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B
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
I'm
gwen
whistler
and
I
chair
the
planning
and
economic
development
council
committee
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
may
10th
meeting.
All
council,
member
and
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
we're
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
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B
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entering
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code
8187
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today
welcome
for
today's
meeting
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you're
watching
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while
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listening
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please
be
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to
turn
down
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before
speaking
I'll
now
go
through
and
introduce
the
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
keep
your
microphone
muted.
If
you
are
not
speaking
council
and
staff,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello.
B
B
Second,
great
and
then
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote
to
approve
the
motion.
When
I
say
your
name,
please
say
aye
to
approve
the
minutes:
councilwoman
kilgore,
hi,
councilwoman
turner,
I
and
myself,
I
so
the
minutes
have
been
approved.
C
Hi
good
afternoon,
everyone
and
I'm
just
going
to
give
a
brief
kind
of
introduction
and
summary
and
overview
of
where
we're
at
with
the
urban
centers
rezoning
initiative
and
then
hand
it
off
to
vadilla
safica
to
cover
the
rest
of
the
presentation.
C
But
if
you
recall
urban
centers
is
something
we've
been
working
on
for
for
quite
some
time
after
the
adoption
of
living,
asheville's
comprehensive
plan
in
2018,
and
I
believe
we
started
this
effort
in
2019
and
the
project
took
somewhat
of
a
hiatus
last
year
and
went
on
the
back
burner
as
we
tried
to
address
other
priorities
related
to
covid
and
other
kind
of
pressing
council
priorities
last
year.
C
But
over
the
past
few
months,
staff
has
been
working
on
the
the
draft
code
making
revisions
meeting
with
community
members
related
to
that
code
and
especially
since
I
believe
for
the
last
four
months
or
so.
Staff
has
been
meeting
with
members
of
the
legacy
neighborhoods
coalition,
including
neighborhoods
from
emma
and
burton
street,
and
meeting
with
county
staff,
as
well
as
it
pertains
to
the
the
patton
avenue
area
with
the
former
kmart
site.
C
And
if
you
recall,
we've
actually
split
the
urban
centers
rezoning
into
two
different
phases
where
in
the
first
phase,
is
what
we're
moving
forward
with
right
now
includes
areas
and
properties
along
merriman
avenue,
tunnel
road
around
the
innsbruck
mall
and
then
the
bleachery
boulevard
walmart
area
in
east
asheville,
phase
two,
which
is.
We
would
begin
that
within
the
next
few
months,
would
include
the
patton
avenue
node
and
the
asheville
mall
area,
which,
if
you
recall,
during
the
public
meetings
and
conversations
that
we
had
with
you
all
for
the
hotel
regulations.
C
We
decided
to
add
the
asheville
mall
area
to
the
the
urban
centers
initiative
after
those
conversations.
So
with
that
I'll
hand
it
over
to
vadilla
saviga
and
I'm
available
for
any
questions.
Thank
you.
G
Great
jenna:
are
you
going
to
work
this
slide?
Can
you
hear
me
now.
G
Barely
not
very
good,
okay.
Well,
if
there's
an
issue
gwen's
looking
like
she
can't
hear,
is
it
okay?
I
can.
B
Hear
you,
but
I
think
it's
a
good
idea.
Unfortunately,
you
may
have
to
hold
up
your
microphone.
G
Okay,
sorry.
G
G
Okay,
so
just
to
recap:
for
those
who
haven't
been
on
pd
that
long,
this
is
a
summary
of
what
the
urban
place
forum
district
is
about
really
we're
trying
to
accommodate
a
growing
population.
G
We
want
to
mix
uses
better
because
in
a
lot
of
these
locations
that
we're
talking
about
it's
really
single
use
single
story,
big
box
development.
We
want
to
connect
neighborhoods
and
make
these
places
more
walkable
and
to
have
a
good
environment.
So
just
sort
of
just
summarize
it
in
a
nutshell,
next
slide
by
the
way.
These
are
only.
I
think
we
have
nine
slides
here.
So
it's
not
a
lot
of
information,
but
it's
kind
of
condensed
so
feel
free
to
stop
me
if
you
want,
but
that's
it
should
be
pretty
short.
G
This
is
what
we
plan
to
talk
about
as
an
update.
We
want
to
talk
about
these
two
phases.
Some
adjustments
to
the
code
changes
to
non-conforming
language
in
the
udo
which
actually
happened
with
hotels,
but
we'll
talk
about
it
here,
the
direction
on
the
type
of
zoning
district
that
we
are
proposing,
how
housing
will
in
court
will
be
incorporated,
and
then
the
schedule
next
slide.
G
Todd
mentioned
the
two
phases
so
to
remind
you,
we
have
three
nodes,
these,
the
blue
nodes
that
are
shown
on
the
screen
as
part
of
phase
one
on
the
far
north.
It's
the
merriman
node
in
the
middle
is
sort
of
the
north
tunnel
road
and
on
the
southern
side,
is
the
bleachery
boulevard
and
then
the
two
red
nodes
would
be
part
of
phase
two,
the
largest
one
is
the
asheville
mall
and
the
one
on
the
far
left
is
patton
avenue.
G
So
that's
where
we
are
there's
an
interactive
map.
If
you
want
to
get
the
details,
you
can
access
that
yourself
or
we
can
look
at
it,
some
more
if
you,
if
you
want
to
talk
about
any
of
those
details.
Okay,.
G
So
for
a
couple
of
reasons,
we've
broken
it
into
two
phases,
one
during
the
discussions
through
the
hotel
ordinance,
we
were
directed
to
consider
adding
the
asheville
mall
to
this
general
project,
because
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
any
development
that
comes
in
there
integrates
what
we're
trying
to
do
in
urban
centers
in
these
large
sites
in
the
mall,
because
we
knew
that,
for
example,
we
had
the
the
the
failed
ceretage
project
and
we
thought
if
another
project
came
came
up,
we
would
hate
to
just
see
you
know
very
conventional
sort
of
strip.
G
B
Vadilla,
thank
you
for
that,
but
the
question
I've
got-
and
I
think
you've
answered
this
in
previous
ped,
but
because
we've
identified
these
two
areas,
basically
someone
wouldn't
be
able
to
go
ahead
and
develop
it.
You
know,
under
current
zoning,
that's
right.
G
Okay
right
so
so
we
we
have
regulations
that
state
when
the
city
has
an
open
application
for
a
a
rezoning
that
projects
effectively
can't
can't
happen
until
that
rezoning
is
completed.
So
all
the
projects
and
here
phase
one
and
phase
two
are
part
of
the
open
applica,
the
current
open
application.
G
So
those
any
project
that
is
being
considered
by
somebody
owning
property,
their
property.
There
has
to
wait
until
we're
complete.
I
Question
vadilla:
what
happened
to
the
charlotte
street
is
that
one
off
the
it's
off
now.
G
Well,
the
charlotte
street
project
is
not
a
part
of
this.
It's.
It
is
a
pretty
large
project,
but
it's
not
part
of
urban
centers.
It's
just
a
you
know.
Private
landlord,
that's
interested
in
a
conditional
zoning.
I
Of
what
I
was
talking
about
was
when
we
were
considering
the
center
with
the
butt
records
where
the
fighter
workers
were.
I
thought
we
were
considering
that
I
was
on
planet
zoning.
G
Yeah
that
was
never
part
of
urban
centers.
I
mean
it's,
you
know
it's,
it's
not
too
far
from
the
tunnel
road
node
and
they
are
large
projects
that
tend
to
have
mixed
use
components
to
them
so
in
some
ways
they're
similar,
but
to
be
clear,
the
the
urban
centers
were
identified
during
the
comprehensive
plan
as
these
these
places
that
tend
to
have
a
lot
of
very
big
parcels
like
15
acres,
that
are
somewhat
underutilized,
like
the
kmart
on
patent
avenue,
that
that
is,
you
know,
bankrupt.
G
So
there's
there's
separate
sites.
I
guess
in
a
nutshell,.
C
And-
and
I
can
just
add
a
little
bit
more
context
there
for
for
charlotte
street
as
part
of
the
road
diet,
project
planning
staff
did
kind
of
piggyback
on
that
effort
to
engage
the
community
and
start
to
ask
some
questions
about
zoning
and
land
use
along
the
charlotte
street
corridor.
C
Again
this
was
a
project
that
was
kind
of
put
on
the
back
burner
at
the
time,
but
in
the
future
it's
possible
that
we
could
potentially
come
back
with
some
recommendations
for
the
charlotte
street
corridor.
You
know
if
council
is
interested
in
us
taking
a
look
at
that
that
area
and
then
I
I
I
noticed
too.
I
was
just
checking
the
last
time
we
presented
to
ped
and
this
might
explain
some
of
the
confusion
about
the
which
urban
center
locations
and
the
different
phases.
C
But
in
november
we
actually
came
to
ped,
but
you
were
a
completely
different,
ped
makeup.
At
that
time
we
had
an
interim
sort
of
membership,
not.
C
Not
completely
yes,
yes,
councilwoman
whistler,
you're
right,
you
were
you
were
there
and
miss
mosley
and
and
councilmember
mayfield,
and
and
that's
where
now
recollecting.
C
My
recollection
of
that
meeting
is
that
we
we
got
direction
at
the
time
and
and
with
the
two
different
phases
with
you
know,
pushing
off
the
the
patton
avenue
node
for
a
couple
of
extra
months
to
give
us
extra
time
to
continue
to
to
work
with
some
of
the
surrounding
neighborhoods,
like
emma
and
burton
street,
to
to
work
on
with
them
on
any
potential
impacts.
The
project
might
have
on
their
respective
neighborhoods
and
we've
been
working
with.
C
As
I
mentioned,
the
legacy
neighborhoods
coalition
and
emma
and
burnt
street
neighborhoods
on
on
anti-displacement
and
neighborhood
stabilization
strategies,
which
is
something
that
we
will
likely
try
to
bring
forward
as
part
of
the
second
phase
of
this
project.
G
Go
ahead:
vanilla,
okay,
next
slide,
please
so
some
recent
code
adjustments
just
to
remind
you
that
the
compliance
for
these
projects
will
be
triggered
by
expansions
or
developments.
So
no
business
that
is
currently
operating
in
any
of
these
sites
would
have
to
would
would
face
some.
You
know
economic
challenge,
it
really
would
would
be
triggered
by
the
landlord
having
to
do
a
significant
expansion
or
redevelopment.
G
We
have
language
in
here
that
requires
sites
that
are
larger
than
two
acres
to
to
be
allowed
to
do
multi-phase
developments,
but
we
want
to
see
that
development
and
we
want
the
neighborhoods
to
see
it
in
advance.
Just
so,
we
know
what's
coming
down
the
pike,
so
we
have
that
requirement
for
a
master
plan.
G
We've
we've
added
some
flexibility,
language
and
setbacks.
You
know,
typically
in
form
based
codes.
We
bring
the
buildings
toward
the
front
to
create
this
urban
type
of
a
building
forum,
but
realizing
that
the
the
places
we're
talking
about
are
very
suburban
and
very
auto
oriented.
We
can't
expect
to
bring
in
a
code
that
is,
is
really
strict,
so
we're
trying
to
be
flexible
and
we've
we've
got
a
lot
of
feedback
from
some
property
owners,
so
this
is
one
one
code
that
we're
highlighting
to.
G
Let
you
know
that
we're
adding
some
flexibility
as
well
as
drive-throughs
and
gas
stations.
Those
typically
are,
are
not
permitted.
We
are
including
language
to
subordinate
them
to
require
drive-throughs
to
have
the
drive-through
portion
in
the
back,
and
the
gas
station
is
hidden
from
primary
buildings.
G
So
I
think
of
this
as
a
transition
right,
the
housing
that
is
built
can
be
located
in
separate
buildings.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
in
the
same
structure
and
some
some
people
you
know
don't
want
to
do
that.
So
it's
more
accommodating
to
allow
them
that
flexibility.
G
We
are
requiring
two-story
structures
only
for
one-half
of
the
total
building
footage.
Again.
This
is
just
trying
to
be
flexible
and
at
one
point
we
had
parking
structures
were
required
and
now
they're,
not
so
again
we're
trying
to
realize
that
the
transition
of
these
sites
that
we're
trying
we're
trying
to
bring
in
some
urban
requirements,
realizing
that
you
can't
you
can't
push
too
hard
when
none
of
that
infrastructure
is
there
all
right
next
slide.
A
Adela,
this
is
sage
just
before
we
get
too
far
away
from
that
map.
I
did
want
to
notice
point
out
that
I
thought
that
the
parkwood
shopping
center
up
at
the
intersection
of
like
lucerne,
neighborhood
and
patton
was
also,
and
I
would
love
an
update
on
that
later.
I
just
don't
want
to
get
too
far
from
that
topic
todd
you
and
I
had
spoken
about
that
specific
one.
G
Yeah
yeah:
this
is
haywood.
G
G
That's
right
there
there
are
other
urban
centers
in
the
city
that
aren't
on
phase
one
or
two,
so
we
can
bring
that
into
the
into
the
mix.
Part.
G
Right
so
so,
ultimately,
we're
we're
going
to
want
to
address
a
consistent,
somewhat
consistent
zoning
on
commercial
corridors
that
particular
node
is
already
part
of
the
foreign
base
code
of
haywood
road.
So
we
thought
it
had
some
limited
checks
to
govern
form,
not
not,
whereas
these
other
ones,
you
kind
of
it's.
G
Yeah
so
non-conformity
update.
This
was
a
request
by
property
owners
who
were
concerned
of
going
going
to
the
urban
centers
code
without
having
this
catastrophic
loss
clause
that
other
cities
have
which
basically
says
if
you're
non-conforming
and
your
building
burns
down,
you
can
rebuild
it.
G
We
didn't
used
to
have
that,
but
we
integrated
this
as
part
of
the
hotel
ordinance.
So
it's
on
the
books
now
and
it
gives
some
ease
to
property
owners
who
have
large
buildings
that
will
be
in
the
future
urban
centers
that
aren't
today,
for
example,
harry's
on
the
hill
or
some
structures
that
will
not
in
the
future
permit
auto
oriented
uses.
G
And
you
know
this
gives
them
some
ease
of
mind,
knowing
that,
if,
if
they
have
some
bad
luck,
they
can
build
back.
B
So
vanilla
does
this
apply
across
the
city,
not
just
urban.
D
G
In
every
district,
yes,
this
is
this
is
part
of
our
non-conformities
language
that
applies
to
all
zoning
districts.
G
B
And
arson.
G
That
would
be
considered
human
caused
and
I
believe
natural
causes
without
human
intervention.
So.
G
Yeah
well
so
this
isn't
the
exact
language
I
sort
of
just
cut
and
pasted
what
would
fit
on
the
slide.
But
so
it
says
the
reconstruct
reconstruction
of
a
building
that
was
destroyed
by
an
event
resulting
from
natural
causes
without
human
intervention
may
be
restored,
provided
that
the
restoration
restoration
doesn't
increase
in
non-conformity
is
part
of
the
valid
building
permit
within
12
months,
and
it
doesn't
change
the
use.
B
Just
I,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
just
later
on
I'd,
just
like
to
read
the
wording.
Unfortunately,
we
have
some
history
in
the
city
of
people
doing
yeah
doing
bad
things
because
they
don't.
They
can't
afford
the
buildings
anymore.
A
D
G
Right
yeah,
we
can.
We
can
look
through
this
language
and
talk
about
some
of
the
details.
We
have.
I
don't
remember
what
brought
it
into
hotels,
but
during
that
conversation
we
knew
that
this
was
a
concern
of
property
owners
for
urban
centers.
So
we
were
trying
to
make
sure
to
get
it
to
happen
in
advance
of
urban
centers.
H
And
this
is
janice
I'll,
just
comment
that
the
city
used
to
have
this
provision
in
our
udo
todd
you
might
know
when
and
why
we
we
cut
it
out.
We
haven't
had
it
for
several
years,
but
this
is
a
very
common
provision
across
the
state
and
it
is
just
to
ensure
property
owners
that
if
their
property
is
damaged-
and
I
guess
if
it
got
into
arson-
there'd
have
to
be
some
proof
that
they
had
nothing
to
do
with
it.
H
So
you
know,
but
they
could,
they
can
rebuild
the
investment,
even
if
the
zoning
has
changed
so
which
which
might
no
longer
allow
just,
for
example,
a
single
grocery
store
or
something
they
could
rebuild
that
even
if
the
zoning
had
changed.
So
it's
a
very
common
clause
in
in
cities
across
the
state.
C
And
just
to
to
quickly
add
on
to
what
janus
said
that
when
we
looked
at
other
cities
throughout
the
state,
our
previous
language
seemed
like
it
was
probably
somewhat
antiquated
and
ought
to
be.
You
know
updated
to
be
more
consistent
with
kind
of
like
the
common
language
found
in
other.
C
You
know
big
cities
throughout
the
state,
but
it
seemed
at
the
time
that
our
udea
was
maybe
overly
restrictive
over
the
past
few
years
about
allowing
buildings
to
be,
you
know,
reconstructed
through
you,
know,
wind
or
or
tornado
or
lightning
event
or
hurricane,
or
something
like
that
that
might
destroy
their
building.
G
G
So,
to
be
clear,
maybe
I
wasn't
it:
it
isn't
part
of
urban
centers.
We
we
passed
it.
It's
part
of
section
717,
I've,
I've
pasted
it
into
the
chat,
which
is
just
a
general
non-conformity
standard
for
for
our
regulations.
Citywide.
G
Sorry,
I
maybe
didn't
explain
that
clearly
this
this
already
has
been
adopted,
but
it's
something
that
that
was
made
clear
to
us
that
people
wanted
some
large
property
owners
wanted,
so
letting
you
know
that
it's
it's
now
been
done.
G
Okay,
next
slide,
please,
okay,
we
are
moving
in
the
direction
of
creating
a
general
use.
Zoning
district
rather
than
an
overlay
district,
and
here
is
a
chart
showing
pros
and
cons
of
the
two,
and
what
I
will
say
is
that
the
general
use
we
realized
is
just
going
to
be
easier
to
implement
it's
easier
for
the
public
to
understand,
and
it
really
will
be
a
lot
less
work
for
us.
G
Not
that
not
that
our
goal
should
be
to
not
have
a
lot
of
work,
but
it
really
would
be
a
lot
of
work
for
the
planning,
commission
and
city
council
to
have
the
overlay
district,
because
what
it
would
mean
is
that
if
we
had
an
overlay
district
for
urban
centers,
basically
their
zoning
districts
would
be
what
they
are
today
and
the
only
way
that
they
would
have
to
comply
is
if
they
created
some
sort
of
a
trigger.
G
That
would
then
require
them
to
have
this
new
zoning
district,
which
would
mean
that
we
would
have
to
take
that
project
through
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
then
through
city
council.
Whereas
if
we
do
a
general
use
district,
we
can
blanket
rezone
entire
nodes,
and
that
is
the
new
zoning
district
that
they
must
abide
by.
G
Next
slide,
please
so
housing.
We,
you
know
from
the
beginning.
A
challenge
has
been:
how
can
we
get
development
to
include
housing
right?
A
lot
of
these
districts
already
give
you
a
double
density.
If
you
build
housing,
they're
35
units
an
acre
or
70,
if
you
do
affordable
housing
and
we're
not
seeing
any
housing
units,
so
the
the
the
the
code
that
we've
developed
is
based
on
the
it's,
it's
a
commercial
square
footage
incentive,
and
it
says
that
we'll
give
you
a
base,
20
000
square
feet
of
commercial
area
for
your
business.
G
If
you're
I
mean
you
yeah
you,
you
don't
have
to
build
as
many
affordable
housing
units
and
you
get
more
square
footage.
So
as
an
example,
if
you're,
if
you
want
to
build
a
40,
000
square
foot,
grocery
store,
for
example,
20
000
square
feet
is
your
base,
you
need
20
000
square
feet.
G
We
give
you
1
000
square
feet
per
market
rate
unit,
so
that's
20
apartments
that
are
market
rate
or
10
units
that
are
affordable,
and
this
is
a
minimum
standard.
The
idea
is
that
when,
when
someone
is
faced
with
the
reality
of
having
to
build
the
housing,
they're
going
to
go
through
the
the
financial
analysis
and
maybe
discover
that
it
makes
more
sense
to
build
a
little
bit
more
because
there's
significant
costs
at
you
know
the
foundation
and
all
the
work
that
that
can
be
spread.
G
Better,
if
you
do
a
little
bit
more
of
the
housing
units,
we're
saying
that
the
housing
could
be
integrated
in
the
structure
or
not
necessarily,
but
it
has
to
be
on
sites
and
that's
it
in
a
nutshell:
do
you
do
you
want
to
talk
about
that
at
all.
A
A
When
you're
I'm
sorry,
my
computer
was
about
to
die.
I
just
had
to
plug
in.
I
have
one
percent.
Okay,
so
do
we
know
any
existing?
Like
I
know,
ingles
is
probably
like
70
000
square
feet.
Exactly
who
are
we
talking
about
these
big
box
stores
like
we
find
at
a
mall
a
grocery
store,
a
like
a
car
dealer?
I'm
just
not
sure
if
we
have
any
idea
of
who
is
this
big.
G
A
G
When
we
started
the
trigger
was
5
000
square
feet,
which
was
basically
larger
than
like
a
taco
bell,
but
you
know
it
would
capture
sort
of
smaller
buildings
like
an
ace
hardware,
and
the
question
was:
do
we
want
to
require
an
ace
hardware
to
have
to
build
one
or
two
apartments?
Is
that
too
onerous?
G
And
there
was
some
concern
about
that
so
recently,
we've
bumped
it
up
and
20
000
seemed
like
a
square
footage
that
really
just
gets
four
to
five
properties
within
each
of
these
nodes,
and
you
know,
is
that
a
good
number
yeah.
I
guess
we're
trying
to
sort
of
shy
on
the
side
of
being
conservative,
but
we
could
I
mean.
A
It's
it's
the
math,
that's
throwing
me
like,
for
instance,
you,
a
two-story
building
is
pretty
rare,
so
then
you've
got
to
have
a
taller
building
to
get
your
performer
to
work
than
is
your
20.
Your
base
is
too
small.
I
just
wonder
if
we
had
any
engineers
look
at
this
or
anything
are
we
just
kind
of
kind
of
shooting
at
the
dark.
G
We
we
have
we've
done
our
own,
some
of
our
own
analysis
on
separate
sites
and
we've
had
a
design
workshop
with
some
design
professionals
and
representatives
from
a
large
grocer
that
we're
working
with
to
work
through
the
possible
scenarios
and
how
it
could
work,
and
so
we
have
a
general
sense
of
it.
Okay,
you.
G
Everything's
been
moving
a
little
bit.
Sometimes
we
change
the
housing
numbers
or
something
else.
So
it's
everything's
a
little
bit
in
flux,
but
it
can
work
at
the
20
000
square
foot
base
we're
not
going
to
require
this
to
as
many
properties.
G
So
it
depends
on
whether
you
think
we
should
require
this
to
more
properties
or
not.
You
know
that
will
guide
our
discussion.
C
And
just
to
add
on
to
what
vadilla
was
saying,
I
think
we
had
a
recent
conversation
with
a
representative
from
the
national
town.
C
Builders
association
was
that
the
group
madela,
who
came
to
asheville,
maybe
a
year
and
a
half
ago
now
and
worked
with
us
on
some
projects
in
the
south
slope
neighborhood,
but
but
to
council
member
turner's
point,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
what
we're
asking
for
is
meets
kind
of
the
market
reality
of
things
and
and
and
that's
where
things
get
get
somewhat
tricky
with
zoning.
C
C
C
However,
if,
if
we,
you
know
our
current
development
thresholds,
we
trigger
council
review
at
50
units,
so
we
we
already.
C
I
think
we
have
some
considerations
in
the
code
right
now
to
maybe
bump
that
up
a
little
bit
up
to
maybe
80
units
or
so
and-
and
we
looked
at-
maybe
even
going
higher,
but
we-
I
don't
know
if
we've
explained
this
yet,
but
as
part
of
the
second
phase
for
urban
centers,
we
wanted
to
take
a
another
look
at
potentially
expanding
the
community
benefits
system
and
table
that
we
did
for
the
hotel
projects
in
the
city
to
either
include
just
the
urban
center
locations
or
maybe
all
land
uses
and
all
conditional
zonings
for
for
the
city.
C
The
challenge
is:
if
we,
if
we
increase
the
development
review
thresholds
for
urban
centers,
we're
not
sure
how
that
might
impact
our
community
benefit
system.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we,
if
we're
going
to
allow
larger
development
sites
that
they'll
in
the
future
that
they
would
have
to
apply
those
community
benefits.
So
there's
there's
just
some
consideration,
we're
not
sure.
C
Yet
what
the
public
benefits
system
might
look
like
for
these
areas,
but
if
we
kind
of
give
away
or
increase
development
review
thresholds
without
asking
for
community
benefits,
now
we
might
lose
the
opportunity
to
to
leverage
these
sites.
You
know
in
the
future
to
to
try
to
help
mitigate
the
projects
further
or
provide
additional
public
benefits,
but,
but
certainly,
if
you
know,
there's
any
interest
in
taking
a
look
at
adjusting
the
development
review
thresholds,
we're
definitely
open
to
that
and
would
appreciate
any
input
you
all
have
on
that.
A
I
think
that
would
be
a
wonderful
idea
to
tie
up
with
this.
Personally,
the
50
is
hard
and
that's
what
I
was
kind
of
getting
at.
If
we
require
the
space
and
it
triggers
these
units,
they've
got
to
have
the
bigger
base,
they
could
have
more
units,
they
gotta
be
taller
than
their
conditional,
anyways
yeah.
Thank
you.
Todd.
B
So
help
me
out:
can
you
give
me
an
example
of
like
what
you,
what
is
the
20
000
square
foot?
I
mean
I
realized
like
an
angle
70,
but
what's
20?
Is
it.
A
B
C
Staples
like
a
probably
getting
close
to,
like
maybe
a
trader
joe's,
is
isn't
that
20
to
30.
Maybe.
A
30
pounds
go
past
11
and
a
half,
but
okay,
the
other
ones,
would
be
those
things
along.
The
mall
like
the
office
depot
over
by
innsbruck,
which
is
probably
maybe
that's
a
little
big.
B
Well,
I
guess
I
guess
one
of
the
things
that
I
wondered
if
you'd
consider
you
know
like
say
something
was
25
000
square
feet
and
I'm
just
wondering
like
how
practical
it
is
for
somebody
to
have
five
residential
units,
and
so
my
question
is:
would
we
consider
if
they
found
another
place
or
if
they
partnered
up
with
another
developer
and
and
and
I
think
you'd
almost
want
to
require
that
the
you
know
if,
if
we
allowed
it,
if
we
allowed
the
residential
units
on
another
location,
I
would
think
it
would
almost
have
to
be
affordable.
B
But
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
know
for
like
between
20-
and
I
don't
know
and
30
000.
It
just
seems
like
that's
just
such
a
small
number
of
units
that
it
seems
like
it
would
be.
Not
very
practical
to
you
know,
sort
of
have
a
whole
different
infrastructure
for
rental
housing
and
that
kind
of
thing.
So
I'm
wondering
if
maybe
we
would
consider
allowing
them
to
do
it
not
on
location
but
maybe
give
them
an
opportunity
to
partner
with
another
developer.
B
But
again,
I
think
if
we
did
something
along
those
lines,
we
would
say
it
has
to
be
affordable
units.
It
can't
just
be
I
mean
you
know
you
you'd
be
kind
of
recognizing
that
they,
you
know,
are
getting
a
deal
from
that
perspective,
and
so
I
don't
it's
just
I
mean
I'm
just
trying
to
think
like
and
two.
You
know
how
how
marketable
is
you
know
if
you've
got
two
apartments
above
staples
yeah
staples?
It's
like.
D
B
G
Yeah
well
so
we
in
the
code,
we
say
that
no
project
will
provide
less
than
five
units.
I
believe,
that's
there
and
again.
G
A
To
gwen's
point
that
the
fee
in
lou
is
something
is
what
I'm
hearing
and
then
I'm
going
to
forget
when
concept,
yeah
and
I'll
never
forget
when
a
developer
said
this
to
me
a
couple
years
ago,
if
the
rate
prices
are
going
up
to
build
something,
it's
actually
easier
for
me
to
buy
an
apartment
apartment,
complex,
that's
already
built
and
convert
it
to
affordable
than
it
is
to
build
a
new
one.
So
you
know
that
same
concept
is
in
there
like.
Can
they
in
lieu
or
bring
down
rent
somewhere
else
would
be
interesting?
Maybe.
B
Yeah
yeah,
because
I
do
think
that
we
do
want-
I
mean
I,
we
don't
want
to
lose
this
concept,
that
we
want
the
urban
center
to
be
more
urban,
so
we
want
it
to
be
mixed
use.
So
I
don't
so
I
I
certainly
get
it
that
you
know
if
you've
got
large
commercial.
We
also
want
large
residential
right.
So
I
don't
know
it's
just.
It
was
just
a
thought.
B
And
then
my
other
thing
is,
you
know,
are
we
what
we
you
know
it's
the
same
kind
of
thing.
I
don't
want
to
incentivize
people
to
build
something,
that's
19
850
square
feet,
but
these
are
such
large.
These
are
such
large
footprints
that
doesn't
seem
like
it
would
be
something
that
would
be
attractive
to
people.
B
I
mean
to
just
you
know
that
they
would
say:
well,
I
only
am
going
to
build
19
850
square
feet
so
that
I
don't
have
to
add
residential,
but
these
are
such
large
footprints
that
it
doesn't
seem
like.
That
would
be
something
just
economically.
That
would
make
sense.
Yeah.
G
A
G
Yeah,
it's
going
to
depend
on
the
business
like
some
some
of
their
their
business
models
aren't
going
to
adjust
at
all,
but
some
of
them
on
the
edge-
maybe
maybe
they
will
but
but
these
are
good
comments,
we'll
we'll.
Definitely
look
at
that
possible
fee
and
lou
how
to
deal
with
the
the
minimum
under
five
units
or
five
to
ten
units
and
and
and
how
to
yeah
how
to
deal
with
that.
I
G
Okay
next
slide,
I
think
we're
getting
close
to
being
done
here
yeah,
so
we
have
this.
This
is
really
our
last
slide,
so
this
is
our
potential
schedule.
I
think
this
is
the
most
aggressive
that
we
can
have
at
this
point,
which
would
be
going
to
playing
in
zoning
commission
next
month.
Realistically,
is
this
schedule
right
that
that
we're
we're
tentatively
on
city
council
for
the
end
of
august?
G
E
This
was
the
schedule
vadilla.
I
think
after
our
meeting
and
discussion
with,
can
today
that
we're
probably
going
to
push
this
out
a
month
or
so.
G
At
least
for
for
planning
and
zoning
right
right.
C
Right
and
then
the
council
meeting,
I,
after
speaking
with
maggie,
I
think,
there's
kind
of
a
log
jam
during
the
summer
of
council
items
between
you
know
the
budget
season
and
some
other
big
projects.
So
I
think
probably
the
earliest
this
could
come
to
council
would
be
august
or
september
just
based
on
the
the
scheduling
of
where
we're
at
right.
Now.
I
This
is
the
thing
so,
basically,
when
the
developer
comes
in
and
you
know
takes
on
20
000
square
feet
or
whatever,
depending
on
what
they
do,
I
just
want
to
get
some
clarification
here
and
once
they
go
over
that
amount,
then
they're
responsible
for
certain
amount
of
units
or
whatever,
depending
and-
and
this
is
where
I
was
a
little
confused-
is-
do
they
have
a
designated
like
area
as
to
where
these
whole
units
will
be,
or
is
that
part
of
theirs
or
is
it
part
of
something
they
can
actually
put
in
a
pot
that
they
can?
G
So
currently,
in
our
code,
we're
saying
that
for
housing
units
that
they're
required
to
build,
they
need
to
build
them
within
the
same
building
like
if
it's
a
grocery
store.
It
has
to
be
either
within
that
same
structure
or
somewhere
else
on
the
lot
in
a
separate
building.
So
they
can
have
their
grocery
store
on
one
side
and
then
a
small
apartment
building.
I
I
I
think
that,
like
when
gwen
and
sage
basically
were
talking
about,
you
know
the
different
things
of
how
would
a
look
or
whatever
I
think,
if
they
have
some
kind
of
way,
that
we
can
actually
sort
of
have
some
order
to
where
the
units
are
would
make
sense.
I'm
afraid
that,
with
this
type
of
sort
of
you
don't
never
know
what
you're
going
to
get
more
or
less.
You
know
that
type
of
thing
I
think
it
could
could
actually
make
the
project
less
sort
of
inclusive
or
working
together.
I
I
feel
that
we
can.
We
could
look
at
something
and
have
sort
of
a
a
mess
on
our
hands.
You
know
to
some
degree,
because
you
can't
really
control
what
they
consider
affordable,
how
they
consider
they
want
to
build
it.
What
you
know
what
I
mean,
I
just
think
it's
you
got
to
have
some
more
order
to
that,
a
rule
of
relations
to
does
that
make.
G
Sense,
well,
let
me
tell
you
what's
been
guiding
our
principles
and
we
can
go
from
there,
so
we've
been
trying
to
create
code
to
make
mixed-use
communities
really
bringing
housing
into
the
same
place
where
there
are
jobs
on
these
high-frequency
transit
networks.
So
that's
one
of
our
key
goals
is
trying
to
bring
housing
there.
G
So
you
know
in
the
beginning,
when
we
started
this,
we
were
kind
of
very
sort
of
traditional
in
our
urban
form
and
we've
sort
of
migrated
away
from
that
a
little
bit
to
be
more
accommodating
to
the
typical
developer
around
here.
G
So
I'm
not
sure
if
that
answers
any
of
your
question,
but
that's
a
little
bit
of
where
we've
been
coming
from
the
affordable,
affordable
component.
Where
we're
saying
you
can
build
market
rate,
but
we're
also
giving
you
a
lot
more
of
an
incentive
if
you
build
affordable
housing,
so
maybe
we'll
see
more
of
a
mix
of
the
two.
G
But
again
this
is
incentive
driven.
We
can't
require
the
affordable
housing,
so
we
we
thought
we'd
just
make
it
easier
to
build
the
affordable
and
we're
hopeful
that
those
would
be
provided
more
more
commonly.
I
Yes,
I
guess
I'm
just
I'm
just
afraid
of
what
the
end
prod
project
may
look
like,
because
if
you
have
a
lot
of
small
developers,
this
one's
got
10
000,
so
they
don't
really
have
to
contribute.
This
one
has
10
they
don't,
then,
all
of
a
sudden
this
one
has
25
and
they've
got
to
put.
You
know
x
amount,
which
is
only
a
couple
homes
in
between
here
units,
and
it
seems
to
me
I
I
don't
know,
I
just
don't
see
the
con
continuity.
I
think
right.
G
G
G
That's
you
know
that's
a
viable
way
of
doing
that,
but
we
have
we've
taken
an
approach
that
that
is
not
requiring
the
same,
not
requiring
housing
for
smaller
buildings,
and
I'm
not
saying
that
that
we
could.
We
could
go
a
different
direction.
You
know,
if
you
think
we
need
to
we've
just
been
shying
away
from
that
and
putting
the
onus
on
larger
projects
because
they
have
more
capital
and
more
ability
to
to
meet.
I
G
I
Yeah,
I
guess
what
I
was
concerned
with
is
is
say,
for
instance,
depending
on
where
the
location
of
those
smaller
units
are
as
opposed
to
the
larger
units
and
that's
what
I
was
concerned
about.
Maybe
if
you
had
the
smaller
units,
maybe
sort
of
just
contribute
to
certain
amount
percentage
of
the
units
you
know
you
know
that
way:
it's
not
as
it's
high,
but
they
share
in
and
you
can
still
get
units
affordable
units
within
that
particular
area.
Where
you
have
the
smaller
units.
I
Does
that
make
sense
they
can
all
sort
of
contribute
to
so
many
units.
I
E
Know
I
don't
know
what
I
hear
you
saying
is
that
you
you're
afraid
that
there
might
just
be
like
a
like
a
small
apartment
building
of
five
units,
just
kind
of
on
a
lot
with
these
bigger
box
stores
and
that
that
might
start
to
like
really
feel
like
disjointed
and
that
you
would
rather
see
them
like
put
somehow
if
we
could
take.
Maybe
the
five
units
that
one
25
000
square
foot
development
does
and
kind
of
nick
and
add
that
with
maybe
another
one
so
that
we
have
like
a
bigger
group
of
yeah.
I
You're
saying
yeah
yeah,
I'm
just
sort
of
trying
to
get
some
type
of
of
unity
to
con
it.
To
me,
it
looks
like
it
could
be
sort
of
it
could
really
come
out
being
a
little
scattered
yeah.
I
think
stacy,
that's
probably
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
trying
to
maybe
put
some
more
some
type
of
way.
It
could
be
a
little
bit
more
organized
project.
Does
that
make
sense
a
little
bit
more.
B
It
isn't
one
store
on
the
on
the
large
on
the
large
zoning.
It's
like
the
whole
thing
has
to
be
zoned.
G
B
Yes,
so
I
mean,
I
guess:
does
that
help
you
a
little
bit
sandra
in
the
sense
that
you
know
it's?
It's
not
gonna
be
like
you
know,
a
small
grocery
store
goes
in
and
you've
still
got.
You've
still
got
another
acre
and
a
half
on
the
same
parcel.
You
know
it
isn't
like
like
that.
Store
has
to
do
one
thing
and
then
another
store
that
goes
in
next
door
is
going
to
do
another
thing,
because
they're
going
to
have
to
submit
a
plan
that
includes
the
entire
two
plus
acre
site.
I
So,
okay,
maybe
this
will
help
me
but
dale.
If
you
tell
me,
if
you're
looking
at
one
of
these
projects
here,
how
much
square
footage
of
commercial
space
would,
you
say,
is
available
in
say
the
corridor,
the
the
mirrorman
avenue?
What
would
you
say,
square
footage
as
far
as
commercial
units
a
space
would
be
available.
G
Well,
like
their
angle,
there's
an
ingles
up
there,
which
is
probably
70
000
square
feet.
Okay
across
the
street
from
them
are
similar,
almost
similar
sized
stores
with
the
the
steinmart
and
save
more
so.
I
G
Right
so
for
the
ingles
angles
that
would
be
about
50
market
rate
units
or
25,
affordable
units
and
their
their
their
box,
their
their
standard
is
70
000..
They.
They
basically
have
been
very
clear
that
that
they
don't
really
like
to
do
less
than
that.
They
have
a
model
that
works
and
when
we
met
with
them
and
went
through
some
of
these
designs,
they,
at
least
at
these
meetings,
seemed
very
open
to
the
idea
of
setting
aside
housing
in
a
separate
structure.
G
You
know
within
the
within
their
that
same
parcel,
but
we're
we're
looking
at
for
them.
50
market
rate
units,
25,
affordable
units.
I
G
Hospitable
attractive
we
need
to.
We
need
to
think
about
some
way
to
make
those
housing
units
have
a
good
sense
of
place.
C
We're
also
we're
also
very
cognizant
of
kind
of
the
market,
realities
and-
and
you
know
one
of
our
goals
with
this
project
from
the
beginning
and
where
we've
we
provide
a
lot
more
flexibility
in
the
code.
After
conver
lots
of
conversations
with
developers
and
property
owners
is
that
we,
we
probably
started
off
too
onerous
when
we
first
prepared
this
code
and
we
were
showing
pictures
of
biltmore
park,
town
squares
on
all
these
sites
and
in
reality,
there's
probably
not
a
market
reality
for
that
to
happen.
So,
what's
you
know?
C
Maybe
we
look
more
at
a
gerber
village
on
hendersonville
road
and
what
what
lessons
have
we
learned
from
from
that
development
that
was
approved?
You
know
a
number
of
years
ago
and
and
that's
kind
of
the
direction
that
we
we've
taken.
C
This
code
is
that
we,
what
we
don't
want
to
do
is
is
have
property
owners,
not
develop
these
sites
for
20
years,
because
the
code
is
so
onerous
that
it
has
to
be
has
to
be
realistic,
but
also
try
to
push
them
to
these
properties,
to
become
a
better
urban
form
and
try
to
integrate
housing
with
commercial.
Not
just
end
up
with
just
a
grocery
store
with
no
housing.
A
Todd
you
know
that
makes
me
think
about
hotels
as
examples.
Not
I
don't
mean
to.
Maybe
they
could
guide
us
into
these
square
footage
things,
because
these
hotels
that
are
doing
the
ground
floor,
retail
or
the
mid-level
restaurant,
I'm
thinking
of
that
one
over
by
grove
arcade
and
their
formula
is
already
there.
You
know,
and
these
are
hotel
rooms,
but
they're,
you
know
small
apartments.
A
I
wonder
if
that
we
should
look
at
their
model,
because
we
don't
have
too
many
models
in
existence
that
are
achieving
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
the
hotel
might
be
the
closest
another
thought
just
kind
of
like
zooming
way
out.
We
keep
it
referring
to
this
as
incentivizing
housing,
but
if
I'm
ingles
I'm
not
feeling
incentivized,
I'm
feeling
forced-
and
I
just
wonder
you
know,
are
we
doing
any
incentives?
Are
we
saying
we
tie
it
with
luigi?
Are
we
saying
we'll
put
your
bus
stops
in?
If
you
do
housing
affordably?
G
Well,
we
are.
We
are
sort
of
just
saying
that
if
you
want
more
than
20
000
square
feet,
you
have
to
build
it,
but
the
city
you
know
programs
would
be
available
to
them.
So.
G
I
mean
solely
big
boxes.
You
know
to
some
extent,
although
this
is
a
form
code.
G
We've
tried
to
be
flexible
enough
to
allow
a
70,
000
square
foot
store,
but
requiring
it
to
be
broken
up
in
a
way
that
it
doesn't
look
like
it's
one,
continuous
building
and
having
a
little
bit
of
a
plaza
in
a
center.
That
could
be
the
main
entrance,
so
we're
trying
to
integrate
better
design
but
being
flexible.
A
I
B
Or
can
we
so,
I
think
the
village
and
todd
do
you
feel
like
you've
gotten
some
input
here
to
think
about?
I
know
you're
not
asking
for
a
vote.
You
really
just
wanted
sort
of
conversation.
Do
you
feel
like
you've
gotten
what
you
came
here
for
today.
C
Absolutely
I
think,
we're
going
to
take
another
look
at
kind
of
the
formula
we're
using
with
this
speak
with
some
other
developers
to
to
really
make
sure
that
that
our
formulas
work
for
our
goal
of
trying
to
encourage
housing
and
affordable
housing
on
these
sites.
C
We've
got,
we've
got
some
time
like
I
said
I
think,
with
our
schedule,
just
kind
of
with
our
log
jam
of
where
we're
at
with
some
other
large
council
items
coming
up
in
the
next
few
months.
We've
got.
We've
got
some
mexican
to
take
a
look
at
this.
C
I
I
guess
just
you
know,
there's
another
question,
maybe
about
the
the
phasing
for
this.
You
know
what
we
we
haven't
taken:
a
look
at
the
actual
mall
area,
yet
to
see
how
this
code
might
apply
to
it,
but
I
would
imagine
when
we
do
there,
there
will
likely
be
some
differences
between
the
asheville,
mall
node
and
some
of
these
other
areas.
Just
because
of
the
much
greater
size
of
the
asheville
mall,
I
think
there's
more
opportunities
for
maybe
slightly
taller
buildings
than
these
other
locations.
C
For
example,
you
know
we,
we
might
have
some
time
to
take
a
look
at
that
now
over
the
next
few
months,
but
we
just
you
know
we
haven't
had
an
opportunity
yet
to
engage
the
property
owner
there
or
neighbors,
and-
and
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were.
You
know
trying
to
move
this
this
forward.
Since
it's
been
taking,
you
know,
taking
so
long
and
at
least
move
forward
with
phase
one,
but
if
you
all
have
any
input
on,
you
know
whether
or
not
to
integrate
the
actual
mall
area.
C
In
this
first
phase,
we
could
certainly
take
a
look
at
that
if
you're,
interested
or
or
just
keep
that
as
part
of
our
second
phase.
A
B
But
I
I
guess
I
don't
wanna
hold
up
phase
one.
I
think
you
know
we've
been
working
on
this
for
a
while,
and
it's
not
really
fair
to
property
owners
to
you
know,
keep
things
sort
of
in
limbo
for
a
long
long
time,
which
is
basically
what
we're
doing
so
I
mean
I'm.
Okay
with
and
again,
I
think,
cons.
The
actual
mall
project
is
going
to
be
a
humongous
thought,
provoking
craziness,
I
think
so
to
wrap
it
up
in
phase
one
I
think
is
going
to
be.
G
Yeah,
I
I
want
to
mention-
I
forgot
on
my
plate
to
discuss
at
least
briefly
was
that
we've
been
reaching
with
speaking
with
other
community
groups,
and
we
even
had
a
meeting
this
morning
with
can,
and
they
have
some
concerns
about.
A
couple
of
things
requesting
that
we
reduce
some
height
limits,
make
some
adjustments
to
setbacks
and
some
landscaping
issues.
So
just
to
kind
of
have
that,
on
the
record,
we're
still
trying
to
to
coordinate
with
our
neighborhood
friends
and
make
sure
that
everybody's
happy.
A
I
did
hear
from
some
neighborhood
groups,
and
screening
and
noise
from
the
rooftop
equipment
came
up
a
lot
kind
of
like
that
mission
or
deal
over
in
kennel
worth.
We
do
want
to
make
sure,
there's
some
kind
of
protection.
As
that,
then
we
do
that
for
big
buildings,
downtown
screening,
equipment
and
such,
but
it
should
be
layered
in.
D
G
B
So
we
are
going
to
move
on
to
agenda
item
number
three,
which
is
our
real
estate
update
and
we're
going
to
have
nikki
reed
present.
F
F
F
So
the
first
is
eight
river
arts
place,
and
this
is
a
property
formerly
known
as
14
riverside
drive,
it's
a
brick
building
in
the
heart
of
the
river
arts
district,
the
city
utilizes
this
site
as
public
bathrooms,
but
there
is
an
area
available
to
be
leased,
so
our
primary
use
is
the
public
bathrooms,
but
there's
also
this
opportunity
to
create
either
a
business
or
have
a
non-profit
utilize.
The
site,
and
the
goal
of
this
would
be
to
enhance
the
community
on
the
riverfront,
but
then
also
just
continue
to
provide
access
to
the
public
restrooms.
F
The
second
opportunity
is
a
10
acre
farm.
I
think
people
are
often
surprised
to
learn
that
the
city
has
land
that
it
owns
it's
in
and
behind
the
soccer
complex
out
in
azalea,
and
this
property
is
located
in
the
flood
plain
it's
near
the
city's
beneficial
fill
site,
so
it's
not
really
conducive
for
a
lot
of
land
uses
and
actually
farming
appears
to
be
the
highest
and
best
use.
So
we're
really
excited
about
this.
We've
been
using
using
it
as
a
farm
lease
for
about
the
past
10
years.
F
So
now
we're
really
going
to
open
the
process
up
for
more
more
participation
in
this
lease
opportunity,
so
jen.
If
you'll
go
to
the
next
slide,
we'll
see
a
picture.
This
is
a
beautiful
10-acre
site
that
the
city
has.
You
can
see
in
production
right
now.
This
picture
was
taken
several
years
ago,
so
the
10-acre
site.
F
When
we
looked
at
this
opportunity,
we
did
some
work
with
farmlink,
which
is
a
local
nonprofit
organization
that
seeks
to
connect
young
farmers
starting
out
with
existing
farmland.
We
worked
with
them
on
pricing
and
how
much
we
would
charge
for
this
site
that
rental
rate
right
now
is
estimated
around
320
per
month.
I
know
that
doesn't
sound
like
a
lot,
but
when
you
think
of
raw
land,
there's
really
no
amenities
on
site
water
would
need
to
be
pumped
from
the
nearby
river,
so
it's
basically
just
raw
land
and
using
this
for
farm
use.
F
So
next
slide
denim
and
what
you'll
see
here
is
the
interior
of
the
eight
river
arts
place
building.
So
it's
really
a
blank
slate.
It's
been
improved
and
renovated
to
really
capture
that
character
of
the
industrial
history
of
the
property.
It's
about
a
thousand
square
feet,
so
you're
kind
of
looking
at
that
there
and
you're
also
seeing
the
public
bathrooms
located
to
the
rear
of
the
property.
There's
an
outdoor
deck
area
and
about
13
parking
spaces.
F
F
So
just
talking
about
our
process.
So
when
we
approached
our
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
and
talked
about
what
we
wanted
to
do
to
really
seek
and
meet
equitable
outcomes
is
the
idea
of
front
loading.
The
process
with
potential
resources
for
tenants
and
so
you'll
see
here
ellen
has
reached
out
to
each
one
of
these
organizations
from
the
appalachian
sustainable
agriculture
project.
F
That's
asap
to
the
national
black
farmers
association
to
really
talk
to
each
of
these
organizations
about
how
they
could
partner
in
either
being
a
resource
for
potential
applicants
to
assist
with
the
paperwork
or
assist
with
the
farm
business
plan
or
to
also
provide
resources.
I
think
rafi
there.
They
have
a
a
farmers
of
color
network
where
they
actually
offer
grants
to
for
farmers
of
color,
so
we're
hopeful
that
that
can
be
a
resource
for
someone
to
really
have
an
equitable
process.
F
Here
we
also
have
invited
a
couple
of
these
stakeholders,
one
person
from
the
organic
growers
school
and
one
person
from
the
farmlink
organization
to
sit
on
our
selection
panel.
So
those
two
staff
will
join
city
staff
in
being
part
of
our
selection
panel.
So
we're
really
excited
about
having
these
partners
not
only
participate
as
resources,
but
also
in
getting
the
word
out
and
really
sharing
that
this
opportunity
is
available
to
members
of
our
community.
F
So
if
you'll
go
to
the
next
slide,
jenna
you'll
see
that
we've
done
the
same.
For
eight
river
arts.
We
wanted
to
have
the
same
approach
to
really
encourage
equity
and
really
think
about
how
resources
can
be
aligned
with
the
opportunity
and
so
reaching
out
in
advance
to
mountain
bis,
works
to
evil
market
street
development.
F
Corporation
kosyink
asha
adams
has
been
a
colleague
that
we've
reached
out
to
and
really
talked
with
her
about
this
opportunity
extensively,
and
I
think
she's
gonna
sit
on
our
selection
panel
as
well,
and
so
we're
really
excited
about
the
idea
of
having
an
equity
lens
to
this
process,
and
so
we
do
have
an
existing
city
lease
policy.
It's
a
policy
that
governs
how
we
approach
leases
for
the
city
of
asheville
and
for
eight
river
arts
place.
This
actually
might
might
be
something
to
consider.
F
F
F
And
then
that
will
culminate
in
a
june
22nd
due
date.
We
feel
like
this
is
a
good,
healthy
amount
of
time
to
really
allow
businesses
to
really
think
through
these
proposals,
and
then
the
selection
panel
will
come
together,
review
these
proposals
and
then
hopefully
late
summer.
You
all
will
hear
back
from
us
on
the
outcomes
and
the
recommendations
and
then
pending
your
endorsement,
will
proceed
to
council
sometime
in
late
fall.
F
So
we've,
hopefully
given
a
lot
of
time
for
this,
with
our
farm
lease
specifically
we'll
set
to
commence,
perhaps
in
january
of
next
year,
to
allow
the
farmer
planning
and
then
hopefully
be
in
the
ground
sometime
in
march
or
april,
and
then
our
eight
river
arts
lease
might
be
a
little
bit
sooner
than
that.
We're
hoping
that
that
lease
can
commence.
This
fall
so
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
but
again
just
wanted
to
provide
out
an
informational
resource
for
you
all
to
see
some
exciting
things
we're
doing
in
real
estate.
B
Yeah,
this
is
exciting,
it's
wondering
now
will
we
we
would
put
out
a
press
release
tomorrow,
saying
these
okay
good.
F
Absolutely
we
have
a
freshly
tdus
with
our
cape
office
and
so
they're
ready
to
publish
that
good.
I
I
was
just
checking
with
the
build-out
be
able
to
accommodate
any
type
of
food
services.
F
It
will
be
able
to
accommodate
some
limited
catering.
In
fact,
that's
the
way
that
that
office
building
is
structured,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
room
for
any
kind
of
kitchen,
but
there
is.
There
has
been
catering
done
there
in
the
past,
so
that
might
be
the
limit
of
the
offering
there.
A
F
Well,
we
appreciate
ellen,
I
mean,
I
think
part
of
the
equity
approach
is
really
taking
the
time
to
reach
out
and
cultivate
those
relationships
and
provide
those
resources,
or
at
least
that
opportunity
for
resource.
So
I
appreciate
that
ellen
has
made
that
personal
connection
to
each
organization
and
really
boarded
a
lot
of
partners.
That's
great
thanks.
Ellen.
I
Yeah
great
work,
great
work,
one
other
thing
I
would
like
to
ask
and
the
reason
I'm
sorry,
but
what
is
the
best
use
for
that
particular
building
the
one
in
the
river
arts
district
is
it
zone
for
specific,
specific
use.
F
F
So
that's
something
that
that
could
be
useful
there.
Although
I
think
we
really
want
to
see
an
active
use
along
the
river
to
really
activate
the
space
exactly
yeah.
So
I
think
we'll
be
interested
to
see
interested
to
see
what
what
comes
up.
B
Okay,
so
now
we're
on
to
agenda
item
number
four
and
we're
gonna
go
to
move
into
public
comment.
Jenna
do
we
have
any
any
callers
and
if,
if
so,
we
will
have
the
public
comments
and
limit
that
to
three
million
three
minutes:
three
million.
What
am
I
talking
about?
Jenna?
Do
we
have
anybody
listening
or
that
wants
to
comment?
B
There's
no
one
in
the
queue?
Oh,
but
I'm
sure
there
are
thousands
of
people
that
are
watching,
but
city
staff
has
answered
all
their
questions,
etc.
So
I
know
there
are
thousands
out
there
that
are
that
are
listening
into
our
fascinating
ped
meeting.
Okay.
Well,
since
we
don't
have
any
public
comments
and
we
didn't
get
any
emails
ahead
of
time,
I'll
go
ahead
and
adjourn
this
meeting
and
see
you
all
tomorrow
at
our
budget
meetings.