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A
All
right
we
are
being
live
streamed
today
is
thursday
july
14th,
and
this
is
our
fortnightly,
design
and
user
experience
meeting
and
before
we
jump
into
items
on
the
agenda,
we
should
go
around
and
do
a
quick
round
of
introductions
I'll
go
first
and
then
I
will
call
on
the
next
person
if
that
person
could
call
on
another
person
at
random.
That
would
be
great.
It's
called
popcorn
and
we'll
do
introductions
that
way.
My
name
is
jen
lampton,
I'm
joining
from
elkin
california.
A
I
don't
have
anything
designer
user
experience
related,
I'm
working
on
right
now,
but
I'm
very
excited
about
backdrop.
Live.
B
Tomorrow,
so
luke,
why
don't
you
go
next
hi?
I'm.
D
E
E
B
G
G
That
involving
one
of
my
favorite
topics
layouts,
and
we
could
talk
about
it
a
bit
today.
G
Sure
so
this
is
issue
1602
and
it's
five
years
old.
It
started
by
jim,
and
originally
it
was
the
idea
of
using
that
people
would
be
confused
about
using
asterisks
or
percent
signs
as
wild
cards
in
the
layout,
because
the
path
of
the
layout,
the
wild
card,
like
thing
is
the
percent
sign
placeholder,
because
it
fills
an
entire
chunk
of
the
path
and
that
people
would
like
to
have
a
way
of
applying
the
layout
to
more
paths
than
just
what's
defined
by
the
path
field
of
layout.
G
And
so
the
issue
has
been
going
along
for
a
while
and
there's
been
some
discussion,
and
I
guess
I
would
encourage
people
to
read
through
the
issue
because
there's
a
lot
of
discussion,
but
some
of
the
higher
points
are
points
and
questions
of
whether
we
should
use
a
percent
or
an
asterisk
or
both
to
achieve
this
functionality
and
there's
already
a
couple
of
pr's
from
doc.
Wilmot.
G
G
You
match
a
wider
range
of
paths
using
asterisks
in
addition
to
the
percent
sign
and
then
the
reason
I
brought
this
up
and
the
thing
I'm
pushing
is
a
different
approach,
which
is
to
add
a
new
field
to
layouts
that
that
behaves
like
the
url
paths,
field
in
visibility,
conditions,
block
visibility,
conditions
and
layout
visibility,
conditions
and
that
in
that
it'll
match
to
normal
pads
it'll
match
to
aliases
and
use
that
uses
exclusively
asterisks
to
denote
the
wildcard
functionality
and
the
percent
sign
is
only
used
in
the
original
layout
path,
which
yes
defines
a
set
of
paths
that
the
layout
matches,
but
also
defines
the
contexts
that
some
of
the
contexts,
if
there's
a
placeholder,
there
are
context
associated,
and
so
I've
got
a
pr
that
that
implements
this
and
tweaks
some
of
the
help
text.
G
I
realize
this
is
a
big
thing.
There's
a
lot
of
different
ways
of
doing
expanding
layout
and
we've
got
three
very
different
ways,
and
maybe
the
best
way
is
none
of
the
three
ers
that
are
submitted.
But
I'm,
I
guess,
I'm
a
little
motivated
to
put
some
and
have
some
hours
to
put
some
time
into
this.
So
I'm
soliciting
people
to
to
look
through
the
whole
issue,
to
look
at
all
the
prs
and
to
chime
in
on
these
open
issues-
and
I
don't
know
if
we
can,
you
know,
get.
G
A
core
worthy
solution
by
the
time
of
the
next
minor
release,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
get
this
issue.
A
A
A
long
time,
and
it's
something
that
I
think
also
clutters
existing
backdrop
sites
like
when
you
have
to
build
the
same
layout
four
times,
because
you
can't
have
four
different
paths,
because
you
can't
target
them
with
an
asterisk
and
you
can't
grip
them
more
than
one
placeholder
and
all
these
solutions,
I
think,
will
make
the
site
architect
experience
a
lot
better
in
that
respect
too.
So
yeah.
Thank
you
for
working
on
this
robert.
Thank
you
for
bringing
it
back
up.
A
It
sounds
like
now
what
you're
asking
for
is
for
us
to
go
and
test
those
three
and
see
which
one
we
think
is
our
favorite
and
maybe
pros
and
cons
of
each
and
then
that
way
we
can
help
figure
out
which
way
to
move
forward
or,
if
there's
some
kind
of
combination
of
what
we
have
there.
That
might
make
it
the
best
possible
solution.
Okay,
yeah.
A
All
three
of
those
progress,
just
so
you
know,
are
linked
from
issue
1602,
so
they're
not
on
separate
issues,
which
is
at
least
makes
them
easy
to
find.
I
do
think
there
are
some
related
issues
that
might
also
be
worth
looking
at
the
same
time
like,
I
think,
there's
another
one
that
just
adds
duplicate
path,
fields
I'll
go
see
if
I
can
find
it
but
yeah.
A
There
were
like
a
bunch
of
other
problems
that
weren't
necessarily
related
to
the
placeholder
just
with
like
layout
stuff
in
general,
and
I
think
this
might
solve
all
of
them.
So
if
in,
if
we
can
figure
out
the
right
solution
for
this
one,
we
can
probably
close
some
of
those
operations.
A
Okay,
well,
that
was
our
only
issue
from
the
forum
today.
It
was
also
the
only
issue
slated
for
the
agenda
for
today,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
design
related
and
user
experience
focused
issues
in
backdrop.
If
we
want
to
talk
about
any
of
them,
I
would
like
to
open
up
the
meeting
for
anyone
to
bring
anything
up.
We
don't
have
anything
to
talk
about.
We
could
talk
about
other
stuff
backdrop
live
is
tomorrow
and
there's
a
lot
going
on
with
that.
A
If
anyone
wants
to
share,
I
don't
know
potential
ideas
for
the
schedule.
That
might
be
a
good
use
of
our
time
too
things
we
might
want
to
talk
about.
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
have
a
specific
discussion,
for
example
on
design
or
user
experience,
or
I
don't
know
the
layout
system,
something
like
that
might
be
with
a
brainstorm
on
something
like
that
too.
If
we
wanted
anyone.
A
Okay,
well,
one
thing
I
do
want
to
say
goku
is
thank
you
for
making
the
graphic
that
I've
I've
seen
shared
on
social
media,
a
bunch
promoting
backdrop
live.
I
really
like
that.
I
thought
it
looked
really
good,
so
thank
you
for
putting
the
time
into
getting
that
ready
for
us.
A
Well,
we
are
going
to
have
another
meeting
in
just
over
half
an
hour
to
talk
about
other
development
issues
that
we're
working
on
if
there's
nothing
urgent,
related
to
design
a
user
experience
that
we
want
to
have
on
the
recording.
What
I
might
recommend
is
that
we
stop
the
live
stream
and
then,
if
we
want
to
hang
out
and
chat
less
formally
here
until
the
next
meeting,
we
can
continue
to
do
that.
C
H
E
A
A
E
Different
topics,
so
you
might,
you
might
want
to
check
on
the
I
think
event
planning.
Yes,.
E
A
A
Yeah,
I
think
I
I
think
it
looks
good.
I
like
the
red
dragon
yeah,
and
I
think
you
said
in
here
that
you
already
handed
over
the
template.
I
see
that
somewhere
in
here.
E
Yeah,
yes,
yes,
yes,
yes,
you
use
the
same
design
software
I
use
so
I
had
to
drop
the
sauce
file.
So
yeah.
A
I
think
that
looks
I
think
it
looks
great
dr
asked
if
we
could
put
people's
pictures
in
there
instead
of
the
dragon,
but
if
we
have
the
source
file,
then
that
should
be
easy
enough
to
switch
out.
If
we
want
to
do
that,
I.
A
D
E
Okay,
so
another
thing
I
was
going
through,
I
think
I
searched
directly
in
google
themes,
backdrop
teams
and
at
at
the
moment,
how
many
teams
do
we
have.
E
You
know
we
have
when
you
install
yes
design
team
like
after
installation
like
the
themes
you
can
actually
install
on
the
fly.
F
E
Okay,
so
so
here's
my
question:
let's
say
I
design
a
team.
What
would
it
take
to
implement
that
thing?.
A
E
A
E
I
there
was
this,
I
don't
know
which
I
don't
know.
If
it
was
the
announcement
channel
or
I
don't
know,
I'm
trying.
I
think
I
started
that
message.
A
E
A
So
I
dropped
a
link
into
the
zoom
chat.
I
can
also
share
it
in
the
zulu
chat
if
that's
valuable,
but
we
have
a
documentation
page
on
developing
themes
for
backdrop,
if
you're
starting
from
a
design
file,
it
really
depends
on
the
complexity
of
your
design
file
on
how
long
or
hard
it
will
be
to
turn
that
into
a
theme.
Super
super
complicated.
A
Also,
depending
on
what
things
are
included
in
the
design
file,
because
you
can
have
you
know
you
can
have
a
website
with
a
blog
section,
you
can
have
a
website
without
a
blog
section.
If
your
theme
doesn't
include
a
design
for
a
blog
section,
you
know
that
it
could
be
different
than
one
that
does
so
yeah.
A
We
have
something
called
a
style
guide
which
will
put
all
of
the
most
common
elements
from
a
backdrop
site
sort
of
onto
one
page,
which
is
really
helpful
for
figuring
out
what
needs
to
be
styled
or
what
needs
to
be
designed
if
you
want
to
start
from
that
include
stuff,
like
you
know,
comments
of
the
user
picture.
What
your
and
that
you
know,
I
don't
know
breadcrumbs,
look
like
and
stuff
like
that.
A
lot
of
themes
could
decide.
A
A
Technically
it
would
be
great
to
have
a
solid
understanding
of
html
and
css,
and
then
you're
gonna
need
to
learn
a
little
bit
about
the
backdrop
template
system
in
order
to
figure
out
where
to
put
stuff
and
that
hopefully,
most
of
that
is
documented
in
on
the
documentation
site.
You
should
at
least
be
able
to
get
a.
You
know
pretty
good
point
in
the
right
direction
to
get
started,
and
then
there
is
going
to
be
some
stuff.
A
That's
a
little
trickier
and
maybe
not
explicitly
defined
in
those
documentation
pages,
and
for
that
I
would
recommend
reaching
out
in
zulip
and
they're,
probably
going
to
be
some
people
who
can
help
with
the
finer
details.
A
A
Can
point
at
anyone
you
know
if
anyone
has
questions
about
like
I'm
trying
to
do
this
thing
and
it
doesn't
work,
I
can
put
in
some
time
to
help
figure
out
why
it's
not
working
and
point
you
in
the
right
direction,
but
I
have
a
lot
of
things
on
my
plate
right
now
and
I
really
want
to
work
on
field
group
and
core,
and
so
that's
where
my
priorities
are
between
now
and
september
first,
but
if
it
gets
in
before
that
more
time,
so.
E
C
D
C
A
So
I
mean
I
don't
know
what
you
were
thinking
specifically.
Were
you
looking
at
this
site
thinking
it
needed
to
look
nicer,
because
we
could
like
copy
what
they've
done
with
this
theme
and
then
sort
of
spruce
it
up
a
little
bit
and
then
re-release
it
and
then
contact
this
person
and
say
hey
like
we
improved
what
you
built
a
little
bit,
but
that
particular
website
would
have
to
choose
to
adopt
the
theme
that
we
set
up
in
order
to
get
those
changes
in
terms
of
what's
going
into
backdrop.
Course.
A
This
started
with
basis
right,
so
she
chose
whoever
built
the
site
chose
this
as
a
starting
point,
for
you
know
basis.
What's
in
fact,
of
course,
the
starting
point
for
their
theme.
We
could
do
a
bunch
of
work
on
basis
to
make
it
a
better
starting
point
that
might
make
it
look
a
little
nicer
with
the
same
amount
of
work
that
was
done.
A
We
could
also
think
about
creating
a
new
theme
that
would
replace
basis
and
that's
something
that
we've
talked
about
theoretically
for
a
while
about
having
a
new
theme
in
backdrop
core,
but
I
don't
know
that.
There's
any
like
tangible
plans
to
do
it.
That
doesn't
mean
that
if
we
didn't
have
someone
that
was
like,
I
definitely
want
to
do
this,
and
this
is
my
plan
that
it
wouldn't
get
done
so
the
way
that
the
current
theme
basis
got
into
core
because
we
had
one
person
in
our
community.
So
it's
like.
A
I'm
gonna
do
this
and
they
sat
down
and
they
made
a
bunch
of
designs
and
a
whole
bunch
of
people
said
we
love
it
and
then
they
wrote
the
code
and
then
it
went
into
core
and
I
think,
and
that
happened
in
the
backdrop
1.x
cycle.
We
used
to
not
have
a
core
theme,
and
now
we
do
have
a
core
theme
called
basis,
and
so
I
think
it's.
A
That
we
could
repeat
that
same
process
again
and
even
before
backdrop,
two
comes
out,
we
could
include
a
new
theme
in
core.
I
think
my
preference
would
be
to
figure
out
how
to
improve
the
theme
we
have,
but
we
have
some
major
issues
technically
with
backwards
compatibility
by
doing
that,
and
so
there's
some
stuff.
That's
like
not
maybe
not
theme
related.
We've
got
to
sort
out
for
that.
It's
definitely
a
lot
easier
to
take
a
brand
new
one
and
add
it.
A
So
I
think
if
you
really
wanted
to
do
that,
we
could
pursue
that
as
a
potential
option
for
a
future
release
of
backdrop
and
see
what
people
think
about
it.
Yeah
I
don't
know,
I
imagine,
there's
probably
a
lot
of
people
who
would
be
really
excited.
Will
you
get
something
a
little
more
modern
in
backdrop
core?
It's
been
a
while
since
basis
got
a
lot
of
serious
attention,
but
I
don't
know.
A
Another
way
that
these
things
can
get
into
core
is
if
we
wanted
to
just
create
the
theme
first
as
a
contributed
theme
and
release
it
and
have
people
start
using
it.
A
whole
bunch
of
people
are
using
it
and
they're.
Like
I
love
this.
A
This
is
so
much
better
than
basis,
or
I
want
this
in
addition
to
basis
or
whatever
we
can
just
take
the
theme,
that's
already
out
there
and
drop
it
in
core,
and
we
do
that
a
lot
with
modules
like
in
the
next
hour
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
entity
reference
which
is
a
module.
That's
existed
for
a
really
long
time
in
backdrop
and
before
that
in
drupal
that
just
everybody
has
used,
it's
like
become
the
standard
way
of
doing
references,
and
so
that's
the
module
that
we
just
dropped
into
backdrop
course.
A
So
we
could
do
that
same
process
with
a
theme
as
well.
If
we
had
a
theme
that
everybody
was
like,
oh
yeah,
this
is
fantastic
like
okay.
How
many
people
want
this
theme
in
core?
It
shows
up
on
our
list
of
issues,
everyone
votes
for
it,
and
then
it
gets
slated
for
a
future
release.
So
there's
sort
of
two
possible
paths
for
inclusion
in
core
how
the
benefit
to
having
something
out
in
contrib
first
is
that
you
can
iterate
on
it
really
quickly,
because
you
can
build.
A
It's
not
quite
right,
it's
not
quite
right
and
it's
really
hard,
because
it's
not
done
until
all
of
that
is
resolved,
where,
if
you
can
release
it
and
contribute,
you
can
make
it
done
and
then
you
can
make
it
better
over
time,
so
it's
usually
easier
to
put
something
out
in
they
can
trip
buckle
first,
I
think
that's
a.
F
J
C
All
right,
well,
the
things
that
google
was
saying.
Shark
man
has
this
kind
of
elephant
in
the
room.
That
seems
to
always
come
up
with
me
around
theming,
because
well
whenever,
whenever
in
the
you
know
over
years
and
years
and
years
whenever
I
like
dipped
into
the
world
of
theming,
I
find
it
relatively
relatively
compared
comparatively
easy
to
get
answers
to
sort
of
technical
things
of.
How
can
I
do
a
or
b
or
c
and
very
difficult
to
get
any
kind
of
advice
on?
A
I
mean
these
are
questions
I
don't
have
answers
to.
I
don't
I
don't
see
design.
So
I
like
that's,
why
I
usually
hire
designer
workers-
designers,
oh
my,
but
it
would
be
great
if
we
could
get
a
collection
of
resources
that
could
be
used
for
people
like
hey.
Are
you
interested
in
seeing
like
what
peop
modern
websites
are
doing
today?
Here's
a
website-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
even
exists
like
a
website
that
shows
you
like
top
trends
for
next
year,
and
then
we
wouldn't
have
to
update
the
link.
A
A
That
exists,
but
I
I
I
don't
know
what
it
is
but
yeah.
I
think
if
we
could
have
some
general
like
we
don't
do
design,
but
look
over
here.
Information
for
people
could
be
useful
because
a
lot
of
people
come
to
us
with
like
I
need
a
website
and
a
design
is
part
of
a
website,
and
we
don't
tend
to
include
that
because
we're
like
not
my
job.
I
just
do
backhand
right.
C
If
we
could
find
you
know
some
some
compet,
some
collection
of
website
design
resources
that
it
could
just
be
a
generic
like
this,
isn't
our
job,
but
if
you're,
if
you,
if
you
want
ideas
head
over
here
and
maybe
that
maybe
that'd
be
less
painful
anyway,
it
might
be
something
I
might
throw
in
a
backdrop
live
but
like
like
it's
hard,
if
you're,
if
you're
trying
to
come
up
with
an
official
answer,
it's
like
people
in
this
room
like
okay,
you
know
the
10
people
that
happen
to
be
here.
C
A
Yeah,
I
know
there's
a
bunch
of
open
issues
for
it
to
include
things
like
layouts,
because
it
was
built
long
before
we
had
layouts
and.
B
A
A
Yeah
yeah
for
sure
I'm
not
even
sure
how
much
of
the
original
form
elements
were
included
in
it
to
start
with
too
it's
sort
of
been
front
end.
Not
so
much
web
form
style
stuff
in
there.
But
that's
a
good
point.
C
Right
I'll
go
ahead,
then
I
I'll
just
throw
like
one
one
more,
just
like
like
ham
grenade
in
there
like,
like
what
I
mean
we
have.
We
have
our
designers
that
we
know
that
have
come
and
gone.
Maybe
we
should
periodically
like
just
pull
them
together,
be,
like
you
know,
every
everybody
that's
been
a
design
guru
just
come
for.
You
know
a
once
every
two
year
meeting
to
just
let
us
know
what
what
has
what
are
you
working.
B
A
Yeah,
I
mean
I
think
that
might
also
be
fun
like,
for
example,
we
do
this
backdrop
live
three
times
a
year.
What
if
we
set
up
like
sort
of
a
standing
like
design,
I
don't
know,
maybe
not
show
and
tell,
but
some
kind
of
like
way
that
designers
could
get
together
and
talk
about
the
cool
stuff
that
they're
seeing
going
on,
maybe
not
even
every
fact
of
life.
Would
you
know
something
like
once
a
year
once,
every
two
years.
A
To
all
of
the
people
who
we
know
have
been
contributing
to
backdrop
in
the
area
of
design
and
say:
hey
we've
got
you
on
this
standing
list
of
people
we're
going
to
send
an
invite
to
for
this
particular
meeting.
This
is
the
day
and
time
it's
happening
this
year.
Do
you
think
you
can
join
us
and
then
you
know
they
could
opt
in?
Yes,
no
or
stop
emailing
me
to
participate.
In
that
conversation,
I
think
that
could
be
interesting.