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A
2020-
and
this
is
the
weekly
or
bi-weekly
backdrop,
design
and
usability
meeting
when
we
get
together
and
talk
about
the
ux
problems
that
are
currently
in
backed
up
and
what
we're
doing
to
address
them,
we'll
go
around
the
room
and
do
introductions
for
everybody
I'll
start
time.
I'm
nate
lampton,
I'm
a
core
committer
for
backdrop
cms
and
I'm
just
here
to
facilitate
the
meeting
today.
B
Hi,
I'm
tim
erickson,
st
paul
tim.
I
am
coming
to
you
today
from
deerwood
minnesota,
where
I've
been
hanging
out
since
the
whole
covid
thing
started
and
yeah
just
here
to
participate.
Talk
to
you
later.
C
Hi,
I'm
luke
mccormick,
I'm
a
web
product
manager
in
san
ramon
california,
and
come
in
to
try
to
learn
little
bits
about
about
design
and
and
throw
in
what
I
can.
D
All
right,
bennett,
hey
everybody,
bennett
robert
here
I
am
about
20
miles
away
from
washington
dc
in
northern
virginia.
I'm
a
usability
expert.
D
A
All
right
thanks,
bennett
and
greg.
A
All
right
well,
the
first
thing
we
have
on
the
agenda
for
today
is:
we
have
a
whole
section
on
the
theme
initiative,
which
is
a
large
initiative
that
luke
is
heading
up
generally
called
the
ready-to-wear
initiative.
Luke
there's
a
number
of
issues
in
this
section.
A
C
C
I
I
basically
took
a
week
off
from
from
running
things
as
I
started
a
new
job,
but
I
this
week
kicked
it
into
gear
again
and
had
a
productive
meeting
yesterday,
where,
where
we,
we
moved
things
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
back
into
gear
tim,
actually
kind
of
signed
onto
the
the
server
and
has
has
added
his
energy
to
the
project,
which
is
which
is
a
a
fantastic
thing.
C
Before
now
I-
and
I
I
apologize-
I'm
actually
looking
at
the
agenda
items
right
now
to
try
to
stay
on
on
point
with
with
these.
C
I
you
know
what
I
like.
Let
me
actually
throw
it
to
tim
for
a
second
and
and
I'll
I'll
chime
in
when
it's
useful,
okay.
B
Well,
I
think,
two
weeks
ago,
a
quick
reminder.
My
understanding
is
that
we
had
kind
of
decided
that
the
first
steps
was
to
get
a
some
sort
of
a
demo
site
set
up
we'd
like
for
users
to
be
able
to
spin
up
a
demo
site
where
they
can
try
out
themes
and
we
created
an
issue.
Queue
have
spun
up
a
couple
of
issues
there
and
I
think
some
of
the
first
decisions
now
that
we're
starting
to
talk
about
are
things
like
what
that
demo
site
is
going
to
look
like.
B
One
of
the
things
I
did
I
was
doing
or
suggesting
yesterday
luke-
and
I
had
we
were
meeting-
was
so
one
of
the
ideas
is
to
have
approved
ready-to-wear
themes,
themes
that
users
can
easily
install
and
will
should
sort
of
work
out
of
the
box,
and
I've
been
struggling
a
little
bit
with
what
the
criteria
would
be
for
an
approved
theme
like
what
has
to
look
good,
and
so
I
started
creating
a
list
of,
and
I
can
share
the
link.
I
created
a
google
doc.
B
It's
in
the
issue,
queue
of
just
things
like
you
know
the
base,
the
the
the
quark
or
the
core
content
type.
So
basic
page,
you
know
page
and
user
should
look
good
post
should
should
look
good.
C
Hey
tim,
I
I
I
want
to
actually
hijack
back
the
control
here,
because
I
I
have
the
inspiration
at
the
moment,
realizing
that
this
is
a
good
spot
for
bennett,
our
our
new
guest
to
be
here,
because
the
whole
point
of
this
particular
item
of
the
particular
theme
initiative
is
is
help.
People
like
you
is,
is
to
try
to
move
this.
C
You
know
technologically
very
capable
product
that
we
have
in
the
direction
where,
where
you
don't
have
to
be
a
wizard
and
in
in
either
technology
or
in
design
to
to
actually
bring
a
site
up
and
and
and
one
of
the
things
that
drupal
has
suffered
with
for
years
and
and
that
that
backdrop
still
you
know
deals
with,
is
that
is
it
if
you
it
it's
relatively
straightforward
to
to
bring
up
a
backdrop
site,
that's
functionally
that
does
all
the
things
that
a
modern
website
does,
but
it's
hard
to
make
it
look
like
a
professional
site
like
they
it
unless
you,
unless
you
hire
a
designer
and
technician
or
are
one
yourself
it.
C
It
looks.
It
looks
more
like
a
hobbyist
thing,
and,
and
so
so
the
the
idea
of
this
particular
initiative
is
is
to
package
enough
stuff
and
make
it
findable
sufficiently,
so
that
so
that
people
have
the
capability
without
having
to
to
have
deep
knowledge
to
to
launch
a
site
and
and
be
able
to
choose
from
existing,
looks,
say:
okay,
you
know,
abcd,
you
know
picking
options
and
have
those
options
come
out
and
and
be
sort
of
launch
ready.
C
Being.
You
know
usable
by
a
novice
like
we
have
the
pieces
that
are
usable
by
knobs
but
they're,
just
hidden,
deep
in
the
box
and
and
at
the
moment
we're
trying
to
locate
those
pieces
and
and
make
them
easy
to
find
right
away
and,
if
necessary.
If,
if
there's
things
missing,
we'll
we'll
we'll
add
those
we
might
polish
some
themes
or
or
add
some
demos,
but
that
that's
the
that's
the
idea.
Does
that
make
sense
cute
like
does
that?
C
D
D
3.0.
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
remember:
windows
3.0,
some
of
you
guys
may,
but
the
default
color
was
this
kind
of
off
orange
and
blue
kind
of
theme
that
we
knew
it
sucked
and
the
plan
was
that
people
would
want
to
change
it
because
they
gave
all
kinds
of
different
themes
and
we
thought
people
would
change
it
to
purple
because
they
wanted
purple
people
just
stuck
with
the
default.
D
D
The
list
was
sorted
alphabetical,
so
in
order
for
them
to
prescribe
penicillin,
they
had
to
scroll
down
to
the
p
in
penicillin
to
get
penicillin,
but
once
they
sorted
it
based
on
frequency
wow,
the
most
frequent
ones
were
up
on
top
by
the
default.
You
know
you
got
to
take
it
and
optimize
that
you
need.
You
need
to
understand
the
user
experience.
D
So
you
know
you
literally
have
to
put
yourself
in
the
shoes
of
this
other
person
on
the
other
side
of
the
screen
that
that's
me,
you
know
for
now
and
say
what
does
this
guy
know?
I
don't
know
squad
about
this,
but
I
have
a
goal
and
you
have
to
focus
on
my
goal,
not
your
goal
and
you
once
you're
able
to
do
that.
Once
you
have
empathy,
that's
the
key
thing
is
empathy.
D
I've
been
in
some
some
meetings
where
the
development
manager
says
oh,
but
that
user
he'll
be
too
dumb
to
be
able
to
figure
that
out.
So
we
got
to
do
this
and
then
like
mute
he's
like
wow,
you
know
you
have
to
have
empathy.
You
know
the
end.
User
doesn't
have
a
computer
science
degree.
I
don't
have
a
computer
scientist,
I've
been
doing
computers
since
I
had
to
darken
in
squares
on
80
column,
columns
and
mailing
them
to
the
school
district,
but
just
look
at
the
user
experience
and
design
a
couple
user
journeys.
D
Not
everybody
is
the
same.
You
know
some
people
are
visual,
some
people
are
textual,
so
you
know,
and
for
for
marketing
purposes,
you
know
no
one
is
ever
going
to
go
through
the
exact
same
front
door.
You
need
to
have
a
door
and
a
door
and
a
door
and
a
door.
You
know
all
the
different,
maybe
vertical,
markets
that
are
already
out
there.
You
know
those
are
the
themes
that
you
might
want
to
create.
You
know
who
are
the
people
that
are
most
likely
to
use
this
cms?
D
D
That's
what
they're
going
to
want
and
you
know
they're
they're
diy-ers.
I
mean
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
have
a
raspberry
pi
running
in
your
house.
You
know
I
have
like
five,
you
know
just
doing
stuff.
There's
there's
a
lot
of
us
nerd
ass
geeks
that
like
doing
this
kind
of
stuff,
but
you
know
the
more
the
more
tools
you
can
provide
and
you
have
to
have
the
steps.
It's
all
about
the
workflow
and
it's
it's
not
your
workflow,
it's
my
workflow!
I
have
do
you
have
a
domain?
D
D
There's
remember
remember
when
you
first
learned
to
drive
that
you
couldn't
have
the
radio
going,
because
you
were
focusing
all
your
attention
on
being
able
to
drive
and
no
no
turn
the
radio
off
right
now,
I'm
driving,
but
now
you
can't
drive
without
the
radio
going,
because
driving
is
so
mundane
that
you
need
to
be
listening
to
some
good
tunes
to
go
through
the
way
that
you
think
inside
your
brain
got
rewired
when
you're
a
novice
when
you've
when
you
and
you
guys
have
been
using
this
system.
D
I
don't
know
how
long
you
guys
are.
Building
this.
You
know
you're,
not
a
novice.
The
person
who's
outside
of
that
has
absolutely
no
no
idea,
and
you
have
to
realize
that
the
way
that
they
think
about
it
are
is
different
than
the
way
that
you
guys
think
about
it
now
and
the
the
example
I
gave
of
learning
to
drive
when
you
first
got
your
driver's
license
or
in
the
learning
permit,
or
you
know.
However,
you
know
I'm
going
to
give
nate
some
crap,
though
what,
like
two
years
ago.
D
But
you
know
and
then
they
switch
and
you
switch
to
a
different
protocol.
I
don't
know
I
don't
golf,
but
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
golf
but
for
now
I'd
have
to
say
okay
first,
I
got
to
put
my
leg
my
hand
back,
and
I
got
to
look
for
the
ball,
but
a
golfer
goes.
Oh,
no,
you
know,
and
they
know
exactly
how
to
do
it.
So
the
way
that
people
think
change.
D
So
you
have
to
keep
that
in
mind.
So
if
you
design
the
whole
site,
I've
seen
a
quote
where
I
wanted
to
make
sure
my
grandma
can
use
it
well,
your
grandma
only
uses
it
once
you
got
to
think
about
the
person
whose
job
it
is
now
to
come
to
this
website
and
do
stuff
and
if
they
have
to
use
a
wizard
for
every
single
effing
thing
that
they
have
to
do
they're
not
going
to
be
happy.
C
Hey,
hey
bennett.
I
actually
want
to
throw
one
another
part
of
the
equation
because,
because
making
it
so
that
non-technical
people
is
definitely
part
of
the
the
the
goal,
but
probably
more
important
in
this
case
is
actually
making
it
so
that
non-designers
are
able
to
use
it.
And
I
I
wanted
to
sort
of
ask.
D
What
do
you
mean
by
designer
designer
or
a
visual
designer,
well
yeah.
C
B
D
C
C
A
little
bit
I
mean
it's
important
to
note
that
we've
we've
actually
factored
a
lot
of
the
the
functionality
that
or
in
other
systems
like
wordpress,
for
example,
is
part
of
a
theme.
Those
are
incorporated
in
in
more
powerful
user-friendly
pieces.
Inside
of
backdrop
itself,
leaving
leaving
the
theme
as
more
of
a
visual
player.
We've
we've
actually
pulled
most
of
the
usability
aspects
out
of
the
theme
layer,
but
but
those
are
still
important
like
like
when
you,
when
you
bring
up
a
site,
you
do
need
a
layout,
you
do
need.
C
E
If,
if
I
may
jump
in,
what
luke
is
trying
to
say
is
that,
whereas
in
in
drupal,
a
theme
would
define
the
layout
and
the
look
and
feel
of
the
site,
these
have
been
separated
in
backdrop.
So
the
things
for
us
are
something
that
are
skins.
The
layout
remains
or
should
remain
the
same.
That's
the
goal
and
all
that
the
theme
does
is
it
changes
the
styling
like
the
colors
that
are
being
used,
the
phones.
D
D
D
C
E
I've
noticed
I've
noticed,
there's
quite
a
few
apps
that
focus
on
usability
that
instead
of
asking
the
question
and
then
saying
yes
or
no,
which
basically
require
the
person
to
read
the
whole
text
is.
Do
you
want
to
delete
this,
and
it
said
yes.
A
E
E
Anyway,
the
point
is
that
also
ben
for
your
benefit.
We
have
a
the
demo
that
tim
was
talking
about
before
we
already
and
have
provided
a
link
for
that
in
the
chat.
We
already
provide
a
way
for
people
to
come
and
demo
the
software
without
having
to
have
a
server
set
up,
so
they
just
go
to
the
site
backdrop
cms.org
demo,
they
just
click
a
button
and
then
after
30
seconds
or
so
there's
a
full
instance
of
a
bankruptcy.
E
Yes,
yeah
exactly
so.
The
problem
with
that
is
that
you
get
a
vanilla
installation,
the
difference
with
drupal
7.
There
is
that
we
do
have
a
couple
like,
whereas
in
d7,
when
you,
when
you've,
firstly
installed
a
triple
seven
site,
you'd
get
something
that
there's
no
content
created.
That's
it
so
we've
changed.
A
E
A
E
Edit,
instead
of
create,
but
the
thing
is
that
a
an
initiative
that
happened
in
the
drupal
world
is
the
umami
initiative
or
the
out
of
the
box
experience
which
created
a
literal
sort
of
like
a
a
everything
there
to
use
the
word
thing
for
a
different
person
for
a
purpose.
Sorry,
a
website
that
is
actually
something
tangible
like
it's.
It's
a
it's
a
website
about
recipes,
so
it
has
actual
content
there.
E
D
D
E
So
yes,
the
vanilla
demo
has
been
there
for
a
while,
and
it's
been
useful
for
the
community.
We
test
new
features,
we
showcase
to
customers,
but,
as
you
said,
we
are
familiar
with
the
workflow
like
we
can
spin
up
set
aside
and
then,
if
we
have
a
person
which
is
new
next
to
us,
we'll
say:
here's
where
you
go.
That's
how
you
download
a
few
things.
That's
how
you
configure
things.
We
know
how
to
do
that,
those
things
and
the
problem
that
we're
trying
to
address
we're
not
going
to
remove
or
replace
that
demo.
E
We
still
need
it,
but
we
also
need
an
additional
way
to
sort
of
like
spin
aside
for
people
that
want
to
see
what
you
can
do
with
like
visually
within
20
seconds.
As
you
said,
visually
see
what
you
can
do
with
bach
yeah
so
yeah.
This
is
the
whole
initiative
that
luke
is
the
lead
for
and
it's
a
recent
initiative.
A
That
actually
does
make
me
think
bennett
that
on
the
demo
sites
right
now,
the
very
first
thing
that
happens
after
you
log
in
as
you
get
plopped
into
the
administrative
dashboard,
which
is
a
bit
much.
D
Yeah,
I
mean
maybe
still
let
them
have
admin
rights
but
put
them
to
a
different
home
page
or
something
yeah
or
maybe
yeah.
Welcome
to
welcome
to
hotel
california-
and
you
can
do
this
and
this
and
this
and
this
and
then
you
know
the
very
first
thing
they
think
about
the
the
difference
between
recognition,
memory
and
recall
memory.
D
So
if
I
were
to
ask
you
right
now,
what
was
the
name
of
your
fourth
grade
teacher
luke,
put
you
on
the
spot.
Dude.
Can
you
come
up
with
that?
It's
kind
of
hard.
I
I
don't
remember
the
name
of
my
fourth
grade
teacher,
so
it's
not
something
that
you
talked
about
in
a
while.
I
bet
right
yeah,
so
that's
recall
memory,
but
if
I
said
mrs
jones,
mrs
smith,
mrs
mcallister
misses
this,
mrs
that
and
you
go
oh
yeah.
That
was
my
third
grade
teacher.
D
It's
a
lot
easier
so
that
first
page
that
they
get
up
to
you
know
based
upon
your
search
engine,
optimization
and
whatever
keywords
that
you
think
your
users
have
when
they're
coming
to
that
page.
That's
what
you
want
to
fill
that
content
with
a
variety
of
different
words
that
are
in
the
keywords
of
what
that
person
wants.
Oh.
C
I
I
think
actually
one
one
thing
we
have
to
we
have
to
really
think
about
is:
is
the
bifurcation
you
get
when,
when
a
potential
site
builder
comes
into
the
site
and
not
not
just
who
they
are,
but
what
they're
thinking
of
at
the
time
like
they're,
they're
thinking
of
building
a
site?
So
so
are
they
thinking
in
terms
of
their
experience?
They're
gonna
have
as
a
site
builder
as
as
somebody
constructing
it
and
owning
a
site,
or
are
they
channeling
their
users
and
being
okay?
C
What
are
my
users
going
to
see
and-
and
I
think
I
think
anybody
that's
that's
contemplating
a
new
system
is
heavily
concerned
with
both.
I
I
mean
we,
I
I
don't
think
we
want
to
choose
one
or
the
other.
We
need
to
make
sure
whichever
one
we
we
choose.
The
other
path
is,
is
very,
very
handy
so
like,
for
example,
if
if
we
continue
to
have
it
so
that
puts
it
into
the
the
dashboard
which
I
I
think
is
actually
you
know.
C
D
Right,
yeah:
well,
what
you
do
is
you
make
an
optimized
landing
page
that
addresses
the
needs
of
all
those
users
that
are
going
to
be
coming
to
that
landing
page,
and
so
I
said
you
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
that
page
to
get
it
right,
and
you
know
I
don't
know
what
key
areas
you
guys
are
focusing
on.
People
can
tend
to
understand
things
in
chunks
of
seven
plus
or
minus
two.
D
So
do
five,
seven
or
nine
and
people
will
be
able
to
remember
those
sort
of
things
in
those
chunks.
Don't
do
anything!
That's
eight.
D
But
you
know
you
might
have
you
know
a
couple
main
call
to
actions
and
then
have
you
know
some
other
call
to
actions
down
below,
but
basically
that
landing
page
is
is
just
a
hub.
You
know
to
all
the
other
spots
in
the
site.
That's
been
created
with
these
non-existent
at
this
point
at
this
time,
themes
that
are
addressing
that
particular
market
segment
that
it
was
based
upon.
E
Yeah
yeah
on
the
drupal
end
at
some
point
recently,
maybe
the
last
year
or
a
couple
of
years.
What
they've
done
is
their
landing
page?
Has
these
personas
of
people
more
looking
at
it
from
more
from
a
marketing
perspective,
so
if
you're
a
site
owner
or
a
site
builder,
or
I
can't
remember
what
it
is-
and
we
do
have
a
an
issue
for
that.
In
the
backdrop
cms
side
there,
you
know
that's
a.
D
Great
landing
page,
where
you
have
a
picture
of
a
cartoon,
I'm
sorry
for
a
new
picture,
a
cartoon
or
something
that
says
I
am
a
site
owner
looking
to
upgrade
to
to
get
rid
of
my
current
cms
and
they
click
on
it
and
now
immediately.
We
know
that
that
person
knows
what
a
cms
is.
We
could
ask
them
which
one
it
is
and-
and
you
know
go
from
there,
and
so
I
am
a
totally
new
user.
What
the
hell's
a
cms!
D
Developer,
I
have
this:
where
can
I
host
this,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
hosting
partners
or
how
you're
finding
any
of
this.
E
D
B
I
have
a
suggestion,
which
is
one
of
the
things
we
did
a
while
back
was
we
created
in
our
forums,
some
sort
of
self-directed,
simple
usability
studies
and
one
of
them
is
and
they're
basically
just
like
try
to
do
this
and
then
give
us
feedback
on
whether
or
not
that
works,
and
one
of
them
is
in.
One
of
them
is
set
up
a
sandbox
site
to
evaluate
drupal
or
to
evaluate
backdrop-
and
you
know,
go
to
our
website
and
do
that
and
let
us
know
one
of
how
the
experience
was.
B
D
D
B
E
I'm
thinking
because
bennett
bennett's
feedback
will
be
valuable,
but
he's
not
part
of
our
forum
or
chat.
What
would
be
the
the
easiest
way
for
for
you
bennett
to
sort
of
like
participate?
Would
you
prefer
to
sort
of
like
get
a
register,
an
account
in
our
forum
and
then
start
some
topics
there
by
all
means,
do
so.
D
D
You
know
they
made.
You
address
the
config.sys
file
and
the
autoexec.bat
file
on
the
path
file
and
tim's
got
this
ear-to-ear
grin
on
his
face
because
he
knows
what
the
hell
I'm
talking
about.
I
was
like
one
of
the
biggest
advocates
for
installation
programs
that
automatically
did
that
stuff.
For
you,
the
out-of-the-box
experience
is
the
most
important
thing
and
you
know
like
apple
computer.
They
extended
that
all
the
way
to
the
packaging
of
the
of
the
hardware.
D
You
know
they
have
everything.
Just
like
so
apple.
You
know
it's
beautiful,
so
yeah.
You
know.
If
focus
on
that
out
of
the
box
experience,
you
know,
try
to
understand
the
the
pathways
that
people
have
to
go
through
them
and-
and
you
will
be
great
and
it's
all
about
market
research.
You
know
you
need
to
understand
who
you're,
who
your
market
people
are.
I'm
sure
there's
tons
of
data
on
other
drupal
market
shares
of
like
what
kind
of
people
use
drupal
for
this
site
or
that
sort
of
site.
D
E
Yep,
I'm
I'm
interested
in
one
thing:
how
how
recent
is
your
most
recent
experience
with
triple
seven
like?
When
was
the
last
time
that
you
worked
on
the
drupal
7
site
this
morning?
Okay,
cool?
E
I
would
really
just
besides
the
the
link
that
team
provided
on
how
you
get
to
spin
up
a
site
there
you
go
yeah,
I'm
interested,
I'm
interested
like
if
you
try
to
do
because
the
theory
is
that
the
the
the
whole
goal
is
that
we
are
the
continuation
of
drupal
7.
So
things
should
be
for
a
person
that
has
a
drupal
7
experience.
E
Things
should
be
familiar
like
you,
wouldn't
have
to
learn
more
and
at
the
same
time,
because
we've
been
improving
the
product
for
like
five
six
years
now,
things
should
be
less
frustrating
things
that
were
annoying
in
drupal
should
be
less
frustrating.
So
I
I
would
really
be
interested
for
you
to
just
try
to
do
normal.
D
E
It
would
need
some
tweaking
because,
as
we
said,
we
separated
the
layout
from
the
theme
the
skinning
bit.
So
it
would
need
a
little
bit
because
I
bought.
D
D
E
So,
are
you
referring
to
getting
the
content
out
of
the
drupal
7
yeah.
D
B
B
D
B
B
D
E
Yeah,
so
the
a
lot
of
popular
modules
for
drupal
7
are
already
in
backdrop
four,
and
because
we've
been
around
for
quite
a
few
years,
reported
most
of
the
most
popular
ones.
In
the
hundreds.
E
E
Yep
so
yeah
as
team
said
really.
We
are
all
really
interested
for
you
to
just
play
around
and
try
to
convert
one
side
or
just
spin
up
a
demo
and
just
let
us
let
us
know
what
what
we're
doing
good
but
we're
not
not
so
good
and
what
things
can
be
improved.
D
Well,
you
know
the
hardest,
the
hardest
thing
for
guys
like
you
and
I'm
not
being
mean
or
anything,
but
you
guys
are
like
so
intent
on
this
system
that
you
never
get
to
see
the
person
on
the
other
side
of
the
screen
and
have
empathy
for
them
and
and
try
to
understand
who
they
are.
That
is
the
most
important
thing
that
you
guys
need
to
realize.
You
know
you're
a
select
group
and
you
have
your
blinders
on
this
and
they
don't.
E
D
E
There's
one
additional
so
there's.
I
think
that
the
common
terminology
to
call
these
things
were
projects
and
that's
what
we
call
them
as
well.
We
call
them
projects
or
addons,
depending
on
where
you're
coming,
so
we
introduced
another
one
top
level
sort
of
like
project
thing.
So
in
drupal
we
had
modules
and
themes
and
profiles,
of
course,
but
we
have
all
of
those
plus
layouts.
E
Yes
and
core
comes
with
quite
a
few
of
them
installed
already,
and
there
were
a
few
contributed
ones,
but
from
what
everyone
that
has
been
using
backdrop
is
saying
they
either
they
either
build
their
own
custom
ones
or
they
just
use
the
core
ones
and
they're
enough,
because
they're
there's
like
a
dozen
of
them
and
they
cover
most
paints.
So
I.
E
Yeah
and
in
the
recent
couple
of
years
I
think,
year
last
year
or
so,
we
also
introduced
a
layout
template
builder
in
the
ui.
So
you
can
build
your
own
layout
within
the
interface
like
you
specify
how
many,
how
many
rows
each
row,
how
you
want
to
divide
it
in
how
many
sections,
and
then
I
can
put
so
many.
E
That's
really
cool
all
right,
I
think,
having
you
here,
bennett
sidetracked,
the
whole
thing,
which
is
a
good
thing
in
this
case
yeah,
so
we.
E
D
D
A
Well,
one
I
think
we
should
cover
at
least
is
anything
that
luke
has
currently
blocking
the
ready-to-wear
initiative.
Knocking
is
always
the
most
important
thing.
Are
there
any
any
things
that
you
could
use
some
assistance
with
or
where
other
other
people,
other
volunteers
can
put
forth
their
effort?.
C
Yeah
not
really,
I
I
mean,
there's,
there's
a
bunch
of
things
that
are
they're
in
my
hand
that
I'm
I'm
not
blocked
on
I'm
they're,
not
exclusively
me
as,
as
you
know,
tim
knows
where
he
jumped
inside
there
like
he.
There
there's
definitely
space
for
others
to
to
to
do
things,
but,
but
I
I
think
I
I
think
we're
embarrassingly
close
to
to
sort
of
a
a
we're,
an
initial
vision,
the
the
the
sandbox
site
that
I
have
on
on
pantheon.
C
It
needs
a
little
love
and
care
to
to
make
it
so
that
it
could
be
turned
into
like
a
tugboat
thing.
I
I
think
it
just
needs.
C
A
A
I
see
that
there's
some
commentary
in
the
agenda
here
about
promoting
certain
themes
or
I'm
not
sure
how
you
would
actually
get
into
one
of
the
demonstration
sites.
Are
we
planning
on
doing
something
with
the
installer
or
from
the
appearance
page
or
anything
like
that,
to
link
those
things
up.
C
Only
if
it's
good,
I
mean
I
I
ideally
if
this
stuff,
you
know,
ends
up
being
effective
if
it
ends
up
being
something,
that's
compelling
we'll
want
to
promote
it,
but
but,
but
I
I
I
think,
we'll
know
when
we're
at
that
point.
E
Okay,
there
was
there
was
a
discussion
at
some
point,
nate
that
we
should
remove
the
whole
notion
of
disabled
themes
and
that
we
have
an
issue
for
it
right.
So
once
yeah,
because
right,
it's
a
bit,
it's
a
bit
silly!
Now
that
that
you
know
you
still
have
disabled
teams
that
are
still
active
or
hitting
like
right.
You
can
do
things
with
them.
E
Yeah,
we
already
have
the
promoted
modules
issue,
which
was
specifically
for
modules,
but
it
can
be
for
themes
as
well
and
we
don't
know
if
for
themes,
so
teams
differ
when
it
comes
to
modules
and
themes.
Themes
are
something
that
requires
screenshots,
and
then
you
see
it.
So
we
might
have
a
different
differently
styled
page
for
them,
so
that
people
can
see
what
they're
sort
of
like
picking
but
yeah.
The
main
idea
and
the
whole
concept
would
be
basically
the
same
as
in
promoted
modules
got.
A
Here's
where
I
can
go
and
check
out
the
themes
that
are
getting
approved
as
being
like
these
are
the
really
nice
ones
and
you
can
try
them
out
and
then
after
we
have
that
part
set
up,
then
we
can
start
linking
into
that
from
other
places,
including
maybe
backdrop
cms.org
and
the
product
and
in
the
theme
listings,
page
and
and
maybe
from
the
installer,
but
but
first
we
need
to
play
section
link
two
before
we
do
the
linking
up.
Okay,
that's
a
generic
plan.
Yeah.
C
E
As
zen
said,
we
might
need
a
few
contributed
modules
like
a
theme
changer,
something
like
that
or
the
style
guide,
so
that
people
can
see
what
things
look
like.
But
this
will
come
way
later.
I
think
that
the
main
focus
now
is
decide
if
we're
going
to
be
generating
the
the
content
like
from
a
module
or
something
from
an
installer
profile
or
we're
going
to
try
to
port
or
cook
into
the
whole
obama
thing,
which
has
ready
open
source
ready
to
use
material.
E
So
we
put
that
together
once
we
have
the
content,
we
sort
of
like
decide
on
content
types
and
things
that
would
show
a
case,
for
example
the
various
layouts
or
views,
or
what
have
you
and
then
once
we
make
sure
that
that
looks
good
in
basis,
then
we'll
introduce
like
a
theme,
switcher
or
a
theme
browser
or
something
like
that
and
allow
people
to
just
see
what
they
like,
what
their
site
would
look
like
if
they
switch
things.
That's
that's
the
whole
idea.
D
A
Okay,
that
sounds
like
a
like
a
great
plan,
I'm
glad
to
hear
luke
that
you're
able
to
proceed
with
that,
like
without
any
impediments.
So
it's
one
o'clock
that
normally
we
have
an
hour-long
period
and
now
the
next
meeting,
which
is
developer
focused,
starts
about
now.
So
I'm
going
to
end
this
meeting.
If
that's
okay
with
everyone
and
then
you
can
join
back
in
again
at
the
same
url
and
I'll
start,
the
developer
meeting.
A
All
right
well,
thank
you
guys
all
for
joining
the
meeting
and
those
out
there
on
the
internet
that
watch
these.
We
appreciate
that
too.
So,
thanks
guys
and
we'll
see
you
guys,
maybe
in
a
minute
for
the
dev
meeting
bennett,
it
was
great
having
you
join.
We
really
appreciate
that.