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https://github.com/asyncapi/community/issues/426

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Hello, everyone.

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Hello, um am I hamayodebu.

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um Hi, everyone um welcome to the hsnkpi community meeting.

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Community meeting um um the um s kpm community meeting, which is wakash, is not currently available, he's on vacation and I'll be stepping up for him, and I'm I'm really hoping I get to do this more often.

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um So I'm really glad to be given the opportunity to host this today's community meeting and I'm looking forward to like to discuss any more stuff around the secret community with you folks. um So.

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We're gonna wait for a few minutes to see if more people are gonna join um okay, we have eunos.

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Hi eunice, hello,.

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Yeah I'm doing great man, nice.

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Nice, nice.

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Yeah, I was quite nervous at least you're here now.

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Yeah, I just woke up so a bit rough yeah.

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Thanks for joining eunice, yeah.

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Is there anything specific on the agenda today.

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Yes, of course, so um we have like um four four things on the agenda, um so we have like discussions around the new sync api community website section, and we also have a discussion around the skpi conference website.

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And we also have discussions around sync api research based on the second pair use cases which um high and ismail myself are working on, and we are also like interested in bringing other contributors that have interest.

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Nice, well, that's almost a full agenda. I guess.

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Yes, so it would have been lovely if we have is my hair, but it seems he wouldn't be able to join because he was saying something he was writing something about how essentia pi is contributing to the climate change. It would have been a really nice discussion, so I guess he isn't here to like say much more about that, so he promised it would join the next community meeting to have a whole discussion around that.

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Yeah, so um to save ourselves to save our time, I'm just going to like dive into the first agenda, which is um discussion around the async api community website. So over the last couple of weeks, I've been doing a little research on how because uh hayan wukash had a discussion privately um around. You know the new async api community website, which would be inside this api website itself. So we are going to like have a particular section called slash community where how community related stuff will be living.

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So I have a simple hat direction, which I'm going to share.

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Are you sharing it in other yeah.

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Yeah, I'm sharing my screen now. Can you see my screen? Yes, okay, great, um so I've been working on. You know I I'm not a pocket designer, but we are also looking for designers after this call, if you are interested in, you know contributing to the sync api community website design, we're looking for designers. So after this call I'm going to open an issue concerning all the things that are needed to help push this section forward, so I added a new navigation drop down, which is called overview.

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So once I click on the overview, then I have this simple hatch direction. I'm currently working it, so you can ignore the text. The text adjusts there. You know for reference purposes for now, so most of the text will be changed so.

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So we have four columns here. We have one which is advocate programs which will later be renamed to ambassador programs, so we have a section for event and meetups. We have the one for community members. We have a section that says start contributing, so we also like have other sections that explain some aspect of the community.

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We say community platforms where the community discussions have been held, like slack and the rest, so we have event animators, where the latest recurring event will be displayed on the right hand panel.

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We also have a section for the advocate programs, which of course, is what we call an ambassador program.

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Then we have other sections like tutorials use cases, and also we also like looking forward to like having a community roadmap. So this is this. Is this: this is the actual direction I have right now. um I, if you have any opinion to share about what I'm currently putting together, please feel free to. Let me know.

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I mean it looks great, I'm not a signer either, but it looks great.

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Of course, I I'm not a designer also, you know I just have to like put something together.

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And you can see, I think we have jonas here also, sir, I'm sorry, I saw your picture.

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Oh in the circle, yeah, that's true is this in a pr already or is it something that's just being worked on behind.

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It's yeah. Currently, it's currently like walk down behind the bus. So after this call, I'm willing to like to bring other people on board to like help contribute to it, especially designers and also people that could help. You know changing the context, and you know everybody would have an opinion around how what it would look like and some suggested suggested changes. So I was thinking after the call I'm going to like open a pr and some issues for anybody interested to to contribute and I'm going to share it in the general slack channel.

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um Sorry confused.

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Yeah, so that's just um the the main. um The current progress on the community section website, and also we also like, have a discussion that I was saying. Okay. This would be a great opportunity to like share it with the whole community members on this call. um So we are having a discussion around you know, being able to book appointments with um technical austerity and tsa members, technical sharing committee.

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So maybe we we have like people that actually like use this as a kpi specification that have you know, questions they would love to ask, but would prefer you know, asking those questions on a call on a one-on-one call with um tsa members or an instance is maybe somebody had a question concerning modelina. Maybe there is a modelina in in their projects and they would love to like talk to some of the maintainers of modelina, so we're thinking of having an office hour for technical student committee which is voluntarily so it doesn't have to be.

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You don't have to like do it right, but if you're interested you could say, okay, um I'm I'm always available for sure. I'm always available every monday for one hour or for 30 minutes right. So it's going to be there on the community website, so you can book an appointment with one of them without any containers.

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So you can have a discussion with them. It doesn't have to be recorded. It can be private one-on-one meeting. So I was thinking. Does that sound like a good idea, or is there a better approach to you know to doing that.

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That's a good question because.

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I know, for example, jason schema community is doing it at the moment in a sense, but it's more an open meeting and but it's it's kind of only related to like, if you have any questions regarding the specification or anything else, just join and ask away um but yeah. It's interesting, I'm not sure how I feel about it.

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I mean it's a proposal right so yeah.

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A link for it. No, no, I don't have a link now. So I'm gonna like start a discussion in the community repo around that, so everyone can like drop their opinion because to me it seems cool, but to others it might not sit cool. So everyone is open to share their thoughts.

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Yeah for sure so, and I was I was I was thinking you know it doesn't have to be just the developers right, so it could also be you know an example is maybe um you could have called with the people inside of the east kpi design system. So you guys could like talk about.

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I don't know what they used to talk about, but we're thinking not just to limit it to just developers right. We could also, you know, bring in technical writers and stuff also because we have what kind of contributors are testing api.

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But it's a torque mainly focusing on, for example, new contributors, or is it more in terms of.

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I don't want to say business related, but like those that integrate with the libraries we have or is it for both.

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Yeah, I think it is for both, but uh if I can remember clearly, I think what cash was saying something around. You know those people that are actually using um snk api in a business perspective right, so it was saying they have to in some way kind of sponsor the project to like have access to technical, studying committee of the thing, I'm not sure how what it meant exactly.

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I think that yeah so yeah, so it's in terms of so for more professional support. I guess it's a paid option in essence, that goes to the contributors most likely yeah.

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Exactly I think, yeah yeah.

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Of course yeah that wouldn't make sense that was also in what's it called in english, like in in synthesize, like give them a carrot like for doing it right, you can give contributors a reason to actually do it as well. So I think.

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That makes sense yeah exactly exactly that makes sense thanks enough.

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Yeah, so um the the third thing we have on on the agenda is actually um the snkpik studies so uh or use cases in in none of that time.

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So hi and smile we're like having a discussion around you know having a use cases session for async api. So I think, uh and we I was also arguing with you cash about um if you, if it should sit in the community section that is currently under development or we should have a new um slash like it's kpi slash use cases.

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So so it makes more sense to actually have like slash use cases than you know having it under the community section. So we we currently post. There is currently um an issue.

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um Give me a few seconds I need to like okay.

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There is already a discussion going um around that I'm gonna shade link.

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Yeah, so um I will share this link on on the youtube stuff.

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Can you can you help.

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I'm actually not sure if lucas fixed my issue, because at some point I couldn't write any links there. Let me see if I can.

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No, I can okay, two things. I need to. Oh.

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Okay, um let me give it a try um and it's like tried.

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I just need to log out on logan, I think or.

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Okay, I have no idea how to do this.

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Yeah the problem is, youtube, is filtering out my comments, so maybe just I don't know you can add them to slack channel and they can.

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Okay: okay, someone over here actions, yeah thanks, actually yeah. So we there is a current discussion going on around you know about the hskpi use cases, and we are also like looking for help. You know, because high and ismail I'm actually like in charge of implementing it so and it's my is in charge of doing um some research, and so we also like. um I was also like thinking you know in order to make these use cases. Okay, studies a little bit broad. I was thinking if there could be a way we could.

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Actually you know interview people that are that are using um the async api specification in production or somehow like and and make it recorded. You know yeah, we could also we could have people that, can you know write it down. I know not, not everyone would be interested in. You know, opening on a call right, so I was thinking well if we have people that are like interested in opening on a call and having a discussion around how they are using this kpi and it could. It could make more sense, but I was thinking.

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Is that really necessary.

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I don't think it is necessary, but it might be for some use cases of some people, because in general people don't at least, I think, there's more in there's more of it's easier to get use cases out of people. If you reach out to them directly and most most of the use cases you get, there will probably in some way or another, be have some kind of shrouded in secrets in some cases.

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So it means that you have to filter out certain things. I could imagine, and that would be a bit of problematic if you did, that in open calls right or if it's, if it's not in one-on-ones,.

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So yeah it probably needs a lot of uh drive. I would say to bring in maybe maybe I'm wrong. Maybe people want to share as much as well. I don't know.

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Okay, I I think you have um a point there. um You know, so I think it should be better if you just you know, start very simple by just making people like judge um or write their use cases down.

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At least they can filter stuff out there, unlike when we are having a car and it would it wouldn't be easy to like filter some stuff out and what is what then, what is the history of it being an open call if we have to like filter a lot of stuff out, so I'm pretty sure we could like find. You know a way around it, and I'm also pretty sure you know some people might say: oh, we want it out there.

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You don't need to like filter anything house, but some people might also be careful and say: oh, we don't want you to put this thing out there. You know it would be a lot of work for us, but I'm pretty sure with as time goes, would eventually know what next step to do, because it's actually um it's actually a good thing for us to have use cases on the async api website right. So.

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I also think it would be an idea, because the last conference we had there was a lot of use cases. If I remember correctly right, it might be worth reaching out to those that did a talk on their use case, whether they want to like put anything in writing or help them do it. That might be possible as well. I don't know.

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Yeah, of course, that that I think that would even make it easier to like reach out to some set of people that already you know shared their use cases. Of course thanks venus, so I shared the comment. The I shared the link to the discussion if you're interested in helping out in some ways, so please feel free to like join the discussion.

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um So we also have a discussion on the agenda. We also have something around the essence of a mentorship program.

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So I'm currently the person, organizing the mentorship program now and I can see like a lot of people- are a lot of the participants are actually like enjoying the program and and for some reason some of them couldn't join the the meetings we've had so far concerning the mentorship program. For some reason uh you know it is my first time and I'm trying also to like not make them feel like ace, is watching them right.

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You I'm not watching you, I'm only trying to help you keep being organized and you know being your point of contact. If you have issues, if you need anything or some discussions, you don't want to like um reach out to your mentors for so good so far.

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For some reason, some folks could enjoy the meeting so far, I'm still going to like keep preaching outstanding uh and also we are also like applying or we are also like taking on participating, not even thinking we are going to participate in um um outreachy um the upcoming outreach program.

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So I think the application is open and I'm going to like um write um an application draft and send it to alejandra to help review because trust me she's good, like she got it to google, some of of dogs, so she could like she could help us review the application and help us like get into outreach. So if, if you, if you couldn't, you know, join the current escape mentorship program, so I think you could like join via outreachy once we get accepted, I'm being positive, we're going to be we're going to get accepted.

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So that's one of the things around the mentorship program um and also for those that are currently participating in the async api mentorship program. I can say, like a lot of their mentors, are like on vacation, so they they are. Actually, you know not progressing so much because they want to like have calls with their mentors and their mentors are currently somewhere on the beach.

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And so so you guys would have to you know. You know- and I would even say you guys would have like keep calm and currently work on what you can, while your mentors are back so and also like reach out to me, if you think I can help and feel free to like buzz you on us. Also, I think, jonas, you you you.

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Yeah, so I think you you're not also have mentees, I guess I don't know you see you know, so you guys should feel free to reach out to jonas. If you have any questions concerning your projects, I'm sure jonas would be um would also like be helpful, like a lot of been helpful of.

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Course, I'll help any way I can yep.

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um So I think that's that's inheriting on my agenda and if you have anything you would like to share or discuss, please feel free.

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I have one thing I want to highlight: okay,.

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um Can you let me share my screen all right: okay,.

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One, I think, that's it yeah. I said so. I started a discussion around a roadmap for madelina uh for what will should happen after version one is released because it's right on the doorsteps, um so the vision for modelina, or at least what I propose it should be- is that it becomes the absolute go-to solution for generating models for apis and.

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To achieve that, I set out three goals just to keep it very simple and the first one is focusing on contributions.

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So this means I've just set the goal that 250 contributors and at least two champions per area of responsibility, because in modeling we we split up the area of responsibility in terms of code owners, so you can be a code owner for the java generator or the typescript, or this is sharp one, because yeah each language is very unique in many ways, and it's rare or it's more rare and to have contributors that got into multiple languages right or has the experience.

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So that's the first goal- um and this also means that all of the this one-year plan, all of the proposed tasks or to achieve the goals will be written in a sense that makes it easy for first-time contributors or at least in a sense, make it challenging, but still easier for more experienced ones. So it has a few layers.

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The next one is, I propose that we have at least three ways to serialize the models, so this means that you can serialize with variation, but not everyone wants to use json, so so the other one is to serialize it into xml and invent binary, and this also includes using different libraries.

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So, instead of only supporting one, very specific json, serialization library, it means supporting multiple based on your use case, of course, and then final one is regardless of whatever input you have. Modlina should support it, so whether you are using json schema, whatever draft version you're using. We support it. If you use arrow json type definition, graphql schema, protobuf, open api, 3.1 schemas, because 3.0 is already supported.

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Even postman collections, you can generate data models based on that.

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And all of these goals and vision is rooted within the async api roadmap, or at least in some sense, and and see. I even forgot to finish that sentence, so that's perfect, um but yeah feel free to jump into the discussion. Why is your opinion? What marlena could be for you on what you see in terms of the goal? Should it be changed should? Is it true not ambitious enough? Should it be less ambitious whatever it might be, but yeah? That's just what I wanted to share.

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Oh, um that seems pretty cool and I love the fact that uh at the top of of the goals it is about contributors- and you know it makes some more sense, yeah, because.

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There's no way a single person or a few people can do this alone, because it's it's too complex. So it's all about the contributors.

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Oh cool, so um jonas just dropped a link in the description below. um um Actually can you share this link also on the youtube channel, so so feel free to jump into the discussion. If you are interested in helping modelina in some way and yeah, I also have a question um jonas, so I think one of one of the uh ckpi mentees. What was like having this discussion with me and about you know not understanding the actual project the person is contributing to yeah.

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I I understand like um he or she got selected for the project, but now he he doesn't understand like the whole, uh like the overall of the project, you know he just wants to contribute and also like participate and then reality caught up to him and he found out.

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He doesn't even understand what the project is about or how the project works, and it was funny because I was like okay, but I thought you you like got selected from the project right and you're like yeah, I got selected, but I don't wanna sound like what if it actually does and I was laughing, I was like, oh that that seems pretty cool, because I I actually found out because he said according to what he said and I could say there weren't enough documentation for him or her to like understand what the product actually does or how the project is being used, and I was like okay now this is coming from a first-time contributor.

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I guess- and now I was thinking we we have to like do something about that. You know an example of those projects are glee right, we say glaze and api phase two and they're. Like you know, I don't really understand one api. First.

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So so I I was, I was thinking you know it would make sense if you know we start. You know even stop making short videos about this. These tools right it doesn't have. It could just be. You know, an interactive videos, um a very short video, three minutes, four minutes to actually like explain what this project does and how it actually works. uh You know, because I was so surprised I was like for real, and you know in discussions like this and I'm like. I think that that that is the main reason.

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I'm I'm like organizing a project the program right, because I'm pretty sure discussions like this, the mentee would not subjectively mentor about that. Imagine me saying: um jonas, uh I got selected for your project. It's been it's been a couple of weeks, but I don't understand what mudaliner does.

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Yes, that's true, that's that's always something that can happen and even though that you think you know it, then all of a sudden you gain more knowledge of it and then eventually, you're like I have no idea what the I'm doing.

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Course it was funny because I know like this particular person is still struggling to to even understand the concept of kafka and you already want to start. You know doing this adding features to glee, which is related to kafka, and I was like okay, I'm pretty sure you don't want to ask fran about this question, but it's okay. If you ask me.

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Yeah, I mean, I think it's always good to read like if you are unsure like do some research right, but if it still doesn't click then then reach out on the slack channel and just say: okay, I don't get this. This is how I understand it, but it doesn't make sense in terms of whatever and it.

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Even so, if you started on a project, for example, and you deep dive into the library and then all of a sudden you're like I have no idea what this is doing, raise an issue if there's no documentation for it just raise an issue and saying this: can anyone clarify whatever this means and then one of the maintainers probably say? Okay, so here's how it works and that's easier for you, for example, or another maintainer or another contributor, to take those descriptions and force them into the documentation.

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So it becomes like a positive circle of reinforcement.

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So whenever you encounter every any problems or something isn't well enough described, it's the perfect way to contribute in a sense yeah, because that positive feedback loop is really important because you have the fresh eyes whenever you start a new project or start on a project that you've never seen before. You have the fresh eyes that the maintainers, just don't have so absolutely important.

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Yeah that that makes a lot of sense because I was like you know: the maintainer already has enough knowledge. He actually in some way built the project or contributed so much to the project or, unlike you that you're just like getting started with the project, you would get lost and it is okay to just say. Oh, I don't think I understand what is going on and you we would album.

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We would actually see how or why you couldn't understand what is going on and in in this present case it was actually because there were not enough documentation or something to make reference to yeah.

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Yeah, so we also according to what I'm thinking I'm going to start a discussion. Also around you know, um skpi projects that contributors feel need some more documentation or some sort of um well explained.

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um I don't know, maybe in terms of videos or something that can make it easy for them to like start contributing, while having a good background of how the project works and also how to use the project.

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Yeah, that makes sense, and also it's important, to know that the maintainers probably also want this video. So if you want to create such a video or more in-depth, for example like reaching out to the maintainers, they probably will give you the time for you to learn more about the tool or, if you have any questions, help you answer them.

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Yeah, of course, I think I think the maintainer is actually would be the core background of the videos, because they have enough knowledge about the project.

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Yeah yeah, but maybe not the video skills or even the the speaker experience if they want to create videos right yeah. I speak from experience here because I don't know about the video I can talk about the technical stuff, but putting it into a video. That's just it's not me, but if.

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Someone else wants.

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To do it, I want to help them like anyway,.

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I can so yeah yeah, so I'm going to start a discussion around that and I'm also like we could also have contributors in terms of contributing videos right. It doesn't have to be code. You know I I we could have. We could say. Contributors are interested in also like appearing, and you know discussing stuff, and it would make more sense.

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So, if you're interested in joining like in in in in making these videos or you you want to like share or you've come across some escape project- that you feel needs more documentation in some sort of way. So you should feel free to let join your discussion it would. I would make a reference to the link in the general slack channel after the call and start the discussion, and also, I think one more thing also is the insight back on french website. um So, as me see, missy did a great design.

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I was like, oh my god. This is awesome.

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It was like one of the coolest thing I've seen and it's just it's just crazy, because the architecture she does she said was actually a streets in barcelona and I couldn't wrap my head around that. I was like what.

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Oh, you said it laying on slack.

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Oh coco, so um so, if you, if you, if you're interested in you, know contributing and help you know bringing this design to life, I would I'm actually. You know, I think, I'm doing tax to doing this, but I don't want to do it alone. I also want to like be bringing up contributors along if you're interested in helping bring the designs to life. You can feel free to like join the discussion in I think jonas just shared the link on is that is that a link to the conference website.

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The previous links that we just.

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Okay, okay, okay, so I'm gonna share the link to the conference page.

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I just shared it on the zoom charts yeah, so you can feel free to join the discussion um about the conference website and I'll help. Us, you know, share your feedbacks on what you think can be improved on or if you're interested in helping implementing it I'll be glad to like. Have you help?

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So I think that's everything on my agenda. So if you have any question, please feel free to to ask.

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Okay, um sorry, I'm selfish uh hi soviet. I just saw your message, um so I would definitely reach out to you also concerning glee. I think he works on glee. Also um so yeah thanks god, soviet.

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To the community, can you please drop the link of that community page pr yeah? Actually, the pr isn't ready yet, but I would make sure I open the pr for the section after the call today.

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Yeah, so if, if you have, if there is no question um I'll, just you know go around like in summary, summarize everything we've discussed today, um so the first thing we discussed was the ethics community section which um I've been working on for quite some time doing some research.

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um So I would open a link to a pr and I'll share a link to the pr after the call, so if you're interested in helping implementing it. So we also like discuss, uh have a discussion around technical study committee office hours so which we are select, not sure. If that would work or not.

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So we also have a discussion around basic kpix case studies. um I we've shared a link to that already. If you're interested in helping you know, get our case studies or have an opinion around how you think we should implement these use cases um we also like would would have had a discussion um about how a ckpi is like helping contributing to the climate change, which was so surprising to me.

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I had no idea until I read the the blog post by ismail, so I think let me share the the link to the blog post if you're interested in reading it. um Have you read it yours, I'm.

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Very surprised.

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That makes so much sense.

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So if you're interested, I just shared the link to the um can you help me put it on slack, um you know yeah, we'll suggest. Okay, I just shared the link to ismail's blog post on how escapia is making a dent on climate change. So you can see. We are not just writing code. We are actually saving planet heads so in some ways, so.

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In the next community meeting, we are going to be having a smile where it would be able to like take us in depth about this particular topic.

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So we also like discussed our discussion around skpi mentorship program and how we'll be participating on in outreachy so and also the issues some of the contributors or the participants are having concerning some of these projects they are contributing to and how we would resolve them.

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So um that's that's everything we discussed, but no, no one more thing. We also like discussed um jonas uh madalina road map on how we can like get engaged. So I think you, you already shared the link to the discussion. So if you're interested I'm interested, you know I'm one of those people. I want to become your superstar or what did you a champion yeah but a champion?

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So um if you want to become a champion also- or you want to contribute, feel free to join the discussion, you can find the link on the slack channel.

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So I think that's that's everything we discussed.

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uh uh Yeah for the for the next community meeting, who would have lu cashback? You know nobody can carry replace wukash, I'm trying my best or unless I get him killed. So I look like I'm.

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Just going forward like you will have it each and everyone and like every time you will be the host and lucas can just sit back and relax.

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He's gonna cry.

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He'll be fine.

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Yeah, it's polishing yeah. So um I'm sorry, I I'm not gonna go down easily so.

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As it should be,.

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Yeah, so uh that's everything for today's community meeting thanks so much for joining. If you have any question, um feel free to like drop it in the snap channel. um So I hope you guys have a wonderful day see you guys in the next comment meeting see ya bye.