AsyncAPI Design meetings, 16 Jan 2023

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From YouTube: Design Meeting, 16:00 UTC Tuesday January 16, 2023

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https://github.com/asyncapi/community/issues/563

A

All right, I think it's light now that was easier than I thought. Yes, we're live. What's the uas that click on the live streaming or was it? My click.

A

I guess Ace is.

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Can you hear me.

B

Hey man, multiple.

A

No was asking if it was you who clicked on stream live or was it me.

B

Ant, it was you not me.

A

Okay, okay, because I tried and I didn't know if it was that it worked. What I did it worked because it was so easy that I was.

C

A

Was it me or or maybe it was behind the scenes all right all right, let me um send a message on the channel so that people know that we're on the meeting, and maybe we can wait uh not much more because we're late.

A

A

All right so how's it going folks I see yeah I'm, the only one in the video what's going on. Is it I want? Is it a a a a a meeting or is it a talk.

A

Looks like a thought right expecting me to do a talk about the song or what.

A

Am I speaking alone, foreign.

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Okay, let's check.

C

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That we get to know we discussed the missing things that we have dependent things that say that we haven't designed uh about design I'm, actually surprised that you guys enjoyed it but yeah I, know I, know Ace likes inside, but I was I'm surprised that you like design as well. I didn't know, that's cool.

A

So it's about you know the same stuff.

C

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State I'm going to share my screen.

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Yes, so the idea is that we review the current state of design a basic API.

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It was what's going on, uh what's uh what's been done or and what do we have right now and um and also that, what's missing and um and they find the you know, a set of needed tests and create a respective issues, of course, um about it and also to get to know who will be interested in contributing to design because um yeah like there's, not many people actually lately there are a little bit more, but there's not many people in the community who likes Nissan or who like to do design uh or who are designers, which could be even better right uh and um and yeah.

A

So it would be great if we can create a community of designers as well. uh Oh beautiful picture behind this place, love it um speaking of design so so yeah and uh and then, of course, assign those issues to to whoever wants uh wants to Champion them right. So so yeah. The idea in general is to create um to slowly start creating a design, Community updating, kpi, because so far it's all development and technical writing and I will say.

A

That's it and yeah, so it would be great, too, will be great to to have some designers right as well. Let's see uh so akshat will be joining in five minutes. I said so so yeah I will have one more person there, I'm missing, Malia and uh and design lover. I, don't know if you as know something about them.

A

um What would be cool to have for this as well.

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I can't hear you, you have.

C

To turn off, yes,.

B

um Let me see if I can reach Maya uh I'm gonna pinga, okay,.

A

Okay sounds good, so in the meantime, you guys want to introduce yourself for those who uh that know you uh so I guess some of you already know in the community, but some other people are not new in the community, so it would be great. You can introduce yourself and what you expect about this meeting and these meetings I would say because it shouldn't be the first one. It should be the only one so who goes next, who wants to introduce themselves.

A

You're all gonna do it for no way to escape it perfect, it's like a when you're in class, and you can't escape it.

A

Then I need some light here because looks super dark.

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It's really bad okay as much.

A

All right, um Ace you're next introduce yourself. Please.

B

Hi, hey everyone, um I'm Haze. As you all know, design is my passion. Just like I.

C

I sort of design, I.

B

Suck a design but I tried to like do my best, so I love design. That's why I'm here in this meeting and to see if I can offer anything, maybe suggestion or ideas well, probably pick up some design issues, and you know I'm so glad to be here and I'm looking forward to like hearing what everyone else is today or share like I see: akshat is here: hey man, okay, sorry for the delay.

A

uh Yeah except uh says that he has a lot of uh noising in the background, so he's gonna be communicating on the chat so yeah. That's fine!.

A

I'll, be, maybe you want to introduce yourself.

D

Yeah I'm a beer, so this is my first design planning meeting, uh usually um I thought that I'm most into Tech into technical things, so I just want to like in this meeting. My main goal is to learn more about design from the colleagues here, so I get to understand what other things going on in design just to get an overview of it.

A

Okay, that's good just uh just to be clear: this is the first ever, maybe maybe I'm not sure if this first ever, but this is the first uh design planning meeting. So this is the first one we're doing and uh I hope to run a little bit more until we have a Consolidated uh design community and then I can just forget about design because I'm, not a designer myself and I, don't I'm. Actually I was a designer in the past, but um but I'm, not a designer anymore designer.

A

So so yeah uh actually before I was a professional developer.

A

um So so yeah and but I, don't uh I, don't want I, don't want to be back to design uh because I think there are people who are more capable than myself so yeah and luckily or not. I have other things to do or I have other things to do, but other things to do soon. So yeah and.

C

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The idea is that we, we form a community here about design and long-term database that we create. You know this: uh it's an autonomous uh design community, so that this these ideas can take care of everything um everything uh design related right, so so yeah, and uh so are you about me. I hope, I'm pronouncing your name correctly. Please introduce yourself if not search for that.

E

Yeah good afternoon, good evening, you pronounced this correctly yeah um hi, everyone, I'm, hi everybody and um uxl UI designer and uh I. Think you you should be my first open source, so projects I'm looking for you know, contributing and making making things you know doing stuff, and you know just playing around that. You know creating great product and you know just putting my excuse to use and see what goes.

E

Dude is nervous.

E

This is my first kind of meeting though, but I'll get to learn full time. Yeah.

A

That is, that is completely fine, no problem. Thank you. No problem that is completely fine. It's okay to be nervous, I'm, still nervous after I. Don't know how many years already so it's.

C

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C

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I learned to hide it, that's the.

E

Thing I'm actually shaking you I'm.

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Good at hiding it, but that's it it's still. There.

A

It's good that we have designer in the call it's.

B

E

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Unicorn here we're all developers and it's like ah please is there someone out there to be signed them and one still contribute to open source that would be super cool, so yeah I, don't want to I mean I, don't want to offend anyone. Maybe we have another designer, but I that you are the only one that I know.

F

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Yeah and yeah we're actually developers like actually I, have to say we're actually developers inside the design meeting. It's true, that's probably the worst thing that can happen to this time in the in the history yeah, so yeah I hope we don't take any fun decisions here, so uh Britney I think um I'm pronouncing correctly as well. Hopefully you won't introduce yourself.

A

Back so introducing uh in the chat and pretty B and I'm super new to the open source community and wanted to learn more about how things work in general, my friend, who works in async, recommended me to attend and takes part in the community events good for you friend, you have a good friend.

A

That's really cool perfect.

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All the time, but that's not her name, um what's uh what was the name? Can you refresh me sorry, the the name of uh design lover.

B

um I I think that's.

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A name: no, no, no! No! No! No! Her name is.

B

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Mr yeah, yeah, yeah, so Mr right, I think it seems about to to join, but uh I still don't see her again so yeah anyway. So um let me move forward and, let's start accepting, people are staying as enjoying. So for those of you who don't know um what the hell am I, uh where we're doing here, because we're doing many things right, I I feel you it's it's a little bit tricky to to get into to get to know what we're doing Mr.

A

Let me do a quick review um of the current state of design at async API, but to do the current. The current state of uh designer async, API I think I first have to explain a little bit. What async API is for those of you who don't know so so yeah so I like to start from the website, so I think it's uh the best place to start right.

A

um So async ppi is a set of tools and specification to Define even driven architectures uh blah blah blah blah blah blah right. So it's a it's lots of technical stuff that uh nobody, specially designers don't want to know right.

A

So what it is in the end. Without too many details and Tech and technicalities, what is it so facing kpi is basically a developer tool. It's a tool for you know for developers to to help them achieve uh what they want to do faster right and in a more consistent way. It's a in the end, it's a way for developers to work together in a uh faster, more consistent way, but it's not about any kind of development. It's not about any kind.

A

It's not like vs code or any uh to like react that you might know like it's. It's something specific um targeted at people who aren't doing usually microservices architectures, and you know communicating servers between each other um sensors, those who are doing internet of things.

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For instance, you know you probably have heard about people doing cool stuff with sensors and uh reading in automating homes, and things like this and but mainly uh the thing is about you know, passing messages around like sending messages from one system to another over the network, usually, and uh that's what we do so what we do is we improve the quality of the tool up there for that kind of messaging uh in between machines.

A

If you want machines here being any kind of machine, your phone, a server, uh um a sensor whatever right so so yeah. So that's it uh what's the current state of of. uh If you have any questions, of course, it is the uh I'm happy to clarify things. So what is uh now that we know more or less what 15kpia is in terms of you know, technicalities um I also yeah. I would also like to mention that I think API is a non-profit project right, so we're not a company if it does.

A

Sometimes we look like a company from the outside, because we have a logo. We have. We maintain social networks, we have a cool website or I think so uh so we have everything like super professional, but we're not a company and we don't have customers and we don't sell any product. We do everything for free, uh we offer everything for free and- uh and we do everything in public like this meeting right, we have a limiting and every meeting whether it's in public and anyone can join right.

A

Anyone can join and collaborate don't want to hide it. uh Some of us are getting paid to work on the project full time, so so some of us are working at postnum or other companies just to uh to work full-time um API, but the majority of the you know the work if you want, or the initiative happens actually or is done actually by people who are not getting paid for it, uh we're just lucky people.

A

Some of us are just lucky people who get to to get a job that allows us to do digital time right. So so yeah um we run a bunch of community initiatives as well. So if you want to ask about these initiatives, ask Ace because he knows much better than I for sure, uh but we do mentorship program, for instance, Google sort of code uh Google since.

A

I think so, I'm not sure if it's still a thing or no, um you know we run a bunch of programs where we try to invite contributors and uh and select contributors, so they are getting paid for that work right, at least for a specific time frame right uh during two or three months, or some of our brain specific or for a specific tasks uh in exchange of implementing the specific tasks or GitHub issue right. So we try, we tried but yeah.

A

It's obviously not like a like a job right like a full-time job, so yeah. So that is. um That is what we do this in API and my name is brown uh for those of you who don't know me: um I'm the creator of patient kpi I'm, the executive director blah blah blah uh at 18 kpi.

A

So this is just a title and I work as director of engineering at Cosmetics as well, but my work is full-time or amazing, kpi right so so, yeah M as as always I'm here, to help anyone who got questions about design or about anything I think could be related, actually nothing anything.

A

It doesn't have to be a uh if you want to reach out to me I'm I'm, available on on direct messages on slack and I'm, happy to reply to that question or give any uh advice. If I can so so yeah I, just I would not trust my advice, that's it so um so yeah um what else? um So that's pretty much, not ace I! Think as a quick overview of what do you think? um Do you think it's a good overview or is it? Is there anything that I'm moving out? Maybe.

B

No, that's pretty cool I think you have a question on on the charts. Oh.

A

Yeah, so pretty so um well, so this this meeting is about design, it's not about coding right. So um my suggestion is that I mean I'm, happy I'm, gonna have a party of course, I'm not gonna. Be that stupid that I don't uh 35 questions here, but just so you know so this question this meeting is about designers and design tests, but the type of coding languages that one needs to to learn or to know um I would say.

A

Anyone who cares but mostly is node.js is is a JavaScript typescript in in node.js, but um there are many projects uh across the board. uh Touching all languages, for instance, modelina is touching all the languages as an example so yeah, but yeah and I think next week um next week so Tuesday next week there is um there's a next community meeting which I think.

A

um Actually it's here, I don't have to go anywhere else. So if you go on the website community and meetings, you will see them there I hope um nice out there. um We need to check that because I think it's a schedule right place in the middle schedule.

A

um So yeah and uh if not, you can always go to the to the calendar, and you will see that you see design planning meeting, but there's this spec meeting and this community meeting next week right. So these Community meetings are actually one of the best places to ask eloquently education API right, but don't wait for the meeting go to the how to contribute channel on Slack and uh mentioned pace make sure that he works.

A

He has something to do and he will not be able to help you I'm sure so yeah and that's it so we have Maya and mrap uh on the meeting yay. So I think we are we're all here, uh so Mr, Jack and Maya. Maybe you didn't know because you uh during late, but we were introducing all of us. uh So maybe you want to introduce yourself and yeah I'm going to respect about this meeting, who wins first? Who wants to go for it.

A

All right, since there are no no one taking the lead here, Maya can introduce yourself you're. The first of my list.

A

Yes, I chat. Please introduce yourself in the chat.

A

You gotta practice and see. uh How can you improve your introduction, the more you do it, the more you realize that you're you suck at it. That's what happens to me. The more I introduce myself, the more the words I do.

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B

What is going on in these charts.

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You want to introduce yourself if you can.

A

B

So I'm not sure these guys can hear us, oh maybe they're, having trouble with internet.

A

Yeah, okay, that's okay, all right! So for the next one. Maybe um so we have a couple of projects: uh um oh yeah yeah! um If you can please introduce yourself.

A

um If not that's completely fine, you can do it in the chat as well. um uh So we have a couple, let's say, or a few um projects, async API. That might require a little bit to say it in a you know. In some way it might require some design love right. So the website is pretty good. Let's say it's starting to get a lot of stuff, but that's something. That's still been good.

A

So far, so it's not not a problem, but um but yeah we have projects like studio right, so Studio, it's still doing pretty pretty good right, but um but yeah. This is uh designed by a developer right or developers in general. So it's not that bad. It looks a lot like like vs code, but Studio needs to evolve in the next uh months and years to something that is more, uh let's say, usable by non-developers right. So right now it's a it's! A like a code. Editor all right. I'm gonna make the little bit larger.

A

um And, um and as you can see, this is pretty much an editor and on the right side, you see the generated implementation. This is what we call the generated documentation map, but um I hope you don't hear my daughter, crying and screaming assistant screen hard, um so the uh so. The thing here is that um there is this UI, which is pretty good so far, but we need to evolve Studio into a product that is more user-friendly and uh not necessarily developer friendly.

A

That doesn't mean that we have to make it hard for developers right, but uh something that anyone can use and ideally then, in the future in the next months. Right, ideally, we want to see an evolution of the ACT based studio, in which we see um a product right, an application that um that helps anyone, not just developers to create even driven architectures or simply supplies.

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You should be. You shouldn't need to be a developer, so that means that usually the need to actually learn async API. So ideally, this would be a way, an inter a UI that helps you create apis or edas. Even doing architectures videos you'll hear me allowed to say there and apis application programming interfaces um where, um where you don't need any uh any of this knowledge here, you don't need to know how how to write this because yeah for those of us who know how to write this as a big file. This is easy.

A

You just type it, and on top of that, you have help here, like you, have a autocomplete I think uh there's.

A

Well, I, don't remember the key combination here combination, but uh you have suggestion here on how to uh on how to write this uh application file.

A

What just happened is actually another thing to improved that I, don't recall how to have a photo completion, so that is a good, not UI, but ux Improvement right. So we need to improve the development experience and the user experience and um but the yeah. Ideally, what we need to achieve long term is that we have.

A

Is that we have um something like this? We don't see any code, we just see the documentation here, and maybe we see another window here in the middle, in replacement of this one with the code uh where you can easily drag and drop, um drag and drop uh step like I want to create an API. That's connected to this broker blah blah blah right. So everything needs to be with to be super user friendly.

A

If you want um I'm not entering into too many details of how things should be done, because that's not the purpose of this meeting I just want you to understand more or less that there's a lot to do here and it's not so much about what you see, but it's more about what it should be in the next month and what it should be evolved into right. So this is one of the things. The other thing is precisely, and some people think it's part of Studio.

A

But it's not it's what you see here on the right side right. So what you see on the right side? Is um it's another? It's another tool right! It's it's a tool embedded inside Studio, but that can be also used outside studio right. So so this is the generated documentation as we call it and what's happening here. Is that what you see on the left is generating the documentation on the right. So as an example, if I change the title of the API right.

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You see that it changes right so um if I touch it you'll see whatever right so, whatever I type in the left, it's reflecting on the right. So it's because it's using the code to generate this documentation, but, as I said, this can be used outside uh studio and it can even be generated without using Studio at all right. So with other tools that I'm not gonna talk about now, but the.

A

The design of this generated documentation is yeah. It's uh some refinement, because, right now, as it is, it's a little bit um it's a little bit ugly and and can become actually unusable right. So as an example, um I'm gonna do an example here that is um so main channel one uh message: payment, IDs and that why is it not rendering correctly interesting.

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Interesting to see.

A

Some pain, though, oh of course.

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Interesting, it wasn't complaining that there was an error here so.

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um So you can see that what I typed here ID is an integer minimum value should be one, and the description with ID is the channel and you have sent uh blah blah blah. You know all the details should be reflected on the right side like this. That's done, that's cool and so far it doesn't look that bad right, but the problem is when we start getting so, um let's say it's starting to get um complex combinations of the so, for instance, if I try to do things like this, um this is another syntax.

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And if I just do a type object here, properties to pull out type screen.

A

All right yeah, so, all of a sudden, this UI becomes really weird right. So what it's saying here is that my message should contain all the fields here and all the fields here.

A

It would be like a combination, it's actually it's not exactly saying that, but yeah we'll get into details once we get into this specific issue right and um and as you can see, it says uh when you expand payload, it says consists of which, by the way, it's incorrect, English, um uh IDs and add and names and end with which is off with like uh it's a little bit weird but and then blah right. What many people are expecting here is that it's actually rendered like this.

C

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So I think that's something you know what the hell is, that okay indentation, it's always.

A

Yeah, what many people are expecting is this that you actually knowledge all the stuff together into single place, but yeah there are.

A

There are details that say interesting reasons why this is not done, and we need to investigate uh why it's uh it's like this and how it can be done. uh Sorry, we need to investigate how to do it in another way, so that people can actually find what they expect right and.

A

Well, not gonna get into too many details here, so there are two products here which is Studio in general, this shell of this application right, uh not this part here.

A

um So there are a bunch of things to do here. We have some wire related to how to use studio right all the stuff, it's cool. What can be improved, then we have um generated documentation here which again it's good enough. What needs to be improved by a lot and then there is another uh there's yet another project which never started yet, um but it's called Uh design system right. So we have it on the on GitHub I. Think there's! No! As far as I know, there's no work.

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That happened yet on this on this Reaper and um and yeah there's um there's something that we should be doing, I think um as soon as possible, and the reason is that on so far when someone wants to you know close with them. So when someone wants to do.

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um Something on this UI here right on the studio, UI, there's no design system and uh there's no UI kit. If you want like a library of components, so that part is, is still missing right, and um so it will be cool that we create this kind of library of components that people can reuse like like as we're saying before, right, like Tailwind or something like that. But not we will tell them.

A

Maybe it will be more like their win UI so that you have uh a set of ready to use components so that any contributor who wants to add something to this UI. They already know where to look at and they can find the components already done already designed and already coded right and and ready to use right ready to incorporate into Data. If the.

A

If the component is not there, of course, we add it to the design system but or to the UI kit, sorry, but the UI kit, it's actually um it's actually the Second Step. The first step will be to come up with a design system right. So the design system is the rules by which our design will be um I. Cannot say like it's, it's the rules that our uh our design system will be following right. So, for instance, I feel.

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If you look at the uh you Google design system, which I think it was paper, it was called paper material design or something like that. uh Yeah this materials are, of course everybody. Was there a UI, so yeah, it's it's. Basically, this it's a.

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um It explains how to you know how to use the phones, how to use the spacing the board, the borders, um the Shadows, the you know, everything like how to use the color, um what colors to use what colors to avoid for specific things.

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You know um the types the even the spacings or the padding the margins, the space between things in the screen, how it should be separated, how much uh um and you know- and if you know all the little details right all the little details about um the design itself, and this will be then translated to a UI kit and then the UI key will be used to build um studio right.

A

But again, that's like that's one. That's like one part of the that's another part of the of the project. Then there was this discussion that never end up actually never finished, and it was abandoned that if we still have a design system for the generated documentation as well, which personally I don't think so because um it's limited set of component, so we can just design this component um and they should be customizable. So people can include this generated recommendation into their website and their websites.

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And if my company has uh red as primary color, then I should be able to customize. The title is Rev and, uh and it should be customizable, so the font is the same as the Oneness that my company uses, so it will be customizable right so yeah.

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We still have some design work there, but we shouldn't get crazy about it and um but yeah but Studio the studio is actually something that will grow and that continues will come to add more functionality and most of that and more uh um menus menu options and more um that's called models and buttons here and there and so on. This will be a consistency right.

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Otherwise, every time someone adds a button here or or maybe here, it's a it's a different thing, where every time we create a new model, uh it follows a different, uh a different um look and feel right. So so yeah, um that's it so. Basically what do we have is Studio.

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We have the generated documentation and we have the the design system that we still don't have actually that we have to yeah create right.

A

So let me get back to the chat all right, so let me read the introduction from action, so this is post stack, developer, meeting website of the website. The website building website is so um I'm also the main key in the mentorship program, and also looking for more computers in the community, um pretty well known in the community collection, so yeah, but uh but there's some people might not know about him, of course, has been around uh for a while as well.

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Now um so Maya said, hi everyone, my name is Maya and an open source user experience. Researcher and designer I'm also been Keen in mentorship program and nice. To connect with you all um cool, so welcome Maya with different definitely need you around.

A

um Brittany is asking: if studio is something similar to BS code. um It is right, that's the thing. So the thing the thing about it is that why would I use this uh editor? If I have my vs code right or if I have my IntelliJ IDEA, that I'm familiar with and that I have my um as we call the key? What's the key combinations I don't know uh anyway, so I have to configure I. Have my plugins there I have everything there right. So why will I use this?

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uh This editor right, um for instance, I, don't use it whenever I have to whenever I have to um edit an SMTP file. I use this vs code preview, um it's in kpi, I, think I. Think API preview was yeah. Of course, foreign.

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That um that I have all my Snippets that I have all my you know this.

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You know all these key bindings, so the key combinations that I use- and these are that right, um so yeah I- would prefer to use this one right first, quick stuff, but that's it that that is what studio is right now and that's why I was saying like this is what studio is. But this is not what students will be right in the in the future. I'm, not saying that we're gonna remove this editor here. We're gonna keep it right because it's still useful for some. You know from from time to time.

A

You just want to change things quickly here and there and that's that's cool. We're gonna leave it there, but the thing is that once you open Studio, the first thing you see it doesn't doesn't have to be this editor right. You don't want to have the editor and the documentation here. The first thing that you should see is hey friend. What do you want to do? You want to create a new Kafka microservice? Oh, let's guide you through creating a Kafka microservice.

A

So let me know where is your Capital broker and I type, the URL right? So, okay? So now I know where your Capital broker is. Do you want me to um you want me to publish messages to some topics in the capital broker cool? Let me know which ones and you want to subscribe to some topics in the capital broker cool. Let me know which ones and then um for each of the tablets and subscribe. Let me know um um which kind of message message. Are you expecting in this topic? uh What is the structure?

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Is it an object? Is it a Json object? Is it um does it have a the ID property? uh Does it have a sent out properly cool? Let me know, is it the string? Is it the number blah blah blah? Let me configure it right, um so you do this all via VIA, UI, right and once and what it's doing actually behind the scenes it's generating this HTTP file right. This is generating the 18kbar file behind the scenes which you can always switch to the code to the code.

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Editor version, this version right this UI and you will see it right. So that would be that that will not be hidden. That will be another option right, but not the default option.

A

So that's the thing, so it will be more like a user-friendly UI for people to um to create new apis, and you um microservices- and you know things like this right, so I'm- sorry that I'm using a lot of uh jargon here but I'm trying to keep it simple as much as possible if you get lost at some point of what I'm saying just let me know privately, if you want- or you can chat and I'll, be happy to reply and um and yeah, and so the idea is that we guide the user also in their own language and I'm, not and in their own language.

A

I don't mean in Spanish in English, and you know um in Hindi I'm not saying that right. So what I'm saying is that if you're using uh Kafka in Kafka, the channels are called topics, not channels right, so if I'm new to instant kpi I assume know that this is actually the same as in Kafka topics right so um so that's one more friction point that I have to learn right. This is this: is it this is uh a character topic.

A

So um also in the case of um I, don't know in the case of servers right, I can just have my cup right here, and the URL will be Kaka at my Cafe.

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um Something like this right, so I can have a server, so that is the same as saying that um my Kafka broker is using. So my server, my broker is of type Kafka, and this is a URL where you can find a code, but it says servers for some people. Servers means something different right for many people. Actually, so if I'm new to Instinct API uh I, probably don't know that I should come here and add my platform broker.

A

At least that is yet more friction right, um not to mention that I'm using yaml and probably I'm, not even from here with Yemen. um So that's still more friction right. um The name of the channels might be that I have to keep it like this, or maybe like this right.

A

I don't know um thing is that there are lots of things that I have to do um lots of things that I have to learn that I I still put summary here for the description, but I still have I should put the description here and let them have summary in this case.

A

um There are lots of things that use you need to know in order to write this sdb document and that I think it shouldn't be necessary to uh to start using this API like we shouldn't, be a little bit less uh egocentric right and and tell people like you want to create an in a sequence apis or even an architecture, cool I'm, going to guide you I'm, not gonna. Ask you to learn: asyncpi I, don't care, but I, don't care. Do you shouldn't be learning how to write this file? It's not your business.

A

If you want to that's cool fine, go ahead and learn it, and here's here are the docs, and here are the guides and tutorials and everything you. You have all the stuff here, right, I, think uh yeah. So on smtp.com you have all the tutorials and you know and guides and Concepts and reference and everything you have everything here. So that's really cool. If you want to learn how to use specific tools, you also have it covered. It's there. That's perfect, I love it, but that shouldn't be the default.

A

But if also be you want to use citizen, kpi uh or sorry, you want to actually um you want to actually create anything and synchronous API or you want to create an Android architecture or whatever um I'm not going to ask you to learn anything plan because that's way too much right and it might, you might need some a few weeks until you learn it right until you're actually prepares internet. That's too much right! If it was something like you can learn in five minutes. Okay, that's cool! I'm! Gonna!

A

Ask you to learn it because it's just five minutes right, but um it's a few weeks right right in in the in the in the best case right, so so yeah. So ideally, this UIC guide you into creating something like this, but.

A

Right, that's the thing not asking you to type it so so yeah um what else out here so so yeah and um anything else that you might want to ask.

A

Oh by the way, hello, mrap, so she's introducing herself.

A

And said hello, I'm Mr, attacking money, design, lover that you are your business designer uh and soon to be project manager. It's really nice to be here. It's really nice to have you as well, by the way you can talk at any time. This is not meant to be. This is not meant to be owned by me right. So this is a meeting. We can all talk right. Let's just have a conversation here.

A

So yeah so yeah you were completely was asking there I'm sorry. He was asking there that oh man.

A

If um this is like questionnaire or something like that, you we should be having your question or something like that too, that you should feel to create the API. Well, that's actually, that's one way right, that's one way, but what I mean it's not so much about a questionnaire, but there are other examples of how other people are doing it, and the cool example is a stoplight right. So stoplight has. um uh How is it.

A

A

Actually, this one here.

A

Yeah, so they had this tool here, where you can, um you can feel all these details, but in a nice UI right, so you have this little here that I'm not sure.

A

Okay, it's the sacred! This is one you have this um this UI here and it's uh it's like. You can paste the URL here and it then it lets you um select, which kind of operation is it in this case it's for the rest API. So it's different right.

A

um We we're not doing the rest apis at least so far, so so yeah you can you can fulfill all the information here clicking buttons here and there without having to type any of this long form uh SMP file, so in this case, with a plugin tool to type any of this long form open, API file this. This is just targeting another respect. So this is.

A

This is a cool example right, a cool example of how you can build a UI that it's actually gonna, ask you if the UI is going to ask you to fill some data right and it's the necessary data for you for the application actually to generate the SDK file behind the scene right, that's, uh that's! The the whole idea, I.

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B

It is also similar to um so there's this project. One of the current mentors is working on right. It's like um the studio, drag and drop so yeah. It should be similar to that.

A

Yeah so another another one like when you mentioned, for instance, uh to have something like a panel here on the left side that you can drag and drop blocks into a playground. Maybe something like this- you know something like this, but something that you will be able to to actually create new blogs. This one is just for visualizing, you cannot edit it you cannot. You can just see it. You cannot edit it over here right. So the idea is that you could.

A

You should be able to drop here things and connect things together, more like a diagramming tool right and then, if you click here, you will see a form uh asking you to fill some details like the name of the channel or the messages that you expect in this channel, blah blah blah right all the necessary information. There are lots of things that we can add there. So that is another way another way of seeing it is uh the way um Postman is doing that so so, for instance, um but.

A

um Yeah, but another way to do it is Postman takes another approach, which is uh you? Let me help you test. It's not to create an asynchronous API is to test. It is to test an existing one, but actually what you can do you can fill all the details here uh needed to create.

A

You need to test your uh your API and then you can just tell Postman to Market to create a mark which is like a uh dummy version of your API right, which is like something that you can test, but it actually does nothing. You just responds with some dummy data, but it's already enough for you to to use right and to and to play with. So that is another approach. There are different approaches: there's a job growth approach.

A

Where you ask a question, the the chat would ask you a question and then you reply with something, but that requires more typing and uh it's um it's always like. um It's always good. Maybe I would say it's good for when you're creating a listening API in the beginning and as soon as it in the beginning.

A

But then, if you want to edit it, uh you know the experiences a little bit written because yeah you don't know what to what to do now, like the the chat room, will not be asking you right, so so yeah, it's uh it's! There are different uh approaches to to solve that, of course, so yeah and I think with two what we should be aiming for, as I said.

A

Maybe it's uh it's kind of drag and drop blogs that you can place here and connect things together so because, at the same time that you're creative you'll see things in context right.

A

You think you see the things in the diagram, so that is really cool with cc2 visualize that and if you want to fill more details that are not shown here, you can click and it will open and then a form by the window with a form and there you can complete it or it will open a sidebar or something where you can continue completing the details and so on right, so so yeah anyway.

A

This is uh specifics right uh of how to solve it, but this is not meant to be that this meeting is not forgotten. This meeting is, it was just to explain the that we have um there's um Studio thing right and we have this generated documentation there and that we have this design system and there's still, uh that is still pending.

A

We're still missing right and, um and the idea is that we create a UI key or at the same system so that we make this whole design consistent um and nice looking at the same time and um because yeah so far, it's good, but it's it has to evolve into something that is going to be a little bit more complicated, UI wise right. So so yeah, especially about uh us ux wise. So the UI is going to be easy to do, because we can follow what other people do, but the ux.

A

So the experience that like defining what what we want, the experience to be uh and how the the applications should react to your needs and adapting your needs. That's actually going to be a tricky thing so, and there is what I think there's uh rely most of the uh design opportunities so and we're all the time as usual,.

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B

I I still have like a couple of things too hard right. uh Yeah, which includes questions so um I'm gonna, add to the to the list of design um stuff would love to work on and I think one of them is actually the it's a kpi conference right um like previously the the past um conference, which is 2022 conference. uh We had some design done by Missy, which were awesome and yeah. So we want something also like that for this year.

B

Right and you know the title for this year is so I feel it would also be an interesting um design issue for any designer the community to work on right. So before we can start implementation. If we see someone who can volunteer, you know to come up with the whole design for the conference. I think that would go a very long way.

A

Yeah I agree, although.

C

A

Yes, yes to mention it like uh the design of specific website yeah, it might make an appealing to some people, but yeah I just want to mention there. um This will be.

A

um You know this will be just a One-Shot job right like someone, uh someone just can't do it and we have a website and it will be used for the for the comfort and that's really cool I mean that's accountants, because it's going to be for the whole year or on tour right, um but yeah like you're right so but in my opinion, I think it's more like this. In this case, it's more about uh graphic design.

A

If you want uh than UI ux design but yeah, it's still designed, but yeah I'm, just going to make this differentiating that.

B

A

I'm, not I'm, not bad at who are you right, I'm, not bad, but I, suck at a graphic design things as an example right so yeah this. This should help to tell people what to expect and I. Think someone raised.

B

Their hand, you know yeah I, think that was Maya. Okay,.

G

B

Yeah, can you go on.

G

Yeah volunteer for the graphics, so I didn't get what you said like the last thing you mentioned about ux designer and graphic designer.

B

A

Front, can you can you ask again because I didn't understand the whole question or maybe an age? If you did, if you didn't understand anything.

B

Okay, so uh Maya, if, if I'm correct right so I like I, suggested right the 2023 conference, we want someone that can you know help us come up with designs right from designing the the website, just like uh the one Missy did for the past. 20 to converse um basically did um some of these designs for the website, and she also did this architectural illustrations that we also use in the website and also on this kpi swag right so and I was thinking since this.

B

um The the title for this comment conference is right, so we thinking okay, somebody has to like. If we can find any designer in the community that is interested in like picking up these um design um stuff for 2023, then the person should just volunteer and we'll be looking forward to like implement the design.

G

Okay, yeah I would love to work on it.

B

Go I'm gonna. So do you understand I'm from.

A

No I think you said everything. That's good I'm.

C

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B

So I'm gonna share the link to the um current conference website. So this is this is not just um the uh Joseph designers. So if you're a developer, also, if you're interested in implementing whatever design um one of any designer comes with um comes up with each other, so we are always like willing to like take a contribution. Oh sorry, I'll associate so yeah.

B

That's a link to the conference website the past one. So we are also looking forward to the coming one. Also I'm gonna I'm. Also gonna call it um a discussion, so Maya I'm, gonna ping, you so maybe we can start thinking and brainstorming okay, so an oak show that um we also have some design issues right. So we have some of these design issues. I, think action can testify um so um actual current projects um in the mentorship program. I think it's a very, very interesting project that we feel needs.

B

If you can find someone to help um redesign its projects, um I think that would make so much sense. um Actually, um can you share the link to the to your projects so say: I can show them.

F

Yeah sure, just a second.

B

Okay, so we have a lot of design is used like some, which plan has already pointed out. So I think this would be a great opportunity to like um bring onboard more designers and I. Think it's very, very difficult to find designers in open source uh I. Don't know why I've always tried to figure out. Why um can you can you share the link um from which one actually just share the link on the chat.

A

Okay, you want me to copy it on the.

C

A

Okay, open it here, I mean yeah.

B

So this is, this is actually um projects for the mentorship program, and you can say the design is specifically basic. So if you're a designer, if you would love to like pick up a challenge to help us now a hand, stays design and give us something much more fun and interesting um would be really really glad and I. Think uh Mr rat is your hand.

G

Is a message to my ideas, but he did not fill me in about it, because I I really wanted to help him with the design.

B

F

Yeah, sorry, Miss: what did you get? Didn't you get that in this particular page? Sorry am I Audible.

B

F

Audible, okay, it was just in a case means like what you didn't get in the means that the.

D

Problem exists.

F

That it doesn't have any specified, figma file for this particular web page, but yeah soon, with my imagination, I, somehow able to design a page means like which will be effectively rendering all the tools which are actually previously listed in the asyncyp.com tools. So, like that's my uh mentorship program project that I have to migrate.

F

This particular page into a tools dashboard where user can interact with the um like interact with the page in such a way that it should be get filtered out or it particularly can sort the uh tools that exist or that helps the async API to grow as such. So.

C

F

This is the page yeah perfectly so.

C

Yeah, if you, if you.

F

List down there in um deep down into the page, you will see that the list of tools which are being just listed out in the form of a markdown or in a type of table instead of that now we do need an interactive way of finding some tools of a certain kpi, like more of the features will be coming out uh as soon as my all my peers or latest issues will be summed up of making new filters regarding so so I as per the design perspective, I I actually want to have a review that it perfectly aligns with all the UI ux terms that are being made for the community or.

B

um Sorry akshats.

F

Actually is much more.

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B

F

I got distracted before yes,.

B

You were saying something about the design much in the existing community and stuff.

F

Previously that uh we had a dedicated themes and uh particular style of coloring and having font Styles in the async API brand and even in the Sync API website, figma 5., so linking with that I was actually wondering that if somehow someone someone does some designer or any design contributor come, can review the pr according to that UI ux, it will be much better. That's why I asked for the reviews in the design channels.

B

Cool cool, uh so I think um Mr rat. You should definitely connect with actions if you are actually interested in that I think action would provide um so much help for you, so I'm, pretty sorry. Actually, I didn't get back to you. He's a busy man.

A

And just I have good news, actually so I just added your dashboard to the website. uh So it's there, that's fake.

C

A

Are you speaking.

F

B

Do you think that's.

A

Refresh, that's refresh exactly so.

F

Yeah, it was actually a very good one that we had a dashboard even inside the talks.

A

Just don't, let me do bread exactly.

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B

The um oh I need another example of.

F

um Design issue.

B

So if you're willing to pick that up also foreign I, think that's that's everything, I have to say, and if I'm supposed to add one more thing, I think that's that's the question right. So the question keeps bothering me and which is so um I think one of the main reasons I feel um they are less designers in these um open source space um which the first part is eventually the technical aspect um which I don't feel is a big deal.

B

If you find somebody to onboard them uh and I think the second aspect is basically um a designer. You know designing something and um a design contributor designing something and a developer contributor trying to implement that design right. So if the developer didn't implement the design as cool as a designer designed, it I think that's going to be a problem and I I think it is open source right.

B

So the designer can't just you know, keep nagging at the develop, but I didn't do what I designed like efficiently or something and the developer can say: dude I'm not being paid to do this thing. It's open source right! So don't stop nagging me and stuff like that, and I was thinking right. So how do we feel? How do you feel you can bridge that Gap so make like and yeah?

B

We can I think it's also something I'm willing to like dedicate my time on like try to bring more designers into open source I'm, starting with this kpi. First, so I I, don't know I I I am Mr, Russia needs to say.

G

Yes, like the awareness is not there. Actually, the awareness is not there. I initially taught it's in kpi, it's only developers that can contribute, but thank God for my sister. She said designers can also contribute to I think API. That was why I'm here, if not, if not for her I won't be here so I, feel the awareness is not there. If there is um more awareness about it, I'm so sure designers will come to contribute to AC kpi yeah.

A

B

um A way to promote that right front, sorry, the only problem with that is thinking, I'm thinking, right, I'm, not making decision I'm just thinking, maybe we can also have- um and they think about mentorship program right if you can have more slots for designers also.

A

I agree yeah that would be super cool.

A

Actually I will be accurate, like even to to become a dementor of um of someone who who wants to pick up a design one of the design issues, one of them I, would say the big design uses, um but um but yeah I'm not sure uh well, yeah, it's valuable, so yeah and uh and and yeah I will be the mentor, but yeah I don't know if people should be expecting for me to uh Mentor them on design because I'm not a designer myself, but um but definitely this is something that we can use to pay them to.

A

You know to to implement something right to yeah, to get some health contributions to design that would be super cool, absolutely and I would be super happy to to guide the designer into um what do we need? Let's say, not exactly how to do the design, but it's not what we need. You know so. Yeah I'm like great for sure.

B

Cool cool um so I think that's that's pretty everything from my hand.

A

And also about your question before uh you know like how do we solve these problems that the designer might Implement design something? And then the developer doesn't uh fully they'll do the design that was designed by the designers yeah?

A

uh That is um I mean that's that's why we have uh co-downers right maintainers on each report right so, um for instance, if we have the, if we have someone joining here on the design system um at some point, the design system will will create a UI key right.

A

So if someone on studio, if someone comes to you, if someone comes to implement something in the studio and it's not using any of these uh components of the UI key that the design system um and it's there and the component is there to be ready to use it's up to the studio maintenance to say no, please use the one on the medicine system. Right, don't create one more component yourself right, so you should be using the one there right.

A

um So it's up to the maintenance. There are also respect the sign the same way. We respect documentation and there's a wave respect code right, so so yeah. So, if and actually I'm one of the main, the maintainers of studio, if I see someone if we have a UI kit with lots of components, ready to be used and I know something like a button here, a button of the sideboard and uh someone is having one new button and it's not using this component. It's using something uh made by made by themselves.

A

uh I will stop them. I will also I, know Prince used to have the other one right, don't use a component done by yourself or have a design done by yourself, so so yeah and the other maintainer who's, uh matsec uh commissary Rose that uh the person contributing there, let's start quite guidance right into doing it properly. So it's up to me to the maintainers in the end, uh of course, this is some uh a job that you're doing on your spare time for free.

A

um So we can't uh ask the developer to say to do it exactly the way it will be done, but dude this is. uh uh This is open source right. uh It's yeah! It's true that you're you're doing it for free, but it's also true that you're getting interest-free right. So um it's a collaboration right. We offer everything for free and everything in the open, but in exchange people it's uh is, is um able to contribute to the project and to and to change the direction of the project right.

A

So so yeah, um it's a quick recur right.

A

So yeah this this can always happen, but this I'm sure I'm pretty sure that this is not going to happen. If this happens, some other some other developer can jump in and say, I'll paint it the rest of this that this development doesn't want to do. I'll fix it. I'll make it look exactly like the design.

B

Yeah, of course,.

A

So yeah, but that is not a problem.

A

I hope that clarifies that question and the problem.

B

Yeah yeah, it does.

A

Anyway, folks, so I hope this first uh design meeting was useful to understand a little bit uh what the biggest design issues are at Asian kpi, and also the little things that you might find here and there like the project from appsat, like um you know the website or the next conference, and so on um this year's conference. Actually um so this little things are also useful and probably a good way to start before you get into the uh into the the big thing right and um but yeah and on the subsequent uh design meetings.

A

um I'll try to I think we can try to get into a specific thing like design system, the the UI theater or the studio, the render documentation generated documentation. You know specific things and we can start um onboarding. Whoever wants to be participating into this specific design, resource, okay, yeah.

B

I'm, so uh are you saying you you're going to be hosting um these design meetings more frequently.

A

That's one of the first things that I said that my that's the first inside meeting, because my aim is to create a design, Community, Edition kpi uh and um until we have and and I said before, like I'm, not a designer myself, but I know that the designers in our community are also probably um not engaged enough into the project to to say, like I'm gonna. Take care of this big thing right, because that's too much and that's that's I agree! That's too much and it's probably um yeah it's.

A

Basically it's a to be it's a task, but it's too big to to uh understand by itself not just that not just you but to understand it. So so my aim is that um I'm, gonna, I'm gonna run these meetings and and also help designers who want to contribute to understand what needs to be done and ideally in the future. I can just step. Okay, right and I.

A

Don't have to do anything of this because there are lots of designers in the community who are actually taking care of this much better than myself and they're, much more capable than me, and so I did that's the idea all right, but the ideal company, probably next year, maybe I mean it all depends on how fast it happens, of course. But um that's that's my aim.

A

So if we have to run this meeting uh for I, don't know every two weeks or something like that I'm all for it I'm happy to do it um and I'm happy to guide you outside the meeting as well, on The, Design, Channel or in private messages. If you are shy to share on the inside Channel as well I'm happy to to guide every one of you who wants to contribute have a good day.

B

Cool cool um I'm, also, let me say we are also looking forward to seeing more our meetings like this.

A

You were also looking for over there yeah.

B

C

B

Yeah I think Maya, try saying something.

A

Yeah I heard some points, but.

C

A

Okay, anyway, so I think that's that's a graphic, um see you in the next meeting, we'll we'll I'll I'll post it on The, Design, Channel uh um and I'll. Keep you up to date there on our slack right, so so that we can have more of this discussions uh regularly and we can come up with the design Community areas in GTI, okay, cool cool bipolars.

B

A

Everyone, thanks for joining bye, bye.