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From YouTube: Boards & Commissions Committee – August 22, 2023
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Regular meeting of the Asheville City Council's Boards & Commissions Committee.
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Participate before and during the meeting on our public engagement hub: https://publicinput.com/Y2675
B
Thank
you
good
morning,
I'm
vice
mayor
Phil,
Gore
and
I'm,
chair
of
the
board
of
commissions
committee
and
I'd,
like
to
welcome
you
all
to
the
August
22nd
remote
meeting.
All
our
council,
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
State.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
We
are
streaming
live
on
the
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
wink
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website.
B
B
855-925-2801
meeting
code
9478,
your
phone
will
be
muted
and
you
will
hear
the
meeting
live
at
this
point.
Speakers
will
need
to
push
star
3
to
enter
into
the
speaker,
Q
and
now
I'll
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
today.
Councilman
staff
as
I
call
your
name.
Please
say
a
quick
hello,
councilwoman
Antoinette
Mosley
good
morning,
councilwoman
Kim
Rooney
good
morning,
assistant
city
manager,
Ben
Woody
good
morning.
A
deputy
city
clerk
Sarah
gross.
B
We
also
have
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
candidates
who
will
be
introduced
themselves
in
in
the
in
their
interview,
and
we
have
a
Riverfront
development,
chair
and
staff
who
are
here
also
will
introduce
themselves
when
we
get
to
their
agenda
their
item
on
the
agenda.
B
Okay,
our
first
item
of
business
is
to
conduct
the
Planning
and
Zoning
interviews.
A
Planning
and
Zoning
review
text
for
proposed
amendments
to
the
unified
development
ordinance
and
to
hear
proposals
to
the
zone
are
a
change
of
the
zoning
properties.
Regulated
under
the
Udo
then
make
the
recommendations
to
city
council
for
final
review.
B
Today
the
committee
will
be
virtually
interviewing
seven
candidates
for
actually
six
clients.
B
Of
Miss
Rooney
councilwomani.
C
There's
a
question
about
order:
are
we
also
going
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
last
meeting.
B
Okay-
next,
yes,
okay,
yes,
okay
and
today's
virtually
six
candidates
for
four
seats
on
the
plan
and
zoning
and
one
of
those
seats.
Kimberly
Levi
is
eligible
and
interested
in
reappointment
and
remaining.
The
remaining
three
are
not
eligible
for
reappointment,
those
will
be
vacant
and
each
interview
will
be
eight
minutes.
Each
candidates,
please
refer
to
the
countdown
timer
displayed
in
the
virtual
meeting
room.
B
Appointments
will
be
made
during
the
evening
city
council
meeting
started
at
5
pm
today
and
you're
welcome
to
attend
or
watch
online,
and
before
we
get
ready
to
start
our
interview
with
our
candidates,
we'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
it's
been
approved
for
the
minutes
of
the.
B
B
A
So
before
we
begin
I'll
just
note
that
we
do
not
have
any
colors
in
the
in
the
public
comment
queue
right
now.
Thank.
B
And
if
there
are
no
more
objections,
we
will
begin
our
interview:
okay,
councilwoman
Antonette
Mosley.
This.
D
Is
a
moment
of
hand
raises
happen?
No
words,
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
moment
before
we
do
the
interview
process
to
kind
of
put
something
out
there
with
my
colleagues,
I
was
excited
to
review
all
of
the
applications.
I
am,
however,
a
bit
concerned
when
I
look
at
who
we're
losing
from
this
committee
and
the
potential
for
a
lack
of
diversity.
D
So,
with
that
in
mind
and
having
spoken
to
someone
who
currently
sits
on
P
and
z,
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
be
open
to
even
after
doing
the
interviews,
perhaps
not
making
all
of
the
selections
to
recommend
to
council
today
and
perhaps
old,
it
holds
applications
open
for
a
little
longer,
just
throwing
that
out
there
before
we
begin
the
process
and
then
I
suppose
we
can
talk
about
it
after
we
do
the
interviews
I'll.
C
Kim
really
is
I
support
that
request,
internet
and
I.
Also,
when
I
last
spoke
with
the
chair,
Joe
Archibald,
he
said
he
would
be
willing
to
stay
on
if
needed,
not
because
you
would
be
reappointed,
but
if
we
left
his
seat
open
while
we
re-advertised
if
needed.
That's
my
most
recent
understanding
and
I
know
it's
a
lot
to
ask
of
folks
who've
just
completed
two
full
terms,
but
that's
my
understanding.
C
B
Okay,
well,
basically,
I
am
in
an
agreement
with
this.
Also
because
I
am
concerned
of
about
not
having
more
diversity
on
the
board.
A
Trent
Hall,
it's
a
friend
of
mine
and
I,
was
really
looking
forward
to
hearing
what
he
had
to
say.
B
So
that
being
said,
I
guess,
what
we
will
do
is
the
process
would
be
I
would
like
to
sort
of
see
from
Kim
and
Antoinette,
like
you
were
saying
that
we
need
to
sort
of
delay
it
or
carry
on
with
the
interviews
we
have
now
but
delay
it
for
to
be
open
for
more
candidates.
Is
that
what
you're
saying.
D
Because,
ideally,
what
I
was
thinking
was
we
could
definitely
consider
re-appointing.
D
Him
and
then
maybe
make
a
recommendation
for
one
or
two,
but
it
would
be
up
to
you,
ladies,
but
I
definitely
don't
want
to
close
it
out
and
one
reason
I'm
thinking
that
is
literally
yesterday.
I
was
talking
to
someone
about
something
totally
different
and
he
brought
up
zoning
issues
and
I
was
kind
of
surprised.
I
was
like,
oh,
is
that
your
thing
and
he
was
like
yeah.
B
So
so
do
you
think
it's
possible
that
we
could
basically
hold
one
seat
open
and
Point
the
other
three,
but.
D
B
Number
in
mind,
so,
in
other
words,
what
we
could
do
is
go
ahead
and
listen
to
the
interviews
be
presented
to
council
and
then
also
give
them
the
request
that
we
would
like
to
you
know,
possibly
if
we
are
not
able
to
seek
everyone
that
we
could.
You
know
wholesome
seats
open
for
future.
That
was
the
process.
Okay,.
D
B
You
okay!
So
at
this
time,
what
we
like
to
do
is
our
first
candidate
interview
today
will
be
Mr,
Paul
Tay,
so
we'll
turn
it
over
to
Paul.
Thank
you.
E
Good
morning,
counselors
I'm
really
really
inspired
by
the
the
conversation
about
diversity
on
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board,
just
to
put
it
out
there,
I
am
Chinese
American
I
grew
up
in
Tulsa
Oklahoma
in
the
midwest
I've
been
in
America
since
1971.,
so
I'm,
very
aware
of
what
Planning
and
Zoning
has
done
to
persons
of
color
in
that
it
actually
separated
those
folks
from
the
rest
of
America,
so
I
I'm,
I'm
interested
in
being
on
the
planning
on
the
zoning
Commission,
because
it's
one
of
those
issues.
E
That
is
a
far-reaching
issue
that
nobody,
the
general
public,
really
doesn't
think
about
in
terms
of
how
it
separates
Americans
from
other
Americans
and
the
historical
history
of
Zone,
Planning
and
Zoning
was
really
to
separate
black
people
from
white
Americans
really
and
that's
something
that
hasn't
really
been
addressed
in
in
the
mainstream
area
and
I
would
like
to
be
on
the
planning
zoning
commission
as
a
chinese-american,
because
the
Asian-American
voice
has
not
been
heard
as
much
in
in
these
policy
situations.
E
E
To
do
immigration
law
in
in
relation
to
all
the
Asylum
cases
that's
coming
up
and
in
the
meantime,
I
would
like
to
be
in
the
planning
zone,
income,
commission
or
the
city
of
Asheville,
specifically
because
this
this
very
cognizant
very
this
intense
recognition
of
diversity
on
planning
zone
information.
Historically,
the
planning
zoning
commission
has
not
been
diverse.
E
It's
been
held
by
a
small
group
of
of
folks
that
has
been
in
power
since
1776,
and
the
Constitution
was
written
by
Property
Owners
for
property
owners
and
as
a
as
a
practitioner
in
the
Constitutional
law,
I
see
that
Constitution
is
a
bit
flawed
in
that
the
Constitution
does
not
address
human
rights
as
much
as
property
rights.
So
we
need
to
look
at
planning
and
zoning
commission
as
it
relates
to
property
rights
to
incorporating
some
of
the
human
rights
aspects
of
the
issue.
That's
the
soft.
E
You
know
the
software
part
of
it,
the
soft
core.
You
know
we
have
the
you
know
the
hardware
part
of
it.
You
know
we
have
planning,
we
have,
you
know
permits
and
so
forth,
but
we
need
to
look
at
some
of
the
soft
soft
issues.
The
human
issues
really.
My
vision
in
in
in
the
planning
zoning
commission
is
that
we
need
to
do
Planning
and
Zoning
to
to
really
promote.
E
What's
around
us
to
promote
industry,
that's
happening
all
around
us
and
that
industry
is
tourism.
We
need
to
do
Planning
and
Zoning
so
that
it
brings
people
together.
First
of
all,
the
American
program
is
like
this:
it's
real,
simple
look
at
no
one
in
the
eye.
Don't
talk
to
anybody
and
trust.
No
one
and
I
believe
that
Asheville
needs
to
do
a
the
counter-american
program.
Look
at
everybody
in
the
eye,
trust
everybody
until
they
act
differently
and
speak
to
everybody
and
let's
bring
Americans
together
here
in
Nashville
planning.
E
A
zoning
commission
can
be
an
integral
part.
It's
an
important
part
of
actually
doing
Asheville,
like
no
other
American
city
has
ever
done
before
we
need.
We
need
to
give
tourists
a
place
to
come
to
where
it's
nothing
like
where
they
are
I,
see
a
lot
of
tourists
coming
in
from
Chicago,
and
they
come
here
for
the
nature.
They
come
here
for
the
for
the
people,
for
the
connections
that
they
make
international
and
we
need
to
really
leverage
that
feeling
already
on
the
ground
right
now
to
promote.
E
What's
hap,
what's
going
what's
happening
right
now,
is
tourism,
tourism,
tourism
and,
what's
going
to
be
happening
in
the
near
future,
which
is
autonomous,
driverless
vehicles,
I,
believe
that
planning
zone
in
commission
can
be
used
to
do
the
tourism,
the
tourism
business,
like
it's,
never
been
done
before
in
anywhere
in
America.
We
need
to
really
promote
what
we
have
right
here,
a
great
diverse
tourist
industry.
We
need
to
look
at
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
future
in
terms
of
Transportation.
E
Transportation
I
have
a
background
in
transportation,
as
I
was
the
first
city
of
LA's
bicycle
Transportation
manager,
managing
a
50
million
dollar
budget
in
a
in
a
you
know,
two
billion
dollar
Transportation
budget
in
La
as
a
bicycle,
doing
bicycle
pedestrian
projects,
so
I
see
that
the
planning
zoning
Commission
can
set
public
policy
to
really
do
Asheville,
like
it's
never
been
done
before.
Tourism,
like
has
never
been
done
before.
Let's
give
the
tourists
something
they've,
never
seen
in
their
own
town
or
anywhere
in
America.
E
So
we
need
to
look
at
the
some
some
some
rethinking
about
how
we
do
comprehensive
planning.
We
do
land
use
planning
and
certainly
my
favorite
subject-
is
the
minimum
parking
requirements.
We
need
to
look
at
these
large
Mall
parkings
as
possible
housing
as
as
mixed
use,
I'm
really
inspired
by
what
happened
down
at
the
I
guess
the
Biltmore
Estates
near
you
know
I-26
and
146,
where
there
are
people
living
in
a
shopping
mall.
E
That
is.
That
is
something
like
you
know,.
F
E
Out
of
L.A
I
was
telling
the
lady
out
there.
That's
so
that's
so
la
ish.
So,
let's,
let's
you
know,
let's
build
on
that.
Let's
build
on
what
we
have
is
the
tourism
industry.
That's
really
pumping
the
economy
here,
I
like
to
say
you
know
some
of
the
comments
that
I've
seen
lately
where
the
tourism
is
down
and
we're.
We
have
a
lot
of
folks
blaming
the
homeless
and
poverty
issues.
E
The
homeless
people
in
the
poverty
issue
are
not
the
problem.
It's
just
simply
the
symptom
of
a
larger
issue.
Panhandlers
are
not
the
problem
for
the
doubt
for
the
downturn
in
tourism.
What
what?
What
really
is
happening,
I
believe,
is
tourist
expectations,
the
market
expectations
of
what
we
expect,
what
they
expect
of
what
where
they
want
to
go
to.
So
we
need
to
look
at
that
town
turn
as
a
possible
opportunity.
It's
a
great
opportunity
for
reset
on
how
we
do
Planning
and
Zoning
to
support
that
industry
to
meet
to
meet
Market
expectations.
C
Sorry
I
know
we're
almost
out
of
time,
but
I
have
one
question
that
I'm
asking
each
of
the
candidates
and
that's
our
strategic
priorities
adopted
in
this
year's
budget,
included
some
directions
around
revision
of
our
unified
development
ordinance.
What
are
some
Creative
Solutions?
You
suggest
for
planning
zoning
we
face
and
how
can
they
help
us
meet
our
strategic
priorities
like
housing,
core
Services,
reparation
climate,
neighborhood
resiliency,
and
what
would
be
the
barriers
of
implementing
your
suggestion?
Or
can
we
do
it
today?.
E
We
could
do
it
today
right
here.
We
need
a
policy
change
to
number
one:
get
rid
of
the
minimum
parking
requirements.
That's
happening,
that's
that's!
That's
not
a
new
thing
at
all.
That
is,
that
is
so
easy.
Once
we
get
rid
of
the
minimum
parking
requirements
for
all
these,
you
know
quality
for
the
future
development.
It's
going
to
open
up
a
lot
of
opportunities
for
housing
for
affordable
housing.
E
If
you
look
at
you
know,
I
I,
you
know
Asheville
outlet,
mall,
there's
like
Acres
of
ice
fall
out
there
and
what
do
I
see
when
I
see
that
I
see
housing
I,
see
mixed
use,
development
I
see,
you
know,
walk
in
and
and
bicycling
opportunities.
E
So
the
very
first
thing
that
we
could
do
without
a
whole
lot
of
effort.
It's
been
done.
It's
happening
across
the
country
right
now
is
get
rid
of
the
minimum
parking
requirements.
Let
the
market
decide
how
much
parking
we
need.
Thank.
A
B
Wait
one
minute
Sarah
before
you
start
the
timer,
maybe
I
was
just
wondering:
I
saw
what
the
two-minute
warning
would
come
up
for
the
interviews.
Maybe
we
could
ask
the
candidates
to
stop
around
that
time.
So
we'll
have
two
minutes.
Maybe
to
ask
questions.
B
So
with
that
is
that
okay,
Scott.
D
Well,
I'll
go
ahead
and
ask
you
a
first
question
because
Kim's
question
was
actually
my
question:
Scott,
can
you
go
ahead
and
just
give
us
a
brief
idea
of
why
you
want
to
be
on
the
planning
and
zoning.
H
Well,
I
just
moved
here
recently
over
the
last
six
months
and
I'm
recovering
local
government
administrator
and
I
thought.
It
would
be
a
good
idea
to
jump
right
in
and
get
involved
as
quickly
as
possible
and
lend
a
fresh
perspective
to
what's
going
on
in
Asheville,
and
my
background
in
local
government
is
mostly
related
to
projects
management,
analyst
analysis
and
budget
and
finance.
H
So
could
you
bring
up
pretty
good
and
Blended
skill
set
that
could
help
out
the
Planning
Commission
make
some
decisions
and
my
background
and
our
degree
is
in
political
science.
So
I
always
tend
to
nerd
nerd
out
on
stuff,
like
this,
so
I
welcome
the
opportunity
to
contribute
to
my
new
community
and
look
forward
to
helping
out.
However,
I
can.
D
Okay,
I
can
ask
you
another
one:
what
tools
does
Asheville
need
to
explore
to
balance
growth
with
the
desires
of
folks
living
in
neighborhoods.
H
I
think
looking
at
more
mixed-use
development
would
be
helpful
and
maybe
moving
away
from
the
single
family
home
model
and
allowing
to
have
more
units
on
one
piece
of
property
than
just
a
single
family.
Home
I
know
in
other
cities,
they've
explored
that
and
it
also
provides
more
community
and
I.
Think
you
know
improving
upon
Trail
networks,
and
you
know
just
improving
over
overall
quality
of
life,
Avenues
or
Community
I
think
will
be
greatly
helpful.
C
C
This
question
has
three
parts:
three
layers:
if
you
will,
what
are
some
Creative
Solutions,
you
suggest
for
zoning
challenges
we
face
like
housing,
climate
change
mitigation.
Two
is
how
zoning
can
help
us
meet
our
strategic
priorities,
things
like
housing,
core
Services
reparations
community
and
neighborhood
resiliency,
and
then
what
are
the
barriers
to
the
implementation
of
your
suggestion?
Or
could
we
do
it
today.
H
Well,
I
I
I'll
tell
you
right
now:
I'm
pretty
near
the
community,
so
I,
don't
know
all
the
facts
and
figures.
What's
going
on
I'm
learning
every
day
and
I
think
it
would
be
valuable
to
have
a
fresh
perspective
on
this
commission
to
look
at
things
differently,
and
you
know
my
experience
in
local
government
with
within
Colorado
I
know
in
a
lot
of
the
resort
communities,
especially
where
I
worked
with
in
Pagosa
Springs.
H
That
was
always
a
challenge
in
terms
of
trying
to
figure
out
Workforce,
housing
and
I
know
a
lot
of
Resort
towns
in
Colorado
have
kind
of
looked
at
like
a
almost
a
dorm
scenario
for
most
of
their
key
workers
like
teachers,
firefighters,
police
officers,
I
think
we
could
expand
upon
that
and
look
at
how
we
can
maybe
house
the
segments
like
the
service
industry
I.
Think
if
we
stabilize
all
three
or
four
of
those
areas,
I
think
we
have
a
better
chance
of
developing.
H
You
know
more
affordable
opt-ins
for
people
and
then
maybe
look
at
the
middle
housing
segments
as
well.
That
takes
time
and
a
lot
of
the
federal
programs
that
I'm
aware
of
they.
They
have
you
know
too
many
stipulations
for
people
that
can
utilize
them,
and
so
Asheville
is
going
to
have
to
get
more
creative
about
thinking
outside
the
box
to
fulfill
those
middle
housing
and
those
stabilization
opportunities.
It
might
not
be
based
off
income,
it
might
just
be
based
off.
H
You
know,
other
factors
that
you
guys
need
to
create,
or
the
Planning
Commission
creates,
because
the
number
of
housing
units
that
those
federal
and
state
programs
provide
are
not
enough.
It's
a
small
dent
in
terms
of
the
overall
need,
especially
here
in
Asheville,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
Best
Practices
across
the
country,
not
just
North
Carolina,
and
that's
something
I'm
used
to
doing
in
regards
to
looking
at
new
Solutions
and
programming
and
trying
to
find
best
practices.
So.
B
And
that
sort
of
gives
a
segue
into
my
question.
Basically,
what
have
been
what
ideas
or
suggestions
would
you
have
to
it
to
actually
increase
how
affordable
housing
options
here
in
Asheville?
B
So
you
sort
of
actually
talked
about
that
to
some
degree,
which
I
greatly
appreciate
and
I
realize
in
Colorado,
where
you
have
more
of
a
land
base,
whereas
with
here
we're
more
constricted
because
of
our
geography
here
so
and
I'm
just
wondering
when
you
talked
about
the
the
options
for
affordable
housing,
could
you
give
us
any
other
ideas
or
suggestions
that
you
may
have
that
you
think
would
actually
help
I
I
listened
to
some
of
the
ones
that
you've
seen
the
best
practices
of
different
things
they're
doing
as
far
as
the
dormitories
and
things
of
that
nature,
do
you
have
any
suggestions
on
your
own
after
being
here
for
a
while
that
you
think
would
actually
help.
H
I
think
it
would
be
cool
to
see
you
know
like
artists
campuses,
where
it'd
be
a
mixed-use
development,
where
the
shops
and
studios
are
on
the
single
floor,
the
first
floor
and
then
allow
residents
and
offices
to
be
on
second
and
third
floor.
You
don't
want
to
take
away
from
the
overall
views
that
people
have
in
and
around
Asheville,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know,
building
up
is
probably
going
to
be
one
of
your.
H
You
know
fewer
options
available
if
you
want
to
spend
a
bunch
of
money
on
doing
site,
work
go
for
it,
but
the
I
think
you're
going
to
get
better
bang
for
your
buck.
If
you
build
up
and
create
a
mixed
environment
in
terms
of
the
solution
that
you're
providing
and
whether
the
Studios
or
shops
subsidize
the
housing
on
top.
That
being
you
unique
way
to
go
about
it
as
well,.
G
G
G
A
Right
and
our
next
candidate
is
Andrew
Fletcher,
who
is
actually
filling
the
space
for
Trent
Hall,
so
that
will
be
our
third
candidate,
Mr
Andrew,
Fletcher
and
I
will
go
ahead.
I
see
you,
there
start
the
timer
now.
F
Good
morning,
chair,
Kilgore,
council
members,
Mosley
and
Roney,
you
guys
hear
me
okay,
great,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
interview
for
this
position:
I,
I'm,
rolling
off
of
downtown
commission
and
public
art
and
cultural
commission.
F
So
I've
got
some
room
on
my
dance
card
right
now
to
continue
my
service
in
my
time
at
the
downtown
commission,
serving
as
both
an
interim
chair
and
a
vice
chair,
currently
I
have
reviewed
dozens
and
dozens
of
projects
and
seen
again
and
again
where
our
outdated
Udo
has
led
to
well.
Let's
be
charitable
sub
optimal
results
in
many
many
cases
in
downtown,
so
it
was
with
some
a
great
excitement
that
I
saw
that
Udo
revision
is
on.
F
The
is
is
on
the
Strategic
plan
now
at
the
council
level,
because
it's
something
that
I
think
we've
needed
for
a
very
long
time.
F
You
know
all
the
our
built
environment
is
has
been
created
legally
and
are
those
the
problems
that
we
have
the
Legacy
problems
that
we
have
from
the
from
our
built
environment,
whether
they
be
issues
from
redlining
issues
of
segregation.
All
these
things,
these
all
had
legal
Origins
and
changing
the
laws
and
rules
around
the
Udo
at
this
time.
F
I
think
it's
it's
well
past
time
that
we
have
a
full
look
at
this,
and
so
that
was
added
to
your
strategic
plan
after
I
had
put
in
my
my
application
and
so
I
was
very
excited.
This
will
be
a
very
influential
time
to
be
on
Planning
and
Zoning,
because
you
know
a
lot
of
these
reviews.
You're
sort
of
one
step
on
a
conveyor
belt
of
projects
and
changing
the
nature
of
that
conveyor
belt
is
what
we're
looking
at
right
now
and
I.
F
This
is
a
very
exciting
time
to
do
that,
so
there's
a
many
many
opportunities
for
revision
of
the
Udo
in
ways
that
can
foster
Equitable
growth
in
our
community
that
what
we
can
really
take
it.
This
is
a
really
wonderful
opportunity
for
that.
My
history
and
qualifications.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
boards
and
commissions
I,
think
that
you
know
it's
his
your
history
and
qualifications,
don't
matter
as
much!
F
It
is
much
more
about
getting
a
lot
of
voices
in
this
one,
though
there's
highly
technical,
legal
things,
quasi-judicial
hearings
that
occasionally
have
to
happen
and
experience
matters,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I
bring
to
this
position.
So
not
only
have
I
have
served
for
over
six
years
on
two
boards
and
commissions,
with
the
city
function
as
a
leader.
F
I've
also
dealt
with
one
of
the
most
difficult
land
use
controversies
in
Asheville,
and
that
is
the
Haywood
page
site,
AKA
pit
of
despair,
and
that
was
a
very
difficult
Community
conversation
about
the
future
of
a
city-owned
piece
of
land,
and
it
was
my
privilege
to
serve
as
chair
of
that
body
and
to
Shepherd
a
unanimous
decision
to
counsel
where
it
was
where
it
was
accepted
by
Council.
F
So
from
the
so
when
it,
you
know
when
it
gets
tough,
I
show
up
and
I
can
bring
people
together
with
different
opinions
and
try
to
get
the
best
result
for
this
city.
I
also
know
that
in
development
things
don't
get
built
if
there
is
not
a
a
private
benefit.
F
That
doesn't
mean
that
we
can't
get
public
benefit
out
of
out
of
these
developments,
and
so
I
see
the
role
of
a
public
body
of
publicans
of
Planning
and
Zoning
to
really
ensure
that
we
are
getting
a
built
environment
that
addresses
our
needs
of
the
future,
but
we're
also
maximizing
the
public
benefits
that
the
city
can
get
as
a
partner
as
a
land
use
decision
body
and
trying
to
really
at
planning
zoning
set
up
you
on
Council
to
have
things
to
that.
F
You
can
really
feel
good
about
voting
for
because
we've
improved
them
along
the
way
in
the
process
before
they
get
to
you
or,
if
we're
the
last
stop
in
the
review
process,
making
sure
that
they
are
the
best
possible
use
and
to
do
that
historically,
I've
used.
No
because
I
know
that
rarely
can
you
really
stop
projects
during
this
review
project
during
the
review
process.
F
My
intention
in
when
I
use
my
no
is
to
improve
it
and
I've
been
successful
in
some
of
those
ways.
I've
made
contributions
already
in
my
past
with
two
chapter:
seven
of
the
of
city
code
and
so
I
in
reviewing
for
this
I
was
going
through
chapter
seven
I
said:
oh
yeah
I
did
that
I'm
I'm
proud
of
that
change.
F
That's
a
positive
change,
I
believe
for
our
community
and
so
I
I
would
like
to
continue
that
work
at
the
Planning
and
Zoning
level
and
chair
Kilgore
I
know
that's
your
old
seat,
so
you've
probably
have
have
some
feelings
about
your
vision
for
the
city,
and
you
know:
I'm
I
I
really
look
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you
and
in
a
in
a
Cooperative
way,
and
you
know
getting
some
of
those
getting
some
of
those
really
needed
changes
to
are
what
is
an
outdated
code
at
this
point
and.
B
Mr
French
just
want
to
ask
you
a
question
it.
What
could
expect
Forest
revisions
in
the
Udo?
What
could
we
actually
do
to
actually
help
increase,
affordable
housing?
What
what
do
you
think
we
can
revise
to
sort
of
address
that
so.
F
In
the
that's
a
great
question,
and
obviously
something
that
you
know
we
we
need
to
get
working
on
yesterday
and
so
first
off,
it's
rare
that
you
see
help
from
the
state
in
this
matter,
but
we
just
did
get
some.
The
state
legislature
just
passed.
F
Some
changes
to
the
building
codes
that
are
going
to
make
our
approach
to
the
missing
middle
easier
to
accomplish
by
having
some
more
realistic
building
codes
around
triplexes
and
quadruplexes,
and
so
when
we're
looking
at
missing
middle
stuff
right
now
that
just
got
easier
thanks
to
Raleigh
and
that's
a
rare
thing
to
be
able
to
say
at
the
at
the
local
government
level
in
North
Carolina.
Another
is
you
know,
I
I've
heard
others
say
it.
The
parking
minimum
issue
parking
minimum
issue
is
a
peat.
F
Is
a
cars
before
people
approach
and
I
take
the
people
before
cars
approach.
You
know
we're
trying
to
make
a
a
human-sized.
City,
not
a
car-sized
city
and
I,
also
know
that
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
have
our
goals
of
a
livable,
and
you
know
a
great
environment.
If
we
don't
look
at
density,
but
I
also
think
that
we
need
to
look
at
incremental
growth.
F
D
When
you
mentioned
how
a
lot
of
things
that
were
law
led
to
unintended
and
perhaps
intended
consequences,
you
mentioned
redlining-
and
you
mentioned
an
emphasis
for
Equitable
changes.
D
F
The
at
the
Udo
level,
I
believe
it
can
be
difficult
to
draw
those
types
of
lines.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
policies
that
could
be
done
in
conjunction
with
changes,
I,
don't
so,
if
you're
making
a
change
to
a
zoning
code,
you
know
that
there's
going
to
be
more
density,
there
has
to
be
parallel.
Changes
that
try
to
keep
people
in
their
homes
an
anti-gentrification.
F
Yes,
being
able
to
Supply
credit
lines
to
to
neighborhoods
tax
rebates,
as
the
value
of
land
goes
up,
supplying
tax
rebates
to
eligible
homeowners
and
in
vulnerable
neighborhoods.
The
city's
already
started
on
that
I
think
that
program
could
help
so
a
lot
of
the
changes
that
could
be
done.
They
need
to
be
paired
with
other
policies
that
mitigate
what
we
know
are
downsides
of
overall
positive
changes
so.
I
Thanks:
wonderful
to
see
you
all,
council
members
and
staff,
thanks
for
the
chance
to
interview
for
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
I
I
have
been
in
Nashville
since
2011
and
I've
been
working
for
Mountain
crew,
which
is
an
environmental
advocacy
Organization
for
the
last
seven
years,
and
I've
recently
moved
into
a
role
as
our
housing
and
transportation
director,
and
so
in
my
time
in
this
organization
have
been
learning
a
lot
about
what
makes
a
community
healthy
and
how
we
can,
how
we
can
grow
sustainably
and
how
the
the
built
environment
has
impacts.
I
Inevitably
on
the
natural
environment,
and
so
I
would
just
say.
I've
I've,
learned
a
lot
and
and
committed
to
Asheville
and
have
been
for
many
years
so
would
be
interested
and
excited
to
serve
in
a
role
like
being
on
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission.
That
does
seem
to
have
a
lot
of
influence
on
how
the
built
environment
continues
to
grow,
for
our
community
yeah
and
and
see,
see
how
I
can
be
effective
in
that
role
of
considering
and
balancing
different
priorities
and
concerns
to
try
and
address
the
in
particular.
I
The
housing
crisis
that
we
face
is
one
of
the
biggest
priorities
that
I
see,
but
recognizing
that
there
are
other
competing
and
conflicting
needs
and
concerns
that
that
are
inevitably
have
to
be
weighed
in
trying
to
create
enough
housing
to
provide
what
we
need
so
I
would
I'll
leave
it
at
that
and
open
it
up
to
your
questions.
Okay,
well,
first.
B
Of
all
I'd
like
to
thank
you
very
much,
Ms
Spain
for
actually
applying
for
this
position.
I.
The
one
question
that
I
have,
of
course,
is
I'm,
always
concerned
about
the
affordability
factor,
and,
and
do
you
have
any
ideas
of
whatever
that
could
help
increase
a
political
housing
in
this
area
that
we
are
not
taking
advantage
of.
I
We
need
more
stock
and
I
think
growing
in
and
up
given
what
you
mentioned
earlier,
the
challenges
of
our
topography
will
help
create
more
more
housing
options
for
people
and
alongside
that,
I
think
this
is
an
idea
that
wouldn't
wouldn't
be
something
that
would
come
through
Planning
and
Zoning,
but
I
was
meeting
with
Greg
Borum
recently
and
he
was
talking
about
how
if
the
city
could
actually
shift
away
from
incentivizing
Luigi
grants
and
applications
and
instead
rely
more
on
housing
vouchers.
I
That
would
be
an
interesting
way
to
pull
down
more
federal
dollars
to
free
up
city
tax
dollars.
That
wouldn't
be,
you
know,
leveraging
developers
to
create
affordable
housing,
but
instead
we
could
rely
on
that
Federal
funding
stream
to
again
use
city
tax
dollars
for
other
things
and
so
I
think
there's
a
multiple
variety
of
ways.
B
And
that's
a
great
Point,
Susan
and
I
appreciate
that
about
the
housing
vouchers.
However,
how
could
we
actually
get
the
community
to
buy
in?
Because
the
thing
is
with
housing
vouchers
who
can
get
as
many
as
you
want,
but
if
you're
not
you're,
not
able
to
get
the
people
to
buy
and
to
accept
them,
then
we're
just
send
them
back
to
the
state.
So,
basically
do
you
have
any
ideas
as
far
as
Improvement
on
that.
I
Yeah,
that
is
a
great
Point
and
in
my
role
about
Drew,
we
are
working
on
trying
to
change,
hearts
and
Minds,
basically
about
about
density
and
affordable
housing
and
help
people
understand
the
need
that
is
out
there
and
how
we,
as
a
community,
can
rally
to
support
that,
and
part
of
that
can
be
overcoming
the
stigmas
that
exist
around
housing
vouchers
and
accepting
housing,
Choice
vouchers.
I
But
I
would
say
this
this
tool
that
Greg
was
talking
about,
whereas
where
the
city
and
perhaps
Planning
and
Zoning
as
well,
have
the
ability
to
kind
of
Leverage
and
push
on
developers
of
individual
projects
to
either
dedicate
a
set
number
of
units
to
being
maximum
Ami
dedicated
or
to
accepting
housing.
Choice
vouchers
by
pushing
those
developers
to
include
a
higher
set
of
voucher
dedicated
units,
rather
than
some
of
the
the
lower
Ami
cap
requirements.
That
would,
interestingly,
you
know
again
free
up
the
city
city
dollars.
I
But
it
would
also
then
allow
people
who
are
currently
in
public
housing
to
move
out
of
public
housing
and
into
new
developments,
which
would
then
open
up
space
within
the
the
public
housing
projects.
For
for
new
folks
to
get
into
that,
that's
pipeline,
so
I
think
yeah
there.
There
is
stigma,
but
I'm
hopeful
that
there
can
be
some
levers
that
the
city
and
planning
and
zoning
could
could
push
developers
to
accept
more
of
those.
D
Yes,
almost
as
if
you
and
Greg
were
watching
yesterday's
hcd
meeting,
but
so
I
appreciate
everything
you
just
said:
I'm
gonna
ask
a
question
that
I
asked
before
what
tools
does
Asheville
need
to
explore
to
balance
growth
with
what
established
neighborhoods
want
or
say
they
need,
and
how
do
you
change
Minds
if
those
two
things
are
different.
I
Yeah
I
think
that's
a
great
question
and
I
do
not
have
a
brilliant
answer
to
that
question.
To
be
honest,
I
do
think
the
Emma
Community
has
done
some
great
work
on
tools
that
can
can
help
address
anti-displacement
issues
and
one
of
those
things
that
could
be
the
city
could
make
an
anti-displacement
resolution
could
commit
to
that
and
then
brainstorm
and
create
strategies
to
allow
people
to
stay
in
their
homes
and
alongside
gentrification.
I
That
we
know
is
inevitable
because
we
don't
want
communities
to
be
disinvested
in
either
and
we
need
to
continue
to
improve
infrastructure.
For
you
know,
Legacy
neighborhoods,
then
that
will
then
increase
the
desirability
of
those
neighborhoods,
but
we
want
to
have
protections
for
those
those
existing
homeowners
and
residents
to
stay
in
place.
So
what
those
tools
are
I
I
don't
have
the
right
answer
for
that.
But
I
would
love
to
look
into
that
and.
D
B
C
C
What
are
some
of
the
Creative
Solutions
you
suggest
for
zoning
challenges
we
face
around
affordable
housing,
climate
change
mitigation
Etc.
How
can
zoning
help
us
meet
those
challenges
through
our
strategic
priorities,
to
address
things
like
core
Services
reparations
climate
resiliency,
and
then
what
are
the
barriers
to
those
solutions
that
you
have
or
could
we
do
them
today?.
I
Yeah
I
think
looking
at
the
code
to
find
barriers
to
density
is,
is
a
big
one
for
me,
things
like
reducing
or
removing
minimum
lot
sizes
allowing
things
like
duplexes,
triplexes,
quad
plexes
on
what
currently
are
zoned
as
single
family
lots.
I
Those
are
some
changes
that
we
could
look
at,
but
I
think
the
the
challenge
is
that
folks
in
our
community,
existing
residents
are
I,
think
it's
just
natural
and
human
to
resist
changes
like
that
and
our
government
has
for
decades
pitched
the
single
family
home
with
your
your
postage
lot
and
your
picket
fence
as
sort
of
the
the
ideal
and
and
you
have
made
it
in
life
and
you're,
successful
and
and
so
changing
some
framing
around
allowing
density
and
duplexes
and
triplexes
into
existing
neighborhoods
and
seeing
that
as
a
good
thing
that
can
help
affordability
and
can
help
our
community
in
other
ways
is
an
important
mental
shift
that
we
all
need
to
be
helping.
A
J
Hi
good
morning,
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
apply
for
the
planning
board.
My
name
is
David
Moritz
and
I'm.
A
local
developer
I've
been
here
for
10
years
and
prior
to
that,
I've
been
working
in
the
real
estate
sector
for
15
years,
both
in
the
financing
and
construction
I'm
excited
to
be
a
part
of
the
board,
I'd
like
to
get
more
involved
in
Asheville
decision
making
and
I.
Think
I
can
bring
a
lot
of
experience
to
the
board
different
perspective.
I'm
very
committed
to
the
city.
J
I
have
a
vested
interest
in
the
city,
and
one
of
the
Hot
Topics
is
obviously
the
affordability
of
housing
is
something
that's
very
important
to
me,
as
well
as
climate
change
and
I'm
trying
to
work
towards
finding
some
solutions
directly
working
on
trying
to
build
some
micro
Apartments,
which
I
think
is
a
different
type
of
project.
The
city
hasn't
seen,
which
will
bring
lower
priced
housing
to
downtown
I.
J
Think
some
of
the
important
issues
to
me
are,
you
know,
obviously,
affordable
housing,
also
walkability
livability
and
trying
to
be
the
most
efficient
with
the
land
that
we
have
as
I
had
heard.
Councilwoman
killed
were
mentioned.
We
are
land
constrained,
so
I
think
it's
critically
important
that
we
think
very
carefully
about
the
land
that
we
have
available
and
then,
at
the
same
time,
a
lot
of
our
land
has
been
allocated
to
single
family
due
to
a
history
of
throughout
the
country
of
segregation
and
poor
past
planning.
J
You
know,
thinking
that
we
had
unlimited
land
and
and
and
so
important
decisions
have
been
made
in
in
the
past,
with
respect
to
highways,
and
things
like
that.
That
I
think
it's
important
that
we
address
as
soon
as
possible
and
so
I'd
be
very
interested
to
join
the
the
Planning
Commission
and
I'll
open
it
up
or
I'd,
be
happy
to
answer
questions
and.
B
D
Okay
sure
I'll
go
when
you
look
at
our
Udo
and
you
I
believe
you
started
to
touch
on
this
in
your
opening.
What
specific
measures
do
you
believe
are
barriers
to
growth
in
Asheville?
D
In
other
words,
what
in
our
Udo
prevents
growth,
and
can
you
propose
some
changes.
J
Yes,
I
mean
the
overall
problem
with
our
Udo
is
that
besides
the
downtown
core
area,
we
have
a
Suburban
zoning
and
that's
something
that
has
been
done
historically
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
including
segregation,
an
urban
flight
to
Suburbia,
and
so
we
still
have
significant
portions
of
our
city
limits
that
are
zoned
for
Suburban
living.
That
is
basically
a
small
building
with
a
giant
parking
lot
which
is
done
to
make
it
convenient
for
people
that
live
in
the
suburbs.
J
My
personal
view
is,
we
have
to
we
have
no
choice
but
to
densify
and
to
create
a
dense,
walkable,
City
and
that's
possible
in
downtown.
The
the
zoning
there
is
is
fine,
I
think
where
we
need
to
prioritize
zoning
changes
are
on
the
corridors
of
the
city
and
primarily
along
the
bus
corridors.
I
mean
we
have
public
transit
already,
and
those
where
the
public
transit
currently
is
is
where
we
need
to
build
density.
So
for
me
that
would
be
Merriman
that
would
be
Broadway.
That
would
be
Hendersonville
Road.
J
That
would
be
patent
patent,
so
it's
not
so
bad
McDowell,
in
particular,
I
mean
we
have.
We
have
a
part
part
of
a
street
like
McDowell
that
is
walkable
to
the
city,
but
is
currently
zoned.
You
can't
build
really
any
housing
there,
which
is
shocking,
because
you
could
build
significant
housing
there
and
understand
that
part
of
this
part
of
the
street
you
know
joins
some
single-family
neighborhoods,
but
the
other
side
of
the
street
doesn't
about
it
against
anything
and
the
same
for
for
Merriman
I
mean
I'm,
particularly
I.
J
Think
Merriman
as
a
corridor
could
support
housing.
So
that's
a
way.
We
could
support
some
density
without
disturbing
many
of
the
existing
neighborhoods,
which
I
think
can
be
challenging.
Where
you
have
you
know
you
have
some
single
family
zoning
neighborhoods,
where,
if
you
change
the
zoning
there
I
don't
think
a
lot
will
be
get
accomplished,
I'm,
not
exactly
sure,
but
on
the
corridors
where
you
have
Transit
I
think
we
need
to
add
more
density,
particularly
close
to
the
city.
J
D
I'm
glad
you
mentioned
mayorman,
because
that
actually
goes
into
my
other
question.
I
worked
for
an
organization
that
provided
or
built,
affordable
housing
on
Theremin
and
the
pushback
was
intense.
D
J
J
The
the
issue
is
that
you
know
Asheville's
is
going
to
continue
to
grow
and
we
need
to
meet
that
growth
and
so
I
think
we
have
to
do
what's
best
for
the
community
and
in
some
cases
that
requires
doing
things
that
a
particular
neighborhood
doesn't
want.
I
think
it's
just
the
the
hard
truth
I
mean,
for
example,
I
I
I,
believe
in
community
input.
I
think
it's
very
important,
but
I
think
there's
also
a
limit
to
it,
for
example
on
Charlotte
Street.
J
If
you
ask
the
Charlotte
Street
neighborhood
what
they
wanted,
they
would
gate
the
entire
North
Asheville
Charlotte
Area.
They
would
put
a
gate
on
Charlotte
Street,
so
sometimes
neighborhoods
are
only
interested
in
their
particular
need
and-
and
it
can
go
too
far,
I
think
as
city
council
and
as
planning
board.
We
have
to
do
what
we
think
is
best
for
the
entire
Community.
J
Clearly
that
will
involve
neighborhood
input
listening
to
them,
but
I
think
we
also
it
also
require,
is
some
pushback.
In
terms
of
you
know,
every
neighbor
is
always
going
to
say
traffic
they're,
always
going
to
say
mention
certain.
You
know,
you
know
words
that
I
think
we
need
to
go
back
with
real
data
like,
for
example,
on
the
Larchmont
property
people.
You
know
mention
all
sorts
of
things
like
traffic,
but
the
truth
is
a
lot
of
you
know:
apartment
projects
don't
create
the
traffic
people
think
it
does.
J
A
lot
of
the
traffic
is
through
traffic,
I
mean
a
Burger.
King
is
going
to
get
a
lot
more
traffic
than
apartment
building
and
so
I
think
it's.
We
have
to
make
some
hard
choices,
but
we
ultimately
we
have
to
do
what's
best
for
the
community,
because
if
we
don't
where
it's
just
things
are
going
to
get
worse
in
terms
of
affordable
housing,
and
we
have
to
focus
on
the
areas
where
we
can
thank.
B
C
It's
possible
that
if
there's
a
technical
difficulty
right,
if
you
can
put
a
comment
in
the
chat,
so
we
can
see
if
you're
having
technical
difficulties,
but
we
also
could
potentially
do
another
agenda
item
like
see
if
there's
anyone
in
the
queue
or
something
while
we
allow
Brian
to
leave,
he
didn't
come
back.
Oh.
C
If
that's
the
case,
sometimes
leaving
the
meeting
and
coming
back
we'll
prompt
the
cues
to
allow
the
camera
and
the
microphone,
if
not,
if
you
go
to
the
top
of
the
meet.google.com
and
click
on
the
padlock
symbol,
it
will
allow
you
to
turn
on
your
camera
and
microphone.
There's
a
little
slide
bar.
It's
a
bright
blue
color
with
a
gray
slide
option.
K
Can
you
hear
me
all
right?
Yes,
great
great.
K
K
Pure
person
Kilgore
great,
to
see
you
councilman,
mostly
and
Rooney
great,
to
see
you
good
to
see
staff
I
know
many
of
you
from
many
many
years
of
being
involved
in
Asheville
and
downtown
just
a
little
bit
about
me
as
a
refresher
I'm.
A
realtor
and
I
have
three
real
estate
offices
and,
of
course,
I
work
with
sander
before
Asheville
Lake,
Lauren
Greenville
I
also
founded
the
actual
Independent
Restaurant
Association
in
2002
and
I
built
one
of
the
first
restaurants
in
the
Grove
Arcade,
which
is
now
Carmel.
K
So
that
was
quite
a
challenge
to
be
the
first
major
in
the
building.
I
was
on
the
Downtown
Association
for
12
years,
president
for
a
couple
of
those
years
met
a
lot
of
Staff
during
those
years
also
was
on
the
downtown
commission
for
nine
years
and
also
five
years
in
Bell
chair,
and
it
was
the
vice
chair
and
the
chair.
K
Obviously,
in
my
role
as
a
realtor
and
a
broker
in
charge,
I've
worked
with
and
worked
with,
worked
with
and
had
worked
currently
with
Planters
in
Buncombe,
Madison,
Brotherhood,
County
and
other
other
counties
around
us.
I
work
with
many
of
the
planners
within
the
city
over
the
years
as
I've
stated,
I'm
a
good
listener
and
I
make
good
decisions
based
on
input,
receive
and
good
judgment,
and
to
be
the
last
one.
Some
of
the
ideas
that
I
have
to
answer.
K
Councilman
Rooney's
questions
are
a
little
bit
repetitive,
but
with
a
little
bit
different
twist
regarding
changes
in
the
Udo
I'm,
a
strong
proponent
of
eliminating
the
missing
middle
and
adding
multi-family
and
residential
designed
properties,
specifically
they're
great
examples
in
Grove,
Park
Norwood,
Park,
Montford,
Kenworth,
West
Asheville,
and
so
you
just
wonder
why
that
can't
be
brought
back
and
I.
Think
that's
a
big
solution
to
some
some
additional
housing
I
do
also
recommend
some
of
the
some
of
the
other
parents
have
mentioned,
eliminating
the
parking
requirements
and
I
believe
Ben.
K
You
were
in
the
meeting
we
had
with
the
speaker
series
where
we
brought
in
a
lady
from
Buffalo,
and
she
brought
in
some
amazing
results
for
adaptive.
Reuse
of
existing
buildings,
including
churches,
modifying
retail
storefronts
into
smaller
sections
to
allow
both
housing
and
small
businesses
to
shine
and
I
was
very
moved
by
that.
I
think
that's
something
that
we
we
can
look
at
for
sure
regarding
additional
housing
working
with
developers
I've
been
through
the
development
process,
many
times
in
fact,
I
think
that's
where
I
first
met
Ben.
K
B
Well,
first
like
to
thank
you
very
much
Byron
for
being
here
and
I
greatly
appreciate
you
talking
about
the
as
far
as
developers,
working
with
the
government
working
more
with
developers,
because
I
have
spoken
to
some
of
the
developers
and
basically
some
of
the
constraints
and
the
reasons
why
we
have
not
had
more
developers
actually
take
an
interest
in
coming
into
Asheville.
So
I
greatly
appreciate
that
point
of
view
and
if
there's
anyone
else
here
that
would
like
to
ask.
K
Oh,
that's
a
good
question:
I
I
think
we've
we've
adapted
the
Udo
over
the
years
to
solve
problems
that
were
created.
I
can't
say
that
I
I
think
we
have
a
good
base.
I
think
we
need
to
tweak
it,
but
we
also
need
to
we're
we're
really
good
at
looking
at
other
communities
and
learning
from
their
mistakes
and
implementing
them
in
in
our
changes
and
I.
Think
we
need
to
continue
that
a
little
diversion
when
we
were
doing
the
food
truck
analysis
and
trying
to
make
it
right.
K
K
It
was
a
long
discussion,
but
we
did
the
right
thing.
So
I
would
say
the
Udo
is
a
moving
and
growing
thing
and
we
learn
from
mistakes
and
we
make
adjustments
so
I
think
it's
a
constant
need
to
update
it,
but
I
can't
give
you
in
a
specific
that
what
we
do
right,
I
think
we
have
some
really
good
rules
in
place.
Hopefully
that
kind
of
gets
to
the
core
of
your
answer
or
your
question.
B
K
I'm,
a
big
proponent
of
letting
the
market
do
what
it
needs
to
do
in
terms
of
supply
and
demand
and
I
was
very
involved
in
the
Embassy
Suites
thing
and
and
this
the
minor
tweaks
that
were
going
on
with
that
with
the
downtown
commission-
and
you
know,
is
it
the
right
decision
I
guess
we
have
a
history
of
over
building
hotels
and
then
becoming
Section
8,
affordable
housing,
so
yeah
I'm,
a
big,
a
big
proponent
of
Market
supply
and
demand,
and
not
necessarily
regulating
yeah.
K
K
A
B
Are
there
any
more
discussions?
The
committee
members
and
so
we'd
like
to
thank
everyone
for
actually
for
applying
and
participating
in
our
interviews
today.
I
think
that's
a
lot
of
important
event.
That's
here.
B
We
greatly
appreciate
you
taking
with
us
in
our
city
and
the
vote
for
the
appointments
will
take
place
at
the
council
meeting
later
this
evening
and
I
can
thank
everybody,
that's
great
for
everyone
to
join
us
and
at
this
time,
we'd
like
to
our
last
item,
a
business
to
review
is
to
proposed
amendment
changes
to
the
Asheville
area,
Rupert
Redevelopment,
Mission,
Court,
Miss,
and
so
now,
I'd
like
to.
C
B
C
B
L
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
councilwoman,
for
we
we
Kilgore,
we
have
put
together
a
presentation
for
you
to
summarize
what
we've
been
doing
on
the
riverfront
commission,
what
we
look
forward
to
doing
this
year
and
into
next
year,
and
some
of
the
changes
that
relate
to
that,
based
on
the
ordinance
updates
that
we
have
proposed
next
Sarah,
just
to
remind
everybody
what
the
purpose
of
the
commission
is,
it
is
to
give
recommendations
to
the
city
and
county
on
how
to
over.
L
You
know
how
to
protect
and
continue
the
development
in
a
sustainable
way
of
the
regional
Riverfront,
meaning
you
know
not
just
in
the
rad
but
along
the
river
in
in
a
broader
area.
Next,
if
you
look
here,
you
can
see
the
list
of
members
right
now.
There
are
a
couple
of
vacancies
that
will
hopefully
be
filled
here
pretty
soon,
especially
based
on
the
new
ordinance
changes
that
we
propose,
but
there's
a
great
variety
of
people
with
different
backgrounds,
different
levels
of
experience.
L
Of
course,
we
have
County
Commissioner,
Parker,
Sloan
and
councilwoman
Sage
Turner,
also
serving
as
members
of
this
group
as
well
as
vice
mayor,
McAllister,
Woodfin
and
a
host
of
people
who
have
businesses
or
other
interests
within
their
Regional
Riverfront.
L
Next,
just
another
quick
reminder,
because
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
you
come
upon
all
the
time,
how
the
how
the
riverfront
commission
came
about
was
in
the
early
days
of
looking
down
at
the
rad
and
trying
to
think
about
what
the
city
wanted
to
do
there
to
improve
things
in
the
old
Industrial
Area,
I,
guess
you'd,
say
the
city
manager
convened
a
variety
of
organizations
and
people
to
talk
about
how
they
thought.
Maybe
things
should
go
and
from
that
set
of
people
in
those.
L
In
those
discussions,
the
city
manager
created
the
commission
and
or
or
let's
say,
city
council
created
it
with
the
the
input
from
the
manager
and
other
people
and
in
2010.
The
work
really
began
around
the
same
time
as
the
river
Arts
District
transportation.
Improvement
project
that
transformed
the
area
immensely
in
2011.
L
The
commission
also
provided
some
input
to
the
flood
mitigation
task
force.
Then,
between
2012
and
2021,
the
organization
played
a
key
role
in
reviewing
development
projects
and
guidelines
in
the
rad,
especially
and
advocating
for
our
new
Transportation
auctions.
L
I
joined
in
2022
I
believe
it
seems
like
so
long
ago,
just
last
year
and
we
held
our
first
River
Summit
in
Asheville
in
the
fall
of
last
year,
which
was
well
attended,
my
90
or
more
people
from
Iran.
You
know
really
broad
variety
of
interests
from
from
business
owners
and
River
Outfitters
to
artists
and
people
who
live
in
the
area
right
around
the
rad
and
people
who
live
in.
We
had
the
stormwater
manager
from
from
Hendersonville,
for
example,
and
a
lot
of
different
interesting
people
came
next.
L
As
it
said
on
the
bottom
of
the
last
slide,
we
don't
need
to
go
back,
but
it
does
say
that
one
of
the
things
we
got
was
a
real,
a
lot
of
support
and
comment
about
the
need
to
deal
with
storm
water.
Around
the
same
time
that
we
were
doing
that
listing
that
Summit,
we
were
aware
that
there
were
stormwater
issues
that
had
created
impairments
in
the
river
and
and
in
the
spring
those
areas
were
listed
as
being
impaired
by
the
state
and
the
federal
government.
L
So
it
is
a
big
challenge
for
us
and
going
to
the
you
know,
reason
for
revising
this
ordinance
and
updating
it.
It
hadn't
been
looked
at
and
updated
significantly
for
10
years,
and
we
we
thought
it
was
important
to
reevaluate
what
the
commission
was
doing,
what
kind
of
activities
it
was
invested
in
and
take
into
account
all
the
changes
that
occurred
in
the
rad
and
in
the
larger
Riverfront
area
in
terms
of
development
and
the
increasing
impacts
of
climate
change.
L
So
those
were
key
elements
along
with
the
fact
that,
with
the
new
design,
Review
Committee,
we
don't
do
the
same
level
of
design
review.
That
was
in
the
earlier
ordinance,
and
that
was
you
know
we
needed
to
take
that
out
and
really
make
it
current
and
I.
Think
I
mentioned
before
that.
River
Summit
examined
the
impacts
of
storm
water,
but
we
also
came
away
realizing
that
we
needed
to
have
other
voices
included
in
the
conversation
from
inside
our
city,
but
also
across
the
county.
Next.
L
So,
first
of
all,
we
propose
to
name
the
commission
a
little
differently,
Asheville
Buncombe
Riverfront
commission,
bringing
in
a
larger
area.
We
think
that
it's
important
to
do
this,
because
it
signals
to
people
the
value
of
using
a
more
Watershed
approach,
rather
than
looking
at
small
areas,
thinking
bigger
and
how
all
these
different
areas
impact
the
river.
Eventually,
we
so
in
doing
all
that,
and
considering
about
other
people
and
other
voices,
we
reduce
riverlinks
and
sibo's
membership
to
one
each.
L
You
know
one
of
the
five
I
think
it
is
appointments
that
are
available
to
the
city,
somebody
who
is
from
my
traditionally
underserved
community
near
the
riverfront
and
that
that
would
add
a
whole
different
perspective
to
it.
We
also
added
Black,
Mountain
and
we'd,
like
the
county,
to
appoint
somebody
from
Swannanoa
to
you
know,
consider
that
area
which
is
in
development,
and
it
definitely
is
Upstream
of
us
and
we
get
the
results
of
what
they
do.
C
Kim
sorry
for
the
interruption:
I
just
have
some
clarity
around
this
bullet
about
proposing
a
city
of
Asheville
appointee
to
represent
traditionally
underserved
communities.
Yes,
are
you
suggesting
that
would
be
a
standing
seat
that
way?
It's
specifically
that
the
chair
is
reserved
for
the
neighborhood.
Yes,.
L
L
There
just
emphasize
better
management,
more
interaction,
more
discussion
and
more
thinking
on
a
broader
scale,
so
that
obviously
our
River
doesn't
begin
and
end
in
Asheville
and
we
need
to
consider
things
better,
I
think
than
we
have
perhaps
in
the
past
next.
L
So
what
we've
done
to
this
point
is
we
got
the
updated
the
changes
ratified
at
our
last
commission
meeting
on
August
10th.
We
presented
it
to
the
PED
committee
last
week,
and
here
we
are
now
with
you.
We
hope
to
get
a
positive
vote
for
the
updates
at
I.
Believe
it's
the
September
12th
commission
meeting
and
so
I
think.
Unless
something
changes,
that's
the
last.
We
knew
it
was
going
to
come
up
at
that
point
and
next
slide.
Please.
A
This
is
Staff.
This
is
Stephanie
Doll
I'll
just
say
that
we
have
confirmed
a
date
for
September
26th.
Oh.
L
L
We
are
still,
we
are
still
doing
higher
level
rad
design
reviews,
but
not
the
level
of
detail.
Now
we
have
a
person
who
our
vice
chair
is
Kate
and
Kaya,
who
couldn't
make
this
meeting,
but
she
is
on
the
design,
review
committee
so
she's
a
great
connection
between
the
riverfront
commission
and
the
design
Review
Committee.
We
have
also
begun
to
participate
with
sustainability
advisory
committee
in
a
joint
work
group.
L
That's
looking
at
how
the
city's
fee
study
for
the
stormwater
program
is,
is
continuing
to
develop
and
what
potential
program
involvements
or
improvements
we
could
come
up
with.
We've
met
a
couple
of
times
with
with
staff
members
in
the
city,
and
we
had
a
meeting
recently
with
the
Consulting
Group,
that's
doing
the
work
and
we
had
a
really
valuable
discussion.
L
I
think
one
of
our
other
subcommittees,
if
you
will,
is
seeking
to
talk
to
elected
officials
and
leaders
around
the
region,
about
some
of
the
topics
that
we
focus
on
and
and
all
all
with,
the
idea
of
being
more
inclusive
and
broadening
the
input
and
finding
ways
to
work
together
around
this.
As
you
may
remember,
it
isn't
just
a
fun
place
to
be
on
the
river
or
near
the
river,
but
it
also
is
a
huge
generator
of
our
economy.
L
3.8
billion
dollars
a
year,
and
so
we
need
to
look
at
the
economic
and
the
environmental
all
woven
together,
and
then
we
want
to
continue
looking
at
the
rad.
L
You
know:
how
can
we-
and
this
is
interesting-
the
conversations
that
you
were
having
earlier
with
the
the
interviewers,
the
interviewees
about
transportation
and
how
we
can
ensure
that
our
transportation
options
increase
down
there
so
that
people
don't
have
to
drive
it
down
to
the
rad
they
can
get
there
with
other
other
means
and
trying
to
figure
a
way
to
creatively
reduce
the
graffiti
impacts
in
the
area
by
advocating
for
more
public
murals
and
so
forth.
L
Next
and
I
think
that's
pretty
much
it
for
me.
I'll
be
happy
to
take
any
questions,
and
hopefully
Stephanie
will
be
there
if
I
don't
have
the
answer.
Thank
you.
C
This
is
Kim
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
the
work
that
y'all
are
doing.
Thank
you
for
voluntary
leadership
in
our
community.
I
attended
the
summit
and
learned
a
lot
by
being
at
the
table.
I
appreciated
the
conversations
about
who
wasn't
in
the
space
for
these
conversations
and
how
authentic
invitations
can
be
made.
So
thank
you
for
that
as
well.
Thank
you.
D
To
Philippines
I'd
be
happy
to
I,
just
want
to
make
sure
I
have
the
correct
date,
because
the
date
in
the
motion
says
October
24th.
Is
it
the
26th
Stephanie?
Okay,
so
I
moved
to
recommend
Asheville
city
council
consider
mending
at
the
September
26
2023
meeting
and
a
new
ordinance
establishing
the
Asheville
Buncombe
Riverfront
Commission.
A
C
I
think
this
works,
but
for
some
reason,
if
we
do
not
fill
all
the
openings
for
Planning
and
Zoning,
because
it's
a
quasi-judicial
board
and
also
only
has
five
members,
if
we
make
a
decision
that
we
need
to
have
the
September
meeting
for
the
pending
and
Zoning
consideration,
my
suggestion
is
October
is
perfect
because
we
would
actually
have
time
to
do
the
Outreach
if
we
leave
an
opening,
but
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
I
know
we
have
some
legal
requirements.
My.