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From YouTube: Backdrop Design Meeting - July 29th, 2021
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B
We
are
now
live
on
youtube
today
is
thursday
july
29th.
I
believe
at
least
in
this
part
of
the
world,
and
this
is
our
weekly
design
meeting
before
we
get
into
the
agenda.
If
we're
going
to
follow
it
today,
tbd
I'd
like
to
go
around
and
do
some
quick
introductions.
My
name
is
jen
lampton,
I'm
joining
from
oakland
california.
B
A
A
And
I'm
actually
super
interested
in
in
interface
issues
and
and
such
so
so
I
I
look
forward
to
hijacking
the
conversation
a
little
bit
later
on
if
we
drift
into
into
different
areas,
but
in
the
meantime,
we'll
throw
it
over
to
joseph.
C
B
All
right,
okay-
well,
that's
all
of
us.
Tim
did
say
that
he
would
try
and
join
today,
but
he
might
be
a
little
bit
late,
so
we'll
see
if
he
comes
in
later.
As
far
as
our
agenda,
we
have
a
couple
of
long-standing
issues
for
front-end
developers.
B
One
of
them
was
this
concept
of
promoting
recommended
feature.
Complete
themes.
That's
issue
number
four,
four,
four:
five:
in
the
backdrop
core
queue
that
one
requires
a
bunch
of
changes
to
a
bunch
of
different
subsystems,
so
it
hasn't
been
getting
a
lot
of
progress
lately
and
then
another
one
that
we've
been
talking
about
long
term
is
to
try
and
make
all
themes
better
by
providing
a
set
of
standard
elements
that
should
be
supported,
and
not
only
will
this
help
make
front.
B
B
I
don't
have
an
issue
here.
I
don't
have
an
issue
number,
but
I
think
the
work
for
that
is
currently
happening.
In
a
backdrop
can
trip
project
we
have
called
style
guide,
and
so,
if
you
go
to
github.com
slashbackdrop.contrib
styleguide
and
check
the
ishiku
there
we're
hoping
to
use
this
style
guide
as
a
guide
for
front
end
developers
to
know
what
they
need
to
style,
shocker
and
then
we've
also
had
this
long-standing
issue
to
try
and
make
it
easier
for
people
to
figure
out
what
themes
to
put
on
their
site.
B
I
know
luke
and
tim
you've
done
a
lot,
a
bunch
of
work
on
a
website
that
will
help
people
preview
themes,
but
we've
got
a
bunch
of
like
more
grandiose
ideas
that
are
going
to
be
really
hard
to
execute.
All
the
people
have
been
talking
about
for
a
while,
too.
I
don't
know
where
those
are
documented.
I
don't
also
don't
have
an
issue
number
for
that.
B
It's
probably
in
the
backdrop
cms.org,
but
I'll
go
see
if
I
can
pull
it
off,
so
those
are
things
that
are
all
sort
of
long-standing.
They
were
things
that
we
talked
about
during
the
feministic
when
working
on
that
they
are
still
on
our
agenda
because
we
would
love
to
get
those
problems
solved.
But
I
don't
know
that
they
are
what
we're
currently
working
on.
I
know
luke
you're
pretty
excited
about
stuff.
You
were
looking
at
earlier
today,
so
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
hijack
now
or
later.
A
A
little
bit,
I
I
mean
it's
funny,
you
know
I'm
I'm
I'm
like
drew
barrymore
in
50.
First
dates
like
like
I
every
time
I
come
in,
it's
like
it's
all
brand
new,
it's
like,
let's
start
from
the
beginning
again,
so
so
I
mean
it's
funny,
I'm
I'm
actually
trying
to
to
launch
a
backdrop
site
that
that
I
I
described
a
little
bit
during
tv
during
the
backdrop
live
for
my
old
band
and,
like
I've,
got
all
the
content
pretty
much
pretty
much
ready
to
go.
A
I'm
implementing
sort
of
like
these,
these
sort
of
design
choices
like
wrestling
with
the
issues
that
that
that
all
this
that
I've
I've
been
talking
about
for
for
years
of
of
I
you
know,
the
the
society
itself
is
not
about
any
of
the
designs,
it's
purely
about
like
the
content
and
the
community,
and
it
just
has
to
like
not
look
ugly
and
for
me
to
get
it
out
there.
So
so.
A
I
I
don't
know
like
but
like
like
the
jude
barrymore,
keep
coming
back
to
sort
of
the
the
same
issues
of
where
to
start
like.
What's
the
what's
the
minimal
possible
thing,
I've
I've
resigned
myself
at
this
point
to
to
creating
a
sub
thing,
but
just
plan
to
make
like
the
simplest
possible.
Something
near
as
I
can
tell
all
I'm
gonna
do
is
is
put,
is
change
the
the
spacing
and
padding
on
like
a
handful
of
elements.
A
You
know
kind
of
things
that
that
I
I
can
do
I
mean
the
way
I
do
them
is.
Is
I
pull
up
dev
tools
in
chrome
and
adjust
something
like
right?
That's
good
copy
it
and
save
it.
So
my
dream
is
to
is
to
not
have
to
to
go
into
like
stuff
like
dev
tools.
A
A
You
know,
and
if
and
and
I
think
that's
that's
most
of
wordpress
right
like
I-
I
imagine,
the
vast
majority
of
other
people
that
have
wordpress
blogs
have
no
idea
how
to
edit
any
css
at
all.
I
would
imagine
you
think
that.
C
Maybe
I
actually,
I
have
a
friend
who
has
several
wordpress
websites
and
she
actually
wordpress
has
an
interface
where
you
can
actually
read
the
css
files
from
your
theme
and
edit
them
and
save
them
in
the
ui.
C
And
she
actually
does
that
all
the
time,
but
she
might,
she
might
be
more
of
a
power
user
than
the
average
person
on
the
internet,
but
it,
but
it
is
literally
a
page
with
a
text
box
and
and
she
edits
the
css
file
in
the
text
box
and
then
hits
save
and
there's
it
that's
as
sophisticated
as
it
gets.
Unless
you
have
special
plugins
to
add
more
stuff
to
it.
C
B
So
yeah,
so
we
have.
We
have
two
modules
similar
to
what
you
described.
We've
got
the
css
injector
module.
Let's
see
we'll
put
css,
I
think
in
the
database
and
then
it
renders
it
as
a
css
file
and
then
there's
another
one
that
I
just
saw
in
the
issue.
Queue
here
called
css
editor.
B
That
does
something
similar
where
it
gives
you
a
giant
text
box
where
you
can
put
your
css
in.
So
I
think
we've
sort
of
met
those
requirements
in
terms
of
people
who
might
edit
and
want
to
add
css,
but
not
have
a
bunch
of
additional
control
over
their
theme,
but
I
think
luke.
What
you're
getting
at
is
like
not
just
css,
but
if
you
wanted
to
like
override
a
template
file
or
something
more
complicated,
it
would
be
nice
if
we
had
like
so
baby
step.
B
A
A
What's
it
called
joseph,
it's
called
the
configurable.
A
Something
right,
but
once
you
find
it
then
then
you've
got
you've
got
a
thing,
even
it
even
tells
you
in
pixels,
like
it
chooses
your
units
for
you
and
just
type
a
number
and
and
the
spacing
changes
so
so
like
a
handful,
and
I
think
we
need
very
many
like
like
layouts,
carries
like
a
huge
load
of
it
of
like
you
know
what,
where
do
things
go
on
the
page,
so
so
yeah?
A
Not
really
because
I
I
haven't
looked
at
it
enough
to
be
able
to
you
know
I
like,
like
before
the
quality
I
did
a
little
screen
share
of
it,
but
but
I
I
could
just
like
repeat
that,
like
oh
here's,
this
thing
sweever
for
those
of
you
on
the
internet
that
might
want
to
look
at
it,
seem
to
have
some
of
these
features,
the
327
module,
s-w-e-a-v-e-r
and,
and
it
it
had,
I
think
almost
had.
I
don't
think
it's.
It
doesn't
look
like
it's
supported
anymore.
It
looks
like
it's.
A
It's
abandoned,
wear
from
what
I
can
tell
right.
C
I
don't
have
much
to
show
at
the
moment,
because
it's
quite
complicated
but
at
backdrop
live
luke
and
tim,
and
I
were
talking,
and
one
of
the
things
that
was
brought
up
was
be
like
an
idea
of
micro
themes
like
being
able
to
just
pick
the
being
able
to
select
out
the
styles
for
certain
things
like
just
the
header
or
just
your
blocks,
or
just
your
footer
from
multiple
themes
and
combine
them.
C
A
A
B
C
Hard,
I
think
that
I
think
we
would
run
into
a
problem
with
the
theme
system
itself
doesn't
support
this,
so
that
was
kind
of
why
I
was
building
a
module
for
this.
Is
this
what
I'm?
What
I'm
actually
going
to
do
is
completely
bypass
the
theme
settings
system
entirely.
A
C
Well,
if
you,
if
you
you
would
have,
you
would
have
to
change
some
of
the
code
about
how
it
looks
up
stuff
from
the
parent
themes
in
order
for
this
to
work,
because
it's
it's
hardcoded
to
only
have
one
parent,
basically
internally,
but
you
could
change
that
like
put
it
in
a
loop
and
just
say
for
each
this
list
of
parents
run
your
run
the
code.
C
C
C
A
I
it's
not
really
use
case
driven
so
so
it
it.
It's
not.
I'm
I'm
hesitant
to
say
anything
about
it,
because
it's
not
it's
not
it's
not
good
product
management.
I
mean
I'm
not
sure
what
the
what
the
end
purpose
is.
I
I
just
I'm
noticing
sort
of
what
seemed
to
be
capabilities
within
the
technology
for
things
to
do,
and
I
was
just
kind
of
curious
what
possibilities
that
uncovers.
A
Trying
not
to
hijack
in
that
direction
to
like.
Oh,
why
don't
we
do
this
other
incredible?
You
know
huge
amount
of
work
or
right.
C
Without
knowing
why
right,
like
the
like,
we
like
I
have
that
the
configurable
block
style
module
that
I
built
and
we
could
total
or
I
think
it's.
It
would
be
pretty
easy
to
put
that
in
the
like,
the
views,
style,
settings
and
the
field
style
settings
to
be
able
to
do
to
be
able
to
apply
that
to
anything.
C
A
A
C
C
C
A
C
So
you're
working,
okay,
so
essentially
there's
my
dad-
and
I
have
been
talking
about
this
for
a
while,
but
we
have
style
plugins
that
can
go
into
everything
like
field
styles,
view
styles,
view
row,
styles,
block
styles,
layout,
region,
styles.
All
these
things.
C
A
And
would
it
would
it
did
that
by
having
class
names
that
it
attaches
to
these
different
yeah
and
there,
and
so
so
it
just
it
just
says:.
C
C
A
Someone
on
the
on
when
zulu
updated
this
week
was
talked
about
the
the
problem
you
run
into
when
you
change
css,
and
you
don't
know
what
it
what
it
might
have
affected
right
right.
A
What
do
you
mean,
I
think,
what's
the
there's
an
acronym
for
for
for
how
you
organize
css
write
the.
B
Yeah
we
use
the
word
components
for
that
in
the
basis
theme.
So
there's
like
a
boardwalk
in
the
basis
theme,
there's
a
folder
called
components
and
then
each
section
is
broken
onto
a
different
one.
I
think
I
think
we
do
that
in
the
borg.
Themes
too,
but
it's
sort
of
a
personal
preference
convention
in
a
internet.
B
A
B
Yeah
css
is
hard
just
in
its
nature.
Just
the
way
that,
like
you
know,
you
can
style
something
and
you
can
sell
it
again
and
you
can
style
it
again
and
like
the
most
recent
style
wins,
but
all
of
the
previous
styles
are
still
included,
and
so
you
can
override
parts
are
not
parts
of
it.
Depending
on
how
you
choose,
and
so
anytime
you're,
including
anything
from
a
source.
That's
not
yours!
You
run
the
risk
of
if
that
source
changes,
it's
going
to
break
what
you've
done,
whether.
B
Overrides
or
some
things
you
haven't
overwritten
just
because
it's
all
included
all
the
time
it's
just
a
matter
of
like
which
things
on
the
page
happen
to
win
or
in
which
order.
They're
included
it's
just
a
it's
a
very
complicated
hierarchy,
because
it's
not
always
like
the
file.
That's
added
last
that
wins
it's
the
most
specific
selector.
And
so,
if
you
had
a
more
specific
selected
item,
first
that'll
still
win
over
yours.
That
might
have
been
added
last
so
yeah,
it's
just
it's
it's
hard
to
change
things
without
breaking
things.
B
We're
running
into
this
into
core
right
now
too,
where
like
we
want
to
introduce
css
improvements
and
we're
really
worried
about
how
we
can
do
that
without
breaking
existing
sites,
and
sometimes
those
come
from
modules.
Sometimes
they
come
from
base
themes,
and
sometimes
they
come
from.
You
know,
contributed
themes
and
yeah
trying
to
find
a
way
to
not
there's
no
guaranteed
way
to
not
break
anything,
except
for
not
changing.
A
I
mean
I
mean,
there's,
there's
things
about
the
way
websites
are
made,
I've
been
doing
it
for
20
years
and
there's
you
know
they
the
the
ways
I
I
did
when
I
was
first
starting,
it
seemed
you
know
I
wasn't
trying
to
do
it
right
just
trying
to
like.
Let's
see
what
happens,
there's
stuff
at
the
wall,
let's
watch
what
changes
I've
been
surprised
there
there
actually
don't
seem
to
be
that
that
more
sophisticated
ways
to
to
do
it.
A
For
example,
I'm
I'm
kind
of
astonished
at
how
everybody
on
the
web
works
day
after
day
in
an
environment
that
looks
like
the
final
website
by
like
actually
going
into
like
what
the
end
users
see
in
order
to
do
it
like
like
it
seems
it
seems
like
you,
should
be
more
open
up
than
that
that
you
should
spend
your
time
in
in,
like
a
visual
environment,
that's
greatly
simplified
into
let's
just
focus
on
the
stuff
that
you're
changing
and
then
and
then,
when
it's
time
to
use
the
the
rest
of
the
site.
A
B
Yeah,
I
think
I
think,
a
little
bit.
What
we're
fighting
here
is
just
like
this
is
how
the
web
works
is
that
people
made
a
decision
a
long
time
ago
that
you
know
much
of
this
stuff
was
going
to
be
backwards
compatible
and
so
we're
still
dealing
with
the
way
things
work
10
years
ago.
It's
just
that's.
You
know
a
decision
that
we
made
in
terms
of
how
things
are
working,
and
I
think
that
you
know
a
lot
of
us
have
our
own
personal
systems
of
organization
that
might
be
like.
B
Time
and
now
I'm
on
the
200th
time
and
I'm
definitely
much
better
than
I
was
originally,
but
I've
developed
all
my
own
systems
in
order
to
do
that,
and
I
think
that
everybody
comes
up
with
their
own
set
of
systems.
And
so
you
have
all
these
people
are
like
publishing
about
their
systems
and
whatever,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
all
still
using
the
same
base
system.
B
C
A
A
A
A
This
is
the
I've
hijacked
into
the
the
philosophy
browsing,
meaning.
Let
me
actually
as
long
as
I've
like
opened
up
the
the
intros
here.
Well,
let
me
kind
of
throw
out
the
an
elephant
in
the
woods
that
that
I
I
think
when
I
work
with
all
the
stuff,
from
sort
of
the
naive
user's
perspective
is
it
is
it
kind
of
like
like
joseph
when
I
was
looking
for
how
to
turn
on
the
the
the
the
block
styles
features
right.
B
A
So
I
mean
in
general,
when
you
go
into
our
interface,
you
know
lots
of
pieces
to
inherit
from
drupal,
even
if
you've
like
made
very
few
changes
like
like
you
could
describe
to
somebody
that
the
10
things
that
I've
made
on
the
site,
unless
you
know
where
those
10
things
are,
you
see
like
thousands
and
thousands
of
options.
You
see
all
these
unchosen
things
that
you
know
where
you've
just
left
them
at
the
as
the
defaults,
they're
just
the
faults,
but
yet
they're
they're.
A
There
I
mean
you,
don't
you
can't
tell
they're
the
defaults,
they're
they're
still
there,
so
so
I
mean
I
I'm
always
dreaming
of
a
way
to
be.
Like
only
show
me
the
things
that
have
changed
like
if
it's
a
default
hide
it,
or
at
least
you
know,
mark
it
as
being
unchanged
so
that
so
we
can
find
out
like
what
are
the
things
we're
working
with.
A
A
B
A
I
saw
some
stuff
actually
in
the
in
the
in
the
agenda
about
about
user
testing.
Where
was
that?
Was
that
a
thing
you're
talking
about
incentivizing
user
testing.
B
So
tim
a
while
ago,
had
created
some
outlines
of
quick
user
tests
that
he
was
doing
with
some
people
in
sort
of
a
larger,
open
source
software
community
rather
than
specific
backdrop,
but
they
have
like
a
open
source
event.
He
was
doing
a
while
ago,
pre-pandemic,
and
so
he
was
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
get
people
to
like
do
the
user
tests,
like
just
random
people,
to
come
and
test
backdrop,
and
let
us
know
how
it
went,
and
so
he
thought
we
could
do
something
where
it's
like.
B
Oh
do
you
want
this
cool
dragon
t-shirt
spend
20
minutes
on
this
task
to
video
record
yourself
and
then,
when
you're
done,
we'll
send
you
a
t-shirt,
sort
of
thing
and
we
might
be
able
to
get
people
to
do
it
on
the
web
without
needing
to
be
there
in
person.
Badgering
them
to
give
us
20
minutes
of
time.
B
B
Let's
see
anything
else,
design
or
user
experience
related,
I
guess
I
could
point
out
that
on
our
core
issue
of
queue,
if
you're
interested
in
looking
at
issues
specific
related
user
experience,
there's
little
square
brackets
in
the
title
that
says
ux
and
in
those
ux
square
brackets,
you'll
find
all
of
the
issues
focused
on
user
experience
and
if
you
are
particularly
passionate
about
design
stuff
too,
there
is
an
audience
design
label.
So,
if
you're
a
designer-
and
you
want
to
know
how
you
can
help-
we
have
a
couple
of
issues
that
say.
A
B
We
have
a
handful
like.
We
definitely
have
a
lot
more
developers,
hence
needing
to
ask
designers
for
help
all
the
time,
not
as
many
of
them
around
in
the
issue
queue
anyway,
but
yeah.
I
know
we've
got
it.
We've
got
a
couple
of
people,
we've
been
poking
in
the
past
for
help
on
design
issues.
A
I
ran
into
darius
a
couple
days
ago
yesterday,
actually
on
on
linkedin
he's
at
microsoft.
Now
so
yeah.
B
Yeah
he
worked
so
he
worked
for
a
little
company
called
bonsai
that
does
artificial
intelligence
stuff
in
berkeley
and
then
microsoft
bought
them
and
shortly
after
microsoft
bought
them,
microsoft
released
their
stickies
app
that
uses
the
backdrop
logo.
B
A
A
B
Think
so,
let's
wrap
it
up
and
weekly
dev
meeting
starts
in
one
minute.