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C
Good
morning,
everyone
and
welcome
to
may's
housing
and
community
development
meeting.
I
am
sage
turner.
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chair,
all
council
members
and
staff
are
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Thank
you.
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if
you
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possible.
C
All
right.
Vice
mayor,
shanika
smith,
good
morning,
good
morning,
councilwoman
antoinette
mosley
hi
good
morning,
assistant
city
manager,
kathy
ball
good
morning.
Everyone
interim
community
and
economic
development
director
nikki
reed
hi
good
morning,
community
development
program,
director,
paul
d'angelo.
E
I
think
emily's
on
another
meeting
today,
councilman
turner,
so
it's
it's
going
to
be
me
doing
that
point
in
time.
Count
presentation.
C
C
A
second
thank
you:
okay,
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Vice
mayor,
shaniqua
smith,
hi,
councilwoman,
antoinette
mosley,
I
and
myself
stage
turner
aye
great.
Thank
you!
Okay
for
those
of
you.
Listening
in
we're
on
item
two
community
development
and
homeless
updates,
paul
you'd
have
a
thorough
update
for
us.
Would
you
like
to
kick
it
off
or.
D
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
this
morning.
I
know
we
have
a
busy
agenda.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
for
us,
please
let
me
know.
F
Shanika,
I
do.
I
have
a
ques,
I
had
a
question
paul.
I
read
a
correspondence
from
the
department
of
treasury
and
they
gave
some.
They
gave
some
very
specific
steps
on
how
to
continue
with
your
with
our
emergency
rental
assistance
program
and
they
gave
nine
steps.
F
I
guess
nine
points
of
guidance
and
they
talked
about
if,
if
any
case,
in
any
case,
that
the
landlord
would
not
participate
with
a
rental
assistance
program
that
a
grantee
could
award
funds
directly
to
the
renter,
also
that
if
the
renter
could
not
provide
documentation
required
by
you,
know,
traditional
programs,
rental
assistance
programs
that
they
would
forfeit
that
and
continue
to
to
fund
directly
and
cut
the
time
that
the
time
that
they
normally
a
lot
to
contact
the
renter
contact.
D
So
two
things
come
to
mind
vice
mayor
smith.
One
is:
is
that
the
us
treasury
money,
when
it
comes
to
rental
assistance
that
funding
actually
went
to
the
county.
Our
funding
that
we
have
is
the
cdbg
coveted,
related
funding
from
hud.
So
there's
a
couple
differences
there
with
where
the
funding
comes
from
the
cv,
ranks
and
cv
guidance
and
emergency
rental
assistance
guidance
we're
getting
additional
like
information,
that's
coming
out
almost
weekly
or
bi-weekly
that
we're
trying
to
keep
up
with
so
my
answer.
Would
that
be?
D
Is
it's
definitely
something
I
can
share
with
the
county
since
their
funding
is
coming
from
the
us
treasury,
however,
we're
looking
at
all
those
types
of
regs
and
information
to
make
sure
we
have
in
our
cdbg
cv
policy
when
it
comes
to
rental
assistance,
something
that's
fair
and
equitable,
we're
trying
to
keep
up
with
that,
like
others,
but
I
can
certainly
reach
out
to
the
county
regarding
those
treasury.
Specifics.
F
Okay,
I
was
just
wondering
because
their
strategic
focus
was
pretty
much
like
what
the
guidance
we
were
given
to
avoid
eviction
and
secure
housing
stability
right.
So,
even
though
there
are
different
pockets
of
money
and
this
guidance
just
came
out
maybe
two
days
ago-
I'm
almost
wondering
if
it
will
affect
the
money
that
homer,
bound
and
pistol
legal
are
administrating
for
us.
D
Take
a
look,
and
one
of
the
great
things
is
we're
having
weekly
meetings
with
pisgah
and
homeward
bound
about
their
funding,
so
I'm
sure
that'll
I'll
make
sure
we
add
that
to
the
agenda
for
topics
of
discussion
next
week.
C
I
was
looking
at
the
housing
trust
fund
balance.
Do
we
know
if
there
are
a
couple
projects
that
may
or
may
not
utilize
the
funds
and
those
funds
may
be
returning?
Where
are
we
in
that
process?.
D
So
right
now,
I
think
we've
got
usually
about
every
two
or
three
months
we
meet
with
our
finance
team
to
review
what
that
balance
looks
like
my
best
estimate
at
the
moment
is
we
have
about
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
our
housing
trust
fund?
We
are
going
to
council
regarding
one
of
those
older
housing
trust
fund
loans
to
receive
that
money
back,
even
though
no
money
went
out
but
to
officially
receive
that
money.
D
I
think
it'll
put
our
balance
at
about
2
million,
and
I've
got
a
meeting
with
finance
before
our
next
hcd
meeting.
It's
that
one
of
those
meetings
to
verify
the
balance.
Regarding
the
pine
view,
the
pine
view
housing
trust
fund
loan
for
the
12
condominiums
that
development
team
is
struggling
as
well
with
development
costs,
and
they
are
looking
at
coming
back
in
june
with
some
discussion
items
about
the
best
way
for
them
to
move
forward.
D
But
right
now
they
are
not
anticipating
at
this
present
moment,
to
having
to
return
those
funds
for
home
ownership,
but
with
all
of
that,
it
has
to
do
I'm
sure,
as
you
all
know,
with
the
cost
of
construction
right
now.
Unfortunately,.
C
Yeah
eight
dollar
two
by
fours
are
not
helping.
Thank
you
for
that
update
and
it
looked
like
I
on
my
way
into
the
office
this
morning.
360
hillard
is
coming
really
along.
It
looks
like
they
might
be
done
really
soon.
Do
we
know
a
target
opening
date
or
anything.
I
know
we
said
spring,
but.
D
I
think
we're
looking
at
sometime
in
july,
give
or
take-
and
hopefully
the
information
there
on
how
to
to
not
only
live
in
one
of
those
units,
but
particularly
the
affordable
units,
but
yeah
really
exciting
to
see
that
and
and
other
movements
on
other
properties
here
over
the
last
12
to
18
months,
to
see,
as
you
all
saw,
the
work
session
with
a
little
luck.
Hopefully
373,
affordable
units-
and
we
really
appreciate
city
management
and
council's
assistance
with
all
of
that.
It's
exciting
to
see
that
the
build's
happening.
C
F
I
do
have
a
follow-up
question
concerning
hillary:
are
there
any
conversations
about
acceptance
of
housing,
short
spouses.
D
Yes
and
I
a
great
question-
and
yes,
they've
already
had
a
meeting
with
the
housing
authority
several
months
ago,
with
david
nash
in
the
housing
authority
about
accepting
choice,
vouches
vouchers,
I
can't
remember
if
in
their
agreement
it
was
required
or
strongly
suggested,
but
I
was
really
pleased
the
kashinger
group
actually
reached
out
to
set
up
that
meeting
first
before
we
prompted
it.
So
I
do
believe
they're
planning
on
accepting
housing
choice,
vouchers.
C
Okay,
great
all
right,
I
think
that
is
it
for
item
number
two.
Thank
you
for
the
updates,
some
great
questions
for
those
of
you.
Listening
at
home,
we
are
now
moving
on
to
item
number
three
additional
hud
and
cdbg
funding.
It
sounds
like
paul.
You
have
an
update
for
us.
D
Yep,
so
thanks
that
for
the
patients
there
so,
as
you
all
know,
with
things
moving
very
quickly,
we
are
here
this
morning
to
look
for
authorization
to
submit
an
updated,
21,
22
annual
action
plan
to
the
us
department
of
housing
and
urban
development.
With
that
action
request
to
take
this
to
council,
the
city
originally
received
our
hud
allocation
notice,
with
approximately
1.13
million
in
cdbg
funds
and
1.37
and
home
funds.
That
would
begin
on
july,
1st,
usually
going
to
hud
contract
and
contract
with
our
sub-recipient
sometime
in
october.
D
D
If
I'm
getting
that
corrected,
that'd
be
correct,
funds
are
awarded
to
us
and
recently,
just
last
friday,
we
got
a
notice
from
hud
that
the
city
of
asheville
would
be
receiving
an
additional
fifteen
thousand
two
hundred
ninety
six
dollars
in
cdbg
funds,
bringing
our
total
award
this
year
for
21.22
to
1.15
million
dollars,
and
they
extended
the
annual
action
plan
submission
date
to
june
26th
staff
is
recommending
that
for
now
we
put
that
funding
into
contingency
so
that
it
could
be
reallocated
at
a
later
future,
hcd
and
council
meeting
without
just
getting
that
notice.
D
Last
friday,
it's
a
really
quick
turnaround
to
be
able
to
figure
out
exactly
how
we
could
use
that
funding,
whether
it's
for
the
public
services
cap
on
the
projects
there
or
the
other
economic
development
and
housing
services.
D
Usually
we
come
back
at
a
later
date
with
hcd
funding
when
we
have
an
official
count
on
the
program
income
for
the
year,
so
we're
suggesting
just
simply
to
move
that
15
000
into
contingency.
So
we
can
get
our
plan
submitted
in
time
and
then
bring
back
how
we
divide
up
that
funding
at
a
future
date.
Just
so
everybody
knows
our
system
participation
plan
that
we
have
talks
about
how
we
work
with
flood
funding
and
what
what's
a
substantial
amendment.
D
This
is
not
looked
at
as
a
substantial
amendment
for
this
small
award
amount,
so
there's
no
public
hearing
and
those
types
of
things,
but
again
looking
for
a
recommendation
to
take
this
to
council
on
june
8th
moving
the
funding
into
contingency
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
C
Okay,
so
you
do
need
actual.
You
need
action
from
us
any
questions
or
concerns
from
committee
members.
F
After
we
move
it
into
contingency,
how
much
time
do
we
have
to
decide
where
we'll
actually
assign
the
money
or
what
concept
we
have
to
fund?
We
can.
D
Always
sure
we
can
always
go
back
at
any
kind
of
point
to
amend
our
annual
action
plan.
D
What
we're
probably
looking
at
is
coming
back
in
august
or
september
to
make
sure
that
we
can
allocate
or
reallocate
those
contingency
funds
so
that
by
the
time
we
get
a
contract
with
our
sub-recipients
in
october,
we've
got
solid
final
numbers,
so
we're
looking
at
coming
back
in
august
or
september
just
to
move
that
have
a
smoothest
possible
year
and
just
as
a
fyi
the
last
couple
of
years
between
covid
government,
shutdowns,
etc.
D
C
Great,
thank
you
that
timing
sounds
fine.
The
only
other
thought
that
came
to
mind
is
when
we
deal
with
the
spf,
and
I
know
when
we
were
going
through
the
allocation
of
this
last
round.
We
were
talking
a
little
bit
about
partners
that
might
be
better
suited
to
the
sbf.
So
I
wonder
if
you
know,
maybe
if
the
committee
can
just
keep
that
in
context
when
we
get
to
that
process
and
then
we
can
deal
with
them
separately,
any
other
questions
or
comments,
or
if
not,
can
we
get
a
motion?
F
I
moved
to
allocate
additional
h
hood
cdbg
funding
in
the
amount
of
fifteen
thousand
two
hundred
and
ninety
six
dollars
to
cdbg
contingency.
H
C
C
There
was
no
one
in
the
queue
great
we're
lucky:
okay,
we're
gonna,
keep
moving
item
number
four
presentation
and
the
purchase
of
talbert
lot
on
50
ashland
sounds
like
nikki.
Are
you
kicking
this
one
off
absolutely.
I
And
so,
if
you
will
start
sharing
the
slides,
we
do
have
a
presentation
today
regarding
the
purchase
of
what
we
call
the
talbert
lot.
That's
the
name
of
the
owner
and
that's
kind
of
the
moniker
that
had
been
we've
been
using
for
the
past
year,
so
bear
with
us.
But
so
here
we
go
talbert
lot
at
50
ashland.
I
I
am
joined
today
by
jessica,
morris
who's,
the
assistant
director
of
transportation
and
she's,
going
to
be
sharing
out
a
little
bit
of
the
vision
as
it
both
relates
to
affordable
housing
and
the
expansion
of
the
transit
center
there.
So
next
slide
jenna,
so
yeah
today,
we'll
cover
location,
we'll
give
some
background,
we'll
talk
about
the
opportunity
with
the
property,
as
well
as
a
transit-oriented
development
concept.
We'll
also
speak
to
some
due
diligence
work
that
we've
done
talk
about
funding
and
next
steps.
Next
slide.
I
So
in
terms
of
the
location,
let's
paint
the
picture
of
where
we
sit
with
this
property.
So
you'll
see
the
city's
existing
transit
station
is
there
to
the
north.
So
that's
about
a
half
acre
property
and
you
can
see
the
the
bus
shelter
outlined
there
with
the
green
roof.
I
You'll
see
that
the
property
the
talbert
lot
is
is
located
directly
adjacent
to
the
city's
existing
transit
station.
There.
It's
a
combined
acreage
altogether
of
of
one
and
a
half
acres.
When
you
look
at
the
size
of
the
city's
transit
station,
the
size
of
the
talbert
lot
itself,
as
well
as
the
driveway
there,
that
the
city
also
owns
that
opens
to
cox
avenue.
I
I
We
also
wanted
to
explore
the
history
of
the
property
and
really
understand
how
this
site
was
located
relative
to
our
city's
past.
We
did
see
that
this
site
overlaps
with
a
former
redlined
area
so
you'll,
see,
I
think,
the
same
outline
there
of
the
transit
center
and
you'll
see
that
this
property
was
in
the
top
north
west
corner
of
the
former
redlining
maps.
This
property,
however,
was
not
included
in
the
urban
renewal
of
east
riverside.
That
was
the
closest
urban
renewal
project
in
proximity.
I
But
nonetheless
we
also,
we
just
wanted
to
point
out
the
property's
history,
as
as
part
of
our
equity
lens
in
reviewing
the
site
next
slide.
I
So
a
bit
of
background,
so
we
you
know,
we
went
back
through
our
master
planning
efforts
and
in
2009
the
downtown
master
plan
identified
this
site
as
a
redevelopment
enhancement
opportunity,
given
that
the
use
has
really
been
parking
for
quite
some
time
and
then
in
2018,
the
city
actually
began
a
lease
of
that
site
for
parking
really
to
serve
downtown
workers
with
a
reasonable
monthly
parking
rate,
and
at
that
time
we
also
began
negotiations
with
the
owner
on
a
potential
purchase
of
the
property
and
then
last
summer
this
really
all
came
together
where
we
finally
came
to
terms
with
the
owner
and
went
to
council
to
seek
approval
for
entering
into
that
contract.
I
I
At
that
time,
based
on
a
fair
market
appraisal
for
the
site,
we
also
were
encouraged
by
council
and
by
city
management
to
really
seek
partnerships
for
this
property,
with
the
idea
being
the
expansion
of
transit
services
as
well
as
affordable
housing.
It
presented
a
unique
opportunity,
and
so
at
that
time,
while
under
contract,
we
also
began
conversations
with
dogwood
health
trust
about
their
interest
in
partnering,
on
the
acquisition
of
the
property
to
support,
affordable
housing
in
a
key
location.
I
I
I
And
so
at
this
point,
I'd
like
jessica
morris
I'd
invite
her
to
speak,
because
I
think
she
might
be
able
to
really
talk
about
the
property
opportunities
and
concepts
as
it
relates
to
the
affordable
housing
and
the
transit
opportunities.
So.
B
J
Good
morning,
everyone
jessica
morris
assistant,
director
of
the
transportation
department,
we're
very
excited
about
this
opportunity
to
purchase
this
facility
or
this
lot,
because
we
we
have
a
great
opportunity
here
to
make
a
better
transit
center.
I'm
not
sure
how
many
folks
have
been
to
our
transit
center.
It
recently
did
receive
a
renovation,
but
it
was
mostly
an
aesthetic
renovation
and,
it
didn't
add
any
square
footage
to
the
property,
and
so
the
property
itself
as
it
stands,
is
very
constrained.
J
It
doesn't
have
a
whole
lot
of
space
for
the
public,
both
in
the
waiting
areas
and
as
on
and
on
the
platform,
and
as
we
continue
to
expand
our
transit
system,
we
are
going
to
be
in
desperate
need
of
additional
space
for
passengers
for
our
employees,
etc.
So
this
is
a
great
opportunity
for
us
to
secure
some
land
directly
next
to
our
existing
transit
center,
that
we
can
expand
on
this
great
amenity
for
downtown
and,
of
course,
in
doing
so.
J
J
They
may
include
community
spaces,
meeting
spaces,
retail
spaces,
restaurants
and
so
what
we,
what
we
have
really
is
a
blank
slate
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
here
for
envisioning
with
the
community.
What
we
could
make
this
site
make
this
site
into
next
slide.
Please
and
here's
just
a
couple
more
examples.
I
Want
to
do
this
part
sure
thing
so
I'll
talk
about
the
due
diligence
work
so
part
of
our
city
process
when
we're
looking
to
acquire
property,
especially
a
a
property
of
this
of
this
scale,
this
expense
and
this
type
of
long-term
investment
for
the
city.
We
do
a
significant
amount
of
due
diligence
work
on
the
front
end
before
the
decision
is
made
to
acquire
the
property,
so
in
this
case
that
included
both
a
geotechnical
investigation
as
well
as
well
as
an
environmental
site
assessment.
I
So
the
good
news
here
is
certainly
that
the
environmental
conditions
prove
to
be
very
much
acceptable
and
very
much
in
line
with
what
you
would
expect
for
typical
downtown
urban
lots.
So
we're
excited
that
there
is
is
really
no
recognized
environmental
conditions.
That's
the
technical
term
for
this
property
and
and
pleased
about
that.
The
geotechnical
did
come
with
some
caveats
and
that's
something
that
we
wanted
to
outline
specifically
in
the
staff
report.
I
I
We
felt
that,
despite
this
premium
for
the
soil
conditions
that
we
still
would
recommend
the
approval
of
the
property
at
the
current
price,
and
so
that
is
something
that
we
wanted
to
be
transparent
about
and
ensure
that
council
understood
that
we
have
a
slight
premium
here,
but
we
really
still
feel
like
this
is
the
best
bang
for
our
buck,
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
jessica
too.
I
think
she
also
did
due
diligence
regarding
this
site
and
the
federal
transit
administration,
which
I
know
would
be
key
in
in
in
funding
for
future
transit.
J
4
office
told
them
about
what
we
were
looking
at
looking
at
doing
and
purchasing
this
property,
and
so
they
worked
with
us
to
do
some
of
the
very
initial
steps
that
would
be
required
and
the
big
one
is
starting:
the
nepa
analysis,
which
is
the
national
environmental
analysis,
and
so
they
determined-
and
we
have
a
determination
letter
that
this
project,
even
though
we
don't
know
exactly
what
it
will
be,
it's
not
going
to
have
a
significant
impact
on
any
environmental
resources,
and
so
we
do
have
a
categorical
exclusion
from
the
fta
for
nepa.
J
On
this
project.
We
still
have
to
complete
a
section
106,
which
is
a
historic
resources
analysis,
and
as
soon
as
we
close
on
the
property
we
will.
We
will
continue
through
that
process
and
essentially,
what
that's
looking
at
is
the
historic
buildings
that
are
in
the
vicinity
and
making
sure
that
this
future
project
wouldn't
have
any
any
impact
on
those
next
slide.
I
Great,
so
thank
you,
jessica
and
so
with
this
just
to
wrap
it
up.
So
looking
at
the
funding
per
purchase
for
the
purchase,
the
price
being
2.75,
those
due
diligence
costs
that
we
went
over
included,
75
000
additional
funds
with
the
dogwood
health
trust
grant,
they're
covering
half
of
the
purchase
price
and
the
city
of
asheville
funding
will
be
from
the
city's
general
fund
proceeds
from
the
sale
of
property
at
172,
174,
south
charlotte
street.
I
So
in
terms
of
next
steps
so
short
term.
Looking
at
that
budget
amendment
and
grant
gratification
at
city
council
next
tuesday,
that
would
then
position
us
to
close
at
the
end
of
june.
We
will
continue
in
the
current
use
of
providing
a
public
parking
option,
while
we
continue
to
explore
new
opportunities
for
the
current
use
of
that
site
and
as
jessica
notes
here,
that
revenue
does
go
to
our
parking
fund
and
then
long
term
jessica
will
be
at
the
home
for
preparing
for
a
planning
process.
I
A
really
deep
community
engagement
process
to
look
at
the
use
of
the
new
transit-oriented
development.
I
think
you're
also
seeing
how
engaged
the
the
federal
government
will
also
be
in
that
with
the
the
future
of
transit
expansion,
and
so
we're
excited
about
about
that
process,
and
so
next
slide.
I
think
that'll
wrap
us
up.
So
yes,
today,
we
are
looking
from
looking
for
a
recommendation
from
the
committee
to
provide
to
council,
and
the
proposed
motion
is:
is
there
on
the
end
slide?
So
thanks
so
much
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
chair.
C
Thank
both
of
you,
wonderful
presentation
and
details.
I
do
have
a
couple
questions.
Do
any
of
the
other
committee
members
have
any
before
I
go.
H
I
was
particularly
interested
in
the
portion
that
shows
that
the
funds
will
come
in
part
from
the
sale
of
the
previously
urban
renewal
acquired
land
on
south
charlotte
street.
I
will
say,
as
a
separate
matter
not
related
to
this
matter,
but
also
related
to
this
matter.
We
discussed
in
an
earlier
meeting
the
halting
of
work
on
the
319,
biltmore
avenue
or
commonly
was
commonly
known
as
the
old
matthews
ford
site,
with
an
eye
towards
moving
that
land
into
the
urban
renewal
land
moratorium.
H
H
While
we
see
the
redlining
map,
no
discussion
has
been
given
to
the
possibility
of
perhaps
killing
two
birds
with
one
stone
moving
forward
with
transportation,
but
in
a
property
that
is
so
highly
valued
in
downtown,
we
can
still
do
affordable
housing
and
have
it
be
urban
renewal
related?
My
fear
is
that
the
more
we
move
forward
with
purchasing
for
things
not
related
to
urban
renewal,
the
more
we
gentrify
our
area
and
our
neighbors,
particularly
those
neighbors
who
look
like
me,
fall
farther
and
farther
behind.
I
would
appreciate
any
discussion
on
that.
C
H
A
So,
council,
member
or
chair
turner
and
council
member
mosley,
one
thing
that
would
be
really
helpful
for
us
is,
if
you
all
could
give
us
nods
or
we
could
get
a
consensus
from
the
committee
on
a
direction
forward
on
this.
I
apologize
that
we
have
not
moved
forward
with
clear
direction.
Council
councilwoman
mosley-
because
you
have
mentioned
this
before.
A
H
That's
not
we
all
three
in
the
last
minute
in
the
last
meeting,
indicated
that
we
wanted
information
about
319
as
related
to
the
fiscal
impact.
C
I
wonder,
though,
so
being
that
this
is
a
regulatory
committee,
and
this
is
a
large
item,
so
we
should
it
sounds
like
we
did
have
a
nod
a
meeting
before
that
we
said
we
would
like
to
hear
more
about
this,
which,
in
my
mind,
was
a
nod
to
get
it
on
an
agenda,
because
if
we
want
to
have
a
discussion
on
it,
of
course,
there's
public
comment
and
to
get
to
a
vote
and
all
those
things
so
vice
mayor
smith,
I
know
you're
listening
in
so
I'm
I
am
okay
with
moving
forward
and
asking
for
this
to
be
an
agenda
item
and
getting
more
information
having
a
discussion
around
it
and
it
sounds
like
councilwoman
mosley
is
vice
mayor
smith.
F
Yeah,
it
was
it
was.
It
was
my
understanding
that
that
was
already
motioned
last
last
meeting,
and
I
thought
it
was
very
specific
and
we
all
agreed.
I
think
the
the
same
request
that
we're
making
right
now
was
already
an.
C
C
F
I
don't
have
an
additional.
I
do
have
an
additional
comment
to
make,
because
I've
seen
in
our
staff
update
concerning
319
that
they've
actually
moved
forward
and
towards
the
hud
pre-application,
and
they
will
be
moving
forward
with
that
application.
F
I
think
by
the
end
of
this
month
and
and
that
means
that
they'll
be
pretty
much
in
the
the
first
phase
environmental
reports
and
completing
questionnaires,
and
you
know
moving
into
the
underwriting
process-
and
I
know
it
takes
probably
you
know
12
months
to
do
that,
but
it
seems
like
you
know.
Councilwoman
mosley
has
made
a
request
and
it's
almost
putting
putting
a
halt
to
any
concept
that
they
would
submit
to
hud
until
we're
clear
as
a
committee.
F
C
When
I
saw
that
update,
I
did
think
it
was
the
same
language
and
for
those
of
you
listening
it
sells
that
homes
urban
is
the
name
of
the
partner.
That
is
an
loi.
This
deal
has
not
closed
but
did
go
to
rfp
homes.
Urban
was
chosen
and
says
the
update
says
they
will
be
submitting
a
hud
2221
d4
pre-app
in
early
to
mid-summer
2021,
which
can
take
a
year
to
close
so
kathy
as
staff
liaison,
and
I
will
get
together
we'll
make
sure
it's
on
a
future
agenda.
C
We'll
have
a
full
discussion,
public
comment,
etc.
If
there
are
other
specific
pieces
of
data
or
something
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have,
if
you
all
could
email
me
remember
no
discussion
amongst
the
three
of
us,
but
you
could
email
me
questions
or
topics
and
data
that
would
you
like
to
have
a
part
of
that
agenda
discussion?
Does
that
sound
good
councilwoman,
mosley.
C
Okay,
so
they
are,
staff
is
looking
for
a
motion
on
this
councilwoman
or
vice
mayor
smith.
I
was
going
to
continue
this
discussion
and
get
us
to
a
vote.
I
can,
I
understand
where
councilwoman
mosley
is.
Where
are
you
at
on
this
particular
item?
Do
you
want
to
continue
to
push
forward?
Are
we
looking
at
maybe
a
delay.
F
Well,
I
do
have
a
clarifying
question
and
I'm
not
in
a
position
to
but
but
concerning
172
and
174
south
charlotte
street.
Now
are
those
two
one
of
those
properties.
In
fact,
one
of
the
properties,
the
urban
renewal
program
area.
I
I
can
help
address
that
so,
and
I
have
a
map
I
can
share
out.
I
can
even
look
for
it
right
now,
if
need
be.
So
when
we
researched
that
property
at
172,
174,
south
charlotte
street,
we
found
two
things
we
found
a
portion
of
that
property
had
been
purchased
through
the
urban
renewal
program
of
the
east
end,
and
we
also
found
that
the
other
portion
of
the
property
the
city
had
owned
since
the
1920s.
I
I
Those
funds
have
to
benefit
cdbg.
So
today,
what
we're
asking
for
these
funds
that
we're
discussing
for
this
purchase
are
the
general
fund
proceeds
and
I
know
in
hcd.
In
the
past
we
talked
at
length
about
the
cdbg
portion
of
those
funds
which
were
ultimately
used
to
purchase
65
ford
street
in
deverview,
and
so
you'll
recall
there.
I
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
around
that
portion
of
funding
for
that
property
acquisition,
but
in
this
case
we
are
talking
about
the
general
fund
proceeds
and
really
in
terms
of
what
we're
looking
at,
I
think
with
the
sale
of
property.
Since
that
is
a
one-time
revenue.
I
I
And
I'm
also
happy
to
help
assist.
I
mean
this
is
coming
to
you
at
a
timely
manner,
just
given
where
we
have
been
in
the
sales
contract
process,
we've
been
under
contract
for
a
while
and
and
are
looking
to
close
at
the
end
of
june.
So
there
is
a
timeliness
with
this
one
as
well.
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
detailed
questions
about
that.
A
F
Because
process,
I
just
like
to
make
a
comment.
You
know
to
councilwoman
mosley's
point:
you
know
we
we
did
bring
in
to
the
conversation,
the
red
lining
context
and-
and
I
know
we're
at
the
first
stage
of
this
development
and
we
haven't
really
thought
through
or
really
married
a
concept.
F
But
you
know
when
you're,
when
you're
thinking
about
the
destination
of
a
community
when
you're
thinking
about
what
redline
the
racial
context
of
redlining
and
also
the
economic
impacts
of
redlining,
you
know
it
does
fall
hard
on
black
people
and
being
that
the
talbert
lot
is
a
part
of
ashland
avenue
which
is
historically
known.
As
you
know,
a
section
of
town
that
was,
we
know.
We
know
the
history,
a
section
of
town
that
was
full
of
home
ownership
and
business
ownership.
F
F
It
means
a
lot
right
now
to
a
lot
of
people
that
we
do
what
is
just
and,
and
we
do
what
is
reparative
so
being
having
that
historic
context
doubly
because
of
south
charlotte
street
and
redlining.
F
I
would
say
that
I
would
agree,
let's
put
a
halt
to
this,
so
that-
and
I
continue
to
say
this-
you
know-
I
said
it
last
time
as
pertaining
to
the
program
income
that
came
from
the
sale
of
white
labs.
What
is
the
best
story?
What
is
the
best
story
where
we
can
say
hey?
We
made
this
action
and
it
rectifies
what
happened
to
this
community
and
what
historically
continues
to
happen
to
this
community
concerning
economic
opportunity
concerning
home
ownership,
business
ownership.
F
So
I
want,
I
want
to
pack
a
powerful
punch
in
everything
we
we
do,
and
I
believe
we
can
do
that
here
and
also
with
319
we're
just
going
to
have
to
get
a
little
radical
and
we're
not
we're
not
moving
too
far
along
from
our
strategic
focus.
You
know
well-planned
communities
and
affordable
housing.
All
of
that
is
baked
into
this,
but
we
have
to
bring
in
intentionality.
C
Thank
you.
I
had
a
couple
questions
that
aren't
going
to
seem
as
relevant
now,
but
I'd
like
to
state
them
so
that
they're
in
the
future
topic.
I
was
curious
about
the
0.22
acre
parcel
in
front
of
it
with
the
little
ranch
single-story
building
and
if
that
had
been
attempted
to
contact
potentially
purchase.
I'm
also
curious
what
the
timeline
is
on
this
option
that
we
have
and
when
we
need
to
close
by.
So
we
have
that
date
in
mind.
As
we
start
changing
meeting
dates.
Does
anyone
know.
I
So
we
have
not
I'll
answer.
Those
questions
and
jessica
can
help
me
as
needed.
We
have
not
contacted
the
property
owners
of
the
bella's
jewelry
in
terms
of
an
acquisition
I
think
on
face
value.
Absolutely
it
would
appear
as
if
that
could
be.
It
was
for
sale
just.
C
I
So
I'm
looking
at
the
amendment
so,
let's
see
we.
I
We
entered
into
the
purchase
contract
in
december
and
then
our
examination
period
does
expire
may
31st
with
a
closing
on
june
30th
effectively.
What
that
means
is
we
were
coming
today
and
going
to
council
toward
the
end
of
the
month
to
meet
that
timeline
of
being
able
to
provide
notice
of
of
our
intent
to
close
by
the
end
of
the
examination
period
on
may
31st
thanks.
I
This
no,
this
was
an
amendment
to
the
contract
that
we
did
that
actually
extended
the
initial
due
diligence
phase
and
I
apologize.
The
timing
here
is
really
as
really
the
timing
is
a
a
result
of
us
having
to
do
that.
More
in-depth
due
diligence
and
lining
up
that
work,
reviewing
and
assessing
those
outcomes
and
then
feeling
like
we
had
enough
information
to
bring
it
to
council.
So
that
is,
it
is
a
tight
timeline.
C
C
Yes,
so
we've
invested
okay
and
then
we
sounds
like
we
also
have
a
partner
on
this.
I'm
not
sure
if
they're
listening
in
today
and
perhaps
I'll
reach
out
to
them
about
timing,
I'm
a
little
nervous
that
you
are
supposed
to
complete
due
diligence
and
in
fact
move
towards
purchase
before
we
meet
again
and
I'm
not
sure
how
to
handle
that.
Because
it's
pretty
clear
that
this
committee
is
saying
come
back
june
and
that
is,
after
your
date,
of
moving
into
a
contract.
C
G
F
If
we
have
all
the
information-
and
I
I
would
say,
let's
lean
on
that
option-
because
we
we
do
have
that
as
a
privilege,
so.
A
A
C
G
C
Well,
it
sounds
like
janice
just
one.
Second,
I
think
what
we're
talking
about
is
whether
or
not
we
have
time
to
call
a
special
meeting
and
if
the
due
diligence
period
ends
on
the
31st,
then
we
have
about
13
days
to
have
a
special
meeting
that
31st
is
a
monday,
so
basically
we
have
next
week,
I'm
not
opposed
to
this,
and
I
could
meet
next
tuesday.
However,
we
would
need
to
circle
the
wagons
around
staff,
virtual
staff,
production
staff
etc.
C
How
about
I
table
up
this
number
four
topic
until
for
about
30
minutes,
while
we
move
on
and
in
the
background,
perhaps
nikki
kathy,
some
of
you
could
look
at
calendars,
see
if
that's
even
physically
possible
for
us
to
have
a
meeting
one
week
from
today,
a
special
meeting
and
then
circle
back,
and
we
can
follow
up
on
finishing
item
four
when
we
know
that
and
if
councilwoman
mosley
and
vice
mayor
smith
could
also
look
at
their
calendars.
In
that
meantime,
that
would
help.
C
C
B
C
F
I
do
have
I
do
have
a
question,
I'm
wondering
if,
if
we
know,
if
we've
identified
a
funding
source
for
the
soil
conditioning
program,.
I
That
would
happen,
apologies
and
that
would
have
that
would
be
part
of
the
planning
process.
So
the
funding
that
we
expect
really
for
the
future
development
would
need
to
incorporate
a
line
item
for
the
foundations
which
is
effectively
a
part
of
the
would
be
part
of
the
soil
conditioning.
So
that
would
all
be
included
in
a
future
redevelopment
scenario
as
well
as
a
redevelopment
pro
forma,
and
we
do
anticipate
with
the
transit
expansion
that
that
would
also
necessitate
federal
funds
so
that
that
would
be
a
long
ways
off
to
really
identify
that
funding.
A
A
H
F
And
we
don't
have
a
budget
work
session
on
that
day.
Is
that
the
day
that
we
have
a
council
meeting
later
on
that
evening.
A
C
Okay,
either
one
okay,
let's
say
two
o'clock
and
let's
see
the
25th
and
go
ahead
and
cue
that
up
for
public
distribution
agenda
et
cetera.
I
assume
this
will
be
the
only
item
on
the
agenda.
If
something
else
needs
to
be
added,
please
let
me
know
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
it
out
to
the
public
for
input,
comment
et
cetera
and
noticed
sound
good
thanks.
C
D
Yes,
absolutely
and
good
morning,
everybody
again
paul
deangelo
with
community
development.
I
am
having
some
internet
connectivity
issues
so
right
now,
hopefully
I'm
on
screen,
but
I
have
my
backup
if
I
get
kicked
off
nikki
or
a
fellow
teammate.
If
I
get
kicked
off,
please
let
me
know
and
I'll
immediately
hop
on
my
headset,
so
everyone
should
have
this
staff
report
in
front
of
them
and
just
to
give
a
little
background
here.
D
The
city
community
development
community
economic
development
team
has
looked
for
ways
to
produce,
preserve
and
protect
affordable
housing,
as
you
saw
at
the
january
26
work
session,
we're
trying
to
do
our
best
on
that
producing,
affordable
housing,
but
it's
often
come
to
our
attention
on
how
do
we
preserve
and
protect
affordable
housing,
particularly
if
you're
talking
about
naturally
occurring
affordable
housing
apartment
buildings
that
may
be
in
play
for
sale
or
purchase,
and
right
now
what's
happening?
D
Is
there
are
a
lot
of
investment
dollars
that
are
available
for
developers,
property
managers
etc,
who
want
to
purchase
apartment
complexes
or
portfolio
of
apartment
buildings?
What
we've
seen
recently
when
we
get
contacted
about
some
a
property
immediately,
the
next
day,
we'll
usually
get
a
call
that
a
cash
investor
has
come
in
purchase
that
property
no
chance
for
kind
of
partnership
or
anything
regarding
affordability.
D
So,
in
thinking
of
this
with
the
team
and
having
conversations
on
how
best
to
do
this-
and
you
know
how
do
we
actually
get
ahead
of
this
with
the
cash
buyers
and
find
ways
to
partner
with
our
developers,
who
are
still
interested
right
now
with
the
investment
dollars
on
the
street
and
the
possibility
of
social
equity
investors
that
are
also
available
to
add
affordability,
the
city
of
asheville
community
economic
development
team
looked
at
a
way
to
update
our
land
use
and
center
grant,
not
just
for
the
new
construction,
but
also
for
the
purchase
of
a
market
rate
building
that
they
would
be
interested
in
changing
to
some
level
of
affordability.
D
So
that
is
the
item
we've
brought
forward
for
you
today,
so
it
only
took
a
few
changes
to
the
land.
Use
incentive
grant
to
actually
include
a
changing
market
rate
to
a
affordable
mixed
income
community
again
with
the
20
80
20,
where
we're
asking
at
least
20
percent
of
the
units
be
affordable
to
individuals
or
families
at
or
below
80
percent
of
the
area,
meaning
income
for
at
least
20
years.
D
Within
two
years
we
may
even
get
six
to
ten
of
those,
depending
on
the
vacancy
rate,
almost
immediately
versus
waiting
for
new
construction
to
happen,
which
can
often
take
two
to
three
plus
years,
and
so
the
changes
of
note
in
the
policy
simply
have
to
do
with
adding
this
as
an
eligible
use
for
a
land
use
incentive
grant.
D
We
would
just
grant
back
the
tax
value
of
the
building
itself,
not
the
land
value
working
and
looking
at
actual
proformas
trying
to
come
up
with
a
point
conversion
that
actually
worked
for
the
investment
from
the
city,
and
then
I
have
two
discussion
items
there
as
well
that
I
wanted
to
point
out
in
the
policy
itself
number
one.
We
did
make
a
requirement
of
accepting
housing
choice,
vouchers
where
at
least
five
percent
of
the
overall
units
needed
to
be
affordable.
D
So,
as
an
example,
a
hundred
year
department,
complex,
20,
affordable
units,
five
of
them
would
have
to
accept
housing
choice
vouchers.
Is
there
an
opportunity
that
we
would
want
to
change
that
to
50
of
the
affordable
units?
Must
take
housing
choice
vouchers,
so
we
would
be
adding
in
that
additional
request,
also
in
the
in
talking
with
our
equity
and
inclusion
department.
D
D
A
lot
of
the
discussion
happens
around
outreach,
who
are
we
outreaching
to
to
discuss
that
these
units
are
available,
so
we
came
up
with
a
minimum
of
eight
folks
that
we
would
ask
the
developer
to
set
up
meetings
with
where
we
would
be
copied
on,
so
that
we
know
that
they're
reaching
out
to
the
housing
authority
homeward
bound
mountain
housing,
opportunity,
habitat
thrive,
asheville
neighborhood
association
looks
like
I
put
thrive,
asheville
twice,
so
I
must
have
been
having
a
good
day
with
asheville
that
day
and
also
any
churches
within
a
quarter
of
a
mile.
D
So
it
was
our
attempt
on
that
outreach
that,
before
the
units
become
available,
that
they're
outreaching
thoroughly
through
the
community
to
make
sure
that
we're
reaching
folks
in
need
of
affordable
housing,
habitat
might
seem
like
a
strange
choice.
However,
they
might
have
folks
on
their
list
who
aren't
ready
to
purchase
a
home
if
we
can
better
align
their
housing
costs
with
our
overall
income
for
a
couple
years,
give
them
a
chance
to
save
some
down
payment
assistance.
That's
why
we
think
that
could
be
a
possible
win
as
well.
D
So
with
that,
it's
an
opportunity,
I
think,
to
get
affordable,
more
affordable
units
and
more
quickly
budget
wise.
We
do
have
a
budget
for
land
use
incentive
grant.
I
think
looking
at
this,
that
that
the
budget,
when
we
grant
that
funding
back,
could
need
some
additional
funding
at
some
point,
but
that
would
be
a
fiscal
impact
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
D
I
hope
you
all
don't
mind
that
I
steered
a
bit
away
from
the
staff
report,
but
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
holistic
story
here
on
how
this
is
working
in
the
market.
At
the
moment.
C
Paul,
I'm
pretty
excited
about
this.
I
think
you
know
it's
just
last
year
a
developer
that
was
looking
at
asheville
said
to
me.
Well,
you
know,
certainly
it's
easier
to
just
buy
an
apartment.
Complex
is
already
built
and
lower
the
rent,
and
I
thought
man
that's
a
much
faster
way
to
get
affordable
housing.
So
this
is
the
kind
of
opportunity
that
would
create
and
also
on
a
singular
landlord
level.
So
I
appreciate
the
creativity
here.
C
My
questions
are
around
what
happens
when
an
existing
apartment
building
that
is
fully
rented
does
something
like
this
or
even
one
unit.
We
don't.
I
can't
imagine
that
we
would
evict
the
existing
tenant.
So
are
we
trying
to
brainstorm
around
that
income?
Verification
at
termination
of
lee.
D
Thanks
for
noticing
my
panic
there,
kathy
with
my
headset
so
right
now,
if
somebody
purchased
vacancy
rates
in
asheville
right
now
are
about
six
percent.
So
if
somebody
purchased
a
hundred
unit
apartment
complex,
there
could
be
a
good
chance
that
six
units
are
available
right
now.
We
could
immediately
move
in
six
affordable
folks,
no
one
by
any
means
would
be
evicted
out
of
this
apartment,
complex.
D
To
be
clear,
no
evictions
would
happen,
but
through
natural
movement
as
units
became
available,
the
property
owner
the
developer
would
move
in
affordable
units
up
to
that
agreed
20
units
at
a
minimum
that
would
be
affordable
and,
of
course,
all
verified
through
our
compliance
standards
at
the
city
of
asheville.
D
D
And
one
other
discussion
item
that
came
up
just
in
the
last
couple
days,
this
this
past
a
hack
but
always
looking
for
additional
comments.
Was
there
maybe
people
in
the
building
already
that
are
income
qualified,
but
maybe
paying
more
of
a
market
rent
and
their
cost
burdened.
I
think
that
there
could
be
an
opportunity
to
better
align
those
grants
to
make
them
affordable
so
that
again
we're
aligning
household
budget
with
overall
income,
which
is
the
big
goal
of
affordable
housing
and
community
development.
C
C
No
worries
we
can
do
this,
so
I
move
that
we
amend
the
land
use
incentive.
We
recommend
to
council
to
amend
the
land,
use
incentive,
grant
policy,
I'm
going
to
reference
today's
document,
according
to
the
update
provided
today.
C
C
Thank
you
thanks.
I
appreciate
that
all
right
that
completes
item
number
five
back
to
the
agenda
here.
C
Oh
so
I
meant
to
do
this
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
for
a
process
today,
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
we
switch
item
number
six
and
seven
in
order
so
that
we
may
hear
from
brian
and
the
point
in
time
count
before
we
move
to
days
in.
I
don't
think
I
necessarily
need
a
motion
on
that,
but
are
the
two
of
you?
Okay
with
that
committee
members?
That's
fine
with
me!
C
E
Yeah,
that's
right
so
jenna.
If
you
could
bring
up
our
slide
presentation.
That
would
be
great,
please
excellent,
and
you
can
go
ahead
and
jump
to
the
next
slide.
If
you
would
please,
first
of
all
thanks
everybody
for
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
to
chat
about
the
results
of
our
point
in
time,
count
for
2021
going
to
kind
of
cover
this
pretty
quickly.
I
know
we
have
a
really
full
agenda,
so
just
the
basics.
On
the
point.
E
E
As
you
all
know,
the
city
of
asheville
serves
as
the
lead
entity
for
continuing
care
funding
for
asheville
and
buncombe
county.
The
point
in
time
count
information.
We
also
use
it
in
our
consolidated
plan
per
federal
regulation
and
and
it's
a
fairly
standardized
process.
Hud
has
very
specific
ways
that
they
want
communities
to
conduct
these
counts
every
year.
E
E
I
do
want
to
mention
that
that,
because
of
the
pandemic
hud
made
available
to
communities
this
year,
a
waiver
that
would
have
enabled
us
to
skip
the
unsheltered
portion
of
the
count,
but
we
knew
that
the
pandemic
had
had
a
profound
effect
on
our
homeless
population
this
year,
and
so
we
did
not
opt
to
get
a
waiver
and
we
instead
proceeded
and
conducted
what
I
think
was
a
very
successful
unsheltered
count
in
addition
to
the
sheltered
count.
Next
slide,
please.
E
So
what
does
the
point
in
time
count
tell
us.
I
really
can't
overstate
this,
and
I
want
to
thank
our
colleague,
jonathan
jones,
who
originally
came
up
with
this
particular
comparison.
So
the
point
in
time
count
is
exactly
what
it
says.
It
is:
it's
a
snapshot,
it's
a
single
point
in
time
which
it's
a
useful
tool
to
kind
of
monitor
trends
over
a
long
period
of
time
across
the
country,
but
it's
nothing
more
than
that.
So
here
we
have
a
picture
of
a
car.
Well,
it's
a
blue
and
white
car.
E
E
E
It
just
doesn't
tell
us
a
whole
lot
more
other
than
what's
in
the
picture,
so
the
takeaway
for
this
slide
is
that
don't
put
too
much
stock
in
the
point
in
time
count
again,
it's
useful
to
a
degree,
but
it's
certainly
not
the
be-all
and
end-all
for
how
we
create
a
true
data-driven
response
to
homelessness
in
our
community
next
slide.
Please
so
who
gets
counted.
This
is
pretty
straightforward.
E
The
folks
who
meet
the
definition
of
of
homeless
as
the
department
of
housing
and
urban
development
defines
it
and
those
are
folks
who
are
have
a
pr
primary
nighttime
residence.
That's
public
or
private,
not
meant
for
human
habitation,
camping
out.
You
know,
sleeping
under
bridges
in
their
automobiles
or
folks
who
are
living
in
publicly
or
privately
operated,
shelters
that
are
designated
specifically
to
provide
temporary
living
quarters,
and
that
includes
transitional
housing
units
as
well.
So
next
slide,
please
again
how
our
information
is
collected.
It's
pretty
specific.
E
We
follow
hud's
rules,
we
use
best
practices,
we
are
required
to
plan
and
coordinate
and
carry
out
this
locally.
We
use
a
common
survey
instrument
that
captures
the
information
that
hud
wants
us
to
capture
every
year
and
then
all
of
that
data
is
entered
into
the
local
homeless
management
information
system.
So
we
can
de-duplicate
any
any
potential.
Folks
that
you
know
we
might
have
two
sets
of
information
on
so
next
slide.
Please.
E
So
the
sheltered
count,
part
of
it,
it's
pretty
easy.
We
use
data
that
is
already
collected
collected
in
hmis.
E
E
We
use
comparable
data
sources
for
projects
that
are
not
participating
in
hmis,
for
example,
domestic
violence
providers
are
are
not
able
to
participate
in
hmis
by
statute,
so
they
use
a
comparable
system.
We
extract
information
that,
or
they
provide
information
that
they
extract
from
that
system
to
us
and
then
the
data
collection.
E
It
mirrors
the
information
that
we
collect
on
the
common
survey
that
that
we
use
for
the
folks
that
we
are
counting
who
are
unsheltered
so
on
next
slide,
please
so
the
unsheltered
count
emily
and
I
felt
really
good
about
this
year's
unsheltered
count.
Despite
all
the
challenges
that
we
had
related
to
the
pandemic,
we
had
more
than
40
volunteers
this
year,
including
plenty
of
people
who
work
for
the
city
of
asheville.
E
Several
people
that
have
been
part
of
counts
for
the
last
few
years
participated.
We
did
some
changes
this
year
and
how
we
mapped
across
the
county.
I
think
we
did
a
much
better
job
of
that.
We
used
a
variety
of
sources
to
create
that
mapping,
including
information
that
the
police
department
provided
to
us
about
where
they'd
gotten
complaints,
we
got
information
from
our
outreach
teams.
We
got
information
that
that
was
generated
from
citizen
concerns
and
complaints.
E
So
we
we
had
a
very,
very
specific
geographic
mapping
system
and
we
were
better
able
to
deploy
appropriate
amounts
of
volunteers
to
locations
where
we
knew
there
were
going
to
be
hot
spots
again.
You
know
we
do
training
on
this.
Every
year
we
train
folks
who
have
not
participated
previously
on
the
standards,
the
collection
procedures
on
protocols
for
privacy
and
safety
and
security.
E
We
really
work
hard
to
protect
participant
privacy
and
any
the
the
survey
it's
voluntary
and
confidential.
Any
individual
can
opt
out
of
participating
and
and
and
that's
fine-
and
we
anticipate
some
of
that.
So
we
also
used
a
shorter
survey
instrument
this
year,
and
this
was
primarily
to
effectively
limit
the
amount
of
time
that
volunteers
would
spend
with
a
particular
individual
and
decrease
the
the
risk
of
covet
exposure.
So
next
slide,
please
so
the
bottom
line
we
counted
527
people
experiencing
homelessness
this
year.
E
E
We
did
see
again
this
year,
an
increase
in
chronic
homelessness.
E
Our
chronically
homeless
population
comprise
about
29
of
our
overall
homeless
population,
and
this
the
increase
is
largely
attributable
to
the
fact
that
some
people
just
age
into
chronically
homeless
status,
because
we
can't
get
them
housed
quickly
enough,
if
you're
homeless,
for
12
consecutive
months
or
a
total
of
12
consecutive
months
over
four
distinct
periods
in
the
preceding
three
years,
you'll
meet
that
and
you
have
a
qualifying
disability
you'll
meet
that
chronic
homeless
definition,
but
we
have
people
that
sort
of
age
into
that
status
simply
because
they've
been
out
there
for
so
long.
E
We
saw
a
13.8
decrease
in
veteran
homelessness
this
year.
Asheville
is
incredibly
well
resourced.
To
address
veteran
homelessness
with
veterans
administration,
supportive
housing
vouchers,
we
have
an
excellent
va
medical
center
with
a
homeless
services
team
that
is,
is
just
one
of
the
best
ones
in
the
united
states.
We
have
the
veterans,
restoration
quarters
at
abcccm
that
does
a
great
job
with
our
veteran
homeless
population
and
we
have
a
very
functional,
coordinated
entry
system
for
veterans.
So
you
know
that
contributed
to
a
decrease
in
veteran
homelessness.
E
This
year,
as
expected,
we
had
a
pretty
big
jump
in
unsheltered
homelessness,
and
this
shows
just
the
impact
of
the
pandemic
on
homelessness.
E
You
know:
shelters
had
to
decrease
capacity
in
order
to
effectively
implement
social
distancing
within
their
facilities,
and-
and
so
we
anticipated
this
and
and
saw
a
a
pretty
big
jump
in
the
unsheltered
account
you
know,
and
so
the
just
the
visibility
of
our
unsheltered
population
was
a
lot
more
acute
this
year,
and
I
think
we're
all
understand
that
and
are
aware
of
that
we
did
see
another
a
jump
in
youth
homelessness.
This
year,
you
know
again
just
facilities.
E
You
know
decreasing
capacity,
had
something
to
do
with
that,
but
that
was
a
big
jump.
You
know
we,
basically
we
had
15
folks
last
year
and
29.
You
know,
folks
that
they
were
in
the
youth
category
this
year.
So
that's
a
big
jump
in
a
single
year.
E
Traditionally,
youth
and
family
homelessness
has
been
less
than
10
percent
of
our
overall
homeless
population.
We
did
see
a
decrease
in
family
homelessness.
This
year
it
was
70
families.
Last
year
it
was
down
to
53
this
year.
So
you
know
that's
a
you
know,
that's
certainly
a
a
an
improvement,
but
fortunately
for
asheville,
youth
and
family
homelessness
is
not
comprised
of
a
large
percentage
of
our
overall
homeless.
Pile
on
next
live
leads.
E
So,
let's
talk
about
the
elephant
in
the
room
here,
so
30
of
people
identified
in
the
2021
homeless
point
in
time
count
were
black
indigenous
and
people
of
color.
That
number
has
been
pretty
static
over
the
last
10
or
12
or
14
years.
It's
it's
pretty
much
the
same
all
over
the
united
states
of
america.
E
People
of
color
are
disproportionately
represented
in
our
homeless.
Population.
Asheville
is
no
exception
again
that
30
percent
number
it's
it's
been.
It's
been
pretty
much
the
same
in
asheville
for
a
lot
of
years,
so
I
would
certainly
assert
that
any
investment
that
we
make
in
permanent
housing
for
people
experiencing
homelessness
advances
the
city's
equity
objectives.
E
There's
no
question
that
that
we
we
have
a
population
that
is
disproportionately
affected
by
by
homelessness
and
and
to
advance
our
equity
objectives.
It's
really
important
that
we
keep
this
number
in
mind
next
slide.
Please
excuse.
E
We
do,
and
I
can
certainly
get
that
to
you.
I
don't
have
it
at
hand
now,
but
in
the
data
that
we
submitted
to
hud
it's
the
demographic
detail
is
broken
down
even
further.
I
think
emily
may
be
back
on
the
call
now
emily
if
you've
got
any
specific
information
on
that
you
want
to
share,
but
we're
happy
to
dig
down
deeper
into
that
and
get
that
information
to
you
sure.
B
E
E
It
demonstrates
that
we
have
some
really
strong
community
partners
homeward
bound,
you
know,
being
at
the
forefront,
focused
on
housing,
our
chronically
homeless
population,
they're,
really
great
at
getting
people
housed
and
keeping
them
housed.
E
E
These
numbers
aren't
going
to
change
much
the
thing
that
we're
missing
is
enough:
permanent
supportive
housing
units
to
really
put
a
dent
in
that.
So
you
know
just
again
the
the
need
to
address
the
the
housing
component
of
this
is
really
critical,
and
I
heard
norm
suchar,
who
is
the
director
of
the
special
needs,
assistance
programs
at
the
department
of
housing
and
urban
development,
say
very
specifically
on
more
than
one
occasion
over
the
last
year.
E
F
Brian,
I
have
a
question.
You
bought
a
homework
ban,
so
I
just
wanted
to
ask
my
question
that
homer
bound
has
another
list
count
and
it's
called
by
name
list.
I'm
wondering
how
that
count
is
different
from
this.
Do
you
all
coordinate
data
and
re?
I
mean
and
outreach.
E
Yeah
that
that
that
data
is
included
in
the
point
in
time
count.
The
most
recent
number
I
have
on
our
our
by
name
list
was
206.
E
emily.
Is
that
about
right?
Still,
yes,
yep!
So
so
did
you
want
to
add
anything
on
the
demographic
breakdown
before
I
wrap
up,
wrap
things
up
for
us,
emily.
B
Yes,
so
we
have,
24
percent
of
folks
were
counted
as
black
or
african
american
four
percent,
multiple
races,
and
then
I
don't.
I
didn't
do
percentages
on
these,
but
we
have
one
asian
person:
eight
people
who
are
american,
indian
or
alaska,
native
and
two
native
hawaiian
or
other
pacific
islander.
B
B
Sorry
so
24,
black
or
african
american
four
percent,
multiple
races.
C
Sorry
question
for
you:
the
point
in
time:
count
trends
chart
back
one
slide.
I
have
been
learning
as
much
as
I
can
about
houselessness
in
recent
years
and
I've
known
that
there
was
an
initiative
before
our
time,
a
10-year
program
and
what
did
that
run
like
2006
to
2016
or
so
does
anybody
remember.
C
It
was
like
a
10
years
to
end
homelessness
kind
of
initiative.
You
know
one
thing:
is
we
look
at
how
to
quote-unquote
solve
for
these
issues?
That
would
help
is,
when
I
see
this
data
in
a
chart
like
this
understanding
what
may
have
triggered
certain
movement
in
those
years
like
a
study
or
the
funding
allocated
that
particular
year
or
a
new,
a
series
of
beds
open
something
that
can
help
me
understand
the
trends
more
than
just
the
numbers,
if
that's
possible,.
E
Yeah
sure
I
think
we
could
we
can
dig
down
into
that
and
there
and
there
may
be
some
information
that
sheds
light
on
that.
In
you
know,
prior
year,
staff
reports
and-
and
you
know,
information
that
that
that
we
shared
with
with
council
and
with
the
homeless
initiative
advisory
committee,
but
I'm
I'm
happy
to
do
a
deeper
dive
and
see
if
there's
anything
in
there,
that
you
know
the
the
some
of
some
things
that
are
really
basic
that
affect
it
year
over
year
is
like
if
it's
a
really
really
really
cold
night.
C
Their
services,
which
improved
those
numbers
and
to
councilwoman
mosley's
point
you
know
perhaps
moving
forward.
We
also
add
the
detailed
demographics
too,
so
that
we're
telling
a
better
story.
I
think
it's
great
to
have
data
and
the
story
with
it
would
be
great.
C
E
E
We
compete
with
406
continue
of
care
across
the
country
for
this
funding
every
year,
and
so
they
look
at
our
overall
system
performance
measures.
They're
looking
at
things
like
the
number
of
people
who
experience
homelessness
for
the
first
time,
the
number
of
people
who
get
housing
and
keep
housing
the
length
of
time
people
speak,
spend
homeless,
they
look
at
increases
in
income
once
people
do
get
housed
and
and
they
look
at
the
at
the
number
of
people
who
return
to
homelessness
after
they've
been
housed.
E
These
are
the
measures
that
hud
grades,
our
entire
community,
on
not
just
continuum
of
care,
funded
agencies,
but
these
these
system
performance
measures
are
are
really
you
know
critical,
and
the
bottom
line
here
is
that
housing
ends
homelessness.
Yeah,
I
think
everybody
across
the
community,
albeit
for
different
reasons,
agrees
that
we
don't
want
to
see
homelessness
at
all.
You
know
it
depends
on
who
you
talk
to
what
their
reasons
may
be,
but
we
want.
We
really
want
to
end
homelessness.
E
We
have
a
synergy
here
with
a
lot
of
federal
resources
coming
down
the
pike,
some
projects
that
are
already
in
the
works
here-
and
we
really
do
have
it
within
our
grasp
right
now
to
end
chronic
homelessness
in
in
asheville.
But
the
only
way
we're
going
to
do
that
is
to
aggressively
support
the
development
of
more
permanent
supportive
housing
opportunities.
So
I'm
happy
to
entertain
any
other
questions.
C
C
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
brian,
and
thanks
again,
thanks
for
being
here
and
thanks
emily
for
chiming
in
and
digging
up
that
information.
Real,
quick
and
I
see
mayor
switzer
has
joined
us
and
we
are
moving
on
to
well
back
to
item
six,
which
is
homeward
bound
days
in
purchase
and
grant
request,
and
we
have
meredith
schweitzer
here,
who
is
the
executive
director
of
homeward
bound?
Thank
you
for
being
here
meredith
and
before
we
even
start
just
a
big
thank
you
to
all
for
you
and
your
staff,
and
all
you
have
done
this
year.
K
Thank
you
so
much
so
as
just
a
matter
of
of
process,
did
you
want
me
to
go
ahead
and
just
give
an
overview
of
the
project
and
then
allow
paul
to
talk
more
in
depth
about
it?
How
would
you
like
this
to,
I
think,
it'd,
be.
C
K
K
Just
a
very
brief
mention
of
our
mission
at
homeward
bound.
Our
mission
is
to
prevent
and
end
homelessness
through
permanent
housing
and
support,
and
we
have
been
working
really
hard
in
all
of
all
of
the
areas
around
homeless
services
and
housing.
Of
course,
as
brian
mentioned
a
little
while
ago,
we
believe,
like
brian
and
and
like
all
of
you,
that
the
way
to
end
homelessness
is
to
provide
housing
and
housing
solutions,
bound
works
with
primarily
with
those
who
have
the
highest
needs.
K
But
what
I
want
to
specifically
talk
today
about
is
the
project
that
I
think
is
going
to
be
a
game
changer
for
those
who
need
permanent,
supportive
housing,
and
that
is
the
day's
end
project
again
at
201
tunnel
road
and
we,
as
an
agency,
have
been
looking
for
three
to
four
years
for
a
site
for
this
project.
This
has
been
a
vision
and
a
dream
of
ours.
Again.
For
many
years
we
have
looked
at
parcels
of
land.
K
We
have
looked
at
existing
structures
and
when
covet
hit,
even
though
it
was
devastating
to
our
community
on
so
many
levels.
K
Obviously,
in
a
hospitality,
driven
economy,
hotels,
especially
early
on
in
covid,
were
really
impacted
by
the
work
or
excuse
me
the
impact
of
covid,
because
if
you
can't
travel-
and
you
can't
gather-
then
hotels
can't
host
you,
and
so
we
recognize,
because
of
the
economic
impact,
to
the
specific
hotel
that
we
ended
up,
choosing
allowed
us
to
make
to
make
that
offer.
It
was
an
affordable
option
that
was
not
available
to
us
before
and
it
felt
very
it
felt
more
socially
responsible
than
building
a
new
structure.
K
Taking
an
exists,
existing
property
building
it
out.
We
also
recognize
the
timeline
would
be
faster.
What's
really
exciting
about
this
property
as
well.
Is
that
it's
located
on
almost
three
acres,
so
it
has
some
green
space
and,
as
you
know,
green
space
is
important
to
our
mental
health,
our
physical
health,
and
we
wanted
that
to
be
an
integral
part
of
this
development
and,
as
you
can
see,
paul
is,
or
someone
thank
you,
it
looks
like
paul
is-
has
shared
the
presentation.
K
This
is
the
the
site.
Again,
it's
an
existing
hotel,
it's
actually
still
operating,
so
they
have
not
closed
the
hotel.
We
went
under
contract
in
october
of
2020
and
we
have
been
conducting
due
diligence
since
that
time
very
actively.
I
can
tell
you
that
we
have
about
four
committees
that
meet
around
this
project,
as
it
relates
to
various
aspects
of
the
project.
We
have
a
property
committee
and
a
subcommittee
that
is
focused
solely
on
the
design
of
this
property
and
how
we
want
to
repurpose
it.
K
I
mentioned
the
fact
that
there
will
be
green
space.
It
will
also
have
on-site
security
24
hours
a
day
seven
days
a
week,
on-site
case
management,
what's
really
unique
about
this
particular
project,
is
that
we
don't
have
anything
like
this
in
our
community.
At
this
point,
there
are
certainly
other
models
across
the
country.
K
There
is
a
model
in
charlotte.
You
may
have
heard
of
moore
place,
which
is
run
by
urban
or
previously
run
by
urban
ministries.
K
I
believe
they
have
a
new
name
now,
but
we
have
a
very
close
partnership
with
them
and
we
luckily
have
been
able
to
benchmark
against
the
moore
place
project
and
they
are
also.
Their
agency
is
also
about
six
months
ahead
of
us
on
a
hotel
conversion,
just
like
our
hotel
conversion.
So
we've
been
able
to
benefit
from
what
they've
learned
in
the
process
and,
of
course,
the
fact
that
they
are
a
little
bit
ahead
of
us
in
terms
of
the
timeline.
K
What's
also
exciting,
is
that
they're
using
the
same
development
partner,
mckibben
places,
so
it's
made
our
process
much
easier.
We
don't
have
to
dedicate
quite
as
much
time
in
some
of
the
conversations,
because
they've
already
figured
out
a
lot
of
the
details
for
us,
which
again
has
really
benefited
us.
K
We
have
a
capital
campaign
consultant
that
we
are
working
with
and
have
been
working
with
for
about
five
months
now,
sims
and
steele,
who
is
well
versed
in
this
work
and,
more
importantly,
raising
significant
dollars
for
impactful
projects
like
this
and
how
they
are
going
to
change
the
landscape
of
a
community.
K
We
are
also
working
with
real
estate
consultant
john
spake,
and
our
design
partner
is
row
house,
architects
and
they've
helped
create
the
renderings
that
we
have
to
date.
We
will
continue
working
with
them
as
we
get
once.
We've
acquired
the
property
which
we
are
hoping
will
be
in
july.
We
are
targeting
july
as
the
month
to
close
on
the
property.
K
We
will
very
quickly
begin
working
more
closely
with
our
architects
to
really
get
down
to
the
finer
details
of
the
project.
I
know
I
just
gave
quite
an
overview
of
of
what
that
project
is
like
again.
I
know
many
of
you
have
been
to
the
site
and
you've
had
a
chance
to
receive
a
copy
of
this
presentation,
but
I
would
love
to
to
either
turn
it
over
to
paul
or
entertain
any
questions
whatever
you
all
would
prefer
to
do.
Next,.
C
Sure
and
thank
you
meredith
great
job
and
exciting
partnerships.
Just
bravo,
okay,
so
we're
looking
at
an
estimated
schedule
here.
Oh
we're
moving
around.
C
There
we
go
okay,
paul
did
you
have
anything
you
wanted
to
add
from
the
staff
report
side
or
do
you
want
us
to
go
into
questions
and
comments.
D
I
think
everyone
should
have
the
staff
report
in
front
of
them.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
The
presentation
is
linked
to
the
staff
report
for
city
management
and
council
for
any
questions
that
they
might
have,
or
the
public
right
now,
they're.
Looking
for
a
two
million
dollar
investment
into
this
project
for
acquisition
recommended
by
city
staff
and
just
very
excited
to
see
permanent
support
of
housing
in
this
scale
to
be
a
part
of
the
solution
towards
homelessness,
which
is
housing.
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Okay,.
H
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
hard
work
and
dedication,
and
in
case
we
don't
have
the
opportunity
or
you
don't
come
before
us
before
august.
I
wish
you
the
very
best
in
your
future
endeavors.
C
That's
funny,
okay,
so
I
had
a
question.
Meredith
are
you?
I
think
I'd
asked
you
this
before
when
I
did
a
tour
of
the
site,
so
maybe
repetitive
but
great
for
the
public
when
this
happens
and
gets
open,
it
won't
just
be
like
you,
take
everyone
in
right
away,
right,
it'll,
be
stages
and
moving
and
you're
gonna
update
the
space
to
include
the
wraparound
services.
C
My
question
is:
is
there
a
way
to
move
swifter
through
this
process,
and
I
say
that
I
know
respectfully.
This
is
a
huge
leap
for
your
organization.
When
I
toured
it,
I
was
thinking
okay.
This
is
great.
It's
already
furnished.
I
know
you
want
to
update
some
things.
You
need
the
wraparound
services
and
the
conference
rooms
and
your
offices
to
relocate,
but
since
you're
going
to
be
staging
people
incoming
I'm
wondering
if
the
renovations
could
be
staged
and
all
to
say,
can
we
get
folks
in
here
before
it's
cold?
It's
winter.
K
That's
a
great
question
we
have.
The
plan
has
been
to
complete
all
of
the
renovations
before
we
move
peop
people
in
because
recognizing
we
want
to
have
a
stable
community
and
we
want
to
do
it
in
phases,
but
we
also
want
to
make
sure
everything's
ready
to
receive
residents.
But
that's
certainly
we
can
continue
talking
about,
as
you
know,
renovations
take
a
while.
K
Unfortunately,
we
can't
you
know,
we
can't
just
close
on
the
hotel
in
july
and
then
start
moving
people
in,
but
we
can
certainly
look
at
the
design
and
the
timeline
for
that.
What
we
are
projecting
is
that
we
would
begin
just
the
renovation
phase
of
our
capital
campaign
and
then
the
work
itself
and
then
be
ready
to
move
our
first
clients
and
residents
in
by
the
end
of
2022,
but
I
certainly
think
that
we
can
continue
having
conversations.
K
Obviously,
once
once
we
own
the
property.
We
have
a
lot
more
flexibility
in
determining
some
of
the
answers
to
those
questions
being
able
to
be
on
site
and
have
more
control
in
terms
of
how
we
are
addressing
this
project.
C
That's
great,
thank
you,
and
I
know
the
entire
construction
industry
is
a
little
crazy
right
now,
as
we
are
in
a
housing
boom
and
it's
hard
to
get
labor
and
things
are
taking
longer.
I
can
certainly
understand
that.
I
just
wanted
to
encourage
us
to
help
people
as
fast
as
we
can
right
so
and
it
looks
like
I
wasn't
able
to
open
the
htf
link
at
the
bottom
of
the
staff
report.
C
Paul
it
has
a
access
denied,
so
I'm
not
sure
the
context
of
that
or
what
that
ask
is,
but
it
does
look
like
meredith.
You
were
trying
to
raise
approximately
another
7
million
for
the
upfit,
and
today
we
were
talking
about
a
2
million
grant
from
the
city
to
be
one
of
the
strategic
partners
towards
purchasing
the
land
at
a
cost
of
6.5,
just
in
case
that
wasn't
clear
for
the
public.
C
No
question:
that's
great.
This
is
a
really
exciting
project.
Thank
you
for
being
here
today
to
share
it
with
us
and
for
all,
you
all
are
doing
to
brainstorm
ways
to
continue
to
help
our
most
vulnerable
populations.
You
know
it's
not
lost
on
me
that
we
just
heard
we
have
about
an
average
of
80
to
90
people
that
are
unsheltered
year
over
year
over
year,
and
here
you
are
with
potentially
85
rooms.
So
it's
it's
a
perfect
balance
in
our
needs
right
now,
so
I
certainly
appreciate
it
and
I'm
willing
to
make
a
motion.
C
I
think
we
have
a
second
motion
here.
I
moved
to
authorize
the
city
manager
to
negotiate
and
enter
into
a
grant
agreement
with
homeward
bound
in
the
amount
of
two
million
dollars
I'll.
Second,
thank
you
antoinette
and
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Vice
mayor
smith,
hi,
councilwoman
mosley,
I
myself,
sage
turner
hi.
C
C
C
No
one
in
the
queue
imagine
that
all
right,
so
we
will
get
hard
to
work.
I
will
work
with
staff
to
prepare
for
our
next
week's
special
meeting,
again
I'll
request
that
if
you
have
any
particulars
or
datum
that
you
would
like
to
get
that
to
us
quickly,
so
we
can
get
working
on
that
and
other
than
that.
I
believe
we
are
adjourned.