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B
Good
morning,
I'm
vice
mayor,
shanika
smith
and
chair
of
the
public
safety
committee.
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
february
25th
meeting.
All
council,
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
We
are
streaming
live
on
the
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website.
B
And
enter
in
the
code
9477
for
today's
meeting.
We
have
the
option
for
people
to
call
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and
comment
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to
call
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your
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press
star,
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pressing
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3,
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allow
the
callers
to
continue
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listen,
live
and
join
the
speaker
queue
as
stated
on
the
agenda.
Public
comment
would
now
be
heard
at
the
beginning
and
the
end
of
public
safety
meetings.
B
B
B
Fire
chief
scott
burnett
good
morning,
police
chief
david
zack
good
morning,
and
I
think
we
have
some
other
folks
who
will
be
presenting
later
during
specific
agenda
items
and
we'll
start
the
committee
meeting
now
with
public
comment.
Do
we
have
anyone
in
a
speaker
cube
for
public
comment.
E
E
The
seven
day
warning
was
established
in
2014
and
for
many
years
we
had
that
policy
without
having
that
pattern,
it's
a
false
correlation
that
the
warning
is
the
factor
causing
that
pattern.
People
do
not
flock
to
campsites
after
a
warning
has
been
issued.
Instead,
people
typically
begin
trickling
out.
Second,
I
was
very
concerned
about
how
the
new
policy
came
into
effect.
E
E
After
doing
some
digging,
it
seems
that
that
was
true
because
it
involved
a
budget
element
with
the
printing
of
the
resource
cards,
since
this
shift
backwards
did
not
involve
with
budget
change.
I
see
that
as
technically
legal,
but
extremely
shady
that
it
was
made
behind
closed
doors
after
that
was
decided.
Last
spring
apd
then
acted
on
the
new
informal
policy
for
nearly
10
months,
while
their
written
policies
still
affected
the
seven
day
warning
it
is
the
common
thing
for
publicly
funded
entities
to
be
required
to
abide
by
their
written
policies.
E
Is
it
not
both
elements
of
this
policy
change,
in
my
opinion,
are
both
ethically
wrong
and
potentially
illegal.
Third,
another
concern
is
that
apd
has
stated
that
they
will
use
body
cam
footage
to
document
that
they
have
visited
a
campsite
to
provide
warnings
initiating
the
24
to
48
hour
wait
period.
In
my
experience
doing
years
of
camp
outreach,
campers
are
not
present
at
their
campsite
up
to
75
percent
of
the
time,
since
apd
is
no
longer
providing
the
warning
cards.
This
means
that
the
majority
of
the
campers
will
get
no
warning
time
at
all.
E
E
Fourth,
if
you
have
noticed
some
asheville
citizens
will
always
be
congratulatory
when
a
camp
is
affected
and
some
will
be
outraged.
This
is
true.
If
the
campsite
has
three
weeks
notice
or
zero,
the
outcome
is
the
same
for
you
with
both
stimuli.
So
why
not
do
it
in
the
more
humane
way
to
not
do
so
is
cruel
and
for
no
reason,
as
it's
clear
the
seven
day
notice
is
not
the
factor
that
changes
camp
size.
F
Jenna,
this
is
great
martinez.
I
sent
you
the
slideshow.
F
You
appreciate
this
previous.
The
previous
caller's
comments,
I
think
youtube
is
like
a
little
bit
delayed,
so
I'm
when
I'm
presenting
this
I'm
just
going
to
go
by
what
I'm
seeing
up
here.
If
that
makes
sense,.
A
Yep
it's
up
now
and
just
let
me
know
when
to
advance
slides.
I
know
it'll
be
a
little
bit
tricky
with
the
delay.
F
Okay,
yeah
I'm
going
to
move
pretty
quickly.
High
public
safety
committee
wanted
to
come
back
to
you
today
with
these
slides
from
the
information
I
shared
a
tuesday
school
council
meeting,
because
I
think
this
would
be
an
excellent
opportunity
to
get
some
clarification
from
david
zack.
Who
is
here,
while
you
have
him
in
this
meeting,
it
looks
like
you
might
have
mike
lam
too,
who
brought
this
false
data
to
you
on
january,
11,
to
blame
crimeline
on
house
folks
and
make
policy
changes
like
the
one
you're
going
to
talk
about
today.
F
F
Is
the
next
slide
up
in
our
five-year
trends?
We
can
see
that
both
9-1-1
calls
and
arrests
peaks
in
2019,
so
a
little
narrative
about
crime
in
our
city
is
actually
also
false,
we're
actually
in
a
decline
by
911
incidents
and
arrests,
which
I
think
is
really
important
to
keep
in
mind
throughout
this.
F
F
The
police
have
claimed
that
there's
a
high
proportion
of
all
crime
occurs
near
homeless,
encampment
and
based
on
their
own
data.
These
locations
could
be
as
simple
as
a
single
car,
an
rv
or
a
single
on-house
person.
They
also
use
these
sites
across
all
time.
So
if
somebody
was
there
for
say
one
day,
they
would
say
here:
let's
take
two
years
of
data
around
this,
they
cited
10
of
22,
000,
total
crime
within
500
feet
and
22
within
a
thousand
feet.
Let's
go
to
the
next
slide.
F
If
you
geotag
the
police
address
and
measure
the
difference
around
them,
you
can
find
that
14.7
percent
of
arrests
only
occur
within
500
feet
and
27.1
within
a
thousand
feet.
However,
if
you
take
a
completely
unrelated
set
of
data
with
local
bars
and
restaurants
and
establishments,
you
will
find
almost
identical
results
with
14.1
percent
of
arrests
within
500
feet
and
26.2
within
a
thousand
next
slide.
Please
almost
every
police
site
that
was
labeled
as
a
homeless
encampment
corresponds
to
a
populated
business
area.
Crime
occurs
where
people
live
work
and
spend
time
next
slide.
F
Please
so
here's
some
visualizations
around
this.
This
is
their
thousand
foot
radius.
As
you
can
see,
many
of
these
radiuses
were
overlapping,
which
we'll
talk
about
in
a
second
next
slide.
Please
so
correlation
does
not
equal
causation.
I
learned
it
in
statistics
in
high
school
and
it's
become
useful
to
me
again.
Our
unhoused
population
is
not
responsible
for
a
wave
of
crime
across
the
city,
and
this
again
has
our
arrests
and
calls
next
slide.
Please.
F
The
we've
definitely
had
a
problem
with
duplicate
counting
they
you
can
see
in
the
this
is
the
data
that
was
used
to
create
this.
That
was
given
to
us
via
the
city
and
they
counted
places
up
to
six
times
next
slide.
Please
grace.
B
Thank
you
to
our
two
callers
and
we'll
have
a
presentation
or
a
discussion
later
on
about.
A
B
G
G
G
We
know
that
we
have
over
150
people
currently
on
the
streets
as
code
purple,
shelters,
close
they'll
be
83
more
people
added
to
that
number.
We
do
not
have
enough
shelter
space
for
our
unhoused
neighbors
right
now.
I
called
this
morning
to
ask
about
available
beds
at
shelters,
and
I
got
the
following
information.
The
salvation
army
has
a
waiting
list
with
no
beds
available.
G
They
require
id.
The
western
carolina,
rescue
ministries
has
five
men's
beds
and
a
couple
of
women's
beds.
They
also
require
id
and
also
require
you
to
be
fully
vaccinated
and
show
proof
of
vaccination
via
a
vaccination
card.
The
veterans
restoration
quarters
may
have
three
beds
available
for
veterans.
Only
transformation
village
has
no
beds
available
and
a
long
waiting
list.
I
was
told
it
would
take
months
to
get
in
and
to
call
every
tuesday
to
keep
my
name
on
the
list.
G
B
All
right
I'll
move
to
the
next
part
of
the
agenda
and
just
to
the
callers
mentioned
some
items
that
will
be
covered
later
by
chief
zach.
So
we'll
have
a
discussion
about
the
standard
operational
procedure
changes.
B
Can
I
get
a
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
C
B
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote
for
approval,
councilwoman
kilgore
approved
councilman
roni.
I
myself
I
minutes
have
been
approved.
Next
item
is
regarding
the
purchase
of
a
mobile
command
bus
to
enhance
emergency
management
response.
Chief
scott
burnett
is
going
to
start
us
off
and
I
believe
he
probably
has
somebody
else
to
present.
D
I
Good
morning
vice
mayor
smith
and
council,
woman,
ronin
council,
I
apologize
gilborn
kilgore,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
chris.
I'm
have
the
pleasure
of
serving
as
your
deputy
fire
chief
and
I
want
to
introduce
an
exciting
program
that
we
are
embarking
on,
which
is
a
mobile
command
vehicle.
I
If
you
could
advance
the
slide,
please
so
here's
here's
an
example
of
what
the
vehicle
may
look
like
once
it
arrives,
but
I
wanted
to
tell
you
how
it'll
be
used
and
we
can
use
that
example,
as
we
walk
through
the
following
couple:
slides
the
incident
that
occurred
on
I-240
recently,
where
we
had
a
bridge
struck
by
a
large
truck.
I
That's
an
example
of
an
all
hazards
incident
where
a
lot
of
agencies,
both
city
county
and
state,
had
to
come
together
to
determine
how
to
mitigate
the
incident,
how
to
take
care
of
the
public
and
how
to
detour
around
it
and
how
to
make
the
incident
safe.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
that
included
the
fire
department,
the
police
department,
transportation
department,
public
works,
northland
d.o.t
and,
amongst
others,
like
utility
folks.
I
We
all
work
really
well
together
in
the
unified
command
system,
but
we
could
work
better
together
if
we
could
come
together
in
a
central
location
that
is
located
on
the
scene
that
provides
us
with
a
conference
ability
and
office
space.
That's
really
the
essence
of
what
this
vehicle
does
is:
provide
that
office
space
to
come
together
and
the
ability
to
conference
and
to
utilize
data
and
networks
to
make
informed
decisions
on
how
to
adjust
traffic
flow
like
utilizing
something
as
simple
as
ways
which
we
all
have
access
to.
I
If
we
come
together,
we're
able
to
do
that
as
one
unified
command
team
to
determine
where
our
best
flow
of
traffic
could
be
that's
somewhat
of
an
example
of
how
this
vehicle
could
be
used
among
many
other
ways.
So
it's
in
essence
at
its
core,
an
office
space
with
conference
space
and
also
a
isolated
data,
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
we
can
provide
you,
know,
internet
connections
and
phones,
and
that
sort
of
thing.
So
so
we
can
all
work
together.
I
Well,
so
if
you
could
provide
us
or
slide
to
the
next
slide,
please
so
in
the
mobile
command
vehicle.
I
mentioned
the
court,
it's
all
about
coordination
and
collaboration
and
allowing
us
to
communicate
better
as
an
incident
command
team
on
that
incident,
to
make
it
safe
for
our
community
and
also
to
make
sure
that
we're
maintaining
safety
for
our
first
responders
that
are
responding
to
the
incident
and
the
first
responders
I
speak
of
is
everything
from
police
fire
transportation,
water,
anybody
that
is
responding
to
that
incident
to
help
make
it
safe.
I
We
utilize
the
national
incident
management
system
as
a
city,
and
that's
what
defines
for
us
what
the
unified
command
system
looks
like.
So
they
we
provide
training
to
our
staff
at
all
levels
on
how
to
actually
work
together,
and
this
vehicle
allows
us
to
really
provide
the
the
highest
level
of
unified
command
that
we
can
on
that
incident
scene.
I
It
allows
us
to
operate
operationalize
our
emergency
operations
plan
and
part
of
that
is
not
just
the
response,
but
also
the
recovery.
So
it
allows
us
to
provide
the
continuum
of
continuum
of
care
from
the
the
beginning
of
the
incident
all
the
way
through
the
recovery
of
the
community
at
the
end
of
it,
and
all
incidents
begin
local
and
they
end
local.
That's
just
that's
how
they
work,
so
this
allows
us
a
presence
and
to
meet
the
community
where
they
are
throughout
the
duration
of
the
incident.
I
It
doesn't
end
when
the
you
know
the
fire
trucks
go
home,
it
continues
through
the
taking
care
of
the
residents
and
all
of
the
the
whole
everybody
that's
involved
in
the
situation.
I
Another
benefit
of
this
vehicle
allows
for
us
to
actualize
our
continuity
of
government
plan.
So
if
we
lose
a
space
say
to
a
due
to
a
cyber
attack,
if
it
needs
a
space
to
be
able
to
recover
from
that
cyber
attack,
this
provides
us
the
ability
to
to
feed
you
know
utilities
into
the
vehicles
such
as
data
from
the
internet
and
phones
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
that
they
can
help
manage
their
incident
as
well,
and
then
it
allows
us
to
provide
kind
of
the
common
theme
through
all.
I
I
So
how
do
we
come
about
this?
So
we
had
a
mobile
command
vehicle
which
was
decommissioned
in
2005
because
it
outlasted
its
lifetime.
To
be
honest,
it
actually
sits
at
the
salvage
station
if
you
have
been
there
as
a
judge
vehicle.
So
since
2005
we've
had
this
need
that
we
have
not
been
able
to
procure
and
replace
so.
The
discussion
has
been
also
with
our
all
hazards
committee.
I
That
is
part
of
the
that
our
emergency
management
chief
manages,
and
that
includes
every
single
department
in
the
city,
getting
together
on
a
quarterly
basis
determining
how
we,
how
can
we
manage
all
hazard
events
better,
and
this
was
identified
as
one
of
the
ways
that
we
can
do
that.
I
So,
in
september
of
this
year
we
began
identified
a
vendor
and
a
solution,
and
we
started
working
with
afd
or
excuse
me,
apd
and
fleet,
to
determine
how
feasible
it
would
be
to
to
purchase
a
vehicle
like
this
and
due
to
some
supply
chain
issues.
Obviously
I
think
most
are
aware
that
small
vehicles
are
very
difficult
to
procure
right
now
because
of
multiple
supply
issues
and
the
the
need
that
we
had
for
the
vehicle,
along
with
the
the
vendor
having
a
readily
available
chassis.
I
The
decision
was
made
to
to
move
in
this
direction,
so
the
vehicle
has
an
overall
cost
of
a
million
dollars
and
our
tentative
delivery
date,
for
it
is
this
fall.
So
with
that
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
H
Thank
you,
deputy
chief
budzinski.
This
is
kim
rhony.
I
had
a
couple
questions
around
this
one
is,
since
we
haven't
had
this
mobile
command
vehicle
option
since
2005.
I
appreciate
the
example
of
the
situation
with
the
interstate
recently
with
the
wreck
that
happened.
Do
we
have
some
examples
from
when
we
had
a
mobile
command
vehicle
of
when
it
was
in
use
in
our
community.
I
Sure
sure
in
2004
the
city
was
in
the
direct
path
of,
I
believe,
two
hurricanes
back
to
back
in,
like
two
in
a
two
week.
Time
frame
that
vehicle
was
used
extensively
during
those
floods
to
help
manage
the
specific
incidents
that
were
occurring,
then
that
was
probably
the
closest
to
when
that
vehicle
was
decommissioned.
H
And
then,
when
I
think
about
fleet
maintenance,
longevity
and
just
like
the
long
range
vision,
are
there
any
municipalities
that
are
looking
for
this
kind
of
vehicle
that
doesn't
only
rely
on
fossil
fuels
fuels?
Is
there
any
future
hope
or
possibility
of
for
say,
like
a
hybrid
vehicle,
for
something
of
this
size.
I
H
Yeah,
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
tour
buses
that
are
moving
to
even
fully
electric
just
because
we
don't
want
to
see
this
vehicle
sitting
in
a
parking
lot,
because
we
don't
have
a
way
to
run
it
without
the
right
fuels,
but
also
the
social
environmental
responsibility
that
we
have
so
for
future
reference.
Those
will
be
similar
questions
that
I'll
ask
about
plea:
okay,
very
helpful.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
I
had
a
question
about
when,
when
is
it
useful,
like
what
type
of
situation
would
activate
its
use?.
I
Yes,
ma'am,
that's
a
great
question
so
anytime
that
we
have
a
long-term
event,
so
one
that
was
going
to
last
for
several
hours
and
also
involves
multi
multi-jurisdictions
or
a
single
like
for
f.
Let
me
give
an
example,
a
fire
example.
So,
in
a
in
a
fire
most
of
our
moderate
risk
fires
such
as
house
fires
and
high-risk
fires,
such
as
house
fires,
we
are
able
to
manage
and
mitigate
those
incidents
within
about
a
three-hour
time
frame
with
a
two-person
incident
management
team,
but
a
larger
fire.
I
Besides,
a
single-family
dwelling
such
as
an
apartment
building
that
fire
is
going
to
last
longer
and
be
more
complex
and
require
more
of
a
command
team
to
manage
that
incident,
along
with
more
outside
resources
from
to
help
with
sheltering
and
taking
care
of
the
occupants
because
of
the
scale
and
complexity
of
that
type
of
incident.
So
that
is
for,
like
a
fire
event,
would
be
a
common
use
for
the
vehicle
and
then
any
other
event
where
we're
going
to
have
multiple
jurisdictions
working
together.
I
B
I
So
we
because
of
the
need
for
a
vehicle
like
this,
you
know
at
the
local
level
and
how
long
it
could
be
used
for
it
could
definitely
be
a
shared
resource,
but
it's
also
important
for
it
to
be
a
city
resource
at
the
same
time,
so
the
the
funding
piece.
I
I
can't
it
can't.
I
don't
know
how
that
could
be.
It
could
be
shared
with
the
county
or
with
this
state.
We
have
talked
with
the
state
about
assistance
in
the
past,
but
that
hasn't
come
to
fruition.
We
have
been
successful
with
a
piece
of
this
unit.
It's
not
tied
to
this
specific
purchase,
but
our
communications
unit
that
the
fire
department
has
is
through
a
grant
program
with
the
state
and
that
will
support
this
unit
with
all
of
the
communications
and
data
pieces
of
it.
B
Okay,
because
I'm
just
kind
of
paralleling
this
with
our
9-1-1
consolidation,
it
is
very
close
and
how
we
have
this
co-responder
model.
So
knowing
that
other
entities,
towns
and
small
you
know
jurisdictions
around
the
asheville
area
and
within
buncombe
county
will
be
utilizing
this
greatly
then,
but
but
I
do
understand,
for
the
purpose
of
the
city
to
have
this
as
a
personal
asset
or
a
city
asset.
I
get
that,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
see
based
on
the
shared
use
if
there
can
be
a
level
of
shared
cost
responsibility.
H
H
I
hear
the
urgency,
because
of
the
possibility
and
being
able
to
have
access
to
this
vehicle
at
this
time
and
there's
this
in
addition
to
the
could
we
there's
the
should
we
and
so
whether
it's
is
this
the
right
vehicle
and
then
also
can
we
share
the
cost?
Should
we
make
that
recommendation
out
of
this
committee
to
the
full
council
before
a
purchase
is
finalized?
H
B
Will
just
say
to
chief
scott
and
what
is
the
budzinski?
I
don't
want
to
badger
that
can.
Can
we
just
get
a
deeper
analysis
on
use
and
some
cost
and
now,
like
a
cost
analysis
as
well.
We
need
to
compare
to
see
if
what
councilwoman
rony
mentioned
would
be
feasible
and
also
just
kind
of
give
this
committee
a
deeper
understanding
about
a
shared
use
and
if
there
is
a
potential
for
a
match,
a
match.
B
Whatever
do
you
have,
because
I
know
it's.
J
J
B
About
how
we're
going
to
find
funds
to
purchase
it.
J
Now
that
the
the
departments
have
already
pulled
their
resources
from
fleet
management
and
prioritized
this
as
the
the
major
purchase,
because
for
right
now
we
can't
purchase,
we
can't
hardly
purchase
small
vehicles
and
we
actually
because
of
the
shortage
in
our
workforce.
J
D
Absolutely
yes,
ma'am,
and
so
each
year
as
council
knows
the
as
part
of
our
overall
budget,
there
are
dollars
that
are
approved
as
part
of
our
adopted
budget
for
fleet
acquisition,
fleet
replacement,
a
lot
of
vehicles
are
purchased
out
of
those
approved
adopted
budget.
What
we
do
as
staff
after
council
approves
the
amount
of
funds
that
are
going
to
be
used
for
fleet
is
with
our
fleet
manager,
who
does
an
incredible
job
of
helping
prioritize.
D
What
is
the
most
efficient
and
responsible
use
of
those
dollars
and
seeks
input
from
department
directors
as
to
what
are
your
highest
priorities?
And
that's
exactly
what
has
occurred
this
year?
We've
had
this
need
since
2005.,
and
it
it
certainly
the
other
competing
needs
have
have
always
been
greater
than
this
need.
D
The
the
things
that
have
happened
related
to
availability
of
other
types
of
vehicles
that
we
can't
get
and
also
the
pandemic
and
the
increasing
occurrence
of
emergencies
and
disasters
in
our
community
certainly
have
driven
this
resource
as
our
top
priority,
and
so
the
funds
have
already
been
approved
in
the
current
budget,
and
it
is
a
matter
of
you
know.
The
departments
with
our
fleet
director
saying
you
know
what
what
is
our
highest
priority
as
we
replace
these
vehicles,
and
so
that's
that's.
D
That's
the
history
as
far
as
how
that
and
as
ms
campbell
stated
very
correctly,
the
availability
of
these
types
of
vehicles
because
of
the
the
supply
chain
where,
where
it
is
in
2022,
is,
is
minimal,
and
this
is
an
opportunity,
an
opportunity
that
this
vendor
is
going
to
build
this
vehicle
for
the
city
of
asheville,
because
they
they
have
that
chassis
and
we
absolutely
have
some
current
models
of
cost
sharing,
as
chief
bazinski
had
talked
about
that
with
our
other
regional
resources
that
as
this
as
this
is
used
by
other
jurisdictions,
other
places
in
western
north
carolina
a
reimbursement
for
that.
D
We
already
have
a
model
and
we
we
absolutely
can
and
will
put
that
into
play
with
this
resource.
As
it's
used
regionally.
B
Okay,
kim
has
a
question.
Thank
you
for
answering
my
question
on.
There
kim
has
a
question
and
then
willow
sandra.
D
Yes,
ma'am
so
buncombe
county
actually,
as
part
of
their
arpa
request.
Our
emergency
services
director
taylor
jones-
that
was
that,
was
a
a
significant
request
that
he
had
also
placed
in
in
the
county
budget
process
that
that
was
a
decision
that
was
made
after
he
talked
with
all
of
the
fire
chiefs
in
buncombe
county.
As
to
what
is
your,
what
is
your
biggest
need?
D
What
is
your
biggest
need
for
resource
as
far
as
being
able
to
utilize
things,
and
I
don't
want
to
misspeak,
but
I
believe
that
the
decision
the
county
was
to
to
similar,
to
what
we're
doing
is
to
look
at
that
through
their
budget
process
rather
than
using
arpa
funds.
But
yes,
ma'am.
Absolutely.
This
is
not
only
a
conversation
here
locally,
but
it's
just
one
within
our
county
and
certainly
within
our
region.
H
D
Yes,
my
understanding
is
is
the
the
goal
of
today
is
for
information
sharing.
You
know
this.
This.
These
funds
have
are
part
of
the
council
action
that
approved
the
adopted
budget,
and
we
wanted
to
to
make
sure
that
the
public
safety
committee
had
this
information
to.
You
know
talk
about
this
this
resource.
It
is
a
significant
cost,
just
just
as
a
lot
of
our
emergency
vehicles
ladder
trucks,
things
of
that
nature
are
all
in
this,
this
price
range,
and
so
we
certainly
wanted
to
to
share
that
information
with
the
public
safety
committee.
C
Okay,
so
in
other
words,
let's
get
scott
on
this-
that
you're
basically
saying
that
basically
you're
just
giving
us
information,
it's
not
anything
that
we
would
have
to
approve
or
vote
on
is
that
right?
Okay,
great
yeah?
Okay,
that's
fine!
What
I
want
to
ask
you:
what
is
the
youth?
I
know
you
said
the
other
one
in
2005,
as
you
know,
sort
of
you
know
sort
of
no
use
now.
What's
the
useful
life
of
this
particular
vehicle.
D
Excellent
question
answer
the
question:
so
the
vehicles
that
are
in
this
price
range-
and
I
use
our
ladder,
trucks
or
rescue
trucks.
As
an
example,
we
we
typically
have
a
12-year
useful
life.
This
is
very
unique
in
in
that
the
use
of
this
is
going
to
be
very
different
than
our
ladder,
trucks
that
are
responding
to
emergencies
daily.
This
this
likely
have
a
20-year
life
span,
and
so
we
we
would
likely
be
looking
at
upgrading
this
vehicle
in
about
20
years.
B
Well,
thank
you
for
sharing
all
the
information
and
thank
you
to
the
committee
for
the
questions
that
you
posed
just
to
give
us
a
deeper
understanding
about
which
direction
we're
going.
I
think
this
is
a
timely
discussion,
even
what's
going
on
in
the
world
and
our
meeting
that
we
had
around
emergency
management
with
other
count
folks
within
the
county.
Good
luck!
I'm
ready
to
see
this
thing
useful,
I'm
most
concerned
about
how
we
respond
in
our
recovery
efforts
in
vulnerable
communities.
B
So,
if
there's
any
follow-up
about
how
we
service
vulnerable
communities
and
our
special
needs
elderly
during
situations,
I
would
like
that
to
be
a
part
of
maybe
a
follow-up
discussion,
so
we
know
exactly
who's
going
to
get
the
best
and
highest
use
and
where
we
need
to
put
the
most
care
all
right,
we'll
move
on.
Thank
you.
Chief,
scott.
L
L
B
You're,
starting
with
your
presentation,
what
we're
doing
is
we're
discussing
the
the
procedural
changes
with
the
homeless
encampment
removals.
L
Oh,
I'm
sorry
I
thought
yep.
I
had
my
order
confused,
so
I
apologize
for
that.
On
january,
11th,
apd
and
city
staff
presented
a
council
proposed
changes
to
our
policy
related
to
illegal
camping.
L
The
major
revision,
of
course
to
that
existing
policy
was
a
change
from
a
seven-day
notice
to
end
trespassing
to
a
24-hour
notice.
The
rationale
for
that
change
was
based
on
legal
considerations,
crime
data
activist
activity,
public
health,
but
most
importantly,
public
safety.
L
Captain
mike
lam
represented
apd,
homeless
services
system
performance,
lead,
emily
ball
represented
the
city
and
apd
crime,
analyst
doug
ozier
provided
the
necessary
data.
All
three
are
here
to
briefly
kind
of
recap
and
answer
specific
questions
that
the
committee
has
and
I
I
believe,
emily
we
were
gonna
start
with
you.
M
Good
morning
glad
to
be
with
you
all,
I'm
emily
ball,
I'm
in
the
community
and
economic
development
department
here
at
the
city.
As
you
know,
we,
the
city
of
asheville,
is
the
continuum
of
care
lead,
which
is
a
hud
framework
related
to
the
work
of
ending
homelessness,
and
my
job
is
related
to
that,
and
in
that
capacity
our
role
is
really
to
develop
and
support
a
homeless
service
system
that
can
quickly
resolve
housing
crises.
So
we
want
to
be
always
moving
beyond
managing
homelessness,
to
really
ending
homelessness.
M
It's
absolutely
our
our
purpose
and
our
focus
and
a
real
guiding
value
for
me
and
guiding
value
for
us
at
the
city
around
that
work
is
that
homeless.
People
are
not
the
problem.
People
experiencing
homelessness
are
people
who
are
in
crisis.
Homelessness
is
the
problem
and
that's
the
problem
that
we
want
to
continually
be
solving
and
part
of
the
way
we
do
that
at
the
city
is
through
funding,
of
course,
and
particularly
funding
interventions
that
will
actually
end
homelessness.
That
will
be
solutions
to
those
housing
crises.
M
Some
examples
of
those
are
homer
balanced
days
in
project
and
the
step
up
project
at
the
ramada.
Between
the
two
of
those
we
will
have
185
new
units
of
permanent
supportive
housing
coming
online,
which
is
incredible.
It's
largest
infusion
of
that
type
of
intervention.
Our
community
has
ever
had
so
really
exciting
developments
on
the
way
we
also
fund
or
manage
federal
funding
for
homeless
services
like
emergency
shelters
and
street
outreach
positions
at
homerebound.
M
We're
currently
funding
two
outreach
positions
based
at
home
rebound
and
then,
since
the
pandemic,
the
city
has
really
expanded
funding
for
homeless
services
in
an
unprecedented
way.
In
my
experience
as
a
community
member
right
now,
we
are
providing
funding
for
code
purple
at
abccm,
we're
also
funding
nightly
shelter
at
trinity,
united
methodist
and,
of
course,
I've
been
funding
their
armada
since
april
of
last
year.
M
I'm
excited
to
tell
you
that
at
this
moment,
over
half
of
the
folks
at
the
ramada
are
enrolled
in
housing
programs
and
just
waiting
for
a
unit
to
become
available
so
really
exciting
outcomes
coming
out
of
that,
and
I
think
where
we
are,
is
that
we
want
to
really
build
on
what
we've
learned
from
all
of
those
interventions
that
we've
been
supporting
during
the
pandemic.
M
M
So
when
city
staff
are
notified
of
a
camp
on
public
property,
our
first
step
is
to
ask
homer
bound
outreach
to
visit
that
location.
To
connect
with
those
folks
and
the
goal
of
that
homeward
bound
outreach
is
to
be
sure
that
people
are
aware
of
services
that
they
have
a
meaningful
opportunity
to
engage
with
those
services.
Homeward
bound
is
able
to
provide
transportation
if
that's
helpful
and
the
primary
goal
is
really
to
work
with
people
on
housing.
Options,
of
course,
again
always
want
to
be
really
working
on
ending
homelessness.
M
Connecting
people
with
pathways
out
of
homelessness
when
homer
bound
is
doing
that.
They're
also
making
sure
that
people
are
aware
that
they're
on
public
property,
that
camping
isn't
permitted
homerbound's,
not
giving
them
sort
of
notice
that
they
can't
be
there,
but
wanting
to
be
sure
that
people
are
aware
of
where
they
are
aware
of
the
ordinance
aware
of
their
options,
give
people
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
move
and
to
minimize
any
interaction
with
law
enforcement.
We
want
to
do
that
as
much
as
possible
and
then
past
that
point.
M
If
people
continue
to
camp
apd's
obligation
is
to
provide
them
with
that
notice
that
they
can't
continue
to
be
there,
and
I
think
captain
bland
will
talk
more
about
that.
But
I
also
wanted
to
tell
you
that
we
are
exploring
the
possibility
of
additional
city
staff
resources
that
might
be
able
to
fill
that
role
instead
and
also
be
able
to
work
with
people
on
solutions
when
they're
camping.
So
again,
we
want
to
minimize
apd
involvement.
B
Emily,
I
have
a
question
for
you.
I
think
I'm
a
conflict
of
where
people
go
once
they
the
encampment,
is
removed.
Now
one
voice
would
say
that
there
are
shelter
beds
available
and
then
other
voices
represent
that
there
aren't
a
lot
of
options
available.
Could
you
kind
of
make
that
clear
to
us
when
a
person
is
has
received
notice
and
they're
told
to
leave
what
options
are
available
to
them
and
are
there
actually
vacancies.
M
I
honestly
think
both
of
the
things
you
said
are
true,
that
there
are
options
available
to
people,
and
sometimes
those
options
are
at
capacity
or
those
options
are
not
a
good
fit
for
their
needs,
and
that's
again
where
our
function
is.
My
function
is
to
really
continue
to
build
out
what
those
options
are.
M
I
can't
captain
lamb
actually
may
be
better
able
to
speak
to
this.
I
can't
I
can't
give
you
data
and
I
can't
give
you
a
kind
of
blanket
response
to
that,
because
it's
so
individual,
it
really
depends
on
the
situation
of
the
particular
person
and
and
what
they
you
know
have
they
stayed
in
shelters
before
and
are
not
willing
to
go
back
to
those
options.
They're
able
to
go
back
to
those
options.
Have
they
not
tried
those
shelters?
Maybe
they
are
open
to
that?
I
think
it.
M
B
C
Just
like
that's
a
question,
this
may
be
a
little.
You
know
off
the
beaten
path,
but,
like
italy
said
earlier,
she
said
there
are.
Sometimes
people
aren't
the
perfect
fit
for
the
options
they
had
and-
and
I
would
think
that
you're
probably
talking
about
the
people
that
really
do
not
want
to
go
into
any
type
of
shelter
of
people
that
may
have
pets
or
different
options
where
they
just
refuse
they
want
to
be
outside.
C
I
was
just
wondering
we
have
so
many
people
in
the
community
that
are
so
concerned
about
the
campus.
Just
wondering:
do
you
have
any
people
in
the
community
that
may
actually
own
land
or
or
a
large
lot,
so
they
would
sort
of
volunteer?
C
That's
if
some
of
these
people
could
not
go
to
shelter
that
they
could
actually
camp
on
their
own
private
land.
Have
you
had
people
that
have
opened
up
their
home
are
not
homes
but
their
property
to
be
able
to
assist
with
this,
especially,
you
know
a
temporary
basis
to
sort
of
help
us
deal
with
that
and
keep
it
from
spilling
over
in
the
public
arena.
C
I
was
just
wondering
that
to
me
would
be
something
that
I
think
that
we
could
sort
of
reach
out
to
the
community,
and
maybe
that
would
be
a
fit
for
short
term.
So
I
just
wondered:
have
you
had
any
of
those
people
brought
that
to
you.
M
I
have
not
had
private
property
owners
reach
out
with
that
kind
of
that
kind
of
question,
and
I'll
tell
you
that
I
have
really
been
focused
on
developing
additional
shelter
options.
I
think
a
lot
of
my
work
over
the
past
year
has
been
making
sure
that
we
do
have
code
purple
available
and
I'm
supporting
what's
happening
at
trinity,
I'm
very
deep
in
all
things
ramada
these
days
and
trying
to
be
sure
that
the
folks
who
are
there
have
positive
exits.
So
I
I
think
our
work
in
the
continuum
of
care.
M
My
work
has
really
been
focused
on.
You
know:
how
do
we
bring
people
inside
what
that
means
is
really
supporting
options
that
are
a
good
fit
for
people's
needs
and
continuing
to
build
that
out.
So
it's
been
a
bit
more
than
you
asked
me
for,
but
I
have.
I
have
not
heard
from
private
property
owners.
C
And
the
only
reason
I
asked
that
I
would
say
what
is
the
percentage
of
people
that
will
not
or
refuse
to
go
into
any
type
of
shelter.
Could
you
give
us
an
idea
of
what
that
number
looks
like
I'm
sorry,
I
couldn't
hear
that
yeah.
Could
you
give
me
an
idea
of
what
the
number
a
lot
of
people
refuse
to
go
in
shelters
are
refused
to
take
on
those
services?
C
What
would
you
say
the
percentage
of
people
that's
on
the
street
that
do
not
want
to
go
and
use
those
services,
because
I
hear
that
a
lot
from
a
lot
of
people
that
I
speak
with
is
we've
offered.
They
don't
want
it,
they
want
to
be
outside
they
want,
so
I'm
just
sort
of
getting
an
idea.
So
people
can
understand
that
we
are
providing
services,
but
we
can't
force
people
in
situations
that
they
don't
want
to
be
getting.
M
I
would
say
I
would
say
that
a
lot
of
folks
who
are
outside
are
aware
of
what
the
shelter
options
are
and
may
may
or
may
not
have
stayed
there
in
the
past,
but
are
aware
of
what
those
are,
and
you
know,
like
you
said,
do
you
have
particular
needs
that
are
not
the
current
shelters
may
not
be
able
to
accommodate
like
wanting
to
stay
with
a
partner
or
having
a
pet,
and
that
kind
of
thing
it's
been
exciting
to
me
at
the
ramada.
M
You
know
when
we,
when
we
went
into
those
camps
in
the
beginning
and
talked
to
folks
about
coming
inside,
for
hotel
rooms.
We
had
100
of
people
say
yes
to
that.
So
I
think
it
is
a
real
proof
point
that
we
have
a
lot
of
opportunity
as
a
community
to
build
out
shelter
that
people
will.
That
will
work
for
people
that
people
will
accept
so
that
we
can
then
be
working
on
those
housing
outcomes
with
them.
H
So
I
guess
my
follow-up
to
that.
Emily
would
be
as
we
look
at
the
national
trends
of
folks
not
going
into
congregate.
Shelter
after
we
told
everyone
not
to
go
inside
in
large
groups
together.
Is
that
part
of
our
data
set
and
consideration
as
we
look
for
the
need
for
emergency
shelter,
I'm
really
concerned
that
we
might
be
putting
whether
it's
our
leos
or
another
staff
member
in
a
situation
of
saying
that
someone
has
to
move
along
but
not
having
somewhere
to
take
someone
I'm
so
sorry.
What
was
the
first
part
of
that?
H
H
Is
that
related
to
the
to
the
fact
of
the
pandemic,
and
we
told
people
not
to
go
inside
in
large
groups.
So
it
is
different
to
ask
someone:
do
they
want
to
go
into
a
hotel
room
or
into
a
room
where
they
can
maybe
bring
their
pet
or
stay
together
as
a
family?
Then
it
means
that
they
can
isolate
like?
Are
we
considering
national
trends
around
congregate,
shelter,
especially,
I
think
of
like
our
funding,
but
also
our
staffing
options.
M
What
I
don't
have
this
in
front
of
me,
but
you
know
at
council
recently
when
I
talked
about
our
process
for
the
point
in
time
count
we
did
ask
some
additional
questions
of
folks
who
were
unsheltered,
and
one
of
those
was
about
why
they're
not
in
shelter
on
that
night
and
and
we're
still
kind
of
sifting
through
that,
but
from
the
data
that
I've
seen
so
far,
we
did
not
have
a
large
number
of
people
who
cited
covet
or
other
health
related
issues
as
the
primary
reason
they
weren't
in
shelter.
M
I
think
you're
right,
that's
certainly
been
a
consideration
across
the
country
and
in
our
community,
and
we
do
always
want
to
be.
We
always
want
to
be
in
line
with
what's
happening
nationally
and
paying
attention
to
national
research,
but
I
will
be
excited
to
have
actual
local
data
about
our
own
people
and
that
we
can
really
really
work
through
soon.
H
So
I
would
ask
if
for
future
agenda
items,
we
could
invite
emily
to
share
updates
on
the
point
in
time
count
as
they
come
out
right.
Chief.
L
N
I
could
speak
to
councilwoman
kilgore's
question
is
we?
We
do
see
a
very
high
percentage
of
folks
that,
for
a
variety
of
issues,
don't
want
to
go
into
the
shelters
into
the
code,
purple
shelters.
N
You
know
there's
just
like
with
the
article
the
other
day
and
in
the
news
you
know
talking
about
the
addiction
and
the
mental
health
that
is
present
within
within
these
encampments.
You
know
we
see
a
lot
of
serious
addiction
issues
and
so
a
lot
of
times
that
drives
folks
away
from
the
shelters,
especially
from
the
code,
purple
shelters,
because
that
that
is
an
issue
that
they're
struggling
with,
and
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
be
able
to
bolster
those
resources,
both
addiction
and
mental
health
resources.
N
But
I
also
want
to
sing
the
praises
of
emily
because
had
it
not
been
for
the
trinity,
united
methodist
church,
shelter
on
haywood
road,
that's
another
option
that
she
was
able
to
work
to
get,
and
it
really
gave
us
another
resource
and
another
tool,
because
in
all
the
code,
purple
rods
that
we're
giving
whenever
code
purple
is
called
a
lot
of
folks.
Are
you
know
they
have
dogs
they're?
A
couple:
that's
together
that
that
request
to
go
to
that
to
that
trinity
shelter.
N
So
we
we
really
appreciate
having
that
option
there
and
also
want
to
thank
her
for
the
hard
work
that
she's
been
doing
at
ramada,
just
monitoring
that
situation
and
you
know
being
out
there
with
staff
and
folks
and
trying
to
trying
to
get
them
where
they
need
to
go
so
because
it's
helped
mitigate
our
response
out
there
and
then
also
to
you
know,
with
the
encounter
with
the
encampments
being
able
to
take
folks
to
that
trinity
shelter.
N
But
it's
you
know
more
often
than
not
we're
giving
folks
rides
to
to
code
purple
we're
given
anywhere
from
four
to
five
rides
a
night
when
it's
really
cold
outside,
and
it's
a
really
good
chance
for
us
for
relationship
building,
because
you
know
this
is
what
we're
seeing
on
the
streets
and
and
the
size
of
the
encampments
is
totally
different
from
what
we
saw
back
in
2014..
N
As
I
discussed
in
the
during
the
presentation
on
january
11th,
you
know
that
the
seven-day
policy
was
great.
It
worked
during
those
times
it
worked
before
we
had
the
pluriph
proliferation.
I'm
sorry
of
encampments
that
we
saw
in
2020
and
2021.
You
know,
because,
as
a
city,
we
were
trying
to
do
what
was
best
for
folks
in
not
breaking
down
encampments
to
not
to
stop
the
spread
of
covet,
but
that
did
have
unintended
consequences.
N
It
was,
we
saw,
you
know,
tense,
encampments,
30,
40,
50
tents
in
size
that
that
had
kurt
that
started
and
whenever
you
know
common
sense
tells
us.
Whenever
you
have
a
vote
whenever
we
have
a
group
of
folks
together
that
have
serious
addiction
issues
and
mental
health
issues,
they're
going
to
make
bad
decisions
and
then
other
people
are
going
to
victimize
those
folks
as
well
outside
of
the
encampments.
I
know
we,
you
know
one
of
the
points
of
contention
within
the
a
small
group
in
the
community.
N
Right
now
is
the
the
data
sets
and
the
data
that
is
around
crime
in
these
encampments.
But
what
what
folks
aren't
realizing
is
that
the
victimization
rates
within
these
enchantments
are
high
as
well.
You
know
in
24
years
I've
never
seen
two
homicides
in
encampments.
N
I've
never
seen
a
suspicious
death
where
a
woman
was
buried
under
trash,
and
you
know
needles
were
littered
around
where
she
was
at
so
really
the
the
crime
that
is
out
here,
the
victimization
of
the
homeless.
That's
out
here,
it's
it's
common
sense.
Everyone
sees
it
out
there
in
the
community.
You
know
the
complaints
that
we
get.
N
The
concerns
that
we
get
it
is,
it
is
a
reality
and,
and
the
numbers
are
you
know
with,
especially
with
the
violent
crime
you
had
25
percent
of
all
violent
crime
in
and
around
these
encampments
within
the
a
thousand
foot
radius
within
the
last
two
years-
and
one
thing
I
did
not
speak
about
was
our
victimization
rates.
N
Currently,
our
homeless
community
is
0.5
of
our
city
population,
the
city
of
asheville.
They
represent
20
of
victims
in
violent
crime,
and
so
I
think,
as
I
spoke
earlier,
it
is.
It
is
not
compassionate
to
tell
people
that
your
worth
is
living
in
a
tent
living
in
an
encampment
and
continuing
with
your
addiction
issues.
N
O
Just
one
point
of
clarification,
as
he
said,
the
most
recent
point
in
time
count
estimates
just
over
500
homeless
individuals
within
asheville,
which
will
be
0.5
percent
of
the
population.
City-Wide
10
percent
of
violent
crime
victims
reported
to
have
either
an
address
of
19,
north
dan
or
no
address
at
all.
O
But
first
pres
address
some
of
the
claims
made
in
the
presentation
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
and
foremost,
it's
telling
that
slide
three
was
skipped
over
briefly
the
one
that
was
titled
evaluating
police
claims.
In
that
slide,
it
says
quote
without
a
clear
way
to
determine
which
non-arrest
incidents
are
defined
as
crime.
Our
analysis
only
uses
arrest.
Therefore
it
is
not
a
perfect
match.
It
does
not
represent
a
substantial,
but
it
does
represent
a
substantial
portion
of
crime.
O
First
and
foremost,
you
can't
identify
what
a
representative
sample
of
a
population
is.
If
you
don't
know
what
the
population
is,
if
you
can't
find
what
a
crime
is,
then
you
wouldn't
know
if
the
total
number
of
rest
is
a
representative
sample,
and
it
isn't.
But
aside
from
that,
the
arrest
data
and
the
call
for
service
data
was
obtained
from
the
same
open
data
portal,
where
the
crime
data
is
available
and
this
presentation
could
be
recreated
with
the
coordinates
that
were
provided
in
the
public
media
request
or
public
information
requests.
O
It
was
claimed
that
we
said
it
was
a
high
proportion
of
all
crime
occurs
near
homeless
encampments.
We
didn't
claim
that
we
said,
despite
that
crime
is
going
down.
City-Wide
crime
within
these
areas
is
increasing,
which
means
these
spaces
are
unsafe
for
all.
In
there
it
stated
that
correlation
doesn't
equal
causation,
that
our
data
implied
that
the
unhoused
population
is
responsible
for
a
wave
of
crime
across
the
city.
Apd
never
implied
or
stated
that
the
unhoused
population
was
the
cause
of
the
crime.
O
The
claims
were
made,
the
apd
refused
responded,
requests
for
information
regarding
this,
and
yet
the
presentation
itself
included
a
table
that
was
provided
in
that
request
for
information
and
then
finally,
the
table
in
question
documenting
duplicating
counting
that
was
provided
in
the
public
information
was
only
meant
to
provide
specific
counts
relative
to
each
encampment
was
not
supposed
to
provide
a
summation
of
the
aggregate
crime
which
was
evident
that
it
didn't
match
the
percentages
that
were
provided
on
the
slide
11
at
the
january
11th
presentation.
O
But
aside
from
that,
the
methodology
went
simply
as
I
was
provided
a
series
of
core
addresses
from
a
list
compiled
by
multiple
departments
in
the
city,
including
parks,
sanitation
and
law
enforcement
observation.
I
coordinated
that
with
grid
coordinates
available
from
our
record
management
service
and
then
mapped
the
locations.
I
pulled
the
crimes
all
crimes
within
500
feet
to
a
thousand
feet
of
any
encampment.
In
order
to
ensure
that
there
was
no
duplicate
counting
and
provided
those
percentages,
we
don't
define
the
crimes.
O
I
O
But
to
not
do
so
is
not
only
disingenuous
but
deliberately
misleading.
In
this
presentation
you.
N
Know,
and
also
I
want
to
bring
the
point
that
the
reality
is
that
these
crimes
are
underreported
with
our
relationships
with
the
folks
that
are
out
there
and
encampments
and
being
able
to
talk
with
folks.
They
were
telling
us
about
other
multiple
incidents
that
occurred,
especially
with
sexual
assaults
that
go
under
reported
for
fear
of
retaliation
from
the
the
perpetrators
of
these
crimes.
N
D
H
Thank
you.
So
I
had
a
question
around
the
data,
but
first
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
visibility
of
poverty
and
homelessness
has
increased
as
displacement
has
increased.
This
is
not
the
first
time
that
we've
lost
people
experiencing
homelessness
in
our
community.
It's
not
new,
but
around
the
data
sets
when
I
saw
how
it
was
presented
in
the
past
was,
and
we
have
a
picture
of
a
tent
and
I
couldn't
help
but
wonder
to
myself.
Is
it
a
number
of
tents
that
make
that
bullseye?
Is
it
one?
O
This
wasn't
this
isn't
by
by
any
means
a
total
summary
of
all
encampments
across
asheville.
This
was
just
a
sample
that
was
provided
again
by
multiple
departments,
so
sanitation
department
is
called
to
clean
up
an
encampment
marks
it
into
the
data
set
parts
and
recreation
and
law
enforcement
interaction.
It
was
of
those
highly
visible
44
locations
that
we
just
pulled.
What
is
going
on
within
those
spaces
is
it?
Are
we
seeing
an
increase
in
crime
decrease
in
crime?
H
Okay,
so
if
we
look
at
that,
can
you
confirm
that
you
said
that
this
a
sample
and
not
a
complete
data
set.
O
H
So
by
comparison,
if
we
ran
the
same
data
set
for
the
central
business
district,
do
we
have
a
comparison
on
how
it
is
the
same
or
different.
H
Raw
data
has
been,
but
the
presentation
is
the
part
that
I'm
curious
about.
If
we're
going
to
present
a
picture
with
a
bullseye
with
a
data
set
around
an
image
of
a
tent,
we
could
do
the
same
thing
with
the
city
hall
in
the
federal
building
or
that
perhaps
we
could
see
what
the
process
looks
like
to
provide
a
simple
data
set
if
they're
not
the
same.
It
would
help
me
to
understand
how
they're
not
the
same.
B
This
is
my.
This
is
my
response
to
just
the
direction
of
the
conversation.
So
far
we
can
scrutinize
how
information
was
gathered
and
how
it's
interpreted
and
it
all
it
almost
becomes
analysis.
Paralysis
like
we're
getting
stuck
in
one
area,
but
one
thing
that
we
cannot
contest
is
the
victim's
account
of
conditions
of
homeless,
camp
encampments
and
what
they've
personally
experienced
and
raised
throughout
the
entire
city
about
safety
concerns.
B
B
I
think
that
is
that
deep
dive
and
it
should
be
explained
but
but
for
me
we
can't
explain
away
and
we
can't
create
enough
data
sets
to
to
display
the
level
of
victimization
and
encampments
in
other
areas
around
around
our
community.
So
for
that
and.
H
I
appreciate
that
I
also
think
we
have
a
responsibility
as
a
committee
and
as
the
full
counsel
to
ask
about
the
process
of
how
data
is
presented
so
that
the
way
that
it's
presented
doesn't
cause
people
to
be
more
vulnerable.
Yeah.
B
But
I
just
want
to
keep
the
main
thing,
the
main
thing
like
when
we
get
caught
up
in
methodology.
I
believe
that
we
can,
as
a
committee
and
as
apd
we
can.
We
can
have
these
conversations
and
listen
to
everything.
That's
been
stated
so
that
we
have
a
broader,
clear
picture
about
how
we're
gathering
information,
how
we
interpret
information
and
how
we're
putting
out
to
the
public,
because
the
public
has
concerns
about.
You
know
how
we're
getting
to
what
we're
getting
to
around
legal
legal
causation
for
any
action.
B
What's
left
interest
to
me
right
now
concerning
the
direction
of
the
conversation
right
now
and
what
we
know
is
coming
these
correlating
timelines
of
the
cold
purple
ending
and
the
volume
of
people
who
could
possibly
cause
our
encampments
to
swell
a
little
bit
that
correlating
with
the
timeline
of
the
ramada
and
emergency
service
deadline.
B
J
What
I
also
will
say
is
that
we
are
working
on
multiple
fronts
and
I
think
you
got
a
little
bit
of
that
from
from
emily
with
her
earlier
comments.
But
we
are
well
aware
very
concerned
and
are
going
to
be
intentional
of
vice
mayor
in
terms
of
of
having
this
perfect
storm
and
being
able
to
see
how
we
can
best
respond
and
mitigate
the
impact
on
our
on
our
entire
community.
B
And
it's
all
hands
on
deck
type
of
thing
very
transparent.
In
this
moment,
councilwoman
mosley
and
myself
have
been
working
with
the
ramada
inn
residents
and
sending
over
transitional
housing
providers
to
say
hey.
These
beds
are
available
and
recovery
recovery,
their
recovery
homes.
You
know,
but
the
explanation
of
the
guys
that
I've
been
dealing
with
who
are
ready
to
take
people
in
today,
they're
saying
hey
relapse
is
a
part
of
recovery.
We're
not
asking
you
to
be
perfect,
we're
just
asking
you
to
try.
You
will
not
be
kicked
out.
B
You
will
not
be
ostracized
nor
marginalized,
for
your
drug
use,
but
we
need
you
to
be
in
a
safe
place
so
that
you
can
stabilize
we're
going
to
provide
you
transportation,
we're
going
to
provide
you
jobs.
We
want
to
see
you
excel.
Those
are
the
type
of
living
situations
that
we
should
be
pushing
our
residents
into
encampments.
I'm
not
sure
that
you
have
that
same
type
of
analysis
that
same
type
of
love,
harm
reduction,
practices,
harm
reduction,
leadership.
B
We
need
some
leadership
in
these
areas
and
I'm
not
sure,
personally
speaking,
that
I
want
to
pour
resources
in
the
operations
of
an
encampment.
Let's
get
people
in
the
best
situation
so
that
they
can
thrive
and
stabilize
these
make
shipping
and
cap
these
makeshift
encampments.
I
don't
see
a
future
in
it.
I
don't
see
the
pathway
to
stability,
I
don't
see
it
stabilizing
our
communities,
who
are
already
distressed
with
violence,
unemployment
in
a
gamut
of
situations.
B
This
is
not
the
asheville
I
want
to
see.
This
is
not
how
I
want
to
see
our
resources
as
cognitive,
behavioral,
specialists,
homeless,
specialists
law
enforce
office
officers.
What
have
you
I
don't
want
us
to
put
all
of
our
our
attention
on
the
upkeep,
the
build
of
encampments.
Let's
do
something
different
and,
let's
all
take
responsibilities
by
going
out
asking
people
who
own
as
folks
who
own
airbnbs
hey.
Would
you
take
somebody
in
for
just
a
moment
in
time,
because
things
are
very
critical,
so
those
are
the
conversations
that
I
want
to
have.
B
I
don't
want
to
get
stuck
in
how
we
say
what
we
say,
even
though
that's
very
important,
but
let's
move
on
and
let's
get
ahead
of
the
springtime
we
know
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
springtime
we
know.
What's
going
to
happen
in
the
summertime
we're
going
to
get
transients
on
top
of
people
who
are
looking
for
homes
within
buncombe
county.
I
don't
want
to
get
caught
up
in
the
data.
I
don't
want
to
get
caught
up
in
the
data.
Let's
get
caught
up
in
the
action
forward.
H
While
we're
considering
the
end
of
code
purple
and
the
closure
of
the
room
capacity
at
ramada,
we
have
to
have
to
have
to
look
at
our
shelter
capacity.
H
I
need
to
see
a
side
by
side
of
what
our
options
are,
because
if
we
don't
have
a
place
for
people
to
go,
our
jail
population
is
going
to
swell
and
that's
really
expensive,
and
I
also
would
love
to
know
what
is
our
timeline
with
our
partners?
When
can
we
see
be
huck
back
online,
because
if
we
are
going
to
have
those
service
providers
and
those
partnerships
doing
harm
reduction,
doing
recovery
work
and
doing
diversion
work
successfully
with
our
staff
and
with
our
partners
we're
going
to
have
that
gap?
H
B
Who's
in
the
pipeline,
when
I
say
who's
in
the
pipeline,
I
know
a
lot
of
faith
leaders
are
offering
their
space,
but
there
might
be
some
zoning
restrictions
there.
People
might
have
just
nuanced
issues
that
would
keep
them
from
kind
of
helping
us
in
this
transition
stage
who's
in
the
pipeline
to
create
the
best
space
for
an
emergency
facility,
and
what
do
we
need
to
do
to
make
them
ready
like
we're
we're
running
into
another
emergency?
I
foresee.
M
Well,
let
me
back
up
a
second
if
I
can
and
say
about
the
ramada
specifically
that
I
am
very,
very,
very,
very
focused
on
folks
not
returning
to
unsheltered
homelessness
when
they
leave
there,
and
certainly
that
will
happen
for
some
people.
That
is
reality.
I
cannot
guarantee
that
100
of
people
won't,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
that
we
are
working
very,
very
diligently
to
get
folks
connected
reconnected
with
friends
and
family.
We
have
supported
people
and
returning
back
home
to
other
states
where
that's
been
a
good
option
for
them.
M
We've
got
a
lot
of
folks
enrolled
in
housing
programs.
I
can't
say
enough
how
much
we
need
landlords
to
partner
with
us
to
make
all
of
to
expedite
this
process
for
those
folks
and
for
other
people
who
could
be
tapping
into
rental
assistance
if
we
had
that
unit
available
for
them,
so
we
really
need
that
landlord
partnership.
M
So,
that's
just
to
say
I
I
we
do
have
this
kind
of
convergence
of
deadlines
coming,
but
we
are
working
really
hard
to
ensure
that
it's
we're
not
just
flooding
the
streets
with
folks
who
are
currently
inside
we.
The
the
best
thing
I
can
say
to
your
question
is
that
the
folks
at
trinity,
united
methodists,
who
have
been
hosting
this
shelter,
have
also
been
hosting
a
series
of
community
conversations.
They've
been
meeting
every
two
weeks.
They
have
really
been
reaching
out
to
other
faith.
M
Community
partners
they've
had
a
lot
of
volunteer
support
so
there's
and
they
also
have
some
non-profit
participation
in
that.
So
there's
a
lot
of
momentum.
I
think
in
that
group
to
try
to
figure
out
what
some
solutions
are
and
some
willingness
to
bring
resources
to
the
table,
which
we
don't
always
see.
You
know,
but
some
some
folks
who
are
saying
like
yes,
I
will
stay
overnight
or
yes,
I
do
have
a
fellowship
hall
available.
Yes,
I
will
bring
a
meal
that
kind
of
thing.
So
certainly
nothing
confirmed
that.
N
Back
in
the
in
the
january
11th
meeting,
we
we
rarely
charge
folks
and
rarely
take
people
to
jail
when
we're
clearing
encampment,
we
most
of
the
time,
the
vast
majority
of
the
time
whenever
we
ask
campers
to
to
move
along
and
that
they
can't
stay
within
an
area.
There
are
no
criminal
charges
that
go
along
with
that
and
they
comply.
H
So
in
follow-up
to
what's
been
said
already,
the
citizen
times
has
an
article
about
the
asheville
housing
authority
moving
to
evict
80
people.
What
is
our
role
in
coordinating
with
the
housing
authority
and
is
there
a
role
that
we
can
play
with
the
arpa
fund
applications,
because
I'm
just
considering
the
demographics
of
our
unhoused
population
and
the
disproportionate
impact
of
the
pandemic
and
housing
crisis
on
our
black
neighbors
experiencing
homelessness?
H
J
K
K
The
goal,
and
almost
unified
I
would
say,
is
that
we
would
avoid
as
many
evictions
as
possible.
Out
of
this,
the
housing
authority
does
have
certain
obligations
that
are
established
by
federal
authority
as
part
of
their
existence
and
funding.
So
they
they
have
limited
capacity
to
allow
unpaid
rents
to
continue
in
perpetuity,
but
I
believe
they
have
demonstrated
a
willingness
at
this
point
to
continue
to
work
with
some
of
those
providers
that
I
mentioned
to
give
resources
to
those
individuals
who
are
experience.
K
Those
summary
evictions
and-
and
it
appears
that
it
is
having
some
success
early
on.
So
the
city
is
continuing
to
monitor
that
as
well
and
and
I'll
be
more
than
happy
to
keep
council
up
to
date
with
additional
information
as
it
becomes
available.
H
Thank
you
brad
with
more
than
concern
about
the
fact
that
we
hear
about
these
policies,
sometimes
through
the
press
or
through
social
media.
We
are
having
this
conversation
now,
so
I
would
just
ask
that
we
plan
for
a
scheduled
follow-up
conversation
for
our
march
agenda
of
the
public
safety
committee
with
intent
to
give
a
recommendation
to
council.
H
On
whether
it's
partnerships,
whether
it's
policy
suggestions,
whether
it's
funding
allocation,
we're
going
to
have
to
be
prepared
for
some
sort
of
action,
otherwise
there
will
be
running
up
against
another
deadline
where
people
are
left
falling
in
the
cracks.
B
Let's
just
I
mean
deborah:
do
you
have
any
future
future
ideas
about
bringing
this
conversation
to
full
council
because
I
don't
think
it
needs
to
live
here?
I
want
to
keep
this
aligned
directly
with
public
safety
and
to
me
it's
kind
of
get
convoluted
just
a
bit
for
me.
J
Yes,
I
think
it
possibly
should
be
a
discussion
for
that
committee
and
maybe
not
for
for
public
safety
unless
there's
a
you
know,
kind
of
a
a
nexus
that
we're
trying
to
to
make
as
it
relates
to
to
safety,
I'll
I'll,
stop
there
and
and
emily
you're
in
ced.
I
don't
do
you
have
any
response
to
what
I
just
said
in
terms
of
where
this
kind
of
broader
housing
issue
might
express.
H
So
I
would
expect
in
the
march
meeting
of
the
public
safety
committee,
we
would
have
some
sort
of
data
analysis
and
some
sort
of
plan
for
the
end
of
code
purple
and
the
ramada
shelters
and
our
neighbors
situation
with
the
housing
authority
neighbors,
as
well
as
the
shelter
data.
It's
just
too
much
for
us
to
come
to
a
policy
recommendation
right
now
or
a
recommendation
on
the
outcomes
of
this.
When
we
don't
have
all
the
information
yet.
J
L
I
mean
I,
I
would
just
add
you
know
when
we're
talking
about
the
evaluation
of
policy,
the
evaluation
of
procedure
that
you
know
whether
we
had
what
you
know
the
intended
results
actually
were
verified.
L
B
So
so,
let's,
let's
move
on-
and
this
is
still
in
in
chief
zach's
hands
right
now
we
have
the
investigative
traffic
stops.
We
have
a
follow-up
and
information
on
that
on
that
matter.
L
Yes
again,
I
apologize
for
going
out
of
order.
I
got
ahead
of
myself
again.
This
is
just
a
follow
up
to
to
what
we
discussed
back
in
november
of
2021
when
we
were
providing
data
on
traffic
enforcement
and
an
area
of
concern
that
our
committee
had
was
a
racial
disparity,
particularly
as
it
involved
investigative
traffic
stops.
So
our
purpose
today
is
to
provide
more
information
about
that.
L
The
information
we
want
you
to
provide
our
takeaways.
We
want
you
to
understand
that
investigative
traffic
stops
are
rare
of
the
3666
traffic
stops
made
in
2021.
L
L
L
L
These
are
just
a
couple
examples
of
what
might
be
considered
or
what
is
considered
an
investigation
only
stop.
On
february
17th,
we
received
a
call
for
a
service
concerning
a
person
with
a
gun
at
a
gas
station
on
smoky
park,
highway
related
to
an
altercation.
L
The
responding
officer
observed
the
suspect
vehicle,
leaving
the
location,
location
and
stopped
the
vehicle.
The
suspect
was
in
possession
of
a
loaded,
40
caliber
handgun,
with
one
in
the
chamber
marijuana
and
recently
committed
a
robbery.
The
driver
was
arrested.
That
would
be
an
investigative
only
stop.
L
So
what
you
can
see
in
a
lot
of
these
stops
is
not
necessarily
self-initiated
activity
by
the
officers
themselves.
It's
we're
being
called
to
a
location
to
address
what
may
be
occurring
with
a
specific
specific
vehicle.
So
it's
not
just
officers
randomly
making
stops.
Oftentimes
we've
been
requested
to
that
particular
area
to
address
that
particular
vehicle.
L
When
we
talk
about
tying
traffic,
stop
data
to
overall
city
population
groups,
that
is
just
an
incorrect
way
to
evaluate-
and-
and
this
is
this
quote-
is
taken
directly
from
analysis
of
traffic
citation
data
that
was
performed
for
the
alexandria,
virginia
police
department
in
2011
through
2015..
L
Their
conclusion
distributions
of
traffic
citations,
as
with
crime.
More
generally,
are
rarely
if
ever
proportionately,
dispersed
across
population
groups,
for
example,
traffic
citations,
as
well
as
arrests
for
crime
are
more
likely
to
be
received
by
men
than
women
and
by
those
who
are
younger
criminologists
are
fairly
confident
that
these
groups
tend
to
commit
more
violation
in
crimes
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
and
there
are
other
studies
from
george
mason
university
university
of
north
carolina
that
pretty
much
conclude
what
they
learned
in
alexandria.
L
When
we
talk
about
traffic
stops,
traffic
stops
do
not
occur
uniformly
throughout
the
city,
high
traffic
areas
and
areas
with
high
call
volume
or
criminal
activity.
Our
primary
focus
for
traffic
enforcement.
You
can
see
from
this
map.
There
are
high
concentrations
of
traffic,
stops
along
tunnel
road
smoky
park
and
long
shot
shoals
road,
that's
where
we're
called
to
that's
where
we
respond,
that's
where
we
patrol
more
actively
and
the
demographic
composition
of
these
areas
is
not
uniform
throughout
the
city.
L
This
is
just
one
particular
census
block
south
of
downtown
this
sensing
census
black
group
contains
one
of
the
highest
concentrations
of
traffic
stops
with
154
in
2021..
L
Last
year,
this
area
there
were
26
violent
crimes
over
1500
calls
for
service,
80
arrests
and
37
shots.
Fired
calls
were
also
reported
now,
according
to
the
census
data,
the
estimated
population
of
this
particular
census
block
is
51.8
percent
black
and
36.4
percent
white.
L
However,
the
traffic
stops
you
can
see
the
demographics
of
the
area
were
49
black
drivers
and
48
percent
white
driver
stopped.
So
in
this
particular
group
we
actually
stopped
as
it
relates
to
population
more
whites
than
blacks.
For
that
particular
census
data,
this
is
also
an
area
that
we
receive
a
high
volume
of
calls
for
prostitution.
L
So,
of
course,
those
are
going
to
result
in
traffic
stops
for
those
engaged
in
that
sort
of
activity,
because
more
often
than
not
their
mo
is
to
operate
in
a
vehicle.
L
L
Once
again,
next
slide,
please.
L
Yet
when
stopped
for
investigation,
they
were,
they
were
more
likely
to
be
stopped.
61
percent
of
the
time
last
year,
29
percent
of
violent
crimes
committed
were
against
black
victims,
and
two-thirds
of
all
gunshot
victims
in
2021
were
black,
so
to
say
that
crime
and
traffic
stops
should
be
proportionally
distributed
amongst
population.
L
Of
these
stops
very
little
result
in
any
enforcement
action
whatsoever
of
the
83
investigation.
Only
traffic
stops
conducted
last
year.
Only
13
resulted
in
arrest
and
10
resulted
in
citation
in
60
stops.
No
action
was
taken
at
all
or
simply
a
warning
was
given
search
is
also
very
rare.
They
were
only
conducted
in
10
incidents
due
to
consent,
probable
cause
or
search
incident.
To
arrest.
L
L
But
again,
demographic
composition
is
not
uniform
throughout
the
city
we
spend
the
majority
of
our
time
patrolling
in
areas
where
we
are
requested
and
or
needed
most.
We
do
not
target
a
specific
race
or
agenda
of
people
for
traffic
enforcement
and
again
from
academics.
Research
distributions
of
traffic
citations
in
any
jurisdiction,
as
with
crime.
More
generally,
are
rarely,
if
ever
proportionally,
disbursed
across
population
groups.
B
C
Good
morning,
chief
zach
and
everyone,
thank
you
so
very
much
for
presenting
this
report
this
morning.
But
one
thing
I
want
to
ask
you
about:
is
this
there's
a
couple
of
things?
I
you
remember
the
program.
I
can't
think
of
the
name
of
it
where
the
assistance
program,
where
you
would
offer
motorists
if
they
had
likes
out
of
whatever
assistance.
How
successful
has
that
been
for
the
community.
L
I'm
glad
you
asked
we
just
recently
had
the
contract
signed.
We
did
have
to
go
through
legal
to
accomplish
that.
The
contract
was
recently
signed.
I've
been
in
touch
with
the
lights
on
program
as
early
as
yesterday,
they
forwarded
me
materials
for
that
program
and
now
we're
going
to
be
seeking
assistance
from
the
community
to
find
repair
shops
that
are
willing
to
climb
on
board
with
the
program.
I'm
hoping
we're
going
to
be
very
successful.
L
With
that
effort
and
again
we
we
got
kind
of
a
little
bit
bogged
down
with
contracts
and
so
forth
that
that
oftentimes
happens
when
money
starts
to
exchange
hands.
So
we
completed
those
contracts
a
short
while
ago
and,
like
I
said,
I've
been
in
touch
with
lights
on
program
as
early
as
yesterday,
so
we
certainly
want
to
get
that
program
up
and
running
as
quickly
as
we
possibly
can.
C
And
that
was
the
reason
I
wanted
to
actually
go
into
like
you
were
here.
I
think
you
said
29
of
all
the
as
far
as
black
motorists
investigated
stops
and
what
I
want
to
know
do
you
have
any
data
as
to
the
reason
I
say
this
is
because
I've
noticed
that
a
lot
of
automotive
vehicle
stops
in
neighborhoods
black,
just
neighborhoods
in
general.
Basically,
it's
sort
of
it
depends
on
the
condition
of
the
automobile.
C
If
you
notice
that
in
a
lot
of
black
communities,
automobile
condition
is
not
as
good
and
that
sort
of
you
know,
because
if
you're
driving
a
nice
vehicle
chance
of
being
stopped
is
going
to
be
very
slim,
but
if
you've
got
a
vehicle
that
in
need
of
repair
things
like
that,
then
you're
going
to
be
stopped
more
often,
and
that
was
the
reason
I
wanted
to
bring
that
point
in
to
the
fact
that
how
many
of
these
stops
basically
would
have
fallen
into
that
category
of
sort
of
lights
and
sort
of
helping
the
person
as
opposed
to,
because
that
is
what
I've
noticed.
C
A
lot
of
people
have
stopped
it's
because
of
the
vehicle.
It's
not
in
regulations
or
it's
not,
he
does
not
have
to
require.
You
know
it.
Doesn't
it's
not
up
to
par?
Does
that
make
sense.
L
Absolutely-
and
I
I
believe
we
did
address-
I
don't
have
those
numbers
right
in
front
of
me,
but
back
in
november
we
did
address.
L
We
know
that
those
who
are
you
know
economically
disadvantaged,
that
their
vehicles
are
more
likely
to
fall
into
disrepair
and
yes,
which
creates
a
greater
likelihood
that
they
would
be
stopped
and
potentially
cited
and
again
that
was
that's
part
of
the
reason
for
the
lights
on
program
is
to
make
sure
that
there
isn't
undue
harm
placed
upon
and
that
we're
providing
a
solution
rather
than
punishment,
and
that's
key
going
to
be
key
to
our
enforcement
effort
and
also
trying
to
build
trust
in
in
our
community
that
hey
we're
not
here,
just
to
punish
we're
providing
a
solution
as
well,
but
we
also
you
know,
we
also
have
to
make
sure
that
we
have
safe
vehicles
on
our
roadways.
L
And
you
know,
one
thing
we
do
stress
with
our
officers
is
empathy
and
to
understand
you
know
what
not
only
what
the
cost
of
a
summons
might
be
or
a
citation,
but
also
to
understand
the
cost
of
towing
a
vehicle
and
getting
a
vehicle
out
of
storage
that
the
economic
impact
goes
far
beyond
simply
a
traffic
citation.
L
So
we
try
to
teach
our
officers
to
have
that
empathy
and
to
understand
the
impact
that
that
can
be
created
in
an
additional
harm
that
someone
who
doesn't
have
assets
might
incur
as
opposed
to
someone
who's
affluent.
L
Who
has
the
resources.
So
we
try
to
teach
that
and
we
want
our
officers,
certainly
especially
when
it
comes
to
very
minor
violations
to
use
as
much
discretion
as
possible
and
again
that's
going
to
be
kind
of
the
foundation
of
the
lights
on
program,
especially
when
we're
talking
about
you
know
minor
violations
and
again
you
know
we're
not
here
to
punish,
but
we're
here
to
provide
a
solution.
C
L
I
mean
yes,
we
would
hope,
so
we
would
hope
so.
But
you
know
there
are
some
some
circumstances
that
are
beyond
our
control
and
a
lot
of
that
relates
to
staffing
where
some
of
our
you
know,
enforcement
data
has
has
been
so
skewed
by
a
lack
of
staff
in
our
inability
to
do
a
lot
of
proactive
work.
As
the
department
replenishes
itself,
we
will
have
more
officers
out
there
and
we
will
have
more
enforcement,
but
again
what
we
want.
L
Obviously,
if
you
have
150
officers
on
patrol
you're
going
to
have
a
certain
number
of
tickets,
if
you
have
200
you're
you're
going
to
have
more
so
we've
got
to
kind
of
be
careful
with
the
data
and
how
we
interpret
it,
because
it's
not
going
to
be
the
the
exact
same
data
set
each
and
every
time-
and
you
know-
but
I
think
what's
more
important-
is
the
word
on
the
street
and
that,
if
we're
stressing
with
our
officers,
compassion
and
empathy,
I
think
I
I
think
that
will
pass
the
test
more
than
maybe
a
data
set
might.
L
C
And
also,
I'm
really
happy
to
say
that
the
empathy
program
that
you've
probably
put
in
place-
I
can't
tell
you
how
valuable
that
is.
I
remember
when
I
was
working
with
the
airlines
we
had
to
take
into
the
training
every
year.
I
didn't
understand
it
at
the
time,
but
after
going
through
all
the
trainings
and
what
it
actually
did
to
my
mindset
when
dealing
with
people,
it
was
amazing
how
impactful
that
was
when
dealing
with
the
public.
C
So
I'm
so
happy
to
hear
that
that
is
sort
of
incorporated
in
your
program,
and
that's
it's
good
here.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
H
I
do
first,
I
have
a
note
that
folks
that
are
in
the
queue
to
be
in
the
public
comment
can
no
longer
hear
the
audio
playing.
So
we
might
want
to
check
that,
but
they
can
hear
it
on
youtube,
but
not
by
the
phone
line.
Yeah.
A
I'm
checking
on
that
right
now.
Our
bridge
somehow
got
disconnected,
even
though
I
put
the
meeting
is
still
up
on
public
input,
but
I'm
working
to
reconnect
that
right
now,
but
it
is
still
live
on
youtube.
Okay,.
H
I
just
want
to
make
sure
so
we
had
a
chance
before
we
missed
the
opportunity
for
public
comment
at
the
end,
if
we
could
go
back
back
to
slide
nine
and
while
we
do
that,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
my
colleague,
councilman
kilgore.
I
share
some
of
those
concerns.
H
While
our
neighbors
are
making
prioritization
decisions
in
their
budget
on,
like
you,
know,
feeding
their
kids
or
trying
to
get
out
of
these
eviction
notices,
they
may
defer
the
cost
of
car
maintenance.
H
So
when
I
look
at
this
map,
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
we
do
respond
to
crime
after
the
fact,
but
I'm
looking
at
this
map
with
that
reminder
for
myself
of
the
map
of
urban
renewal
and
redlining
and
considering
the
displacement
migration
patterns
associated
with
urban
renewal
and
redlining,
and
for
me
this
strengthens
the
need
for
reparations
as
part
of
economic
development
and
home
ownership
sense
of
place,
small
business.
H
We
can't
get
this
work
done
fast
enough
while
going
slow
enough
to
include
everybody.
But
my
question
is:
I
have
heard
reports
of
and
seen
twice
that
we
have
state
troopers
doing
traffic
stops
in
the
south
side.
So
what
does
our
partnership
look
with
the
state
troopers
and
is
that
something
that
we
are
also
tracking
data
around.
L
No,
we
don't,
we
don't
track
state
police
data,
I
mean
the
state
does
have
jurisdiction
here.
The
incidents
that
you're
speaking
of-
and
we
have
certainly
not
requested
the
state
police
to
assist
us
with
any
level
of
traffic
enforcement
so
and
and
quite
in
fact,
they're
down
significantly
in
staff
as
well.
L
So
I
really
have
no
information
on
the
the
the
incidents
that
you've
witnessed.
It
could
have
been
in
connection
with
another
investigation
that
they
may
have
been
conducting,
but
you
know
no.
We
do
not
track
their
their
activity
in
in
the
city.
H
And
we
don't
have
any
we
don't
have.
I
mean
it's
happening
regularly
on
around
the
areas
that
we're
talking
about,
so
we
don't
do.
We
have
any
communication
to
understand
why
we
have
state
troopers,
with
specifically
in
the
south
side
and
on
riverside
drive.
L
Again
I
what
you're
calling
to
my
attention
I
was
not
aware
of.
I
have
not
heard
that
there
was
some
increased
enforcement
effort.
So
again
I
I
guess
I
would
need
a
little
bit
more
information
to
look
into
that
further.
B
I've
received
emails
and
personal
telephone
calls
about
state
troopers
in
those
areas
too,
but
I
think
that
one
of
the
calls
also
stated
that
they
they
were
stopped
by
a
state
trooper
on
tunnel
road,
so
I
think
to
understand
their
jurisdiction
and
what
could
be
the
purpose?
And
then
a
lot
of
this
stuff
is
not
for
public
consumption.
It
can
be
very
confidential
in
nature
if
they're
under
a
special
operation,
but
if
it
is
just
general.
L
I
mean
it's:
it's
not
uncommon,
you
know
for
us
to
see
state
troopers
on
our
roadways
and
highways
as
they're
passing
through
barracks's
and
obviously
they
do
have
jurisdiction.
If
they
observe
a
violation,
they
certainly
have
the
authority
to
conduct
a
traffic
stop,
but
if
they
were
conducting
any
sort
of
significant
operation
or
effort
in
our
community,
I
think
I
I
know
for
a
fact
that
would
have
been
articulated
to
me.
So
so
it
has
not.
L
But
of
course
you
know
they
do
have
jurisdiction
and
they
do
pass
through
town
regularly,
whether
they're
going
I've
seen
them
at
lunch.
You
know
and
they
do
have
the
jurisdiction
they
do
have
the
authority.
But
I
again
I'd
be
very
highly
surprised
if
there
is
any
sustained
effort
on
their
part
to
enforce
within
asheville
city
limits
again,
because
I
know
from
talking
with
folks
from
the
state
police
that
they're
very
short
on
staff
as
well
and
I'm
certain
they
wouldn't
have
the
resources
to
deploy
their
resources
here.
B
With
no
more
questions
on
the
investigative
traffic
stop,
so
thank
you,
chief
scott
and
chief
zach
and
your
team
for
being
here
today
we're
going
to
move
on
to
public
comment.
Jenna
did
we
repair
whatever
need
to
be
addressed
with
the
with
the
bridge.
A
Yes,
the
bridge
was
reconnected
and
I
believe
the
caller
on
the
line
was
able
to
remain
on
the
line,
so
I'm
going
to
unmute
them
now
and
hopefully
they
are
still
there
caller
ending
in
6029.
Your
line
is
open.
P
Thank
you
hi.
This
is
patrick
conan
from
east
west
asheville
on
apd's
presentation
on
traffic
stop
data.
I
want
to
start
by
raising
my
concerns
regarding
apg's
overall
approach.
To
presenting
this
information,
we
need
regular,
comprehensive
reporting
on
our
traffic.
Stop
data
we've
seen
dramatic
shifts
in
our
traffic
stop
patterns
over
the
past
few
years,
yet
without
regular
reporting
that
information
wasn't
widely
known
by
this
committee
or
the
general
public
in
2017.
This
committee
requested
apd
to
produce
quarterly
reports
in
response
to
significant
racial
disparities
in
traffic
stops
and
searches.
P
They've
been
published
inconsistently
ever
since,
starting
in
2020
apd
staff
started
sending
those
reports
to
deputy
chief
bumstar
rather
than
the
city
manager
and
they've
no
longer
been
presented
regularly
to
this
committee.
Furthermore,
there
are
no
reports
on
the
city
website
after
the
third
quarter
of
2020..
P
P
P
P
The
important
question
I
feel
this
committee
needs
to
ask
is
whether
traffic
stops
are
an
effective
tool
to
address
crime.
Apd
repeatedly
cites
victimization
rates
to
justify
traffic
stop
disparities,
however,
there's
no
evidence
being
provided
that
these
stops
and
searches
are
an
effective
tool
in
reducing
violent
crime
on
a
city-wide
basis.
P
P
B
All
right,
thank
you
for
your
time
when
today
I
just
I
did
want
to
say
something
about
traffic
stops
because,
as
our
community
kind
of
shifts
in
how
we
want
to
interact
with
law
enforcement
and
what
type
of
law
enforcement
we
want
in
certain
areas
of
our
town,
based
on
community
building
with
law
enforcement,
I
think
it
has
been
said
that
presence
makes
a
difference
on
deterring
a
lot
of
crime
and
and
making
people
feel
safe.
B
Now,
traffic
stops
have
been
used
in
some
instances
to
cause
that
to
to
to
kind
of
uplift
that
presence
in
certain
communities
and
just
to
have-
and
I
think
when
people
see
you
know,
law
enforcement
in
areas
they
feel
like.
You
know
that
community
matters
or
others
could
you
know
misinterpret
it.
B
As
you
know,
this
can
be
a
tool
for
profiling,
but
but
one
thing
that
I
wanted
to
to
mark
one
today
is
that
the
more
and
more
we
get
information
about
traffic
stops
and
how
different
strategies
are
to
be
employed
in
communities
to
to
look
at.
You
know
parking
violations
or
just
the
presence
of
folks
in
neighborhoods
who
don't
reside
in
neighborhoods,
but
frequenting,
often
for
whatever
you
know,
purpose
bringing
a
lot
of
crime
and
crime
activity
to
neighborhoods.
B
I
think
we're
looking
at
how
these
uses
should
be
looked
at
and
reported
on
annually
or
an
annual
basis,
but
how
we,
how
we
legitimize
the
usage,
I
think
that's
still
being
in
conversation,
so
I
just
like
to
invite
all
of
our
city,
our
citizens,
to
kind
of
look
at
the
changes
that
have
happened
in
our
community.
B
What
is
useful
and,
what's
just
historically
been
stated
as
a
profiling
tool,
but
I
don't
I'm
not
really
sure
that
we
have
substantial
consensus
on
whether
the
use
is
unnecessary
or
just
another
profiling
tool.
I
hope
that
makes
sense,
but
let's
just
continue
to
have
the
conversations
about
the
best
uses
of
practices
and
whether
it's
routine
investigatory.
B
Let's
continue
to
have
these
conversations,
so
this
won't
be
a
platform
for
a
lot
of
blaming
and
finger-pointing.
We
want
the
highest
use
of
safety
strategies
throughout
our
community
so
that
we
can
make
the
proper
transitions
to
have
more
community-led
and
community-focused
safety
infrastructures,
because
I
I
believe,
that's
the
future.
Let's
get
there
and
we
only
get
there
by
continuing
conversations
and
then
being
real
and
open
to
the
changes
and
the
time
that
we're
in
currently
sandra.
C
Hi,
yes,
I
would
just
like
to
say
something
here.
At
the
end,
also,
I've
only
been
on
council
a
little
over
a
year
and
I
I
would
like
to
basically
commend
asheville
police
asheville
car
department,
city
staff
and
city
council.
We've
grown
a
lot.
C
We've
had
to
tackle
a
lot
of
issues
in
the
last
year
for
a
lot
of
different
factors
that
actually
made
them
worse,
but
I
think
that
we've
all
sort
of
come
up
and
stood
up
to
the
challenge
and
the
one
thing
I
really
like
about
this
whole
situation
is:
we've
now
developed
a
conversation
and
we've
been
able
to
collaborate
to
make
things
better,
and
I
must
say
all
the
different
programs
and
initiatives
that
asheville
apd
asheville
asheville
fire
department
and
just
everyone
coming
together.
Emily
ball
with
the
homeless
situation.
C
We
are
doing
a
great
job
and
we
need
to
sort
of
support
each
other
and
basically
and
just
let
the
community
know
that
we
are
working
toward
making
things
better.
And
if
you
look
back
for
a
year
ago
and
where
we
are
now,
we
have
come
a
long
way
and
all
of
us
should
pat
ourselves
on
the
back,
and
we
greatly
appreciate
the
input
from
the
community
which
actually
made
us
of
our
game
to
make
sure
that
we're
more
transparent
and
those
things
are
important.
C
So
I
just
want
to
give
all
of
us
a
hand
and
say:
hey:
listen,
we've
got
to
keep
working
toward
where
we're
going,
and
we
need
to
look
up
and
basically
support
each
other
as
we
tackle
this
situation
that
the
whole
country
is
basically
dealing
with
and
trying
to
tackle.
So
I
want
to
just
give
a
clap
that
weekend
should
keep
moving
forward.
Thank
you.