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From YouTube: Backdrop Design and UX - April 23rd 2020
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A
Right,
we
are
alive,
it
is
Thursday
April
23rd,
and
this
is
a
design
and
user
experience.
Weekly
meeting
or
fortnightly
meeting
ok
talk
about
related
issues.
Her
backdrop
I
would
like
to
spend
a
minute,
letting
everybody
introduce
yourselves
before
we
get
started.
So
why
don't
we
start
with
Greg.
C
C
C
A
A
A
Why
don't?
We
start
with
the
design
theme,
user
experience
initiative
update
so
backdrop
will
be
adopting
initiatives
starting
in
the
117
release
cycle?
Yes,
and
we
passed
our
venture
proposals,
we
have
a
great
one
for
the
design
theme,
user
experience,
stuff
and
I
didn't
know
Luke.
You
wanted
to
do
an
update
in
this
meeting
for
anyone
watching
later
or
anyone
who
knows
more
about
it.
D
D
A
C
The
include
its
include
several
ready-to-use
themes
was
how
Luke
originally
posted
it
I
think
he
was
suggesting
in
corner,
and
then
we
talked
about.
You
know
at
least
having
more
themes
available
right
that
I
don't
know
if
that's
related
to
or
not
what
we've
talked
about
more
recently,
which
is
this
idea
of
having
a
site
to
just
be
able
to
love
a
theme
switcher
site
where
people
can
try
out
and
test
these
I.
D
Mean
they're
related
to
the
fundamental
problem
that
I'd
like
to
solve
is
that
is
it?
Somebody
should
be
able
to
build
a
site
with
backdrop
that
it
just
knows
nothing
about
how
to
make
a
website
prettier
yeah
someone
who
doesn't
know
what
the
word
font
means,
someone
that
couldn't
differentiate
between
Helvetica
and
x.
A
A
Would
love
it
if
we
could
find
a
way
to
adapt
the
current
initiative
proposal
to
include,
rather
than
being
very
specific,
about,
like
put
themes
in
core
which
I
think
could
be
done
in
an
issue
to
make
a
sort
of
higher
level?
And
you
like
address
this
fundamental
problem
of
it
being
hard
for
people
who
don't
write
code
or
understand
design,
to
make
their
site
look
good
and
that
could
address
more
themes
in
core.
It
could
address
a
better
way
for
those
people
to
choose
themes.
A
It
could
address
more
tools
for
allowing
people
to
do
stuff
in
like
the
or
something
like
if
I
wanted
to
I.
Don't
know,
we
already
have
upload
your
logo
or
whatever,
but
if
you
wanted
to
like
make
a
modification
in
a
way
that
wouldn't
look
terrible,
not
like
a
garland
green
gradient
as
opposed
to
a
garland
blue
gradient
thing,
but
something.
B
Have
I
have
some
thoughts
so
in
general,
I'm
for
adding
modules
or
features
in
core
to
make
life
easier
for
side
filters,
but
when
it
comes
to
teens
and
I'll,
explain
why
we
are
in
a
better
position
than
report
this
moment,
because
we
have
the
project
browser.
So
I
would
like
to
avoid
the
overhead
of
having
new
themes
in
core
and
I
would
like
us
to
make
it
easier
for
people
to
choose.
B
Browse,
select,
install
things
from
the
current
repository,
like
the
current
collection
that
we
have
so
I
see
this
initiative
as
sort
of
like
bullet
points
of
what
could
be
done.
I
would
like
to
have
more
things:
support,
colors,
color,
mojo
color
variations,
because
that's
an
easy
way
to
customize
anything
and
make
it
look
different
than
some
other
sites.
So,
if
that's
a
concern
that
some
people
have
like
I,
don't
want
my
site
exactly
like
every
other
side,
so
we're
doing
a
good
job
with
Bartok
at
the
moment.
B
There's
a
discussion
around
color
module
and
being
using
variables
as
variables,
but
that
delves
sort
of
like
digs
into
Deemer
territory,
which
is
the
opposite
of
what
you
were
mentioning.
Look
that
they
don't
have
to
know
code
necessarily
that's
why
I'm
saying
bullet
points,
so
we
can
touch
on
multiple
things.
We
can
touch
on
providing
more
support
for
color
for
more
things
we
can
look.
D
Know
whole
heartedly
agree
with
that:
I'm
I'm,
looking
at
the
initiative
proposal
and
and
well
I,
don't
actually
say
include
in
core
I
can
see
how
that
would
would
be.
How
that's
read
and
that's
that's
not
what
I
meant
I
I
just
actually
meant
it
from
the
initial
thing.
It'd
be
a
button
press
away
like
from
the
users
perspective.
If
it.
B
Less
work
for
them.
That's
the
point.
Let's
work
for
them,
you
notice
to
try
at
the
point
and
there's
another
one,
all
the
people
that
are
actually
steamers
and
they
want
to
grab
a
so.
They
find
a
theme
that
brings
them
so
like
80%
to
where
they
want
to
be.
I
would
like
us
to
make
it
easier
for
them
to
find
ways
to
create
some
things
and
customize
them
for
those
that
do
a
little
bit
of
coding
in
that.
In
that
aspect,
I
think
there's
an
issue
for
it.
B
A
I
really
liked,
when
I
was
first
learning,
how
to
theme
I,
really
like
the
starter
kit.
That
was
a
part
of
Zen
and
I,
really
liked.
How
like
well
documented
was
I
felt
like
it
was
a
really
great
educational
tool,
at
least
in
the
beginning,
when
I
was
fairly
simple
and
I
would
love
it.
If
we
could
maybe
take
a
look
at
like
the
Drupal
6
and
example,
and
see
if
we
can
do
something.
A
B
So
my
my
idea
was
to
create
a
sub
theme
from
the
17
and
and
provide
a
back
evasion
of
this
like
a
dark
mode
version
of
it.
But
this
is
a
good
idea,
but
most
people
will
be
looking
to
sort
of
like
sub
seem
a
content
user
facing
things
instead
of
at
the
admin
fee.
So
if
anyone
has
better
ideas
or
use
cases,
but
this
was
a
request
that
we
have
seen
a
couple
of
times
in
Gator
saying
we
should
support
dark
mode
and
I.
B
Think
that
says
there
is
a
something
like
in
Drupal
and
we're
there
something
in
Clara
where
they're
creating
a
doctrine
of
Clara,
then
you
think
for
a
benign
and
I
thought
that
that
was
a
good
idea.
But,
as
I
said,
this
initiative
is
mostly
about
people
that
will
be
using
things
for
the
consumption
of
their
customers
of
site
visitors.
A
Yeah
I
think
that
project
could
also
start
and
contribs.
It's
gonna
probably
need
a
designer
to
help
us
pick
in
the
normal
admin
theme.
We
have
like
eight
versions
of
grey
we're.
Gonna
need
somebody
to
choose
those
and
then
do
an
accessibility
check
on
them.
Yeah
it's
for
a
dark
version
and
that
could
be
tricky
in
core
I.
Think
if
we
had
that
done
in
kinship,
first
I
might
move
a
little
faster.
My.
B
Motive,
my
motive
for
adding
a
sub
singing
core
he's
also
has
a
little
bit.
That
is
a
bit
on
the
dev
experience
and
what
we
do
with
testing.
So
I
would
like
us
to
be
able
to
add
actually
describe
potential
problems
with
subtly.
So
we
had,
we
had
a
few
issues
that
where
some
things
do
not
inherit,
color
were
supported.
Things
like
that.
So
if
we
do
have
a
sub
thing,
in
course,
it
doesn't
add
a
lot
of
overhead
like
that
motors
good,
then
we
can
ask
in
court
just
so.
We.
A
Okay,
great
also
I,
think
we
do
already
have
seven
theme
tests
in
core
I
just
think
they
weren't
testing
the
things
that
are
broken
so
I,
don't
think
adding
a
sub-theme,
especially
one
that
just
changes
colors
like
a
dark
thing,
would
actually
help
us
catch
more
of
those.
So
we
need
to
have
the
tests
for
the
things
that
are.
You
know
we
don't
we
don't
know,
what's
broken
until
they're
broken,
and
then
we
can
add
the
tests,
but
I
don't
think
it
helped.
In
this
case,
yeah.
D
So
that
packet
got
an
AK
as
opposed
to
an
AK,
so
I'll
be
broadcasted,
which
is
the
you
know.
Boot
Squatch
contains
you
know,
comes
with
a
half
dozen
or
so
I
think
I'll
be
more
than
that.
You
know
different
ways
that
bootstrap
can
look
that
that
some
are
dark.
Some
are
light,
so
I'm,
a
big
fan,
some
are
professional,
like
you
know,
covers
a
I,
think
it's
kind
of
narrow
game,
but
it's
it's
at
least
a
start-up
I
I.
A
A
B
It
was
a
sort
of
a
cosmic
idea
which
already
has
an
airy
ticket
like
I've,
been
in
the
three
digit
range
about
providing
better
previews
of
the
blocks
being
added
in
layouts
again
when
people
are
adding
blocks,
sometimes
in
some
cases
certain
blocks
had
the
same
name.
So
if
a
person
had
various
many
as
they
see
many
block
manual
or
any
book,
they
don't
have
any
idea
whether
these
things
like
that
I'm
just
making
examples
now.
B
A
That
shows
up
to
render
the
output
and
put
it
in
the
description
area
so
that
when
you're,
looking
at
you
get
like
a
little
tiny
snapshot
of
like
what's
gonna
be
in
there,
but
some
of
the
problems
that
came
up
with
that
is
that
the
admin
theme
really
makes
it
not
recognizable
for
people
a
lot
of
times
when
you're
like
oh,
this
doesn't
look
anything
like
my
menu
on
the
front
end
of
the
site.
Is
it
broken?
And
then
people
get
like
really
concerned?
A
It
almost
turns
them
off
if
it's
almost
what
they
want,
but
not
what
they
want.
There's
like
it
there's
a
disconnection
like
oh
I'm,
playing
boxes
that
represent
the
thing
versus
on
placing
a
thing.
I,
don't
know
how
to
solve
that
problem.
It's
surely
possible,
but
I
think
we
would
need
to
involve
some
design
help.
I.
Think
though
there
are,
there
are
more
things
we
can
do
about
like
making.
B
B
In
the
layout
builder,
where
we
sort
of
like
have
the
Sun
getting
the
condensing
being
represented
in
the
block,
so
like
placement
section,
but
then
that
brings
issues
like
there's
certain
admin
interface
controls,
the
drag
controls
that
might
not
be
represented
in
the
front
end
thing
or
thought
of
it
might
seem
broken
were.
As
you
said,
then,
the
the
user
will
not
be
getting
exactly
what
they
will
be
seeing
and,
as
I
said,
I
don't
have
a
submission
to
that.
B
A
If
there's
a
way,
we
can
work
on
this
in
kinship
with
a
module
that
would
modify
the
contents
of
like
each
block
when
viewed
in
an
administrative
context
and
play
around
with
it
a
little
bit,
we
could
start
there.
We
could
also
go
as
far
a
slit.
You
just
recommended
we're
like
have
a
module
that
modifies
in
the
layout
context
of
the
lander
size
and
I.
Think
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
how
much
it
like
I
think
by
default
and
I.
A
Think
I
know
for
me
personally:
I
often
remove
contextual
links
on
blocks
when
I
find
them
more
confusing
than
helpful.
Just
go
into
the
template
and
like
rip
out
the
prefix
and
suffix
around
the
title
and
to
make
the
link
go
away
so
I,
don't
I
would
be
deliberately
breaking
both
Brennan
and
back
an
interface
by
doing
that,
it.
B
Was
it
was
basically
Luke,
looks
comments
that
sort
of,
like
maybe
made
me
think
of
this
concept
or
combined
thoughts
in
my
head
and
think
of
we
do
have
a
preview
in
the
theme
settings
for
the
color
module,
which
works
really
great,
like
people
actually
see
it
can
browse
the
site
with
what
the
colors
that
configure
and
I
know
that
it's
like
a
big
task,
and
it's
like
I,
haven't
even
think
thought
through
on
how
we
could
achieve
that.
But
it
would
be
amazing
if
we
could
do
something
similar
with
layouts,
like
I.
Think.
A
E
The
front
end
and
the
back
end
on
of
your
layout
are
both
rendered
with
a
layout
renderer,
and
it's
just
like.
We
have
the
front
end
layout
renderer,
which
just
displays
your
content
in
the
back
end,
one
which
displays
the
the
UI.
Could
we
make
a
new
one
as
sort
of
a
port
of
the
in-place
editor
from
panels
in
Drupal?
Seven
and
have
sort
of
like
render
your
front
end,
but
then
have
like
lines
around
where
your
region
is
art,
so
you
can
do
drag-and-drop
stuff.
On
your
front
end
theme
yeah,.
A
A
Something
wants
I,
don't
remember,
maybe
Gregory
you
can
where
we
were
talking
about
opening
the
administrative
settings
for
a
block
in
the
front
end
theme.
So
it's
like
the
opposite
of
what
we're
talking
about
now
or
we're
opening
like
rendering
the
front
end
of
the
block
in
the
back.
This
was
rendering
the
back
end.
If
the
blocks
in
the
front,
it
might
be
useful
to
look
at
that
poor
request.
A
B
It
was
if
I,
if
we're
talking
about
the
same
thing,
was
the
confusion
was
that
when
people
are
in
the
front
end,
there's
a
contextual,
contextual
link
that
allows
them
to
edit
the
block,
but
that
leads
them
to
the
back
end,
and
then
they
say
what
am
I
editing
now,
so
the
effort
was
to
sort
of
like
allow
editing
the
block
in
place
like
having
this
dialogue
pop
up
with
the
front
end
thing
anyways,
I
haven't
haven't
visited
that
it
was
along
those
lines.
It
wasn't,
it
wasn't
exactly
you
know,
but
yeah.
B
A
I
like
permissions,
where,
if
you
don't
have
permission
to
like
administer
layouts,
you
don't
get
the
opportunity
out
of
the
block
on
the
front
end
or
something
but
yeah
I.
Think
people
are
just
gonna,
be
like.
Oh
that's
stupid.
Why
do
I
need
that
and
then
check
the
box
and
then
so
weak?
Yes,
but
we
could
try
it
with.
E
Working
on
a
couple
backdrop,
sites
with
a
lady
who
has
a
lot
of
experience
with
WordPress
and
she
has
had
a
really
hard
time
with
like.
Why
is
this
setting
on
my
theme
and
that
setting
on
my
layout-
and
why
are
these?
Why,
when
I
put
like
I
block
with
my
social
media
links
and
my
footer
doesn't
not
show
up
on
all
of
my
pages
yeah.
B
Yeah
I
think
this
is
a
fundamental
problem
that
comes
from
the
fact
that
both
Drupal,
at
least
until
version
7
and
now
I-
think
that
they
seem
in
layout
is
a
single
thing
is
considered
theming,
whereas
in
backdrop,
we
sort
of
like
split
that
notion
into
two
separate
things
and
we
made
it
or
the
idea
is
to
make
it
so
that
the
thing
can
be
changed.
Thing
means
colors,
roughly
colors,
fonts
and
graphics.
B
I,
guess
and
layout
is
a
totally
separate
thing
and
the
idea
there
is
that
if
you
switch
themes,
you
won't
break
break
your
site.
The
structure
of
your
site,
yeah
I,
think
precisely.
There
is
a
big
class
I
think
that
it's
we're
heading
in
the
right
direction,
but
I
understand
what
you're
saying
that
people
coming
others
you
know
is.
A
Even
more
extreme
in
the
other
direction
where
they
include
like
module
like
behavior
in
a
theme
like
you,
can
get
a
commerce
theme
and
it
turns
a
normal
WordPress
site
into
a
commerce
site.
So
I
think,
like
you
know,
it's
going
to
be
hard
for
us,
because
we're
trying
to
appeal
to
those
people
to
clearly
represent
the
separation
of
what
is
module.
What
is
the
theme?
What
is
the
layout
at
least
only
trying
to
do
it?
Only
visually
in
the
UI
is
really
hard.
I,
always.
B
Thought
that
well
I
always
thought
that
what
WordPress
was
is
sort
of
like
an
entry-level
CMS,
where
people
start
and
that
motion
that
you
just
explained
and
sort
of
what
makes
it
easier
for
them
to
grasp
the
whole
ideas
and
the
concepts.
But
once
they
start
learning
more
and
getting
more
professional
may
I
say
that
they
sort
of
like
or
advancement
to
say,
more
ambitious.
B
Then
they
start
exploring
different
ways
to
make
more
structured
data
and
contents,
and
that's
when
they
sort
of
like
think
moving
into
CMS
is
like
a
triple-decker.
So
I
don't
think
that
we
will
ever
appeal
to
the
audience.
That
is
not
yet
in
that
point
in
there.
So
like
learning
experience
where
they're
ready
to
sort
of
like
go
to
more
structured
but
I.
A
Do
think
there
are
some
things
we
can
do
like
that
I
have
to
place
the
block
in
the
footer
on
everything
for
everyone.
That's
not
a
so
I
think,
there's
a
lot
we
can
do
to
improve
experience.
They
just
think
we're
not
gonna
get
this
same
end
goal
with.
You
know
all
the
configurations
in
the
theme
that
people
expect
to
be
there.
B
E
B
Because
sometimes
people
put
put
two
or
three
blocks
in
a
specific
region
like
the
footer
has
an
example
that,
and
they
have
to
repeat
that
in
every
sort
of
like
layout
that
they
create,
and
the
idea
was
that
he
created
a
template
or
whatever
we
call
that
for
blocks.
But
then
you
can
reuse,
muscle,
I,
think.
A
We
might
even
want
to
go
farther
than
that,
and
this
is
we
don't
have
region
settings
right
now,
I
think
maybe
we
have
like
a
CSS
class
or
something
but
that's
it,
but
make
it
like
a
region
setting
that
disables
the
placement
of
blocks
and
instead
says
this
region
is
copying
from
default,
and
even
if
the
starting
point
was
like,
you
don't
get
to
choose
which
other
template
you
copy
from
it
just
copies
from
default.
I
think
that
would
be
a
huge
step
forward.
It
won't
cover
99%
of
use
cases.
B
A
B
A
B
A
B
A
C
B
I
think
I
think
that
the
issue
is
I
recall
that
they
might
be
two
of
them,
but
I
found
one
of
them
issue,
18
a
PC,
so
one
886,
it
says,
allow
regions
and
blocks
with
thing
to
be
reused.
Copy
region,
I
think
that
that
was
the
one
and
then
there's
one
if
there
is
any
related
I'm
sure
that
we
will
be
mentioning
it
in
that
speaker
as
well,
so
I'm
trying
and
scrolling
through
it
to
find
what.
A
A
On
the
interviewed,
both
of
us
because
I
don't
understand
the
difference
right
now,
but
thank
you
for
digging
those
up:
okay,
we've
kind
of
gotten
a
little
off
track
with
the
design
theme,
user
experience,
initiative
update,
but
I
think
we
hit
on
a
bunch
of
important
issues.
We
need
to
be
working
on
anyway,
so
I
think
that
was
a
valuable
conversation.
B
Yeah,
so
there
is
one
one
sort
of
like
matter
or
subject:
I
should
say
that
touches
on
more
would
help
that
and
it
it
it
so
most
of
a
an
outreach,
and
it
has
brought
up
many
times.
What
can
we
do
to
to
attract
more
people
to
contribute
into
actually
creating
contrib
beings
that
then
people
can
browse
and
you
know
try?
C
The
way
I
would
phrase
the
initiative
is
that
the
initiative
should
be
about
making
more
readily
available
themes
available
and
the
solution
to
that
is
going
to
be
multifaceted,
and
one
of
them
is
going
to
be
encouraging
developers
to
make
them
right.
It's
it's
not
going
to
be
a
purely
technical
solution.
I,
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
also
sort
of
a
community
or
outreach
issue,
getting
people
involved
in
the
control
space
figuring
out.
Why
that's
not
happening
cuz?
There's
a.
A
Higher
level
than
that,
because
I
don't
think
getting
more
themes,
as
the
only
answer,
I
would
love
to
see.
You
know
more
customizable
themes
or
more
like
an
easier
way
for
people
to
choose
it
like
all
better
ways
for,
like
all
of
that,
stuff
could
be
incorporated
into
something
that
isn't
just
about
how
to
get
more
themes.
Maybe
it's
all
related
I,
don't
know
like
I
feel
like
this
is
our
chicken
and
egg
things.
B
A
A
B
B
B
16C
made
an
effort
as
well.
Didn't
you
started
doing
some
work,
I.
Remember
the
I.
Remember
the
outcome
of
that
work
being
a
few
issues
in
the
streaming:
the
queue
about
blockers
about
certain
things
that
would
make
your
life
of
the
femur
more
difficult,
and
then
we
I'm
not
sure
where
we
are
asked
with
that.
I
recall
the
full-length
four-story,
full
width
section
and
the
gaps
that
were
between
them.
Think
like
that
and
all
this
work
came
from
your
work,
trying
to
course
or
create
anything
right.
C
Yes
and
no,
it
actually
came
from
trying
to
figure
out
what
you
could
do
to
make
your
site
look
better,
just
using
basis
finding
problems
and
then
creating
a
new
theme
and
fix
those
problems,
but
hopefully
that
sorting
those
in
into
basis.
So
the
goal
was
to
like
I
should
be
able
to
configure
a
good-looking
site
with
bases
and
there
you
know
identified
some
bugs
there,
so
that
could
be
a
part
of
I
mean
I.
C
Think
if
we
want
a
sort
of
a
practical
outcome
of
this
discussion,
it
would
be
trying
to
get
closer
to
what
the
scope
of
this
would
be
because
I'm
hearing,
you
know
like
a
Gregory,
putting
forward
a
really
measurable,
simple,
straightforward
goal-
maybe
not
praised
perfectly.
But
so
maybe
it's
not
port
3
themes.
But
it's
like
make
sure
that
there
are.
You
know
we
have
X
number
of
attractive,
easy
to
use
themes,
whether
they're
ported
new.
We
don't
care
where.
C
A
D
D
You
know
knowing
what
we're
talking
about,
but
as
we've
already
talked
about
in
this
discussion,
what
WordPress
people
say
what
I
mean
themes
actually
is
substantially
different
from
that
and
we
have
to
communicate
with
them
and
I
would
I
would
suggest
that
that
even
that
doesn't
really
cover
it,
that,
like
general
population,
hasn't
even
larger
range
of
things
that
they
don't
know
so
so
so
we
want
to
at
the
same
time.
You
know
you,
even
though
that
larger
thing,
probably
75%
of
their
fortune
I
mean
actually
is
any
things.
D
So
so
we
don't
want
to
like
forget
that
I
mean
that's
the
low-hanging
fruit,
that's
where
we
want
to
get
the
most
bang
for
the
buck
on
the
outside.
But
if
we
ignore
that
25%
its,
we
actually
end
up
closing
very
little
the
gap.
We
need
to
somehow
address
that
other
stuff.
Maybe
it's
a
documentation
thing.
Maybe
it's
as
you're
choosing
themes
like
a
little
thing
that
says,
oh
by
the
way,
you'll
also
want
to
do
layouts,
and
you
know
modules
and
color
module
or
you
know
whatever
like
we
need
to.
D
B
And
I
have
not
like
we're
close
to
1200
right
now
and
although
all
these
things
that
we
discussed
that
I
come
up
every
now
and
then
I
haven't
seen
anyone
complaining.
So
it's
my
my
idea
that
people
are
either
using
reusing
or
something
vices
or
they're,
building
custom
things
so
far,
so
the
honking
audience,
or
at
least
the
people
that
have
adopted
back
shop,
maybe
do
not
need
all
of
that
which
is
not
to
sidetrack
the
discussion.
The
discussion
of
how
do
we
bring
the
rest
of
the
people
who
are
looking
for
those
features?
B
A
Just
gonna
say
that
last
week
or
last
design
meeting
Gregory
I,
don't
think
you
were
here,
but
Luke
brought
up.
This
amazing
point
that
I
hadn't,
even
thought
of,
is
that
we
could
do
more
with
the
style
guide
and
provide
some
like
face
things
in
there
that
we
expect
everything
to
support
and
things.
Just
like
a
view
of
teasers
that
we
don't
have
like
a
concrete
list
of
like
things
that
people
who's
making
a
theme
need
to
have.
A
It
looked
good
with
right
and
if
all
goes
in
our
style
guide-
and
we
said
if
you're
gonna
contribute
it
being
put
on
the
style
guide,
make
sure
everything
is
styling.
It
looks
good.
We
would
probably
get
from
things
that
look
like
good
and
a
screenshot
terrible
on
your
site
because
you've
built
views
or
something
does
something
that
would
look
a
lot
better,
because
most
of
what
makes
Drupal
so
hard
to
get
a
good
theme
for
is
all
of
the
customizations,
which
sort
of
requires
that
everybody
make
a
custom
theme.
A
And
so
it's
just
sort
of
this
world
of
like
it's
to
everything,
is
to
custom.
There's
no
way
we
can
make
one
team,
that's
gonna
work
well
on
every
site,
but
if
we
start
providing
better
baselines,
then
I
think
that
more
people
will
be
able
to
build
sites
using
those
baselines
and
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up.
You
weren't
here
when
we
first
talked
about
that,
and
it
just
kind
of
like
blew
my
mind
like.
Why?
Don't
we
do
that?
A
B
A
B
Because
that
is
a
told
that
team
excuse
my
core,
where
they
should
use
sort
of
as
a
guide.
That's
why
it's
called
a
style
guide
so
to
make
sure
that
they
sort
of,
like
think,
probably
every
aspect,
but
back
to
what
Joseph
said.
Just
to
answer.
Your
question
I
think
that
if
we
take
the
battle
again,
I'm
going
to
throw
random
number
three
or
five
most
popular
modules
being
used
in
drupal.org
and
look
at
the
usage
that
okay,
we
see
fifty
thousand
sides
using
a
single
thing.
Then
that
tells
us
something
and
I
independent.
B
We
have
things
like
bootstrap
and
Omega,
which
are
not
actual
things,
but
if
we
find
actual
things
that
are
not
starterkit'
or
some
themes
of
something
else,
then
that
should
tell
us
something.
So
if
we
see
there's
roughly
1
million
site
built
on
Drupal,
Drupal
7
should
be
like
700k
and
interpolate
around
300
K.
D
Only
think
that's
it
I
mean
I
I
experienced
coming
into
Drupal
in
a
way
in
version
6,
and
my
assumption
was
that
I
wouldn't
have
to
build
a
custom
theme
like
I
got,
forced
kicking
and
screaming
into
that.
Like
I
tried
all
sorts
of
things,
and
you
know
you're,
like
the
most
popular
theme,
is
ends
all
right.
Let's
see
what
that
looks
like,
oh,
my
god,
it
looks
like
total
crap
like
like
yeah.
There
was
no
answer
there
that
worked
for.
C
A
minute
yeah
I
feel
like
I,
haven't
been
able
to
talk
for
about
20
minutes.
The
first
I
mean
forget
about
what
I
was
trying
to
say
before,
but
I'm
his
issue.
We
don't
get
a
lot
of
demand
for
this,
because
a
lot
of
the
people
that
are
act
and
in
backdrop
make
their
own
themes
and
that's
the
way
they
do
it
right.
C
There
is
demand
for
pre-made
themes,
right
III,
don't
I,
don't
maintain
any
sites
that
I
built
that
use,
pre,
sort
of
pre
finished
themes
in
Drupal,
7
I
maintain
two
sites
at
least
two
sites
that
were
built
by
someone
else
with
themes
that
they
didn't
do
anything
that
you
know
it's
out
of
the
box,
Drupal
7
themes.
There
are
a
lot
of
sites
like
that
out
there.
There
are
people
coming
to
backdrop
and
trying
to
build
sites
and
being
frustrated
by
that
and
leaving,
but
they're
not
sort
of
sticking
around
it.
C
The
people
who
stick
around
are
the
people
like
us
who
want
to
build
our
own
themes,
and
so
we
don't
need
those
other
things
like
all
of
my
experimentation
around.
Creating
these
other
themes
are
not
under
the
the
vision
that
I
would
ever
use
them
right.
I,
don't
personally
plan
to
build
sites,
because
I
can
I
tend
to
create
my
own
custom
themes
or
some
things,
but
I
think
there
there
are
people
and
I'm.
C
You
know,
I'm
talking
to
I've,
been
doing
this
little
class
for
the
last
couple
weeks
with
a
couple
of
sort
of
site
builders
that
they
just
wanted
out
of
the
box.
They
they
just
want
to
be
able
to
pick
a
simple
theme
and
have
it
work
and-
and
there
is
you-
know,
they're
frustrated
by
what's
available,
but
they're
not
coming
to
the
issue-
queue
and
they're
not
coming
to
Zul
up
and
complaining.
D
This
is
this
is
not
just
within
back
job,
not
will
not
even
which
is
web
like
this
is
this.
Is
a
computer
industry
problem
like
if
you
look
at
all
the
stuff
that
people
do
with
computers
web
browsers,
and
you
know
tik-tok
and
all
these
things
all
these
things
were.
You
know
using
interfaces
that
were
built
in
like
the
last
five
or
ten
years,
except
for
programmers.
D
Programmers
largely
use
VI
for
doing
things,
I'm
exactly
the
same
way
that
people
are
doing
50
years
ago,
like
there's,
nothing
else
that
people
were
doing
50
years
ago
that
they
still
do
the
same
way,
except
for
coding
and
and
that's
because
of
precisely
this
problem,
like
the
people
that
write
code
are
the
people
that
manage
to
make
it
work
for
them,
and
they
don't
see
it
as
a
really
compelling
need
to
fix
that.
The
people
who
do
see
does
only
need
can't
do
anything
about
it
and
you
know,
choose
a
different
career
so.
B
The
point
that
I
was
trying
to
make
in
a
link,
basically
with
all
of
you
in
the
chat,
which
is
the
stock
search
page
for
things
in
Drupal,
listing
everything
sorted
by
the
most
popular
the
most
installed.
So
if
you
scroll
through
that
you'll
see
in
bootstrap,
you'll
see
add
many
more,
which
is
an
admin
team
C,
then
Omega
adaptive
thing
barrier,
which
a
thing
is
also
a
static,
so
like
Keith
Tao
and
then
you
with
a
theme
like
corporate
clean,
which
is
not
a
country.
So
this
is
the
things
that
I
was
talking.
B
There
was
your
fame
to
so.
Obviously,
a
lot
of
people
are
using
corporate
clean
and
then
this
is
shiny
where
they
can
be
they're.
Also
generic
or
static
observe
as
well,
but
then
you
hit
download.
This
is
another
sort
of
like
unique
thing
that
people
seem
to
be
using
a
lot
and
right
after
that,
there's
one
called
business
again,
a
thing
that
is
not
a
something
or
something.
B
So
this
is
the
things
that
I
was
referring
to
us,
the
most
popular
which
make
sure
that
these
so
like
have
an
equivalent
I
haven't
looked
at
the
code,
maybe
it's
horrible
and
we
shouldn't
put
them
in
the
first
place,
but
if
they
are
decent
enough
and
we
bring
them
to
back
so
that
they,
you
know,
you
have
three
of
the
most
popular
things
in
Drupal
likely
in
some
form
being
in
backdrop
as
well.
That's
what
I
was
getting
my
I
nearly
even
though
the
one
month
money
nearly
yeah,
think
that
before.
A
A
Wrap
this
meeting
and
I
went
back
for
design.
Mateus
I
know
you
just
as
only
joined
you're,
probably
here
for
the
weekly
meeting,
but
I'm
gonna
kick
everyone
off
just
so
that
we're
sure
this
YouTube
video
gets
properly
uploaded.
So
you'll
have
to
reject
sorry
about
that.
Hi,
everybody
maybe
see
you
in
living.