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https://github.com/asyncapi/community/issues/400

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Hey good afternoon um welcome to async api community meeting. I think we started live stream already. Let me confirm with youtube: hey missy, okay, so we have it started properly. So just before we start folks yeah. Since few meetings. We are running this community meeting, like all other meetings, also as a live stream, so you don't have to join on the zoom. If you, if you don't want to, uh you, can just listen to uh the meeting um through the live stream or on all our social media.

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uh But just remember if you want to ask a question in the chat, then just use youtube live stream and um and yeah. That's it if it comes to the intro.

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So before we jump into the uh the agenda of the meeting, anyone has some questions before, like you, wanna just ask your question and leave and not stay till the end of the meeting.

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I don't have a question, but I won't stay for the whole meeting. Anyways.

B

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You want to ask it now or no. No, I don't have any question so ah you don't have any questions. Okay, I thought you have a question, but you want to.

C

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So, okay, um so that's good that there are no questions, no surprises, then uh let me um share the agenda with you. People.

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Okay, so the the link is sent in the chat, so there are a few subjects. I want to update you folks on so the conference uh 2022.

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If you uh did not notice our announcement, um the we summarized the votes provided by the community on the conference, so um unfortunately, because I didn't want to go to barcelona but yeah, unfortunately, barcelona won um and so we're gonna go to spain barcelona uh this year and um interesting. The selection is on the on the on the date uh it's um between third and fifth of november, which means thursday saturday, uh which is interesting. um I think it's driven also by by alt. Also.

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It would be actually strange that people want to watch um live stream during saturday, but uh not um I'm not here to judge. Let's just do what community wants. At the moment I've sent this information to linux foundation.

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They will now send. I don't remember the english word for it, but, like official, like um query like, like official letter, the two different locations- oh sorry, two different locations in barcelona to figure out costs and availability of of different locations.

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um They had plenty of them on the list, so I'm not even sharing it because they were like they also had on the list, all the different locations that we had in the question to the community so like athens and and others. So, let's just wait for them. I hope next week we will have something and we will definitely um ask uh especially folks from the community that are in barcelona or or know about barcelona.

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Well, we're gonna ask you to share your opinion on the on the locations that um linux foundation proposes, because you know better like on their offer. It might look nice that there's some nice hotel, whatever with conference room, but you might know that it maybe is in a bad location that is not really nice to to go to.

B

Yeah I'm regarding that. I'm I'm happy to help on this. Okay, so everything we need so I'm happy to do it.

A

Perfect, the cfp form um it's almost ready, so they had. I asked them to fix some bits and pieces uh in the form, because there were some mistakes, so um they already sent it for for update.

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So I hope this week we can share publicly a forum where people can submit their talks to the event and last but not least, please, if you want to be involved in the conference, just follow this discussion that I send in the chat where we have um a list of all the um to do items that we work on to get the conference in place so like to summarize the most important for you is like when I ask publicly to for an opinion on the locations.

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Please please engage and when we will share cf billing, please, like help spread the news share with us many people as possible, because the more submissions we have for the talks, the nicer the event will be any so before I jump into another item from the agenda. Any questions to the conference.

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And by the way, hi sumit, uh like sumit, just wrote hello to all of us in youtube chat, um asking api mentorship not much to share, uh rather want to inform you that we have a live stream dedicated to q, a about asking api mentorship.

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So just folks, if you're interested come join on thursday um and that's it like, we still don't have uh like um so there's still one spot left um so from the voting of the of the dsc.

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um One of the ideas that was selected was from uh maintainer um from cuda, but uh we still don't have much news from him. He has some personal issues at the moment and but hopefully so I talked with his friends today and hope everything will be okay next week.

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But yeah um remember to join the live stream if you're, interested and you're definitely a mentee or mentor um asking api um ambassador program.

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Yeah just want to again share the link to the to the shape of the program. uh We are pretty close to submitted to the dsc for voting um to get a decision if the program is approved, because it will of course generate some costs. um So we need to know if we can like spend money on it.

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And we have also like, if you're interested, like also let us know um we're having a discussion there about the swag designs for ambassadors.

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But that's that's just one of the topics around ambassador program. Any questions to this.

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No questions, one just information, um because we started a few weeks ago google's like asking api at google season of docs.

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We had a lot of participants there like six people um and like we noticed that many of uh of participants um need a kind of onboarding to asking api and we still don't and and like so what it means like. Basically, we don't have all the needed documentation on asking api.com. That's why we participate in the google season of docs but yeah. So people can actually start writing docs that are missing. They first need to get on board to the project.

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So I'll try to do my best here, I'll organize a kind of workshop. um The idea is to do it in three parts, because the workshop might take three or three hours, um so we're just gonna. Do three live streams. One hour each because three hours in a row, um it's gonna, be super boring and even one hour to be focused during the workshop. It's a it's a challenge, especially online.

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So just remember like tomorrow we have meeting- and we have this first part of the asking api onboarding. If you don't need to be, onboarded still have a look, because I would.

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I would definitely take some advantage from your feedback, like use your feedback.

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Now because I'm talking about these meetings meetings meetings all the time just reminder, I'm just gonna send you a link in the chat all these meetings.

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They are always listed here and there are details how to get subscribed and get information about them.

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And last but not least um so, to give you some context um some time ago, like a thousand years ago before christ, um no so actually like um whenever we talk about async api spec, um there's from time to time. There's this um question pops up like how?

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How much do we really grow? How many more users we have and how is asking api actually being adopted um by by by the world and they're like I think last year, and there was an idea that we could try to track the adoption of the spec by by um tracking uh how many users uh use async api, um a json schema for us in the api specification.

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So there's this uh you know visual studio code or like jetbrains or like basically, whatever ide um they have this. They support this concept of schema store, so schema store, it's basically a a a store of schemas and that you can have for different uh like different schemas, so there like, for example, if you, if you know github actions and you write your workflow for your github action. uh So this github action is basically a yaml file.

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uh That is a superset of json and um you can specify a json schema for for this workflow file by specifying which fields are allowed or not the same. We do with asking api, so we specify which properties can be provided in nothing, api file which not and and many different other tools like open api and others.

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They all have their schemas, because it's just much easier to validate um such uh such um machine, readable documents and there's just there's just there's this one schema store one place where all these schemas are provided and and we provided our schemas and dpi schemas there as well and thanks to to sergio that is today on the call we also um like we, I'm not gonna, go too much in technical details, um because I think it deserves a separate article, because it's um because I think it's many people would like to um mimic uh what we are doing here with the adoption um so but yeah.

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In short, we basically.

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Ex, like technically, we expose the schemas that we store on github, but we we in the schema store. We do not register the link to to github raw data, but we do it uh through a um ask api.com domain, uh which is managed by netlify.

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So we can um basically track um how many people request access to json schema and um to gather the data and and and know how many people um request for access to json schema. We have net, but we have new relic um and that's it if it comes to technical details, uh which is, um I guess more confusing than if I would not share it, but the most important is. Let me show you maybe on the picture.

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uh Can you see the picture yes yeah, so um I mean normally the the initial dashboards that sergio provided. It's um it's uh it's here, but I'm not gonna um again, it's too soon to share more details. The most um important is that um so far um it looks like the the idea we had will work.

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um So, for example, what you can see here, what we can, what we can read from this um simple pie chart is that over the last 24 hours, um 412 users requested a json schema file.

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Now, what does it tell us if it comes to the ad option against requires still some um further investigation from our site, but um I already checked the implementation on bs code so, for example, vs code users um and let me show you um do I have.

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I have some asking api file here, so I can.

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Just give you a second, I'm gonna show you the.

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Example: yeah, okay, so we have async api file right and um for the async api file. That is a yaml file. I have a red hat plugin for yaml and the the plugin.

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What it does it is it is. You can see here for now like it just says: I'm not gonna investigate why, but it just says that there's no no json schema, but but basically uh how it works is that if, um if everything would still work with the solution that we are working on, um the plugin would would download the async api json schema, and thanks to this I would have auto completion uh while editing the yum file. So the um just thanks to the json schema that would be fetched by the plugin.

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I would be able to see where I have errors in my async api file and when I would type I don't know like um like, I would create a new document from scratch and I would type info it would auto suggest me like what additional properties under info. I have right, and we know that in vs code it works this way that per installation schema is fetched only once so.

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It's not so when we when we, for example, let's assume that 412 users um are all vs code users, then we can say that um it's not that over last 24 hours only 400 users, only 412 users used json schema.

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What we learned from here is that 412 new users started using asking api and json schema, because the json schema is fetched only once, and it's cached in the in the vs code instance, and it's invalidated by etac, so um only when we release some updates to the json schema.

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um That would require a given vs code, installation to again fetch the new json schema so more or less. We can relate on this data like that. If we accumulate like let's say all the fetch information from the entire year, we know that the community grew by by this number, more or less. Of course, it can't be real, like we can't rely one to one. It's still approximate um because like like, if we will update the json schema a few times a year, then of course itac changes and then um yeah.

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um It means that um some duplicates will appear.

A

But yeah, that's um that's! For now what uh um how it looks like from the like um tracking the adoption. It's not. uh There are some still some errors uh we're facing. Like um recently, the uh the json schema for us in the api was um went through a let's say, radical restructuring, and that is um at the moment causing some um issues because, like the the plug-in in vs codes, is the referencing uh references a bit differently than it should so we need to investigate how to fix.

A

It also looks like the uh the plugin cannot does not handle properly uh fetching on of different versions of the schema, unless that's already fixed sergio, because I know you had pr opened. No okay,.

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um No, the pr is not open, yet there is an issue I created to work on it and with all the steps we have to follow for fixing it and regarding the other issue, I got more info about it and well I will. I will probably create an issue later, but I have already uh fixed uh you mean for the referencing right.

B

No for the reference. uh No that's something we don't know the other.

C

B

That we were talking about yesterday- and you mentioned like few.

C

B

Yeah, the new restructuring restructuring with in the schemas that we are fetching some definitions, files that we shouldn't or we thought we shouldn't, but yeah there are tons of things there. So if you are interested on this, you can reach me or reach lucas or reach the issues I will. I will share with you later on slack.

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And you can see here, like um so um yeah again something to to clarify still, but you can see that here in this async api file it through the schema store it figured to json schema so to get it here. In my vs code instance, it had to be fetched um and but yeah as you can see, there are still some errors, so the auto completion and validation do not fully work, um especially, I put some bad words in polish and it's not underlined as a as an error but yeah anyway. Just one.

C

What is that word.

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No, no, it's not that bad. It's just an uh as it's s. uh Basically, but that's that's the most typical word that polish developers use when console.log and that was kind of console log.

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um So just a heads up the work is uh is happening um so I mean I'm even though it's not yet working as we expect. I'm like I'm personally super excited about this um tracking that we can. um We can get with this solution and yeah, as I said like. I think that, once we we manage it to work, um I think other communities would like to would like to mimic it.

B

But yeah I have a, I had a chat with ben from jason schema that they they are like they. They are asking me for writing a blog post on their blog okay, so they can share as well, but as.

C

B

Once everything works, sorry missy, oh.

C

Sorry, um what was the definition slice of the pie for again? I don't know if you already mentioned that, but.

A

Yeah so the um like, the I think, api schema, it's uh as an api, json schema or differently json schema for asking api. It's one file, um every version has one, but then it also references a separate files like definitions for different parts like it's like. Basically, the schema is destructured into different um into different files like um because it's like, like it's better to maintain json schema this way. um So this six fetches- I don't remember- I don't think we know where it's coming from, uh but um thanks for.

B

Really testing.

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Things yeah yeah. Basically us like.

B

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But basically they are not counted, so we don't take them into consideration because they are not directly referenced in the schema store. Yeah, so schema's store is the number that we're looking at.

C

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But we also like, um like there's a lot of testing, still needed, um um especially if somebody knows uh java and wants to help. So I was able to track in vs code how the caching of the schema store works, but if somebody can take some time and figure out how it works in the um I think the jetbrains is in java right, because only java developers use it. So it has to be written in java.

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uh So if somebody can help and and figure out how they implement schema store, but I believe, like um logically, it would be. Everyone should do it the same. So so don't fetch it every every time, but just cache it and and invalidate by it pack, nothing else but yeah. um We should check that as well. So, basically, when somebody asks us like how realistic the number is, we should say: okay, like it's, not 100.

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What is the reality, but we know how the mechanism works. So what we can more or less assume from the number.

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And I'm gonna send you a link also to ski master,.

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um If you're interested.

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um Because it's interesting that it's like, um like all the ideas, use it, but it's completely driven by um by the community- and I I think at the beginning, not sure if it's still the case but the uh the idea, uh the owner of the idea, I think, was paying for the server that was hosting the files on his own.

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um I'm sure how it works now, so something that we have to also look at maybe and find some good sponsor for the project.

A

Okay, so um that's all from my items on the agenda, questions from your site, folks.

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Just unmute and speak up.

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If you're trying to speak your mutant.

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No only certain minutes, this time.

A

Cool um so so the summary is like so sergio you're going to write the article about.

B

Yeah sure, but I'm going to be off next week, so yeah, I know we. I don't think.

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B

Don't think we're gonna solve for the all this issues, no.

C

No, no but yeah, I'm gonna. Do it.

B

I'm really I'm really willing to do it. In fact, willing is the good work. I don't know if it's positive, okay, thanks missy yeah, it was.

A

Very positive and we have it recorded, so you can't say no, no, all right. Fine, perfect.

A

Okay, and so I have a question because, mrs here another question on the record: how is the how's the design on the mascot work? So I remember last time the uh the ufo.

C

Yeah it's so I mean it's basically like. um I think that well me and fran will have like one to ones and then we'll talk about it, but then it gives me like more ideas than we're just kind of like throwing out random ideas.

C

Basically, like um I don't know like I guess, some people are like we shouldn't have like an alien mascot, because it's so basic and then fran had an idea where it was like. Oh maybe we should just have like one human mascot that we could put into like different scenes like it doesn't have to be like a theme so to speak.

C

um So, but I mean to be honest, I kind of stopped on that effort for now, because um there are other things that I should be focused on so yeah, but if anybody has any other ideas about that, I'm open to them, because we're kind of still in, like a draft phase of that, it's not like nothing's, really like set in stone. I guess.

C

What is action saying if I remember lucas, suggested something about mascot in chat or something earlier? What was that.

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I don't recall like today during the live stream. No, so like um I, I personally loved the uh so I remembered my the initial version of the alien that I saw. I was like now yeah.

C

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When I saw the uh this is a you know, as a as a full label like uh with this rings and and and the ufo I loved it. um So just suggestion from my side, maybe just um ask the community like what they do with the conference.

A

I mean because like uh in slack um so the thing what I, what we notice like in slack when you ask you, ask pretty limited uh group of people that are close to the project and and every la, as you said, like everyone has an opinion, um and so then, let's just maybe choose the opinion. That is the the most accepted like we did with the swag store or or the conference just a hint like, because I I guess that you might be just discouraged.

A

It's like if you hear so many different opinions like then you basically choose to work on something different than.

C

Yeah, I mean, I think it depends on how like how far we want to go with it, because there are plenty of mascots out there. Like I mean, for example, I mean if you look at postmen's mascot, it's very like basic shapes, like very simple, whatever, um like kind of outline style, and I think that we could go with something like that which is kind of what was you know with the alien mascots is kind of like what direction we were going in, but then you could also get more, like stylistic with character.

C

You know mascots, you could go super far with it and um I think that there there are definitely professionals out there that we can hire to come up with like something super specific. If that's what we want to go if we want to go in that direction, but I guess, as far as my abilities go it's pretty pretty basic shapes like graphics, kind of thing like what we showed with the uh the alien with the ufo um so yeah.

C

I guess it just depends on what everybody is looking for, and I mean what are we trying to do with these mascots is like the number one question um like: are they gonna have a use on anything besides swag items, or is it gonna be mostly that or are we gonna use them on the website, or you know like questions like that, I think could be beneficial to know before we like finalize a specific design.

C

I know that barbara was talking about, we could change or we could take them and put them into like plush toys too. So I think that's like important to know, because you know something super like artistic might not work for a plush toy, so yeah, I don't know.

C

Not to say that we should do the whole art direction based on this plush toy, but you know.

A

And blush story is just one nice thing, but I don't think it should like determine if we should no.

C

No artistic or not.

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So it's just nice to have.

C

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Okay, so let's keep chatting and see but because, like um from the swac perspective- and I think it's it's super important topic.

C

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um Like if we're gonna spend so much money on buying things, I think it's.

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I mean I like the alien, so I would definitely love to have a um a sticker on my laptop with this alien and but we need first to have it official and then we can order right or I will just order. A few of my owns will do the underground work.

C

Yeah, I was also um we were also like thinking. Do we need eve and chan or just eve? I know that was like a topic we were talking about like if, if two mascots is overkill or if we just need one of them but- and then I was thinking after that was brought up- that um it might be better to have both of them, because then it kind of signifies the community that we have like more than one people like person like working together, kind of thing.

C

um That's just a thought that I had about that, and I also think chan is kind of cute, so I would hate to just ditch him from the equation.

A

Like I like the most the the names even chan and how it relates to the spec and even driven so that's why I always loved the idea of having two um two mascots but yeah. Again, everyone has an opinion right.

C

I mean at the end of the day we do want to make something that everybody likes so, but you know art can be so subjective and yeah. Everyone can have an opinion, but I think if we just move forward with something simple eventually there'll be recognition to that and people just get used to it kind of thing. So even people who hate it might end up liking it in the future. So yeah, that's that's art for you. Hashtag art.

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Oh really so, there's like um so for folks watching, recording you don't have access to chat in zoom, so there's a comment from akshat my first time so who cares discussing about designs and its elements so openly? Yes, I'm known to be a expert in design.

C

Design is my passion.

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Exactly that's my favorite hashtag.

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Okay, so any other topics for today folks.

B

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Two one: okay, um so thanks a lot for for joining uh the next meeting again in two weeks um in different time zone, you remember that every two weeks we have in um a different time the meeting um and we're monitoring, because, like recently we're getting uh not many people joining in the morning, uh I mean in the europe morning, um so might be that in yeah. But I imagine that it's.

C

Like 4am for me, I think.

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So um but um yeah we're checking out if it if it still makes sense to have this different hour every two weeks. um So yeah stay tuned and um let's see how it goes and I'm sending from akshat good good night to everyone.

C

Because it's night for.

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