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A
Alrighty
everybody
we
are
live.
Thank
you
and
good
morning,
everyone,
I'm
chair
sage,
turner,
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
june
21st
housing
and
community
development
committee
meeting.
All
council
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today
welcome
happy
tuesday
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website.
A
A
A
As
a
general
reminder,
please
keep
on
mute
unless
needing
to
speak
or
answer
your
question.
You
can
raise
your
hand
virtually
or
visually,
and
I
will
see
you
and
queue
you
up
all
right
and
also
please
those
of
you
joining
us
today.
Please
refrain
from
using
the
chat
function.
We
can't
always
see
it
end.
A
It's
kind
of
been
a
little
distracting,
so
please
just
don't
use
the
chat
right
now,
I'm
going
to
go
through
a
roll
call
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
and
staff
who
are
participating
virtually
today,
council
and
staff.
As
I
call
your
name,
please
give
us
a
quick
hello.
Vice
mayor
shanika
smith,
good
morning,
councilwoman
antoinette
wesley
good
morning,
city
manager,
deborah
campbell
good
morning,
assistant
city
manager,
is
back
with
us.
Rachel
wood
good
morning.
A
A
Good
morning,
good
morning
and
affordable
housing
officer
happy
to
say
that
ahead
of
sasha's
name,
affordable
housing,
officer,
sasha
vertinsky
good
morning,
all
right,
thank
you,
everyone,
so,
for
those
of
you,
following
at
home,
we're
listening
online
we're
going
to
move
to
section
one
of
the
agenda,
which
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
We
had
some
act
to
pack
it
anybody
have
questions,
concerns
or
changes,
and,
if
not
may
I
get
a
motion.
C
A
Thank
you,
I'm
gonna
do
a
roll
call,
though
vice
mayor
smith,
hi,
councilwoman
mosley,
I
and
myself,
I
so
the
minutes
have
been
approved
and
we're
going
to
move
right
on
into
item
number
two:
the
land
use
incentive
grant
for
221,
long
shoals,
road,
millstone
management
and
I
believe
sasha.
Are
you
kicking
this
off
for
us
great
go
ahead?
Thank
you.
D
Or
I
can
do
that
if
she
might
have
stepped
away.
Oh
there,
we
go
okay,
thanks,
katie,
yes,
so
this
is
a
land
use
incentive
grant
request
for
2221
long
trolls
road.
D
So
the
project
is
for
186
apartments
total,
and
so
they
are
committing
37
apartments
or
20
to
be
affordable
for
20
years
at
80
or
below
they're,
also
bringing
some
other
benefits
which
I'll
go
through
in
the
coming
up,
slides
and
in
their
point
total
they
qualify
for
17
points
or
sorry
17
years
of
taxes
paid
or
85
points.
Next,
this
is
an
all
housing
project.
So
it's
not
a
mixed-use
project.
D
It's
just
north
of
lake
julian
I'll
show
you
that
in
a
second
and
as
I
said,
37
affordable
units,
the
site
is
about
5.3
acres.
They
are
estimating
the
taxable
the
taxable
value
after
construction,
around
3.1
million
and
the
unit
mix
for
the
affordable
units
is
18,
one-bedroom
units
and
19
studio
units
and
the
units.
Accepting
vouchers
will
be
the
one
bedroom
units
in
one
studio.
D
Next
and
so
here's
the
location,
this
same
developer
brought
a
project
to
you
all.
It's
66
long
shoals
so
not
far
away.
This
is
within
a-
and
I
guess
I'll
say
this
in
a
minute,
but
it's
it's
pretty
well
located.
It's
very
close
to
tc
robertson.
You
can
see
there
in
the
top
right,
it's
pretty
close
to
ingles
and
other
community
amenities
and
and
within
a
mile
of
the
town's
biltmore
town
square.
D
So
for
points
they
get
20
points
for
the
20
affordable.
They
get
another
five
points
for
10
rental
assistance,
and
so
what
that
means
is
you
know,
10
of
all
total
units
will
accept
rental
assistance,
so
beyond
housing
choice,
vouchers
that
could
be
the
veteran
assistance
vouchers
that
could
be
the
hopewa,
which
is
for
folks
with
aids
vouchers.
You
know,
there's
different
kinds
of
voucher
programs.
D
They
are
proposing
to
house
someone
from
the
homeless
by
name
list
for
five
points.
As
I
said,
they're
in
a
pretty
good
location,
biltmore
town
center
is
called
out
in
the
policy
as
a
job
center
they're
within
a
half
mile
of
you
know,
ingles
and
high
school
middle
school.
D
There
might
even
be,
I
think,
there's
a
intermediate
school,
maybe
even
an
elementary
school
right
there,
energy
efficiency,
they're,
proposing
solar
panels
universal
design
and
they
are
building
in
a
non-qualified
census
tract
and
so
for
folks,
who
may
not
know,
especially
in
the
public,
who
might
not
know
what
that
means
is
they're
building
somewhere,
where
affordable
housing
isn't
usually
built
like
the
the
pover.
The
income,
you
know,
is
a
little
bit
higher
here.
So
it's
a
great
location
to
have
more
mixed
income
so
for
a
total
of
85
points.
D
A
Sasha,
may
I
ask
you
a
question
real
quick
about
that
slide
sure
so
you
mentioned
the
second
bullet
point:
10
rental
assistance.
Do
you
have
any
idea
of
the
targets
of
some
of
those
programs?
Is
there
a
range
that
we
can
identify?
Is
it
30
to
60
ami
or
any.
A
D
Next,
oh
so
vouchers,
so
the
you
know
the
vash,
which
is
the
veterans,
assistance
vouchers
and
the
hopewa.
They
don't
necessarily
always
target
these
lower
incomes
because
they're
going
after
specific
populations,
but
obviously
those
folks
need
housing
so,
but
the
housing
choice
vouchers
is
50
ami
below
generally
speaking,
and
so
you
know,
the
household
is
still
paying
30
of
their
income.
The
voucher
makes
up
the
difference
and
those
voucher
rates
are
really
good.
So
it's
you
know
the
the
landlord
is
not
really
it's
not
a
loss
for
them.
D
You
know,
there's
always
some
hesitancy
around
vouchers
and
thrive,
as
we
all
know,
has
been
working
really
hard
to
work
against
that
and
get
more
landlords
to
accept
vouchers.
I
looked
from
their
data
that
they
gave
me.
There
are
currently
100
folks,
looking
for
with
vouchers
looking
for
units,
there
were
another
86
vouchers
that
weren't
assigned
so
just
kind
of
out
there
not
a
sign
so
about
186,
total
vouchers.
I
think
that
aren't
being
used,
but
100
households
really
looking
and
that's
that
date
is
from
april
2022..
A
No,
I
was
thinking
back
to
when
mr
nash
was
there
and
he
mentioned
the
number
2100
and
that
must
be
the
waiting
list
to
get
into
housing,
not
the
voucher
wait
list,
but
there
I,
I
remember
him.
Just
a
couple
months
ago
saying
there
were
2
100
people
waiting
to
be
able
to
be
housed.
So
this
just
a
little
extra
data.
Okay,.
D
Yeah,
and
so
as
I've
heard,
it
said,
I
remember
paul,
saying
this
to
me
as
well.
You
know
when
somebody
finds
a
unit
for
a
voucher
they
get
housed,
but
it
also
frees
up
a
unit
behind
them
in
public
housing,
so
we're
actually
helping
two
households
through
that
process.
D
Next,
so
just
some
of
the
specifics
and
the
finances
this
this
slide
is
a
lot.
I
should
probably
break
this
up
for
you,
I'm
sorry.
So
currently
they
are
paying
around
13
500
every
year
in
property
taxes
on
vacant
land
under
their
3.14
million
post
completion
value,
the
annual
city
tax
value
would
be
126
000.,
so
the
difference
is
113
000,
so
that
would
be
the
grant
they
would
be
given
every
year
for
those
17
years.
D
When
you
total
that
up
it's,
you
know,
1.9
million,
and
then
the
subsidy
is
around
close
to
52
000
per
unit,
which
is
below
our
80
000
policy
limit
and
then,
after
after
year
17
we
would
start.
You
know
seeing
those
benefits
back
into
the
city
tax
coffers.
D
D
Sure
so
there
are
a
couple
of
lists,
but
there
there
is
a
list
of
folks
and
emily
is
much
better
talking
about
this
than
I
am,
but
there's
a
list
of
folks
who
are
identified,
who
need
housing
and
that's
it's
a
range
of
folks.
So
there's
some
folks
with
a
lot
of
needs
that
need
to
be
met
and
there's
some
folks
that
would
you
know
that
are
a
little
bit
more
ready
for
just
to
be
in
a
kind
of
a
place
like
this.
D
And
so
the
idea
is
that
when
somebody
has
a
unit
they
start
working
with
the
service
provider.
I
feel
like
it's
homeward
bound
holding
that
list
and
finding
the
right
fit
for
the
person
so
that
you
know
the
placement
is
successful
for
everybody
that
it's
a
good,
it's
a
good
fit
so
that
we're
not
you
know
having
problems
so.
A
I
have
one
comment,
and
I
know
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
more
in
the
near
future
about
you
know
maybe
reviewing
our
luigi
policy
and
stuff,
but
one
thing
that
took
out
stood
out
for
me
in
this
is
the
18
one
bedroom
and
19
studio
apartments
as
opposed
to
any
two
bedroom
or
three
bedroom
units,
and
I'm
just
highlighting
that
because
I
know
we
continue
to
see
studies
that
say.
A
Efficiency
in
one
bedroom
are
the
highest
need,
but
it
also
when
we're
not
creating
any
two-bedroom
units,
we're
kind
of
we're,
just
not
bolstering
family
sizes
or
any
kind
of
larger
family
unit
that
might
need
more
than
one
bedroom,
and
I
just
kind
of
want
to
flag
that
I
know,
maybe,
when
we
review
policy
that
can
come
up,
but
other
than
that.
I
don't
have
any
questions
or
concerns
about
this,
and
if
you
all
don't
we
can
move
right
through
it.
B
C
A
Great
I'm
gonna
move
this
to
a
roll
call
vote.
Vice
mayor
smith,
hi,
councilwoman
mosley,
I
myself,
I
all
right
well,
thank
you
for
the
clear,
thorough
explanation.
Sasha
derek
thank
you
for
being
here,
and
this
item
has
been
completed
for
those
of
you
listening
at
home,
we're
going
to
move
on
to
the
next
agenda
item,
which
is
number
one.
C
After
question,
okay
go
ahead
and
became
late,
so
since
we're
we're
serving
such
a
high
needs
population,
what
does
transportation
look
like
when
loan
shows.
D
So
there
is
one
bus,
it's
the
s6
and
it's
not
great
I'll,
be
honest
with
you.
So
it's
right
now
that
frequency
is
over
an
hour.
The
plan
is
to
get
it
to
45
minute
frequency
there.
D
C
Okay,
I
just
wanted
to
know,
because
it
seems
like
those
two
populations
of
people
homeless
by
name
and
our
veterans.
They
would
probably
need
a
lot
of
services,
so
just
wondering
what
the
transportation
time
from
that
area
into
town
or
to
their
service
provider
would
look
like,
since
frequency
is
low.
D
A
G
G
A
G
And
I
I
can't
there
you
go
okay,
perfect,
thank
you
katie.
So,
as
I
was
mentioning
the
grant,
will
the
scope
of
the
grant
program
is
to
address
the
opportunity
gap
for
school-aged
youth
with
the
simplified
application
and
reporting
process
based
on
feedback
received
from
today?
If
we
do
get
direction
to
move
forward,
we
will
advertise
those
applications
for
the
pilot
grant
program,
starting
tomorrow
june
22nd
through
july
12th.
G
We
will
hear
presentations
from
applicant
agencies
on
july
14th,
very
much
mirroring
the
process
that
we
followed
for
arpa
funding,
and
then
we
will
bring
back
recommendations
on
july
19th
from
the
evaluation
committee
get
some
feedback
from
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
on
if
there
are
any
changes
that
are
being
recommended
and
then
ultimately
go
to
city
council
on
july
26
for
their
consideration
of
grant
award
staff
is
incorporating
lessons
learned
throughout
the
pilot
into
a
longer
term
program.
G
G
So
sure,
so
let
let
me
pull
it
up
katie
if.
G
G
Right,
so
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
pilot
itself,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
key
takeaways,
the
scope
has
been
narrowed
to
address
the
impacts
of
the
opportunity
gap
specifically
for
school-age
children
and
for
programming,
that's
both
in
and
out
of
the
classroom.
G
Previous
iterations,
as
we
were
looking
at
how
we
could
potentially
retool
the
strategic
partnership
program.
We
just
discussed
potentially
establishing
a
a
way
of
building
capacity
for
agencies
to
potentially
be
ready
for
potential,
cdbg
or
other
federal
funding,
and
some
of
the
feedback
we
got
was
that
makes
the
application
process
a
little
bit
too
administratively
burdensome
for
agencies.
G
So,
for
the
purposes
of
this
pilot,
we
are
not
intending
to
build
capacity
with
agencies
or
mirror
any
sort
of
federal
funding
requirements,
and
so,
as
a
result
of
reducing
that
requirement,
that
was
previously
discussed.
It's
a
much
simpler
application
form
and
much
simpler,
much
more
simplified
reporting
requirements.
We
will
want
to
get
some
feedback
from
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
on
long
term.
G
If
you
want
us
to
look
at
having
some
capacity
building
for
agencies
but
for
the
proposed
pilot
program,
it
is
not
intended
to
build
that
capacity
or
mirror
any
sort
of
federal
process.
So,
as
you
can
see
in
the
attached
application
form
that
we're
proposing.
This
is
a
really
simple
process
that
we're
looking
at
for
the
pilot
grant
itself.
G
So
in
terms
of
kind
of
the
basic
requirements
that
we're
looking
for
the
applications
that
we're
proposing
to
fund
would
be
a
minimum
of
twenty
thousand
dollars
per
agency
and
we're
looking
at
using
half
of
the
available
fund
balance.
So
our
current
fund
balance
is
seven
hundred
and
eleven
thousand
dollars
for
strategic
partnership
funds,
starting
at
the
beginning
of
fiscal
year
2023,
and
we're
looking
at
making
355
500
of
that
available
to
agencies
that
submit
applications
for
the
grant
program.
G
So
just
a
quick
overview
of
the
timeline
for
this
proposed
pilot.
We
did
send
notifications
to
about
75
agencies
on
june,
letting
them
know
that
we're
going
to
be
making
today's
presentation
to
housing
and
community
development
and
also
letting
them
know
that
this
funding
opportunity
was
going
to
be
available.
So
that
went
out
early
last
week
today
we're
seeking
feedback
from
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
on
anything.
G
We
would
come
back
with
recommendations
from
the
evaluation
committee
discuss
scoring
from
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
and
ultimately
make
recommendations
on
which
agency
should
receive
funding
and
then
present
that
to
city
council
for
their
consideration
on
july
26th.
So
again,
we're
looking
at
making
sure
that
these
grants
have
a
have
a
big
enough
impact
in
the
community
and
are
not
too
administratively
burdensome
on
staff.
G
So
getting
a
little
more
detailed
on
that
evaluation
criteria,
we
selected
three
key
areas
from
that
opportunity
toolkit
for
this
pilot
program.
So
a
lot
of
great
work
has
taken
place
over
the
last
two
years
with
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion,
as
well
as
stakeholder
engagement.
And
so
we
wanted
to
use
that
great
work.
G
So
that
includes
family
and
support
networks,
social
integration
and
support
systems,
community
engagement,
discrimination
and
stressors,
and
then
also
looking
at
the
neighborhood
and
physical
environment,
housing,
transportation,
access
to
parks
and
walkability
safety,
and
then
zip
code
and
geography.
So
those
are
going
to
be
some
of
the
key
areas
as
we're
developing
that
scoring
criteria
that
we'll
be
looking
at
as
we're
scoring
applicant
agencies.
F
All
right,
thank
you
rachel,
so
for
our
long-term
revisions
to
the
strategic
partnership
program.
We
will
obviously
be
looking
closely
at
this
pilot
program
through
the
entire
process
and
determine
whether
we
need
to
further
narrow
the
scope
of
these
funds.
F
So
we,
you
know,
we
want
to
keep
the
emphasis
on
addressing
the
impacts
of
the
opportunity
gap,
but
we'll
we'll
reevaluate
and
see
whether
we
want
to
further
refine
that
scope.
F
We
also
want
to
make
sure
we
are
impacting
our
key
populations,
so
whether
we
need
to
make
any
revisions
to
increase
that
impact,
so
we'll
be
looking
at
those
evaluation
criteria,
both
through
the
application
process
and
in
the
award
agreement
and
follow-up
process,
so
we'll
prioritize
outcomes
and
impact
and
based
on
the
pilot
refine
those
as
needed,
we'll
receive
feedback
from
applicants
and
grantees
and
further
determine
whether
we
need
to
produce
or
change
any
administrative
barriers
for
the
organizations
and
determine
whether
we
need
to
increase
the
award
minimums
or
whether
they
are
good
as
we've
set
them
in
the
pilot
and
then
we'll
continue
to
monitor
and
adjust.
F
Please
and
here's
the
rough
outline
for
this
longer
term
revision
so
through
the
fall
and
the
winter
of
2022,
so
that
the
remainder
of
this
year
we'll
do
that
program
development
and
provide
regular
status
reports
to
hcd,
and
we
anticipate
throughout
that
process
coming
back
in
the
winter
early
2023
to
receive
further
direction
from
this
committee
and
provide
those
recommended
program
revisions.
F
With
that,
I
will
pause
for
questions
and
pass
it
back
to
youtube.
C
Oh
well,
at
the
onset
of
this
conversation,
when
we
first
discussed
retooling,
we
did
think
about
an
impact
strategy
being
one
that
looks
at
multi-year
funding.
C
C
G
And
council
member
turner,
if
I
may,
as
we're
closing
out
with
the
key
takeaways
again,
I
do
want
to
note
that
there's
no
formal
motion
required
of
the
committee
today,
but
we
are
seeking
feedback
particularly
direction
from
you
all.
If
you
are
comfortable
with
us
advertising
the
application,
as
proposed
in
the
staff
report
and
using
the
basic
criteria
that
were
described
for
you
today
as
we're
scoring
the
pilot
appreciate
the
feedback
on
the
longer
term,
but
just
want
to
make
sure
there
are
no
specific
concerns.
G
G
The
application
would
need
to
also
include
that
501c3
documentation
for
their
fiscal
agent
with
their
with
their
application
packet,
but
if
there
are
specific
questions
again,
we
do
have
that
session
on
june
27th
to
answer
questions
of
the
agencies,
where
we
can
provide
greater
detail
on
what
that
process
would
look
like
long
term
so
just
to
kind
of
round
it
back
out.
G
We'll
then
take
your
recommendations
and
give
you
feedback
from
the
evaluation
committee
on
july
19th,
followed
by
city
council
award
on
july
26th,
and
then,
of
course,
the
lessons
learned
that
we
have
and
different
feedback
we
get
from
applicant
agencies
as
a
result
of
this
pilot
will
then
be
folded
into
that
longer
term.
Effort
that
rachel
taylor
described
to
look
at
a
long
term
revamp
of
the
strategic
partnership
program.
A
C
Great
work
from
the
team
and
thank
you
all
for
putting
all
hands
on
deck
to
get
it
done.
It
looks
excellent.
I
think
the
community
will
be
proud.
They
might
have
some
feedback
for
us
all
about
the
the
timing
of
it,
but
given
the
work,
that's
been
done
in
other
areas
as
far
as
like
applying
for
funds
kind
of
under
the
same
scope,
I
think
it's
smooth,
I
think,
it'll
be
well.
A
A
A
Right
well,
the
general
direction
thousand
looks
great.
Thank
you,
everyone
for
those
of
you.
Listening
at
home,
we
are
finishing
up
item
number
three
on
the
agenda
and
we're
going
to
move
into
item
number
four,
which
is
city
council
committee,
work
plans
and
rachel
wood
assistant
city
manager
is
going
to
lead
us
through
this
again.
G
I
know
I
was
out
for
eight
weeks,
so
I've
gotta
make
up
for
a
lost
time
and
give
you
two
presentations
today.
Instead
of
one
and
getting
back
to
the
previous
item,
I
do
wanna
say
thank
you
to
the
community
and
economic
development
department,
as
well
as
to
jamie
matthews
and
the
city
manager's
office,
for
their
great
work.
Getting
the
pilot
stood
up
so
quickly.
It
was.
It
was
a
great
effort
and
excellent
teamwork.
G
So
katie,
given
the
technical
issues
I'll
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen
again.
G
Okay,
so
we
today
are
going
to
talk
about
one
of
my
favorite
topics,
which
is
work,
plans
and
strategic
planning
and,
as
you
all
may
recall,
back
in
march,
we
had
a
discussion
with
you
around
the
city
council's
focus,
area,
visions
and
strategic
priorities
at
the
march
retreat.
You
all
gave
us
direction
on
what
you
wanted.
G
So
we're
looking
at
using
those
strategic
priorities
ultimately
to
set
work
plans
for
staff,
as
well
as
for
the
city
council
committees
that
will
serve
as
a
tool
to
plan
for
agenda
items
and
help
us
look
really
at
the
upcoming
year.
How
staff
needs
to
be
spending
their
time
and
then
ultimately
working
with
advisory
boards
on
how
they
set
their
agendas
to
report
back
to
the
city
council
committee.
G
G
Along
with
that
vision,
are
some
vision,
focus
areas
which
have
a
multi-year
relatively
broad
scope,
and
then,
each
year
at
your
city,
council
retreat.
You
look
at
what
your
strategic
priorities
are
going
to
be
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year
and
of
course,
back
in
march,
you
established
the
six
which
are
improving
expanding
core
services,
houselessness
strategies,
equitable
and
affordable
housing
stability,
neighborhood
resilience,
reimagining
public
safety
and
reparations.
G
So
as
we
talk
about
operationalizing,
particularly
those
strategic
priorities,
we
really
look
at
the
committee
work
plan
concept
as
being
how
would
we
actually
bring
the
strategic
priorities
to
fruition?
So
that's
really
what
should
be
done
to
actualize
those
priorities
and
then
having
the
work
plans
for
staff
and
the
advisory
boards
is
really.
How
are
we
going
to
get
that
done
so
working
through
those
strategies
working
through?
G
How
would
a
process
or
program
actually
come
to
be,
and
then
reporting
back
to
the
committees
and
the
committees
ultimately
making
that
policy
recommendation
that
then
the
full
city
council
approves
so
kind
of
talking
through
this
concept,
a
little
bit
more,
as
I
mentioned
the
city
council,
of
course,
reviews
and
approves
their
strategic
priorities
at
the
annual
city
council
retreat
and
then
those
priorities
are
used
to
inform
the
city
council
committee's
proposed
work
plans
as
as
we're
kind
of
envisioning
right
now
and
as
we
work
with
you
to
develop
your
work
plans,
we
would
outline
key
areas
of
focus
throughout
the
fiscal
year.
G
So,
for
example,
would
we
be
looking
at
the
affordable
housing
policy
and
what
can
what
specific
components
of
that?
Would
we
be
updating
throughout
the
year?
That
would
be
an
example
of
an
item
on
your
work
plan
and
then
the
committee
work
plans
assign
specific
projects,
programs
and
policy
areas
for
the
advisory
boards
to
research
and
work
through
during
the
fiscal
year,
and
so
this
is
where
we'll
be
working
with
you
all
on.
What
does
that?
G
Then
the
city
council
committees
would
use
the
feedback
from
the
advisory
boards
to
develop
policy
recommendations
that
full
city
council
would
ultimately
consider
so
trying
to
use
this.
A
more
concrete
example.
As
we
talk
through
this
concept
of
work
plans,
is
you
obviously
got
the
strategic
priority
for
equitable
and
affordable
housing
and
stability,
which
fits
very
neatly
with
the
housing
and
community
development
committee's
charge.
G
So
under
your
committee,
you've
got
a
potential
work
plan
topic,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
of
updating
the
affordable
housing
strategies.
So
one
of
your
assignments
to
a
an
advisory
board
might
be
reviewing
the
land
use
incentive
grant
policy
with
ahac.
You
may
have
some
specific
assignments
that
you
make
for
the
homeless
initiative
advisory
board,
and
so
then
ahac
would
work
through
potential
revisions,
with
staff
to
the
land,
use
incentive
grant
policy
and
on
a
regular,
increment,
potentially
quarterly
report
back
to
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
on
progress.
G
And
then
once
there
are
some
formal
recommendations,
the
committee
would
consider
those
and
then
ultimately
those
would
go
back
to
full
city
council
for
policy
consideration
and
ultimately
adoption.
So
that's
kind
of
the
cascade
that
we're
considering
of
of
how
this
could
potentially
work
and
so
we're
looking
at
potentially
using
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
as
a
pilot
to
ultimately
replicate
this
process
with
all
of
the
council
committees
and,
ultimately,
with
all
of
the
advisory
boards
that
feed
up
to
those
council
committees
just
to
formalize.
G
G
So
assuming
we're
able
to
get
at
least
a
start
of
a
work
plan
in
place
at
that
july,
19th
meeting,
then
on
august,
4th
staff
plans
to
present
this
process
and
the
draft
work
plan
to
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
and
go
through
those
specific
assignments
they
received
from
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
at
that
time
and
then,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
still
working
through
what
that
reporting
structure
would
look
like.
But
at
least
on
a
quarterly
basis.
G
We
would
like
for
you
to
hear
from
ahac,
as
well
as
the
homelessness
initiative
advisory
committee,
on
the
progress
that
they're
making,
with
the
specific
assignments
that
they've
received
from
from
the
housing
and
community
development
committee
and
then
ultimately,
based
on
feedback
from
this
process.
Look
at
rolling
this
out
across
all
city
council
committees
and
their
advisory
boards
to
have
that
specific
assignment
to
the
advisory
boards
and
then,
ultimately,
that
feedback
loop
between
the
advisory
boards
and
the
council
committees,
and
so
the
end
goal
being
that
we
are
able
to
operationalize
the
strategic
priorities.
G
So
we
are
looking
for
feedback
from
you
all
today.
There's
not
necessarily
a
need
for
a
formal
motion,
but
we
do
want
to
make
sure
that
there
is
support
for
us
drafting
that
proposed
work
plan
and
coming
back
to
you
all
on
july,
19th
with
the
draft
work
plan,
and
so
we
want
to
use
the
city
council's
committees
to
really
develop
those
work
plans.
G
E
I
guess
the
only
thing
that
I
would
add
is
that
we
are
going
to
be
discussing
kind
of
this
broad
overview
with
the
rest
of
the
council
committees,
but
we
would
be
requesting
that
we
kind
of
use
you
all
as
the
guinea
pig
for
you
know,
developing
the
work,
programs
and
work
plans.
I'm
sorry
and
moving
forward
and
kind
of
express
lessons
learned
so
that
the
other
committees
can
can
learn
from
the
experience,
and
this
is
actually
mirroring.
E
I
think
what
we
are
trying
to
establish
with
the
boards
and
commissions
relook
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
focusing
on
your
priorities
and
that
we
are
collaboratively
staff.
The
board's
council
we're
in
lockstep
we're
working
on
the
same
things
and
and
hopefully
accomplishing
mutual
goals
and
having
a
mutual
impact
on
the
community,
which
is
most
important.
A
Agreed,
I
really
like
this
format
and
plan.
I
know
I
hear
from
some
committees.
Just
you
know,
throughout
boarding
committees,
not
just
housing,
related
that
you
know
what
what
do
you
want
us
working
on
and
how
can
we
help?
How
can
we
help
and
and
lack
in
the
absence
of
having
clear
things
to
work
on?
They
tend
to
dream
up
their
own,
which
can
complicate
matters
because
it
may
not
be
one
of
our
focuses
or
something
that
may
struggle
to.
A
A
I
think
this
is
a
great
move
and
since
housing
is
one
of
our
top
priorities
for
this
upcoming
year,
this
is
a
great
committee
to
run
with
this
kind
of
model
happy
to
be
a
model
for
other
boards
and
committees,
but
I
think
getting
a
work
plan
and
you
know
I
think,
throughout
recent
meetings,
we've
been
kind
of
throwing
out
ideas
like
just
earlier
when
we
reviewed
luigi
and
about
the
family
size
units,
and
some
of
that
is
ready
to
be
discussed
and
reviewed
and
I
think,
engaging
a
hack
on
some
of
that
will
be
really
helpful.
A
A
When
we
did
a
little
check-in
ahead
of
this
meeting,
which
I
do
as
chair,
we
talked
about
whether
or
not
we
wanted
to
kind
of
brainstorm
some
ideas
and
help
staff
kind
of
from
a
starting
place
or
just
throw
out
ideas,
maybe
drop
some
notes
down.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
wants
to
be
that
I
know
various
topics
have
come
up
throughout
our
meetings
and
I've
been
kind
of
keeping
notes
the
whole
time.
So
I
know
I
have
a
couple
pages
of
things
that
have
been
brought
up
in
meetings.
A
I'm
happy
to
happy
to
forward
that
to
staff,
but
rachel
deborah.
What
do
you?
How
can
we
best
help?
I
know
staff
are
going
to
kind
of
run
with
this
and
say
you
know
here's
some
things
we
can
tackle,
but
do
you
also
want
to
hear
from
this
council
committee
about
some
things
like
ideas
that
put
on
the
table
put
on
the
list
to
review
and
consider.
E
And-
and
I
think
the
the
reason
for
this
is
we-
we
truly
have
to
look
at
order
of
magnitude
of
the
assignments
and
staff
resources
and
that,
particularly
with
community
and
economic
development,
may
be
a
little
bit
challenging
because
they
they
just
have
a
lot
on
on
their
work
plan
and
program.
But
having
committees
to
to
help
think
through
some
things
will
certainly
lighten
them
up
for
ced.
E
But
it's
still
a
a
concern
of
mine
and
I'm
sure
his
concern
of
nicki's
as
well
is
that
we
would
be
reasonable
and
mindful
of
our
staff
challenges.
G
G
Several
of
her
departmental
work
plans
are
on
what
we're
calling
our
organizational
work
plan,
which
are
some
of
those
broader
policy
areas,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
nikki's
focusing
on
what
you,
as
a
committee
view
as
the
top
priority
things
in
that
order,
and
so
this
is
a
great
way
to
facilitate
that
dialogue,
where
it's
really
hard.
If
we
were
to
discuss
this
with
the
full
city
council,
it's
really
hard
to
have
those
deeper
dive
conversations
with
with
the
full
city
council.
A
That's
great-
and
I
recall
from
when
I
was
the
chair
of
a
hack.
We
would
actually
create
a
spreadsheet
of
all
the
12
months
of
that
fiscal
year
and
the
topics
we
were
assigning
to
ourselves
to
review
and
just
kind
of
tag
along
with
it.
So
I
think
we
did
that
so
that
the
community
could
also
know
ahead
of
time.
What
we
were
about
to
discuss
so
they'd
have
ample
input
as
well,
but
those
work
plans.
A
I
think
we
did
the
downtown
commission
as
well,
and
it
was
helpful
to
have
throughout
the
year,
because
if
we
did
get
off
track,
we'd
just
look
back
and
say
hey
this
isn't
even
on
the
list.
You
know
let's
tackle
what's
in
front
of
us
first,
and
I
know
I
just
I'm
just
going
to
rattle
off
a
few
things
that
keep
coming
up.
Obviously
reviewing
luigi,
I
continually
hear
a
fellow
councilwoman
talking
about
the
idea
of
using
a
community
benefits
table
similar
to
the
hotel
moratoriums
for
larger
conditional
use
or
conditional
zoned
housing
projects.
A
I
know
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
some
of
that
49
unit
cutoff
has
come
up
and
whether
or
not
it
should
be
a
higher
number
of
units
that
triggers
council
approval.
A
B
Thanks
and
I'd
also
be
interested
in
following
up
with
the
equity
discussion
we
began
last
year
as
it
relates
to
developers,
but
also
equitable,
affordable
housing,
meaning
ways
where
lower
amis
can
be
reached,
even
if
it
means
increasing
other
amis.
So
I'd
be
very
interested
in
60
50,
even
if
it
meant
increasing
to
120
ways.
We
can
do
that
and
also
wondering,
if
there's
a
way
to
align
what
we're
doing
with
requests
from
the
reparations
commission.
I'd
be
interested
in
those.
A
Yeah
on
my
list
is:
are
there
legal
avenues?
You
know
we
get
stuck
around
race
specifically
and
fair
housing
practices,
and
I'm
wondering
if
there
are
ways
a
big
legal
question.
You
know
when,
in
the
past,
municipalities
or
governments
have
taken
real
estate,
are
there
any
legal
avenues
to
then
look
to
those
for
replacement
or
repairing
that
loss
of
real
estate
been
regardless,
like
not
introducing
race,
just
people
who
had
their
property
taken?
A
I'm
just
curious
if
other
cities
have
encountered
anything
like
that,
so
that's
always
been
on
my
list
and
it's
similar
to
what
you're
getting
on
internet.
Also,
you
mentioned
if
the
lower
amis,
if
you
get
deeper
and
you
brought
in
120,
I
am
consistently
hearing
from
our
workforce
like
the
folks
that
just
don't
they're
over
80
ami
but
they're
nowhere
near
able
to
afford
market
rate
so
they're
feeling
left
out-
and
this
is
I
hear
this
from
the
service
industry.
A
B
Or
I'd
also
be
interested
in
the
potential
for
home
ownership
opportunities,
if
that
can
be
married,
lower
amis,
for
example,
if
we
have
a
developer
building
a
hundred
units,
if
the
developer
would
offer
ownership
opportunities,
maybe
in
partnership
with
the
housing
authorities,
family
self-sufficiency,
I
would
just
love
to
know
if
that's
a
pipe
dream
or
in
fact
doable.
B
You
know
things
like
that.
Alternate
approaches
for
home
ownerships
for
folks
at
the
lower
ami
levels
as
well,
yeah.
A
And
vice
mayor,
you
and
I
had
a
conversation
recently
and
I
think
it
came
up
with
our
last
meeting
when
we
were
reviewing
the
micro
units
so
concerned
about
that
neighborhood
and
the
impact
of
these
large
housing
developments
coming
so
to
me,
you
know,
preservation
and
protection
of
housing
is
also
a
means
of
creating
and
sustaining
affordability.
E
Ahead
sure-
and
this
is
really
in
response
to
councilmember
mosley's-
concern
about
home
ownership,
one
of
the
things
that
we
hope
as
part
of
the
budget
approval
process
is
an
assessment
of
the
missing
middle
which
is
housing.
You
know
right
now
we're
getting
you
know.
These
big
projects
are
nothing
at
all
and
I
think
this
assessment
of
that
middle
housing,
where
you
have
triplexes
duplexes
quads
those
are
the
things
that
might
get
us
a
little
closer
to
home
ownership,
including
small
condos.
E
So
so
that
is
a
part
of
what
we
think
is
is
critical
that
we
take
take
a
look
at
and
we've
had
a
number
of
other
consultants
and
assessments
that
have
said
you
need
to
look
at
this
missing
middle
as
part
of
your
toolbox
of
opportunities
for
to
enhance,
affordable
housing.
A
And
then
we
set
aside
in
our
budget
85
000
to
complete
that
study.
I
assume
it
includes
adus
as
well,
because
for
a
long
time
there
was
been
a
on
our
work
plan
at
a
hack
was
an
adu
guideline
document.
It
just
never
got
tackled,
there's
always
so
much
going
on.
But
you
know,
one
of
the
things
that
has
immediately
come
up
is
the
idea
of
280s
by
right,
because
there's
a
little
kind
of
trick
when
you
start
doing
three
units
in
one
building,
there's
fire
and
light
safety
increases
in
cost.
A
But
if
you
were
a
house
with
the
basement
apartment
and
it
had
a
garage
apartment
which
would
be
too
late
to
use,
do
not
have
those
same
life
safety
triggers.
So
it's
a
way
to
get
three
units
on
a
property
without
as
much
cost.
So
the
280
used
by
right
has
come
up
over
the
years
that
might
be
worth
looking
into.
A
There
was
always
talking
to
some
other
cities.
Much
larger
cities
than
asheville
are
taking
on
just
kind
of
eliminating
single-family
zoning.
Altogether,
I
wouldn't
say
asheville
is
quite
ready
for
that,
but
we
may
be
able
to
look
at
out
zoning
some
major
corridors,
eliminating
single-family
zoning
within
like
a
half
mile
of
our
known
corridors
or
something
some
range
of
distance,
but
yeah
all
good
topics-
and
I
imagine
staff-
have
their
own
list
and
that
this
could
be
a
pretty
long
list.
A
E
That's
exactly
what
I
was
going
to
say:
chairperson
turner
is
that
this
can
be
a
one
or
two
year.
Work
program
and
we'd
have
to
take
all
of
these
suggestions
and
assess,
what's
what's
the
critical
path
and
what's
doable
in
the
first
fiscal
year,
but
it
may
be,
it
may
make
a
lot
of
sense
for
us
to
have
more
than
less
such
that
you
know.
E
Committees
can
start
working
on
things
ahead
of
time,
and
I
mean
that
there
can
be
some
idea
of
a
north
star
or
horizon
for
both
staff
and
the
committees
right
and
it's
time
to
do
this.
Every
year.
A
Right-
and
you
know
some
of
that,
like
with
luigi
some
of
my
notes,
say
you
know:
can
we
look
at
whether
or
not
if
a
project
meets
the
policy
checks
all
the
boxes?
Why
are
all
the
committees
having
to
review
it
and
why
is
it
having
to
go
all
the
way
to
council?
So
can
we
you
know
some
of
these
things
might
help
us
reduce
our
workload.
You
know
if
we
get
luigi
to
a
place,
it
can
just
be
implemented
without
review
or
view
review
and
staff
report
report
report.
A
C
G
Absolutely
yeah,
that's
that's
using
the
advisory
boards
as
they
were
intended
to
be
used,
and
so
that's
that's
definitely.
What
we
envision
is
what
you
just
described
vice
mayor,
is
having
that
two-way
conversation
with
them
before.
Ultimately,
the
committee
making
a
recommendation
that
full
city
council
considers.
C
Only
other
concern-
and
I
know
this
is
a
pilot
and
we're
just
kind
of
road
mapping
what
can
be
possible,
but
when
it
comes
to
the
scope
of
this
committee's
work,
you
know
it
can
touch
the
neighborhood
advisory
board.
It
can
touch
human
relations,
you
know
so
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out.
If
we
do
have
other
advisory
groups
with
community
development
and
housing
interests,
then
how
are
we
going
to
measure
our
work
and
and
whose
work
gets?
What
priority?
C
In
this
conversation,
I
think
that
is
an
ongoing
concern
with
restructuring
and
will
the
advisory
boards,
who
might
have
less
reputation
or
popularity
will
they
be
able
to
get
the
same
consideration
at
the
same
time
as
other
committees.
Advisory
boards.
A
G
That's
where
having
a
work
plan
for
all
of
the
committees
is
going
to
be
really
helpful,
so
that
we
can
then
see
what's
the
full
landscape.
Because
to
your
point
vice
mayor,
none
of
the
advisory
board's
work
is
going
to
be
mutually
exclusive
and
only
touch
one
city
council
committee.
It's
going
to
likely
touch
multiple
city,
council
committees
and
so
figuring
out
on
a
topic
basis.
A
That's
great!
Well,
that
is
an
exciting
discussion.
Thank
you
for
coming
back
so
quickly
and
ready
rachel
you're
on
it,
we're
thrilled
so
that
wraps
item
number
four
on
our
agenda
and
the
only
item
we
have
left
is
item
five
public
comment:
did
we
have
any
public
comments
or
is?
I
know
we
didn't
have
any
ahead
of
time?
Do
we
have
anyone
on
the
phone?
A
No,
we
do
not.
Okay!
I
guess
we
satisfied
every
answer,
every
question
for
all
the
thousands
of
people
and
if
there
are
no
other
comments
or
anything,
I
think
we
can
adjourn
is
everyone
everyone,
good.
Okay,
thank
you
staff
for
your
time
this
morning
and
such
good
work,
and
with
that
we
are
adjourned,
have
a
great
rest
of
your
day.
Everyone.