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From YouTube: Backdrop Design / UX - Jan 30, 2020
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A
All
right
looks
like
we're
live.
This
today
is
January
30th,
and
this
is
our
first
strategy
and
planning,
perhaps
goal-setting,
meaning
for
what
we
want
to
do
in
2020.
This
meeting
is
usually
our
design
and
user
experience
issue,
so
we're
gonna
try
and
keep
our
conversation
limited
to
those
topics
today.
A
But
before
we
get
started
on
big
picture
strategy,
stuff
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
we
could
get
everybody
here
to
say
who
you
are.
Maybe
why
you
said
to
come
to
this
meeting
and
if
you
have
any
thoughts
on
our
what
our
goals
should
be
for
2020
or
just
in
general,
our
strategy
for
handling
design
and
user
experience
issues.
Little
Tim.
Do
you
want
to
start?
Can.
A
That's
great,
so
we
use
design
in
backdrop
usually
to
talk
about
the
design
of
the
product
itself,
so
that
would
be
like
the
front
end
theme,
the
back
end
theme
and
how
those
appear
visually
to
people
looking
at
the
product.
Sometimes
there
are
also
elements
of
I
am
designing
website
for
a
client
and
I'm
facing
this
problem,
so
it
there
might
be
a
technical
problem.
That's
related
design
that
isn't
necessarily
in
need
of
designers
feedback,
but
we
want
to
hear
from
designers
what
the
problem
is
so
that
we
can
solve
it.
A
Ux
is
abbreviation
for
usability,
and
what
that
often
means
is
how
easy
is
it
for
a
person
to
complete
a
task?
So
sometimes
that
is
something
like
navigating
a
menu
system
on
the
front
end
of
the
website,
and
that
could
be
anyone
who's
using
the
website
needs
to
use
the
website
more
easily.
Sometimes
it
can
be
a
super
high
level.
A
Administrative
task,
like
you,
know,
I'm
having
trouble
deleting
the
messages
in
the
watchdog
database
log
when
in
fact,
I
want
to
filter.
There
could
be
things
like
that
that
trip
people
up,
that
we
want
to
make
intuitive
so
that
you
have
to
consult
the
documentation
less
often
on
how
to
do
something,
and
also
so
you
make
fewer
mistakes.
So
the
last
amount
of
time
administrators
can
spend
clicking
around
especially
a
high
level.
Perhaps
expensive
administrators
can
spend
clicking
around
the
site
the
more
money.
A
That's
gonna
end
up
saving
people
who
are
owning
the
web
sites
who
hired
those
people
to
do
those
things
and
the
less
work
it
takes.
Somebody
on
the
front
end
to
achieve
their
goal.
The
happier
they're
gonna
be
with
the
product,
so
whether
that
is
somebody
who's
buying
something
from
a
website
that
you
offer
they're
gonna,
be
more
inclined
to
return
to
your
website
and
buy
it
again
or
they're.
Gonna
have
a
better
experience
buying
it.
A
Maybe
they'll
buy
more
things
or
if
it's
you
know
you
as
a
content
creator
creating
content,
we
don't
want
you
to
get
frustrated
using
the
system
to
write
a
blog
post.
So
usability
is
basically
how
easy
it
is
to
use,
and
that
can
be
any
audience.
Designing.
Usability
have
a
lot
of
overlap,
because
sometimes
we
like
to
make
things
really
pretty
and
in
the
process
it
makes
them
less
usable.
A
A
great
example,
for
that
is
something
like
you
know:
I
decided
that
I
wanted
to
make
all
of
the
buttons
gradient
color
of
Gray's,
but
in
the
process
of
doing
that
and
the
meaning
of
what
each
color
might
be
lost.
So
it's
dark
grey
mean
active
and
white
means.
Disabled
or
just
white
means
something
different.
A
So
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
elements
of
patterns
that
often
get
repeated,
and
sometimes
we
need
help
with
designing
those
patterns
so
that
we
can
get
a
consistent
experience
all
the
way
across
the
administrative
fix
me
a
side
of
things
and
sometimes
also
on
the
front
edge
too.
So
in
general
backdrop
is
a
fork
of
triple-triple,
has
a
reputation
of
not
being
terribly
usable,
we're
trying
to
improve
that
by
thinking
about
the
design
decisions
we
make
and
the
usability
decisions
we
make.
A
When
we're
working
on
software,
we
are
trying
to
keep
in
mind
that
right
now
our
primary
audiences
people
who
are
coming
from
Drupal
so
trying
not
to
change
too
much
of
what
people
already
know.
We
want
to
keep
the
experience
that's
familiar
to
them,
but
make
it
less
confusing
or
faster
for
them
to
achieve
the
things
that
they're
already
familiar
with
doing.
That
said,
we're
also
trying
to
compete
against
WordPress,
which
people
love
and
has
a
general
experience
for
people
experience
it
as
being
very
usable
software.
A
That's
various
obviously,
by
the
person's
you
know
desk,
and
so
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
backdrop
is
intuitive
to
people
that
have
never
seen
backdrop
before
and
if
people
many
people
have
had
experience
with
WordPress,
because
since
power
or
third
of
the
Internet,
so
if
people
have
seen
WordPress
before
some
of
the
patterns
that
are,
there
are
good
to
apply
to
different
systems.
So
we
have
adopted
a
lot
of
things
like
terminology
from
WordPress,
so
that
people
will
feel
familiar
with
the
system
immediately.
A
So
in
terms
of
this
meeting,
we
could
really
go
any
way
with
it.
We
want,
but
I
would
like
to
talk
about
how
we
plan
on
improving
both
the
design,
to
make
backdrop
them
more
attractive
to
all
the
designers
and
these
your
experience
to
make
it
a
more
attractive
tool
that
people
who
are
using
it
in
a
way
that
is
useful
for
everyone.
A
B
I'm
Tamara
and
I'm
with
trip
club
I,
know
pretty
much
coming
down
as
many
of
these
meetings
of
the
backdrop
meetings
as
I
send
for
the
last
year,
so
I've
been
a
regular
participant
in
the
next
meeting.
I
I
feel
a
little
bit
at
times
like
it's
there
I'm
very
interested
in
the
outreach.
I,
don't
know
the
mikerickson
one
is
one
of
the
meeting
I'm
the
most,
and
it
was
about
and
I
think
some
proof
for
reasons
that
I
think
we
you
talk
about
today.
B
B
That
it's
a
little
bit
I,
don't
know
it
feels
less
focused
and
I'm
not
like
I.
Think
it's
a
little
more
scattered,
and
so
that
might
be
a
good
goal
is
to
think
about
how
we're
using
these
meanings,
I
think
I'm
a
whole
UX.
You
know
one
of
the
things
we're
pretty
proud
of
it
firmly.
Is
it
the
attention
little,
you
want
little
tiny,
UX
improvements
and
I
wonder.
Sometimes,
if
sometimes
we
get
too
focused
on
like
the
hot
little
thing
that
somebody's
excited
about
it,
not
the
bigger
picture,
I
think
we.
B
We
have
you
reference
the
fact
that
the
logs
message
is
issue
begley
already
and
that's
a
great
issue
where
there's
suddenly
a
lot
of
people
that
have
opinions
about
that.
That's
divided
and
one
of
the
things
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
is
like
how
do
these,
like
my
sense
in
the
community
so
far,
there's
been
that
if
there's
division
that
there's
no
decision
that
there
isn't
a
way
to
resolve
a
lack
of
consensus
and
like
this
particular
issue
right
now,
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
consensus.
A
General
process
here
that
I
don't
think
we've
used
before.
As
far
if
you
have
an
issue
that
reaches
to
stay
on
me,
we
should
escalate
that
to
the
pmc
and
let
them
make
sort
of
an
executive
column
where
we
should
go
with
it.
That
executive
would
call
might
be
do-nothing,
it
might
be
match
Drupal
7,
it
might
be.
A
Do
something
completely
different,
like
maybe
completely
redesign
that
page,
but
I
think
that
if
it
gets
to
a
point
where
we
have
people
in
our
community
who
are
starting
to
get,
you
know
wonk
heads
without
making
any
progress,
we
don't
want
those
people
to
start
feeling
burnout
from
that
process.
Opinion
like
I
can't
get
my
point
across
or
I
can't
convince
anyone
to
see
my
perspective,
because
sometimes
people
just
aren't
gonna
see
the
same
perspective,
and
so
having
that
issue
sort
of
say,
stop
we're
gonna.
Ask
like
this.
Is
the
pmc
close
comments
on
it?
A
Have
the
pmc
meet
reach
a
decision
open
a
new
issue
say
this
is
what
they
decide,
that's
good
and
if
people
still
want
to
come
in
and
state
their
opinions
on
the
new
issue,
that's
fine
and
we
can
leave
that
open
for
future
discussion.
Not
like
we
can
change.
We
can
do
something,
it
doesn't
work.
We
do
something
else,
so
I
think
I
think
just
being
able
to
say
right
now.
We're
gonna
do
this
and
if
it
doesn't
work
we'll
do
that.
A
I
think
this
is
sort
of
a
good
path
forward,
even
if
it
doesn't
make
everybody
happy
immediately
and
if
people
try
the
new
thing
and
they
don't
like
it
that
we're
wrong
we'll
try
something
else.
So
maybe
that's
a
good
issue
where
we
can
do
that.
I
haven't
read
through
that
issue
recently,
but
if
you
see
something
like
that,
maybe
we
should
create
a
label
that
says
something
like
needs:
pmc
review
or
escalade
or
something,
and
then
we
can
figure
out
what
the
process
is
for
that
I.
Don't
think!
A
We've
used
it
before
on
it,
like
especially
design
usability
issue,
which
can
have
lots
of
different
opinions,
but
we
should.
We
should
work
on
that.
So
maybe
that's
something
for
a
good
goal
for
2020
is
to
figure
out,
especially
when
you
have
different
opinions
on
design.
How
do
we
handle
the
you
know?
Kick
it
to
the
kicker
to
someone
who
can
make
an
authoritative
decision,
yeah.
B
A
A
B
Break
that
logjam
and
like
make
people
see
oh
okay
again,
this
is
what
we
do
have
in
common
and
we
can
do
I,
don't
know
if
that's
the
right
process,
because
there
might
be
ten
people
walked
in
the
discussion
and
github
and
then
once
it
comes
to
the
call,
there
might
only
be
four
of
us:
it
sort
of
make
a
decision.
I
think
that's
what
often
happens
and
it
usually,
if
that
does
happen,
I
think
it's
helpful.
Just
throwing
that
out.
A
It's
also
hard
to
because
it
does
sort
of
limit
who
can
participate
in
that
decision
to
geography
based
on
like
where
you
are
in
the
world.
If
you
are
asleep
right
now,
that's
not
gonna
work
and
also
some
people
have
jobs
where
they
can't
get
away
in
the
middle
a
work
day
to
come
in
jump
in
on
it,
and
so
I
wouldn't
want
to
diminish
those
people's
ability
to
weigh
in
on
it.
I
also
feel
like
it
might
be
good
to
just
have
like,
rather
than
continue
with
a
discussion
that
can
get.
A
B
I
was
gonna
say
both
of
those
points
are
accurate.
Last
thing,
I
want
to
say
is
in
terms
of
design,
one
of
the
things
I've
been
very
focused
on
it's
like
the
design
of
the
product
like
backdrop
itself
other
than
the
behind
the
scenes.
It's
pretty
obvious
what
that
means,
but
from
the
front
end,
what
does
that
mean
in
that?
Most
most
people
are
a
lot
of
people
who
are
using
backed
up
are
writing
their
own
themes
and
creating
their
own
designs,
so
design
right
now
means
basis
right.
B
What
is
what
does
background
look
like
out
of
the
box?
I
have
been,
and
we
talked
about
this
in
one
of
the
calls
that
you're
not
that
we
also
wasn't
recorded
a
couple
weeks
ago.
We
talked
a
lot
about
like
what
all
a
non
humor
somebody
who's,
not
actually
letting
CSS
can
do
to
the
product
to
affect
how
it
looks
sort
of
out
of
the
box
through
the
UI
and
I.
Think
one
of
the
big
questions
I
have
overall
I,
don't
know
if
that's
specific
to
this
meeting
is
who
is
its?
To?
B
B
Think
that's
a
big
weakness
right
now,
if
you
don't
have
any
CSS
skills
and
you
just
want
to
kind
of
modify
your
site
and
make
it
look
at
basis
and
we've
been
it's
giving
it
better
and
that's
one
of
the
things
I've
been
trying
to
make
basis
and
also
been
working
on
the
contribute
to
do,
but
sometimes
I
wonder
if
that's
with
that
sort
of
a
shared
goal
in
the
community
or
whether
or
not
there's
kind
of
an
assumption
that
people
are
going
to
create
their
own.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say
yeah.
A
That's
interesting,
I'd
like
to
get
more
people
to
page
on
that,
because
to
me
I
think
it's
really
important
that
it
be
easy
for
somebody
new
to
backdrop
to
get
a
finished
product
and
I.
Think
that's
the
only
way
we're
gonna
get
a
bunch
of
new
adopters
is
if
people
who
know
HTML
and
CSS
can
come
in
and
be
like.
A
Oh
I
made
a
theme,
but
we
are
coming
from
Drupal,
where
it
is
rather
rare
that
Drupal
site
ships
without
like
a
heavily
customized
theme,
and
you
get
a
bunch
of
people
with
very
specialist
skills
in
there
doing
that
and
it
I
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
where
our
audience
it's
like
we're
shooting
for
a
lower
is,
but
that
doesn't
mean
we're
there
yet
and
I.
Don't
it's
also
kind
of
a
chicken
and
egg
thing
we're
like
do?
A
We
need
to
make
it
easier
before
we
get
people
who
want
it
to
be
easier
or
yeah,
so
I
would
love
to
hear
what
other
people
I
have
a
feeling.
Most
of
the
people
were
using
backdrop
now
are
sort
of
in
the
I
came
from
Drupal
and
I
already
know
how
to
do
this
camp.
But
to
me
it's
important
that
we
go
downstream
to
grow
our
audience,
but
I
don't
know
if
that's
where
we
need
to
be
aiming
or
not.
A
C
So
I'm
Jason
I'm
gonna,
look
at
my
laptop
where
my
camera
is
I'm,
not
my
screen,
so
I
won't
be
able
to
see
you
if
you're
waving
at
me,
I'm
not
really
here,
because
I'm
hoping
to
make
big
sweeping
changes
for
designing
UX
for
backdrop,
but
I
am
interested
in
all
of
that
happens.
I
come
from
Drupal
for
I've,
been
like
a
Drupal
user
and
developer
for
16
years
and
I've
been
moving
to
be
more
active
and
backdrop.
C
I've
been
doing
stuff
lightly
for
the
last
couple
of
years,
mostly
because
I'm
just
I've
got
a
lot
on
my
plate
and
so
I
have
a
lot
of
time
just
jumping
in
but
I
see
as
far
as
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
where
to
go
with
this,
but
I
see
there's
being
as
to
size
or
design,
and
that's
like
one
is
like
we're
talking
about
WordPress
where
WordPress
is
they've
got
a
billion
themes
and
everybody
says
well,
if
you
don't
like
it,
just
change
it.
If
a
plug-in
you
use,
doesn't
work
with
it.
C
Just
change
your
theme.
Well,
that
kind
of
is
a
bad
idea.
If
that's
your
branding,
but
that's
where
they
come
from
and
then
on
Drupal
site,
it's
like
you
were
saying
it's
like
just
create
your
own
theme,
customize
everything
you
know,
maybe
maybe
you
start
with
something
out
of
the
box,
but
most
people
start
with
something
like
sin
or
Omega,
or
something
like
that
and
just
create
their
own
thing.
So
I
see
backdrop
has
basically
neither
they
don't
really
have
a
good
user
experience
for
building
your
own.
C
You
know
unless
it's
a
developer
is
very
skilled
like
like
Peter,
can
do
quite
well
with
that
and
there's
other
people
that
can
as
well
but
and
then
the
other
side
is
that
we
really
don't
have
got
a
lot
of
themes.
You
know,
there's
like
10,
contributed
themes
and
I,
don't
think
anyone's
been
updated
in
the
last.
Your
you
know
for
layouts
or
whatever
the
current
stuff
is
so
I
see
backdrop
lacking
in
both
of
those
areas
where
it's
like.
If
we
want
to
get
people
to
come
in,
we
need
to
have
some
of
those.
C
The
other
thing
that
I
would
like
to
see
personally
because
of
my
target.
My
target
is
the
small.
The
Micro
Micro
business
owner,
that's
my
target
audience.
You
know
somebody
who
has
a
business
with
you
know
ten
or
fewer
employees
or
whatever,
so
it's
really
and
and
their
business
isn't
developing
websites
or
businesses,
selling,
widgets
or
whatever
you
know
well
dating
or
fixing
cars
or
a
storefront.
So
they
don't
know
much
if
anything,
usually
about
website
development.
So
them
coming
and
having
to
say
you
here
builds
your
own
theme
is
really
a
bad
idea.
C
C
Yet
so
I
don't
know
I
think
there's
probably
three
areas
there,
but
I'm
really
like
looking
at
how
if
we
want
to
people
adopt
it,
what
do
we
need
in
place
so
that
they
can
and
will
adopt
it?
And
if
we've
got
people
that
say,
oh
well,
you
don't
have
a
billion
theme,
so
I'm
not
gonna
use
it.
Well,
then,
that's
something
we
need
to
work
on,
but
if
it's
the
other
way
the
other
side,
it's
like
I
can't
develop
it.
C
So
I'm
not
gonna
use
it
and
that's
what
we
really
anyway,
that's
kind
of
like
my
thought
process
and
where
my
focuses
are
where
I'm
thinking
but
I'm,
also
not
really
a
developer.
I
mean
a
theme
er
I'm,
not
a
designer
I
could
try
to
develop
you
eyes
that
are
not
terrible.
Like
I
see
most
JavaScript
front-end
look
like,
but
that's
about
as
far
as
I
go
so
anyway,
enough
ranting.
A
D
D
A
Okay,
I
guess
I'll
go
next,
I
am
Jen,
Lampton
I
am
here
because,
though
I
care
about
design
I,
don't
really
understand
it.
My
brain
is
very
logic
driven
and
if
you
can
explain
to
me
that,
like
things
on
the
Left
need
to
be
10
pixels
things
on
the
right,
I
understand
that,
but
beyond
that,
I
can't
really
tell
if
something
is
pretty
or
not.
A
I
do,
however,
care
a
lot
about
usability.
I
spend
time
teaching
people
how
to
use
Drupal
and
watching
where
they
struggled
and
so
I
do
tend
to
be
very
focused
on
a
lot
of
those
little
things
that
tend
to
trip
people
up
and
try
and
fix
want
to
fix
those
the
bigger
picture
that
was
hard
for
me.
Also
in
usability
experience
like
asking,
you
know:
how
does
it
feel
to
use
backdrop
without
a
specific,
like
does
this
button?
Make
more
sense
on
the
left?
A
Great
is
hard
for
me
to
grapple
with,
and
so
I'd
like
to
see
some
more
of
those
kind
of
bigger
picture.
Questions
answered
in
2020
I
think
we've
been
doing
a
pretty
good
job
on
sort
of
a
scratch.
Your
own
itch
find
usability
problem
and
fix
it
thing
and
and
adding
a
ton
of
those
but
I'd
love
to
see
sort
of
a
more
holistic
view
of
like
what
is
it
that
you
find
frustrating
versus.
A
What
is
it
that
you
find
easy,
and
can
we
make
more
of
the
things
easy
than
frustrating
and,
in
particular,
I
would
like
to
see
more
usability
studies
done
where
we
get
a
pool
of
a
certain
number
of
people.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
that
many,
like
maybe
five
to
ten,
something
like
that
and
show
them
a
particular
interface
and
give
them
a
particular
task
and
see
if
they
can
achieve
it
and
and
maybe
even
record
indoor
livestream
those
so
that
we
have
them
on
record
for
the
future.
A
And
if
there
are
a
bunch
of
things
that
trip
up
a
whole
bunch
of
people
like
no,
no
something
fillet
out
seems
really
intuitive
to
us,
but
we
give
it
to
them
and
they
get
confused.
That
might
highlight
some
stuff
that
we're
not
seeing.
It
also
might
help
us
change
our
priorities
in
terms
of
what
we're
working
on,
which
I
think
could
be
useful,
so
that
my
goal
for
2020
would
be
more
studies
Tim.
There
was
something
you
set
up
last
year
with
a
forum
post
or
a
specific
forum
topic.
A
A
So
if
you
could
be
like
hey,
ask
your
neighbor
for
five
minutes:
I,
don't
how
many
neighbors
we
can
find
a
little
do
it,
but
something
like
that
where
we
can
get
a
different
perspective
and
and
have
you
know,
a
good
script
for
how
to
do
that?
That's
you
know
only
going
to
be
five
or
ten
minutes
of
their
time
and
still
gonna
be
really
valuable
for
us.
A
I'm
also
open
to
changing
what
we
do
with
this
meeting.
I
set
up
these
agendas
initially
based
on
like
what
we
used
to
do
in
bad
camp
meetings,
which
was
very
sort
of
loose
and
consensus,
driven
and
I,
don't
have
any
particular
attachment
to
the
way
that
they're
done.
So,
if
we
don't
want
to
use
this
time
for
running
through
a
list
of
issues
and
would
rather
talk
about
I,
don't
know
how
to
do
a
study
or
if
we
need
to
bring
in
an
external
designer
for
half
an
hour
and.
B
A
Show
them
stuff
and
get
their
feedback,
and
we,
you
know,
that's
something
we
could
do
on
a
video
or
a
live
stream,
and
that
might
be
really
interesting.
People
in
our
community
totally
happy
to
do
that.
So
I
do
want
to
reserve
this
time
for
designing
usability,
but
what
we
do
with
that
is
could
be
anything
so
if
anyone
has
any
good
ideas
about
how
we
could
be
better
using
this
time
to
improve
the
user
experience
of
the
backdrop
or
additional
impression.
I
am
all
yours.
B
Well,
I
think
I.
Like
your
comments
about
usability
studies,
the
usability
studies
we
put
up
in
the
forum
right
now
are
sort
of
focused
on
community
tests,
but
they,
my
idea
at
the
time,
was
that
we
could
try
the
same
thing
with
the
actual
product
where
we
just
asked
people
to
sort
of
self
self
test.
It
and
report
back.
I
think
usability
is
something
that
can
be
super
complicated
in
studies
and
ambitious
or
they
can
be.
You
know
fairly
simple
and
we
get
hung
up
on
the
more
complicated
scenarios
like
to
me.
B
The
minimal
I
mean
not
the
very
minimal,
isn't
what
we
did
in
the
form
where
we
just
write
some
tasks
and
ask
people
to
report
back,
but
the
next
step
up
from
that
would
be
if
we
wrote
something
air.
What
we
think
are
the
most
common
and
important
and
that
we
could
invite
a
friend
to
come
in
on
one
of
these
meetings
and
just
record
them
yeah
running
through
that
scenario
and
watch
them.
Try
and
get
you
know
accomplish
the
things
we
did.
It
would
be
recorded,
you
know,
and
we
could
talk
about
it
afterwards.
B
That
would
you
know
that,
doesn't
your
training,
the
scenarios
and
then
finding
the
person
to
do
it,
the
two
big
paths
yeah
and
setting
aside
the
time.
So
we
cannot
that
hard
to
do,
but
it's
we
have
so
many
ideas.
The
things
we'd
like
to
do
that
are
you
know
a
lot
of
them?
Aren't
that
hard.
So
it's
a
matter
of
prioritizing
yeah.
A
The
testing
was
hard.
There
are,
of
course,
a
lot.
You
mentioned,
there's
a
lot
more,
that
we
could
be
doing
any
usability
test,
but
I
think
in
terms
of
just
doing
the
testing
like
starting
with
what
we
have
in
the
forum
is
great
I'm.
Adding
a
five-minute
clip
we
could
do
in
this
meeting
would
be
great
adding
you
know
we
just
need
to
set
aside
some
time
to
be
like
okay.
What
is
the
big
picture
question
we
want
to
ask
and
then
what
is
a
five-minute
task?
A
That
would
answer
whether
that
is
achievable
or
not
with
the
current
interfaces,
so
I
think
that
would
be
great
and
I
think
some
of
these
things
might
be
testing
new
features
like
I
would
love
to
put
more
people
in
front
of
the
layout
builder.
That
was
something
that
really
wowed
everybody
in
a
live
demo
that
I
did
last
year
and
watching
me
do
it.
They
were
like.
A
Oh
that's,
fantastic,
but
I,
sometimes
wonder
if
somebody
who
isn't
familiar
with
it
would
be
able
to
achieve
the
same
thing
as
quickly,
because
that's
one
of
my
favorite
features
and
I
want
to
make
sure
everybody
is
using
it
and
then
layouts
in
general
is
tricky
yeah.
So
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff.
That's
new
to
backdrop
that
I
know
hasn't
been
studied
because
it
wasn't
studied
in
Drupal
that
I
would
love
to
get
in
front
of
people
file
management.
Maybe
since
that's
something
that
was
difficult
in
Drupal,
could
be
something
but
yeah.
A
A
That's
like
these
are
the
things
we'd
like
to
get
feedback
on,
and
anyone
who's
working
on
anything
can
add
something
to
that
list.
They,
oh
you
know.
I'm
doing
this
thing
and
I
want
to
know.
You
know
this
one
was
using
it
and
then
they
can
even
follow
like.
If
we
come
up
with
a
script.
That's
good
people
could
use
that
for
kyndra
bottles
and
stuff
to
really
go.
I
just
thought
this
module
I
want
to
know
if
people
are
using
it
the
way,
I
think
they're
using
it
I.
B
Spitballing
here
things
we
want
to
test,
but
also
sort
of
writing
a
script
right.
It's
like
I
could
implement
a
usability
test
in
an
hour
if
I
had
the
square,
that's
the
hard
part
and
just
having
like
what
needs
to
be
tested.
Isn't
enough?
Well
give
you
the
scenario,
because
it
has
to
make
psychological
for
question
yeah.
B
You
can't
just
test
something
if
you
have
to
get
by
five
other
things,
unless
you
know
sort
of
staged
yourself,
sometimes,
which
is
one
option
right
if
you
wanted,
if
you
want
to
test
something,
but
it
requires
a
five
things
to
be
implemented.
First.
Is
that
you
just
reemployment
those
because
you
don't
want
to
focus
on
that
now
anyway?
So
my
point
is
that
that's
our
beginning,
it's
script
together,
probably
the
biggest
whopper
and
I.
Would
you
know
one
person
could
sit
down
and
tackle
that
themselves?
B
I
would
volunteer,
but
I
probably
would
do
it
I
would,
however,
if
if
we
either
set
aside
a
meeting
like
to
do
that
or
if
somebody
else
said
they
wanted
to
be
honest,
I'm
committee,
kids,
not
separately
like
two
or
three
of
us,
and
just
like
hammering
out
some
scripts
that
would
force
me
to
set
aside
the
time
plus
I
would
be
valuable.
Having
somebody
else
is
important.
I.
A
Think
I
have
some
of
the
old
scripts
from
the
drupal
usability
studies
that
might
be
a
good
starting
and
ending
tool,
but
figuring
out
the
scenario
you're
right
is
gonna
be
the
hardest
part
like
okay,
here's
the
thing
we
want
to
test.
What
do
we
want
to
have
them
do
and
then
everything
in
the
middle
of
that
script
would
change
based
on
what
the
task
is
obviously
but
yeah
I
think
that
would
be
great
too
I
want
to
also
like
to
devote
one
of
these
meetings
to
doing
that.
A
I
think
that
it's
the
kind
of
thing
that
I
also
feel
inclined
to
volunteer
for,
but
also
worried
that
it
wouldn't
get
done
if
I
did.
But
if
we
had
dedicated
time
like
maybe
the
next
design
usability
meeting
where
you
know
between
now,
and
then
we
create
an
issue,
we
come
up
with
four
things
with
one
test.
A
You
know
we
decide
on
which
one
it
is
and
then
during
the
meeting,
we're
like
okay,
this
is
the
one
we're
gonna
test:
let's
write
a
script
and
if
we
can
get
that
done,
we
can
even
put
this
script
in
before
him
and
I'm
gonna
have
people
I,
try
I,
try
it
there
or
have
anyone
in
the
form
of
they
want
to
try
and
do
a
study
with
a
friend
or
neighbor
yeah.
That's.
B
A
great
if
we
had
the
script
right,
people
could
do
it
on
their
own
and
report
back
or
like
I.
Could,
just
you
know,
call
somebody
up
get
him
on
a
zoom
call
and
record
it,
and
you
know
a
couple
of
us:
each
did
that
with
one
person
you
know
five
or
six
examples
to
work
with
and
that's
all
it
takes.
I
had
the
fortune
good
fortune
of
participating
in
one
of
the
high
level.
B
They
were
they
weren't
actually
focused
on
the
product.
They
were
focused
on,
like
I
call
them
community
usability
tests,
so
it
was
like
it
was
like
you're
curious
about
the
security
policies
of
that
CMS.
You
know,
can
you
find
guys,
but
but
the
same
thing
could
be
done
with
the
product,
especially
because
we've
met
tugboat
right,
so
we
could
create
some
short
tests,
like
that
and
say:
go
to
tugboat
spin
up
the
site
and
do
X
that
poor
request.
B
There's
a
problem
with
that
model
is
that
we
need
like
nobody's
done,
but
the
ones
that
I
set
up
it,
sort
of
just
putting
them
out
there
and
just
sort
of
casually
hoping
people
do
it.
It's
not
probably
gonna
work
we'd
have
to
really
work
hard,
and
so,
like
you
know,
we
could
be
usability
testing
frequently
on
new
features
right,
but
it's
it's
the
effort
of
getting
people
to
do
them.
A
I
was
also
thinking,
like
you
know,
as
we
start
doing
this
more,
we
might
get
more
people
participating,
but
if
there
was
someone
we
could
incentivize
people
to
do
it
like
you
know,
if
we
can
get
five
people,
do
this
well
raffle
off
a
stuffed
dragon.
What
people
want
phpstorm
license,
I,
don't
know
a
few.
A
B
A
Yeah
any
good
I
think
we
should
maybe
do
a
little
one.
First,
with
lik
random
people
we
recruit
and
make
sure
we
know
what
we're
doing
and
if
we
get
the
process
down
and
love
it
I've
liked
the
idea
of
and
sanitizing
with
a
tweezer
twee
shirt,
a
tweet
that
there's
a
t-shirt.
That
is
a
tweet
shirt,
yeah
I
think
that's
great,
and
maybe
we
should
put
that
down
as
a
goal
for
2020
to
get
there.
The
point
where
we
can
do
that.
B
Well
so
you
mentioned
putting
this
on
the
agenda
for
this
meeting
in
the
future
in
terms
of
planning.
Are
there
other
topics
like
that?
I
mean
I?
Think
it's
I
think
the
agenda
that
we're
doing
it's
useful
once
in
a
while,
but
it's
also
useful
to
like
set
aside
a
meeting
and
I
think
you
know
every
meaning
could
have
the
little.
What
are
the
hot
topics
in
the
issue?
Queue
some
people
even
talk
about,
but
we
just
wouldn't
have
to
go
through
them
all
every
time.
B
A
What
do
you
think
its
problems
and
just
kind
of
knock
out
a
bunch
of
stuff,
because
I
know
designers
don't
tend
to
hang
out
in
the
issue
queue
very
often,
and
so
posting
issues
with
labels
they're
asking
for
help,
doesn't
really
work,
or
at
least
works
very
slowly
when
it
does
work
and
I
think
that
if
we
could
queue
up
a
lot
of
stuff
where
we
needed
assistance
and
then
get
them
get
their
attention
for
an
hour.
That
might
be
really
useful.
It
might
also
be
useful
too.
A
Do
designer
usability
study,
it
wouldn't
really
be
useful.
You
ever
to
study
we're
like
hey
you're,
a
designer.
This
is
backdrop.
What
do
you
think
and
have
somebody
who
hasn't
seen
my
trip
before
look
at
it
through
those
lens
lenses
where
they're
like,
oh
hey,
I
can
I?
Can
you
know
I
see
the
power
of
this
I
could
totally
design
a
thing
for
this,
and
if
it
seems
like
a
tool
that
they'd
be
interested
in
using
or
if
there's
something
that
initially
puts
them
off,
we
could
figure
out
what
that
is.
I,
don't
know.
A
It's
also
tough,
because
in
Drupal
there's
this
division
of
like
the
person
who
makes
the
design
and
the
person
who
makes
the
theme
and
the
person
who
makes
the
backend
stuff
and
I
feel
like
in
the
rest
of
the
world.
Those
lines
aren't
so
clear.
So
there
are
people
who
call
themselves
web
designers
who
also
build
WordPress
sites
and
so
they're
pretty
dove
heavy
and
they're
people
call
themselves
developers
that
also
dabble
in
design
and
so
I.
A
Don't
know
like
I
feel,
like
that's
kind
of
more
of
where
our
audiences
then
the
thing
where
there's
like
a
dedicated
job
of
just
making
themes,
an
agency
that
does
that
sort
of
thing
we're
just
designing
themes.
What
have
you
but
yeah
I,
don't
know,
maybe
maybe
that
would
be
a
thing
to
is
to
like
reach
out
or
network
so
people
we
know
and
say:
hey
who
do
you
know
that's
a
web
designer
that
doesn't
already
work
with
this
and
let's
get
you
know,
an
interview
who
are
you?
What
do
you
do?
A
What
are
your
skills?
Would
you
use
this
tool
and
try
and
figure
out
if
we're
hitting
their
needs
or
not
so
sure,.
B
I
mean
to
me
was
happiest
how
that
would
work
with
like
backdrop
of
work
at
the
forum,
but
again
I'm
still
a
little
bit
I'm
sure
to
show
the
backdrop
the
product
to
a
designer
and
say
what
do
you
think
I,
don't
even
know
what
that
means.
If
our
expectation
is
that
everybody's
gonna
change
it
anyways
yeah.
A
A
Necessarily
designed
what
does
it
like
out
of
the
box
but
like
as
a
designer?
Does
this
look
like
a
product
you
could
use
to
give
to
your
clients
so
be
more
like
an
adoption
interview
than
like
I?
Is
it
pretty
enough
interview
so
be
like
okay,
here's
a
tool?
Would
you
use
it,
and
so
what
does
the
designer
look
at
with
the
tool
they're
evaluating,
which
might
be
very
different
from
like
what
does
the
API
look
like
or
what
is
the
front?
End
theme
look
like
or
can
I
change
it
to
a
theme?
A
B
You
I
mean
if
the
WordPress
example
games
like
where
a
lot
of
people
consider
themselves
website
designers
or
they
build
you
know
for
their
clients,
they
build
a
wordpress
site
for
them
right.
So
to
take
that
model
like
it
would
be
really
interesting
to
do.
Somebody
like
that
with
that
skill
set
and
give
them
a
usability
test,
which
is
try
and
build
a
site
like
to
you
within
WordPress,
give
them
a
very
simple
scenario.
B
A
A
B
I
have
this
goal
okay,
I'm
being
told
my
internet
connection
is
instant,
so
I
have
this
goal
that
somebody
should
be
able
to
use
like,
say
a
designer
download
bad
drop
out
of
the
box
and
configure
it,
maybe
with
the
contribs
II
it
doesn't
have
to
be
bases,
but
with
nothing
more
than
a
thought.
I've
been
available
to
conceive
ideally
bases
a
lot
of
the
modern
websites
right.
Have
these
big
blocks
so
there's
a
hero,
image,
there's
a
block
with
three.
C
A
C
Think
I
have
a
similar
goal,
as
he
does
a
stated
goal
to
said,
I
would
like
it
to
be
easier
to
your
and
desire
and
out
of
the
box,
but
I
happen
to
be
a
coder
with
or
without
a
contributing
more
more
things
that
lets.
One
of
those
like
Joseph,
been
doing
the
work
on
the
color
module
so
much
Pinker
that
don't
like
just
broken.
C
A
I
think
I'd
like
to
see
that
too
I
infer
me
as
a
developer
that
well
where's.
All
hats
I
would
like
it
to
get
farther
before
I
need
to
get
into
the
code
and
I
think
that's
the
same
kind
of
answer
where
it's
like.
If
somebody
can
get
far
enough
or
they're
like
oh
that's,
close
enough,
that's
great
and
for
me
I'm
like
oh,
it's
really
close.
If
only
I
could
change
these
three
things
and
yeah
and
I.
Think
that's
also
if
you
can
get
somebody
at
that
point,
then
they're
like
oh!
A
A
A
A
D
A
For
you,
you
could
say
no,
tonight's,
not
a
user,
what
I
heard
and
then
or
you
could
say
other
and
then
it
lets
you
type
whatever
you
want
into
that
box
and
I
think
that
would
sort
of
help
people
train
them
that,
like
this
crazy
node
percent
thing
matches
to
a
node
template
or
content
or
whatever
we
want
to
call
it
in
the
interface
so
yeah,
it's
something
that
every
time
I
do
a
training
on
it.
I'm
like
you're,
never
gonna,
remember
what
to
put
in
this
box.
D
A
Interesting
I,
like
that,
can
you
put
some
screenshots
of
a
boilerplate
dozen
to
an
issue.