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From YouTube: AsyncAPI SIG meeting 6 (Apr 16, 2019)
Description
This is the recording for the AsyncAPI Special Interest Group (SIG) meeting #6.
Attendees:
- Emmelyn Wang
- Fran Méndez
- Jonathan Schabowsky
- Marc DiPasquale
- Rubén Hervás
Moderation:
- Fran Méndez
Agenda:
No agenda, but we discussed how to improve user-facing documentation and help onboarding contributors.
Chat records:
18:07:34 From Emmelyn Wang : https://github.com/u1i/axway-wcam-lab
18:40:33 From Emmelyn Wang : https://hub.packtpub.com/google-introduces-season-of-docs-that-will-connect-technical-writers-and-mentors-with-open-source-projects/
18:41:42 From Emmelyn Wang : Have we applied? https://opensource.googleblog.com/2019/03/introducing-season-of-docs.html If not, I'd like to do so.
18:50:11 From Emmelyn Wang : https://aws.amazon.com/architecture/icons/
A
Great
so
today,
I
didn't
want
to
on
this
meeting.
So
much
so
like
I've
been
doing
in
the
past,
so
I
have
nothing
really
relevant
to
share
nothing
else.
Then
I've
been
writing
the
commutation
right
like
crazy
and
writing
a
getting
started
guide
just
for
that
for
people
to
get
started,
especially
with
the
specification,
but
not
entering
so
much
in
the
tool
inside,
because
we
don't
have
to
do
it
so
so
yeah.
A
This
is
what
I've
been
doing
lately
I'm
gonna
be
working
on
on
on
the
tooling,
as
well
as
as
soon
as
I
have
some
documentation
and
also
on
the
extensions
catalog
which
is
gonna,
be
part
of
it's
gonna,
be
a
huge
part
of
the
person
too
and
yeah,
and
that's
pretty
much
what
I
mean
I
would
like
to
to
work
in
the
next
in
the
next
weeks,
plus
traveling
and
speaking,
which
everything
starts
next
week.
This
is
cool,
but
it's
gonna
be
it's
gonna
be
tiring
than
fun.
A
So
I
would
like
to
know
more
about
you
about
what
are
your
concerns
about?
How
can
I
help
you
collaborate
better
or
contribute
better,
or
if
there's
anything
we
can
do
ensue?
I'm,
not
gonna,
say
we
can
do
is
if
there's
anything
I
can
do
for
you
to
to
help
or
to
get
started
and
follow
me
a
little
bit
the
conversation
of
the
of
the
last
meeting
where
we
mentioned
to
do
some
kind
of
say:
how
do
we
say
that
we
mentioned
to
have
some
kind
of
to
for
reals
or
not
tutorials
workshops?
A
Sorry
I
couldn't
find
a
word
to
have
some
workshops
that
I
can
do
for
you.
You
get
introduced
to
the
specification
and
the
whole
or
the
tooling
the
existing
tool,
another
feature
one
and
the
concepts,
because
some
people
come
from
rest,
api's
and
and
it's
hard
to
change.
The
mindset
to
event-driven
and
and
also
json
schema,
because
because
schemas
in
async
api
are
based
on
json
schema
most
of
the
time,
it
can
also
be
a
something
that
stops
you
from
from
continue
to
working
or
basic
API
right.
A
B
I'm
delivering
a
technical
workshop
with
my
colleague
Olli
in
Singapore
and
I'm
gonna.
Send
it
to
you,
and
so
it
is
all
you
don't
have
to
install
anything
local
I'm,
trying
to
find
the
github
link,
and
so
the
reason
why
that's
helpful
is
I'm
gonna,
be
at
several
different
API
talks
and
I'll
mention
this
and
I'll
be
able
to
evangelize
async
API,
but
I'm
gonna
need
this
groups
support.
You
know
to
do
that,
and
so
here's
the
let
me
give
you
the
link
here.
B
So
this
is
just
kind
of
conceptually
the
idea,
and
so
my
thought
is
that
way.
Someone
like
me
who's.
You
know
on
the
road
I'll
be
at
of
course,
Singapore
API
days
next
week
of
starting
this
Friday
I'll,
be
at
the
Austin
homegrown
API
Meetup
May
night,
and
then
at
the
Nordic
API
summit,
speaking
May
13th
through
the
15th.
Some
of
you
might
be
there
as
well.
I
got
invited
to
the
zurich
api
days,
but
I
haven't
given
them
a
firm
answer
and
then
fraud,
you
and
I
will
both
be
in
Finland
in
June.
B
B
I
have
conversations
with
architects
and
QA
folks
as
well
as
what
we
can
talk
about
at
the
San
Francisco
API
days,
July
19th
and
that's
my
whole
bit
so
that
I
don't
take
of
the
whole
thing.
But
I
just
mentioned
I'll,
be
on
the
road
and
there's
a
lot.
I
can
do
to
talk
about,
and
hopefully
you
know,
educate
people.
A
A
A
B
A
A
B
A
C
So
yeah
so
I
think
right
now,
there's
sort
of
an
idea
which
I
think
we're
going
to
do
alright
I
know
I'm
coming
into
it.
Friends
seems
to
be
going
to
it
as
well
that
yeah
we're
basically
going
to
do
is
talk
at
partner
API
in
London
I,
think
it
20:50
first
I
think
ideas
again
sort
of
get
the
get
the
Gartner
folks,
as
well
as
the
kind
of
the
more
business
oriented
people
to
understand,
sort
of
what
value
ACP,
I
really
provides
and
then
sort
of
start.
C
Talking
out,
you
know
start
having
a
discussion
which
I
think
you
know
will
ended
20
also
towards
acts
based
direction.
Around
sort
of
how
facing
API
is
sort
of
a
foundational
piece
has
to
like.
You
know
why
you
need
that
from
an
event
management
perspective,
so
so
I
think
we're
just
we're.
Gonna
do
I
think
it's
a
thirty
minute
clock
monitor
who's,
ensuring
some
of
them
I
gotta
figure
out
today
again,
but
you
know
we're
a
platinum
sponsor
of
partner
API
in
London.
So
you
know
we
have
a
destiny,
did
speak
with
slaughter
and.
C
Identity
collaborations
fine,
and
you
know
and
I
know.
Obviously
Rubin
has
come
on
to
help
us
speed
up
the
the
go
generator
parser
right,
but
you
know
I,
think
I.
Think
one
thing
that
we
should
start
to
do
is
sort
of
sketch
out.
The
you
know
very
similar
I
think
to
emmalin
has
from
a
sort
of
like
misses
the
steps
that
you
do
in
order
to
use
the
spec.
C
But
again
it's
kind
of
one
of
those
things
that
without
sort
of
we
do
it
for
the
previous
version.
You
know
the
previous
mount
2.0,
but
then
it
is
kind
of
like
well.
We
just
have
to
redo
it
when
2.0
comes
out
right,
so
it's
like
I
know,
I
feel
like
I
know
what
we
need,
which
is
sort
of
a
step-by-step
tutorial
of
the
ways
which
you
can
use.
C
Async
API,
whether
it's
you
want
to
document
your
code
or
generate
your
code
or
like
whatever,
but
good
we're
in
that
sort
of
awkward
stage
of
zero.
Zero
is
coming
out.
So
where
do
we
put?
We
put
our
time
right.
I
think
that's
that's
to
me
that
the
challenge,
and
then
you
know,
and
then
how
do
we
support
emmalin
and
her
global
world's
or
it
sounds
like
she's
gonna,
go
on
and
still
be
able
to
get.
C
B
C
So,
like
the
demo
that
you
showed
me
or
showed
us
right
is
it's
obviously
like
pretty
advanced,
pretty
powerful,
using
open
API,
which
has
been
around
for
a
long
enough
time
that
there
is
supporting
tooling
right
I
feel
like.
Since
you
know,
this
is
sort
of
what
we
do
day
to
day
out.
There
I
still
think
that
the
world
has
to
understand
the
difference
between
a
synchronous,
API
and
an
asynchronous
API,
and
then
see
the
example
of
how
that
gets.
C
Modeled
in
a
C
key,
which
doesn't
necessarily
mean
you
have
to
have
the
tooling,
would
be
optimal.
I
think
I
mean
I.
Think
you
could
easily
fill
conference,
calls
just
explaining
the
pros
and
cons
between
the
different
API
styles
and
how
the
symmetry
that
acing
API
is
providing
supplementing.
Opening
key
is
really
the
Utopia
of
what
Enterprise
needs,
but
that's
that's
my
perspective,
given
where
we
are
today
so.
B
I
love
that
idea.
Jonathan
I
was
on
the
webinar
recently,
where
they
just
covered
the
difference
between
OAS,
two
and
three,
and
there
was
an
awesome,
high
level
diagram,
and
it
was
you
know,
smart
bear
that
did
this
and
I
think
that's
probably
what
I
need
to
do
is
create
a
hey.
Fran
I
saw
the
blog
post
gyro.
That
covers
the
same
topic.
B
A
B
C
A
B
B
We
build
on
top
of
it
and
say:
hey
what's
the
difference,
but
then
people
on
the
ground
right,
so
the
executives
want
to
know
all
right.
Why
should
I
pay
attention
to
this
thing?
Why
does
this
matter
and
then
that's
when
the
banking
conversations
come
in
right,
real-time
transactions?
How
how
accurate
do
you,
how
near
to
real-time,
is
your
business
hinging
on
these
api's
vs.
C
A
B
Hey,
Fran,
hey
Reuben,
you're,
seeing
companies
use
this?
What
do
you
recommend?
That's
what
they
really
want
to
know.
They
don't
want
to
jump
into
the
details
until
they
really
understand.
How
is
this
gonna
help
me
and
when,
when
do
I
decide
to
use
this
rather
than
you
know,
rest
or
soap
or
grass
ql
or
anything
else,
yeah.
A
Different
groups
of
people
with
different
knowledge,
like
people
come
in
from
first
time
for
the
first
time
to
even
driven
architectures
and
they
don't
know
anything
about
it.
So
this
is
the
message
there's
will
be
like,
like
you
were
saying
so
here,
look
you
have
some.
You
have
some
other
some.
You
have
other
ways
of
doing
the
same
things.
A
You've
been
doing
right
now,
like
instead
of
using
a
REST
API,
you
can
use
the
event-driven
api's
same
things
or
four
different
things
right
in
a
match,
real
time
way
or
whatever
you
want
to
sell
there
right,
but
you
have
to
be
speaking
in
this
in
this
case
about
even
driven
you
should
be
evangelizing
event-driven
and
not
so
much
async
API.
So
then
you
have
the
other
group
of
people
that
I've
seen
is
they
know
little
about
even
driven
they
they
don't
know
match.
A
They
probably
use
it
for
some
things,
but
yeah
that
they
don't
and
they
don't
know
anything
about
open
API,
for
instance,
or
slaughter
and
and
then
you
have
to
convince
them
or
you
have
to
not
convinced.
But
you
have
to
persuade
to
to
understand
that
defining
the
interactions
is
actually
something
good,
either
open,
API
or
async.
Api
is
actually
something
good,
because
you
can,
you
have
lots
of
benefits
right
and
then
you
have
the
other
group,
which
is
people
coming
from
open,
API
and
spotter,
and
not.
B
A
A
We
should
about
our
speech.
Let's
say
like.
Instead
of
focusing
so
much
and
async
API,
we
should
be
focusing
on
even
driven
architectures
and
then
as
a
side.
Note
here
is
this
in
KPI
right
just
as
a
tool.
That's
another
thing,
because
when
you
try
to
when
you
try
to
evangelize
async
API
people
might
not
understand
or.
A
A
This
is
something
also
that
prevent
told
me
the
other
day.
This
probably
should
be
also
tackled
on
the
website
and
on
the
home
page
like
when
you
land
on
the
home
page.
This
is
like
that
the
copies
these
and
nothing
is
the
same
right.
So
probably
we
need
to
make
it
clear
on
the
website
as
well
like
hey,
so
here's
the
body
proposition
right,
but
other
than
that
you
have
event-driven
architectures
that
you
might
have
to
have
heard
of
or
not,
but
here's
here's
what
we're
suggesting
we
are
not
inventors
of
the
event-driven
detectors
right.
A
A
A
That's
pretty
much
it
and
something
that
has
been
bothering
me.
You
know.
The
last
moments
is
the
own
boarding
experience
for
people
who
wants
to
collaborate
it's
hard
it's
hard
to,
because
we
are
in
this
stage
as
jenna's.
Instead
that
we're
not
yet
on
version
2,
but
we
have
nothing
yet
it's
just
the
specification.
It's
not
even
it's
not
even
done
this
release
candidate,
but
so.
C
A
So
that's
next
right
now
means
it's
just
next
version
I
was
I
was
thinking
on
renaming
this
next
version.
2
0,
0,
RC
1,
but
I
didn't
want
to
lose
so
much
time.
You
know
replacing
links
everywhere,
yeah,
so
I
said:
ok,
let's
live
it
as
next
and
right
now
next
and
to
0,
0,
really
scary
date,
one
of
the
same
thing
right
now:
yeah
people.
C
Don't
know
that
yeah
right
so
like
I've
had
so
I
just
did
what
we
call
it's.
Basically,
an
internal
enablement
session
last
week
with
you
know,
with
solace,
on
sort
of
where
we're
going
on
there
were
things
and
a
seeing
a
P
is
is
a
big
piece
of
that,
and
so
because
of
that,
you
know,
I
ended
up
getting
bombarded
with
like
a
whole
host
of
AC
API
questions,
including
like
hey.
C
You
know
this,
like
you
know,
there's
like
a
gift
like
basically
some
people
went
through
your
dick
repost
and
some
of
which
haven't
been
updated
for
like
years,
so
my
getting
questions
on
top
of
emitters
and
like
all
sorts
of
stuff,
so
I'm
trying
to
divert
everyone
to
just
look
at
next,
just
look
at
next
right,
but
I'm.
Imagining
that
it
that's
happening
with
us.
C
A
A
We
need
to
sit
together,
probably
some
day
and
and
work
on
the
copy
for
the
website,
because,
honestly,
there
are
two
major
issues
for
me:
one
is
I'm,
not
native,
and
secondly,
I
am
the
creator
of
this,
so
I
might
be
biased
or
assuming
people
know
things
that
really
nuts
in
their
minds
or
in
their
knowledge.
So
so,
if
you
could
help
me
with
that,
like
help
me
with
that
with
with
the
home
page
copy,
that
will
be
amazing.
C
And
what
I'm
wondering
on
that
is,
maybe
what
would
be
interesting
is
men
among
you,
me
and
emmalin
have
like
a
meeting
on
that
like
I,
I'm,
of
course
how
to
come
from
me,
like
the
super
biased
of
like
I've
lived
in
the
AC
grants
of
in
terms
of
the
world.
Like
my
whole
career,
and
I
think
emmalin
brings
eight
okay,
like
missus
bapi
world.
How
does
it
relate,
and
so
the
meeting
in
the
middle,
I
think,
could
result
in
pretty
good
copy?
C
I
would
think,
and
then
I
think
the
other
thing
that
would
be
good
to
do
is
figure
out
a
way
like
in
your
github
repo
for
AC
api,
like
how
do
we
I
mean
now
that
nothing
in
github
is
ever
dead?
I
get
that
right,
but
like?
How
do
we
keep
people
from
going
to
like
topic
definition
right,
something
that
hasn't
been
updated
since
27,
right,
like
like
there's
that
content
is
probably
not
gonna,
be
kept
up
to
date?
C
Right,
like
I,
don't
know
what
what
we
do
about
that,
because
that
was
an
area
that
I
got
a
bunch
of
feedback
on.
Actually,
some
of
it
actually
positive
feedback
which
needs
to
now
find
its
way
into
the
2.0
by
zero
documentation
of,
like
you,
know,
hey
what
is
a
good
common
practice
for
you
know,
channel
native,
which
is
called
tonic
me
right,
but
you
don't
I
mean
yeah,
so
the
inner
does
need
to
be
sort
of
just
a
housekeeping
like
how
do
we?
A
A
This
is
something
that
I
created
for
previous
company,
that
I
was
working
at
word,
async
API,
originated
right
and,
and
then
I
left
it
there
thinking.
Okay,
this
might
be
a
bit
someone
right
when,
in
the
early
days
of
placing
KPIs
and
now
it's
like
crap,
no
I
can
explain
that
this
is
not
a
sink
its
specification.
You
can
use
a
sink
API
without
sticking
to
this
topic,
definition
or
topic,
naming
right.
E
C
C
Yeah
but
like
to
have
a
repo
of
it,
I
think
it's
causing
causing
some
and
then
the
fact
that
again
it's
got
dots
so
like
people
of
course
from
us
all
since
who
use
slash
anyway.
They're,
like
you,
got
to
get
friend,
update
it
to
slash
I'm
like
well.
That's
already
the
URL
specification
2.0,
so
just
check
out
2.0,
and
let
me
know
what
get
that
right,
so
so
I
think
I
think
there's
little
stuff
like
that
will
go
a
long
way.
I
mean
for
the
onboarding
community,
stuff,
yeah.
B
And
then
you
know,
since
I'll
be
talking
about
event-driven
architecture
and
I
have
experts
on
the
line
you
know
I'd
like
to
put
together
a
slide
in
it,
and
it
has
you
know,
solace
on
there
as
well.
You
know
recognize
your
contribution.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
what
I'm
saying
is
the
right
messaging
and
we
can
use
these
public
forums
as
a
way
to
test.
B
If
you
will
the
copy
on
the
website
right,
because
it's
a
it's
a
living,
breathing
thing
and
I
think
if
I
test
it
out
in
the
wild
and
bring
some
more
feedback
to
this
group
and
say
hey,
you
know
here
are
the
questions
that
I
got.
You
know
based
on
what
I
showed
and
and
adjust
accordingly.
So
if
I
can
kind
of
get
that
from
you
guys,
that
would
be
great
right
because
then
I'm
driving
traffic
back
to
us
and
saying
hey.
A
Obviously,
pingas
whenever
you
need
something
and
send
this
whatever
material,
you
want
us
to
review.
Okay,
I'm,
happy
to
review
and
I
told
you
many
times
like
whenever
you
need
something
I'm,
not
just
being
I'm,
trying
to
be
nice,
I'm
talkin
seriously,
whatever.
Whenever
you
need
something
just
let
me
know,
I'm
happy
to
help.
Okay,.
C
We
know
you're,
not
nice,
Fran,
thanks
for
clarifying
that
but
yeah.
So
the
other
thing
too
I'm
alone
is
is
maybe
maybe
offline.
We
should
just
stop
meeting
like
Yui
and
maybe
marks
and
smarts
are
developer
advocates
you
around
you,
maybe
some
things
we
could
just
view
together
to
make
sure
we
have
a
crisp
message
in
the
field
about
sort
of
our
value
proposition,
your
value
problems
with
amazing
API
and
how
all
this
kind
of
fits
together.
So
if
we
don't
ask
or
just
confuse
the
market,
so
okay.
B
B
A
A
Cool
so
I
think
I
mean
from
my
side
that's
pretty
much.
What
I
wanted
to
talk
about
out,
which
is
not
so
much
about
the
work.
I
did
that's
okay
say
it
was
for
me
it
was
sounding
like
a
peach
every
two
weeks
and
it
was
like
these
people
are
going
to
get
bored
of
me
and
every
two
weeks,
so
yeah
I
mean
that's
just
in
sharp
in.
A
In
other
words,
I
want
this
to
be
a
group
effort
and
I
want
you
two
to
be
part
of
it
like,
like
I,
am
NOT
less
or
not
like
collaborators,
just
your
PS
Inc
API.
You
know
you're
part
of
the
async
API
group
right,
and
what
do
you
need
in
order
to
help
right
because
interesting,
crazy
trying
to
imagine
what's
missing
for
some
people
right
and
because
I
don't
get
so
much
feedback
as
well,
when
someone
is
tak
with
something
I,
don't
get?
A
A
It's
friction
that
it
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
friction.
I
understand.
There
is
a
lot
of
friction
and
it's
gonna
be
solved
in
the
next
month,
because
we
work
in
that,
but
I
want
to
I
want
to
identify
without
the
first
things
to
solve
in
order
to
have
other
people
collaborating
right
before
we
focus
on
on
the
end
user.
I
would
like
to
focus
on
how
to
help
collaborators
right.
D
A
So,
and
not
so
much
about
the
end-user
to
be
honest
right
now,
it's
I
think
it's
it's
too
early,
especially
we
don't
have
person
to
it's
good
to
the
focus
on
that
as
well,
but
my
focus
specifically
specifically
mine,
I
think
it's
to
help
you
get
out
speed
and
call
out
write
better
and
so
whatever
please,
whatever
you
find.
Just,
let
me
know
I
mean
you
can
do
it.
A
You
can
say
it
privately
or
in
the
general
channel
or
whatever
I
don't
mind,
sharing
to
publicly
and
yeah
I
mean
just
sometimes
just
leaving
a
message
like
hey
I,
just
struggled
to
do
this
or
that
opens
initiates
a
conversation
like
a
some
other
people.
Yeah
thing
happened
to
me
or
whatever
right
and
they
don't
feel
alone
and
like
they
are
the
only
ones
feeling
this
friction
so
so
yeah
and.
B
A
We
didn't
think
that
yet,
but
we're
gonna
keep
building
an
aversion
to
building
everything
in
person
to
see
we're
the
only
person
yeah
right-
and
that
means
like
you,
see,
for
instance,
for
slack
that
we
will
have
to
provide
some
migration
scripts.
Probably
so
people
can
just
run
a
migration
script
and
they
get
their
version,
one
the
finishing
transform
person
it
shouldn't
be
hard.
A
Actually,
there
are
a
few
changes
to
do
and
and
actually
the
fall
from
s
AP,
they
would
have
to
do
it
so
so
probably
consult
them
to
look
at
and
they
can
work
on
that
myself
in
script
because
they
need
it
for
the
product,
so
so
yeah
and
then
deprecated
in
version.
One
I
don't
think
it
should
be
alive
for
more
than
a
year,
I.
A
C
C
A
C
A
Exactly
so,
one
thing
is:
is
setting
that
the
deprecation
notice,
which
will
happen
as
soon
as
we
have
this
this
script,
and
the
second
will
be
I
mean
immediately.
It
will
be
like
it
will
not
support
for
too
long
right.
Just
it's
just
due
to
to
prevent
having
to
work
with
this
overhead
right.
We're
not
open
API.
So
we,
our
adoptions,
not
yet,
so
why
so
we
can.
We
can
do
that.
We
can
just
replace
one
version
with
another
and
almost
nobody
will
get
it
so
so.
C
A
C
A
Me
put
it
in
another
way
like
because
the
generator
is
a
single
package
which
generates
the
commutation
in
code.
That's
why
I
was
right,
but
it
will
really
be
the
specification,
the
parser
and
then
the
documentation,
generator
and
probably
not
probably
for
sure,
also
the
the
editor,
the
online
editor,
so
people
can
get
sure.
E
A
Can
get
there
and
try
quickly
without
having
to
set
up
anything
right.
The
Elector
is
really
easy
right
now,
it's
just
once
we
have
the
parcel
for
version
2.
It
would
be
just
a
matter
of
one
day
to
migrate,
the
editor
and,
and
also
the
and
also
there,
they,
the
other
templates,
the
conditioning
templates.
So
so
yeah
most
of
the
world
is
gonna
happen
around
the
parser
right
now
and
then
it
will
be
a
matter
of
a
week
or
so
to
migrate,
the
rest
of
the
kids
so
yeah.
A
B
A
Don't
have
we
don't
need
to
have
all
the
features
or
many
languages
for
code
generation
or
multiple
schemas
like
proto
before
Admiral
I,
think
this
is
something
that
will
come
slowly
over
time
and
but
we
can
launch
in
a
much
simpler
way.
Right,
like
let's
say
launching
the
same,
that
we
have
right
now,
but
will
with
respect
to.
C
A
A
B
It's
basically
connecting
additional
dot
contributors
with
open
source
projects
like
ours,
so
in
general,
tech,
writers
and
mentors
all
over
the
world
are
trying
to
connect
to
open
source
projects
and
so
they're
trying
to
make
onboarding
easier
for
that
group
of
talent.
You
know
they're
always
tech
writers
are
kind
of
always
left
behind
and
so
I
think
what
Google
is
trying
to
do
is
to
show
them
hey.
B
E
B
A
A
A
A
B
A
B
A
Was
actually
improving
it,
while
at
me
really
having
more
staff?
That
was
that
was
nothing
this
stencil
and
but
I.
Don't
think
I
can
get
this
back
so
probably
and
now
not
not
even
Ruben
works
there
too
late
yeah.
We
used
to
work
together
at
New
Relic,
so
yeah
yeah.
We
can
start
with
this
OmniGraffle
stencil,
and
but
the
thing
about
that
is
for
event-driven
architectures,
there's
really
nothing
mysterious.
Let's
say
everything
is
the
same,
except
let's
say
the
broker.