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From YouTube: Housing and Community Development – February 8, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the Asheville City Council's Housing & Community Development Committee.
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A
We
are
live.
Thank
you.
Good
morning.
Everyone
I
am
chair.
Sage
Turner
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
February,
8th,
2023,
Housing
and
Community
Development
committee
meeting.
All
council
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
today
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
welcome
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll,
be
stating
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
A
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement,
Hub
and
that
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen
live
by
phone
for
today's
meeting.
We
have
the
option
to
also
call
in
and
comment
live
during
the
meeting.
So
the
number
to
call
in
and
comment
live
is
or
to
just
listen
is
855-925-2801.
The
meeting
code
is
9791,
your
phone
will
be
muted
and
you
will
hear
the
meeting
live
at
this
point
to
speak.
A
You
will
need
to
push
star
three
and
I
will
enter
you
in
the
speaker.
Queue:
okay,
we're
going
to
go
through
a
little
rule,
call
of
everyone.
That's
with
us
today,
if
you
could
just
say
a
quick
hello
when
I
call
your
name:
councilwoman,
Antonette,
Mosley,
hello,
councilwoman,
Shanika,
Smith,
hello
assistant,
city
manager,
Rachel
Wood,.
A
Right,
thank
you,
everybody
for
being
with
us.
Today.
We
have
five
items
on
the
agenda
today
and
then
an
additional
item
at
the
end
for
public
comments
and
I'll
again
I'll
announce
each
items:
we're
going
to
get
kicked
off
with
item
number
one,
which
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
December
6
2022.,
because
woman
did
you
have
any
questions,
changes
or,
if
not
may
I
get
a
motion
still
moved.
Second:
okay,
because
we're
virtual
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote,
councilwoman,
Mosley,
aye,
councilwoman,
Smith,
all.
F
A
Myself,
councilwoman
Turner
aye
all
right,
so
item
number
one
is
wrapped
up.
The
minutes
are
approved.
Moving
on
to
item
number
two
is
the
ahac
annual
report
and
we
have
staff
senior
Sasha,
bersinski
and
chair
of
the
affordable
housing
committee,
Barry
Bialik
with
us
today.
This
is
the
action
on
this,
which
is
to
be
to
receive
a
presentation
and
provide
feedback
and
go
ahead.
Sashi,
Sasha
or
Berry.
You.
G
D
Thank
you,
councilwoman
Turner,
I
I
will
turn
this
over
to
Barry
Bialik,
who
is
the
chair
of
ahac
of
our
affordable
housing
advisory
committee.
So.
H
Hello,
everybody
thanks
for
having
thanks
for
having
me
Council,
counselors,
I'm,
very
Bialik,
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
and
we're
here
to
talk
about
our
annual
report,
talk
about
some
of
the
recommendations
that
floated
to
the
top
and
talk
about
some
of
the
priorities
for
the
year.
So
you
know
one
of
the
one
of
the
key
things
that
we'll
talk
about
is
recommend.
H
You
know,
recommendations
that
came
came
to
the
top,
are
updating
updating
the
2008,
affordable
housing
plan
because
we
know
the
last
time
the
plan
was
updated,
was
2008,
so
we're
kind
of
operating
on
policies
that
have
been
created
since
then,
but
the
overall
comprehensive
plan
really
could
use
for
an
update.
So
you
know
that's
our
first
priority
recommendation
that
we're
recommending
like
an
update,
process
and
I
think
that
will
involve
you
know,
consultants
and
rfps,
but
we
definitely
want
to
push
that.
H
The
other
item
we'd
like
to
really
bring
to
the
top.
Is
you
know
we
we,
as
a
committee,
one
of
our
one
of
our
top
accomplishments
from
the
past
year,
and
so
was,
was
pushing
for
advocating
for
the
creation
of
what
is
soft
as
a
position
and
affordable
housing
officer
having
having
someone
for
the
city
that
actually
has
affordable
housing
and
their
title
is
really
important
and
Sasha's
has
been
doing
an
amazing
job
and
so
proud
of.
H
You
know
what
she's
done
so
proud
of
y'all
for
supporting
her
so
proud
of
our
committee.
For
for
being
such
an
advocate
for
this
position,
so
one
of
the
paired
conversations
I'd
like
to
have
about
this
is
years
ago.
There
was
discussion
about
an
ombudsman
or
a
position
in
development
services
that
is
an
affordable
housing
specialist,
whether
it's
a
standalone
physician
or
a
planner
or
planner
viewer,
who
specializes
and
is
familiar
with,
affordable
housing
nuances
would
be
very
helpful.
H
There
tends
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
you
know,
disconnect
from
the
let's
say,
the
brains
to
the
bronze,
sometimes
that
they're,
you
know,
data
development
services,
they're
carrying
out
the
you
know,
the
the
plans
that
are
brought
to
them
and
that
they're
supposed
to
be
given
a
priority
to
affordable
housing
projects
and
that
that
hasn't
always
happened.
So
what
we
really
would
like
to
see
is
some
kind
of
you
know
whether
it's
a
dedicated
position
or
exploring
how
someone
can
be
designated
as
an
affordable
housing
specialist.
H
That
way,
they're
aware
of
the
special
situations
that
affordable
housing
projects
require.
H
That's
definitely
something
that
we
think
would
be
very
really
helpful.
Since
they
see
you
know
development
services,
they
tend
to
see
the
the
small
problems
that
come
up
in
carrying
things
out
and
that
we
now
you
know
we
can
it'll
help
us
have
a
better
look
at
policy
overall.
H
Another
recommendation
that
we're
asking
is
we
learned,
you
know
through
one
of
our.
We
we
have
some
task
forces
within
ahac
one's
called
the
build
one's
called
the
connect,
our
build
task
force.
What
we've
done
in
what
some
of
our
meetings
is
met
with
different
disciplines
met
with
like
planning,
sewer,
water,
all
sorts
of
people,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
learned
that
I
think
many
people
did
not
know
is
that
MSD
is
not
allowed
in
their
Charter
to
proactively
extend
their
own
lines.
H
It's
not
a
state
law.
It's
just
the
way
the
MSD
Charter
is
written,
so,
which
means
it
puts
all
of
the
development
and
extension
of
all
Mains
armed
private
developers,
and
what
we're
recommending
is
that
we
look
for
how
that
can
change,
especially
with
a
growth
plan
that
overlays
looking
at
where
our
zoning
is
where
we
already
have
gun
zoning
that
doesn't
have
sewers
to
it.
H
How
do
we
get
the
sewer
to
it
because
we
have
a
lot
of
land
within
the
city
and
within
the
county
too,
but
land
plenty
of
land
within
the
city
that
is
not
accessible
by
by
sewer
Mains?
And
it's
just
not
for
some
smaller
projects
or
even
larger
projects?
It's
not
feasible
for
the
for
a
private
developer.
To
do
that,
so
we
want
to
see
ways
that
MSD
can
proactively
do
that.
Right
now
they
they
don't
Henderson
County.
They
do
so
that
it's
a
different.
H
A
Larry
I
don't
want
to
interrupt
you
mid
presentation.
I
just
would
like
that.
Okay,
so
because
we,
these
are
great
I'll
elaborate
later,
but
I
thought
we
had
learned
that
the
MST
thing
was
a
board
issue.
So
are
you
saying
that
now
you've
learned
that
it's
actually
a
charter
issue
that
needs
legislative
action?
It's
not
just
the
MSD
board
re-voting.
H
A
H
A
H
Could
be
correct,
yeah,
okay,
just
to
be
clear,
I
think
the
wording
may
be
a
little
off
on
that
yeah
I.
Think
I
think
it
is
a
board
issue,
and
you
know
in
in
that
regards
you
know
we
we
also
have
been
trying
to
get
there
with
MSD
MSD
board
seats
are
traditionally
the
two
City
seats
have
been
held
by
council
members
versus
I,
think
mayor
and
Council
Council
people
and
then
those
what's
interesting
is
those
as
people
float
off
Council.
H
They
remain
on
the
board
so
currently
on
the
MSD
board.
I
think
Chris
Kelly
is
still
on
it.
Who's
appointed
from
city,
council
and
I
believe
you
know,
Gwen
Whistler
is
still
on
the
board
and
we've
we've
really
been
lobbying
in
one
of
our
one
of
the
applicants
for
a
board
seat
recently
was
aheac
member
Chris
Day,
who
has
you
know
such
vast
technical
knowledge,
so
we've
been
trying
to.
You
know
help
on
that
in
our
own
way.
H
But
thanks
for
that
clarification,
the
the
you
know
other
item.
We
recommend,
as
a
priority,
is
looking
looking
at
adopting
a
consistent
set
of
qualifications
and
scoring
criteria
for
all
of
the
different
programs
that
we
have
and
that
they're
grounded.
H
You
know
that
they're
that
there's
a
document
or
something
that
we
can
ground
them
in
the
connect
team
from
ahec
has
been
really
focusing
on
the
kind
of
the
equity
discussion
and
how
they
can
create
something
of
an
equity
scorecard
for
projects,
and
we
think
that's
a
priority,
and
we
would
like
to
see
how
that
can
be
pursued.
H
So
that's
what
we're
asking
is,
you
know,
recommendations
to
y'all
to
pursue,
for
you
know,
2023,
based
on
on
how
that
plan
comes.
You
know
how
the
2008
update
comes
to
play
so
really
creating
a
new
policy.
We're
definitely
will
be
participating
in
that
discussion.
H
We
also
want
to
look
at
the
Louise
policy.
You
know
that
that's
up
for
discussion
about
kind
of
updating
that
a
little
closely
aligning
with
Council
goals
and
community
and
then
also
reviewing
kind
of
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
score
scoring
criteria
and
how
that
process
works
for
making
recommendations
to
the
hcd.
Currently
we're.
You
know
we're
an
advisory
committee
on
policy,
so
these
applications
don't
necessarily
float
through
us.
H
We
don't
vote
on
them,
but
these
applications
that
do
when
they
have
been
brought
to
our
attention,
whether
it's
Louise
or
Housing,
Trust
Fund.
We
we're
in
the
weeds
a
lot
of
this
some.
You
know
our
members
are
on
the
weeds
of
this.
So
much
more,
so
we
do
understand
some
of
the
nuances
that
come
together.
So
we
we'd
like
to
you,
know,
review
that
criteria
and
then
be
you
know.
H
Another
one
of
our
parties
for
2023
is
the
missing
middle
study,
which
I
believe
was
just
the
RFP
went
out
and
I
believe
it
was.
The
decision
was
made
for
opticos,
which
is
phenomenal
since
they're
the
ones
that
designed
that
diagram,
that
we
all
use
so
I'm
excited
and
excited
for
that.
H
The
other
part
of
your
hex
is
going
to
be
part
of.
Is
the
luige
policy
revision.
We
had
an
initial
conversation
about
it.
There's
a
couple
of
items
that
floated
to
the
top
that
maybe
we
should
look
at
one
of
them
is
micro
units
and
how
they
should
be
addressed.
I
know
that's
kind
of
up
on
your
agenda.
H
Next,
the
there's
a
question
about
whether
you
know
I
guess
they
fit
the
definition
of
a
unit,
but
whether
we
should
look
at
a
different
kind
of
standard
for
them,
whether
it's
more
like
a
higher
percentage
of
vouchers
or
you
know
we-
there
was
discussion
about
a
scaled.
You
know
amount,
but
you
know
I
get
I,
guess
in
reality.
When
you
think
about
it.
They're
all
their
tax
value
is
less,
so
the
amount
is
currently
kind
of
already
scaled.
So
but
I
think
it's
definitely
a
conversation
topic
we
would
like
to
look
at.
H
The
other
part
is
understanding
the
policy
and
bedroom
mixes,
because
right
now
it
doesn't
really
have.
But
that
is
something
that,
when
we
have
had
the
opportunity
to
look
at
Luigi
applications,
we've
brought
to
the
attention
that
that
Luigi's
applications
shouldn't
have
a
single
class
of
unit
and
that
there's
such
a
need
for
family
units
and
how
we
can
encourage
a
little
bit
more
of
a
bedroom
mix.
I
Yeah
thanks
Barry
I
was
hoping
you
could
go
back
for
just
a
second
and
discuss
that
scaling,
thought
process.
Sure
what
does
that
look
like
scaling
according
to
size
per
unit,
or
are
you
saying
luige
if
it's
for
certain
types
of
units,
the
amount
of
tax
incentive
is
lessened
for
without
getting
into
what
yeah.
H
H
Little
bit,
you
know,
I
think
this.
We
had
such
an
initial
conversation
about
it.
Just
knowing
we're
coming
here
so
I
think
we're
just
looking
for
some
feedback
from
y'all.
What
you
see
is
important.
It's
we
haven't
decided
anything
or
had
any
lengthy
discussions.
This
will
be
coming
up,
but
one
of
the,
but
it's
it's
come
up.
You
know
it's
come
up
just
in
Practical
use
of
these
applications,
so
there's
different
ways.
It
could
be
I
think
you
know
whether
it's
you
know
I
was
thinking
of
like
originally.
H
There
was
a
discussion
about
scaling
the
amount,
but
I
guess
the
reality
is.
The
amount
is
naturally
scaled,
because
it's
based
on
tax
value
and
the
tax
value
of
a
small
unit
is
less
than
the
tax
value
of
a
large
unit.
So
essentially
the
the
amount
is
scaled
already
for
these
projects,
because
it's
a
lower
tax
amount
and
Luigi
is
solely
based
on
future
tax
amounts.
So
in
some
ways
it
is
kind
of
already
scaled.
H
One
of
the
you
know.
Another
method
that's
brought
up
is
maybe
whether
to
just
to
increase
in
these
projects
increase
the
percentage
of
vouchers.
That
would
be
accepted.
You
know
that's
another
way
to
look
at
it,
so
I
I,
don't
think
there
hasn't
been
any
lengthy
discussion.
These
are
just
in
a
very
you
know,
a
very
simple
agenda
item
on
us.
I
H
Not
specifically
for
the
micros
I
guess
the
micros
is
just
there's
such
a
need
of
one
I
mean
there
is
such
a
need.
There's
such
a
need
of
one.
You
know
unused
one-bedroom
vouchers
that,
obviously
you
know
a
micro
unit.
Development
is
not
going
to
help
much
for
a
family
unit,
so
where
a
micro
unit
can
help
is
where
the
is
in
those
those
abundance
of
unused
single.
You
know
yeah,
so
yeah,
it's
obviously
not
going
to
help
the
family
units,
but
maybe
we
can
use
it
to
help
the
unused
single.
A
In
that
thought,
line,
I'll
add
the
three
bedroom
thing.
You
know
we
have
been
for
many
years
saying
we're
worried
about
not
producing
family
size
units
that
are
affordable,
and
if
you
look
at
the
tier
of
incentives
or
tax
breaks
or
how
rebates
you
ever
want
to
say
it
for
one
two
bedroom,
it
doesn't
change
very
much
between
two
and
three
bedrooms,
but
the
cost
to
build
those
third
bedrooms
certainly
does
exist.
So
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
I've
been
hearing
for
several
years
planning
to
be
looked
at
and
I
think.
H
Yeah
I
think
that's
the
set.
The
second
item
of
our
you
know:
policy
revision
that
we're
you
know
seeing
if
that's
we're
on
the
right
track
with
is
how
we
address
that
bedroom
mix,
because
you're
right
all
most
of
these
Luigi
applications,
they're
not
submitting
fan
they're,
not
submitting
multiple
bedroom
units,
they're
generally
submitting
Studios
and
one
bedrooms,
and
we
think
that
you
know
there
should
there
should
be
a
way
to
incentivize
more
of
a
mix.
A
But
maybe
I
see
Sasha
trash
shaking
her
head.
It
may
be
that
we're
not
seeing
those
applications
but
we're
hearing
like
as
a
councilwoman
meeting
with
people
talking
about
this
I'm
hearing
it
that
they're
not
submitting
three
bedrooms,
because
the
incentive
doesn't
always
line
up,
it's
actually
better
for
them
to
do
one
and
two
bedrooms,
so
it
may
not
feel
like
the
public
has
seen
that
issue
a
lot.
It
just
comes
up,
though,.
H
Yeah-
and
it
was
you
know,
it
was
very
in
Department
design
like
when,
when
developers
are
developing
their
apartment
mix
units,
it's
very
three
bedrooms
is
one
of
the
least
desired
in
a
lot
of
these
apartment
complexes.
Two
bedrooms
are
definitely
the
the
dominant
amount
of
units
that
you
know
the
dominant
percentage
of
units.
H
There's
there's
less,
there's
less
three
bedroom
percentage
units
in
these
projects-
and
it
might
be
you
know,
maybe
it's
good
to
look
at
some
of
the
ones
that
have
been
approved
for
luige
and
what
percentage
their
mix
was.
You
know
so
there's
ways
to
look
at
it.
We
I
think
we're
just
kind
of
asking
for
now.
You
know
if
these
are
priorities
you
see
as
well.
We
want
to
make
sure
we're
focusing
on
things
that
you
support,
so
we're
not
you
know,
spinning
our
Wheels,
the
other.
H
H
Another
item
is
you
know.
Currently,
Luigi
has
been.
Is
used,
the
wage
policy
is
written
that
it
works
for
as
little
as
few
as
two
units,
meaning
if
you
had
a
duplex,
you
could
get
a
Louise
if
you
did
one
unit
or
if
you
had
a
four
Plex.
If
you
did
one
unit,
you
can
get
it.
It
has
not
been
used
for
that,
because
the
process
and
the
Louise
definitely
favors
larger
development.
H
So
we
wanted
to
see,
if
kind
of
there's
interest
from
y'all
for
us
looking
at
ways
for
how
smaller
developments
and
to
make
it
easier.
Maybe
you
know
more
like
a
fast
track:
Luigi
application
for
smaller
projects
for
how
to
encourage
landlords
who
have
fewer.
You
know
smaller
smaller
projects
if
it's
feasible,
one
of
those
you
know,
that's
always
come
in
I
think
you
know
this
has
come.
You
know
from
conversations
with
developers
and
with
Thrive
landlords.
Is
that
they're?
H
You
know
they're
afraid
of
right
now
the
only
way
to
get
a
luige
is
commit
to
I.
Think
it's
20.
You
know
20
or
30
years
and
that's
you
know
know
if
there's
a
way
that
for
smaller
developments,
if
the
rebate,
the
tax
rebate,
rather
than
it
be
based
on
20
years,
is
only
based
on
the
years
of
participation.
H
Since
it's
it's
a
annual,
you
know,
since
it's
an
annual
rebate,
it's
something
that
we
can
just
tie
into
the
time.
That's
being
used,
I
think
there
might.
We
might
have
a
better
chance
of
getting
more
smaller
landlords
using
the
Luigi.
If
it
didn't
have
such
a
commitment,
you
know
I
would
say
you
need
to
date
before
you
get
married
and
the
other
you
know
the
other
part
is
looking
currently
this.
H
You
know
the
funding
amount
is
it's
kind
of
this
weird
it's
based
all
on
future
value
and
it's
a
preset
amount
and
it's
not
always
accurate
and
it
and
it
maybe
there
might
be
a
better
way
whether
that,
rather
than
say,
a
Louise
grant
for
20
years
is
x
amount,
it's
more
written
as
a
yearly
amount
based
on
the
property
tax
amount,
so
we're
not
having
to
over.
You
know
over
commit
or
under
commit
based
on
what
property
assessments
work
out,
because
it's
it's
a
very
it's
a
set
amount.
H
We're
about
you
know,
that's
voted
on
that
could
vary.
You
know
that
could
vary.
So
that's
you
know
kind
of
the
initial
feedback
we're
asking
from
you
or
like
what
are
the
you
know.
What
are
the
key
questions
about
the
policy
that
you
might
have
going
into
this
revision
process
and
you
know
of
the
list
that
I've
suggested
or
of
your
own.
You
know
what
particular
areas
of
focus
should
we
be
focusing
on
with
respect
to
Luigi's
policy.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
Barry
and
thanks
to
everyone
on
ahac
that
who's
been
working
on
this
I
know,
some
robust
conversations
have
been
had
I'll
tie
a
thought
to
one
of
your
recent
comments.
A
But
you
know
at
the
landlord
level
it's
the
income
coming
in
and
if
you
could
save
some
on
the
property
tax,
it
may
be
enough
to
shift
so
I'm
for
one
interested
in
all
studying
anything
that
can
help
move
affordability
forward.
I
know
some
of
these
eyes
are
these
ideas
are
not
new
and
we've
been
saying
for
years
and
I
think
that's
some
holding
us
back
like
the
Ombudsman
idea
came
when
we
have
just
had
just
auditor
I.
A
Think
that's
like
four
directors
ago,
and
he
was
you
know:
a
state
awarded
specialist
in
housing
and
affordability
and,
and
he
interviewed
I-
think
50
people
in
the
community
that
were
stakeholders
or
in
this
industry
I.
Remember
because
I
was
one
of
them
and
he
asked
you
know
what
would
really
help
you
be
able
to
do
this
better
faster.
You
know
with
more
affordability
and
Ombudsman
came
up
every
time
and
it
overlaps
with
some
of
the
stuff
we
used
to
do
in
a
hack
where
we'd
have
the
DSD
Department
back.
A
When
Ben
was
the
department
chair,
he
would
come
to
us
and
we
would
talk
about
our
codes
that
were
writing
and
policies.
We're
writing
actually
implementing
the
way
we
think
they
are,
and
they
answer
wasn't
always
clear
so
that
overlap
there
makes
sense
to
me.
I
still
think
that's
a
great
recommendation,
so
yeah
I
appreciate
all
of
these
items.
I
think,
of
course,
there's
always
a
staff
capacity.
A
And
what
can
we
do
in
a
year's
time
and
when
I
see
opening
up
like
Luigi
policy
I,
say
look
at
everything
while
you're
there
like
look
at
all
those
in
one
big
session
of
stakeholders
not
doing
one
in
January
and
one
in
September.
Just
talk
about
Hall
and
I
mean
that's.
What
I
would
encourage
us
to
do?
Councilwoman
other
comments
and
thoughts.
I
I,
don't
know
if
it
was
very
specific
to
luige
but
I
remember
a
comment
that
was
made
in
the
last
a
head
meeting,
something
along
the
lines.
There
are
times
when
the
value
of
a
voucher
could
be
more
than
Sasha.
I
see
you
shaking
your
head.
You
know
where
I'm
going
with
this,
it's
something
like
in
some
instances,
it's
more
physically
advantageous
to
take
a
voucher
than
not.
Can
you
elaborate
on
what
one
of
those
circumstances
looks
like
or
is
do.
D
You
remember
the
discussion.
Well,
I
think
you
know
if
you
have
an
affordable
apartment
and
we
say
in
your
agreement
and
Janice
can
help
back
me
up
on
this.
But
if
we
say
you
know
your
apartments,
your
affordable
rents
need
to
be
at
80
as
the
HUD
standards.
That's
your
standard,
so
somebody
may
come
with
a
voucher
and
right
now
the
voucher
rents,
the
payment
standard
is
higher,
I
mean
it's
because
our
rents
are
so
high.
D
D
H
H
I
would
I
would
I
would
say,
I
agree
with
that
about,
like
in
a
60
or
80
percent.
What
the
maximum
rent
is
by
Hud.
That's
a
lower
amount
than
what
a
voucher
is.
So
there
isn't
there's
an
there's,
a
financial
incentive
to
the
landlord
to
take
vouchers
because
it
does
pay
more
the
voucher
payment.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
the
chart
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
there
is,
you
know
the
charts
on
our
website,
and
it's
that
is
the
voucher
payment.
D
That
and
there
have
been
times
when
vouchers,
but
but
I,
think
you
know
we
have
a
60
80
and
then
there's
what's
Market
reality
right,
so
I
think
right
now,
voucher
rents
are
higher
than
80,
but
they're,
not
necessarily
at
that
market
reality
for
some
places
right,
so
you
might
have
a
voucher
and
it's
not
enough
to
get
you
into
just
a
standard
Market
unit,
but
it
might
be
higher
than
80
percent
and
and
those
those
payment
standards
change
every
time
over
time.
D
So
so
there
have
been
times,
maybe
in
the
past,
where
they're,
not
enough
I
would
think
they
would
be
enough
for
80,
but
I,
don't
know
those
numbers
offhand.
Okay,.
A
A
We
appreciate
you
doing
your
annual
report
timely,
but
also
bringing
it
to
us
in
this
way.
I,
don't
think!
We've
done
that
before
yeah.
B
Rachel
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
also
thank
ahak
thank
Barry,
Sasha
Nikki,
as
well
as
council
member
Mosley,
as
the
liaison.
If
you
all
recall,
a
hack,
is
piloting
with
hcd
on
this
work
plan
process
and
us
having
more
intentional.
What
I'll
call
connective
tissue
between
the
policy
review
work
that
The
Advisory
Board
is
providing
to
the
council
committee.
So
it's
been
really
helpful
for
staff
as
we're
informing
the
work
that
we're
doing
using
the
expertise
of
ahac
to
inform
that
work,
and
ultimately,
we've
had
some
great
results
already
with
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
policy.
B
A
H
B
A
Yeah
any
other
questions
to
comment.
Shanika
did
you
have
something:
okay,
okay,
I
think,
then
we
can
come
to
a
close
on
item
one
everyone,
good
okay,
those
of
you
listening
at
home,
we're
moving
on
to
item.
Oh
I'm.
Sorry
item
number.
Three.
We
just
finished
item
number
two.
So
item
number
three
is
a
Luigi
request:
46
Aston,
which
is
micro
units
and
the
action
will
be
a
vote
on
whether
or
not
to
move
this
forward
to
council.
So
we
have
Sasha
I
believe
presenting
today.
D
Foreign,
thank
you
chair.
Yes,
so
this
is
46
Aston
Street.
This
is
a
project
in
our
downtown
area,
next
Katie.
So
this
project
is
a
rather
it's
a
large
development.
It
was
a
level
two
or
it
is
a
level
two
project,
meaning
it
does
not
come
through
Council.
So
it's
a
buy
right
development
in
our
Central
business
district,
which
has
a
little
bit
different
thresholds
for
Council
review
and
those
thresholds
are
a
hundred
thousand
square
feet
for
that
this
kind
of
development.
So
it's
not
a
unit
count
development.
D
So
the
total
project
is
a
231
units,
so
they
are
committing
20
percent,
where
47
units
to
be
affordable
for
20
years
at
80
or
below,
they
also
have
indicated
willingness
to
provide.
You
know:
rental
assistance
or
units
for
rental
assistance,
Energy,
Efficiency,
Green,
Building,
certification
and
Universal
Design,
and
through
our
Point
structure
they
qualified
for
21
years
next.
D
So,
just
really
quickly,
housing
represents
all
of
the
rentable
square
footage,
which
is
one
of
our
eligibility
requirements.
You
have
to
be
at
least
70
percent
and
it's
Point
47
is
about
a
half
acre
on
Aston
Street.
D
D
So
this
is
the
location.
You'll
see
that
white
roof
is
an
existing
building.
That
will
remain
so
that
will
be
parceled
off
from
the
rest
of
the
development.
Next,
here's
a
rendering
of
Aston
Street
coming
from
Buncombe
Street,
so
it's
kind
of
in
the
back
streets
of
our
downtown
so
just
to
the
east
of
Cox
avenue.
Next.
D
So
this
is
the
summary
of
the
points
that
they
have
indicated
and
you
know
in
my
vetting
of
applications
I
go
through
and
make
sure
that
they
can
actually
reach
all
of
these
20
of
the
units
affordable.
Ten
percent
of
total
units
except
rental
assistance
by
being
in
the
central
business
district.
D
You
you
qualify
for
30
points,
so
that's
partly
why
it's
such
a
high
scoring
application
less
than
a
quarter
mile
from
a
half
hour,
Transit
stop
they're
in
the
CBD,
which
is
a
job
center
and
they're
less
than
a
half
mile
from
the
transit
center.
They
are
also
indicating
they
will
do
Energy
Efficiency
as
a
part
of
the
the
building,
Green
Building
certification
and
Universal
Design
for
20
of
the
units,
so
that
gets
us
to
105
unit
points.
Excuse
me
which
equals
21
years.
D
So
here's
the
kind
of
the
nitty-gritty
of
the
numbers-
currently
the
this
land-
is
valued
around
921
000
and
pays
annual
taxes
of
3
100
a
year.
Under
the
estimated
tax
value
of
24
million,
the
annual
city
property
tax
would
be
96
720
dollars.
D
So
when
we
divide
that
by
the
units,
it's
a
41,
566
dollar
unit
per
unit
subsidy,
which
is
you
know,
right
kind
of
in
the
middle
of
our
you
know-
zero
to
80,
thousands,
our
Max
and
then
after
year
21
we
would
receive
the
full
taxes
on
the
pro
property,
because
you
know
our
affordability
is
standard
is
20
years,
Janice
and
I've
been
talking,
and
we
will
need
to
add
this
to
the
policy.
D
But
you
know
we
can
basically
say
we
can't
have
an
affordability
period
That's
longer
than
the
amount
of
money
or
term
of
payments.
If
that
makes
sense,
so
the
developer
has
elected
and
has
agreed
to
match
and
of
21-year
affordability
period
to
match
the
21-year
payment
period.
D
So
we're
recommending
a
couple
things,
so
you
know
housing.
There
is
a
need
for
family
units
for
three
bedrooms,
but
we
also
know
that
one
bedrooms
are
very
hard
to
find
and
that's
the
number
you
know
when
I've
talked
to
Housing
Authority
staff
when
vouchers
are
returned,
the
highest
percentage
of
returned
vouchers
are
one
bedrooms,
so
it's
still
a
very
high
need
in
our
community.
D
So
we
are
supporting
this
application
similar
to
a
previous
discussion.
You
know
we
just
don't
have
guidelines
that
adequately
exist
address
this
type
of
project.
It
may
be.
You
know
over
time,
we'll
see
that
it
perfectly
addresses
it
and
it's
fine
the
way
it
is
but
I
think
because
this
project
is
so
different
than
our
standard
development.
It
has
created
some
concern
in
the
community,
and
so
when
we
do
these
revisions,
we
want
to
address
that
issue.
D
So
we
are
recommending
a
couple
things
we're
recommending
that
the
affordable
units
have
a
least
period
of
one
year,
which
is
also
also
a
requirement
of
vouchers.
So
if
a
voucher
holder
came
to
you
know
they
have
to
at
least
have
a
one-year
lease
to
make
it
work,
and
the
developers
agree
to
that.
We
also
have
requested
and
I'm
not
sure
that
David
Moritz
is
here
today,
I'm
not
sure
they're
on
board
with
this
yet,
but
accepting
vouchers
as
payment
for
the
affordable
units,
which
is
not
a
set.
I
That
one-year
lease
term
requirement
forbid
subletting
during
that
year.
I
It's
like
you'll
lease
but
it'll
be
to
three
different
people
who
come
through
or
traveling
nurses.
So
one
entity
gets
the
thing
for
a
period
of
time
for
what
ends
up
being
successive
folks
over
the
term
of
the
lease
you
see
where
I'm
going
with
this.
So
is
there
anything
that
would
prevent
that
from
happening
in
units
of
this
type?
I
Do
we
do
that?
Have
we
ever
this.
E
E
I
What
I'm
thinking
of
is
executive
entities
like
some
corporations,
will
have
an
executive
leasing
component
right.
So
then,
if
you
lease
to
the
business
or,
however
long
anyone
affiliated
with
that
business,
could
just
come
in,
you
see
what
I'm
saying
whether
that
person
is
using
it
for
30
days,
but
then
so
it's
like
an
Airbnb,
but
not
essentially,
is
where
I'm
going.
E
E
When
you
say
these
are
different
types
of
units,
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
more
information
or
if
the
developer
is
here
to
kind
of
explain
like
they
did
at
planning
and
zoning.
You
know
what
are
these
size
units?
How
do
they?
What
is
their
lease
up
plan?
Who
do
they
anticipate,
will
be
the
main
users
of
this,
but.
D
No,
no,
it's
not
outside
of
policy.
The
policy
just
doesn't
address
it,
and
you
know
we
spent
in
internal
and
Janice
was
also
a
part
of
this.
We
spent
some
time
really
kind
of
digging
down
into
all
the
different
codes
and
all
the
things
and
and
understanding
the
kitchen
policy
and
all
of
those
things
and
determined
yes,
this
does
they
do
qualify
as
residential
units.
It
is
a
res,
you
know
so
we're
on
Solid
Ground
there.
So
so
it's
not
really
outside
of
policy.
D
It's
just
not!
It's
not
addressed.
A
And
I
will
say
just
for
those
listening
at
home
in
case
that
got
a
little
confusing
there
when
we
have
a
unit
that
must
be
rented
affordably
the
person
renting,
it
must
qualify.
It's
not
just
like
we,
we
say
we're
renting
it
for
their
developers
going
to
rent
it
for
800
and
anyone
can
rent
it
800.
You
actually
have
to
qualify
for
that,
need
just
to
be
clear
for
those
of
you
listening
at
home
that
might
have
gotten
lost
in
that
I.
Think
it's
a
great
conversation
and
it's
a
great
Point
I
know
inherently.
A
You
know
we
got
asked
a
lot
early
on
whether
or
not
these
micro
units
could
be
inherently
hotels.
So
I'll
clarify
a
couple
things
we
went
over
in
design
review,
which
was
they
are
not
approved
as
zoning
that
allows
that
so
for
something
like
this
to
somehow
convert
to
a
hotel,
it
would
trigger
all
of
those
Hotel
requirements
like
parking
and
things
that
physically
can't
happen
on
this
site.
A
So
it
would
be
a
whole
new
review
so
that
it
doesn't
default
into
that
by
its
own
nature,
and
it
also
you
know
when
the
legal
things
we
do
allow
is
the
Homestay,
but
the
resident
has
to
be
on
site,
so
we're
talking
about
a
unit
that
wouldn't
allow
for
that
anyway.
So
that
negates
that
just
for
clarity,
other
questions,
I
know
we
spoke
to
the
developer
being
here.
If
there
was
something
specific
we
wanted
to
ask
of
them,.
G
Okay
yeah,
thank
you
very
much
for
for
allowing
me
to
speak
so
I
wanted
to
first
talk
about
the
project
in
general
and
then
address
the
Luigi
specifically.
G
First
of
all,
what
excites
me
about
this
project
is
I
believe
it
meets
many
of
the
city's
goals,
affordability,
goals,
sustainability
goals
and
Equity
goals.
I
think
that's
the
most
important
thing
about
the
development.
This
is
going
to
be
the
most
affordable
choice
for
someone
who
wants
to
live
downtown.
G
These
are
Studio
suites,
they
have
kitchen,
they
have
their
own
bathroom
and,
in
addition,
as
an
additional
amenity,
each
floor
has
shared
living
space
and
shared
kitchen.
It's
going
to
be
a
nice
place
to
live
my
business
partner,
built
two
of
them
recently
in
Nashville
and
they're
full
and
people
enjoyed
living
there.
So,
but
one
of
the
main
draws
is
it's
going
to
be
the
most
affordable
housing
choice
for
people
who
want
to
live
downtown.
G
Secondly,
it's
incredibly
sustainable
form
of
development
to
compare
this,
for
example,
to
a
project
that
was
just
approved
by
the
county.
The
county
just
approved
a
project
of
500
units
on
100
acres
of
land
on
Charlotte
on
Charlotte
Highway,
that's
going
to
require
grading
a
whole
side
of
a
mountain,
the
removal
of
thousands
of
trees
and
every
single
person
that
lives
in
that
apartment
is
gonna,
have
to
get
in
their
car
for
every
trip
that
they
make
to
work,
to
get
groceries
and
so
forth.
This
project
is
the
equivalent
of
500
units
on
one
acre.
G
That
means
it's
a
hundred
times
more
dense
than
the
project
that
was
just
approved
in
the
county.
No
grading
is
going
to
need
to
occur
on
on
land.
It's
already,
it's
just
the
parking
lot,
so
there's
no
additional
impervious
surface
at
all
and
in
terms
of,
for
example,
water,
which
is
a
recent
issue.
G
The
project
in
the
county
is
going
to
require
landscaping
and
a
lot
of
water
for
the
Landscaping
this
project
is
downtown
is
all
the
only
water
is
going
to
be
used
is
for
the
residents
and
finally,
most
importantly,
is
this
project
is
walkable.
It's
near
the
transit
line.
In
fact,
it's
directly
across
the
street
from
the
bus
terminal,
every
activity
that
a
resident
wants
to
do
that
lives
here
can
be
done
on
foot,
it
doesn't
mean
they
will,
but
they
can
walk
to
work.
They
can
walk
to
the
grocery
store.
G
They
can
walk
up
a
coffee
shop.
Everything
can
be
done
walkable
when
we
do
these
projects
out
in
the
county.
It
creates
congestion.
This
project
to
me
is
the
most
sustainable
way
of
development
moving
forward
to
do
downtown
projects
and
then,
in
terms
of
the
equity.
We
are
speak
to
you
here
today
to
have
an
affordability
component
locked
into
the
80
MMI.
That
will
accept
vouchers
and,
as
as
Sasha
did
in
her
presentation,
currently,
there
are
a
hundred
vouchers
that
are
unused
this
project.
The
Sasha's
is
requesting
that
we
accept
100
vouchers
on
27.
G
would
would
accept
47
vouchers,
that's
half
of
the
vouchers
that
are
currently
unused
just
in
our
project,
so
I
just
think
to
me.
This
is
the
best
project.
I
can
think
of
to
meet
City
goals
that
have
been
announced
by
the
city.
Now,
obviously,
it's
a
new
product,
but
given
the
growth
rate
in
the
city
and
the
amount
of
people,
we
need
to
house
to
me
it's
the
best
type
of
project.
G
Now
I'd
like
to
talk
about
the
Luigi
numbers
in
particular,
Sasha
has
in
our
presentation,
based
on
our
estimate
of
cost
each
unit
will,
over
the
21-year
period,
have
the
grant
of
about
41
000
in
tax
abatement
that
translates
to
about
165
dollars
a
month
in
rent
per
unit,
that
the
city
would
be
subsidizing.
G
For
example,
if
we
there
was
a
question
there
about
the
size
of
the
units,
if
we
made
the
units
double
the
size,
it
would
double
the
cost
of
the
unit
and
thus
double
the
size
of
the
grant
by
the
city.
So
it's
completely
scaled
already.
In
fact,
our
grant
is
the
most
efficient
for
the
city,
because
all
of
our
units
are
one
bedroom
and
you're
you're,
providing
the
a
tax
abatement
on
the
entire
property
for
us
granting
20.
G
If
you
take
a
traditional
Apartment
project
that
has
one
two
and
three
bedrooms:
the
tax
of
Base
abatement
that
you're
giving
is
based
on
one
two
and
three
bedroom
costs,
so
you're,
actually
giving
a
tax
abatement
on
a
three
bedroom,
but
you're
only
getting
the
one
bedroom
for
the
affordability
and
that's
why
most
most
projects,
if
they're
too
expensive,
are
not
going
to
ask
for
a
Luigi
Grant
or
if
they're,
marginal
they're
going
to
come
and
they're
going
to
get
the
maximum
amount,
which
is
80
000
per
unit.
So
actually
I.
G
Think
in
in
Reverse
of
what
some
of
the
comments
were.
Our
project
is
the
most
efficient
use
of
grant
money
by
the
city.
It
only
costs
a
city
165
dollars
per
month
per
unit,
and
so,
if
you
add
that
up
over
21
years,
as
Sasha
said,
it's
41
000
for
21
years
currently
I
think
on
the
homelessness
project.
It
cost
the
city
over
that
per
year
for
having
someone
in
a
shelter
or
in
the
homeless
system.
G
That
means
having
people
in
our
Apartments
using
a
voucher
is
20
times
more
cost
effective
to
the
city
than
having
those
people
in
the
shelter.
So
I
just
wanted
to
address
that.
One
comment
that
was
made
before
about
the
cost,
because
I
think
it's
really
important
to
understand
and
it's
something
I've
just
been
thinking
about-
is
that
the
the
the
amount
of
the
the
grant
that
the
city
gives
is
proportionate
to
the
cost
of
the
unit.
So
because
the
units
are
smaller,
the
grant
is
smaller
and
I.
G
Think
there's
a
huge
need
for
these
one-bedroom
apartments
and
then
from
an
equity
standpoint.
You
know
all
the
utilities
are
included,
so
it's
very
hassle-free
living
all
the
furniture
is
included.
So
it's
it's
meant
for
everyone,
because
it's
walkable
people
who
don't
have
a
car.
This
will
work
for
them.
In
fact,
I
have
a
friend
who
works
at
the
VA
and
he
has
a
need
for
voucher
units
as
well,
and
he
was
asking
me
about
our
ability
to
accept
vouchers
and
he
said
for
veterans
in
particular
many
of
whom
need
housing.
G
Many
of
them
don't
have
cars,
so
it's
almost
impossible
for
them
to
live
in
a
unit
not
accessible
to
public
transportation,
and
he
was
very
excited
about
being
able
to
use
vouchers
for
veterans
here,
because
many
of
them
don't
have
cars
because
they're
they're
troubled-
and
they
have
issues
from
you-
know
defending
the
country
and
so
I
just
feel
like
as
a
project
I'm
very
passionate
about
it,
because
I
think
it
addresses
the
need
for
housing.
I
think
it
addresses
the
need
for
affordable
housing.
G
We
want
to
partner
with
the
city
to
allocate
units
for
21
years
to
have
a
ceiling
on
the
rent
we
can
charge
and
to
be
able
to
accept
vouchers
and
so
I
hope
you
will
consider
it
and
I'm
I.
Thank
you
for
the
time
that
you've
allowed
me
to
speak
and
I'm
open
to
answering
any
questions
you
have
about
the
project.
I
G
Where
we
will
still
build
this
yeah
we're
committed
to
it,
so
the
impact
on
not
having
the
Luigi
is
that
we
will
just
charge
Market
rent
on
all
of
the
units
whatever
that
is,
and
we
have
we
have
not
so
this
I
I
was
I,
was
participating
in
the
County's
plan.
They
say:
there's
90
000
people
that
are
going
to
move
to
the
county
in
the
next
20
years.
G
G
We
want
to
work
with
the
city
because
part
of
the
reason
why
we're
building
this
is,
we
want
to
provide
affordable
housing,
I'm,
not
building
a
condo
I'm,
not
building
a
luxury
apartment,
I'm
building,
something
that
I
think
there's
a
need
for
that
we're
missing
in
the
city,
and
we
want
to
work
for
the
city
to
because
there's
there's
event
the
benefit
to
us
is.
G
It
lowers
our
risk
because
our
expenses
will
go
down,
but
it's
also
going
to
probably
reduce
you
know
the
the
revenue
we
get
from
the
apartment,
because
the
the
Grant
from
the
city
is
165
dollars
per
month
per
unit.
E
G
Market
rent
over
the
next
21
years,
unless
we
make
a
huge
effort
in
building
tons
of
Apartments,
which
it's
going
to
be
difficult
because
the
costs
have
gone
up
so
much
I
mean
our
cost
for
this
from
when
we
started
a
few
years
ago.
The
estimates
are
about
double
from
when
we
were
looking
at
this
three
years
ago.
G
It's
astounding
how
much
the
cost
has
gone
up
so
I
think
we're
going
to
have
trouble,
building
a
lot
of
housing
and
so
most
likely
the
market
rents
will
be
higher
than
the
difference
that
the
city
is
giving
us,
but
it
does
give
us
some
benefit,
which
is
lowering
our
expenses
in
operating
the
building
and
and
of
course,
we
want
to
help
the
city
and
accept
vouchers
for
the
project,
so
that's
part
of
it
and
but
yeah.
If
we
don't
get
the
Luigi,
it's
like
it's,
it's
we'll
build
them.
I
Well,
the
answer
to
this,
but
offhand
what
is
the
maximum
HUD
allowable
right
from
HUD
for
80
percent,
one
bedroom
in
Asheville.
A
Me
go
through
well,
we
have.
This
is
interesting
because
Nikki
and
I
were
just
texting
about
this.
The
website
for
the
city
still
has
22
20
000
2022s
figures,
which
show
that
is
9.54
if
the
tenant
is
paying
utilities
and
I
believe
there
are
newer
figures
for
2023
that
are
not
live
on
our
website.
Unfortunately,.
A
A
But
to
that
point
you
know,
there's
a
couple
things
to
be
said
here,
because
what
I
have
heard
from
councilwoman
Mosley's
great
question
was:
if
we
don't
Grant
you
this
Luigi,
are
you
still
going
to
build
it
and
because
where
this
is
a
new
model,
which
I
do
think
it's
great
to
add,
more
housing
models?
A
Will
that
model
itself
naturally
only
be
worth
a
thousand
or
eleven
hundred
dollars
a
month
such
that
Luigi,
you
know,
isn't
necessarily
necessary.
I
think
that's
what
I've
heard
from
your
question.
You
know
with
the
owner.
I
Or
developer
here,
and
just
what
I'm
thinking
of
in
to
you
take
it
even
further:
it's
almost
we'd
rather
have
the
tax
dollars
so
that
perhaps
we
could
put
more
in
the
Housing
Trust
Fund.
You
know
what
I
mean,
but
that's
exactly
what
I'm
thinking
and
I
haven't
decided
yet.
A
You've
heard
from
the
developer's
response
was
and
I
guess
he
can
correct
me
if
I'm
incorrect
fit
because
we're
facing
such
high
movership
rates
people
relocating
and
not
producing
as
much
and
because
costs
are
inflating
and
land
is
disappearing.
It's
all
adding
up
to
we're
going
to
have
a
bigger
crisis.
If
we
don't
do
more
now
like,
if
we
can't
build
at
the
rate
that
sustains
the
population
growth,
then
rates
are
going
to
continue
to
accelerate
because
demand
will
be
higher.
A
That's
kind
of
the
premise:
the
theory
there
so
I
infer
that
by
locking
this
in
we're,
certainly
going
to
get
the
voucher
acceptance
and
we're
certainly
going
to
get
the
affordable
rates
and
in
10
years
it
might
be
that
the
market
rate
for
one
of
these
units
is
1600
or
1800.
We
don't
really
have
any
way
to
know
we're
expense
experiencing
a
boom
in
relocation
and
a
crisis
of
costs,
so
it
could
go
that
way,
and
that
is
interesting.
I
would
assume.
A
G
No
I
think
the
question
is:
is
a
good
one
about
the
market
rent
that
we're
gonna
receive
relative
to
what
the
80
Ami
charges
I've
been?
You
know
it's
hard
for
me
to
say
exactly
what
the
rent
is
going
to
be.
I
will
say
that
the
less
we
build
the
more
rents
are
going
to
go
up
and
we
will
charge
what
the
market
rent
is.
I
will
say
in
Nashville
Tennessee
the
project
that
they
started.
G
They
were
originally
charging
in
the
900s
they're
more
around
1200
and
they're,
going
to
be
going
to
1400.,
but
I
don't
want
to
comment
in
terms
of
what
we're
going
to
charge
in
rent.
We're
definitely
going
to
be
a
lot
more
affordable
than
any
other
option,
but
the
studio
apartment
I
think
at
the
patent.
When
you
add
utilities
and
everything
is
like
eighteen
hundred
dollars.
So
our
our
unit
I
know
there
was
a
number
quoted
where
the
tenant
pays.
G
The
utilities,
our
units
include
all
the
utilities,
including
Wi-Fi
I,
would
say
again
the
grant
that
we're
we're
getting
is
165
dollars,
based
on
the
current
estimate
of
cost
per
month
per
unit.
G
G
It's
the
market
rent
is
higher
than
that,
then
we're
actually
losing
from
doing
the
Luigi
I
think
what
we're
doing
here
is
sharing
the
risk,
because
we
don't
know
what
the
rent
is.
My
guess,
based
on
the
way
we're
currently
building
in
the
city
and
the
fact
that
90
000,
that
this
County
estimates,
90
000
people
coming
here
and
the
way
inflation
is
going,
that
market
rents
are
going
to
force
the
past
the
165
or
what
now,
of
course,
the
tax
value
might
increase
over
time.
G
We're
only
estimating
but
I
think
it
is
a
good
question.
I
appreciate
the
question.
I
think
it's
fair
question
about
what
the
market
rent
is
relative
to
the
80
Ami,
so
yeah,
hopefully,
I
answered
the
question
the
best
I
could
does
that.
Does
that.
A
A
G
I
had
one
more
thing:
I
think
that
in
Sasha's
presentation
she
recommends
that
we
accept
vouchers
for
all
of
the
affordable
units
which
would
be
47,
and
it's
something
that
we've
discussed
internally
and
I.
Think
that
that's
something
we're
willing
to
do
because
I,
it
sounds
like
based
on
the
current
conversations
in
the
city
regarding
homelessness
and
shelters
and
the
need
for,
and
also
the
recent
news
of,
a
large
developer.
G
Not
accepting
vouchers
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
that
we
will
accept
the
city's
recommendation
of
accepting
vouchers
on
all
of
the
affordable
units,
so
that
would
be
47
additional
units
in
the
city
that
would
accept
vouchers.
So
I
think
that
would
be
another
benefit
for
the
city
to
join.
The
Luigi
I
understand,
there's
a
hundred
vouchers
currently
being
unused
for
single
occupancy
and
so
I
think
these
units
would
work
well
for
them.
A
You
know,
I'm
inclined
to
support
based
on
what
we
know
today,
because
I
mean
even
with
the
homelessness
study
being
back
in
the
work
session.
Recently,
it's
just
becoming
more
and
more
clear
that
we
are
experiencing
a
crisis
and
the
crisis
is
diverse,
like
what
are
the
top
recommendations
from
I
think
it
was
lots.
Our
study
that
was
done
for
Buncombe
County
recently
published
maybe
last
month,
was
that
we
don't
have
enough
units
and
behind
that
we
don't
have
enough
diverse
types
of
units,
so
this
is
a
little
unknown
territory.
A
A
And
we've
learned
that
it's
not
you
know
I,
think
of
the
location
as
key,
because
downtown
I'm,
also
the
liaison
for
downtown
commission
and
I've
been
involved
in
downtown
for
10
years,
and
the
key
recommendation
out
of
that
group
has
always
been
that
we
need
more
residential
downtown
to
ensure
that
downtown
can
remain
viable
in
not
just
this
visiting
Hub
that
actually
needs
residents
all
year
round.
So
I'm
also
layering
in
that
and
I
mean
we
have.
A
We
don't
have
a
policy
that
speaks
against
this
or
to
this
so
we're
kind
of
beholding
to
what
we
have
and
I
think
it's
important
that
ahac
and
hcd,
and
eventually
Council
all,
really
weigh
how
these
micro
units
may
be
better
implemented
with
policies
that
speak
directly
to
their
sizes
or
shared
amenities,
Etc,
but
I
think
that
the
additional
voucher
units
and
committing
to
that
and
the
location
itself-
and
we
know
that
the
average
person
in
Asheville
that
commutes
spends
25
percent
of
their
incomes
on
Transportation.
A
That's
a
publicized
figure
on
the
agency
index,
and
so,
if
you're
done,
where
you
don't
have
to
have
a
vehicle
you're,
already
inherently
more
you're
saving
more
money.
So
the
location
is
key
here,
so
I'm
inclined
to
support
and
move
it
forward
to
council
and
we'll
have
I
guess
additional
Windows
to
kind
of
extrapolate.
You
know
maybe
other
conditions
or
what
it
looks
like
or
what
it
might
play
out
as.
F
I'm
inclined
to
support
as
well,
but
one
one
thing:
that's
kind
of
bothering
me
right
now
concerning
the
policy
in
general
is
that
we
don't
have
specific
guidelines
for
micro,
housing
and
I.
Don't
want
to
decline.
This
request
lunch
a
day
but
I'm
wondering
if
we
can
take
the
appropriate
time
for
this
to
kick
back
to
ahac
and
us
to
kind
of
have
a
detailed
discussion
about
the
questions
that
are
here
and
the
questions
that
are
there
and
then
have
David.
Come
back
for
a
final
discussion
towards
approval.
A
Supportive
of
that
I
mean
ahec.
Just
spoke
literally
to
this
30
minutes
ago.
I'd
be
interested
to
know
their
feedback.
I,
don't
know,
I
mean
staff.
Maybe
that's
more
of
a
question
for
you
as
well.
I
mean
is
that
even
a
reasonable,
reasonable
approach,
because
it's
not
like
a
hack,
can
just
open
up
the
item
and
close
it
in
a
month.
Staff
has
to
do
research
and
prepare
documents.
There
has
to
be
documents
ahead
of
meetings
and
so
on.
Any
thoughts
on
for
staff.
On
that
so
I'll
show
you
specifically.
D
So
we
we
are
little
undercapacity
right
now.
I'll
just
say
that,
and
we
were
kind
of
this
Luigi
policy
review
was
going
to
be
stretched
out
and
maybe
even
combined
with
our
affordable
housing
plan,
update
or
kind
of
also
getting
some
policy
guidance
from
an
expert
I
think
we
could
do
it.
I,
don't
I.
Just
don't
know
how
much
staff
time
there
is
to
to
do
more
digging
and
bring
more
stuff
back,
I,
guess,
councilman,
Mosley
and
I
guess.
Maybe
the
developer
might
also
have
a
thought
on
that.
I
I
love
the
47,
affordable
units.
I
want
to
be
able
to
vote
Yes
for
that,
but
if
you're
going
to
do
it
anyway,
then
I
would
love
the
tax
dollars.
I
So
it
would
be
my
request,
as
a
councilwoman
Smith
said
that
they
had
take
a
a
look
at
this
I
appreciate
staff
capacity
issues,
but
what
I
don't
want
to
do
is
to
vote
no.
Today,
I
would
love
for
it
to
be
a
level
of
unanimous
unanimity
when
it
goes
to
the
full
Council.
That
would
just
be
my
preference.
Thank.
I
It
and
also
I
will
go
ahead
and
say
David,
so
you
don't
think
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you
do.
I
appreciate
the
fact
that,
because
you're
local
right
and
you
have
those
sites
that
are
on
the
south
slope,
I
just
still
have
questions
and
I
want
to
be
secure
enough
in
my
vote
today
and
I
would
appreciate,
like
I,
said,
before
the
expertise
from
ad.
G
I
wanted
to
say
and
to
have
the
opportunity
to
discuss
it
since
it's
something
new,
so
this
project
is
going
to
be
our
second
one.
We're
going
to
do
the
one
on
Hilliard
first,
which
has
full
approval.
G
We're
still
one
thing
I
one
thing
I
do
want
to
mention,
because
I
kind
of
answered
the
question
yes
or
no
before
is
that
one
of
the
you
know
we
we're
about
a
year
delay
on
the
one
on
Hilliard
and
that
that's
because
the
cost
to
build
compared
to
what
we
had
initially
bought
is
almost
double,
and
we
don't
so,
but
so
we
had
to
actually
go
back
to
the
bank
and
negotiate
a
new
loan
to
be
able
to
do
it,
because
the
law
and
their
initial
loan
was
too
small.
G
And
thankfully
our
bank
is
supportive
of
this
project.
So
they've
agreed
to
increase
the
loan
size
that
will
allow
us
to
build
it.
So
we're
currently
renegotiating
with
contractors
and
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
start
that
in
May.
G
So
it
was
Mosley
to
answer
your
question
before
Our
intention
is
to
build
it,
but
there's
still
a
lot
of
has
to
happen
and
we,
the
costs,
are
going
to
have
to
make
sense.
So
it
is
possible
that
if
the
costs
come
back
and
it's
it's-
it's
not
feasible,
then
there
is
a
possibility.
We
wouldn't
build
it
with
the
Luigi
Grant
itself.
G
It's
hard
to
say
today,
I
mean
my
intention
is
we
we
want
to
build
it.
So
that's
why
I
say
that,
but
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
factors
that
go
into
it,
including
the
cost
that
are
going
to
continue
to
increase,
but
in
terms
of
the
city
becoming
comfortable
with
this
type
of
unit.
You
know,
I
I,
think
it's
it's
great
I
I'm
very
excited
to
build
it.
G
If
you
need
more
time,
it's
not
going
to
currently
impact
our
schedule
on
the
Aston
Street
project
itself,
and
that's
because
you
know
given
we're
currently
on
pause
on
that
one
in
terms
like
to
go
through
full
approval
with
the
city
and
get
permits.
We
need
Full,
Construction
drawings
and
that
can
cost
a
lot
so
we've
had
we
put
a
pause
on
that
until
we
have
all
our
approvals
and
then
we
we
move
forward
on
that,
so
not
to
make
it
too
long
of
a
statement.
G
The
short
answer
is
yes,
you
know
I
want
to
work
in
partnership
with
the
city
and
make
sure
that
everyone's
comfortable
and
but
I
do
just
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
add
any
more
work
to
City
staff,
because
I
know
they're
doing
a
lot
in
Sasha's
been
working
very
hard
on
this,
so
I
can't
speak
for
for
City
staff
themselves.
A
I
appreciate
that,
because
it
sounds
like
we're
inching
towards
that,
and
it
does
look
like
we
perhaps
have
the
ahac
chair,
I
didn't
know
if
you
wanted
to
comment
on
that
and
I
know
as
to
whether
or
not
they've
even
be
able
to
get
it
on
agenda
and
review,
or
maybe
one
of
those
subcommittees
could
maybe
he's
not
with
us.
Oh,
he
is
with
us
no.
H
Because
I
have
been
listening,
sorry
Sage:
what
did
you
want
to.
A
Ask
me:
well
we're
just
we're
debating
whether
or
not
to
send
it
back
to
Ahab
for
y'all's
expertise,
because
we
have
councilwoman
that
want
to
support
it,
but
have
some
lingering
questions,
and
we
know
that
ahac
had
just
said
literally
30
minutes
before
this.
That
they'd,
like
to
review
and
weigh
in
on
how
micro
units
May
relate
to
Luigi
asks
so
would
ahac
feel
that
they
could
I
know
you
can't
see
for
the
whole
committee.
A
H
Think
so
yeah
I
think
we
could.
Since
you
know
you
know,
obviously
this
means
you
know
from
our
first
agenda
item
we
have
like
these
are
the
things
we're
asking
for.
So
if
you
say
yes,
this
is
it.
This
is
priority,
because
it's
there's
a
need
for
it
right
now.
Yeah
we
could.
We
can
bring
that
we
can
focus
on
that
at
our
next
meeting.
H
A
B
I
just
want
to
whatever
is
decided
is
perfectly
fine.
I
just
want
to
draw
to
the
committee's
attention
some
of
the
media
agenda
items
that
we
have
coming
up,
so
the
March
21st
hcd
meeting
is
going
to
be
solely
dedicated
to
the
cdbg
applicant
presentation.
So
we
won't
have
time
for
any
other
action
at
that
meeting
and
then
March
28th
is
when
you're
going
to
be
making
your
home
funding
recommendations,
as
well
as
your
cdbg
funding
recommendations,
so
likely
to
be
some
robust
dialogue
as
part
of
that
I.
B
Think
Sasha
was
also
planning
on
providing
a
Housing
Trust
Fund
application
Overview
at
that
meeting,
because
she's
in
the
process
of
vetting
those
initial
Housing
Trust
Fund
applications
that
have
come
through
I
hate
to
say
we
need
to
push
this
to
April,
because
the
date
is
April
18th.
So
we're
talking
about
two
months
from
now.
If
we
postpone
it
two
months
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
some
context
to
the
committee
members
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
pretty
substantive
items
coming
down
the
Pipeline
with
the
segment.
A
So
it
sounds
like
we
have
some
action
there
right,
so
we're
going
to
delay
this
one
we're
going
to
send
it
back
to
ahac
for
their
expertise.
This
is
a
great
use
of
the
pilot.
Thank
you
ahac
for
being
willing
to
discuss
something
so
quickly
and
it'll
come
back
to
us
at
hcd
in
April,
because
we
have
a
very
packed
March
and
then
potentially
move
to
Council
in
May
all
right,
we're
all
on
the
same
page.
A
Thank
you,
councilwoman
staff
and
developer
for
partaking
in
that
very
long
conversation,
but
we
have
a
plan
all
right
and
I'm
keeping
track
of
the
time.
It
is
now
1
10
and
we
are
just
moving
on
to
item
number
four.
We
still
have
another
item
number
five
after
this
and
a
public
comment
period.
So
we
are
at
item
number
four,
which
is
a
Luigi
another
Luigi
request
for
new
Leicester
Highway,
and
it
looks
like
Sasha
you're
going
to
lead
through
this
one
again.
A
D
Is
for
157
new
Leicester,
Highway
and
I?
Can
there
we
go
okay,
thanks
Katie?
Next,
you
can
go
ahead,
so
this
is
a
conditional
zoning
application
that
is
coming
to
City
Council
on
February
14th.
D
It
is
committing
29
units
20
to
be
affordable
for
30
years
30
years,
not
20,
so
they're
extending
that
commitment
an
extra
10
years
and
they
also
have
other
benefits,
including
rental
assistance,
housing,
housing,
one
person
from
the
homeless
by
name
list,
Energy,
Efficiency
and
Green,
Building,
certification
and
Universal
Design,
and
it
qualifies
for
16
years
of
taxes
paid
next.
D
So
the
total
project
141
Apartments
their
mix,
is
split
in
half
between
one
and
two
bedrooms
for
affordable
units.
100
of
all
the
rentable
square.
Footage
is
housing
and
again
30
years,
and
this
project
is
on
almost
five
acres
of
land
on
new
Leicester
Highway
and
they
are
estimating
a
taxable
value
of
26.5
million.
Next.
D
And
here
are
exterior
elevations,
so
they've
I
think
they've
already
been
through
planning
and
zoning
and
received
approval
there
and
moving
forward
to
you
all
as
I
said
next
week,
so
we're
bringing
these
together
next
and
just
quickly.
The
point
summary:
the
initial
20
points
that
Baseline
20
of
units
affordable,
which
you
have
to
do
to
get
into
the
program.
D
D
They
are
one
mile
from
a
urban
urban
center,
and
so
that's
also
on
our
future
land
use
map
and
we
have
an
urban
center
on
Patton
Avenue
and
a
half
mile
from
a
Transit
amenity,
they're,
pretty
close
to
a
grocery
store.
Well,
what
we'd
consider
a
full-service
grocery
store?
D
They
are
on
a
Transit
line,
but
it's
not
a
half.
It's
not
a
very
frequent
Transit
line,
so
Energy
Efficiency
for
Five
Points
enter
Green,
Building
certification
for
another
10
points
and
Universal
Design
for
20
of
the
units
which
gets
them
another
10
points,
so
total
80
points
or
16
years
of
taxes
granted
back
next.
D
I
will
say,
and
I
should
have
probably
said
this
in
the
last
presentation.
These
are
estimates
you
know
if
the
county
assessed
and
so
they're
really
caps
on
our
agreement.
So
after
the
approval,
a
council,
Janice
and
I
worked
together
with
the
developer
and
we
have
a
luige
agreement
that
is
signed.
A
deed
restriction
is
placed
on
the
property
and
those
are
caps.
D
If
the
county
came
and
assessed
the
value
at
higher
than
26.5
and
the
city
taxes
were
higher,
we
don't
have
the
ability,
without
Council
approval,
to
raise
that
agreement
amount.
We
would
have
to
come
back.
The
developer
would,
you
know,
could
request
to
come
back
to
council.
D
If
it
is
less
than
that
amount,
then
the
city
still
pays
our
tax
amount.
So
it's
less.
These
are
estimates
that
we're
working
with
so
just
I
know
you.
You
all
probably
know
that,
but
just
want
to
clarify
that
for
anyone
who's
listening
next,
so
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this
application.
D
It
will
be
reviewed-
and
this
was
also
similar
in
the
last
application-
will
be
reviewed
by
the
finance
committee
after
your
review.
So
we
will
put
off
the
last
one,
but
this
will.
This
is
on
the
agenda
for
finance
committee
next
week
or
policy
finance
and
human
resources
that
has
a
new
name,
I'm,
sorry
and
then
it'll
be
at
city
council
later
that
night,
so
I
think
and
with
the
conditionals
zoning
hearing
next
I
think
we're
back
to.
D
We
may
not
have
the
key
takeaway
slide
we're
supposed
to,
but
that's
our
recommendation
and
that
concludes
my
presentation
happy
to
answer
any
question.
Questions
and
Clark
Mills
with
Cohen
esri
development
is
here
and
so
is
Derek
Allen
with
the
project.
A
A
This
one's
a
little
more
straightforward
and
what
we're
used
to
seeing
so
I
sense.
There
are
fewer
questions
and
concerns.
I
can't
appreciate
that
this
is
some
good
infill
in
that
area.
A
That
map
I
actually
looked
it
up,
but
it
looked
like
it
was
adjacent
to
gosh
I'm
blanking
on
the
name
of
that
apartment,
complex
right
now,
but
part
of
the
complex
that
has
some
large
amount
of
rentals
and
has
been
a
sustainable.
It
has
some
affordable
units
in
it.
Actually,
so
the
location
is
great,
can
you
go
back
a
couple
slides
there
we
go
yeah,
we
flew
through
it.
I
just
wanted
to
look
at
that
again:
okay,
so
16
years,
okay-
and
you
know
this
would
be
a
great
question.
A
A
D
A
A
D
A
Makes
a
lot
more
sense:
okay,
so
I
just
misunderstood
okay,
so
we
could
in
a
sense,
always
expect
20
years,
even
if
their
points
only
add
up
to
16,
in
this
case
correct,
correct.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
Any
questions
from
other
Council
women
for
staff
or
the
developerative
peers
developer.
Clark
is
here.
F
A
Thank
you
for
being
here
Clark,
sorry
to
make
you
nervous
for
so
long,
but
we
appreciate
the
time
it's
great
all
right.
We
are
done
with
item
number
four
and
quickly
moving
on
to
item
number
five,
which
is
cdbg
and
it
helped
make
covid,
shelter,
requests
and
I.
Believe
we
have
our.
J
Thank
you
very
much
so
for
this
afternoon,
I
wanted
to
walk
through
a
reallocation
option
for
our
cdbg
CD,
our
CV
program
in
connection
with
helpmates
non-congregate
shelter,
so
Katie.
If
you
can
click
to
the
next
slide.
As
a
reminder,
the
cdbg
CV
program
that
is,
funding
that
was
allocated
back
in
2020
under
the
cares
act
with
the
explicit
purpose
of
preventing
preparing
for
and
responding
to
the
covid-19
pandemic
in
November
of
2020
Council
approved
the
the
receipt.
J
You
know
the
city
received
one
a
little
over
1.5
million
dollars
in
cdbg
CV
funds
and
directed
those
to
programs,
specifically
homelessness
prevention,
non-congregate,
emergency
shelter
and
Community
coordination
activities.
So
the
idea
was
to
help
people
experiencing
homelessness
in
the
community,
whether
the
impacts
of
covid
and
those
funds
were
included
as
part
of
the
fiscal
year
2019-2020
annual
action
plan.
So
any
decisions
that
are
made
regarding
these
funds
will
have
to
go
to
HUD
as
an
update
to
that
plan.
J
Part
of
the
spending
requirements
for
the
cdbg
CV
funds
are
that
80
percent
of
that
money
must
be
used
and
drawn
from
the
city's
treasury
account
by
September
2023.
At
this
time.
Our
account
shows
we're
at
about
50
percent,
spend
down
on
that
so
trying
to
work
on
completing
the
projects
that
we
have
and
make
sure
that
we've
got
a
plan
to
spend
the
remaining
amount.
J
J
So,
in
that
same
time,
frame
helpmate
took
precautions
on
the
the
way
that
their
domestic
violence,
emergency
shelter
was
operating
and
relocated
to
a
hotel
in
the
area
and
started
operating
as
a
non-congregate
shelter
and
had
originally
planned
to
receive
funding
approved
by
FEMA,
the
Federal
Emergency
Management
agency
and
initially
North
Carolina.
J
Emergency
management
was
going
to
be
the
pass-through
for
those
funds,
so
helpmate
would
get
reimbursed
from
the
state,
and
then
the
state
would
pass
that
reimbursement
request
on
to
Fina,
and
so
that
was
working
fine
until
about
November
2021,
when
the
state
Emergency
Management
stepped
out
of
that
pass-through
relationship
across
the
board,
and
so
helpmate
was
left
to
make
a
direct
request
to
FEMA,
but
based
on
the
way
that
the
requirements
for
the
FEMA
reimbursement
were
set
up.
J
They
would
have
needed
to
have
a
direct
contract
for
the
unit
of
local
government,
authorizing
them
to
open
and
operate
a
non-congregate
shelter
to
be
reimbursed
with.
You
know
FEMA
funds
so
because
they
were
working
with
the
state
that
wasn't
established
back
in
2020,
and
so
next
we
can
look
at
help
me
reached
out
to
FEMA
asked
for
that
reimbursement,
but
then
reached
out
to
the
city
to
see
if
there
was
any
way
that
the
city
could
assist
and
wreck
really
retroactively.
J
Authorize
those
activities
looking
at
the
timetable
to
make
that
appeal
and
also
the
city's
experience
with
trying
to
go
through
the
appeal
process
and
satisfy
FEMA
about
the
appropriate
authorizations.
Steph,
we
looked
at
an
alternative,
and
that
was
the
cdbgcv
program
under
cdbgcv.
J
The
emergency
shelter
non-congregate
model
is
an
eligible
Public,
Service
activity
of
which
there
is
not
a
specific
cap,
and
so
staff
have
talked
to
help
me
about
requesting
a
reimbursement
of
a
hundred
and
two
thousand
dollars
and
change
to
cover
the
costs
of
that
non-congregate
shelter,
operation
between
November,
2021
and
April
of
2022.
J
So
the
staff's
recommendation
is
that,
because
the
city
has
allocated
funds
for
similar
purposes,
using
cdbg
CV
money
to
address
the
unsheltered
and
people
experiencing
homelessness,
the
fact
that
there
is
a
balance
that
remains
after
the
work
completed
at
the
Red
Roof
and
non-congregate
shelter
and
the
homelessness
coordinator
contract
that
the
city
had
during
the
pandemic.
J
The
staff
recommendation
would
be
that
the
request
be
fulfilled
and
that
the
as
really
a
way
to
address
and
anticipated
need
in
the
community.
In
addition,
it
would
allow
us
to
make
progress
towards
that
80
spin
down
deadline
so
would
move
the
needle
a
little
bit
further
and
get
us
up
to
55
percent
at
100
or
840
000
spent
to
date
before
we
move
to
questions.
I
did
ask
April
Burgess
Johnson
the
executive
director
of
helpmate
to
join
us
this
morning,
so
that
she
could
share.
J
K
Thank
you
so
much
Jonathan
and
thank
you
for
the
the
invitation
to
be
here
today.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
about
what
the
pandemic
was
like
for
domestic
violence
survivors
and
how
help
my
tried
to
be
nimble
in
responding
to
those
conditions.
K
K
The
way
that
our
shelters
constructed
it
is
a
congregate,
shelter,
meaning
that
every
bedroom
has
three
beds
in
it,
and
every
set
of
two
bedrooms
shares
a
bathroom
which
means
that
when
the
pandemic
began,
it
was
very
clear
that
we
were
going
to
have
to
do
something
differently
if
we
were
going
to
balance
the
safety
needs
of
survivors
who
were
trying
to
flee
abusive
partners
with
the
health
and
safety
needs
that
our
entire
Community
was
facing,
because
it
was
clear
that
it
was
unsafe
to
put
six
unrelated
people
sharing
one
bathroom
and
a
small
closed
environment,
and
so
we
took
an
action,
that's
non-traditional
for
non-profits,
which
is
that
we
tried
to
be
nimble
and
early
on
in
the
pandemic.
K
In
April
of
2020,
we
took
the
pretty
drastic
step
of
closing
our
emergency
shelter,
which
it's
a
drastic
step,
because
we
serve
about
225
people
from
150
families
there
every
year
we
get
another
300
requests
from
folks
that
we
have
to
shelter
outside
of
our
community,
because
we've
got
limited
capacity.
That
means
that
the
people
who
are
staying
in
our
shelter
are
at
extremely
high
risk.
K
92
percent
of
the
folks
who
live
in
our
shelter
are,
in
the
extreme
risk
category
for
domestic
violence,
homicide
as
measured
by
Johns
Hopkins
University,
and
we
know
that
violence
has
a
disproportionate
impact
on
bypoc
folks
who
live
here
in
Asheville,
a
41
of
helpmate
shelter
residents
are
by
pop
folks,
and
so
there's
both
a
health
and
safety
and
an
equity
aspect
to
us,
realizing
that
we
had
it.
We
had
to
act
quickly
and
so
the
same
day
that
we
closed
our
congregate
shelter.
K
We
opened
a
domestic
violence,
shelter
on
one
floor
of
an
open,
Public
Hotel
here
in
the
community.
Now,
if
y'all
want
to
talk
about
a
scary
thing,
to
do
that's
a
scary
thing
to
do.
I've
done
this
work
for
30
years,
and
we've
never
tried
to
have
a
secret
shelter
in
a
public
place
like
a
hotel,
but
successfully
we
were.
We
were
able
to
navigate
the
multiple
challenges
that
came
along
with
that.
K
We
worked
with
churches
and
community
members
and
volunteers
to
make
sure
that
we
had
three
hot
meals
per
day,
delivered
to
every
single
family
who
was
staying
in
that
hotel-based
shelter.
We
worked
with
the
hotel
to
have
access
to
their
security
systems
so
that
we
could
monitor
the
security
of
the
folks
who
were
living
in
shelter
and
we
provided
from
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic.
K
Till
now,
we've
provided
313
adults
and
215
children
with
more
than
10
000,
safe
nights
of
shelter
and
those
were
nights
when
kids
didn't
have
to
worry
about
blue
lights
shining
through
their
bedroom
window
and
middle
of
the
night
as
the
police
were
showing
up
because
of
violence
that
impacted
one
of
their
parents.
It
was
a
place
where
we
had.
K
You
know
we
did
all
the
things
that
the
city
did
when
you
all
opened
a
non-congregate
shelter
and
we
layered
on
top
of
that
trauma-based
services.
So
we
had
trauma
based
counseling.
We
had
ongoing
case
management.
We
had
a
24-hour
multiple
staff
presence
in
this
hotel
to
make
sure
that
the
environment
was
not
just
safe
but
was
also
conducive
to
Healing.
K
This
experience
also
really
informed
our
plans
to
enlarge
our
Domestic
Violence
Shelter,
which
we've
known
for
years
needed
to
happen,
but
it
really
informed
our
design
into
one
that
is
pandemic,
responsive
where
we
basically
will
have
one
two
and
three
bedroom
small
efficiency
Suites.
That
folks
will
be
able
to
stay
in,
which
means
that-
and
that's
all
like
for
us
all
over
our
shoulder
and
cross
our
fingers
that
this
never
happens.
K
But
if
we
ever
have
another
Public
Health
crisis
like
this,
we'll
be
set
up
in
a
way
to
manage
it
without
having
to
worry
about
the
additional
layer
of
safety
risks
that
we
had
to
worry
about
during
this
time
period.
So,
as
Mr
Jones
said
earlier,
we
did
work
with
local
government
officials
to
the
to
the
extent
that
we
could
and
we
needed
to.
During
this,
we
were
referred
on
by
City
staff
to
that
North
Carolina
emergency
management
process,
wherein
they
sought
FEMA
reimbursement
on
our
behalf
that
all
ran
smoothly.
K
We
followed
all
of
their
guidelines
when
that
program
ended
is
when
we
were
informed
that
we
needed,
because
we
got
a
denial
when
we
build
U.S
FEMA,
that
we
needed
this
agreement
with
the
city
and
that's
when
I
reached
out
to
City
staff
and
what
brought
us
here
today
during
the
time
period
that
was
denied
by
FEMA
right,
it
wasn't
the
full
scope
of
the
pandemic.
It
was
November
10th
of
21
to
April
30th
of
22..
K
During
that
time
period,
66
adults
and
44
children
were
sheltered
in
this
hotel-based
shelter,
and
so
it
is
just
only
the
direct
lodging
and
Security
expenses
that
we
incurred
during
that
time
that
we
build
to
feed
and
that's
the
exact
same
request
that
we're
making
of
you
all
today,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
You
have.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
F
I'm
really
confused
about
why
the
North
Carolina
emergency
management
pulled
out
as
the
pass-through
for
FEMA,
because
it
seems
like
at
the
very
height
of
pandemic,
related
reimbursement
request.
So
was
it
that
their
program
year
was
over
or
did
some
type
of
emergency
occur?
I,
don't
I'm
not
getting
that
I'm
a
little
confused.
Thank.
K
You
Miss
vice
mayor
and
we
had
the
same
layer
of
confusion.
They
stopped
administering
the
program
Statewide,
so
it
wasn't
helpmate
specific
or
even
Asheville
specific.
They
discontinued
that
pass-through
service
that
they
offered
and
possibly
Jonathan,
has
more
information
about
why
that
happened,
but
they
didn't
tell
us
why
they
stopped.
We
just
found
out
when
a
billing
was
rejected
and
they
called
us
and
said:
oh
actually,
you
need
to
bill
U.S
FEMA
for
this.
We're
not
doing
that
anymore.
F
K
So
grateful
for
that
acknowledgment.
This
was
a
beast.
This
was
something
that
our
nonprofit
had
never
encountered
before,
and
we
were
definitely
in
over
their
heads
over
our
heads
and
no,
they
didn't
provide
any
written
guidance.
They
did
provide
us
with
a
contact
phone
number
for
a
person
named
Shonda,
Corbett,
who's,
a
kind
human
and
talked
us
through
some
of
the
pieces
and
put
us
in
connection
with
folks
who
had
answers
to
questions
that
she
didn't.
But
I
still
don't
know
the.
Why
of
the
change.
J
I'm
not
aware
of
exactly
the
the
reason
that
North
Carolina
emergency
management
shifted
their
role
in
the
process.
I
do
know
that
it
was
something
that
happened.
J
We
we
had
received
noticed
that
there
was
going
to
be
a
change,
as
we
were
right
as
the
city
was
wrapping
up.
It's
FEMA
reimbursement
process
because
some
of
the
same
shelter
costs
at
the
Red
Roof
Inn
Shelter
were
also
billed
to
FEMA,
and
some
of
those
were
handled
through
that
pass-through.
So
I
I
would
say
yes,
the
the
thing
the
process
is
also
a
very
different
one
than
probably
the
city
or
many
of
our
Community
Partners
are
familiar
with
and
can
be
quite
arduous.
F
And
certainly
why
we
couldn't
make
that
request
on
help
mates
the
hand
might
act
as
the
legal
Authority.
J
So,
first,
because
one
we,
we,
the
city,
went
through
a
similar
process
when
shifting
operations
from
the
Hera's
Center
to
Red,
Roof,
Inn
and
navigating
when
that
authorization
happened
and
how
that
was
documented.
So
it's
not
the
first
time
this
issue
has
come
up
and
knowing
that
it's
not
as
clear
as
being
able
to
use
an
immediate
resource
that
we
can
approve,
that
would
directly
affect
our
code
response
using
cdbg
CV.
J
So
the
the
approach
here
was
to
look
at
an
element
and
a
funding
source
that
the
city
has
you
know
direct
management
of
versus
continuing
to
pursue
a
FEMA
reimbursement
that
could
be
delayed
or
further
denied
and
doing
so
on
a
rather
narrow
appeal
window,
so
FEMA
would
have
required
that
helpmate
have
that
appeal
submitted
within
60
days
of
the
rejection,
meaning
we,
the
city,
would
have
had
to
have
gone
through
our
authorization
of
that
in
that
60-day,
time
frame,
which
is
really
fast
for
for
the
city
to
go
through
and
do
so.
A
True
I
appreciate
all
the
information
and
staff
work
on
this
I
wasn't
aware.
This
had
happened
to
help
mate
toads,
both
upsetting
at
that
State
level,
but
also
hopeful
that
we
can
help
them
and
also
move
towards
our
better
allocation
spending
rate,
any
other
questions
or
comments
before
we
just
move
this
to
a
vote.
Would
anyone
like
to
make
a
motion.
I
A
A
Okay,
all
right
roll
call
vote,
councilman,
Mosley,
aye,
councilwoman,
Smith,
all
right
myself,
councilwoman,
Turner,
I!
All
right!
Thank
you,
April
for
being
here
today
and
sharing
more
about
what
helped
made
experience
in
the
pandemic
and
I'm
glad
that
we
can
come
through
like
this.
For
you
thank.
A
Thank
you
and
I
do
believe.
We
have
public
comment,
one
more
item
for
those
of
you.
Listening
at
home,
we
are
on
to
item
number
six,
which
is
public
comment.
Do
we
have
anyone
on
the
line
wishing
to
make
a
comment?
No,
we
do
not
all
right.
Thank
you.
Katie
and
I
know
that
before
we
adjourn,
Nikki
wanted
to
take
a
moment
and
say
a
couple
things
so
go
ahead.
Nikki.
C
Thank
you
and
I
know:
Jonathan
went
off
screen,
but
I'm
sure
he's
still
listening
in
in
his
office,
but
we
did
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
share
our
appreciation
for
Jonathan's
work
here
at
the
city
of
Asheville,
he's
been
a
long
time,
City
employee
in
the
Community
Development
Division
and
took
the
Helm
of
the
Community
Development
Division
as
its
manager.
At
a
time
when
we
really
needed
him,
Jonathan
came
to
me
and
said:
I
know
that
we
need
some
leadership
in
this
role
and
I
want
to
step
in.
C
C
Having
the
Stevens
Lee
Community
Center
see
much
needed
improvements
that
are
happening
as
a
result
of
some
cdbg
Investments
that
he
really
helped
shape
and
help
deliver
on
and
then
also
just
leading
the
team.
Some
behind
the
scenes
work
that
he's
done
to
really
engage
his
team
train.
His
staff,
so
I'll
have
to
say
I
personally
have
been
going
through
the
the
many
stages
of
grief.
I
thought
I
had
hit
acceptance
this
week,
but
it
continues
to
Teeter
back
and
forth,
because
Jonathan
will
greatly
be
missed
by
our
team.
C
He
was
a
an
integral
part
of
the
work
that
we
do
to
support
city
council
and
the
efforts
that
we
have
here
so
Jonathan.
We
thank
you.
We
thank
you
for
your
public
service
to
the
city
of
Asheville
for
all
these
years,
and
especially
as
your
work
in
the
community
development
field
and
we're
glad
that
at
least
we
won't
lose
your
expertise
and
service
in
this
community.
As
you
all
know,
he's
moving
to
Buncombe
County
to
serve
a
continue
to
serve
but
Jonathan.
We
just
wanted
to
recognize
you
for
your
service.
Thank
you.
So
much.
J
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
the
trust
that
the
community
has
invested
in
me
and
the
opportunity
to
serve
the
city
and
work
with
such
a
great
group
of
people
on
a
lot
of
important
Community
concerns.
So
I'm
going
to
take
that
with
me
and
continue
to
look
forward
to
seeing
some
familiar
faces
in
in
the
future.
A
Thanks
yeah,
thank
you
Jonathan,
so
much
and
thank
you
Nikki
for
sharing
that
sentiment.
It
is
helpful
that
you
will
still
be
at
the
county
and
as
the
if
you've
seen
the
city
and
the
county
are
working
more
and
more
together
with
each
year
we
could
pass
and
especially
on
housing.
So
I
am
comforted
that
you
will
still
be
in
the
environment
of
helping
everyone
and
that
we
will
still
see
you
and
get
to
work
together,
but
we
hate
to
lose
you
and
darn
it.
We
had
just
gotten
staffed
up.