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B
Welcome
everybody
to
the
december
3rd
design
and
usability
meeting
for
backdrop.
Cms
jen
is
here
but
asked
me
to
start
facilitating.
B
We
we
usually
do
the
warning
about
turning
off
the
cameras
before
we
start
the.
B
Do
we
do
that
now
it's
too
late,
but
we
are
recording
this
meeting.
If
you
want
to
turn
off
your
camera,
you
can
just
be
aware
of
that.
B
Thanks
to
everybody
watching
do:
are
you
setting
up
the
youtube
link
or
putting
it
out
on
slack
for
anybody
who
wants
to
let's
just
jump
right
in
and
do
a
round
of
introductions
we're
just
asking
people
to
give
their
name
where
they're
from
and
any
other
short
snippet
of?
What's
new
in
your
life
or
what
you're
working
on
would
be
good,
and
I
think
everybody
knows
how
to
do
that.
That's
here
so
luke
do
you
want
to
start.
C
Sure
nickname
audible-
I
am
luke
mclaren
coming
to
you
from
beautiful
san
ramon,
california,
where
it's
only
a
little
cool.
C
I
do
web
product
management
and
some
programming
here
I
am
leading
or
following
in
various
ways
the
ready-to-wear
initiative,
which
is
about
design
issues
and
kind
of
bubbled
up
to
the
top,
and
I'm
going
over
my
30
seconds.
So
the
the
one
thing
I
I
I
was
gonna
say
and
I'll
I'll
chime
into
this
later
is,
as
I
poked
around
the
drupal
8
theme
world
recently
and
found
a
surprising
number
of
kind
of
ready
to
wear
stuff
that
I
want
to
talk
about
a
little
bit
later
and
I'll
bounce
it
over
to
jen.
A
Hi,
I'm
jen
lampton,
I'm
really
cold
today
for
some
reason
like
luke,
it
looks
nice
where
you
are
but
cold
here.
Let's
see,
I
don't
know
if
they
have
anything
exciting
in
the
design.
Usability
word
world,
except
for
that.
I
am
working
on
a
backdrop
site
right
now.
That
has
an
amazingly
beautiful
theme
I
purchased
it
though
so
I'm
not
sure
I
can
make
it
a
little
backdrop
kindred,
but
I'm
excited
to
show
it
off
when
I
get
it
done,
maybe
some
of
it
can
be
reused.
A
Let's
see
joseph,
do
you
want
to
go
next.
D
D
B
Yeah,
I'm
tim
erickson,
I'm
here
in
deerwood
minnesota
and
I
so
wanted
to
pick
up
my
camera
and
show
you
guys
who
are
californians
complaining
about
the
cold,
all
the
snow
outside
my
window,
but
unfortunately,
I'm
not
used
to
being
tied
down
to
a
dock.
I
actually
have
my
laptop
connected
to
a
dock,
so
all
kinds
of
crazy
things
would
happen.
If
I
try
to
disconnect
it
right
now,.
B
B
So
if
I
follow
the
agenda,
we
jump
right
into
the
theme
initiative
update.
So
luck.
I
know
luke
has
a
lot
to
tell
us
luke.
Do
you
have
any
updates
on
the
theme
initiative.
C
C
Like
okay,
like
I
understand
what
we
have
now
so
so
I
I
need
to
figure
out
how
to
how
to
bring
it
home,
but
basically
I
I
think
it
ties
into
some
other
things,
notably
the
the
documentation,
things
that
come
and
go
because
because
what
I've
become
convinced
of
doing
this
is
that
is
that
there's
there's
two
sides
to
it
and
the
the
theme
initiative,
like
the
thing
that
I
was
trying
to
spark
to,
can
at
best
only
do
part
of
it
like
it.
C
Here's
here's!
What
you
need
to
to
focus
on
so
so
I
mean
I
mean
my
my
goals,
for
the
ready
to
wear
initiative
were
were
to
block
off
like
the
danger
areas.
You
know
I
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
leading
new
users
into
starter
things
where,
where
you
can't
even
get
started
unless
you're
already
a
css
expert
and
various
things
like
that,
but
that'll
at
best
get
halfway
like
like
what
what
you're
gonna
end
up
with.
C
If
you
achieve
that
is
a
blank
slate
and
you're
still
gonna
have
to
fill
it
with
stuff
and
you're.
Gonna
have
to
have
some
sense
for
how
to
fill
it
with
stuff
and
and
I've
experienced
I've
been
playing
around
with,
for
example,
you
know
the
new
wordpress
designs
and
things
like
like
wix
and
squarespace,
and
and
even
those
you
know
you
can
get
like
sample
sample
sites
and
sample
things.
C
Is
you
get
a
little
assistance
to
help
me
figure
out
like
like
what
and
how
I
should
deliver
just
to
finish
this
thing
because
other
stuff,
I
want
to
work
on
too
and
I
think
chain
into
like
a
documentation,
effort
to
to
try
to
to
to
help
our
users
with
more
than
just
code
that
you
know
I
I
think
I
think
the
manual
side
of
it.
The
help
the
guide
inside
is
is
the
other
half
to
to
this
piece,
see.
B
Well,
just
a
couple
of
thoughts
on
your
initiative.
One
luke,
I
feel
like
just
having
it
on
the
agenda
every
week
has
has
has
been
having
an
impact
and
that
I've
been
seeing
people.
You
know,
we've
got
some
modules
that
are
useful
to
us
that
have
been
ported.
There
actually
were
a
couple
of
new
contrib
themes
that
popped
up.
I
know
it's
certainly
kept
it
on
my
personal
agenda
and
while
I
haven't
had
a
lot
of
time
to
work
on
it,
I've
certainly
been
thinking
about
it.
B
I
did
just
have
a
conversation
before
this
meeting
with
a
a
designer
that
we're
going
to
do
a
new
we're
about
to
start
a
new
d7
to
backdrop
project
for
a
small
non-profit,
and
I
made
a
specific
point
to
the
design
and
we
I
got
a
designer
working
on
a
custom
design
for
it,
and
I
told
him
one
of
my
goals
is
for
him
to
design
it
in
a
way
that
we
can
build
it
out
as
a
contrib
theme
and
make
it
reusable,
and
I
think
that's
probably
going
to
be
six
another
four
to
six
weeks
before
we
actually
start
working
on
that.
B
The
theme
part,
but
that
I
I
still
am
having
a
hard
time
wrapping
my
head
around
what
a
concrete
you
know,
an
approved
contrib
theme
has
to
do
to
be
compatible
with
all
of
the
templates,
because
I
never.
I
never
really
take
a
theme
and
then
like
try
it
with
all
the
different
templates
to
make
sure
it
works
right.
B
I
always
get
the
template
out
or
I
kind
of
know
what
my
layout
is
going
to
be,
and
I
get
a
theme
that
works
with
it,
and
so
this
idea
about
having
a
theme,
that's
generic
enough,
that
it
can
work
with
all
of
the
core
layouts
I
just
haven't
had
the
time
and
like
one
of
the
big
steps
forward.
I
think
this
initiative
has
helped
me
with.
Is
we
have
now
that
module
that
the
theme
switcher
module
and
just
in
the
little
bit
of
time
that
we
I
played
with
that?
B
It
was
really
helpful
to
to
be
able
to
have
some
content
on
the
site
and
then
just
switch
between
different
themes,
and
I
mean
I
think
we
saw
we
right
away
spotted
some
bug.
You
know
some
problems
in
one
or
two
of
the
themes.
At
least
one
of
the
themes
had
an
issue
that
got
fixed
because
of
of
that.
C
I
I
would
say
actually
that
a
a
ready-to-wear
flavored
theme
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
work
with
every
use
case,
but
in
order
for
it
to
to
achieve
division,
it
has
to
be
documented
right.
You
can
say
you
know
this
is.
This
is
good
for
a
very
text
heavy
site,
and
if,
if
that's
what
you
have
then
use
this,
you
know
it
wouldn't
be
necessarily
good
for
like
a
gallery
or
something
right
like
so
so
it's
okay
for
for
there
to
be
gaps
as
long
as
those
gaps
are,
you
know
not
secret.
B
Well,
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
happening
luke
is,
I
think
you
have
a
whole
picture
of
what
it
is
you're
trying
to
accomplish
early
on.
We
talked
about
some
really
specific,
like
shorter
term
goals,
and
one
of
them
was
like
that
to
have
an
idea
of
an
approved
theme,
a
theme
that
that
does
meet
certain
criteria
and
one
of
our
goals
was
to
like
settle
on.
Well,
what
does
that
mean?
B
And
that
would
be
a
really
concrete,
solid
thing
that
we
could
finish
but-
and
I
think
we
talked
some
about
it,
but
I
don't
know
that
we,
I
don't
think
we
made
a
decision
there
and
the
other
thing
was
then
like
to
have
this
site
where
you
with
some
sample
content,
where
you
could
put
a
theme
on
it,
you
could
try
it
out
in
different
layouts
with
that
content,
and
we
would
know
yes,
this
one
matches
the
criteria
for
being
approved
or
not,
and
then
we
could
direct
people
towards
the
themes
that
we've
approved,
and
I
think
you
know
my
own
sense
is
that
we
started
down
that
path.
B
But
you
you
have
other
ideas
that
in
your
head,
that
you're
thinking
about
and
we
kind
of
lost
focus
of
some
of
the
simple
things
we
could
do
just
to
get
done
and
those
those
things
by
no
means
would
accomplish.
I
think
everything
that
you're
trying
to
get
to,
but
to
me
they
would
be
really
good,
concrete
things
that
we
could
actually
check
off
and
say:
yep
we've
done.
That
part.
Does
that
make
sense.
C
C
C
None
of
them
are
particularly
none
of
them
are
black,
you
know
or
or
that
look
punk
or
artistic
or
or
you
know
that
appeal
they
all
seem
to
be
like
straight
ahead.
Business
themes
that
that
need
to
go
from
being,
like
you
know,
boring,
gray,
suit
and,
and
any
kind
of
you
know
customization
has
to
be
put
into
them.
C
So
you
know
you
can
hire
designer
to
do
that,
but
but
the
the
whole
theory
is
is:
can
we
get
it?
So
you
don't
have
to
hire
a
designer
to
get
something
that
that
looks
presentable.
So
so
I
I
I
feel,
like.
I
feel
like
there's
two
sort
of
business
analyst,
the
things
that
that
that
I
could
do
that
might
move
this
along.
One
would
be.
I
could
put
together
acceptance
criteria
for
for,
for
what
I'd
believe
we'd
want
to
what
we
I
can
use.
C
First
person,
plural,
you
know
what
we
would
need
to
see
to
to
kind
of
christen,
a
theme
as
being
ready
to
wear
and
and
then
and
then
maybe
sort
of
a
market
analysis
like
like
okay
given
given
what
we
have
now.
C
What
are
the
gaps
or,
what's?
What's
the
so
actually
there's
a
business
analyst?
I
need
to
do
a
gap,
analysis
between
current
state
and
future
state
and
and
then
we
can
turn
that
into
a
set
of
requirements.
B
If,
if
you're,
like
you
mentioned
like
having
a
meeting-
and
I
know
for
me,
putting
something
on
the
calendar,
helps
and
I've
been
meaning
to
do
that
for
for
my
initiative,
the
telemetry
initiative
is
just
schedule
a
meeting
and
even
if
one
other
person
comes
that'll
just
help
me
focus
time
on
it.
If
you,
if
we
do
that,
you
know
I'll
show
up
to
your
meeting
or
I'll
try
yeah.
C
What's
what's
what's
a
good
day
of
the
week,
let's
just
pick
one
and
and
we'll
aim
for
that.
B
Well,
it
I
I
I've,
been
thinking
about
trying
to
focus
my
my
backdrop,
stuff
on
tuesdays
or
thursdays.
So,
okay,
either.
C
C
What
if
we
like
targeted
this
time,
because
this
time
seems
to
work-
I
mean
we
experiment
with
different
times,
but
you
know
two
weeks:
do
we
look
for
like
noon
on
tuesday,
the
new
one
I
mean
one
of
the
things
you
know
studying
businesses
I
have
is
for
years
and
years
is.
It
is
one
of
the
things
that
that
I
aspire
to
do
is
to
not
endlessly
create
meetings,
because
that's
then
you
end
up.
B
C
So
so,
let's,
let's
start,
let's
start
setting
up
some
time
on
tuesdays,
just
so
that
we
we
share
that
expectation
that
that's
when,
when
we
try
to
make
something
happen,
and
that
gives
enough
space
so
that
it's
not
because
thursday
has
its
own
solar
system
of
things
that
go
around
it
and
you
stay
a
little
bit.
If
not
that'd
be
good.
Tuesday
say
this.
B
Okay,
anybody
else
have
any
questions
or
comments
about
this
initiative
before
we
move
on.
B
Okay,
so
my
amateur
meeting,
the
facilitation
hat
on,
so
we
have
this
list
of
ux
issues
that
we
kind
of
go
through
every
week.
I
don't
well,
sometimes
we
don't
list.
Do
we?
Is
it
helpful
to
read
through
all
of
these,
or
should
we
just
look
through
and
see
which
ones
need
to
be
talked
talked
about.
A
B
B
A
B
I
have,
in
the
past,
suggested
on
some
of
these
issues
that
we
sort
of
give
a
one
last
chance
before
we
to
see
if
there's
consensus
before
we
take
it
to
the
pmc.
I'm
not
sure.
If
that
issue
isn't
one
that's
beyond
that
or
I
don't
know
do
you
have
an
idea
like
how
we
could
unstick
that
issue.
A
Yeah
and
I
feel
like
there's
so
many
ideas
in
there
that
I
wouldn't
even
know
it's
like
every
time
they're
like
hey,
can
we
have
consensus
and
idsc
and
someone's
like
what
about
idea
d
and
you're
like
oh
and
then
you
have
to
kind
of
go
all
through
the
all
the
questions
again.
So
I
don't
know.
I
think
I
need
to
reread
that
issue
to
see
it
does
seem
like
we're
getting
closer
to
something
people
agree
on.
I
don't
know.
B
Well,
let's
say
I
mean
we
can't
take
that
issue
to
the
the
bmc
without
like
a
good
summary
of
it
right
and
and
and
we
need
to
know
what
the
question
is-
we'd
be
asking
the
pmc,
so
there
there's
at
least
some
work
that
would
have
to
happen,
and
so
my
reluctance
of
like
saying
yeah,
let's
take
that
to
the
pmc,
is
I
don't
have
the
time
right
now
to
go
through
and
summarize
it.
B
So
I
would
sort
of
say
that
the
next
step
is
somebody
has
to
go
through
review,
that
figure
out
whether
we're
close
to
a
consensus
or
not,
and
if
we're
not
figure
out
like
what
is
it,
you
know,
how
can
the
bmc
constructively
help.
A
Yeah,
I
think
the
summary
that
you
added
earlier
this
year
is
really
good
where
you
went
through
and
consolidated
all
the
objections
to
each
approach
in
the
top
issue
that
it
could
be
that
this.
A
Yeah,
I
think
so
wait
which
issue
are
we
talking
about.
B
A
B
B
A
I
mean,
I
think
it
looks
like.
A
B
B
B
Well,
you
know
you
know,
so
I
I
mean
I'm
not
against
taking
it
to
the
pmc
I
just
I'd,
rather
we
didn't
have
to,
but
here
so
what
did?
The
last
comment
is
olaf,
clarifying
before
we.
B
Okay,
well,
I
think
we
should
just
make
a
note
on
this
issue
that
we'd
like
to
take
it
to
the
pmc,
but
we'd
like
for
somebody
to
sort
of
review
it
first
and
make
sure
that
that's
necessary
and
that
we're
not
close
the
pro
I
mean
the
other
thing
I
think
to
take
it
to
the
pmc.
We
almost
need
an
advocate
somebody
who
can
answer
questions
and
understand
the
issue,
and
for
me
that
would
take
a
little
bit
of
work
and
you
know
I
might
be
willing
to
do
that.
B
B
These
other
issues,
the
next
few
issues
better.
I
saw
your
cursor
moving
around.
Have
you
looked
at
any
of
these
issues,
better
help
text
for
layout
path
field?
What's
the
status
there.
A
It
needs
work
and
indigo
zella
found
some
problems
with
miley's
pull
request.
So
it's
failing
tests.
F
B
B
Yeah,
okay!
Well,
let's
I
will
make
sure
that's
on
my
list
of
I'm
gonna
open
a
browser
tab
too
and
see
if
I
can
get
to
it
at
least
commenting
on
it
rename
local
module.
I
don't
remember
this
one.
A
Okay-
let's
see
so
in
drupal
8,
this
module
is
now
called
interface.
Translation,
which
I
think
is
a
lot
better
than
locale
locale
is
one
of
those
things
that
doesn't
really
describe
the
module
very
well,
but
I
think
there
was
some
concern
about
changing
the
human
name
in
the
middle
of
a
1.x
cycle.
B
B
I'm
just
not
it
sounds
to
me
like
we
don't
have
any
updates
on
that.
F
B
And
export
import
tab
order.
I
haven't
seen
any
activity
on
that
recently,
so
I
think
we
should
kind
of
skip
over
some
of
these
unless
somebody
has
an
update.
A
Well,
export
import
tab
order
is
something
I've
been
thinking
about
a
lot
a
lot
lately,
because
I
think
I
recommended
just
swapping
export
and
import,
because
walmart
raised
a
better
point
that
rather
than
grouping
them
by
like
single
site
and
full
site
and
then
having
expert
import
in
each
if
we
group
them
by
export
and
had
single
site
full
site
and
import
single
site
full
site,
that
might
be
a
better
match
to
people's
mental
model,
and
he
said
that
and
it
sort
of
blew
my
mind,
but
now
every
time
I
see
those
tabs,
I
want
it
the
way
he
recommended
instead
of
the
way
I
recommended
this
issue.
A
Okay,
so
I
I
keep
looking
at
this
going.
I
want
to
do
dr
alma's
thing
more
than
my
thing,
so
I
haven't
been
thinking
about
it.
What
was
this?
Was
it
gregory's
recommendation?
Maybe
it
was
great.
I.
B
Think
it's
gregory's
yeah,
so
this
is
probably
a
relatively
simple
one
to
do.
Isn't
it
to
implement
or
not
or
is
it
more
complicated
than
it
looks
it.
A
Is
simple,
but
we
need
to
do
a
lot
of
backwards.
Compatible,
url
redirection
because
we're
going
to
be
changing
rather
than
being
like
full
slash,
export,
it's
going
to
be
export,
slash,
full
and
so
there's
got
to
be
a
lot
of
mapping
so
that
if
anyone
had
linked
to
one
of
the
other
ones,
it'll
map
it
back
and
there's
a
lot
of
examples
of
that
before
we've
got
this
go
to
deprecated
thing.
A
A
B
C
C
A
C
A
C
A
Have
to
be
done
anyway,
it
doesn't
move
it
forward,
but
if
we
do
this
now,
there
will
be
less
work
later
like.
If
we
do
this
later,
there
will
be
more
work
to
solve
this
issue,
because
we'll
have
two
more
pages
that
need
to
be
redirected,
and
I
also,
I
think
that
the
problem
with
solving
the
recipe
thing
is
not
a
interface
problem.
A
It's
like
more
of
a
technical
challenge
of
like
how
do
you
actually
get
the
back
end
to
do
the
copying
and
installing
and
exporting
that
you
want.
Maybe
there's
a
user
interface
challenge
on
the
export
piece,
but
for
the
most
part,
it's
not
like,
which
tabs
go
in
which
order
just
sort
of
a
different
kind
of
problem.
Just
the
same
part
of
the
site,
fair
enough.
B
Yeah,
I
think
that's
true
I
would
like
to
to
I
mean
certainly
having
a
pr.
It
would
be
nice
to
just
quickly
think
about
to
make
sure
that
this
isn't
changing
anything
that
we'd
want
to
re-change
later.
I
don't
know
that
it
is,
and
it
sounds
like
probably
not,
but
so
yeah
luke
had
a
rough
experience
with
config
in
the
last
week.
B
But
I
wanted
I
was
going
to
go
and
sync
my
dev
site
to
to
to
or
but
yeah
my
dev
site
with
the
production
site,
and
I
just
had
a
brain
fart
and
did
it
backwards.
I
exported
my
dev
config
and
imported
it
into
production
and
boom.
I
just
overwrote
my
production
configuration
and
there
isn't.
B
I
was
able
to
solve
this
because
I
had
server.
You
know
a
complete
server
snapshot
from
the
night
before
so
I
was
able
to
get
into
my
server.
You
know
a
snapshot
of
the
linode,
pull
out
the
config
files
and
replace
them,
but
it
would
have
been
so
nice
if
backup
and
migrate
could
be
backing
up
my
config
files
as
well
on
a
daily
basis,
so
anyways
that's
a
different
topic,
but.
B
It
I
spent
two
hours
figuring
out
how
to
retrieve
those
files
off
of
my
linux,
backup,
because
I'd
never
done
that
before
the
next
we
should
move
on.
There
are
some
new
business,
so
actually
we're
almost
out
of
time.
B
If
that's
okay,
yeah,
there's
better
defaults
for
page
layouts,
I
want
to
one
just
confirm
whether
or
not
we
should
try
and
solve
that
and
two
gen
the
hold
up
on
that
is
that
sort
of
I
have
a
pr
that
just
changes
the
the
default
layout.
B
A
Yeah,
so
the
way
that
a
layout
template
file
works
is
that
it
has
printed
in
the
template,
the
page
title,
the
messages
and
the
tabs
they're
specific
variables
they
get
plugged
into
the
tpl.php
file
and
pretty
early
in
backdrop's
release
cycle.
We
realized
that
we
wanted
to
be
able
to
move
those
things
around
on
the
page
and
someone
came
up
with
a
great
idea.
A
And
when
we
did
that
it
gave
us
a
lot
more
flexibility
about
what
we
could
do
with
the
templates,
but
if,
if
we
start
every
new
site
with
having
those
three
blocks
placed
instead
of
using
where
they
are
in
the
template,
I
think
it'll
be
really
confusing
to
people
as
to
why
those
things
are
in
the
template
and
it
might
cause
people
to
not
put
them
in
their
own
templates
and
that
could
cause
if
somebody
removed
one
of
those
in
the
future.
A
And
so
I
don't
know
if
my
like
chain
of
concerns
is
like
valid
enough
to
like
stop
this
from
moving
forward,
but
it
creates
some.
I
mean
it's
different
than
what
we
have
now.
I
don't
know
if
people
learning
it
will
think
it's
more
intuitive
in
the
future
or
not,
but
I
think
that
we
have
other
ways
to
solve
this,
and
if
the
issue
is
only
something
we
want
to
change
in
the
basis
theme
and
not
something
we
want
to
change
everywhere,
this
layout
is
used.
A
Then
we
can
do
that
by
overriding
this
layout
in
the
basis
theme
and
moving
those
variables
to
where
we
want
them
in
the
page.
So
yeah
there
are
issues
with
backwards
compatibility.
A
If
you
had
a
site
using
a
basis
sub
theme,
your
blocks
would
get
moved
your
page
title
messages
and
breadcrumbs
would
get
moved
into
their
new
locations
if
a
new
template
file
landed
in
the
core
basis
theme
right,
I
don't
know
if
we
want
that
or
not,
it
would
be
easy
enough
to
undo
like
if
that
person
who
had
that
custom
theme
just
copied
the
file
from
core
into
their
template.
It
would
be
fine,
but
it
would
be
an
unexpected
change,
which
I
would
like
to
avoid
for
existing
sets.
B
This
is
not
backward
compatible
that
when
I've
talked
not
everybody's
convinced,
we
need
to
make
this
change
and
sort
of
what
I've
heard
is
like.
If
we
do
make
this
change,
it
should
only
affect
new
sites
yeah
and
you
know,
and
of
course
it
should
be
backwards
compatible,
and
so
my
solution
with
just
changing
the
template
does
both
of
those
things,
your
your
point
that
it
makes
it
sort
of
like
we're.
Not
actually
you
know,
I
wouldn't
actually
be
removing
the
code
in
the
template
file.
B
A
Yeah,
my
concern
is
not
about
like
technically
whether
it's
going
to
work
or
not
it's
about.
If
anyone
knew
is
going
to
understand
it
because
they're
like
this
is
not
where
my
block
is
on
the
page.
Why
is
it
in
the
template
file
here
or
like
if
this
isn't
where
it
is,
and
I
have
a
block?
Why
do
I
even
need
it
in
the
template
file
and
I
feel
like?
A
Maybe
I'm
not
remembering
this
super
clearly,
but
when
we
first
started
with
backdrop,
we
deliberately
decided
not
to
make
these
things
blocks
because
they
are
mandatory
and
when
we
added
them
as
blocks,
we
only
did
it
in
a
way
that
made
it
so
that
they
were
still
mandatory,
but
they
could
also
be
blocked
rather
than
just
replacing
them
with
blocks,
so
the
block
could
be
removed,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
my
concern
around
this,
like
understanding
thing,
is
a
big
enough
reason
to
not
implement
it,
but
it
did
sort
of
set
up
a
red
flag
where
it's
like.
A
If
I
was
someone
new
when
I
came
to
backdrop-
and
I
saw
all
these
things
for
blocks,
I
would
be
like.
Why
is
this
in
my
template
file
and
if
I
was
going
to
make
new
ones,
maybe
I
wouldn't
add
it
so
I
mean
there
are
a
lot
of
maybes
in
there
but
yeah,
and
so
then
I
was
like.
Can
we
look
at
other
ways
of
doing
it
and
then
this?
This
change
would
also
affect
like
every
theme.
A
So,
regardless
of
what
theme
you
used,
if
you'd
yours
would
you
mean
yours
would
because.
F
A
B
A
A
Maybe
we
should
do
it
in
basis,
but
that
would
have
effects
on
downstream,
like
people
who
are
using
bases
as
a
sub
theme
or
people
are
using
a
site
with
basis
as
a
whole,
and
I
don't
know
like
some
people
might
see
it
as
an
improvement
right
if
you're
just
using
stock
backdrop
with
no
changes
at
all
and
you're
like
oh.
Why
are
my
breadcrumbs
over
here
and
then
you
would
apply
the
update.
Oh
that's
better.
A
I
feel,
like
some
people
can
still
see
that
as
an
improvement,
but
I
feel
like
those
kind
of
changes
should
be
opted
into
yeah.
B
Right,
I
mean
the
only
reason
that
I
pursued
this
is
it
felt
like
it
was
an
easy
change
that
would
be
totally
only
affect
new
sites
and
and
then
it
would
just
make
backdrop
a
little
easier
and
friendlier
to
use
out
of
the
box
again
to
me
it's
like
every
time
I
open
up
a
basis
theme,
and
I
see
the
breadcrumbs
there.
It
just
looks
wrong
right
and
it's
like
it's
not
hard
to
fix.
It's
just
like
if
it
looks
wrong,
why
not?
You
know
just
make
it
look
better.
So.
A
B
B
Well,
my
initial
pull
request
actually
moved
more
things
around
this
one.
The
only
thing
that
moves
is
the
breadcrumbs,
but
the
only
way
to
do
that
is
to
is
to
take
it
out.
You
know
as
to
not
use
that
default,
so
I
have
to
place.
I
have
to
place
like
three
blocks
on
the
page,
but
the
only
one
that's
in
a
different
place
is
the
breadcrumbs
right
because
they're
all
they
were
all
covered
by
variables
before,
but
the
only
way
to
break
them
is
like
to
replace
them
with
three
blocks.
I
think.
A
B
F
A
B
Very
and
well,
when
I
first
proposed
this
issue,
I
also
like
proposed
moving
the
tabs.
You
know
to
where
I
thought
they
made
more
sense,
but
then
you
know
when
there
was
a
lot
of
people
sort
of
push
back
like
maybe
everybody
doesn't
want
these.
I
realized
the
one
thing
that
bugged
me,
the
most
was
the
breadcrumbs.
B
B
Well,
people
are
showing
up
for
the
dev
meeting.
I
don't
know
if
there's
anything
else,
I'm
looking
quick
to
see
if
there's
anything
else
on
the
the
agenda
that
we
should
well.
C
B
Issue
I
had
put
out
a
proposal
recently
that
we
that
we
possibly
take
that
to
the
pmc,
and
my
proposal
was
that
we
like
set
a
deadline
for
people
to
give
their
input
state
their
preferences
at
the
end
of
the
deadline.
We
look
to
see
if
we
have
something
close
to
a
consensus.
B
If
not,
we
kick
it
to
the
pmc,
and
at
this
stage
I
don't
think
that
we're
going
to
make
a
decision
before
the
next
release.
So
what
I
would
propose
is
that
people
get
whatever
input
they
want
on
this
issue
in
this
release
cycle
and
then,
when
we
do
the
release,
we,
you
know
first
thing
in
the
net.
You
know
after
release.
B
We
come
back
to
this
issue,
see
if
we're
close
to
a
consensus,
if
not
that
we
that
we
possibly
take
that
to
the
pmc,
because
this
seems
to
be
the
issue
that
just
keeps
coming
up
everywhere
now,
so
I
don't
know
if
anybody
wants
to
just
you
know.
The
only
decision
that
we'd
have
to
make
here
is
if
we
wanted
to
sort
of
set
a
deadline,
like
you
know,
get
your
input
in
by
this
date.
If
you
want
to
be
heard.
B
So,
let's
close
this
meeting,
is
there
anything
else.