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A
All
right
we
are
live.
This
is
june
2nd
2022.
This
is
our
weekly
design
and
user
experience
meeting
and
we're
gonna
go
around
to
do
some
quick
introductions.
I
will
start.
My
name
is
jen
lampton.
I
am
joining
from
oakland
california,
and
today
I'm
working
on
a
google
analytics
module
update,
so
that'll
come
out.
Hopefully,
before
the
end
of
the
day,
robert,
do
you
wanna
go
next.
B
Sure
I'm
robert
lange,
from
folder
on
the
internet,
coming
to
you
from
altadena.
C
I'm
tim
erickson,
oh,
we
lost
our
guest,
I'm
tim
erickson,
I'm
st
paul
tim
and
I
am
in
deerwood
minnesota,
yeah
and
we'll
leave
it
at
that.
Let's
jump
right
into
things,
but
our
guest
of
honor
disappeared.
C
A
A
I
think
we
might
have
mentioned
that
in
the
last
design
usability
meeting,
but
I'm
announcing
it
one
more
time
because
I'm
going
to
remove
this
from
the
repeating
template,
so
we
won't
see
it
again
but
yeah.
That's
the
only
thing
that
we
had
on
today's
agenda.
If.
A
Our
guest
comes
back.
This
is
someone
who
contacted
us
on
twitter
and
said
hi,
I'm
a
designer.
I
want
to
help
with
open
source.
Where
can
I
be
most
valuable?
And
I
pointed
him
at
a
list
of
issues
tagged
with
design
and
he
said.
Oh,
it
looks
like
there's
a
lot
of
user
experience
issues
in
here
too,
and
I
said
yes,
we
have
plenty
of
user.
A
Issues
and
he
did
a
review
of
some
of
the
issues
he
fired
up
a
demo
site.
He
did
some
sort
of
higher
level
review
of
the
software
as
a
whole
and
I
think
he's
coming
back
to
us
with
some
recommendations.
That
would
be
not
necessarily
specific
improvements
for
individual
issues
but
sort
of
big
picture
goal,
thinking
which
I
think
could
be
really
valuable
to
us.
A
I
know
we
sort
of
inherited
which
drupal
had
and
we've
been
trying
to
make
little
improvements
here
and
there,
and
sometimes
we
miss
some
of
that,
like
cohesion,
that
I
think
could
be
really
valuable
and
I
think
designers,
and
especially
user
experience
or
user
interface,
designers
or
user
interaction
designers
have
a
lot
of
insight
into
stuff
like
that,
and
his
portfolio
is
really
comprehensive.
He's
done
a
lot
of
work
for
a
bunch
of
great
organizations
and
I
think
he
could
be
a
really
valuable
asset
to
our
team.
So.
C
Good
well,
so
what
do
we
want
to
talk
about
until
he
does
one
one
thing
that
having
a
designer
around
might
that
we
could
talk
about,
because
right
now
would
be
the
if
we
wanted
to
start
making
design
changes
in
effect
css.
We
have
to
resolve
this
old
css
issue
and
jen.
On
occasion.
C
I
have
made
comments
to
the
fact
that
we're
kind
of
stuck-
and
you
have
said-
oh,
I
thought
we
have
the
solution
and
I
mean
I
I
mean
I
think
you
and
I
maybe
have
identified
something
that
we
think
would
work
well,
but
I
think
the
stickiness
is
getting
enough
buy-in
from
other
people,
but
but
that's
my
assessment.
What
is
your
assessment
of
where
this
is
at?
Are
we.
C
D
A
A
example
of
it,
and
so
I
think
what
we
might
need
to
do
is
solve
one
of
our
outlying
css
issues
using
the
recommended
approach
and
see
if
we
can
get
core
committers
to
review
it,
because
I
think
they'll
be
sort
of
the
final
call
on
whether
they
think
that
kind
of
backwards
compatibility
is
going
to
be
both
safe
and
sustainable.
D
A
C
Well,
that
makes
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
It's
like
a
way
to
possibly
move
this
forward.
I
personally
have
just
kind
of
moved
on
from
it,
because
I
wasn't
have
been
frustrated
and
not
sure
what
to
do
next,
so
that
that
it's
a
plan
of
action
that
makes
sense
to
me,
so
we
just
gotta
sort
of
well,
I
don't
know,
is
that
is
the
solution
to
this
separate
from
an
individual
fix,
or
do
we
because
like
well?
Maybe
can
I
ask
this?
A
I
think
it
was
with
every
core
minor
release,
or
even
maybe
once
a
year
we
would
add
a
new
body
class
and
then,
when
we
introduce
css
between
an
initial
version
and
a
final
version,
we
add
the
specific
selector
on
it
and
we
could
have
something
that
would
indicate
like
that.
Whatever
version
you
installed
that
and
you
would
only
get
those
selectors
until
that
version
you
installed
and
after
that,
your
site
would
not
get
any
additional
selectors.
A
So
if
you
installed
at
121,
you
would
only
get
css
from
121
and
before,
if
you
installed
at
122,
you'd
get
css
from
22
and
before
and
then
that
way,
it'll
allow
us
to
keep
our
css
selectors
in
the
same
style
sheet
and
in
the
correct
location
and
when
it
gets
to
backdrop
2.
All
we
have
to
do
is
remove
all
of
the
version
specific
selectors
and
it
doesn't
require
a
lot
of
work
on
in
terms
of
getting
the
old
stuff
into
the
nature.
C
A
Yeah
there
is,
we
have
to
add
a
some
kind
of
a
variable
for
the
version
when
you
installed
backdrop-
and
I'm
not
sure
if
we
have
something
like
that
already,
but
I
was
thinking
it
could
be
something
we
throw
into
system
core
like
it's
not
going
to
be
used
for
anything
else,
and
that
would
just
be
used
for
you
know
determining
the
body
classes
that
are
getting
output
on
any
individual
site.
But
I
think
that's
the
only
like
thing.
A
We
need
to
do
that,
isn't
adding
the
solution,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
needs
to
be
done
in
a
separate
issue
or
could
be
done
as
part
of
one
of
our
solutions.
But
I
think
that
if
we
include
it
in
the
pull
request
with
one
of
our
solutions,
court
developer
will
be
able
to
review
it
there.
And
then
we
can
say
here's
the
previous
issue
with
the
solution
and
they
can
decide
where
they
want
to
have
the
change
committed.
A
G
Okay,
well,
my
name
is
google
and
I'm
a
designer
I
reached
out
to
backdrop
cms
on
twitter,
okay,
so
I
found
out
it
was
an
open
source
project
and
I
wanted
to
contribute
so
I
reached
out
to
twitter
and-
and
it
gave
me.
G
The
other
informations
the
backlog
on
github,
where
I
went
through
several
issues
that
were
reported
over
2000
issues
and
also
I
asked
how
I
could
reach
the
design
team
and
I
was
told
you
meet
once
every
two
weeks
and
then
here
I
am
it's
great
to
be
here,
though
it's
great
to
be
here.
I
would
love
to
know
what
backdrop
cms
is
all
about
and
then
how
I
can
contribute
also
as
a
designer.
A
Yeah,
we
really
suffer
from
a
shortage
of
designers
in
the
backdrop
community,
so
we're
very
glad
to
have
you
or
mostly
a
developer
based
community,
and
that
does
sometimes
lead
to
getting
stuck
in
terms
of
making
progress
on
design
or
user
experience
improvements
in
the
product.
So
we're
really
glad
to
have
you,
which
is
great
in
terms
of
how
you
can
contribute.
A
I
feel
like
getting
your
feedback
in
the
issue
queue
if
you
see
something
we're
talking
about,
and
you
have
an
idea
for
how
to
solve
it.
Adding
a
comment
is
number
one
great,
because
that
way
we
know
that
there's
a
designer
in
the
conversation,
it's
not
just
a
bunch
of
developers
talking
about
what's
easiest
implement,
but
someone
thinking
about
how
it's
going
to
affect
the
product
as
a
whole
and
then,
if
there
are
issues
where
we
require
specific
designs
for
things
like
what
do
we
make?
A
This
look
like
it's
a
place
where
you
could
mock
something
up
and
post
a
screenshot
or
even
deliver
a
design
file.
If
we
have
developers
who
are
looking
for
a
design
file
to
work
on
something-
and
so
we
haven't
done
a
lot
of
that
recently
in
terms
of
working
on
design
because
we're-
I
don't
know
five
six
seven
years
into
having
version
one
out
and
there
hasn't
been
a
lot
of
design
changes
in
that
time,
and
so
our
next
major
version
is
planned
to
come
out
in
2025.
A
So
we
have
a
couple
of
years
to
work
on
stuff
between
now
and
then
that
we'll
get
into
2025's
release,
which
would
be
great,
but
we
also
have
realized
that
we're
pretty
capable
of
making
changes
in
the
first
version,
it
took
us
a
while
to
figure
that
out,
because
we
have
a
commitment
to
not
breaking
people's
sites
who
are
already
using
the
software
and
we're
tim-
and
I
were
just
talking
before
you
joined
about
solving
an
issue
that
is
blocking
some
of
our
design
changes.
B
Backdrop
evolved
out
of
drupal
and
it's
about
building
sites
that
have
structure
and
relationships
between
the
data
and
that
kind
of
distinguishes
it
from
wordpress,
but
in
a
fairly
let's
say,
developer
friendly
way,
which
distinguishes
it
from
drupal
8
and,
above
the
stated
goal
of
backdrop,
is
I
think
I
get
this
frozen.
It's
our
commitment
is
to
the
site
builders,
as
opposed
to
developers.
B
It's
geared
towards
small
business
and
non-profits,
who
don't
have
a
lot
of
resources
to
grow
into
major
redevelopments
all
the
time
and
things
like
that,
and
if
I
can
just
throw
in
sort
of
my
personal
impression
from
having
been
involved
about
a
year
now,
it's
a
pretty
friendly
development
community.
B
I
was
welcomed
in
I've,
made
a
lot
of
mistakes
along
the
way
and
people
have
been
pretty
gentle
about.
You
know
pointing
them
out
and
educating
me
and
so
I've
grown
and
from
the
experience
and
therefore
very
much
like
working
in
this
community.
A
That's
great
thanks,
robert
for
sharing
that
so
goku
on
twitter
tim
and
I
are
usually
people
who
manage
that
account.
So
when
you're
talking
to
people
on
twitter,
it's
usually
one
of
us
so
hello
welcome
to
the
meeting
it
was
intense.
A
So
yeah
and
then
in
terms
of
the
way
our
community
works.
We
have
a
handful
of
people
who
can't
always
make
these
weekly
meetings,
which
is
why
they're
recorded
in
broadcast
live.
So
if
you
want
to
watch
it
later,
that's
a
resource
for
people,
and
then
we
have
this
meeting
this
hour
and
then
the
next
hour.
We
have
sort
of
a
developer
focus
meeting
where
we
can
talk
about
issues
that
are
more
relevant
for
the
non-designer
part
of
the
community.
A
So
when
our
weekly
meetings
first
started,
I
think
this
was
a
design
only
meeting,
and
that
was
in
the
very
early
parts
of
backdrop.
And
since
then
we
realized
that
it
would
be
great
to
have
a
place
to
talk
about
user
experience
issues
specifically
too
and
so
they're
now
included.
A
I
don't
know
if
there
was
anything
that
you
looked
at
in
your
initial
review
of
the
software
or
the
issues
that
stuck
out
to
you
as
something
you
wanted
specifically
discussion
on,
if
you're
just
hoping
to
join
this
first
meeting
to
get
in
touch
with
the
design
community
or
what
your
your
goals
were
here,
but
because
we
don't
have
a
lot
on
the
agenda.
We're
happy
to
talk
about
whatever
you
want
to
talk.
G
So
I
think
first
off
I
actually
joined
the
meeting,
so
I
would
get
to
know
the
design
team
and
then
I
know
I
said
some
stuff
about
the
identity
system.
That's
getting
to
know
your
design
system
and
also
I
was
hoping
to
see
a
documentation
on
your
brand
like
the
design
exactly
so
I
couldn't
really
find
that
resource
on
the
website,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
can
point
me
to
something
to
a
document.
I
can
check
to
see
the
brand
guidelines
the
design
system.
A
Okay,
so
we
have
two
sort
of
distinct
parts
to
our
brand
there's
backdrop
cms
the
organization,
the
community,
the
like
group
that
manages
everything
and
we
have
our
own
design
for,
like
our
website,
our
logo,
all
of
that
stuff,
and
then
there
is
the
brandon
identity
for
the
product,
which
is
a
little
bit
different.
So
the
product
is
something
that's
owned
by
the
organization,
but
it
it
doesn't.
Look
like
the
website,
for
example,
right
like
it
should
be
a
different
piece
of
software,
and
so
I
shared
a
link
in
the
chat.
A
A
But
for
this
product
itself
we
sort
of
have
some
other
resources
we
have.
What's.
It
called
the
style
guide.
F
A
And
the
style
guide
applies
to
two
different
things.
One
of
them
is
the
front
end.
A
The
public-facing
theme
that
you
see
when
you
are
using
backdrop,
the
software
and
then
we
have
another
one
that
applies
to
the
back
and
sort
of
administrative
interface,
and
so
we
have
sort
of
a
very
different
feel
between
when
you're
viewing
a
page
on
your
site
and
when
you're
editing
a
page
on
your
site,
and
so
they
have
two
different
style
guides,
and
so
we
have
one
guide
for
what
the
front
end
style
should
look
like,
and
one
guide
for
what
the
back
end
should
look
like
and
in
order
to
visualize
those,
we
have
a
module
that
you
install
on
your
website
and
you
say
show
me
all
the
visual
elements
in
a
particular
theme,
and
so
the
theme
is
what
determines
what
the
front
or
back
looks
like,
and
so
we
like
to
use
the
style
guide
to
help
us
make
sure
we've
implemented
everything
correctly
in
the
theme.
A
A
Okay,
so
we
have,
in
the
backdrop,
ops
group,
this
style
guide
page,
and
this
is
what
we
were
using
for
our
administrative
interface
and
there's
a
page
there
github
io
thank
yeah
that'll.
Let
you
view
the
way
we
hoped
to
have
everything
displayed.
A
So
we
had
a
designer
work
on
this
version
of
our
style
guide,
and
then
we
set
all
our
developers
to
go
and
make
the
site
look
like
it,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
we're
100
of
the
way
there,
but
we're
pretty
close.
We've
got
most
of
it
included
in
the.
E
H
A
Here
is
the
issue,
and
this
might
be
way
too
much
detail
for
you,
but
I'm
dropping
a
link
into
the
chat.
That
is
the
issue
where
we
added
the
new
front.
End
theme
to
backdrop
core.
So
when
we
originally
released
backed
up
it
looked
exactly
like
drupal
and
it
took
us
a
while
to
sort
out
our
own
identity
and
come
up
with
our
own
theme.
There's
a
bunch
of
comments
in
here
from
the
community
and
the
developer,
who
worked
on
that
theme
about
the
various
progress
they've
been
making
and
changes
and
stuff
there.
G
A
C
F
G
G
Just
looking
at
the
press
kit,
sorry
to
say
it
brings
to
mind
this:
is
it
this
program
on
on
windows?
Sticky
notes,
I
don't
know,
are
you
on
windows
or
your
mac.
E
A
A
We
haven't
considered
a
redesign
of
the
logo.
I
think
I
don't
think
that
people
are
going
to
get
backdrop
and
sticky
notes
confused
with
each
other.
I
think
it
would
be
a
much
more
concerning
issue
if
they
came
out
with
like
a
website
development
tool
and
use
the
same
logo
so
yeah
we
haven't
really
discussed
it.
C
A
It's
doubly
funny
because
the
person
who
designed
our
logo
is
now
working
for
a
company
that
got
absorbed
by
microsoft,
so
he's
really
mad
that
his
company
stole
his
logo
from
us
he's
like
how
is
this.
F
A
C
I'll
share
my
screen
for
a
minute
just
you
know,
I
think
this
is
probably
all
clear,
but
just
to
be
absolutely
clear.
This
is
a
backdrop
site
right
and
this
is
the
default
sort
of
design
theme
front.
End
theme
for
backdrop.
That
is
basis.
We
have
the
back
end
theme.
Is
the
theme
that
that
all
the
administrative
pages
right-
that's
seven?
This
is
also
a
theme.
It's
a
separate
theme
from
the
front.
End
theme,
you
know
it's
pretty
much.
C
Every
site
is
running
with
two
themes
running
at
any
given
time
so
and
then,
of
course,
this
all
differs
from
the
theme
that
we
use
on
our
our
actual
website
back.
This
is
the
board
theme
which
we
actually
use
on
backdrop.org.
A
And
anyone
a
backdrop
site
can
of
course
choose
any
other
theme
or
design
their
own
as
they
want
to,
but
at
that
point
sort
of
out
of
our
hands
in
terms
of
what
they're
going
to
do
with
their
own
design.
But
we
do
like
to
make
sure
that
we
have
sort
of
some
consistent
patterns.
A
So
if
they
do
something
like
change,
their
administrative
theme,
we're
going
to
make
sure
buttons
are
all
properly
buttons
and
links
or
links,
and
we
have
some
common
elements
that
will
get
some
style
from
our
software,
in
addition
to
the
style
that
any
theme
chooses
to
add.
On
top
of
it.
So
we're
trying
to
make
sort
of
a
good
starting
point
for
anyone
to
build
on
top
of.
C
So
it
would
seem
to
me
that
that
a
pressing
question
in
a
moment
like
this
is
either
what
from
from
our
end,
what
are
you
interested
in
working
on
because
there's
a
whole
different,
wide
range
of
design
related
things
or
vice
versa?
You
could
be
asking
us
what
are
our
priorities
and
I'm
not
sure
what
our
priorities
would
be.
I
think
we
all
have
our
own
things
that
we
would
consider
to
be
design
priorities,
but
I
don't
know
jen.
Do
you
have
any
sense
of
what
I
mean
there
have
been?
C
There
have
been
some
little
things
like
designing.
You
know
I
mean
this
is
not
a
current
one,
but
like
for
a
long
time.
Designing
a
banner
for
us
was
a
a
big
thing,
and
I
think
I
don't
remember
if
we
resolved
that
or
not,
but
occasionally
we
come
up
with
those
extraneous
things
that
are
sort
of
separate
from
the
product,
but
I
don't
know
right
now,
like
I
can
come
up
with
20
ideas
of
things.
We
need
help
on,
don't
it's
not
that
we
don't
have
things
to
do.
A
Yeah,
I
think
that
that
same
rule
sort
of
applies
to
all
of
contribution
to
open
source.
Where,
like
we
don't
have
a
staff,
we
don't
have
anyone
paid
to
do
specific
things,
and
so
we
rely
on
people
coming
in
and
saying
hey.
A
I
really
want
to
help
you
with
x,
and
you
know
I
bring
my
own
sense
of
priorities
and
tim's
brings
his
and
robert
brings
his
and
we
all
sort
of
meet
somewhere
in
the
middle
with
like
oh,
I
want
to
help
rabbit
work
on
this
interface
improvement
and
then
we'll
collaborate
and
get
stuff
done,
and
I
think
that
that
same
thing
happens
in
design.
We
have
periods
where
we
have
fantastic
designers,
show
up
and
say
hey.
I
want
to
help
with
these
18
things.
A
Of
that,
whether
they're
designers
or
developers
in
general,
I
think
you
know
my.
I
have
my
set
of
priorities.
I
don't
know
if
they're
the
priorities,
but
because
we
have
a
product,
that's
out
there
in
front
of
people,
I'm
very
much
sort
of
thinking
about
people
who
are
using
it
today
and
what
do
they
need,
but
I
think
that
we
also
have
a
bunch
of
people
and
tim
might
be
one
of
these
people
who
are
looking
at
like
well.
What
do
we
want
it
to
be
in
the
future?
A
A
Of
same
kind
of
future
vision-
and
I
think
both
of
those
things
are
important
to
the
project,
so
you
know
someone
wants
to
work
on
the
new
stuff,
that's
great,
so
it
works
with
the
old
stuff.
That's
also
great
so
yeah
trying
to
figure
out
where,
where
you
want
to
contribute,
I
think
it's
you
know
what
you
want
is
equally
as
important
to
what
we
want,
because
if
we
want
something-
and
you
don't
want
to
work
on
it-
that's
not
going
to
get
done
so.
G
That's
true
very
true,
so,
like
I
said
earlier,
I
was
looking
at
the
identity
and
then
I
said
identity,
then
the
website
and
then
the
software.
So
since
I've
gotten
the
style
guide
so
from
there
I'm
going
to
advance
the
website,
that's
the
landing
page
of
the
product
and
then
from
there
to
advance
the
software.
A
A
We
did
recently
make
a
few
minor
changes
to
the
home
page,
but
all
of
the
changes
we've
made
recently
have
sort
of
been
like.
We
need
something.
How
do
we
fit
it
in?
What
we
already
have?
There
haven't
sort
of
been
a
a
holistic
review
to
the
the
website
itself.
So
if
you
want
to
look
through
here,
you
can
see
this
is
anyone
who
finds
any
problem
with
the
website.
A
They
can
create
an
issue
on
here,
I'm
not
sure
they're
labeled
as
nicely
as
the
ones
for
backdrop
core,
like
we
don't
have
a
design
label
in
here,
but
we
did
have
a
you
could
have
one
specifically
for
the
home
page,
there's
also
a
brand
update
question
that
would
be
really
relevant
for
you.
I'm
gonna
drop
that
link
in
here.
C
I'm
I'm
just
quickly
sharing
the
screen,
so
this
is
the
github
issue
of
the
bankrupt
backdrop.org.
So
we
have
an
issue
too
right
for
the
product.
This
one
is
specifically
for
backdrop.org,
and
so
this
would
be
a
really
good
way
for
you
to
communicate
with
the
community.
If,
for
example,
your
goal
was
to
work
on
backdrop.org
right
to
make
that
look
better
and
as
jen
said
earlier,
if,
if
you
indicate
to
us
what
your
interest
is
we'll
do
everything
we
can
to
help.
C
You
know
help
you
support,
you
find,
you
know
either
find
issues
or
get
answers
to
your
questions,
or
you
know
whatever.
G
So
how
do
we?
How
do
we
communicate
closer,
because
I
I
I
think
I
didn't
know
about
you
prior
to
now?
I
didn't
know
about
you.
I
didn't
know
about
jane.
I
only
got
information
from
the
twitter
twitter
and
which
I
just
found
out.
Jane
was
the
one
handling
it
at
that
time?
So
how
do
we
have
a
free
communication
case?
I
have
questions
and
issues
to
ask.
A
A
Yeah
called
called
zulip,
which
is
probably
the
best
way
to
yeah
the
fastest
way
to
get
responses.
Yeah.
C
Well,
there's
conversation
happening
here.
This
is
my
zulu
window
and
there's
conversation
happening
here
almost
24
hours
a
day.
We
have
some
very
active
members
in
europe
and
in
in
australia.
So
there
are
people
like
this
is
probably
not,
as
I
said
earlier,
a
convenient
time
for
you,
but
we
have
people
at
different
time
zones.
I
also
am
often
working
late
at
night,
like
very
you
know,
at
3
a.m.
C
So,
if
you're
active
on
zula,
you
can
talk
to
people
in
real
time
almost
24
hours
a
day,
but
we
also
have,
of
course,
the
the
the
issue
queue
and
then
we
have
our
weekly
meetings
and
I
have
been
trying
to
do
yeah.
I
don't
know
if
that
would
be
nigeria.
What
is
the
equivalent
of
like
a
european
time
zone?
Are
you
in?
Are
you
similar
to
centuries?
C
C
It
could
be
three.
It
could
be
three
a.m:
nine,
nine!
We
have
a
so
you're,
really
the
same
time
zone.
We
have
a
couple
of
participants
that
join
us
from
the
uk
or
germany
frequently
during
this
time
zone
as
well.
So.
C
C
You
know
if
you
for
the
broad
community,
if
they
have
a
quick
question.
Twitter
is
fine,
but
if
you're
in
the
middle
of
a
project,
you
need
you,
you
really
want
to
come
to.
You
know
either.
I
think
zulap
or
talk
with
us
in
the
issue,
and
there
are
some
people
who
prefer
the
issue
queue
a
lot
more
and
spend
more
time
there.
A
lot
of
us
spend
a
lot
of
time
in
in
zulip
or
both.
H
C
F
C
The
ui
has
some
peculiarities,
which
you
love
or
you
hate,
will
let
you
decide
that
for
yourself,
but
it's
it's
open
source,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
we
use
it.
Okay,.
C
C
And
we
have
we
have
we
have
a
an
infrastructure
channel
if
you
get
into
this,
that
might
be
the
good
place
for
have
designed
this.
You
know
if
we're
talking
about
the
website,
it's
just
a
little
smaller
audience,
but.
A
And
there's
a
handful
of
people
who
can
help
build
and
design
or
build
and
deploy
changes
for
backdrop.
Cmso
robert
is
one
of
those
people
that
can
help
with
those,
as
well
as
myself,
tim
peter
nate,
there's
like
a
handful
of
people.
So
once
we
have
something
ready
to
go
using
the
infrastructure
channel
is
a
great
way
to
ping
someone
to
get
it
pushed
out.
F
C
F
C
Well,
the
three
that
I
described
were
either
the
design
of
the
product,
the
usability
you
know
the
ux
more,
the
which
is
a
lot
of
overlap.
I
understand,
but
or
like
the
the
website.
You
know
the
the
backdrop,
the
organization,
the
branding
and
the
and
the
website
for
our
organization.
C
Are
you
more
interested
in
the
product
or,
like?
I
think
frankly,
I
think
you
could
be
more
creative
in
terms
of
design
on
the
backdrop.org.
Wouldn't
you
agree,
jim
there's
sort
of
more
room
for
like
doing
pure
design
there.
The
product
is,
is
more
technical
and
it's
there's
gonna,
be
a
lot
more
restrictions
on
sort
of
what
can
and
can't
be
done
to
the
product,
but
to
our
our
regular
website.
There's
a
lot
more
flexibility
there,
because
yeah.
G
After
about
four
or
five
years,
I
said
specializing
in
interaction,
I
picked
up
interaction,
design
and
after
about
two
years,
I
specialize
in
interaction
and
I'm
actually
working
on
a
project
for
a
company
here
in
nigeria,
they're
about
to
launch
I'm
building
more
like
a
dashboard
for
their
web
app
and
the
ui
and
the
ux
also
for
their
mobile
app.
So
and
to
do
all
that
we
have
to.
We
have
to
build
a
website.
We
have
to
design
a
website.
G
G
I
also
do
ux
sure,
get
to
understand
the
user,
what
they
want,
how
they
want
it,
so
that
I
can
get
a
good
interface
so
because
of
time,
what
I
would
do,
or
because
initially
what
I
was
saying
on
twitter
was
work
on
the
identity.
G
Some
of
the
elements
from
the
website
will
be
reflecting
on
the
software,
because
I
believe
backdrop,
organization
and
backdrop
the
product
in
the
longer
run
is
one
sure.
Yes,
that's
all
that's
what
I
think
sure
I
probably
I
I
need
to
confirm
from
you
but
the
website,
and
then
there
are
some
elements,
some
key
elements
on
the
website
that
will
be
reflecting
on
the
software
itself,
so
we
can
actually
work
more
like
agile
on
it.
G
A
G
C
We
want
to
work
with
you
know
with
your
level,
your
interests
and
your
level
of
availability.
So
you
need
to
communicate
to
us
how
much
you
want
to
do
and
you
know
and
and
what
areas
you
want
to
work
in
and
then
we
can
help
point
you
and
you
know,
like
you
know,
we
don't
have
a
pressing
need,
I
think,
to
completely
redesign
our
website.
But
if
that
was
something
you
said
to
us
that
you
really
felt
like
you
could
contribute
to
we'd
be
open
to
that.
C
So
there's
no
wrong
answer
to
that
question
right
if
it
should
be
very
little
and
then
we'll
try
to
respect
that
or
it
could
be
a
lot.
You
need
to
tell
us
how
much
you
know
how
much
time
you
have
and
you
want
to
spend
so
but
again
you
don't
have
to
tell
us
that
right
now
did
you
freeze
again
nope
you're
there,
okay.