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From YouTube: Policy, Finance & HR Committee – January 10, 2023
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Regular meeting of the Asheville City Council's Policy, Finance & Human Resources Committee.
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A
A
Good
morning
my
name
is
Esther
manheimer
I'm,
mayor
of
the
city
of
Asheville
and
chair
to
the
new
policy
finance
and
HR
committee
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
our
January
10th
meeting.
All
Council
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
State,
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website.
A
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today.
Welcome
for
today's
meeting.
We
have
the
option
for
people
to
call
in
and
comment
live
during
the
meeting
to
call
in
and
comment.
Live
use
the
same
number
855-925-2801
meeting
code,
5257
your
phone
will
be
muted
and
you
will
hear
the
meeting
live
at
this
point.
Speakers
will
need
to
push
star
3
to
enter
the
speaker.
Queue
I'll
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
Council
staff.
C
A
E
A
G
A
D
Okay,
I
think
that
was
my
cue
so
good
morning
everybody
Tony
McDowell,
Finance,
director
and
I-
do
have
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
today.
D
I
think
Alicia
is
going
to
bring
up
the
slides
and
so
first
item
today
is
the
CFO
update,
and
this
will
kind
of
be
a
standing
item
that
you
all
are
likely
to
see
on
almost
all
these
agendas,
but
before
we
kind
of
dive
into
the
CFO
items
that
we
were
going
to
update
you
all
on
today,
we'll
really
have
two
kind
of
things
from
the
CFO
perspective
and
they're
both
very
brief.
D
At
least
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
We
want
to
just
kind
of
do
an
introduction,
because
again
this
is
the
first
meeting
of
the
new
policy
finance
and
Human
Resources
committee
chairs,
Esther,
mayor
Esther
manheimer.
The
members
include
council,
member
Kim,
Rooney
and
council
member
Maggie
Olman.
Our
primary
staff
liaison
to
this
committee
is
going
to
be
major
Deborah
Campbell.
D
Also,
key
support
will
come
for
myself
and
also
Shannon
Barrett,
our
Human
Resources
Director
as
well,
and
then
periodically
you'll,
see
other
department
directors
here
as
well,
including
our
City
attorney,
who
we
met
just
a
moment
ago,
as
well
as
Nikki
Reid.
Our
community
and
economic
development
director
regularly
scheduled
meeting
for
this
committee
will
be
the
second
Tuesday
of
each
month
at
10,
A.M.
D
So
next
slide
just
kind
of
give
you
all
in
the
community
kind
of
an
overview
of
what
this
committee
is
going
to
be
tasked
with
some
of
the
items.
D
This
new
committee
really
is
kind
of
a
combination
of
the
old
governance
committee
and
the
old
finance
and
Human
Resources
committee,
and
so
the
types
of
items
that
might
be
coming
forward
to
this
committee
will
include
things
such
as
governance,
matters
related
to
policy,
development
and
policy,
development
process,
city
council
rules
and
procedures,
establishment
of
council
Retreat
committees
and
Council
committees,
and
that
a
lot
of
financial
stuff
and
I'm
going
to
talk
about
some
of
that
today.
D
The
annual
budget
process
you
all
will
be
weighing
in
on
our
Capital
Improvement
program,
our
issuance
of
debt.
We
talk
a
lot
to
this
committee
about
our
debt
model
and
our
financial
model
around
our
Capital
Improvement
program.
Also
our
financial
reporting
and
annual
audit,
which
happened
in
the
second
half
of
the
calendar
year
each
year.
D
There
will
be
a
lot
of
items
coming
before
you
all
related
to
that,
and
then
our
fees
and
charges
as
we
go
through
the
budget
process,
we'll
be
bringing
those
forward
to
you
all
as
well
and
then
from
the
human
really
human
Human
Resources
perspective
you'll
be
seeing
things
related
to
both
personnel
and
compensation
policies
as
well.
D
So
next
slide.
So
we're
working
to
develop
a
work
plan
for
the
for
the
new
committee,
we'll
discuss
that
with
you
a
little
bit
more
at
your
next
meeting
on
February
14th,
but
just
to
kind
of
give
you
all
an
example
of
some
of
the
items.
Types
of
agenda
items
you'll
be
seeing.
Probably
over
the
next
six
months.
I
mentioned
the
CFO
update,
that's
kind
of
a
standing
item
that
you'll
see.
D
Probably
almost
all
these
meetings
we'll
be
bringing
forward
to
you
all,
the
second
and
third
or
the
second
and
third
quarter.
Financial
reports
I
think,
as
you
all
know,
we
kind
of
rebooted
the
financial
of
the
quarterly
financial
reporting
process
this
fiscal
year.
D
The
first
quarter
report
came
to
you
all
back
in
October
I
believe
we're
working
on
the
second
quarter
report
right
now
and
we'll
have
that
for
you
at
the
February
14th
meeting
and
then
we'll
go
to
city
council
that
same
night
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
you
all
with
the
third
quarter
report,
most
likely
in
in
April
or
May
of
this
year.
D
You'll
also
be
seeing
probably
at
the
February
14th
meeting
the
proposed
fees
and
charges,
fees
and
charges,
adjustments
that
is,
that
we'll
be
bringing
forward
as
part
of
the
budget
process.
I
think,
as
you
all
were
probably
aware,
that's
one
of
the
first
things
that
come
to
council
each
year
as
a
part
of
the
budget
process,
and
we
like
to
bring
fees
early
for
a
couple
reasons.
D
One
is
it:
it
allows
us
to
build
in
any
additional
Revenue
that
we
might
get
from
fee
increases
that
you
all
approve,
and
it
also
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
inform
the
community
prior
to
July
1
so
that
they
can
be
prepared
for
any
of
those
fee.
Adjustments
that
we
make
we
may
make
you'll
also
be
seeing
Luigi
applications
or
Luigi
applications.
I
should
say
and
Nikki
reads
here
today,
to
kind
of
give
you
all
an
introduction
to
the
Louise
process.
D
We
don't
have
any
specific
applications
for
today,
but
we
do
anticipate
some
of
those
coming
forward
in
the
next
few
months
and
then
finally,
you'll
be
seeing
updates
from
us
as
we
go
through
the
fy24
budget
process,
which
is
a
pretty
party,
kicked
off
and
Taylor's
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
budget
calendar
with
you
all
here
in
a
few
slides.
D
So
the
next
slide
Alicia
all
right,
any
any
questions
or
anything
on
the
the
kind
of
table
setting
for
today.
For
the
committee.
D
Yeah,
okay,
all
right
well,
I'll,
just
move
into
the
CFO
update
and
again
it's
very
brief
today,
and
at
least
you
can
go
on
to
the
next
slide
as
well.
So
just
two
things
we
wanted
to
update
you
all
on
today.
One
is
relates
to
our
year-end
audit.
D
Two
big
work
plan
items
that
we
complete
every
year
in
the
finance
department.
One
is
annual
budget
I
think
you
all
are
well
aware
of
that.
We
spend
a
lot
of
time
talking
to
you
all
in
public
meetings
about
the
budget.
The
other
thing
we
do
that's
a
big
project
for
us
is
our
year-end
audit
and
you'll
be
hearing
much
more
about
this,
we'll
be
coming
to
you
all,
with
monthly
updates,
once
the
year-end
audit
kind
of
kicks
into
high
gear,
starting
in
July
of
this
year.
D
But
one
thing
we
wanted
to
give
you
all
an
update
on
now
is
that
we
are
at
the
end
of
our
five-year
contact
contract
with
our
existing
external
audit,
firm
and
by
policy.
We
have
to
undergo
a
competitive
process
after
every
five
years
to
potentially
select
a
new
firm
and
the
reason
for
having
a
policy
like
that
in
place
is
to
really
to
to
maintain
Independence
and
separation
between
the
auditor
and
and
the
city.
D
F
D
Audit
firm
and
the
city,
and
so
we
have
a
policy
in
place
to
undergo
a
competitive
process
like
I
said
after
every
five
years,
we've
reached
that
point
right
now.
We're
getting
ready
to
this
this
week
release
an
RFP,
a
request
for
proposals
and
then
we'll
be
in
reviewing
the
the
responses
to
that
RFP
in
the
next
month
or
two.
It
will
likely
be
myself
and
our
assistant
director
assistant,
Finance,
director,
Becky
ogles,
who
review
those.
D
We
also
will
likely
be
inviting
a
member
of
the
audit
committee,
our
external
auditing
committee,
to
help
with
a
review
of
those
proposals
as
well.
We'll
then
go
to
the
audit
Committee
in
March
to
give
them
a
kind
of
update
on
where
we're
at
in
terms
of
selecting
a
new
firm
and
then
the
contract
for
the
new
firm
will
be
coming
to
you
all
in
May
for
approval
and
we'll
likely
come
back
to
this
committee
as
well
and
kind
of
give
you
all
updates,
as
we
go
through
that
process
to
come
as
well.
D
So
with
that,
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide
and
I
think
this
is
the
slide
that
Taylor's
going
to
give
me
a
little
help
on.
H
Yeah
morning,
everybody
just
wanted
to
talk
briefly
about
the
budget
calendar
as
Tony
mentioned,
and
you
all
are
aware.
We
have
already
started
the
process.
We
had
a
work
session
focused
on
CIP
back
in
December
and
really
here.
We
just
have
kind
of
the
main
touch
points
with
Council
through
the
budget
process.
H
Three
work
sessions
that
kind
of
culminate
in
the
city
managers
proposed
budget
presentation
on
May,
9th
and
then
a
budget
public
hearing,
May
23rd,
and
if
everything
goes
well
budget
adoption
on
June
13th
a
few
other
things
I
do
want
to
make
note
of
and
I
guess.
I'll
also
mention
that
we
have
the
the
full
calendar
is
on
the
cassette
agenda
at
tonight's
city
council
meeting.
H
I
think
one
of
the
you
know
things
that
we
hear
during
the
budget.
Public
Hearing
in
May
is
hey.
You
all
have
already
made
a
lot
of
decisions,
and
you
know
this
is
late
and
we
have
to
do
that
by
a
state
statute,
but
we
thought
this
might
present
an
opportunity
for
folks
to
come
at.
You
know
towards
the
beginning
of
the
process
and
and
provide
some
input.
E
H
I
did
want
to
mention
too
that's
not
up
here,
but
well,
and
I.
Think
Tony
mentioned
as
well
is
that
we
will
do
kind
of
our
initial
review
of
proposed
fees,
changes
to
fees
and
charges
to
this
committee
for
again
to
get
some
feedback
before
it
goes
to
Council
on
March
28th
at
your
meeting
in
February.
So
it's
kind
of
the
again
the
the
high
points
of
the
budget
process
for
for
this
year,
foreign.
H
Yes,
we're
working
on
getting
those
together
and
you
know
it
does
vary
from
year
to
year,
but
we
typically
do
have
a
slew,
some
of
which
are
relatively
minor,
some
of
which
you
know
some
of
our
more
significant
ones
are
the
ones
that
impact
most
of
the
folks
in
the
city,
be
that
you
know
water
or
sanitation,
but
we're
still
working
through
that
with
departments
right
now
to
pull
all
that
together,
but,
like
I
said,
we'll
certainly
have
some
information
for
you
all
at
your
February
meeting.
Thanks.
G
So
two
things
all
we're
talking
about
like
future
upcoming
anticipated
items.
One
is
that
in
on
May
28
2021
I
went
back
and
looked
for
it.
The
finance
department
staff
provided
a
memo.
Titled
budget
impact
of
vacant
positions
and
I
found
that
document
to
be
really
helpful.
G
In
addition
to
the
information,
that's
on
that
document
around
pay
grade
and
how
many
vacancies
by
Department,
which
that
was
so
helpful,
it
would
be
helpful,
in
addition
to
add,
maybe
the
percentage
of
overtime
by
Department,
I'm
thinking,
for
example,
like
if
a
department
had
10
vacancies
with
a
salary
budget
at
Surplus,
let's
say
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
in
this
theoretical
situation
you
have
10
staff
working
overtime
with
the
impact
of
let's
say.
G
Fifty
thousand
you
would
see
like
the
staff
doing
overtime
might
mean
less
of
a
budget
surplus
or
no
budget
surplus,
depending
on
the
apart
department
and
I.
Think
that
kind
of
information
would
be
helpful
to
not
just
a
council
but
to
be
able
to
educate
the
public
on
what's
Happening
behind
the
scenes
when
we're
we're
running
short
staffed
and
a
second
thing
is
around
wages.
So
just
economics
living
wage
policy
is
based
on
the
four-year
data
of
cost
of
housing
in
Buncombe
County
and
to
keep
from
having
to
produce
new
documents
every
year.
G
I
wondered
if
we
could
look
at
the
last
two
or
three
years
of
documents
that
have
been
provided
to
council
see
what
kinds
of
questions
service
service
in
the
past.
So
we
don't
have
to
spend
so
much
time
repeating
the
answers
to
the
same
questions.
I
just
thought
that
might
help
us
look
at
the
wage
decision
as
we
consider
living
wage
policy
again
this
year.
D
Yeah
we
we
can
certainly
provide
data
as
we
go
through
the
process.
I
I
will
say
I
that
certainly
over
time
impacts,
budgets.
I
think
sometimes
folks
do
forget
a
little
bit
about
that
and
I'll
just
give
just
one
example,
and
that's
the
fire
department,
and
you
know
they
have
a
minimum
Staffing
requirement
there,
and
so,
even
when
they
do
have
vacancies,
they
have
almost
no
salary
savings
because
they
end
up
having
to
use
overtime
to
cover
those
vacant
positions
and
so
yeah.
G
I
Ullman
so
Kim
when
you're
tell
me
more
about
what
you're
thinking
about
the
living
wage,
I
just
I
got
a
little
lost
like
you
said
something
about.
When
we
consider
a
living
wage
policy
do
do
we
do
that
annually
or
don't
we
have
just
a
policy
on
the
books
and
as
budgets
are
set,
we
should
be
updating
that
or
you're
wanting
to
look
back.
Just
give
me
a
little
more
so
I
understand
as
I
as
I
can.
G
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
have
learned
through
budget
Cycles,
the
past
couple
budget
Cycles-
is
that
we
it's
not
about
being
in
compliance
with
an
existing
policy.
It's
whether
or
not
we
have
a
policy
every
year
is
sort
of
my
understanding
of
that
I've
been
to
hearing.
If
there
needs
to
be
correction
on
that,
as
this
is
being
discussed
in
this
meeting,
but
each
year
we
have
an
opportunity
to
give
instruction
to
staff
on
making
sure
that
we're
setting
our
budget
so
that
they
can
meet
those
requirements.
G
I
know
that
the
2018
housing
price
is
going
to
fall
out
of
the
equation,
so
there
needs
to
be
I,
think
a
conversation
with
enough
advance
notice.
G
So
we're
not
reacting
to
something
so
late
in
the
game
that
we
can't
provide
instructions
and
support
for
meeting
a
living
wage
policy
this
year,
we're
having
issues
with
Recruitment
and
Retention
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
able
to
inform
each
other
at
this
level,
but
also
the
council
level,
make
recommendations
and
instead
of
asking
staff
to
start
from
scratch
on
like
how
do
we
get
to
a
living
wage
policy?
I
I
While
she's
in
a
meeting
I'll
just
say,
I
appreciate
that
suggestion
and
I
think
living
wage
is
an
essential
part
of
being
a
good,
fair,
just
employer
and
so
I'm
eager
to
see
that
data
baked
in
sooner
than
later.
Because
it's
a
question
that
I
will
also
have
and
want
to
see.
D
Thank
you
all
for
the
input.
I
think
that's
our
last
slide.
I
think
our
next
slide
is
just
to
questions.
So,
if
there's
any
more
questions
on
this
part
of
the
agenda,
Taylor
myself
would
be
happy
to
answer
those
otherwise
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
the
mayor
from
the
next
week.
A
Hey
so
I
have
a
failed,
a
10
fit
using
my
headphones.
So
if
anyone
has
an
echo
I'll,
just
keep
trying
to
mute,
I
just
want
to
say
I
mean
I.
Think
what's
happened
with
living
wage
is
we've
had
a
couple
of
things
going
on
one.
In
the
last
couple
years
we've
been
aggressively
trying
to
increase
wages.
A
Overall
we
did
a
big
wage
study
and
a
couple
years
ago
passed,
it
was
around
seven
million
dollars
in
in
wage
increases,
and
then
last
year
we
we
did
a
pretty
significant
adjustment,
I'm
anticipating
in
order
to
stay
competitive,
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
pretty
serious
wage
pressure
this
year.
But
what
happens
is
in
our
we?
We
we
end
up
having
kind
of
our
folks
that
are
paid
the
least
per
hour
at
the
very
lowest
end.
A
It
doesn't
always
line
up
with
what
the
current
living
wage
and
that's
adjusted
every
year
is,
and
so
I
don't
know
when
those
numbers
will
come
out
in
this
budget
cycle,
but
the
sooner
we
know
what
the
new
living
wage
amount
is
I
mean
I.
Think
Council
has
signaled
in
the
last
few
years
that
they
want
to
stay
within
that.
A
So
I
would
agree
that
it's
it's
kind
of
a
it's
always
a
shuffle
at
the
end,
and
maybe
if
we
could
avoid
that,
that
would
be
fine
and
and
Kim
when
he
used
the
word
policy.
I
mean
I,
guess
what
what
I
understand
you
to
mean
is
making
sure
everybody
in
the
city
is
paid
at
least
a
living
wage
at
every
budget
cycle.
G
Yeah
I
guess
instead
of
policy,
though
this
is
I
mean
if
we
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it,
I
would
love
to
I
think
we
could
look
at
Living
wage
certification,
which
we
need
to
affirm
annually
and
when,
when
the
wage
increases.
A
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
that
would
be
in
addition
to
trying
to
always
make
sure
we're
paying
everyone
a
living
wage.
A
Okay,
anybody
else
have
anything
on
this
topic.
Under
the
CFO
update
before
we
go
to
the
legislative
agenda,
I
want
to
make
sure
everyone's
got
their
questions.
E
Thank
you,
mayor
and
good
morning
to
the
council
members,
as
well
as
other
City
staff
and
those
watching
at
home
today,
I'm
going
to
be
presenting
as
succinctly
as
I.
Can
the
proposed
2023
Asheville
city
council
legislative
agenda?
This
is
something
that
we
do
to
coincide
with
the
start
of
all
of
the
legislative
sessions
of
the
North
Carolina
General
Assembly,
to
provide
to
them
our
request
regarding
upcoming
legislative
opportunities.
E
E
Some
are
new
and
I
can
say
that
City
Council
Members
have
been
extraordinarily
helpful
and
active
in
putting
together
what
is
the
largest
legislative
agenda
that
we
have
had
during
my
tenure
as
City
attorney,
but
I
believe
that
the
items
included
on
this
are
incredibly
impactful
and
important
to
a
significant
number
of
our
community
members.
So
if
I
can
I'd
like
to
jump
straight
into
these,
these
materials
were
provided
to
you
in
writing.
E
So
I'm
going
to
be
somewhat
short
in
describing
each
one,
but
I
do
want
to
go
over
each
in
kind.
The
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
a
request
to
oppose
legislation
that
would
limit
local
authority
to
regulate
short-term
rentals.
This
is
an
authority
which
we
believe
is
absolutely
critical
for
local
governments,
especially
those
with
high
demand
for
tourism
and
tourism
accommodations.
E
Without
this
Authority,
we
believe
that
desperately
needed,
affordable
housing
will
become
even
more
limited,
and
this
could
affect
the
very
character
of
neighborhoods,
which
are
in
kind
threatened
by
a
predominantly
Transit
use,
as
opposed
to
a
residential
one,
and
it's
our
opinion
that
local
governments
are
in
the
best
position
to
balance
the
needs
of
its
local
economy
without
placing
undue
restrictions
on
the
use
of
personal
private
property.
E
The
second
item
is
a
request
to
support
new
legislation
for
State
funding
to
encourage
affordable
housing
development.
Obviously,
this
is
something
that
has
been
first
and
foremost
in
the
minds
of
ashvillians,
as
well
as
the
city
council,
but
it
is
a
problem
that
is
rampant
throughout
the
state.
Recent
Studies
have
suggested
that
here
in
Asheville,
the
rates
of
rent
and
home
prices
continue
to
drastically
outpace
wages
and
wage
increases.
E
We
believe
that
additional
legislation,
and
specifically
additional
funding,
is
needed
at
the
state
level
to
subsidize
affordable
housing
development
throughout
North
Carolina,
and
in
order
to
do
this,
we
believe
that
we
have
now
outpaced
the
abilities
of
local
governments
to
fully
meet
these
subsidy
requirements.
Without
this,
the
disparity
of
those
who
are
struggling
to
afford
housing
will
continue
to
increase
and
a
subsequent
surge
in
homelessness
is
likely
to
occur
felt
mostly
by
our
historically
marginalized
communities.
E
The
third
item
on
the
legislative
agenda
is
a
request
to
oppose
legislation
that
would
remove
or
further
restrict
local
government's
ability
to
utilize
conditional
zoning.
Conditional
zoning
has
become
a
staple
not
just
in
Asheville,
but
throughout
municipalities
in
North
Carolina
for
the
development
of
new
land
use
options.
E
We
would
request,
as
item
number
four
I
believe
to
support
legislation
that
would
update
property
taxation
to
provide
greater
protection
and
Equitable
treatment
for
homeowners
as
inflation
and
a
strong
real
estate
market
continue.
The
property
burden
or
property
tax
burden
on
our
most
vulnerable
throughout
the
state
is
only
exacerbated.
This
is
further
contributed
by
investors,
who
are
now
purchasing
more
and
more
of
the
real
estate
stock
for
investment
and
income
producing
purposes.
E
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
a
request
to
amend
the
North
Carolina
Fair
Housing
Act,
which
is
already
a
wonderful
piece
of
legislation
protecting
against
discrimination
with
housing,
but
we
would
ask
that
the
inclusion
be
made
for
source
of
incomes
as
and
funds
as
a
new
classification
being
protected,
essentially
currently,
individuals
attempting
to
utilize
options
such
as
federally
funded
housing,
Choice
vouchers
continue
to
be
turned
away
from
opportunities
to
lease
residential
property
by
including
source
of
income
and
funds.
E
As
a
new
protective
characteristic,
those
individuals
would
have
the
very
same
protections
as
everyone
else.
Utilizing
alternative
sources,
but
equal
to
pay
their
rent
city
of
Asheville
believes
that
this
action
would
promote
Equity,
especially
among
the
most
marginalized
communities,
but
would
also
Foster
the
goals
which
have
been
expressed
at
the
state
level
of
increasing,
affordable
housing
and
limiting
homelessness.
E
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
deals
with
Public
Safety
and,
as
the
city
continues,
as
many
municipalities
are,
was
struggling
to
obtain
adequate
Staffing
in
our
Public
Safety
departments
and
in
line
with
the
city's
ongoing
plan
to
reimagine
Public
Safety,
we're
asking
for
the
legislative
authority
to
utilize
civilian
investigators
to
respond
to
minor
traffic
incidents.
We
believe
this
very
specifically
with
Target
and
reduce
the
burden
on
existing
Law
Enforcement
Officers,
so
that
they
can
better
focus
on
those
criminal
Elements
which
are
more
attributed
to
their
area
of
expertise.
E
The
next
item
is
one
that
we've
been
dealing
with
specifically
here
in
Asheville,
and
it
is
a
request
to
support
state
and
federal
reparations
efforts.
City
of
Asheville
has
been
committed
now
for
some
time
to
the
effort
of
reparations,
but
believe
that
that
responsibility
should
be
and
needs
to
be
shared
at
all
levels
of
government.
We
have
asked,
as
part
of
the
original
city
council
resolution,
to
call
upon
the
state
and
federal
government
to
add
its
support,
both
financial
and
legislative,
to
this
effort,
and
we
utilize
this
legislative
agenda
to
renew
that
request.
E
We
believe
that
it
is
only
through
that
state
and
federal
options
that
we
can
truly
remove
the
barriers
and
provide
the
necessary
fundings
to
meet
reparations
goals.
Next
deals
with
environmental
issue,
as
we
are
asking
for
support
for
New
State
funding
to
address
water
quality
issues
in
the
fritz
Broad
River
Basin.
Unfortunately,
a
recent
analysis
has
determined
that
the
river
contains
high
levels
of
harmful
bacteria.
This
has
resulted
in
19
miles
of
the
river
in
Buncombe
and
Henderson
County
being
classified
by
the
Department
of
Environmental
Quality
has
officially
impaired.
E
E
And
finally,
we
have
asked
that
the
state
provide
new
and
very
specific
Authority
for
local
governments
to
conduct
electronic
meetings
such
as
the
one
we're
doing
now.
There
is
currently
no
specific
Authority
and
a
question
regarding
how
far
this
Authority
can
extend,
specifically
to
the
primary
meetings
of
city
councils
and
county
commissions.
E
This
Authority
existed
throughout
the
pandemic
under
the
governor's
declared
state
of
emergency,
and
it
was
found
to
be
extraordinarily
useful
not
only
for
the
members
of
these
boards,
but
added
participation
in
transparency
options
for
the
community
at
large,
and
we
believe
that
fostering
and
strengthening
this
through
the
State
Legislative
process
would
be
beneficial
across
the
board.
That
is
the
conclusion
of
the
nine
item.
Legislative
agenda
for
2023.
I
am
more
than
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have.
E
This
will
be
presented
this
evening
at
the
city
council,
full
city
council
meeting,
but
as
I
close
today,
I
would
ask
that
this
particular
committee
moved
to
approve
and
recommend
the
proposed
2023
legislative
agenda
to
the
full
city
council
with
that
I'll
close
and
ask
if
there
are
any
questions.
G
Thank
you.
Brad
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
about
the
legislative
agenda.
One
I
just
wanted
to
name
gratitude
for
the
human
relations
commission's
recommendation
around
the
source
of
income,
suggestion
that
we
have
here
today
and
that
came
with
a
package
of
of
a
dozen
public
comments
from
folks
who
work
with
and
are
impacted
by
discrimination
based
on
source
of
income.
G
I,
wonder
if,
because
we've
named
South
Carolina's
legislation
in
another
legislative
item,
if
we
might
also
add
Virginia's
example
here,
not
necessarily
explicitly
naming
House
Bill
6,
but
if
we
have
a
way
to
show
that
like
proximal
states,
are
adding
these
kinds
of
legislation
to
help
municipalities
and
help
the
people
in
their
state
to
achieve
success.
So
I
also
noted
that
I
had
requested
the
word
funds
be
added
to
source
of
income,
because
House
Bill
6
in
Virginia
passed
as
source
of
funds.
E
G
Then
I
had
a
couple
other
ones
one
is
that
we're
we're
asking
for
State
support
for
affordable
housing
and
I?
G
Think
that's
appropriate,
but
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
that
I
I'm
hearing
across
the
state
of
North
Carolina
from
other
Municipal
electeds
that
the
infrastructure
bill
that
we
saw
coming
from
the
federal
level
to
address
issues
with
their
infrastructure
around
our
roads,
for
example,
really
needs
to
be
backed
up
with
more
Federal
support
for
infrastructure
for
housing
too,
because
when
we
sprawl
and
spread
people
out,
there's
more
burden
on
taxpayers
for
our
roads
and
more
use.
But
we
really
want
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
build
close
to
our
resources
and
prevent
sprawl.
G
A
To
to
dovetail
onto
that
I
know
the
governor
is
looking
at
creating
a
cabinet
dedicated
to
affordable
housing,
and
we
had
a
discussion
about
that
at
the
recent
Metro
mayors
conference,
and
there
was
actually
you
know,
you
know,
talk
about
how
to
help
help
us
be
better
coordinated
as
a
state
and
dealing
with
the
federal
government,
maybe
through
it
having
a
department
that
can
kind
of
bring
alignment
with
with
cities.
Local
governments
across
the
state
I
think
there
are
apparently
a
few
other
states
that
do
have
that
department.
G
I
have
a
couple
more
a
little
bit
like
just
read
off
a
whole
list.
One
is
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
public
support
and
pressure
for
us
to
keep
pushing
on
our
hotel,
occupancy
taxes.
I
don't
see
that
listed
here,
but
we
need
to
be
prepared
for
that.
Moving
forward.
The
there
was
a
request
from
councilwoman
Turner.
That
I
wanted
to
just
name
here
is
that
we
consider
adding
eviction,
protection
or
an
expungement
of
evictions
to
this
list
from
the
limitations
of
what
I'm
looking
at
it.
G
It
seems
that,
because
it's
a
civil
issue,
there
isn't
a
way
to
get
eviction
expunged
in
North,
Carolina,
but
I
know,
there's
been
a
conversation
at
the
council
level
on
what
can
we
do
to
prevent
evictions
from
happening
in
the
first
place
and
we
partner
in
those
efforts,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
request
was
named
and
this
meeting
as
we're
getting
ready
to
make
this
recommendation
and
with
that
said,
I'm
like
happy
to
make
a
recommendation
to
send
this
to
the
full
Council.
A
I
do
I
think
you
raise
a
good
point
about
I
mean
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
long
should
this
list
be
in
terms
of
the
agenda
it,
it
clearly
doesn't
include
everything
we
want,
for
example,
the
transportation
revenues
for
local
governments.
Things
like
that,
and
it's
a
it's
such
a
balancing
act,
because
so
little
of
what
cities
really
need
in
particular,
is
going
to
be
considered
by
the
by
the
legislature
and
that's
been
an
ongoing
issue
for
the
last
several
years.
A
So
you
know
how
much
of
it
is
for
our
own
edification
and
to
let
the
public
know
we
care
about
these
issues
versus
what
can
we
realistically
get
some
traction
on
at
the
legislature
this
session
and
that
you
know
I
hope
folks,
know
that
this
is
not.
This
list
is
not
everything
we
ever
wanted
for
the
city
of
Asheville,
because,
certainly
it's
not
but
it,
but
it's
you
know
we're
trying
to
put
together
a
workable
list
of
things
that
we
might
be
able
to
get
some
movement
on
in
this
legislative
session,
foreign.
A
A
Also,
as
an
aside,
we're
still
working
on
trying
to
schedule
this
breakfast
with
our
legislative
delegation
or
whatever
some
type
of
meeting
where
all
Council
can
meet
with
them,
we're
having
a
bunch
of
scheduling
problems,
so
I
think
the
last
I
talked
with
Jamie
Matthews
yesterday
about
going
back
to
legislators
and
trying
to
get
kind
of
a
doodle
pull
from
them
about
what
available
Mondays
and
Fridays
they
have.
A
They
typically
go
down
Monday
night
and
come
back
Thursday
night,
so
they're
around
Mondays
and
Fridays,
but
they
have
various
things
that
sometimes
are
happening
down
in
Raleigh
on
those
we
the
ends
of
the
week,
so
we've
got
to
find
a
date
that
works
for
everyone.
I
think
it's
very
important
that
we
also
make
sure
all
of
council
can
attend
as
well.
This
is
something
we
used
to
do
before
the
pandemic.
A
Not
every
year,
but
we
tried
to
and
it's
helpful
just
in
terms
of
building
a
relationship.
We
also
have
a
new
state
senator
to
our
East
Senator
Daniel,
so
a
good
opportunity
for
everyone
to
to
meet
everyone.
Okay,
next
on
the
agenda.
C
Hello,
I'm
Nikki
Reed
I'm,
with
the
community
and
economic
development
department.
Typically
in
regard
to
land
use,
incentive,
Grant
requests,
you
hear
from
Sasha
vertinski.
She
is
out
of
the
office
today,
so
I'm
standing
in
I
will
point
out
that
Janice
Ashley
is
also
here
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
C
We
work
closely
with
Janice
on
our
land
use
incentive,
Grant
agreement,
so
I
want
to
acknowledge
her
and
and
also
let
you
know
that
if
you
have
any
legal
questions,
she'll
be
here
to
answer
those
so
Alicia
you
can
move
the
to
the
next
slide,
and
so
really
what
we
wanted
to
do
is
that
we
do
expect
some
land
use
incentive,
Grant
requests
to
come
through
this
Committee
in
February.
So
what
we
thought
we
would
do
today
is
just
provide
an
overview
of
the
program
to
just
basically
act
as
a
primer
for
this
committee.
C
So
that's
really
your
first
in
qualification
to
be
able
to
qualify
for
a
land
use,
incentive,
Grant,
and
so
really.
This
program
has
evolved
over
time
since
2011.
different
requirements,
different
tax
benefits,
our
last
revision
was
in
June
of
2021
and
what
we
hope
to
do
at
that
time
was
really
look
at
how
we
can
convert
existing
market
rate
units
to
Affordable
units.
We
carved
out
some
space
in
the
policy
for
that
as
an
option.
C
But
again
we
want
to
really
continually
improve
this
program
to
meet
Council
strategic
priorities
and
so
we'll
actually
be
pursuing
a
policy
revisions
with
Housing
and
Community
Development.
That's
the
partner
committee
that
also
reviews
land
use,
incentive
grants
and
then
we'll
also
be
checking
in
with
this
committee
and
hopefully
undertake
that
effort
this
spring
next
slide.
C
So
how
does
it
work
so
really
The,
Landings
incentive
grant
program
is
modeled
around
How
We
Do
Economic
Development
incentives
here
at
the
city
of
Asheville.
So
what
you'll
see
is
that
it's
based
on
a
scoring
Matrix
we'll
get
to
that
in
just
a
second.
But
really
we
utilize
that
point
system
to
look
at
one
year
of
taxes
granted
back
so
for
every
five
points
that
allows
for
you
one
year
of
taxes
to
be
granted
back
to
the
developer.
C
So
really,
it
only
relates
to
city
taxes,
of
course,
so
that
incentive
is
only
based
on
the
city
tax
component
of
a
property
owner's
overall
tax
bill.
But
how
we
look
at
that
is
basically
when
we
have
a
a
new
development.
We
forecast
that
future
tax
value
in
relation
to
the
current
tax
value
and
then
that
increment
is
what
we
can
use
to
really
incentivize
the
affordability
right.
So
that
is
the
increment
that
we're
able
then
to
Grant
back
to
the
property
owner
to
really
account
account
for
that
affordability.
C
C
So
we
look
at
that
when
Council
ultimately
approves
the
land
use
incentive
grants,
they
approve
a
maximum
award
and
that's
based
off
of
a
projection.
Although
we
always
right
size
that
when
the
final
tax
valuation
comes
out,
when
a
project
is
complete,
so
what
council
typically
looks
at
is
the
maximum
award,
but
then
we
absolutely
verify
that
once
the
taxes
are
completed
and
evaluated
once
the
project
is
complete,.
A
Nikki
can
I
ask
you
a
question
on
that.
What
happens
when
so
you
get
you
get
the
final
project,
you
get
a
final
valuation
right,
they
get
their
CEO,
but
then
what
about
overtime?
What,
if
five
years
later,
there's
a
reval
and
the
property's
worth
half
a
million
dollars
more.
C
So
we
lock
in
so
our
our
our
maximum
award
is
a
number.
So
no
matter
if
the
total
value
of
the
property
increases
over
time,
we
are
locked
into
a
specific
number,
so
the
grant
award
can
never
exceed
that
final
agreed-upon
number
that
we
publish
and
that
we
agree
upon
in
our
final
land
use
incentive,
Grant
agreement.
Does
that
make
sense.
A
I've
just
had
that
question
from
one
of
the
last
developers
who
was
sort
of
talking
about
why
Luigi
did
or
did
not
work
for
them
asked
me
this
question
and
I
wasn't
sure
of
the
answer
they
they
wanted
it
to
increase
as
the
value
of
the
property
increased,
but
that
that
answers
the
question.
C
Great
so
you're
right,
so
what
we're
looking
at
with
land
use
incentive
Grant
is
that
it's
often
a
program
as
you
can
see
here,
a
maximum
benefit
period
may
may
extend
up
to
21
years,
and
so,
if
you
think
about
the
value
of
that
property
over
the
21-year
period,
it
could
escalate
based
off
of
appreciation
Etc.
So
we
do
lock
in
the
value
of
the
land
use
incentive
Grant
at
the
time
that
the
property
is
evaluated.
C
C
So
let's
look
at
requirements.
So
when
we
think
about
land
use
incentive,
Grant
requirements
are
proposed,
development
must
consist
of
two
or
more
dwelling
units
for
rent,
so
this
typically
works
on
the
rental
product.
The
best,
at
least
of
20
of
the
units
must
meet
the
affordability
standards
for
households,
earning
80
or
less,
and
then
to
that
at
least.
50
percent
of
the
units
must
accept
housing,
Choice
vouchers
or
rental
assistant.
C
There's
other
types
of
vouchers
that
the
policy
speaks
to,
but
allowing
for
that
acceptance
is
something
that
is
a
requirement
of
the
policy,
so
the
period
of
affordability
must
be
at
least
20
years.
Of
course,
the
development
must
be
located
inside
of
city
limits.
C
When
we
look
at
the
overall
use
of
the
development,
at
least
70
percent
must
be
a
residential
use.
So
we
see
some
mixed
use.
Developments,
however,
we
require,
through
land
use
incentive,
grant
that
it
must
be
70
percent.
We've
been
able
to
look
at
that
where
we
do
have
mixed
use
in
in
terms
of
calculating
that
Grant,
just
based
off
of
the
residential
structures
alone.
C
So
we've
had
some
a
utilization
of
of
land
use
incentive
Grant,
but
as
we're
as
we're
defining
it,
we
do
look
at
at
least
70
percent
of
the
built
structure
that
we're
calculating
luigion
should
be
residential,
and
that
caveat
there
not
to
include
a
parking
structure
if
applicable,
and
then
we
also
look
at
the
location
of
the
development.
So
looking
at
convenience
in
terms
of
access
to
jobs,
schools
and
services,
and
we
also
look
at
a
walkability
score
from
walkscore.com
and
that
is
submitted
alongside
the
application.
C
I'm
looking
at
that
right
now,
because
really
where
I
would
expect
that
to
appear
would
be
in
our
scoring
system.
We
can
take
a
look
at
that
in
a
second.
But
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
are
looking
to
make
some
modifications
to
the
policy,
and
so
those
are
some
of
the
items
that
we
may
want
to
incorporate
just
to
continue
to
improve
the
policy.
So
we'll
take
a
look
at
that
scoring
Matrix
in
just
a
second
I'm,
not
seeing
a
specific
call
out
for
accessibility
in
our
scoring
Matrix
Matrix
as
it's
currently
defined.
I
C
Let
me
if
we
can
advance
the
slides
you'll
be
able
to
see
the
actual
scoring
matrix
it's
on
the
we'll
get
to
in
just
a
second.
So,
as
you
can
see
here,
this
really
pertains
to
the
affordability,
so
the
top.
The
first
section
here
is
the
scoring
criteria
for
how
many
units
of
the
total
development
are
considered,
affordable
right
so
that
that
80
or
below
so
right
off
the
bat.
C
You
see
that
for
20
affordability,
which
is
the
minimum
requirement
of
the
policy
you
get
20
points
right
and
then
from
there
on
the
more
affordability
that
you're
able
to
offer
the
more
units
you're
able
to
offer
than
allows
you
to
score
higher
on
the
Matrix.
The
second
piece
is,
then,
the
percentage
of
excuse
me
low
mod
income,
so
that
really
has
to
do
with
I'm.
Sorry,
let
me
reference
this
one.
Last
time.
C
Let
me
get
back
to
that
in
just
a
second
I'm,
a
little
unclear
on
that
Janice
you're,
welcome
to
hop
in
because
that
one
is,
is
the
one
that
I
was
unclear
on,
but
you
can
see
how
that
each
of
these
scoring
criteria
pertains
to
the
affordability,
the
ones
that
I'm
very
familiar
with,
obviously
is
the
length
of
affordability
there
tenant
affordability
at
30
to
50
years.
That's
really
for
how
long
you
agree
to
a
deed
restriction
for
affordability.
So
we
have
10
points
for
30
years.
50,
50
years,
affordability
gets
you
the
20
years.
C
The
next
tranche
there
pertains
to
converting
Market
to
affordability.
So
that's
when
you're
doing
a
conversion
of
having
market
rate
units
that
then
go
toward
affordability.
The
next
tranche
is
really
how
many
of
those
units
will
accept
rental
assistance,
including
a
referral
from
the
homeless
by
name
list.
So
we've
actually
seen
some
uptick
in
that
piece
as
well
accepting
a
person
from
the
homeless
by
name
list
incorporated
into
the
development.
C
If
you'll
go
to
the
next
slide,
then
I
think
that
is
what's
pointing
to
the
location,
efficiency
right.
So
the
Matrix
then
uses
those
other
components
to
really
allow
for
scoring
and
so
we'll
see
that
the
location,
a
quarter
mile
from
a
half
hour,
Transit
stop
within
the
CBD
located
one
mile
from
a
job
or
urban
center.
So
those
really
get
at
some
of
those
earlier
questions
that
we
heard
around
locational
efficiency
there's
also
marks
in
there
for
brownfields
development.
C
You
see
two
some
sustainability
options
for
scoring
points
with
regard
to
sustainability,
Universal
Design,
building
in
a
non-qualified
census
tract.
You
know
that
really
speaks
to
the
idea
of
having
income
diversity
within
neighborhoods
right
so
and
then
the
last
piece
is
around
that
conversion
or
rehab
Redevelopment
one
to
two
for
the
rebuild
for
affordable.
So
that
also
has
to
do
with
a
greater
degree
of
of
affordability
when
you're
doing
a
rehab
or
a
Redevelopment.
I
I
I
It
seems
sorry,
maybe
I'm
just
lost
on
this,
but
it
seems
as
though
it's
not
a
minimum
requirement.
It
could
be
well
outside
of
any
of
those.
Four
locational
line.
Items
in
this
I
see
Janice
Four
Points.
It
would
need
to
be
in
one
of
those
right
James.
Can
you
understand?
Where
are
these
gonna
go?
Are
we
seeing
fundamentally
that
this
incentive
needs
to
be
connected
to
things
that
are
connected
in
these
four
line
items
and
it
doesn't
appear,
as
that
is
a
requirement.
J
I
can
try
to
clarify
I
mean,
there's
really
only
there's
only
a
few
threshold
requirements
to
even
get
into
this
program,
and
that
is
the
the
20
of
the
units
at
80,
Ami
and
I'm
Maybe
I'm,
Wrong,
Nikki,
but
and
accepting
Section,
8
or
subsidized
subsidies.
Now
you'll
get
more
points
for
more
longer
periods
of
affordability
or
lower
income
targeting,
but
yes
other
than
that.
This
is
a
scoring
mechanism
and
the
point
that
Nikki
explained
will
be
contingent
on
what
how
much
you'll
be
able
to
get
as
an
incentive
right.
J
The
current
writing,
and,
and
just
as
an
aside
when
this
started-
and
you
might
remember
when
you
were
at
the
city
years
ago,
this
policy
actually
started
as
a
location
incentive
to
try
to
incentivize
development
along
Transit
quarters.
It
has
evolved
over
the
time
to
focus
mostly
now
on
affordability,
affordable
housing.
We've
had
other
times
where
the
priorities
on
environmental
and
and
energy
efficient
housing
were
higher.
So
it's
all
a
tweaking
process
to
see
what.
I
I
There
are
certain
things
that
are
fundamentally
minimum
requirements,
location,
environmental,
certain
elements
aren't
and
I
just
want
to
chime
in
that
I
was
part
of
setting
up
the
environmental
line,
items
here
and
they're
they're
pretty
outdated
for
Market
standards
for
Environmental,
Green,
Building,
and
so
I
really
hope
that
we
look
forward
to
that.
The
level
of
nuance
and
precision
that
this
tool
has
evolved
in
the
affordable
housing
categories
is
fantastic
and
I
would
like
us
to
see
that
level
of
nuance.
I
For
example,
I
could
put
two
solar
panels
on
and
that
would
get
it
like
that
that
that's,
we
could
be
much
more
precise
to
actually
create
market-based
incentives
in
the
financial
plan
for
these
developments
that
allow
us
to
have
greater
greater
utilization
of
those
environmental
standards.
So
I
look
forward
to
the
community,
helping
us
get
more
Nuance
there,
so
that
there's
utilization
of
the
environmental
components
of
this
as
we're
also
driving
towards
the
affordable.
G
That's
one
of
the
questions
that
I
had
so
solar
panels.
I've
been
asking
around
solar
panels
for
every
residential
development
that
comes
before
Council
and
what
we're
seeing
is
there's
the
shared
utilities
area
and
then
there's
is
it
going
to
work
for
the
residents
as
well?
And
this
is
part
of
affordability
when
we
think
about
the
cost
of
utilities
and
making
these
neighborhoods
more
resilient
and
an
example
of
this
is
that
working
and
speaking
with
the
Housing
Authority
understood
that
the
Maple
Crest
Apartments
they
added
solar
there
to
ensure
deeper,
long-term
affordability.
G
So
I
wonder
if
there's
a
way
for
us
to
maybe
break
this
out
a
little
bit.
Another
question
I
had
is
around
Energy
Efficiency
I
know
some
of
the
applications
have
been
coming
forward,
saying
that
they're
going
to
do
electric
car
infrastructure
and
I
wondered
I,
don't
see
that
here,
but
are
we
allowing
developers
to
get
points
for
electric
vehicle
stations?
C
I
appreciate
the
comment
so
I'm
taking
notes
because
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
as
we
as
we
start
to
look
at
these
revisions,
I'm
hearing
some
of
the
priorities
coming
from
this
committee,
so
I
appreciate
that
so
it
sounds
like
focusing
in
on
the
sustainable
component
will
be
helpful
because
you're
right,
if
the
developer
is
doing
car
charging
stations,
I'm
not
sure
how
it
currently
would
fall
into
any
of
these
categories.
So
perhaps
having
its
stand
out
as
another
element
to
this
or
or
something
to
be
considered
revamped,
as
is
in
order.
C
G
Also
would
need
a
little
bit
more
clarity
on
when
the
housing
developments
are
coming
forward
and
saying
like
they
have.
They
are
doing
this
infrastructure.
Are
we
currently
providing
points
for
that
as
an
incentive,
because
it
says
to
me
here
that
we
either
are
and
shouldn't
or
we're
just
not
naming
it,
so
it
would
help
to
have
some
clarity
on
whether
or
not
we
have
been
providing
points
in
that
incentive
program
for
something
that
we
haven't
outlined
specifically.
I
I
have
one
more
thought
and
I,
don't
know
where
it
fits,
but
my
understanding
with
this
presentation
is
that
there
is
interest
in
US
looking
at
updates
to
this,
and
so
in
the
process
to
do
that,
and
maybe
it's
the
next
slide
I
think
it
would
be
really
helpful
and
important
for
us
to
see
some
utilization
data
of
this.
So
over
the
last
five
years
x,
amount
of
projects
y
amount
of
units,
this
line
out
of
the
incentive,
has
been
used
50
times.
This
line
item
has
never
been
used.
I
That
type
of
utilization
data
will
help
us
understand
how
this
is
actually
effective
or
not,
because
we
can
say
we'll
give
you
an
incentive
for
an
energy,
efficient
water,
heater
and
I'm
deferring
to
the
environmental
side,
because
that's
the
content
place
I
know
most,
but
if
no
one's
using
it
it
means
it's
not
an
effective
incentive.
We
need
the
the
design
of
these
to
match
a
financial
trigger
in
someone's
decision
making.
So
having
a
line
item
that
is
never
used
means
it's
not
actually
incentivizing
the
outcome.
I
G
Okay,
so
I've
been
talking
with
some
other
Municipal
electives
across
the
state
and
when
we
were
are
looking
at
what
Charlotte
is
doing
around
source
of
income
funds
for
incentivized
development
and
then
what
I
understand
that
Durham
is
doing
is
making
sure
that
all
of
incentivized
properties
are
voucher,
accepting?
G
Why?
Wouldn't
we
just
make
it
a
hundred
percent?
Another
conversation
that
I'm
hearing
from
our
colleagues
on
Council
is:
is
it
possible
for
us
to
look
at
a
requirement
of
voucher
holders
and
I
wanted
to
tie
that
in
with
what
we're
looking
at
for
solutions
to
addressing
homelessness
in
our
community?
I
see
that
we
have
this
small
point
for
a
referral
homeless
by
name
list
if
we
are
going
to
have
a
requirement
around
vouchers,
and
we
know
that
neighbors
experiencing
homelessness
in
our
community
are
voucher,
holding
but
not
able
to
access
housing.
A
Nikki,
what
what
is
your,
what
is
the
anticipated
idea
around
tweaking
luige
again
at
this
point,
I
mean
I,
think
we've
tweaked
it
six
times
since
its
Inception
I
could
be
wrong
about
that.
C
Yeah
and
we've
heard
similar
comments
around
voucher
utilization
and
other
components
that
they
would
want
us
to
focus
on.
So
that's
going
to
be
the
direct
question
of
hcd
as
well
is
what
are
the?
What
are
the
criteria
that
they
would
want
to
see?
Much
like
we're
having
this
conversation
now
so,
but
of
course,
our
process
that
we
did
true
with
housing,
trust
fund
and
I'm.
Sorry,
a
little
Echo
is
happening.
C
If
you
want
to
go
on
mute
there,
we
go
so
the
process
that
we
did
with
Housing
Trust
Fund
is
going
to
help
outline
our
process
here
by
looking
at
the
data,
and
you
know
looking
at
yes
how
how
this
criteria
has
been
utilized
by
applicants
in
the
past.
C
What
has
had
no
purchase
whatsoever?
You
know
not.
You
know
that
has
not
been
utilized
and
understanding
if
that's
working
or
if
it
needs
to
be
tweaked
and
then
also
understanding,
if
there's
more
to
add
to
the
scoring
Matrix
that
we
would
want
to
focus
and
incentivize
in
a
different
Manner
and
and
lift
up.
C
You
know
particular
components
that
we
want
to
offer
at
the
incentive
for
so
and,
of
course,
the
other
component
Beyond
data
is
going
to
be
deep,
State,
stakeholder
engagement
and
so
really
working
with
our
affordable
housing
advisory
committee,
as
as
the
the
touch
point
there
with
our
boards
and
commissions
doing
Outreach
to
developers
to
really
understand
what's
working
for
them.
C
What
isn't
you
know
how
this
is
effective
and
then
synthesizing
all
that
information
in
context
with
the
data
to
really
look
at
what
potential
changes
would
be
required.
So
that's
a
that's
a
quick
overview
of
what
that
will
look
like
and
then
working
through
our
committee
levels
as
well
before
it
goes
to
council.
A
So
so,
and
so
you
probably
sorry
about
the
echo
but
so
zooming
out
a
little
bit,
I
guess
I'm
kind
of
wondering
if
we
need
to
be
asking
the
question
of
look
like
is
Luigi
worth
it.
I
mean
it.
The
subsidy
is
incredible.
When
you
look
at
the
number
the
amount
per
unit,
it's
to
me,
a
little
mind-boggling,
given
what
we
get
from
it
and
I
I
would
just
I'm.
Just
sort
of
this
is
rhetorical.
A
It's
not
for
a
decision
today,
but
maybe,
as
hcd
looks
at
it
I'm
very,
very
interested
in
seeing
us
move
ahead
with
the
buy
right,
multi-family
process
with
the
community
benefits
table
and
I'm
just
wondering.
If,
because
you
know,
we
can
sit
here
in
the
weeds
and
tweak
a
policy
and
change
this
or
that,
but
we
know
the
biggest
driver
is
the
market,
and
if
you
know
right
now,
interest
rates
are
rising
like
crazy,
so
we're
going
to
see
a
real,
slow
down
in
building
a
multi-family
housing.
A
Just
we
just
are
no
matter
how
great
our
luige
policy
is
so
I.
Just
wonder
if
you
know
if
a
community
benefits
table
that
had
a
requirement
of
20
affordability
at
80
of
Ami
or
less
without
a
city
subsidy
that
include,
you
know
that
offered
a
buy
right
process
is
a
better
tool
of
getting
to
where
we
need
to
be,
and
in
looking
at
the
voucher
piece
of
it
as
well.
A
I
I'd
like
to
jump
in
on
that,
where
what
I'm
wondering
too
is
in
a
process
standpoint,
should
we
be
starting
like
what
are
the
goals
and
outcomes
we
want
to
achieve,
as
opposed
to
like
what
lines
of
the
tool
like
I
have
ideal
ideas
on
what
lines
of
this
tool
I
would
like
to
see
adjusted,
but
we
also
run
the
risk
of,
if
that's
as
broad
as
the
conversation
goes,
we're
gonna
we're
only
going
to
look
at
one
tool
to
solve
a
little
to
support
a
lot
of
different
Community
benefits
and
outcomes
we
want,
and
that
might
not
get
us
where
we
want
to
go,
and
so
what
I
think
I
hear
Esther
saying
is
like
there's
other
tools
that
we
might
want
to
be
considering
for
these
outcomes,
and
if
we're
going
to
have
a
effort
towards
this,
just
looking
at
this
one
tool
might
be
narrow
to
get
to
where
we
want
to
go
and
I
I
support
that
zoom
out
process
and
getting
clear
on
what
outcomes
we
would
want
to
see
foreign.
G
I'll
just
jump
in
here
and
say
that
I
know:
we've
talked
in
the
past
about
a
community
benefits
table
so
that
we
could
look
at
I
would
like
to
see
us
look
at
the
displacement
part
of
that,
while
we're
considering
the
community
benefits
table
just
like
we
do
at
the
lodging
Community
benefits
table.
But,
for
example,
if,
if
we're
having
issues
with
staff
capacity
and
time
I'm
curious,
if
we
should
spend
our
resources
on
looking
at
a
community
benefits
table
to
get
to
those
outcomes
like
Maggie
said
versus
revisiting
Luigi
can.
C
I
mean
I
think
this
is
all
very
helpful,
because
I
think
what
the
benefit
is
that
as
we
as
we
consider
any
policy
changes
really
having
this.
This
early
input
is,
is
really
valuable
for
staff.
So
I
appreciate
the
comments
and
of
course
you
know
to
be
said
like
yes,
this
tool
is
primarily
for
for-profits
for-profit
market
rate
development
units
to
incorporate
affordable
units
so
but
for
a
land
use
incentive
Grant.
Would
the
development
include
any
affordability
throughout
the
development
and
so
to
the
other
points
like?
C
Is
it
a
conditional
zoning
tool
or
a
buy
right
development
tool
that
allows
that
to
happen?
You
know,
but
for
that
buy
right
would
you
know,
would
that
occur?
Those
are
I,
think
there's
a
really
spot-on
policy
questions,
and
so,
if
we
can
just
run
through
the
the
rest
of
the
slides,
I
do
have
a
slide
on
the
utilization
since
2010,
so
I
think
we'll
we'll
get
there
so
next
slide.
C
So
again,
just
quick
highlights
on
the
approval
process.
You
know
staff
review.
We
then
talk
with
the
applicant
and
review
that
information.
We
talk
through
any
issues
it.
C
It
then
goes
next
to
Housing,
Community,
Development
and
really
their
charge
is
to
look
at
that
strategic
goal:
alignment
with
respect
to
affordable
housing,
and
so
the
way
we've
thought
about
the
finance
committee
in
the
past
and
now
the
policy
Finance
HR
committee
is
really
for
that
Financial
oversight
component,
so
really
kind
of
looking
at
the
responsibilities
of
each
committee
as
it
relates
to
the
implementation
of
land
use
incentive.
Grant
go
ahead.
I
I
wonder
if
there's
a
place
for
the
environment
and
Public
Safety
Committee
in
these
processes
going
forward,
given
that
there
are
environmental
sustainability
elements,
we
know
that
the
way
buildings
are
built
today
will
shape
who
our
community
is
and
what
type
of
energy
and
climate
impact
we
have
for
60
75
years
and
as
I
hope
that
our
incentives
actually
start
incentivizing
those
outcomes,
because
I
would
argue
they
aren't
right
now.
I
I
think
that
that
committee
could
have
value
to
make
sure
that
again
we're
getting
Nuance
in
our
incentives,
because
right
now,
they're
so
unnuanced
I
would
love
to
see
the
data
to
say
otherwise,
but
I
think
that
they
are
having
any
impact
in
the
community.
So
I
I
would
be
curious
if
environment
and
Public
Safety
could
contribute
to
this
as
well.
C
I
think
just
jotting
that
down
and
so
you'll
see
I
mean
ultimately
city
council
will
review
it
at
the
the
I
mean
really
what
we
look
at
hcd
and
this
committee
to
take
action,
and
then
it
goes
to
council
for
final
review
and
vote
and
then,
after
it's
approved,
that's
when
we
really
start
the
process
to
draft
the
agreements,
including
a
deed
restriction.
So
next
slide
it
kind
of
shares
so
post
approval.
C
This
is
how
it
really
plays
out
right.
So
after
Council
sees
it,
if
it's
approved,
then
a
land
use
incentive.
Grant
agreement
is
drafted
and
also
a
deed
restriction.
So
that
is
our
way
that
we
protect
the
city's
investment.
In
this
case,
these
documents
are
vetted
through
legal
executed
and
then
the
restrictions
are
recorded
at
the
courthouse.
So
that's
a
great
reference
for
how
this
persists
in
that
in
that
time
period
that
is
allowed
for
through
the
grant
agreement.
C
Then,
as
you
know,
as
the
project
comes
to
completion
and
that
final
assessment
of
taxes
is
then
made,
then,
after
that
we
do
the
monitoring
and
the
management
of
the
incentive,
and
so
that's
when
the
payments
are
made.
As
reimbursements
so
property
owners
that
hold
Landings
incentive
grants,
they
must
pay
their
taxes.
C
This
is
just
like
the
economic
development
incentives
program,
Property
Owners
pay
their
taxes
and
then
they
submit
that
payment
request
to
staff
with
proof
of
documentation
of
the
taxes
paid
as
well
as
documenting
that
they
have
rented
those
units
as
promised
to
qualified
households,
and
that
happens
year
over
year.
Okay,
next
slide
budget
process.
C
So
then
we
coordinate,
you
know
as
these
are
approved
and
then
the
grant
Agreements
are
executed
and
then
once
the
developments
come
out
of
the
ground,
as
you
can
imagine,
that
might
take
a
couple
gears
really
to
see
that
from
approval
to
completion,
and
so
we
work
closely
with
the
budget
office
then
to
incorporate
that
into
the
council's
budget
every
year.
So
you
actually
end
up
seeing
the
land
use
incentive
grants
reflected
in
the
budget
process
process
year
over
year.
C
Okay,
so
next
slide.
So
this
is
really
just
a
case
study.
So
this
is
what
the
finance
committee
saw
for
the
request
for
approval
of
2221
Long
Shoals
Road.
So
we'll
just
do
a
quick
run
through
of
what
the
community
can
expect
to
see
when
a
when
considering
these
requests
so
you'll
see
a
project
background
where
we
have
a
total
apartment.
186
apartments
with
community
space
housing
is
a
hundred
percent
of
all
the
rental
square,
footage
of
the
186
37
of
the
rental
apartment.
C
So
that's
20
will
be
affordable
serving
that
80,
Ami
and
below
for
a
minimum
of
20
years.
So
meeting
that
requirement
right.
There
then
some
details
about
the
project,
this
one
5.36
Acres
their
unit
mix
for
affordable
units,
18
one
bedroom
units,
19
Studio
units,
and
then
it
has
some
discussion
around
the
units.
Accepting
vouchers
will
be
the
one
bedroom
units
and
one
studio,
and
so
this
was
actually
approved
at
Council
last
July
next
slide
project
location.
You
can
see
it's
on
Lake
Julian
next
slide.
C
So
this
is
this
is
a
quick
snapshot
of
how
the
point
system
played
out
so
20
total
points
for
that
affordability.
So
meeting
that
requirement
of
the
affordability
was
automatic.
20
points
10
points
for
rental
assistance,
five
points
for
the
housing
for
one
person
on
the
by
name
list,
10
points
for
that
location.
20
points
met
the
requirement
for
the
Energy
Efficiency
and
solar
panels
in
The
Matrix.
There
10
points
for
the
Universal
Design
10
points
for
being
in
a
non-qualified
census
track.
C
So
when
we
look
at
that
Matrix
and
look
at
the
application
and
how
they
have
aligned
with
the
Matrix,
this
project
scored
85
points
which
translates
into
17
years
of
taxes
paid
back.
So
next
slide
shows
the
math
that
we
do
so.
We
look
at
the
current
text,
value
of
the
property
and
we
estimate-
or
we
calculate
exactly
what
the
cities
take
of
the
property
taxes
is.
Then
we
look
at
that
estimate
of
the
post
completion
value
once
all
improvements
are
complete
and
then
we
calculate
the
city's
property
tax
basis
there.
C
When
we
look
at
that
difference,
that
really
becomes
our
incentive,
the
increment
of
the
incentive
that
we're
able
to
offer
so
that
91
000
really
represents
what
we're
able
to
Grant
back
to
the
landowner
for
the
next
17
years.
So
that's
how
how
we
calculate
that
Grant
back
of
taxes,
so
the
total
Grant
then
is
estimated
at
1.5
million
over
the
life
of
the
Luigi
Grant
agreement
over
that
17-year
period.
And
now,
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
I
mean
what
so,
what
we?
C
What
we
think
about
when
we
we
try
to
assess
whether
this
is
a
a
good
tool
to
incentivize,
affordable
housing.
Is
this?
Is
this
really
you
know
per
unit
subsidy
right,
so
we
have
data
from
our
Housing
Trust
Fund
in
terms
of
how
much
Housing
Trust
Fund
it
takes
to
accomplish
an
affordable
unit.
In
this
case
you
know,
the
subsidy
at
Long
Shoals
was
41
977
per
unit.
So
when
we
look
at
that
total
life
that
1.5
million
over
17
years,
we
calculate
that
back.
C
We
are
essentially
offering
a
a
buy
down
right
of
each
affordable
unit
at
the
cost
of
41
000,
almost
42
000
per
per
unit
right.
We
have
a
cap
in
the
policy
of
80
000,
so
we
will
never
exceed
80
000,
then
per
unit
by
the
time.
We
look
at
that
math
and
and
understand
the
total
incentive.
We
will
not
exceed
that
cap,
so
that's
another
limit
of
the
policy
is
currently
written
to
really
reflect
what
we're
used
to
seeing
with
per
unit
subsidies,
using
our
other
tools.
C
So
again
after
then,
the
grant
period
is
complete.
Then
we
receive
the
full
amount
of
the
annual
tax
revenue.
Of
course,
as
we
noted
before
it
can
go
up
over
time
depending
upon
tax
rates,
property
appreciation,
Etc,
but
our
our
subsidy
stays
constant,
go
ahead
with
that
question.
G
So
staying
on
the
finance
part
of
this,
do
we
have
a
way
to
communicate
to
the
public?
What
percentage
of
the
Luigi
incentivized
units
over
say
that
a
period
of
like
five
to
seven
years
are
still
being
subsidized
because
they're
getting
the
property
tax
return
and
how
many
of
the
units
are
still
affordable
and
I
I?
Think
the
homeless
by
name
list
is
an
easy
example
for
this
one,
because
it's
one
room
if
that
room
is
that
one
unit
is
filled
and
then
becomes
vacant.
G
C
I
think
that's
a
great
question
and
that's
a
great
area
for
our
department
to
really
improve
our
monitoring.
So
that's
what
we
really
call
monitoring.
So
it's
the
year
over
year,
assessment
of
and
doing
that,
oversight
of
who
who's
benefiting
right,
who
are
in
the
units
having
I
mean
what
we
should
see
every
year
is
that
when
a
property
owner
submits
their
request
for
payment,
that
kind
of
documentation
is
submitted
alongside
that
request
for
payment.
So
we
should
be
able
then,
to
take
that
data.
C
C
Well,
we're
receiving
the
requests
now
I.
Just
don't
think
that
we
publish
that
data
or
have
reports
that
are
published
at
Council,
but
I
think
perhaps
that's
something
that
we
consider,
even
as
part
of
the
policy,
perhaps
is
just
to
be
able
to
provide
something
like
an
annual
report.
I
mean
I'm,
certainly
hoping
that
we
can
incorporate
that,
but
we
certainly
receive
that
documentation
as
we
approve
those
annual
payments
we
just
haven't
had
that
follow-through
of
reporting
out
Deborah
did
you
want
to
chime
in
I
I.
F
Just
wanted
to
reiterate
what
you
just
said:
we
are
doing
the
monitoring
we
just
aren't
doing
the
publishing
and
presenting
it
to
to
Council
on
a
annual
basis
or
regular
basis.
I.
G
C
C
So
we
have
had
projects
that
have
that
have
come
to
fruition
that
are
fully
built.
So
157
units
have
been
built.
You
can
see
the
projects
referenced
there.
C
We
have
about
78
units
that
are
under
construction
again,
they're
they're
part
of
of
larger
developments,
but
they
represent
the
that
number
represents
the
affordable
units
that
are
being
developed.
As
part
of
these
projects,
then
we're
seeing
like
there
are
some
units
that
have
been
approved
but
they've
not
yet
started,
and
so
Collier
Creek
Greenway
Apartments,
even
the
one
we
just
referenced,
the
221
long
shoals
they
might
have
been
approved,
but
perhaps
they're
still
in
the
pre-construction
phase,
et
cetera
so
and
then
last.
This
slide
was
actually
done.
C
Last
fall
and
Council
saw
the
110
River
Hills,
Parkway
and
approve
that
last
fall,
so
that
actually
would
then
slot
up
into
the
approved
units,
but
not
yet
started.
So
if
we
look
at
the
life
of
the
program,
then
that
represents
about
337
and
what
I'm
hearing
is.
It
would
be
really
helpful
to
have
perhaps
the
overall
total
that
has
been
affiliated
with
that
number
of
units
and
then
how
that
kind
of
shakes
out
with
that
incentive.
So
that's
some
of
the
data
work
that
we
can
do
when
we
look
at
that
policy.
G
C
Absolutely
and
and
I
think
what's
interesting
is
that
you
know
if
we
look
at
the
affordable
units
that
have
been
built,
you
know
each
of
those
projects
will
have
their
own
timeline.
So
we'll
have
to
be
cognizant
of
how
you
know
some
may
cycle
out
since
2010.
You
know,
they're
I
think
there
have
been
a
number
of
projects
approved
for
smaller
term
a
land
use
incentive
grants
not
a
full
21
years,
so
I
think
that's
the
other
thing
to
note
and
keep
in
mind.
I
But
also
I'd
love
to
see
when
we're
looking
at
data
like
this
it,
it
feels
like
it's
just
kind
of
floating
data.
It's
not
contextualized
by
the
scale
of
the
problem.
We're
trying
to
solve,
and
so
I
also
know
that
you
know
when
we're
doing
priority,
setting
and
goal
setting,
we
I
think
have
opportunity
to
involve
metrics
and
Targets
in
that
as
well.
So
maybe
this
is
a
retreat
conversation,
I'm,
not
really
sure
but
337
out
of
what
is
that
one
percent?
I
The
need
for
the
latest
I
saw
is
like
4
000,
affordable
units-
you
know,
but
the
data
outside
of
context
makes
it
tricky
to
really
track
our
progress
to
understand
the
market
penetration
and
the
market
impact,
and
so
I
really
encourage
us
as
we're
moving
towards
the
retreat
and
as
we're
moving
towards
policy
changes
like
this
to
have
the
data
contextualized
and
have
our
goals
integrating
targets,
because
we
do
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
this
and
I
want
us
to
spend
time
on
this.
I
To
what
end
you
know,
is
it
work,
so
the
bigger
the
bigger
thing
I'm
lifting
is
not
necessarily
critiquing
the
lead
or
Luigi
program.
But
if
we're
going
to
spend
700
staff
hours
on
this-
and
it
will
result
in
four
more
units
for
something
that's
only
addressing
the
problem,
half
a
percentage
that
context
helps
me
understand
level
of
effort
to
Focus.
C
C
Great
so
I
think
this
is
a
great
conversation
that
helps
us
illuminate
right.
All
the
different
pieces
of
data
that
are
needed
for
a
thorough
policy
analysis,
the
types
of
different
levers
we
can
push
and
pull
as
it
relates
to
affordable
housing,
but
then
other
goals
that
that
Council
has.
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
I
think
this
starts
to
walk
us
through
yeah.
C
What
we've
been
talking
about
with
respect
to
policy
considerations
and
so
looking
those
scope
of
revision.
So
looking
at
that
point
system
eligible
uses
on
our
side,
the
required
documentation,
and
maybe
that
kind
of
also
factors
in
annual
reporting
things
like
that
can
be
considered
again
just
outlining
the
process,
as
we've
talked
before,
Housing
Community
Development,
really
our
Housing
Trust
Fund.
C
Doing
that
stakeholder
conversation
interviews
with
developers,
internal
City
staff,
development,
service
staff,
certainly
planning
staff,
and
really
look
at
compiling
all
that
information
to
inform
the
the
process,
but
it
it
certainly
can
take
a
number
of
months
to
Cobble
all
this
together,
but
I
think
this
input
has
been
so
helpful
for
us
to
really
kick-start
in
good
faith,
so
I
think
our
next
slide.
C
May
yeah
get
wrap
us
up,
so
this
so
back
to
our
key
takeaways
since
2011
it's
been
going
really
is,
is
a
useful,
affordable
housing
tool
definitely
has
evolved
over
time.
So
we're
really
wanting
to
to
see
where
we
end
up
next.
But
you
know
we're
excited
about
those
revisions
and
about
you
know
having
this
conversation
with
committees
and
Council
on
on
where
they
want
to
see
this
policy
go.
I
Me
again
so
earlier
I
heard
a
lot
of
alignment
between
councilwoman
Roney
and
mayor
manheimer
and
myself.
That
Luigi
is
one
tool
and
we
always
want
it
to
be
continuously
improving
and
it
will
take
a
lot
of
Staff
time
and
effort
and
an
interest
in
looking
at
use
by
right
type
of
conditional
use
stuff.
So
when
will
that
conversation
Circle
back
to
us
of
if
we're
having
to
make
a
choice,
because
there's
only
so
much
staff
time.
F
What
I
will
say,
though,
is
think
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
every
unit
affordable
unit
that
we
can
deliver
to
this
community
is
number
one
much
needed,
and
it
is
something
that,
from
a
public
sector
perspective,
we
think
we
should
be
engaged
in
with
this
particular
tune.
I
think
what
we
are
debating
is
cost
benefit.
F
You
know
what
is
it
costing
us
to
deliver,
how
many
units
in,
and
is
there
a
different
or
more
effective
tool
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at
or
considering
that
might
Deliver
us
both
benefit
and
Cost
Less,
because
I
mean
the
mayor's
right
in
terms
of
you
know
this.
This
particular
program
defers
and
grants.
F
Benefits
to
the
developer,
but
it
it
definitely
cost
us
a
lot
per
unit
to
deliver
that
unit.
So
I
think
if
you
would
give
us
a
little
time
process
what
you've,
what
we've
heard
and
then
we'll
come
back,
because
Luigi
is
being
looked
at
in
two
committees,
and
so
we've
got
to
figure
out
a
way
of
how
we
manage
that
conversation.
A
month's
both
committees.
B
A
E
A
All
right
do
we
have
anyone
in
the
queue
to
make
public
comment
at
this
meeting.
No.
A
Thank
you
all
right
folks.
If
that's
it
we're
we're
adjourned.