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From YouTube: AsyncAPI SIG meeting 22 (April 28, 2020)

Description

This is the recording for the AsyncAPI Special Interest Group (SIG) meeting #22.

Attendees:
- Dan Weese

- Emmelyn Wang
- Fran Mendez
- Jonas Lagoni
- Łukasz Gornicki
- Marc DiPasquale

Moderation:
- Fran Mendez
- Łukasz Gornicki

Agenda & Notes:
https://github.com/asyncapi/asyncapi/issues/375

A

It's recording okay, awesome. Thank you. Can you give me hosting rights as well.

B

A

So I'm gonna send you a link to it and.

A

um Okay, I think I have the right screen. Let me know, and you can see it.

A

Awesome, um yes, so we have four four different items on the agenda. First of all, I think the most important is some summary, the numbers from the conference. Then the topic suggested by poll about making meeting a bit friendlier for APEC.

A

The third one is about contributor guide and fourth, one is about some new features. I think we should mention during the call so you're familiar with, what's happening with the generator at the moment, and these are like four items but I guess not all of you. Maybe you want to stay for the Whole meeting. So is there any preference like joined for a specific item or you're staying with for the whole code with us, and we can just go with the order.

C

I'm staying for the whole thing and I had some bits about adoption and evangelism to cover at the end, when you guys have like a five minute slot sure.

A

Okay, so first numbers, let me switch the screen again because I have them in markdown or I'm, just gonna paste them so I don't have to switch the screen all the time uno momento.

A

So our numbers I collected in the morning, hmm so the number is pretty different, I guess already, so it's more than 2700, but so yeah. In total we have almost 3km views of the recording.

A

During the event we had 750 cut messages and the highest peak was 288 concurrent users attending, but the like the most of the event. It was like something close to 200, so 288, of course, is the peak and the last 2 hours.

A

The number of concurrent users was dropping and of course, the most amount one of people left for us for the ending, but yeah I'm I'm, okay with it.

A

So that's if it comes to the event itself, then after event, and here I'm, not 100% sure how Google and how the YouTube analytics works, because it says that we had like over 1,000 unique views after the after publishing the recording.

A

But then it would mean that we had below thousand views during the meeting itself, but I remember that, right after meeting ever shared with me and from a summary from YouTube that was clear that we had over 2000 reviews during the whole event, so I'm not sure if I'm not 100% sure, if the video information is it like unique views or not few so there's a some.

A

Some numbers are not 100%, let's say accurate, but what YouTube says it's like thousand views and interesting is to say that we are not doing any paid advertisement of the recording yet. So it's all purely organic sharing links here and there people spend average 30 minutes. So it's like purely for a given talk, which also makes sense that we will now split those split the conference into separate videos and publish separately, because it kind of also proves that people want a specific topic.

A

Only and interesting is that most fixed are, of course, for our Rockstar live demo, master, Roberto and then King and at the end mark so congrats no, but it could beat not Berto, which is pretty obvious. I guess we all remember his presentation, hmm so that's if it comes to the numbers and the numbers will of course change. So we gave it a week. So the event was on Wednesday and we will now calculate like summarize how much we spend and how much money left from the from the sponsors.

A

So probably tomorrow, it's Wednesday- maybe maybe not tomorrow. Let's give it a week for organic grow and on Thursday were gonna. Do some paid tweets again so.

D

That a quick question there, when you say most attention like after the event, is that because YouTube tells you like we're in the it's hard coffered stream, that people are watching yeah.

A

So you can yeah yeah gives you a.

D

A

Of like which our had the highest peak.

A

Okay- and they order questions to this one.

E

No questions but I would like to add that we will be sharing, like you know, better metrics about the conference. Once we finish all the you know, all the campaigns that we will do after the conference this week and all the stuff so yeah so yeah. First there's a dashboard that YouTube offers, which is pretty amazing, dashboard with lots of things that you can actually lots of things right, so so yeah, but me sharing, will be familiarizing. I will say ourselves first with this dashboard.

E

If, for me, is the first time at least and then I will share some interesting insights, yeah.

A

I used it in the morning and it was not so straightforward: I mean Google. Analytics is much more straightforward for me than YouTube analytics, but yeah anyway, we have to. We have to write a blog post where we summarize the conference so stay tuned. So.

A

Next topic: next topic is the meeting time options. So yeah Paul raised a pretty obvious topic that not all people can attend this time and I mean I can see the only option. I can I know from other communities how they solve. It is that they simply switched the time so I'm saying that, for example, this time we have it at 6 p.m.

A

CET. But then the next meeting is like 10 a.m. City and then again we have late hour and again the hour so which basically means that only once a month we have anything at this hour and once a month for a POC, so I see the only option. Do you see any other options? How we could address people on the other side of the rope.

E

Not really I think if we move beyond the other thing that comes to my mind, is doing two meetings right instead of one but yeah. It's anyway, someone's gonna miss one of the meetings. So we can do it. What you said like when one meeting is at 6 p.m. for us and another meeting is I, don't know, I think it's 10 p.m.

E

maybe for 10 a.m. for us.

E

You know so it's 8 a.m. you to see, or it's 4 p.m. et Cie right. We did reach here in.

A

Doing ball-like to the same day like morning afternoon, I'm just afraid of overhead yeah.

E

Yeah, that's what I'm saying anything right kiss you might miss a meeting where people are speaking about something you're interested in so so many kings.

E

Does make sense to double the the meetings.

A

Okay, so any objections to change that.

E

What about maybe I, don't know, maybe we can explore. We can do this for now like we can have one on the press and one on the morning like we can have one on one.

E

But what about exploring something? I, don't know more I. Think if you what's right more distributed right, like I, don't know, I was wondering if there is a tool for people to record something or will record some questions and people can answer somewhere.

E

Well, I, don't think I, don't think it's even it will ever replace liveliness right and for meeting it. There.

C

Was a gentleman named Paul he's the one who spoke first and you know how he's based in Australia and I, can't remember if it was him or Matt Bishop, but I think there's Matt, who is involved with the CN, CF and they're solving there. They have been solving the same issue to be more friendly to a pack and I wonder if we could just reach out and ask what solutions they came up with. You know.

A

What do you mean our poll I.

C

Think it's Matt is Matt. The gentleman who works for K native IBM.

A

Oh Martin Bishop was, is it's darling, my baby', it's drug doctor Davis is from sins from IBM for okay.

A

So I, so the experience I sure I mean I referred to that I had in past was actually the the kubernetes d CN CF, so they they had meetings very friendly for us, but not even friendly for for Europe and that's how they solved it. So one meeting was in the 4-1 globe for one side of the globe and the the other meeting was always for the other side of the globe, so they were simply making like switching the hours. Every meeting nice.

C

I was gonna mention I'm, one thing we did so we were just doing the EU versus kovat hackathon, which was mostly like a European hackathon the last few days, and we had people, for example, from Singapore on the team. So what I did was I would record like a tiny little zoom session. That was also a whiteboarding session that we put in the slack channel so that when the people from AIPAC woke up, they could then kind of see like a one or two minute.

C

Summary of you know, they've been kind of like passing the baton to them. So that's just another ID.

A

Okay, so, let's so for now, let's say we do those the adjustment. So next meeting is 8 a.m. UTC and offline I'll synch with you emmeline. Do it for other options? What we can I think we can test already the 8 a.m. UTC next time.

C

E

In any case, remember that these meetings are being recorded and uploaded to YouTube channel, so yeah I think we can probably promote this a little bit more, that if you want to leave some questions or answers or whatever comments to add to the video you can go to either YouTube or or slack I mean preferably slack because we're there right but yeah we can. We can do this. We were already doing what you mentioned, emmeline, that we record the video and upload it, so other people can watch the next the next day.

E

Actually, this video is gonna, be a bloated in for you in a few minutes after it finishes. So so, yes, the only thing that we can do there. Probably it's just promote it, a little bit more like hey here's, the video in case you want to add something yeah feel free to comment about it, but yeah.

E

My concern is that this will always be like if we all, if we always do it in the time zone- and this will always be like the people leading the whole thing like the meetings and and the people answering afterwards. It's not really interactive right, so I think it's a good idea to switch tensions for one side of the globe like like let this air and send them to the other side. So it's not always the same people in the meeting saying or living.

E

If you want the conversation right, because my concern is that, with with answering to the two things on the video you know always being driven by the conversation that people have in the media right and you might want to drive the conversation in another direction. But it's not possible because you miss it so so yeah anyway, I think there's not many solutions there I guess we can do our best, but yeah someone has to loose in terms.

A

But to summarize Paul, if you're watching this recording you should you should in two weeks we're in Sydney or much friendlier for you yeah, you make sure you invite other people to join yeah.

A

Okay, next next item contributor guide, so huge requests from my sites because there's a there's some site work for me where I'm working on a at the moment. It's a document but ultimate goal, is to have it published on asking a P I um website in a new section called community where we have different information about community, but one would be a contributor guide and this document it's each.

A

Its goal is to help contributors to kick off contributing with the project. So that's why. The first thing is the diagram showing the github organization structure and the the content that I was I was putting here was I based it fully on my experience when I started familiarizing with us in API, so how to start with generator that I was reviewing PRS, etc, etcetera. So all the all the ideas come from my experience, but one experience is not exactly the same as experience of other people so who requests to you?

A

If you have time later, have a look on this document. It's publicly okay, it's not publicly it's publicly available, but you have to join the I.

A

Think API users mailing list and that we used to manage access to the Google Doc document. So once you're joining this group.

A

Can access this document, but if you don't want to join the group, you don't want to get invites and emails related to other topics. Just let me know I can download the document and send it to you for review um any just comments to this. One.

A

Okay, awesome last topic: you important features in generator I think it's pretty important to highlight two new features. One was released today and the other one will be probably released tomorrow. So today.

A

Today, from released the version and link.

A

Let me show you the meat, because there got me, you must put up the topic that yeah how we can assure that the template is valid, with a given version of the generator.

A

Lync, sorry, so, basically, what's what now is that we added a new parameter to the template config file, which is called generator so in your template within this parameter, you provide the information of what generator of version is your template valid with so.

E

If you want to, you can go to the HTML template and there is a open I guess. It's still open, noting.

E

That des is set with this yeah this one and it's approved perfect I'll match it after Nicole, so yeah. This is a good example like, for instance, we fixed one. The last generator release includes an update of the parser, and that includes schema deprecated property. So so there's on schema, so you have these deprecated property and for some reason we forgot to include it on the parser. So you could not work with it on the templates right, so yeah, so I'm trying to remember who brought that app.

E

But the thing is that we fix this in the generator today on version 0.40 point one and so I added this to the temp to the HTML template like this template needs this release. This deprecated feature right under parser, so to be able to to use it so yeah. That's an example of what Lucas was saying. That's like saying your HTML, the HTML template or your template works with versions of the generator bigger than zero point. Fourteen point one and it's lower than two point: zero right. Like all the one point, Center sorry, that's it.

A

So yep question and for my fight, why why to zero? If.

E

You notice it doesn't have to equal yeah.

D

E

It's because it will work with all the one right, so the work we're doing right now is just to have generators table numbers in version one right uh-huh, so everything that we're doing here right now so be compatible with generator, also version one right, I hope. You know that all the persons want the version once to process how to say this say all the ones so yeah. That's why I'm, using the less than without the equal doesn't there's.

E

This is using sanbir sanbir notation, so you can use this till the one or tilta two or don't remember how to say this. The carrot I think it's carrot, symbol with a number of diversion yeah. You know all the syntax that you can use on NPM as well same syntax. It's actually. It's actually powered by I package of NPM, the NPM team, the one that they use for for Indian.

E

Ok, so yeah feel free to edit by default. If it's, if it doesn't find it, it means that there's no strict relationship, so it will try to work. Don't it will try to make it work with with all the generated versions which might lead to fails. Of course,.

E

And I also try to sort interact. Just came to my mind: I'll try, I'll, be creating pull requests and all the templates to make sure that all of them have this firm.

A

Okay, perfect um and the other feature um so I have all pull requests open already, so it's probably gonna be released tomorrow.

A

Can you see my screen? Okay, yeah cool, so there's a there's, gonna be a breaking change that is caused by a change in how we handle filters. So now we will support first of all, a way to register filter, there's two right filters that are reusable that you can put in a separate package and reuse across templates.

A

There will be an official library of filters for us an API, that's also something that will be merged. Two more, oh and here we're gonna hold all the filters that can be applied at more than one one template. So we don't yeah duplicate code, basically, that's the main reason and inside the filter how you can use it inside the template, how you can use it, there's another new parameter in the config, which is called filters where you can provide a list of.

A

Yeah modules with filters that will expose filters to the to the generator, so you have access to them inside the template and of course you have to. Let me show and look for package Jason.

A

And so we will have to add this generator, of course, to your dependencies.

A

And add it to the template, config and I opened to request all the templates. All templates I mean HTML markdown to Java ones, so the one that is maintained mainly by solace and the one that is now a heavy.

A

Heavily contributed by a salmon and also the the node.js templates, the other ones that are not yet in master, which sorry, honest one. Is that one that you're working on and the other one is the Python that Michael works on you have to yeah. Once we release you have to fix filters on your own in your templates in those two templates, so the Python 1 and typescript, and basically you're getting rid of the and the old way of exporting the the filters with nunchucks environment.

A

hmm You simply write a paste into functions which makes it much easier to test them in the future as well.

A

Any questions here.

A

A

Okay, cool um something I forgot to say, but 50 to know that the generate of filters. Actually it's not only the custom filters I.

A

It's not only the custom filters that I extracted from the templates, but also the, but also the looking into the readme, there's, also a part of the code that is taking all the lodash functions into the scope of this of this module. So all the filters that you wrote in the template only to use lodash directly- you don't have to do it anymore, because all those functions are now available as filters. You can use them directly in your templates.

E

And by the way for those who might be asking themselves what's right, so what can you expect to have breaking changes or what breakage is to expect until we reach version? 1 I must say that we're close so we're close to reach the first stable version of the generator and actually the two missing things that I can think of.

E

Right now is same thing that Lucas did for filters, but we hooks right so I think that's since then, so we can reuse hooks, and so that will be another breaking change that will be working and on this week or next week, so high priority for sure and the other one is the way we trigger errors inside the generator. So right now it's just to throw ever with a message and not much information, just a message so yeah we'll will standardize the way with figure errors must probably using problem station specification and and yeah.

E

So you can out of the error. You can understand better what happened?

E

What's the type of error, what happened extract information that you might need? You know also some some messages telling you how to have to fix it or you know some helping text on how to fix it. So yeah I think those two and probably yeah. We can include that. Maybe so the existing config file is gonna be removed, and this one is called dot. Tp config DUP Jason in favor of package Jason, so this file was created because in the beginning we didn't have packages.

E

So now that we have them, we have it. We can looking at all the configuration to package agents and that's it one less file to maintain but yeah, so it will be removed on person, one nothing next, zero point, X versions, so yeah just for you know we're close.

C

E

Make it stable and stop breaking the generator in the person.

B

Please stop breaking it on purpose.

B

It's good that she added it. Yes, we will break it for sure, but not a purpose.

F

It's a feature.

A

Okay, so the it's all. If it comes to the items from the gender and so a million you can jump. You know if your topic I will stop sharing hi.

C

Lucas I'll try to go as quick as possible and then put the items in slack, so the fire camp co-founders reached out to me they're, looking at adopting an async, API and so I'm encouraging them to join the slack channel, use playground, async, API, oh and also request access to hub a sink API.

C

Oh and I'll just pass along any questions to the community, so I was thinking of doing a call for volunteers and and then I I wanted to do some sort of a conference recap at least on our dev blog, but it sounds like maybe I should coordinate with you Lucas and you know make sure that you know what I'm covering is different than maybe what's on the async API blog.

C

The other ways that I think I can do call for volunteers and kind of draw attention to the recording for the conferences so API days they have like a mentor program right and- and so they've been asking me to write for that platform. So that's another place where I can chat with them. Lucas and I learned a little bit about what it's like to work with.

C

The women who code global office and I came up with the idea that you know I'd like to take on reaching out to local chapter leaders, because you know the the global hub is obviously to support the local chapters. So that's one idea and then Alan Denise had a feedback about adopting this back. That I need to share with you guys, I, don't know the best way to do that.

C

So let me know and then I think, just kind of coordinating the content with this group to say: hey, you know, I've got these pieces of content, but I don't want to, for example, repeat or take away from what's going out on the async API blog. So that's what I have Thanks.

A

So the cost of the API I think API block. If there's like. Basically the there's, no really control that you have to write content somewhere only once so, for example, what I'm doing when I'm writing something on us. An API block I'm also be publishing to other platforms. I'm, actually publishing I have my account on dev tool and I'm, always whatever I write, write something on asking API that comma I also also republish it to death to reach wider audience, and it's pretty and it's normal. It's not I'm, not breaking any like world rules.

A

That's that's typical! That's how we basically have to try to reach others. That's how many authors on medium work as well. They publish on their blog, but they also republish the medium for example, or other way around. So it's not a problem if we duplicate content, of course, if there's a functionality like in def to where you can specify that the the original content doesn't remember how this thing is called, but you specify the sorry is.

C

It are you talking about content syndication. It's.

A

Not and that's not only a note like indicate where the content is, but it's also canonical yes canonical URL, so you specify that where is the original content so also the crowler's and SEO doesn't get crazy because of the applicated content? Okay. But but if there's no such a functionality and it's it's okay as well, so I would say: let's republish, wherever wherever we can, because if people say it's twice, they will just skip it. But but if we can reach more people thanks to republishing and reusing content, yeah and.

C

Then one tiny question to end it is um after joining. The Google group is: is that the best way to connect the Google Doc draft so that folks can provide feedback? You know before that content goes out. I hope I mentioned that properly.

C

So today it sounds like there's the Google group and that's how members get access to Doc's and I can take this. It's just so.

A

I, it's not a perfect solution, so we we did it at the beginning like this, because we want wanted to attract as many people as we can to join this group, because we so debate like the fundamental idea behind this google group is that we can send invites to different meetings like the raffle we had for the price today or the order conference or the community call, because at the end it's always the best when most of the people they expect calendar invites to get to the meeting.

F

A

That's that's why we wanted to have this Google group that works as a distribution list. So that's why some of the dogs are accessible only if you join this group, but but if we see it's a problem and it's kind of blocking people from collaboration yeah, we should probably assess well change it, especially for documents that is supposed to be for contributors and I'm.

A

We can even because I I had some different thoughts about this, and it's probably something that we should it's, though, even I should probably remove this restriction today.

C

Mentioning is like not some countries can't reach Google or YouTube I. Think some parts of Germany can't reach you too, and so that was you know. That was one of the hurdles that you know that I've had to handle in other roles or other. You know things outside of open source community, but maybe maybe we can discuss that at another time.

E

A

Sorry, so this document is also not yet on github, because it's much easier to work with the Google Doc, when it's kind of not a task that you complete in a few days, but it takes few weeks. So that's also the reason I don't see any other platform that we could use actually to do it and it's pretty widely used. So that's why we choose this, but um if there are other options, I mean we're not locked to any any rules whatever.

A

So if we see some problems, let's, let's just let's change them, so we're super open. If there's a better solution, definitely let's, let's use it yeah.

A

Can you remind me the other topics, so it was blogging and the accessibility of this document sure.

C

Yeah I basically was just saying call for volunteers on a couple of platforms and then a summary of the conference as part of that and then some feedback about adoption from Alan Dennis and that's that's kind of it.

A

So the adoption we should discussed it, especially like depends on the size of the feedback. If it's just one liner, that we can transform into a github issue, or is it more detailed feedback that you want to share sure.

C

It's more detailed and it's probably better if it comes from Alan, because I think it is highly technical and and also there's that way. There's that good interaction between the group and and him.

A

So the the best is to join the meeting if he wants to do it like real-time conversation, but if he doesn't want to join a recorded meeting, let him join slack and discuss it on slack. Okay,.

C

A

That would be the worst thanks.

C

A

We're pretty responsive there as well, so not leaving questions unanswered for a long time, so we're not that community. Yet that is ignoring user. So we're still in the phase that we really care, not that will change I'm, just saying I.

E

Think yeah, what he said is true is the best way. If you want to collaborate, anyone want to collaborate or get feedback or anything just send this message in slack: either public or private or whatever, or just join. These calls, or just open the news of yourself and leave the feedback they're in in one or multiple issues and yeah, let's discuss in in the open.

E

You know that Jesus doesn't have to don't have to be perfect right, so all three feel free to to to to just.

E

You know command anything there on the issues and if we think this is multiple issues into one, we will split it and yeah. We can discuss there I'm saying because this way other people can also look at it and and can give their opinion their voice right. But just ask we: don't we don't want to discuss things in the private for an open source product right? So that's why it's? It's all. Obviously it's something that sometimes mean you have to do like discuss something privately, because you just don't want to create.

C

So much noise, maybe.

E

And then, after you validate with us that this is something good, you can open any soup, but but even death. You know even that we we can also be drunk right. We can. We can also do mistakes, so I think it's it's even better. If you open the an issue and other people can come in there and if we close it because we think it doesn't make sense or whatever someone else can go there and say: hey no you're wrong yeah, you do the mistake.

E

You should reopen this because this is or that and then oh yeah. True, we didn't think about it wherever it happens, a lot of times that we think something doesn't really make sense and it's because we actually didn't understand it correctly or we didn't get it basically, so so yeah, let's, let's always go for the open communication as much as possible.

B

Any other questions think.

G

Janice had a question yeah. It was just about whether or not the issue about generating classes as part of the first major version of the generator.

E

It's included in the in the release for reversing one but yeah. It's it's a good topic actually, because this is gonna, be a hitch task, even one, the one creating produce and all the stuff right and this one I'm not expecting to be a breaking change, I hope, I'm, not mistaken, but but something that you can use, probably during the during the generator before hook, which is something that Simon proposed to have a generator before hook.

E

So you can actually eject extra information for the templates to use and will probably work like having using these libraries like, for instance, I just want to use a Java project in writer, because my templates is only about Java, so you use a generator before hook with all this. With with this library about generating produce.

E

So I, don't think I, don't know, I, don't think it's gonna be breaking change. We for sure cool, probably explore it after we launch version one, but I think it's something that even though it's not a breaking change it, it will do the remind the path, the evolution path of the tool. So yeah we'll try to tackle this before vision, one I guess so this means in the next weeks, because.

G

It's more, the other templates I'm working on is yeah basically stuck on this issue. Yeah and the question comes up whether I should stop tackling that or I'll just wait until Lucas or used wait.

E

E

Because I mean I, don't think it's gonna even take us a month to release version. One I don't think it's gonna. Take that imagine and working on this object generation don't want to code modules. This is this is Java, but if you want to work on that, so if you want to have that feature, I think by leveraging quicktype it shouldn't be that hard unless I'm super.

E

I'm super drunk and it's actually super hard to implement it, but it doesn't look like so.

G

Yeah I tried using quicktype for some of the more complex schemas using Olaf and one-off and it kind of lacked in that regard. So maybe you get into the road and to some trouble, but I don't know, but.

E

That I think that's cute, because then, if we get into troubles with one half Olaf and all the stuff, I think we can probably contribute back to the quick tag with these features, and it's going to be always easier than creating our own quicktype right.

E

Unless you know, unless they are not willing to make any changes to the library. In this case, we can probably just fork it and maintain our own quicktype. If you want and yeah go that way, but there that cuts will only be taking in case, they don't want me to add more features and telling me to maintain it. First.

B

Which I hope isn't the case? I'm.

A

Definitely you should not try to reinvent here because they have like really sophisticated tests for all the types and yeah.

E

A

Not something that you can build quickly, no.

E

No, that's why I wasn't saying to build it from scratch, but to fork it and maintain it ourselves, but only if they don't want to maintain it, of course, only but I hope it's not the case, because if we have to maintain this we're gonna crack.

E

This is a lot. This itself could be like another another project of the size of the size of icing kPa alone, so yeah we'll probably need to full-time developers just maintain it. It's.

F

Alright, thank.

E

A

Any other questions we have five minutes left.

H

As I been going through, the async API based documentation effort had a discussion with Matt bishop about flow. My use case is a lot of manufacturing and have an abundance of camel and solace and mqp a whole host of other.

H

Async tech and I'm trying to avoid I, have to describe flow and ASIC API isn't really meant for that and I'm thinking about writing an external set of Jason which can validate using say, Chow, descriptions, message, schemas and various other aspects of what II think API is really good at defining, but staying out of the way of what async, API does and I'm, not sure exactly where I'm going with this and I've only been at it for a couple of weeks here, but that's I mean we're not really going down the code generation path, we're doing trying to generate artifacts, describing some really intricate.

H

H

Mediation diagrams, if that makes sense, I'm gonna, be writing up some stuff and I'll put it on my own Google Docs and send you guys a link to it just to show you the adventure that I'm on, but that's where I'm at so.

E

Youyou mean then the so you're on to event. Modeling. Is that what you mean.

H

Precisely the sorts of things that matter ship was talking about. Okay,.

E

Because that that will be great, if you could write it out, write down and and share with us, so we can understand better because yeah it's it's hard to figure out right now, at least for me, I, don't know if you look as have some ideas, but I think I haven't had the time to look at the event. Modeling think so so yeah will be will be hard for me to understand and.

A

He write so if there, if you can write some documents, that explains what you're doing that would be awesome.

H

Yeah, that's exactly.

A

What I'm planning on doing and.

H

I mean I've been a year coming to terms with this enormous hybrid architecture as a Technical, Architect and solace is getting involved as well, so I'm trying to stay on the gospel straight narrow, where they think 2.0, is that where I should be heading.

F

They could, you repeat, the question: I didn't get it okay,.

H

I've got an async q, dot o tied us back and I'm, generating output to that spec and I. Think that is where things are. I can put my foot down on that speck right.

A

Until version 2 e0 person, yeah to zip over, you mean version to 0 right.

H

That's correct, yeah.

A

That's the latest version yeah yeah.

E

That's the latest stable version.

E

Cool if there are no other questions, it's already one hour at seven votes, so yeah thanks all for Union, thanks a lot to Lucas for driving it. Thank.

A

E

See you in the weeks in the new the new time for Sydney, or is it no? It's actually a good time for you, maybe not for many of you. Maybe.

A

10:00 CET next thing: yeah the name.

F

Thanks again for joining.