
We
do
see
that
they
were
able
to
add
up
to
65
points
for
the
project
and
which
equates
to
13
years
of
tax
rebates
for
those
of
you
listening
at
home.
What
this
means
is
the
new,
a
new
project.
New
construction
creates
new
tax
revenue
and
what
the
city
has
done
is
created
a
policy
that
says
we
will
rebate
you
those
future
tax
dollars,
if
you
will
support
affordable
rents
in
your
development.
So
it's
not,
as
opposed
to
say,
with
the
affordable
housing
bonds.
We
invested
money.
B
D
Sure
good
morning
and
the
staff
report
should
be
in
front
of
everyone.
I
did
want
to
make
a
clarification
that
happened
a
little
bit
later
in
the
day
on
friday.
I
think
after
the
materials
went
out
so
you're
correct
with
the
65
points
and
we'll
be
correcting
this
for
council
with
the
65
points.
One
of
the
10
points,
which
equates
to
two
years
of
property
taxes,
was
coming
from
a
one
to
three
rebuild
of
affordable
units,
but
that
wasn't
quite
accurate
when
we
looked
at
the
numbers.
D
However,
in
further
looking
at
the
application,
10
points
are
available
for
being
in
a
non-qct,
which
is
a
qualified
census
tracts.
So
the
points
will
still
add
up.
A
qualified
census
tract
is
a
census
tract
around
the
country
and
within
the
city
of
asheville
that
either
has
a
poverty
rate
great
or
excuse
me,
an
area
median
income
below
sixty
percent
of
the
area,
meeting
income
for
fifty
percent
of
the
population
in
that
census
tract
or
a
poverty
rate
greater
than
twenty
five
percent.
D
Part
of
something
that
we've
been
doing
with
the
luigi
is
trying
to
encourage
more
development
outside
of
the
qct
is
where
we
always
see
affordable
housing
built
into
what
could
be
described
as
higher
higher
income
or
higher
opportunity
census
tracts.
So
this
would
get
10
points
for
being
in
a
non-qct,
so
the
65
points
in
13
years
still
work.
I
will
just
be
updating
the
staff
report
for
council.
D
B
E
Go
ahead
and
I'm
sorry
sage,
the
lad,
so
is
this
the
the
highest
yearly
income
per
capita
since
this
track?
We
have-
I
don't
know
and
then
another
and
then
and
then
another
question.
When
was
the
last
time
we
build
affordable
housing
in
this
particular
census,
truck.
B
You
know
I've
looked
into
that
too,
because
I
don't
know
in
my
I've
been
working
on
affordable
housing
with
the
city
for
maybe
five
or
six
years,
and
I
don't
know
that
I
have
seen
any
projects
reviewed.
What
one
thing
I
did
note
when
my
was
driving
through
the
community
and
visiting
the
site
and
talking
with
neighbors,
is
that
there
is
a
large
amount
of
a
variety
of
housing,
so
six
packs
twelve
plaques
planted
throughout
this
neighborhood.
D
D
Probably
so,
I
can
find
that
out
and
as
far
as
I
know
since
I've
been
at
the
city
and
before
there
may
be
some
smaller
like
a
single
or
you
know,
maybe
a
town
homes
with
individual
landlords
that
are
affordable,
but
no
larger
project
that
I'm
aware
of
that's
come
through
the
city
of
asheville
for
affordable
housing,
and
this
would
be
today's
luigi
applications
would
be
the
first
and
second
that
have
taken
advantage
of
the
non-qct
points
for
the
build.
E
B
It's
interesting
point:
we
know
that
zip
codes
can
determine
outcomes
and
so
part
of
our
goal
and
why
the
non-qc2
points
are
in.
There
is
because
we,
you
know,
are
always
trying
to
mix
incomes,
whether
it
be
in
a
building
in
a
neighborhood
or
in
a
block
and
to
try
and
decentralize
poverty
and
and
move
lower
incomes
into
higher
income
census
tracks.
So
that
is
why
the
points
are
awarded.
It's
a
really
good
point
to
note
that
both
of
these
projects
are
in
on
qct
that
we'll
be
hearing
today.
D
Met
councilwoman
turner,
wyatt,
stevens
who's
representing
developer,
is
here
this
morning
as
well
to
answer
any
questions.
Yes,.
F
Before
wyatt
goes,
I
do
have
a
question
paul
with
our
luige
applications
in
the
past.
How
successful
have
these
developers
been
in
actually
landing
voucher
holders
for
for
units
that
have
been
set
aside.
C
B
B
B
F
D
So
I
can
tell
you
that,
right
now,
it's
a
fairly
recent
change.
I
think
it
was
november
of
2020,
where
we
talked
about
the
vouchers
and
the
in
that
change
might
have
been
a
luigi
before
that,
but
councilwoman
turner
is
right
and
that
we
are
waiting
on
360
hilliard.
I
haven't
heard
any
difficulty
with
vouchers
and
with
their
long
waiting
list.
D
I
would
assume
that
it
should
work
out
really
well
and,
as
you
know,
in
the
update
we
just
passed
in
june,
we've
now
laid
out
some
guidelines
for
who
they
need
to
reach
out
to
to
show
that
they
are
not
only
reaching
within
the
community
but
reaching
out
to
some
of
our
partners
who
have
rental
assistance.
B
Yeah,
that's
a
great
point
and
perhaps,
as
we
navigate
these
projects
coming
online
and
opening
doors,
we
can
get
updates
on
them.
They
do
have
to
income
qualified
folks,
so
they're.
You
know,
and
I
believe
the
contract
allows
the
city
to
request,
rent
rolls
and
so
on
and
verify
that
folks
are
qualified.
So
maybe
there's
a
way
for
us
to
report
back
on
the
success
of
landing
voucher
holders.
B
I
know
I've
personally
worked
with
the
steering
committee
for
thrive,
asheville
and
they
are
in
touch
with
some
of
these
folks
and
helping
land
those
relationships
and
get
through
the
complexities
of
how
it
works.
I
remain
hopeful.
E
G
G
The
first
project
that
I
was
associated
with
that
agreed
to
accept
vouchers
as
part
of
a
luigi
grant,
was
at
the
cox
ashland
project,
which
has
just
gotten
started,
but
I
know
that
in
that
case,
and
in
this
case
the
developers
understand
that
they
will
not
qualify
for
the
tax
rebate
grant
if
they
don't
comply
with
the
terms
of
the
grant
which
require
the
acceptance
of
a
certain
number
of
vouchers.
You
know
on
this
one.
You
know
the
acceptance
of
15
vouchers
or
50
percent
is
considerable.
G
What
I've
been
told
from
talking
to
my
folks,
my
friends
at
mountain
housing
opportunities,
is
that
that
is
a
fairly
seamless
program.
They
have
no
problem
at
mountain
housing,
filling
many
of
their
spaces
with
voucher
holders
and
and
they
work
very
well
with
the
housing
authority.
David
nash
has
assured
me,
as
as,
as
madam
chair
indicated
a
minute
ago,
there
is
a
very
long
list
of
or
or
number
of
vouchers
that
go
unused
every
year.
This
is
a
real
challenge
in
our
community,
and
so
with
cox
ashland.
G
It
was
a
big
ask
and
I
remember
announcing
that
my
client
was
willing
to
accept
them
and
we've
seen
other
developers
follow
in
that
path.
I
mean
my
my
hope
is
that,
with
each
win
that
we
get
on
this
issue,
it
will
be
much
easier
for
folks
to
find
to
be
able
to
utilize
those
vouchers
to
take
advantage
of
this
program.
G
Tenants,
that's
been
true
in
in
almost
every,
if
not
every
mountain
housing
development
that
accepts
vouchers
and
they
accept
them
at
all
of
them.
So
I'm
I'm
very
optimistic.
This
will
be
a
really
successful
program
of
mixed
income
with
you
know,
15
folks,
with
vouchers
15
who
will
have
to
income
qualified
80
of
ami,
and
then
you
know,
market
rate
units
for
the
remainder.
G
E
I'm
also
wondering
then
kind
of
going
along
with
the
mho
policy.
Is
the
developer
committed
to
waiving
the
credit
check
requirements
for
voucher
holders.
G
I
you
know,
I
I
don't
that's
a
good
question.
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that.
Without
talking
to
my
client,
I
so
I
I
don't
you
know
I
I
I
don't
know
I
I
know,
as
I
said,
that
the
housing
authority
does
a
good
job
of
screening
those
folks.
I
know
those
vouchers
are
very
valuable
in
terms
of
the
reimbursement
rate.
B
Okay,
I
have
a
few,
I'm
sure-
that's
not
a
surprise,
so
one
of
the
things
just
procedurally
looking
at
this
that
I
was
having
a
hard
time
with-
is
that,
as
you
know,
this
project
is
larger
than
just
these
particular
new
units.
B
We
know
that
there
are
some
existing
houses
in
the
remainder
of
this
project
that
are
subject
to
being
demolished
and
removed,
and
I'm
not
quite
clear
on
how
many
units
are
there
or
how
many
are
inhabited
or
how
many
are
affordable
or
how
many
are
being
lost
and
there's
a
lot
of
you
know,
comment
and
rhetoric
in
the
community.
I
would
like
to
hear
directly
what
that
number
is,
how
many
units
are
being
lost
that
are
currently
in
place.
D
Sure,
let
me
take
a
look
real
quick
wide
if
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
start.
G
Yeah,
so
there
are
included
within
the
the
parcels
that
would
be
affected
by
this
luigi
grant,
which
is
a
subset
of
the
larger
project,
we're
talking
about
the
charlotte
street
buildings
and
the
chestnut
buildings
and
the
parking
deck.
That's
that's
only
thing
that
would
be
affected
by
this
luigi
grant,
because
those
are
the
only
buildings
that
would
contain
rental
housing
as
opposed
to
for
sale
houses.
G
A
luigi
grant
doesn't
do
a
property
owner
any
good
for
for
sale
housing
because
once
it's
sold
it's
sold,
so
so
the
the
luigi
grant
you
know
could
necessarily
only
relate
to
the
to
the
rental
units
that
we're
going
to
see
and
just
looks
like
it's
coming
on
the
screen.
G
So
if
you,
if
you
look
at
this
diagram
buildings,
a
b
c
d
and
g
g
being
the
parking
deck,
those
are
the
ones
that
are
included
in
this
luigi
application,
so
we're
not
asking
for
any
sort
of
property
tax
abatement
on
any
of
the
remaining
parcels,
including
the
asheville,
arms,
etc.
That's
not
part
of
this
application.
G
This
application
would
say
how
much
look
at
all
these
origin.
These
parcels
that
are
there
now.
Some
of
which
have
structures,
what's
the
tax
value
now
and
then,
when
these
improvements
are
completed,
you'll
have
an
increased
tax
value
and
this
would
be
a
tax
rebate
of
the
increase
in
taxes
on
those
specific
parcels
and
those
specific
buildings.
G
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
units
are
currently
occupied
in
those
specific
homes,
but
I
do
know
that
of
all
of
the
homes
on
the
site
and
there's
a
total
of
13,
one
of
which
we
are
proposing
for
preservation
and
that's
the
little
white
one
up
here
in
the
corner
on
furman
of
of
of
the
of
those
13
homes,
there's
only
10
that
are
occupied
and
we
have
a
plan
for
helping
the
giving
those
folks
ample
notice
to
relocate
and
even
assist
them
in
that
relocation.
G
You
know
they
will
get
their
deposit
back,
we'll
work
with
work
with
them
to
find
other
housing,
either
in
other
rcg
units
or
elsewhere,
and
of
course
we
would
love
for
them
to
come
back
so
you're
talking
about
a
total
of
12.,
I
don't
know
exactly
where
they
are.
I
suspect
that
it
is
fewer
than
12
among
the
homes
that
would
be
affected
by
this.
What
we're
talking
about
today
and
this,
which
will
be
the
first
phase
of
development,
these
buildings
and
the
parking
day.
B
Thank
you
that
helps
a
little.
The
numbers
I'm
hearing
are
that
a
total
some
of
these
houses
are
broken
into
triplexes
over
time.
They're
still
single-family
homes
made
up
of
several
units,
I'm
not
quite
sure
if
it
became
multi-family
or
not,
but
what
I'm
hearing
is
there's
about.
21
total
apartments
within
the
homes
of
which
maybe
10
or
12
units
are
currently
rented,
and
I
mentioned
this
because
I'm
looking
at
the
overall
net
unit
count
and
affordable
unit
count,
and
we
offer
points
in
our
luigi
process
for
having
affordability
and
replacing
it
with
affordability.
B
B
I
am
concerned
about
the
loss
and
how
it
plays
into
the
future
number
of
units.
Additionally,
I
am
curious
why
the
asheville
arms
56
unit,
donut
there
in
the
back
is
not
part
of
the
luigi
ask,
and
I
personally
would
like
to
see
it
as
part
of
the
luigi
ask,
and
I
would
like
to
see
some
of
those
units
deed
restricted.
B
As
well,
I'm
thinking
that
the
five
or
six
years
of
construction
on
this
site
are
going
to
kind
of
leave
them
in
an
affordability
status
simply
because
of
the
noise
and
interruption,
but
also
the
state
of
those
the
condition
of
those
apartments.
And
why
can
you
speak
to
what
whether
the
developer
would
consider,
including
the
asheville
arms
and
additional
units
within
the
arms.
G
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question.
So,
first
of
all,
you
know
if
we
were
to
proceed
on
that
basis.
That
would
be
a
separate
luigi
grant.
I
give
credit
to
council
and
to
paul
for
just
within
the
last
month,
approving
a
a
revision
to
the
luigi
grant
that
it
would
apply
to
an
existing
building
and
how
that
would
work.
Is
you
look
at
the
current
tax
value
of
the
land
and
the
in
the
building
that
is
on
it?
G
That
is
an
existing
building
and
then,
if
you're,
able
to
bring
in
deed,
restrict
20
affordable?
And
you
know
you
got
to
look
at
the
same
kind
of
point
system-
you
would
for
any
other
luigi
grant.
But
assuming
you
qualify
for
x
number
of
years,
the
the
rules
now
require.
I
may
now
allow
a
property
owner
incentivized
as
a
property
owner
to
apply
for
a
luigi
grant
for
that,
so
that,
if
we
did
that,
that
would
be
just
so
we're
clear.
G
But
your
question
really
is:
okay,
fine,
would
your
client
consider
I
it's
you
know
applying
for
a
luigi
grant
to
deed
restrict
that
building?
We
haven't,
ruled
it
out.
It's
not
before
you
today,
because
you
know
candidly
it
is,
it
is
already
a
functionally
affordable
building
has
been
for
the
decades
that
my
clients
have
owned
it.
G
I
can
tell
you-
and
I
could
share
pictures
if
you
wanted
to
see
them
of
the
renovations
that
have
been
ongoing
with
those
units
they're
really
nice
they're
in
the
process
of
upgrading
every
single
one
of
the
units,
and
they
intend
to
do
that,
regardless
of
any
luigi
grant,
regardless
of
anything
else.
But
if
it
is
the
sentiment
of
city
council
that,
in
order
to
approve
the
entire
conditional
zoning
project,
not
before
you
today,
but
definitely
before
you
next
tuesday.
G
B
Thank
you.
Procedurally,
I
reached
out
to
the
city
attorney
about
what
this
would
look
like
and
just
to
clarify
on
process
for
fellow
committee
members.
The
luigi
asked
before
us
today
can
be
amended
before
it
comes
to
council
next
tuesday,
so
we
will
vote
today
and
recommend
or
not
recommend
or
have
our
own
changes
and
details
with
it,
but
the
developer
can
and
is
able
to
if
they
wish
to
add
in
the
asheville
arms
and
additional
units
there
before
it
comes
to
us
at
council
next
week.
B
I
wanted
to
point
out
a
couple
other
things.
You
know
you
mentioned
the
house
on
furman
and
I
really
want
to
give
y'all
some
kudos
there.
I
believe
it's
colored
and
white
is
that
the
some
of
the.
B
So
it's
a
it's
a
large
house,
it's
been
split
into
two
units
currently
and
I
understand
it
could
become
three
units
and
offering
them
for
sale.
Affordably,
I
think,
is
remarkable
and
needs
to
be
pointed
out,
because,
right
now
it
is
all
but
impossible
to
find
a
house
in
asheville
that
you
one
can
purchase
it's
impossible
to
find
inventory.
The
entire
real
estate
market
is
suffering
from
four
or
five
months
of
decline
in
sales
and
unit
numbers
inventory
is
drastically
down.
B
So
not
only
is
it
hard
to
find
somewhere
to
live
and
find
a
home,
it
is
even
harder
to
get
it
under
contract
average
time
on
the
market
is
five
days.
It's
even
harder
nearly
impossible
to
afford
some
of
the
prices
these
days.
So
when
I
see
affordable
home
ownership
opportunities,
I
want
to
celebrate
that,
and
I
want
to
encourage
the
developer
to
take
that
extra
step
and
work
with
an
organization
like
thrive,
because
vouchers
can
cover
mortgages.
B
So
if
you
can
imagine
that
it's
hard
to
find
a
house
even
harder
to
get
it
under
contract
and
even
harder
to
afford
it,
it
is
nearly
impossible
for
a
voucher
holder
in
this
community
to
buy
a
home.
So
this
is
a
strategic
opportunity
and
I
applaud
your
efforts
with
this
house
and
I
feel,
like
you,
listen
to
some
early
on
input
from
the
community,
and
I
appreciate
that
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
also
try
and
get
voucher
holders
into
those
for
sale
units,
and
you
have
time
to
do
so.
B
So
that's
just
a
little
plug.
I
also
really
like
the
mix
of
units
in
this
affordability
mix.
You've
got
live,
work,
you've
got
one
bedroom,
you've
got
efficiencies.
You've
got
two
bedrooms,
we
know
as
a
community
that
we
need
greater
bedroom
numbers
that
we
are
not
placing
families
very
well
where
all
of
our
studies
have
pointed
to
needing
one
bedroom
and
efficiencies,
and
I
appreciate
the
diversity
of
unit
mix
here.
I
don't
think
it's
an
appropriate
location
for
three
bedrooms
and
families
to
live
on
a
primary
corridor.
B
So
I'm
okay
with
that,
but
I
wanted
to
applaud
you
on
your
efforts
for
having
so
much
diversity
in
units
and
also
you
know.
This
is
tricky
because
you
have
an
application
before
us
that
is
limited
to
this
new
construction,
and
we
are
also
discussing
things
as
you
approach
council
next
week,
and
I
know
there
is
some
consideration
for
the
corner
of
baird
and
charlotte
the
unit.
The
structure
there
has
commercial
space
and
since
the
pandemic
has
hit
commercial
space
is
facing
some
market
changes
and
I'm
curious.
B
If
you
can
speak
to
whether
or
not
that
commercial
space
could
potentially
become
residential.
I
mentioned
this
because
in
an
email
from
you
previously
from
the
client,
there
was
a
pledge
to
if
that
commercial
space
was
to
convert
to
residential,
that
those
units
would
also
be
20
of
them
in
affordable
ranges.
So
can
you
speak
to
that
and
is
that
something
you're
still
considering
part
of
this
application
and
whether
or
not
you
know
if
you're
going
to
convert
the
commercial
space
or
not?
G
G
We
we
don't
know
whether
there
will
be
demand
for
commercial
office
when
we
get
to
that
building
and
it
starts
really
going
up
and
filling
out,
and
so
we
built
into
the
b1
conditions
the
flexibility
to
essentially
convert
those
floors
from
commercial
office
to
residential.
So
the
b1
condition
says
now.
Although
we're
we're
currently
proposing
120
excuse
me
150
new
residential
units,
we
could
actually
do
up
to
a
total
of
216
new
residential
units
that
would
be
181
new
plus.
G
You
know
the
31
for
sale,
so,
in
other
words,
short
short
answer
to
your
question
is
absolutely
we
have
built
into
the
conditions
the
flexibility
to
convert
that
over.
And
yes,
if
we
convert
that
over,
we
agree
and
if
it's,
I
think,
it's
clear
in
the
conditions.
But
if
it
isn't,
I'm
stating
it
now
and
we'll
make
it
clear
that
each
that
that
with
every
new
unit
or
let's
say
every
new
10
10
new
units,
20
of
those
will
be
deed,
restricted,
affordable,
absolutely
great.
G
B
Okay,
great,
so
I
think
for
me,
the
big
thing
with
this
particular
ask
is
the
asheville
arms
units
and
the
loss
of
some
of
the
existing
affordable
units
and
the
structures
that
are
proposed
to
be
demolished.
So
I
would
feel
really
great
about
supporting
this
ask
if
the
asheville
arms
also
restricted
20
of
those
units
at
or
below,
80
ami
and
half
incorporating
vouchers.
I
have
not.
You
know.
We
have
not
deliberated
behind
the
scenes
on
this
because
we
cannot.
G
Do
you
mind
if
I,
if
I
respond
because
20
20
is
considerably
more
than
20,
yes
to
qualify
for
a
luigi
grant,
which
we
have
not
yet
applied
for
for
the
asheville
arms
that
would
be
56
units,
so
it
would
be
11
to
12
units
indeed
restricted,
that
is,
that
would
be
the
minimum
required
in
order
to
qualify
and
paul.
You
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
B
There
are
10
to
12,
potentially
lost
units
in
the
other
houses,
and
you
know
I
don't
think
I
would
normally
expect
a
developer
to
come
to
the
table
with
more
than
20
affordable.
However,
because
of
the
asheville
arms
and
the
decades
that
it
has
been
affordable.
I
believe
there
is
an
ability
to
do
this
here,
so
I
think,
with
those
20
units,
what
you
get
to
is
206
total
units,
50
of
which
would
be
affordable
and
25
20
of
them
at
80,
ami
and
25
at
voucher,
accepting
30
to
60..
B
I
feel
more
comfortable
about
that,
because
it
replaces
some
of
the
lost
units.
The
overall
affordability
of
the
project
would
actually
touch
25,
so
I'm
putting
that
out
there,
but
that
to
me,
validates
and
makes
me
feel
better
about
the
loss
of
the
other
units.
I'm
not
sure
how
my
colleagues
feel.
F
I
think
we're
all
on
the
same
page.
In
that
regard,
I
would
love
to
hear
from
wyatt
his
future
plans
for
actual
arms,
because
we
don't
get
as
many
units
affordable
as
we
have
in
actual
arms
and
the
level
of
affordability,
any
any
other
place.
So
what's
the
future
of
asheville
arms,
when
you're
doing
all
this
new
construction
around
it
is
there
a
plan
to
renovate
which
will
then
hike
the
the
cost
of
rental
units.
G
So
the
current
conditional
zoning
application
includes
the
the
pin,
the
the
piece
of
property
that
the
asheville
arms
is
located
on.
So
that's
the
current.
That's
the
current
application
and
I'll
circle
back
that
to
that
point.
In
a
minute,
if
city
council
approves
the
conditional
zoning,
that
building
could
not
be
removed
without
coming
back
to
city
council
for
approval,
because
it
would
appear
on
the
zoning
map
that
the
city
would
be
approving,
so
it's
not
going
anywhere
as
a
building
on
the
renovation
point.
G
As
I
said
earlier,
my
client
has
been
for
some
time
now
in
the
process
of
upgrading
and
renovating
those
units
they
still
according
to
what
I've
seen
from
the
rent
rolls
still
rent
kind
of
right
in
that
80
to
100
percent
ami
range.
When
you
compare
them
to
the
schedule
so
even
with
the
renovations
they're
they're,
still
kind
of
holding
their
own
as
functionally
affordable
housing.
G
G
What
what
madam
chair
is
proposing
is
that
we
as
part
of
this
luigi
application,
amend
it-
I
guess,
to
include
a
portion
of
those
and
actually
indeed
restrict
them
to
to
to
make
sure
that
for
a
period
of
20
years,
those
rates
would
be
tied
to
the
you
know
to
to
the
to
the
80
ami
calculations.
G
As
you
know,
as
it
comes
out
every
year
and
we've
we've
never
agreed
to
to
any
we've,
never
really
seriously
discussed
anything
more
than
20
and-
and
I
think
it's,
although
it
seems
like
it's
not
asking
a
lot,
it
is
asking
a
lot
to
take.
G
We
would
not
have
to
to
go
higher
and
they're,
not
many
property
owners
that
would
go
higher
and-
and
I
I
would-
I
would
respectfully
push
back
and
say-
I
think
that
that's
you
know
unless,
unless
you
know,
city
council
is
going
to
say,
we'll
approve
the
entire
project-
everything
about
this
project,
if
you
do
that,
that's
a
dialogue,
we're
willing
to
have,
but
just
in
isolation
with
respect
to
this
luigi
grant
that
is
clear
and
strong
and
well
supported
by
city
staff
for
the
new
buildings.
That's
what
we're
talking
about
today.
G
G
So
back
to
the
point
about
the
the
application,
there
has
been
dialogue
about
the
possibility
of
just
splitting
off
the
bare
properties
of
four
of
the
five
and
the
furman
properties,
which
would
include
the
asheville
arms
from
the
conditional
rezoning
and
focusing
the
conditional
rezoning
only
on
the
same
properties.
We're
talking
about
today,
which
are
the
new
buildings,
the
retail
ground,
ground
floor
residential
on
top
that
that
has
been
floated
as
recently
as
yesterday
and
again
a
discussion
with
city
staff
this
morning.
You
know
we
think
it.
G
We
think
the
whole
project
ought
to
be
considered
at
one
time,
but
that's
out
there
and
you
guys
will
be
hearing
more
about
that.
And-
and
so
you
know
it's
one
of
those
trade-offs
like
you
either
you
either
include
all
these
properties
and
you
re-zone
them,
and
you
know
what
you're
getting
or
both
parties
leave
open
for
the
future.
What
could
happen
to
the
asheville
arms
or
to
these
other
sites?
G
The
advantage
of
the
master
plan
that
we
presented
is
you
know
what
you'll
get
and,
and
you
can
get
certainty
into
that
into
that
concept.
So
I
just
wanted
to
flag
that.
So
very
long
answer
your
question,
but
you
know
matt,
madame
vice
chair,
we
we
have
no
intention
of
changing
that
asheville
arms,
it's
a
great
building
the
residents
in
there
like
that
building
and-
and
we
think
it's
very
functional.
B
B
The
other
thing
is
that
I
think
was
probably
important
to
point
out
that
isn't
typical,
because
just
at
our
last
council
meeting,
we
approved
this
new
luigi
that
allows
an
existing
structure
to
incorporate
affordability
and
get
the
rebate,
so
we
don't
have
any
of
these
on
the
record.
Yet
we
don't
have
any
past
experiences
to
look
to
and
what
happens
is
part
of
the
process
of
the
luigi
grant?
Is
income
qualifying
the
folks
that
live
there?
So
you
have
in
this
situation
56
apartments
that
are
full
of
folks
that
have
never
been
income
qualified.
B
We
have
no
idea
what
their
incomes
are,
so
it
creates
a
new
problem.
Should
this
particular
parcel
and
units
be
mixed
into
luigi,
so
I
think
we
would
have
to
find
a
solution
to
that
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
janice
and
brad
if
you're
on,
but
I
think
the
only
legal
route
for
a
landlord
would
be
to
simply
not
renew
the
leases.
So
we
wouldn't
want
to
evict
people
from
their
homes
to
income
qualify
new
people,
but
we
would
be
able
to.
B
E
B
Okay,
this
is
interesting,
so
we
have
no
movement
here,
and
that
is
concerning.
So
this
item
is
to
come
before
council
next
week.
It
does
not
require
hcd's
approval
or
recommendation
at
this
time.
However,
what
I'm
sensing
is
that
we
do
not.
We
will
not
be
making
a
recommendation
today.
This
item
will
not
proceed
in
any
manner
and
then
the
developer
will
have
the
choice
of
whether
or
not
to
proceed
with
their
follow-up
meeting
with
the
entire
council
present
janice
or
brad.
If
you're
on,
can
you
ensure
me
that
that
is
the
correct
path.
H
Right
no
seconds,
but
but
first
in
the
motion
that
you
made
were
you
emit,
were
you
amending
the
application
to
include
and
make
the
luigi
include
the
asheville
arms
and
the
20
units
you've
been
discussing?
Yes,
which
is
is
really
is
not
the
application.
That's
before
you
as
wyatt
has
explained,
and
I
I
guess
I
thought
where
you
were
going
in
that
discussion
was
leave
it
out
of
the
luigi
but
understand
it
would
seem
like
you
were
giving
direction
to
the
applicant
when
it
moves
forward
for
the
cz
as
a
condition
of
the
cz.
H
That's
going
to
be
an
additional.
You
know
in
the
cz
there
is
in
the
conditions.
There
is
already
the
affordable
that
take
that
matches
up
with
the
luigi.
I
suppose
it
would
be
if
they
propose
it
an
amended
c
c,
z,
condition
but
not
luigi.
So
I'm
a
little
I'm
sorry.
I
was
a
little
confused
by
your
amendment
and
then
this
what
you're
trying
to
do
with
that.
B
My
goal
was
to
incorporate
the
asheville
arms
into
the
luigi,
ask
and
for
this
committee
to
potentially
make
a
recommendation
to
council
of
a
similar
nature.
So
you
know
they
have
the
they
have
the
next
week
to
amend
their
application
or
create
a
new
one
for
the
asheville
arms.
Procedurally,
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
the
best
route,
but
I
I
am
requesting
that
the
asheville
arms
be
included
and
that
20
of
those
units
be
restricted
and
that
motion
did
not
receive
a
second
so
and.
H
And
I'm
sorry
and
that
there's
a
recalculation
new,
using
this
new
criteria
that
was
approved
on
the
on
the
luigi,
what
you
were
discussing
about
the
redevelopment
units
so
there'd
need
to
be
a
new
recalculation
of
what
the
luigi
would
be.
Yes,.
E
B
We're
making
a
recommendation
at
the
end
of
the
day,
so
we
don't.
You
know
if
we
could
say
no
to
this
entire
request
today,
but
it
could
still
proceed
to
council.
We
are
not
an
authority
on
this
as
it
stands.
You
know
the
council
will
have
the
final
vote,
but
yes,
so
if
I'm
sorry,
if
I
confused
it,
but
I
do
think
that
we
can
make
a
recommendation
that
luigi
application
be
expanded
to
include
other
parcels
that
are
already
included
in
the
conditional
zoning
that
comes
before
us
next
week.
H
You
can
make
the
recommendation.
You
didn't
get
a
second
on
that
there
could
be
an
alternate
motion
to
approve.
I
don't
know
if
either
other
either
councilwoman
smith
or
councilwoman
mosley
wants
to
make
the
alternative
motion
which
would
be
to
approve
the
luigi
as
is
and
and
then
see.
If
you
get
a
second
and
then
you
can
still
on
top
of
that,
have
a
recommendation.
F
Right
which
got
no
traction,
but
the
amended
motion
didn't
either
because
sage,
I
think
there
there
needs
to
be
a
lot
more
clarity,
so
apparently,
you've
thought
this
through,
and
I
just
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
if,
if
with
your
emotion,
you're,
preserving
workforce
housing
at
the
level
of
affordability
as
it
stands,.
B
All
I'm
saying
with
the
asheville
arms
is,
I
recognize
there
are
currently
affordable,
rents
there.
I
also
recognize
that
the
developer
has
been
doing,
updates
and
changes
to
the
apartments
and
with
those
updates
come
hire
rents.
Sometimes
I
don't,
I
don't
know
or
expect
them
to
keep
everything
affordable,
indeed,
restricted
in
that
way.
What
I'm
saying
is
that
I
believe
20
of
the
units
could
be
and
that
it
would
not
greatly
impact
the
proforma
or
entire
project.
The
challenge
here
is
that
that
parcel
has
not
been
included
in
this
particular
luigi
application.
F
F
Without
that
knowledge,
without
that
commitment
to
keep
it
at
the
depth
of
affordability
with
the
number
of
affordable
units,
then
we
have
31
units
at
40
to
60
percent
ami,
which
is
commendable.
You
can't
find
that
anywhere,
not
in
not
in
that
census
track,
but
you're,
saying
with
us
not
knowing
the
future
of
asheville
arms
and
that
we're
going
to
be
to
preserve
any
level
of
affordability.
B
Correct
point:
they
if
they
were
to
a
straight
luigi
request,
an
application
for
that
parcel
stand
alone.
Then
the
expectation
would
be
no
greater
than
20
of
the
units
which
would
be
11
or
12
units.
What
I
am
suggesting
is
that
the
impact
the
great
greater
block
wide
project
has
is
that
there
are
some
units
lost
as
well,
and
I
would
like
to
see
some
of
those
affordable
units
that
number
tick
up
because
of
that.
So
that
is
why
I
am
saying
20
units
and
not
20
percent,
so.
F
B
Well,
so
it's
fascinating
because
the
developer
has
chosen
to
incorporate
the
asheville
arms
in
the
overall
conditional
zoning.
Therefore,
it
is
now
subject
to
our
review,
approval
conditions
etc.
Had
it
not
been
incorporated
into
the
conditional
rezoning
request,
we
would
not
be
having
this
conversation
so
because
of
that
and.
G
G
A
question
has
been
raised
about.
Well,
you
know
why?
Don't
you
pull
out
some
of
the
bare
properties
from
the
cz
we've
said
we
don't.
We
don't
think
that
makes
sense,
but
if
we
were
going
to
do
that
it
you
know
it
would
make
sense
just
to
carve
all
of
that
off
furman
and
bear
and
just
focus
on
this.
G
We
don't
want
to
do
that
to
be
clear,
councilwoman
smith,
we
we
want
to
proceed
with
the
whole
project,
but
what
I,
what
I
hear
from
the
discussion
is,
we
want
the
asheville
arms
as
part
of
the
cz,
and
we
have
no
heartburn
about
that.
I
hear
also
we
want
you
to
indeed
restrict
a
certain
number
of
units
in
the
ash
alarm
so
that
we
have
the
assurance,
councilwoman
smith,
that
that
those
those
units
will
remain
affordable
for
at
least
20
years.
G
What
I
will
say
is
this:
we're
absolutely
willing
to
have
that
discussion
and
to
submit
a
proper,
which
would
be
a
separate
luigi
application
where
we
do
the
calculations
and-
and
you
all
would
have
this-
the
whole
city
council
would
have
to
vote
on
that
as
a
free
sting.
It's
a
really
is
a
separate
application
and
you
could
quite
easily
say
because
the
luigi
in
and
of
itself
is
a
legislative
decision.
You
could
say.
G
I
know
that
our
policy
says
that
you
qualify
at
20,
but
you
could
say
we're
not
going
to
give
it
to
you
unless
you
do
more.
That's
that's
within
your
purview
because
it's
a
it's
a
discretionary
decision.
So
what
you
could
do
today
is
say
we
like
this
existing
luigi
application.
It
creates
you
know:
30,
currently
non-existent,
affordable
housing
units
in
north
asheville,
15
of
which
will
accept
vouchers.
We
like
that
on
its
own
merits.
G
B
D
It
would
be
my
question
to
legal
and
janice
that
I
think
we
could
amend
this
one,
but
I
still
have
to
do
all
the
scoring
and
I
would
assume
if
it's
going
to
be
on
different
parcels,
that
the
developer
is
going
to
want
them
to
be
considered
separately
in
case
one
passes
and
the
other
one
doesn't.
But
I
would
look
for
guidance
from
late
goal.
H
I
agree,
I
think
it's
again,
it's
a
different
kind
of
development,
probably
a
different
kind
of
calculation
in
the
change
in
tax
rates.
From
going
from
a
you
know,
underdeveloped
parcel
to
a
brand
new
development,
here's
your
keeping
the
existing
housing.
That's
how
we
do
luigi.
We
do
the
difference
between
when
it's
renovated
and
not
so
that
you
know
I
would.
I
think
it
would
be
better
to
isolate
these.
I
was
going
to
say
I
the
more
I
think
about
it.
The
application
before
you
is
just
as
it's
been
presented.
H
I
don't
think
it
can
be
amended,
at
least
unless
unless
the
applicant
agreed
to
amend
it
so,
but
you
could
certainly
say
we're
approving
this
luigi
on
the
condition
that
they
do
this
and
that's
the
recommendation.
Then
that
goes
up
to
the
full
council.
H
The
only
other
thing
I
want
to
wanted
to
add
so
again,
so
you
so,
I
guess
councilwoman
mosley,
you
said
how
do
we
phrase
this
so
approve
prove
the
existing
luigi
application
before
you
on
the
condition
that
they
will
apply
for
a
separate
luigi
for
the
ash,
fill
arms
to
include
20
units.
H
But
it
sounds
like
that's
the
fair
thing
to
do
is
they
have
to
one
apply
for
a
luigi
and
also
at
the
same
time,
it's
going
to
become
a
condition
of
the
conditional
zoning
and
then
again
mr
stevens
will
have
to
talk
to
his
client
about
you
know.
H
B
Yeah
and
part
of
this
is
coming
from-
I
know
that
the
first
iteration
that
I
believe
it
was
pnz
heard
from
this
developer-
was
that
they
wanted
to
build
all
of
this
and
on
their
own
accord
and
expense
without
any
subsidy.
They
were
going
to
supply
10
percent
of
units.
B
So
now
we
are
throwing
in
the
tax
rebate
subsidy,
it's
a
value
of
1.5
million,
it's
more
if
the
asheville
arms
are
incorporated
and
it's
over
a
rebate
period
of
13
years.
So
if
the
developer
was
able
to
do
10
without
any
subsidy,
I
don't
see
the
enormous
impact
that
would
be
created
if
we
do
subsidize
and
we
get
to
that
asheville
arms
and
included
units.
B
So
I
janus,
I
think
you
clarified
what
I
need,
and
I
think
I
just
stated
it
incorrectly
by
saying
an
amendment,
so
it
would
be
with
a
condition
that
the
asheville
arms
be
included
in
a
follow-up
luigi
application
of
which
20
of
the
units
are
restricted
to
80,
ami
or
less
okay.
So
I
will
oh
go
ahead
paul.
I.
D
Apologize
councilwoman
turner,
just
two
quick
questions:
number
one
when
you're
saying
20
of
the
affordable
20
units
of
the
56
at
asheville
arms.
Are
you
asking
that
10
of
those
of
the
20
except
vouchers?
I
don't
think
you
made
that
okay
and
then
my
other
question
would
be
to
assistant
city
manager,
kathy
baum
being
so
formal
this
morning,
sorry
kathy
in
just
the
aspect
of
with
a
new
application
and
then
knowing,
I
think,
with
council
check-ins
on
thursday.
C
I
think
just
having
the
concept
for
thursday
is
fine.
I
think
actually
getting
the
the
paperwork
in
you
know,
maybe
monday
close
to
business,
so
folks
can
review
it
by
tuesday
is
fine.
I
think
I
think
what
I
would
need
for
for
thursday
would
just
be
the
conceptual
idea
behind
what
the
second
luigi
would
have.
F
So
before
you
make
the
motion,
let
me
just
step
out
and
say:
let
me
just
let
me
just
step
out
and
say
this.
My
overall
concern
with
luigi
was
your
the
last
point
that
you
made
you
all
wyatt,
your
your
client
was
going
to
with
the
original
proposal
was
going
to
provide
10
affordable
at
his
cost,
privately
funded.
But
now,
with
the
luige
grant,
you
have
an
increase
in
affordable
units,
but
it's
all
on
the
city
to
type
to
kind
of
subsidize.
F
So
where's,
your
10,
you
know,
and-
and
that
was
my
thought
with
luigi
in
general-
so
I
was-
I
was
prepared
not
to
vote
for
in
favor
of
luige
period
because
originally,
if
you
had
10
on
the
table,
where's
your
10,
because
right
at
the
point
the
city
is
providing
subsidy
for
20
percent.
The.
G
F
G
Right
so
the
the
the
10
that
we
proposed
out
of
the
box
was
in
good
faith
and
it
and
it
it
drove
all
the
way
back
to
the
start
of
this
project
when
the
the
luige
policy
only
required
10,
and
so
we
hoped
on
the
front
end
when
I
convinced
my
client
to
do
and
to
do
a
luigi
grant,
if
you
remember
from
cox,
ashland
they're
only
committing
to
10
and
they
got
a
luigi
grant
on
that
for
10
of
those
units
50
units
they
got
a
luigi
grant
equivalent
to
80
000
per
unit.
G
So
that
was
what
I
framed
with
my
client.
They
said
yeah
if
we
yeah.
If
we
can
get
a
luigi
grant
great
well,
the
city
council
changed
the
policy
from
10
to
20
percent.
In
the
meantime,
so
I
went
back
to
my
client,
I
said
you're
not
going
to
get
a
luigi
grant.
Can
you
still
do
10
percent
and
they
crunch
the
numbers
on
the
entire
site,
because
in
the
entire
project
has
to
make
economic
sense
to
get
financing
and
to
make
it
actually
work
or
it
won't
ever?
G
I've
never
seen
a
developer
do
that
without
any
help
without
a
housing,
trust
fund
grant
or
whatever,
but
they
were
prepared
to
do
that
and
then,
when
we
heard
it
at
planning
and
zoning,
they
said
you
know,
we
really
would
like
to
see
more
affordable
housing
and
in
our
conversations
with
with
each
of
you
you
ever
I
heard
over
and
over
again,
you
guys
have
got
to
get
more,
affordable
housing
in
this
development.
G
So
then
we
went
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
I
reached
out
to
paul,
I
said
paul.
I
want
to
circle
back
on
this
luigi
grant
like
would
we
qualify
for
if
we
just
look
at
the
new
buildings
you
know
before
with
cox's,
and
that
number
was
so
big
because
we're
looking
at
the
entire
site,
but
when
we
started
looking
at
it,
we
realized
we're
actually
we're
only
talking
about
where
the
new
residential
units
will
go,
not
the
for
sale
units
etc.
So
we
said
well,
okay,
what?
How
would
that
pencil
out?
G
G
Yeah
it's
way
lower
than
the
cap,
so
it's
not
insignificant,
but
it
but
enabled
us
to
go
all
the
way
up
to
20
percent
and
also
you
know
to
get
that
20
they've
got
to
accept
housing
vouchers
for
15,
which
is
which
is
also
significant.
So
that's
how
we
find
ourselves
here.
Councilwoman
smith-
and
you
know
the
on
its
merits.
G
We
qualify
this.
You
know
it
becomes
kind
of
a
partnership,
but
the
upside
is
the
city
gets.
You
know
not
actually
it's
32
units
because
of
the
two
for
sale,
but
there's
no
grant
on
that.
So
it's
it's
30
new
rental
units
at
at
a
relatively
low
cost.
By
comparison
to
the
only
other
project
I've
been
involved
in
which
was
considerably
more
so.
B
Now
that
collier
street
project
has
seen
some
delays
for
various
reasons
and
it's
not
moving
forward,
but
I
do
recall
that
talking
with
city
councilors
at
the
time,
because
it
was
a
different
council
that
that
was
partly
why
they
felt
okay
about
the
ten
percent,
so
it
is
worth
mentioning,
but
and
that
update
was
in
november
of
2019.
So
some
time
has
gone
by.
We
have
added
additional
restrictions
to
luigi.
I
am
actually
very
thankful
that
the
developer
is
even
looking
at
luigi.
Looking
at
20,
these
things
don't
always
come.
B
Naturally,
luigi
has
not
been
a
highly
used
policy.
That
said,
I
still
do
feel
that
there
is
an
ability
on
the
behalf
of
the
developer,
to
restrict
some
of
the
asheville
arms
and
I
will
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
land
use
incentive
grant
application
for
rcg
llc
101
charlotte
street,
with
the
following
condition.
B
Okay,
roll
call
vote
vice
mayor
smith,
no
councilwoman
mosley.
I
I
sage
turner.
The
motion
passes,
thank
you
and
we
will
now
close
down
item
number
four
janice.
Thank
you
for
your
legal
assistance.
We
very
clearly
needed
it.
Okay,
does
anyone
need
a
five
minute
break
or
anything
before
we
move
on
to
the
next
luigi?
All
right
here
we
go
item
number
five.
Thank
you
wyatt
for
being
here
number
five
66
longshoals.
B
B
This
is
also
a
non
qc
t,
qual
census
tract,
as
we
mentioned
earlier,
and
the
total
subsidy,
since
this
has
come
up.
The
luigi
policy
caps
at
eighty
eighty
thousand
dollars
per
unit
subsidy.
This
particular
subsidy
request
amounts
to
fifty
eight
thousand
per
unit,
so
well
under
the
cap
of
eighty
000.,
and,
let's
see
do
we
have
the
developer,
I
saw
them
earlier.
I
believe
it
was
another
andrew
yeah.
D
Anyone
with
millstone
management
here.
B
Thank
you
for
being
here
today.
All
right
have
my
colleagues
had
a
chance
to
review
this
luigi
request
and
are
there
any
comments
or
concerns
at
this
time.
B
B
B
B
A
B
B
A
A
B
B
Sounds
like
we're
having
some
technical
difficulties.
I
apologize
to
the
caller
if
you're
watching
and
can't
get
to
us,
we
don't
really
have
a
solution
when
it
continues
to
drop.
You
are
welcome
to
email
me
directly
at
sageturner
avlcouncil.com,
and
I
will
hear
your
concern
or
comment
and
respond
if
I
can.
B
Absolutely
I
would
great
point
okay,
I
think
that
is
all
we
have
today
and
we
are
adjourned.
Thank
you,
everyone
for
the
participation.
Today
it
was
a
complex
conversation.
We
did
a
great
job,
I'll,
see
you
all
soon.
Thank
you.