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From YouTube: Community Meeting, 16:00 UTC Tuesday October 18th 2022

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https://github.com/asyncapi/community/issues/490

A

Hey man, how are you doing.

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A

B

Oh hello, everyone um welcome to today's community meeting and, as you can see, we have a full house like if you're watching this this live stream later I wish. You could see. You know the zoom, the zoom, the zoom view like it's full house like everyone is here, man I'm super happy and you can see. I can see she's looking fresh um I can see long time.

A

Hi hi after a very very long time and good to see you yeah.

B

Same here same here, man same here and I can see deal hello deal.

A

Hello, how are you doing yeah.

B

Good, thank you. Yeah I'm glad I'm glad to see you today.

B

um I can I can say Maya hello, Maya.

A

B

How are we doing.

A

B

Hi good evening, um I can also see Jonas um hello.

A

B

You doing man I'm good. How are you I'm doing I'm doing great so thanks um I can say um Devin how you doing Devin.

A

Good yeah excited to join thanks, appreciate it.

B

Yes, so um that's that's everyone, I can see, um and I I can also see act. Shots um shout out to action. How are you doing actions? It's perfectly fine good text. Thanks for joining today's call, um I I, don't know it feels it feels like I'm the I'm, the most happiest person on this call today. So because I can see everyone.

B

Yeah, so um a quick introduction about myself. um Oh now we are federal.

B

Hello, hello, Pedro, oh cool. We have. We have Jeremy.

B

And we have sagio, I I, think I. Think zoom's gonna stop this goal. They're gonna kick all those out. Okay, we have a full house.

B

How you doing man, good man, hey sagio,.

A

Sorry, hello, how are you doing yeah I'm, just hearing just another painting, I'm, not sure if it's gonna be boring, not sure.

B

It's gonna be fun, it's gonna be fun. I'm gonna make this fun. You know I I'm, not Lucas.

A

Oh yeah, that's that's right. I didn't remember that I.

C

Think we can see the difference like you're, more energized than I am.

B

Yeah you you hold I, can I understand.

B

And we have um Alejandra hello, hello,.

B

D

Oh, my dear okay,.

D

And my two dogs are in the background: oh I, guess: I'm good yeah.

A

D

um Sorry I didn't mean to disrupt the meeting of.

B

Course, of course we are, we are in the introduction phase.

D

B

Yes, so um I'm gonna quickly introduce myself um so um hey and I'm the new um coordinator. Oh, let me just say, I'm. The new host of these community meeting I took over I took over for wukash, because you know it's aging so fast, it's bad also, so you can see the white hair itself. So um thanks for joining this call and yeah so looking forward to having an amazing call.

B

So um so we have to go to the first thing on the agenda and yeah so which is a topic that was proposed by wukash and yeah. So the first thing on your agenda is actually um we're. Basically looking for volunteers to run the async API meeting.

B

um So uh can you give us a little bit inside.

C

Thank you um so yeah. We are two weeks before our async API conference, um which starts on 3rd of November, finishes on Saturday 5th of November, and we do it as last year and uh two years ago online only and we do it in the same fashion as last year. So the live stream will happen on restream and we will live stream. The event to multiple social accounts that asking API owns like YouTube, Twitter, LinkedIn and twitch, and they even um requires a a stuff to run.

C

It basically like to start the stream um to make sure speakers are there to invite.

D

Vanilla is ready.

C

Let's try like if, if we can onboard her, let's see and.

D

The best part is that she'll do it all for free.

C

I did not say that anyone else will get some some money for it, so um we all do it for free anyway. Sorry, it's boring um anyway, uh so like we need someone who can like support the event on stage like virtual stage. So like um kick off the the conference on day, one or or day two or day, three uh in make sure making sure that speakers are there somewhere on the backstage getting them on the stage.

C

uh Then uh coordinating uh questions to the to the speakers, then getting them off stage and then setting like going into the break and then again going back from the break and again another speaker um so making sure actually like being the face uh during the conference, um making sure that, like the uh the ball is running, and um we also need volunteers uh for off-stage support, so we need someone who can watch the the chats and other channels uh where the conference happens.

C

So in case somebody is um not really the nicest person in the community. um It's it's aggressive or violates code of conduct in different other different ways. We need to make sure to monitor. This react reminds people about different information about the event. Talk about talk to people about like yeah, like mentioned in the chat that, like in 20 minutes, um there's going to be a break or like.

C

Basically, we need someone who can do some things offline and do some things online on the stage to make the conference um running and um it the the volunteer doesn't have to do it full-time all three days of the conference, it's complex, especially that we run it like like last year in different time zones. So it's definitely okay. If somebody wants just to help in on Thursday between two and four pm, for example, or if somebody wants to just uh hop in on Saturday and and help out to run it throughout the the whole Saturday.

C

So that's, basically what we're looking for. We have next two weeks to make sure that we have a list of people we can count on and then, of course, I'm gonna yeah try to figure like how can I onboard all the people to actually run the conference.

C

um Does it all make sense, you know what I'm.

A

So, what's the, how do we sign up contact you or is there a sign up somewhere.

C

uh The best contact me there's no official um form or whatever just contact me so I'm gonna compile the list of people that want to volunteer and want to help which I assume you want, which would be.

A

Awesome yeah I can definitely do one of the days. Okay,.

C

Cool awesome, so yeah just DM me uh best if you do it on Slack, uh but you can use different channels where I am Twitter or or LinkedIn I. Already posted uh information there onto LinkedIn and Twitter for my private account we're gonna retweet it later from the official one but yeah the best I think the.

B

So you're saying we had: are we definitely going to have different categories of volunteers.

C

um I mean I, wouldn't say different categories of volunteers. I would say, like we have two different jobs to do, but there can be one person that volunteers to both like, for example, you can volunteer to do they won on stage and day two off stage.

C

If you want um it's just that it's impossible like from our experience, we know that it's impossible to connect two roles at the same time, uh because there's so many things when you're on the stage there's so many things happening around that you don't really have time to focus also on the chat and what's happening offline. So there need to be someone supporting you and like um when they talk finish. uh There has to be someone in the offline saying: okay, there's just one question on Twitch and a person will pause the question.

C

You know what I mean like, um so there can be one person doing both, but not at the same time, it's impossible for humans, at least for Polish. Folks, like me, for other nationalities.

B

um Any question.

B

Yeah so I'm definitely volunteering so um I think I'll be pairing with Alejandra, so I, so just I'm definitely doing that so Alejandra. We are both volunteering, but but it can be. The volunteer um I'll be available throughout days like um three days so I I have no break, definitely going to be yes. So any suggestion.

D

um Are you saying, are you asking me if uh like uh sounds like, we need to think so? um Are we both dividing the hosting or how do you want me to help you? How can I help.

B

So basically, um I think I would have I feel I would have some kind of superpower when I have Alejandra by my side right. So you might, you might end up not doing anything right so for the fact that I know oh I have Alejandra, then I could I could do the whole thing myself. So.

C

Basically, he tries to convince you that you should also volunteer Alejandra.

D

He chose the strategy.

D

Kissing up always works right, um I need your wisdom.

D

um Oh yeah I mean for sure I. Definitely um remember even a few weeks back I think saying that if you needed my help to like, let me know, um and then um we can maybe just think offline after the call, if you want- and we can figure, Logistics out or and um yeah I'm happy to help out.

B

Yeah thanks so much Alejandra um looking forward to collaborating with you on this, um so any any other person. If you're interested in volunteering, please feel free to reach out to um yeah. So we could. We could form um an asapi go for us, so so uh the next thing on the agenda is actually the mentorship. The mentorship program right so and I was thinking it is. It is best if we discuss um the issues around this in the community meeting right.

B

So um so we have um I, think three mentees that I haven't like reached out to their mentors a couple like a month or two now and I think I. Think uh one of the mentees one of the mentors I've actually had about from one of Herman t for like since, like June, which doesn't make like um sorry.

B

Yeah sorry, um so now sorry, um my attention got divided. Sorry.

B

Now we have so many teas that are not been responsive at all, and now we need a way to actually because we have a lot of folks out there. That wants to, um you know, participate in this mentorship program, but eventually they came late or something happened, and the program already started before they had about the program.

B

But now we have like three mentees that, in my honest opinion, I feel we have to replace them because to be honest, they are not active and you know, I reached out to them through various Channel got no response back from them and and I think before before any decision for before I make any decision, I was feeling I have to like share it with the community members to hear their opinions on that.

C

I always have an opinion, so I can share.

C

um But I think I shared it with you already um so, like my opinion is like um this time we did mentorship for the first time like we don't have any uh rules written in stone that we have to follow. uh We just have a deadline end of the year and like um and I think it works the same with Google summer of code like if you can't reach really a mentee, and you tried really all the all the different communication channels and I'm pretty sure you did.

C

um Then you just write a final message like like sorry, you're uh we're canceling your your USA mentee for a given topic and then I would say it's first like we this year we set for the mentorship that it's um once we selected the project. It's then, um um like majority of power stays with the mentor, so I would say um looking on the rules for this year, we could assume that Mentor should be the first one that says: Okay um I'm resigning from The Proposal.

C

That I did and we should just pick up next from the list or um The MENTOR. Maybe should also have an option like Okay. So, let's try with another person that volunteered. If this this person wants to work on a given topic, you know, um but then just just drop it just drop that person and and pick the next one or the next idea. Then that's that's my fallback. That's how I would call it like.

D

And um this is interesting, like it um I think it's always hard like when something like this happens, because, of course, there's always something to learn, and you wonder, oh should I have done something different earlier on, should I have communicated more or differently earlier on, um so I can see how you're probably also feeling, maybe you even feel guilty- I, don't know I'm guessing.

D

Of course, I can't read your mind, um but anyway, um I think that um what you communicated sounds as if you did your best to communicate many times and to me many sounds like it was more than three times and just no responses just not even there not engaging and definitely not giving back to the open source Community um evaluating the spot that they had in that mentorship or internship or whatever program um so I.

D

Think in that case, um it definitely makes sense for you to explain the limitations where, if the person is not engaged, then that spot has to be given up because I mean what's the point right um and so you're getting drained out from helping the mentees that do value um open source and do value your time as a mentor, and so you shouldn't get drained and tired from people that don't actually appreciate and are not giving back to the open source Community.

D

um You should definitely save the energy for the folks that value it and want to like and show you know, growth it doesn't matter if, um oh, my God is just giving like everybody compliments right now. What is my compliment? Coming up? Cuda all right, I want one too.

D

Okay, sorry just messing um but yeah I'm, just saying that I think it makes sense um and then I think that uh a solution for the next time around, because I'm sure we still want to keep running mentorship programs next year and stuff like that, is um really thinking about how you have evaluated each candidate and thinking about the questions you asked them, because it really really will help you. Hopefully next year identify earlier on and we all make mistakes. It's not like.

D

You can always know for sure somebody's going to be a good candidate or not, but I do know that the more people have taught me to improve my interview techniques, um the easier it's been for me to identify like those things anyway, I don't know if that's helpful or not. But since you asked for Community feedback, I was like okay.

B

Thanks Alejandra, that was, that was an amazing feedback. um I really appreciate that um yeah. So um Sanyo, you have anything to say.

A

Oh no I was just I was really into the compliment the same. Thank you. um Yeah. The level wasn't hard to reach. I guess it was I mean there was Alejandra there, so it's normal that that I did it well um so yeah. Thank you. Yeah I will definitely be there. I wrote, uh Lucas DM, maybe I wouldn't be I, would not be like all hours.

A

um I I'm now talking about the right about the conference, uh volunteering leaving context because I was.

B

I was confused, I'm.

A

Like in my brain, but in.

B

A

Connection, but in my brain um yeah I will definitely be like um volunteering for the conference and that's it I'm not gonna break the the current Topic in discussion. Okay,.

B

Thanks yeah, so um another thing on the agenda um is actually um something um I think actually have a discussion about that. So we have in the community it contributor um called um Ismail, so I I think it's my event and actually works for um um drain. Green Foundation um am I right, English.

C

Foreign, so I'm not sure the name of the foundation but yeah it's mother, Velasco, is is involved in the foundation that um tries to fix the tech World. um If it comes to the carbon production emission emission attack yeah.

B

Yeah, so uh he wrote Today a slack Channel about an architon that the the foundation is actually Austin, which is called carbon hack, 2022, right and so I I actually saw that as an opportunity to actually you know bring instant kpi to the spotlight right. So then I decided to like participate in the in the arcotel right so just to to do some really cool stuff for it, instant, API and how um we are also kind of contributing to save, like Planet heads in some way or the other. So I started.

B

I started working on the first draft of this particular project, which has an awesome name and I. I really wish I end up having an awesome, an awesome product which is called Voltron so.

B

Few seconds please.

B

So um so the main idea behind the the project is actually um so. The main idea behind the the um akaton is actually the foundation actually Builds an SDK in which you can use to decide when to either maybe run your your server or whatever it is you're doing in the tech industry on um power grids when the energy is clean versus when the energy is not clean and I was thinking. Okay, so I I, don't have any any fancy idea on what to do with this particular SDK. That I thought.

B

Oh, what if we could? Actually, you know limit the rate at which um the the participant or the the consumers of this particular sdks or this particular web apis endpoints, actually um pull like Fran, would say. Http polluting would eventually pull these um these endpoints, so they I started working on the first draft, which I would eventually share with the community once I have a working prototype of what I'm trying to build.

B

So, if you're, if you're interested in um in contributing to this project, um feel free to reach out to me later, this call and yeah I can collaborate with you and eventually, after the acting, we can eventually move the project on that um instant, kpi and I hope. This project actually brings us to the to the sports lights, foreign.

C

Is end of October right? Yes,.

B

So if you have any questions, please feel free to ask.

B

So I'm going to share the link today, little projects.

A

Give me a few seconds.

B

So here is a link to the Accutane if you're interested and going through it and I'm sharing it on the zoom. Oh also share it. Oh I said it with my um personal YouTube bundle so um yeah. So if you have any anything, you'd love to discuss outside this, um please feel free to take over.

B

Okay cool, so I have another question: I'm sorry I just have as the host I'm just saying everything in my power to not make this call short. So um so the first I I have a question. So I was actually um writing um um a dog which is actually saying how changes are introduced in this Peg. So, while I was writing the dogs I, okay, I actually came about something that triggered my curiosity about the specification meeting right. So um a new version of this spec was released right and I was thinking.

B

Okay, so, which makes sense and I was also saying. Another version has been worked on right, which is expect 3.0.

B

Then the latest version that we got released was 2.5. Then I was wondering so I thought generally the meeting being held, which is the spec meeting um that says, which I think Jonas is coordinating, is actually called spec 3.0, then, as then I was worried. Why? Why doesn't this meeting? Actually, you know covers the whole specification meeting in general, why it is specific to 3.0.

C

um It's because of the complexity um like so basically like we don't enforce meetings addressing API. We do them only if they really need it. uh So this asking API 3-0 as far as I remember, uh Jonas, set it up to have it as regular like regular, um just to make sure that, like like in case I'm, not sure if you you know that I'm, you know I'm doing also this regular meetings about uh conference organization.

C

So it's because, like the topic, is pretty large and requires a lot of involvement of different people and and regular updates uh so like in case of com, the um the conference meeting or spec 3-0 meeting. That's why there was a need for having such like regular um check, what's happening and they having a platform for discussion, uh because some people they prefer to interact through GitHub and some uh just feel better to explain things on on the spec calls.

C

But just it's important to remember that the 3-0 spec, like any other meeting, it's not mandatory, so um you to contribute to three zero spec. You don't have to join the meeting um just to make it clear but yeah. That's um as far like Sergio can can add more because Sergey also became a code owner for spec recently, but um as far as I remember from proposal from Jonas when he proposed this meeting.

C

What like main motivation was that like to kick off like speed up the work on Spec, 3, 0 and I, was in Need for such meeting.

A

uh Yeah yeah: that's right, it's a way of following the development of the 3.0 uh spec version right and also just to to maybe add it just.

C

A

Of course I am, but it's much easier, letting you you talk so I'll just waiting, maybe maybe also just to clarify like, even though that we have a spec 3.0 meeting. It doesn't mean that you can't have a a specific meeting for another version of this of the spec. It's just that with the complexity and the discussions going around just version three, it would be too complex to also include the development of a minor version, for example within that discussion at least that's just my opinion.

B

Okay, okay, because I was so confused as to why um you know when the 2.50 was been released or was was being worked on, why we didn't have like spec 2.5.0 meeting and we have spent 3.0 meeting, so I was like what the hell is going on. Why is it? Why is it like that, thanks for shedding light on that, I really appreciate.

A

C

But it can certainly be proposed, like um so the the regular releases that we do every few months. They have always a dedicated release, coordinated tour, um every single time after the British cycle. We also go through the improvements for the release um to fix stuff to automate some stuff, um and there were a few release coordinators already in the past. Like me, Sergio um Vladimir, as far as I remember Dale.

C

um So there are already a few people that were like were involved in the coordination, so maybe like, um like I, suggest you like open a discussion. Maybe there's uh there it's going to be actually useful, because I I think that sometimes it's pretty hard for release coordinator um to coordinate stuff. um So maybe the meeting will help them. But then then there is a coordinator has to coordinate the meeting as well. So it's it might be useful, but also an overhead, so I definitely encourage you to um to open up a discussion to clarify.

B

Yeah, definitely I'll definitely do that um thanks and and also one more thing. um I'm also need clarification on was on in the last in the last, um um how to contribute live stream which, which I had with um one of the contributors of or and also a champion of, modelina right, so you were saying something about contribute or badge. Would you love to like also shed light on? What is what that is about, and uh why? Why do we? Why are we gonna? Have that.

C

And I think we have that like so my um when I was watching your live stream. uh What was important, what um um some shared was that um one of the nice things for her as a contributor to start with the project she liked how we were using all contributors uh bot- and we have this special place in readme's, where we like recognize the contributions that we have those different budgets from um all contributors back like for different um contributions, Etc and then I was just like I just reminded myself. I.

C

Remember that you're working on this new community section and also Maya started working on this um design of the of the list of the contributors that we're showing so I was like yeah like if batches are and kind of, gamification is still I. Think and people feel motivated by by this actually I like new batches on GitHub, so I always look on the new badges I have on GitHub.

C

um So maybe we should also come up with some budgets for using API uh like uh because we're gonna anyway to list all the contributors in the in the UI uh to recognize them. We will have to access uh archive data of GitHub, so we're gonna have also access to many other data, so we can also do some calculations and assign badges and then basing on budgets. We can provide swags to the contributors also to encourage them, but yeah. It was just a rough idea during the live stream.

B

C

No, no I was just like I like the idea. I just shared it, but I didn't wasn't thinking if it's actually, if it makes sense, I just.

B

It makes sense and it doesn't make sense. So what do you guys think to me? It makes absolute sense.

D

I have to say something I'm, so sorry, I got too excited earlier, but um I like the idea, because I, coincidentally recently I've been reading a lot about the science of how the dopamine surges during gamification is what makes people enjoy, learning more or working more toward a goal, and since I was just recently really surprised by all the research. That's coming up with this and I mean it's really all brain chemistry, science, I'm thinking. Oh my heck, yeah, let's use science for open source and get more contributors, excited I, mean I.

D

Think that's a really logical and fun idea. So I think it's really cool I, like it.

B

Thanks Alejandra, that makes so much sense, so we we are too right so makes sense to me also, even though I have no resigned stuff related to it, I just you know deep down, which makes so much sense.

B

So we share Less in common Alejandra.

C

So I have to write the proposal in the discussions. Yeah. Definitely, okay, let's try, but then we need Maya to help out with the design of patches. Then.

A

B

Yeah so as far as I know, I think uh Maya is actually um going through some internship program, even if I'm right so I, don't think she's currently available well, I feel as soon as she is available. She should be able to. You know, give us the first iteration.

B

um And also on the next, how to contribute live stream which is um related to October 1st I would be hosting Maya, so she would be my co-host. You sound surprised right, so she should be joining me in in the next um live stream, which would be on on Thursday I. Encourage you guys to join so should be talking about how she's going into open source as a designer, and what's our experience like so far, uh you know I can't wait to hear a side of the story and listen to amazing vaccines and stuff. So.

B

A

B

All right, um so that's that's everything on my end. So if you have any thing, you'd love to say, I believe now is the time.

B

Okay, so I guess no question, no suggestions, so I believe this will be the end of today's government to call and yeah I'm open to seeing you guys in the next couple minutes ago and to be honest, I I, quite I kind of freaked out, because you know a lot of you guys, joined and I started, getting nervous, so yeah, so I I'll be prepared next time.

B

So, um looking forward to seeing you guys again, yeah bye, guys see you bye.