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From YouTube: AsyncAPI SIG meeting 71 (April 19, 2022)

Description

This is the recording for the AsyncAPI Special Interest Group (SIG) meeting.

https://github.com/asyncapi/community/issues/317

Chat:
10:08:25 From Lukasz Gornicki : https://github.com/asyncapi/community/discussions/313
10:19:53 From Lukasz Gornicki : https://github.com/asyncapi/community/discussions/categories/asyncapi-conf-2022-organization
10:27:34 From Lukasz Gornicki : temp-gsod-2022
10:31:00 From Lukasz Gornicki : https://github.com/asyncapi/community/discussions/284#discussioncomment-2579356

A

um Good morning um welcome to asking api community meeting. Please um remember that this meeting for a transparency reasons with the rest of the community, it's being recorded.

A

And will be uploaded to youtube uh right after or a few hours after this meeting, and this way we start with first topic. So you remember last last, um like two weeks ago, during last meeting I was I was talking about this new approach for meeting scheduling the whole automation that we're doing so that's the last meeting that is not live streamed. uh So it's the last community meeting where that is organized with the uh with the old flow, um where we just um record it.

A

But then we upload it the next meeting um in two weeks it will be live streamed um and but you will still be able, of course, to join uh through zoom but yeah.

A

It's just gonna be um available uh exactly right after the meeting as a live stream on youtube and other platforms, um so yeah it's if it comes to the introduction um so yeah before we jump into um agenda items, even though there are no agenda items and like is there anyone here for the first time, would you like to introduce yourself to the community say something? That's the the best moment to do it now.

A

I mean you're welcome to unmute and say something if you want. Of course um you don't have to.

B

Okay, hello, everyone, hello, guys and yeah, I'm just new in here, uh as you can see, I'm interested in google season of those program with the sign api and my name is muhammad rafa. You can call me I'm from indonesia, so yeah nice to meet you. Everyone.

A

Nice meeting you um are you, the the guy that already met alejandra and did the mentoring session with her. Do I recall it correct.

B

A

Cool so yeah welcome great.

A

um Anyone else would like to add something.

A

Anyone or anybody.

A

Okay, so um again I have one topic. I I'd like to discuss the conference topic, but um but yeah um first things: first like the community. First, so um does anyone have any specific topic, you'd like to discuss or you'd like to ask about? You can ask about anything. um So I guess that people, some people are here to ask about more details for google summer of talks, but if not, then it's fine but yeah anyway, uh not summer of dogs, season of ducks yeah, so yeah. Anyone any questions.

A

It feels like monday.

A

Okay, um so there's just one topic from my side last time I talked about mentioned the conference as an api conference. So let me link you to a discussion.

A

So um we we basically.

A

Have a discussion about where to organize the conference, because last year, during the online conference, we had a survey with our community.

B

A

A majority of people opted in for a hybrid approach for the conference for 2022, which means have it still available online, but also in person, so the community can also meet face to face, and um so far it still looks like we want to do it in europe, and we are we're just having a discussion on what is the best location uh for europe uh and during last meeting I discouraged us from using uh from using from doing it uh in my country so uh because I'm I'm, I live in poland and it's too close to the to the war in ukraine.

A

So um yeah. Looking on the news on what's uh what's happening to the tourism uh here, uh it's it's better not to to organize it in um in countries that are close to the conflict um because it may affect community like many people might choose not to come because of the of the war um and in the discussion.

A

um There are topics that, like it might be south of uh it might be organized in the south of um europe basically and southwest.

A

Which is, I think that the most liked idea is still canary island, um so yeah, I just wanted to highlight sanji ling. If you want to join the discussion, um please do it, um we might I'm like. So what do you think like should we should like?

A

Should we just follow the the emotions on on the comments and then just go ahead with canary island? Let's say because we anyway communicated uh clearly that we have this discussion, so people could join or do you think like in such topics we we should do some some votings and and engage a wider community, or should we at least maybe just narrow, uh some like just pick some ideas and then just have a voting focus on some specific ideas.

A

uh What's what do you think? What's your opinion folks.

C

um I I think we have to first, um I mean I would really like to have this on on canary island. To be honest, I love that place, and I guess most of us will too. The point is that we have to evaluate how difficult is to reach um canary island from other countries. You know the same for any other candidate or other city. You know like how how difficult is to get by plane.

C

You know because it might be super nice place, but if people cannot go there or is super expensive because they have to pick up like two planes or whatever.

C

I think this is the most critical part, in my opinion, for choosing like whatever we choose. Of course, good cities will be there like with good weather, blah blah blah blah that's easy to get.

C

But the point is how to get into there into those cities, and I think we have to maybe we can um for where, whatever city we propose or whatever place, we propose to build up like some um demo of flying from poland, for example, flying from outside europe, europe. Flying from um I don't know africa flying from the us flying from, I don't know something like this and see how much it cost or how difficult it is.

C

D

We can get a really good idea. um This is the sort of thing we do need to consider, which is the accessibility of everyone getting here or where it is. Areas is indeed beautiful. Warm and wonderful trust me I'd like to go, but it very much does come down to if we rule out everyone in singapore because it just happens to cost a million pounds to get there.

D

You know it's not really fair, uh also the same way as there are some airports which are so easy to get to, but no one wants to go so a balance needs to be struck somewhere.

A

Yeah, okay um makes sense. Definitely, but then.

A

We should do a kind of survey, then, uh with the community like um because last year we uh we that did really simple survey about like if people really want to be uh to join in person or not so maybe we should actually do some. Another survey like uh promoted a lot on our social media to ask community like if we organize an event in person, uh tell us if you join and then, if you join, where you're coming from, etc, etc.

A

um Because, like I understand the idea of estimating like how difficult it might be to go to canary island, so, for example, from poland, it's easy it's just um we do fly there often I mean. I know people fly there, so there's just one one flight, but um it's hard to estimate um like. Should we assess, um for example, people coming in from argentina?

A

um Do we know if there's anyone actually plan planning to come, so I'm so what I'm thinking about? Maybe we should actually do some, um not sure how it's how it's called um professionally, but they kind of survey like of interest like who's interested.

A

um You know what I mean, what I'm trying to say.

A

B

Make a lot of sense.

A

Yeah, because um some some time ago, I was thinking like it's the most crucial decision like um we um actually a few weeks ago, I was thinking like um we can't even go further with um conference organization um because, like we don't even know where it's gonna happen and and when, but is it actually a kind of blocking decision like um we can actually already start working on a website?

A

We can actually already start working on prospectus on figuring out um the sponsor, tiers, etc, like we can do all these things, even though we don't know the location. Yet right I mean in the website we can just say it's gonna be in europe um and in between this and the states.

A

But it's going to happen for sure and then in the meantime, we can spend a bit more time on having a decision where exactly it's. um It should happen so like what do you think um um which um which one um makes sense like when I'm thinking it's blocking decision or it's not blocking decision? Actually, how do you look at these things like when you choose a conference?

A

um Is it important for you to know exactly where and when it happens, or this knowledge can come later.

A

Because sometimes I guess it's um especially when I was working on for corporation and we had budgets to travel, one of the most crucial decisions to make was like: where is it if it's in the city that I've been before or maybe some new location, so yeah? Let's, let's choose this conference there's.

D

A famous thing about from back in the days of academia where the biggest draw of studying astrophysics was the fact that most of the telescopes and their conferences were in hawaii, I'm not kidding. It was a huge, huge role when you literally got to go to why you entice it twice a year if you've got a faculty position for exactly that reason. However, this is the sort of thing where we have a lot of corporate sponsors. We probably should reach out and say: hey. We want to make this accessible.

D

Would anyone donate to a fund to make sure we can make this accessible.

D

Because it'd be great to be able to sponsor tickets to people who can't always make it most, corporates would just pay for a place if it's not ridiculous, it's only not flying people to the galapagos. We could probably post. Most of us who are corporately backed make it. I think no.

C

I'm also interested.

D

In the opinion that like safety comes first, as you mentioned events already, so it's where it's got the least corona restrictions, which makes sense as the easiest accessible is not on red lists, etc. Once that list is sort of sorted, I think, then we can get down to the details, but it's kind of like the from 200 countries. We need to get down to 10 or so short lists before it's really worth breaking those the criteria.

A

So, actually that's one of the most important questions on the questionnaire will be like. If you plan to come, are you coming as an individual or or you're, basically sponsored by by your company? If it comes to travels, yeah makes a lot of sense.

A

Okay, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna start right after this meeting, I'm gonna start another discussion to um to like to discuss the exact questions we should have in the questionnaire and and and let's let's do it so folks. uh Just remember that whenever we're having discussions on um on the conference- and you want to follow, I'm going to show you a link, there's a dedicated, um dedicated um category.

A

So every discussion should be categorized with this category, so it's easy to find.

A

Okay and and last question from my side, if it comes to the conference, do you think it would make sense to have a a dedicated call like a a irregular meeting every week? Let's say just focused on conference organization, um because I was always thinking like this community meeting is, is enough, but also like from last year.

A

My learnings is that sometimes it might um might make sense to have a a meeting just about given subject, because it's also much easier to to invite people like because they know that they will join only for this specific topic um and it might make it easier to organize work.

A

Review tasks, see what's what has to be done and get volunteers to help. So what do you think.

E

I think it makes sense.

D

Considering we have we when was we're actually just attending a conference as a corporate, we have a weekly meeting about the conference for the first four weeks ahead of the conference just to attend.

D

I think it would be a good idea to separate out also to make because of the conference itself versus, let's say the details of the specification: aren't really they are related, but not the same, and it will basically over co-opt one or the other yeah.

C

I only have a concern about this. I like the idea um there is one pro and con on the same thing, so you are targeting the right target right on this meeting.

C

At the same time, you I'm not sure if people will join like, for example, would you join ben nicole or I don't know ace, you know what I mean he's like.

D

I would happily join that I'd be more likely to join the one about the conference.

D

This simply because I feel I have a better input like I have a better input to that one, this one I like reading the notes too and listening to so I listen along to most of the recordings, but I do not always have like, but with the conference thing, I have a stronger input, I believe, because the organization conferences, whereas the spec stuff, I am really bought into understanding what happens next, but at the moment I don't have much to contribute.

A

Does that make sense, yeah yeah.

A

Yeah, okay, so anyway, um it means after this meeting, I'm gonna create another discussion, um also under the same link, so um to discuss like to see interest in the meeting and already get a suggestion like when we should organize it. What a days and what hours, uh if we all want to have it.

D

Oh last query about this um because we are very international by default. The the way space apps if you're, familiar with the nasa kind of conference hackathon works, is effectively there are like delegate area like delegate based is in various cities around the world. But the idea is that each because it's impossible to collocate everybody, there's often a main event and some satellite events connected.

D

Let's say we could easily put a effectively it's much smaller, but watch party slash, um you know, live con live access from somewhere in singapore if the rest of it happens to be in new york, allowing let's say people in the region, at least to gather at a lower key level, but at least be part of something.

D

There are options around this kind of stuff which do exist uh also from my dave's g20 entrepreneurial association. Who did things similar to this? To basically allow countries, people in countries who couldn't easily reach values too, to basically be part of an event, still funded still with some level of conference communities that even managed to flag out them.

A

But what do you mean like like a kind of up or yeah.

D

So, fundamentally, let's say we're the main event in frankfurt, because you just get to a big airport right um and you know 70 percent of people get there, but we also put a satellite event in I don't know singapore or, let's say argentina somewhere somewhere, where a more local hub to the region it's actually in and what you end up doing, then, is you basically have you know? Maybe only 10 or 20 people actually aren't hiring presents there.

D

However, the advantage, then, is that that 10, 20 or 30 people have a very strong buy-in, because you get the advantage that one they can basically be dialed in on a big screen. They can still sit down together, enjoy talks because they're all streamed remotely anyway, but also because it's still a chance to meet up in person. It's just lower key, but still you know it's better than nothing.

D

I'm happy to raise this more at a follow-up meeting, because it's a very much.

A

Yeah yeah, it's actually a very interesting um idea. The model I've seen work.

D

Really well in the past, even pre-pandemic, they're, specifically.

A

Yeah pre-covered, so can you, um as I will create two other discussions? Can you create uh uh already a separate discussion in community repo uh to to highlight this idea because.

D

It's just an issue: isn't it to create a new.

A

D

A

Discussion actually but yeah, it's like an issue cool and um because I um I know that we have like, as you said, like the community asking api, has it's like across the world, so might be that there are people in specific locations that would be interested and we could even think on finding a budget to actually organize some room, for that uh would be interesting. It also it keeps.

D

It really international as well, which I really like.

C

In fact could become like part of sponsorships like one sponsor that has offices in that place could be like become sponsors just by organizing this, maybe or you know, yeah like. I think it's a really good idea.

A

Sounds good okay, cool.

A

Any other comments if it comes to the conference.

A

Okay cool, so um I already told you about meetings. I told you about the conference.

A

um So if anyone joined the meeting because of google season of docs um and has some questions about it, I I can't really give you much answers um because the uh google summer of season of docs it's um coordinated by alejandra, but I can tell you definitely to join and there's a slack channel.

A

Let me copy the name of the channel.

A

This is the name of the channel. It's a temporary channel that we created to basically coordinate and the setup of the of the whole mentorship for google season of dogs and.

A

And yeah just join there ask your questions there. uh For now we have two projects there and budget for these two projects in one of them, I'm also a a mentor with alejandra, because I also have some technical writing background.

A

But if there's anyone who like um especially like because the it's google season of uh docs- and you might say it's just documentation- but actually it's not only like um one of the projects- is to rework um documentation for the asking api generator.

A

So actually um it's not just about mentorship of um how to approach writing documentation, but sometimes you might need to have a a mentor, a technical mentor to explain you some things about the tool that you're gonna document. um So um my question to mentors like potential mentors. If anyone anybody on the call or watching the recording is maintainer and would like to um yeah help uh in technical interviews with um between the technical expert and the and the tech writer, then yeah um just join this channel as well. Please.

A

B

uh I can read the mentor for the cli docs: rework right.

A

Oh yeah perfect, thank you, so yeah yeah, one of the things, as far as I remember, is yeah exactly the cli thingy. um I think we already already learned over a few prs that we don't update, docs and and this stuff has to be um automated and integrated with the website. So.

A

Thank you so big.

A

Okay, so last from my site, just an update, because again I talked about it two weeks ago.

A

Long story short we applied also for google's summer of code. We did not. We are not accepted, do not say we were rejected and instead we came up with the idea of have having our own asking api mentorship and that we sponsor from um through our um budget that comes from the sponsors um and yeah. The situation now is that uh three days ago, um I summarized all the all the ideas about the mentorship, how it's supposed to work and submitted it for technical steering committee voting.

A

So this is a link to the my comment where I pinged technical string committee um and so far we're getting on the yes answers, uh even not only from technical string committee members, but the community as well, which is great so so far so good if you're interested with the program have a look there, um because in my previous comments I was always writing in text blog of text, which was pretty hard to to follow. I guess so. I created a a kind of timeline, so you can see what deadlines are.

A

um Are there? So we basically wait until the end of this week for for voting uh of the technical stream committee and so far it looks like, of course, um there will be an agreement from the tsc.

A

So yeah have a look on the timeline there.

A

Okay, so now it's really all the topics that I had on my list. Any questions.

A

Any other topics.

A

You sure, because next time we're gonna meet, it's gonna be in two weeks.

C

Okay, three, I I have one thing ah you made it um it's something that we discussed on slack recently about giving updates on areas on a sync api like, um for example, I do them.

C

I usually do a weekly update about the spec and parsers area, where I include some some the work we are doing in some of them of of the repositories on async api organization, github organization, um but also there are other people like parfano here, jonas, that are making their their own status on other areas.

C

uh Recently jonas created a put request for a blog post, with some updates on the tooling area and well for context. We were creating those updates in our own, so it's completely outside of like any official or umbrella of async api and, for example, in my case I created them in in gist github keys.

C

I know some others, like, I think, missy's using notion whatever the point is that jonas created a put request for um publishing a blog post about some of the tooling um updates, and I really like the idea- and I think it would be worth to evaluate the idea of having more kind of official updates to the community or turning all of those into something more readable and deliverable.

C

I was, for example, talking with a community member like five minutes ago. uh He told me I'm gonna, I I have been like two or three weeks out of of any technology and things because family stuff- and I I need now to to catch up- and I didn't really know where to prepare him. You know like uh you, can check out my geez and then maybe check out jonas one marvano, but I kind of miss something more official like something that can be consumed by in the website.

C

For example, my question is: um would it make sense to tune all those things into deliverables like blog posts or even have a new section on the website?

C

I don't know we'd be weekly or monthly updates.

A

um But isn't the isn't it? What uh janus wants to achieve, with the blog to actually consolidate the the updates.

C

Or I don't think so: no.

E

It is, but it's only tooling side like I hadn't, really thought about the rest of the of the areas.

A

Yeah yeah, but um majority is actually tooling right.

B

Because I'm still doing my updates.

A

Like the I'm I'm, I started writing the update on the on other areas, let's say um but then a few months ago. I stopped writing about tools because there was just too much of it. So that's why I, for example, like the idea that uh jonas did that there's a blog post dedicated to new things about tooling, uh so, wouldn't it or I'm not or I'm missing something.

C

Yeah, for example, there are other areas that are missing right, like what changes or what is happening in the spec. This is not included in in jonah's, tooling, update or what's happening in. uh I don't know whatever other area design.

C

Events education, I don't know, what's happening on there right people might want to get these updates as well, and maybe they don't know where to get it.

A

So um just to clarify, did you see, maybe the draft that I created that for the blog post that I'm writing, so you basically meant that such a blog post you'd like to have more often than once, a three months.

A

I would say yes, yeah, that's definitely gonna be difficult, uh uh so I switched my uh frequency of the blog post, basically because of the amount of things that happen around.

A

um So that's why I switched now to every three months update.

A

But if that's missing, um then let's.

C

Maybe not maybe it's not missing and we are over informing. You know, maybe the work I'm doing by myself, because I thought it was cool to do it and useful. Maybe it's not needed.

C

Maybe we can ask the community for how often they want those updates, maybe from a contributor point of view. Maybe they want it more often from a consumer or user. Maybe three months is okay.

C

I don't know, maybe it's worth to do a survey or open a discussion I can. I can do it.

A

Dunno uh I mean so when I when I was when I started doing updates two years ago. It was every two weeks, then I started doing it after a year. I started doing it every month.

A

um Now I switched to every three months and, to be honest, I haven't have a single feedback saying like I should do it more often or that they are missing the update.

A

I know that there are regularly people um reading those and I still see value in them, even if only 50 people read them because there might be these people might be some strategists or someone uh who needs these updates and it's still worth providing, but I'm what I'm just trying to say is that, like um so far, nobody ever uh expressed anything openly about the updates.

A

um So, but so, let's try with the discussion. As you said, uh we might try to share it with the with the community on different channels and see what they think.

A

B

A

Personally, I know that, like I dropped tooling, I definitely dropped tooling, updates major um updates on tooling in my status updates.

A

So I'm I totally like the idea of having a separate block where the whole community of maintainers can actually push their tooling updates into one single article.

A

So you're gonna create the discussion after the call okay cool yeah.

A

um So once you do it, please send me a link, so I'm gonna update it and put it in the meeting notes. Okay, thank you.

A

Okay, folks, any other questions comments.

A

Okay looks like that's it uh monday almost finished um thanks a lot for joining um and yeah, see you in two weeks and, as I said at the beginning, um next meeting will be live streamed as all the other meetings and new meetings and asking api. Everything will be always live, streamed and available light right after the meeting, but we of course still meet on zoom.

A

Have a good day.

A