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From YouTube: Backdrop Outreach - 2021/03/18
Description
In this meeting we talk a bit about Backdrop LIVE. How it went and plans for the future.
A
Making
noise
there
we
go
now
we
got
that
taken
care
of
welcome
everybody.
We
are
now
streaming
live.
If
you
don't
want
to
be
recorded,
feel
free
to
mute
or
block
your
camera.
We
are
streaming
live
on
youtube
now.
This
is
our
outreach
meeting
this
week
and
we
just
came
off
of
a
heavy
weekend
of
backdrop,
live
a
lot
of
activity,
so
I
will
probably
be
talking
a
bit
about
that.
But,
let's
just
start
with
our
regular
introductions.
A
I
am
tim
erickson
saint
paul
tim,
I'm
in
deerwood,
minnesota
and
in
terms
of
just
other
miscellaneous
stuff,
I'm
just
recovering
from
backdrop,
live
and
trying
to
get
caught
up
on
my
work,
so
sarvashri.
B
I'm
sir
sarvishri,
I
say
it
and
I
am
working
on
the
ultimate
beginner's
guide
to
backdrop,
because
I'm
pretty
much
a
beginner
and
figure.
If
I
can
write
something
I'll,
probably
understand
it
enough
to
to
be
successful
with
backdrop
and
help
other
people
in
the
same
situation,
I'm
in
north
carolina
a
little
town
called
walnut
cove.
A
A
D
A
Muting
myself
doesn't
help
okay.
So
what
we
talked
about
right
before
the
meeting
was:
let's
go
through
some
of
our
regular
agenda
items
quickly
and
then
maybe
talk
about
backdrop
live,
and
there
was
certainly
discussion
about
outreach
there.
A
A
On
our
normal
agenda,
we
talked
about
the
various
accounts
with
which
we
do
outreach
and
just
an
opportunity
to
check
in
on
content.
For
those
things,
I
think
we're
actually
in
pretty
good
shape
in
terms
of
outreach
activity.
Certainly,
backdrop
live
forced
that
a
bit
in
that
we've
gotten
newsletters
out
in
the
last.
You
know,
we've
had
three
newsletters
in
the
last
two
months.
A
Our
blog
has
actually
been
fairly
active
with
some
great
contributions.
Most
recently,
peter
peter
gave
us
a
nice
post
on
what
it's
like
to
be
a
core
committer.
A
There
were
some
other
posts
around
backdrop,
oh
and
even
more
recently,
the
the
domain
name
announcement
that
was
posted,
I
think
just
yesterday,
so
our
blog
is
plenty
active
right
at
the
moment,
however,
that
doesn't
mean
we
want
to
let
our
guard
down
it'd
be
nice
to
keep.
I
think
our
goal
is.
It
has
been
in
the
past
like
to
try
and
get
something
weekly,
and
so
let's
we
should
be
thinking
about
next
week.
A
Again,
the
newsletter
we've
had
a
couple
of
newsletters
go
out.
The
next
one
would
be
scheduled
for
right
at
the
end
of
the
month.
I
think
peter
was
shooting
for
the
the
last
week
of
the
month.
The
last
one
came
out
just
at
the
beginning
of
this
month,
so
right
around
there
event
stuff.
A
A
The
big
thing
is
dashboard
notifications
right
now,
I
could
use
some
help
on
that.
If
we
could
take
a
minute
and
think
about
what
we
could
be
putting
on
the
dashboard,
because
we've
had
virtual
user
groups
and
backdrop
live
to
announce
that
kind
of
stuff
right
now,
we've
got
some
fairly
old.
The
the
messages
that
are
showing
up
are
like
the
release
of
1.18,
which
is
pretty
old
news,
and
I
put
up
a
link
to
the
to
to
peter's
blog
post,
partly
just
because
I
needed
something.
A
A
You
know:
well,
I
think
you
have
to
I
think
for
for
ongoing
use.
You
have
to
get
it
through
a
service
that
uses
it,
but
one
of
I
didn't
realize
this,
but
gregory
has
promoted
it
is
that
they
do
have
a
demo
thing
just
like
ours
so
and-
and
I
think
gregory
added
that
to
our
page.
A
C
Okay,
in
terms
of
things
that
go
on
the
dashboard,
what
I
think
will
be
best
is
something
that
is
actually
useful
to
the
person
who's.
Reading
it-
and
I
feel,
like
just
saying
like
subtaculous,
has
support
for
backdrop.
Doesn't
really
do
any
good
because
they
aren't
going
to
know
what
subtacular
says
and
they
aren't
going
to
know
why
they
should
care.
C
But
if
we
have
like
try
a
demo
or
something
that
goes
to
the
soft
iqs
website,
and
they
can
actually
do
something
with
it,
then
that's
good
or,
if
I
don't
know,
you're
running
backdrop
on
a
demo
site
like
somewhere
on
our
one
of
our
sandboxes,
and
it
said
like
get
hosting
for
backdrop
and
we
actually
sent
them
to
a
place
where
they
don't
need
to
know
what
softaculous
is,
but
it
gives
them
the
answer
to
that
question.
How
do
I
host
my
backdrop
site?
C
B
D
So
this
is
for
the
dashboard
that
shows
up
when
you
already
have
a
backdrop
site
right.
So
so,
when
you're
logged
into
your
own
backdrop,
site
you'll
see
it
yeah,
I
mean
that
kind
of
announcement
sounds
definitely
good
in
term
like
to
make
in
general
in
terms
of
the
the
dashboard.
Maybe
I
mean
it
can't
hurt
that
much
to
have
it
there
in
general.
I
wonder
it'll
be
interesting
to
see
who
we're
reaching
with
the
dashboard.
D
I
know
there's
a
dash
or
with
the
dashboard
like
news
feed
about
backdrop,
there's
one
of
those
is
civ
crm
and
it
tends
to
either
confuse
users
or
we
turn
it
off
for
most
users
because
they're
like
what
is
this
stuff
in
my
website,
I
don't
know
what
this
is.
Where
is
it
coming
from?
I
wonder
what
we'll
see
with
that
for
new
for
backdrop,
installs
that
have
the
piano
like
who
will
pay
attention
to
it?
Who
will
use
it
like
whether
it's
mostly
site
builders
developers
it'll
be
interesting?
D
D
B
B
You
can
actually
put
up
the
site
that
way,
and
that
saves
the
ftp
and
all
that
kind
of
difficulty
for
for
new
users
and
beginners
that
don't
know
how
to
get
all
the
ingredients
of
the
cms
onto
some
host.
You
know
that
held
me
back
for
about
six
months.
One
time
I
didn't
know
how
to
do
all
ftp
and
how
to
transfer
a
database
file
and
set
up
a
database
file
and
all
that
stuff
was
very
messy
this.
This
makes
it
really
attractive
for
people
to
look
at
backdrop
as
a
as
an
alternative
for
their.
A
I
think
we
will
do
something
on
the
dashboard
on
subtaculous
so
but
but
jen,
I
your
points
are
absolutely
right.
We
need
to
contextualize
it
make
it
useful.
I
don't
think
it's
the
best
kind
of
content,
but
to
to
jack's
point
I
I
agree.
I
would
love
to
know
you,
and
I've
mentioned
this
several
times
that
we've
had
this
out
for
like
a
year
and
a
half
now
and
I'm
not
getting
any
feedback
that
it's
it's
really
that
useful
jen.
A
I
think
you've
mentioned
that
you've
heard
a
few
comments
but,
like
I
haven't,
had
any
and
even
anecdotal,
so
I
mean
it
might,
it
would
be
nice
to
figure
out
some
way
to
evaluate
if
it's
even
worth
spending
time
on
this
are
people
using
it
at
all,
and
I
was
in
my
head
pondering
jack
exactly
what
you
said
is.
Should
we
just
put
a
note
up
say:
hey,
are
you
reading
this?
If
you
are,
let
us
know,
but
that
seems
tacky,
but
it
might
work.
A
So
I
don't
know
if
anybody
has
any
ideas
how
to
evaluate
this
it
you
know
the
thing
is,
it
does
require
some
work
and
its
effectiveness
also
is
going
to
be
diminished
if
we're
not
working
on
it
right.
If
we
don't
have
useful
information
there,
people
will
learn
to
tune
it
out
and
then
it
becomes
pointless.
So
it's
kind
of
like
do.
We
want
to
continue
making
an
effort
to
have
content
there
if
nobody's
using
it
anyways,
and
if
we
don't
have
content
there,
then
we
it's
a
self-fulfilling
prophecy.
It
will
be
useless.
C
One
thing
that
we
could
do
to
figure
out
where
people
are
coming
from
is
check
like
the
links
in
there
and
check
the
referrers
to
see
if
we're
getting
a
bunch
of
people
coming
from
inside
their
own
backdrop
sites
or
not.
So
we
could
tell
if
it's
coming
from
like
admin
dashboard
on
the
on
those
landing
pages.
So
I
think,
if
we
did
dug
into
the
analytics
reports
on
the
destination
of
those
links,
we
might
be
able
to
get
a
little
bit
more
information
on
that.
A
A
Right
well
right,
if
nobody
replied,
that
would
be
meaningful.
If
people
did
reply
less
meaningful,
because
we
don't
know
how
many,
but
well,
unless
50
replied
for
t-shirts,
that
would
we
only
had
three
well.
If
anybody
has
I
mean
it,
I
suppose
one
thing
we
could
do
would
be
to
to
to
sort
of
analytics-wise
john.
A
I
mean
there's
probably
multiple
ways
of
doing
it
and
you
had
one,
but
one
would
be
to
create
sort
of
an
article
or
announcement
that
sort
of
targeted
it
at
just
at
the
dashboard
and
then
see
if
you
know
if
the
word
gets
out
or
if
anybody
replies
to
that
message.
A
C
Was
thinking
that
too,
it
might
be
good
to
just
to
have
a
backdrop
on
softaculous
blog
post
anyway,
that's
a
could
sort
of
cover,
all
of
those
bases
of
like
here's,
how
you
can
use
it
and
here's
how
you
can
demo
it,
and
you
know,
ask
your
hosting
provider,
like
all
of
the
kind
of
more
information
that
we
can't
fit
into
a
dashboard
blurb
and
then
just
send
people
there.
C
A
A
A
I
think
the
kinds
of
things
to
me
that
are
oh,
there
was
a
little
echo
there.
Okay
sounded
like
me,
but
how
I
welcome
neil
we're
we're
talking
just
right
now,
a
little
bit
about
our
dashboard
notifications
on
backdrop,
but
is
there
any?
So
those
are
all
the
general
topics
of
the
kinds
of
things
that
would
work.
Well,
we
did
put
the
survey
on
the
dashboard
and
if
we
do
it
again,
I
think
we
will
definitely
again.
A
Is
there
anything
like
that
going
on
that,
I'm
missing
right
now.
I
guess
not.
I
don't
want
to
belabor
this,
but
please
for
a
couple
of
weeks
there
it's
like
we
had
a
flurry
of
things
to
put
on
the
dashboard
and
it
was
really
nice
and
now
I'm
liking
a
bit
of
a
long.
So.
A
I
think
social
media
wise
we've
had
also
certainly
on
twitter
plenty.
Our
facebook
feed
had
some
activity
during
backdrop
live
not
as
much
as
we'd
like
if
we
have
anybody
that
is
able
to
and
wants
to
help
us
with
our
face,
keep
our
inactive
facebook
presence.
That
would
be
great.
A
A
I
don't
know
I
think,
in
terms
of
skin
skimming
through
the
rest
of
our
agenda.
I
don't
know
that.
There's
anything
that
I
expect
it's
urgent
enough
to
to
to
worry
about
right
now,
I'd
rather
move
on
to
either
backdrop
live
and
or
we
could
follow
up
on
sarvashri's
point
as
well.
Why
don't?
We
start
with
backdrop
live
though,
and
just
do
a
little
bit
of
a
debrief.
A
I
think
our
biggest
decision,
in
my
view,
coming
out
of
backdrop
live,
is
the
next
backdrop
live
we
have
it
tentatively
scheduled.
We
got
a
little
bit
of
feedback
that
you
know
mid-july,
which
is
when
we
tentatively
have.
I
think
I
think
the
tentative
date
we
have
is
july
10th
if
I
recall
a
little
bit
of
feedback
that
that
might
not
be
the
best
time
and-
and
I
mean
for
sure
I
can
hear
I'm
sure
there
are
arguments
against
it.
A
You've
mentioned
a
few
takeaways
already,
so
that's
this
morning,
so
clearly
it
was
helpful
to
you.
I
I
thought
it
went
pretty
well.
C
I
think
oh,
do
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
check
you
go
and
then
I'll
go
all
right.
As
I
say,
I
also
thought
it
would
go.
Well,
I
think
for
the
next
one.
C
The
one
thing
that
I
would
like
to
see
us
do
better
is
get
registration
open
sooner,
because
I
think
the
reason
that
our
turnout
was
lower
is
that
we
just
didn't
have
as
much
time
for
people
to
plan
for
it,
and
so
my
preference
would
be
to
pick
a
date
now
and
stick
to
it
and
say
even
if
you
can't
make
the
one
in
june,
there's
going
to
be
one
in
the
fall
and
sort
of
let
people
plan
around
a
date
and
start
moving
forward
like
setting
up
the
registration
now
and
having
it
enable
at
x
time-
and
we
can
even
say
now-
registration
will
be
open
on
next
date
and
just
have
a
little
bit
more
forethought.
C
Now
that
we
have
a
system
that
we
can
reuse,
I
think
it'll
be
easier
to
do
that
going
forward
so
a
little
a
little
less
crazy
scamper.
Oh
my
gosh
it's
in
a
month,
which
is
what
we've
done
twice
now
so
yeah
getting
it
going,
for
it
would
be
good.
That's.
B
D
Yeah,
so
I
was
not
around
for
the
first
backdrop
live,
and
I
think
it's
a,
I
think
it's
a
very
cool
event.
I
wonder
how
often
we
should
have
it
because
part
of
like
how
frequent
it
should
be.
Basically,
it
seems
like
at
the
first
one
there
were
like
60
or
so
registrants,
or,
I
think
that's
the
number
I
saw,
and
then
we
got
almost
even
it
dropped
down
to
half
for
the
next
one.
D
I
also
saw
the
huge
amount
of
labor
it
took
mostly
from
tim
frankly,
but
I
know
from
other
folks
too,
like
on
the
technical
side
for
the
event
site
and
things
like
that,
so
and
and
yet
like
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks,
we
were
still
struggling
to
get
sessions
like
the
slots
filled
in
for
presenters
or
discussions,
or
things
like
that.
D
So,
given
all
of
that,
like,
I
wonder,
I
wonder
just
about
how
frequent
the
the
backdrop
live
event
should
be
versus
other,
more
casual
things
that
provide
similar
spaces
like,
I
think
the
virtual,
the
user
group
can
provide
a
space
for
people
to
like
connect
and
discuss,
and
things
like
that
with
a
lot
less
labor
that
goes
into
it
and
then
like
ahead
of
time,
so
is
it?
Was
it
planned
to
be
like
a
quarterly
thing
or
how
frequent
like?
What's
the
schedule
for
backdrop,
live.
A
We
so
we
did
the
first
one
just
as
a
test
and
in
the
in
the
debrief,
as
we
were
talking
about
it,
it
went
really
well
and
we
said
well,
when
do
we
want
to
do
it
next,
and
the
idea
that
was
thrown
out
was
release
on
the
release
cycle
so
three
times
a
year-
and
this
was
obviously
the
first
one
following
that,
but
that
is
the
current
working
assumption.
We
scheduled
two
of
them
out.
A
A
I
have
other
thoughts
along
that
last
year
in
the
fall,
the
group
in
philly
did
that
open
source
cms
event,
and
I
could
see
that
was
that
they
did
online
because
of
covid,
and
I
don't
know
if
they
plan
to
redo
it
as
an
open
source
cms
or
if
they
plan
to
redo
it
virtually.
A
But
that
would
be
a
more
maybe
even
a
better
mesh
or
sort
of
collaboration
with
backdrop
live
than
bad
camp,
because
bad
camp
is
a
physical
space
and
backdrop
live.
Isn't
so
that's
a
hard.
I
mean
I'm
open
to
that
anyways
jack.
So
the
idea
was
three
times
a
year,
we're,
I
think,
still
figuring
that
out,
but
jen
you.
I
think
you
were
a
strong
proponent
of
that.
Do
you
want
to
say
a
little
bit
about
why
you
thought
three
times
a
year
was
good.
C
Yeah
I
mean
so,
I
thought
the
reason
we
had
such
a
big
turnout
at
the
first
one
was
because
we
had
never
done
anything
before,
but
we
are
still
sort
of
figuring
out
how
to
do
it,
and
I
think
the
reason
this
scheduling
was
so
hard.
This
time
is
because
people
still
thought
they
needed
to
have
presentations,
and
I
think
that
the
more
we
do
this,
the
more
people,
will
become
familiar
with
the
format
and
it'll
be
like.
C
You
know
a
sort
of
an
administrative
role
going
forward
and
I
think
the
combination
of
like
people,
understanding
how
backdrop
live
works
and
people
being
able
to
self
schedule
will
mean
that
we
won't
have
to
prod
people
so
hard
to
get
content
and
that
they'll
be
able
to
schedule
themselves
in
the
future
and
hopefully
having
this
one
system
that
we
can
reuse.
Every
time
will
also
mean
less
work
from
technical
side
going
forward.
C
So
I
think,
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
burden
on
organizers,
that's
going
to
only
decrease
over
time,
and
I
think
that
having
it
three
times
a
year
was
exciting
for
us,
because
it
overlapped
with
a
release
cycle,
so
it
was
it'll,
be
like
okay.
Well,
you
know
january
will
be
focused
on
our
release.
C
Like
february
off
march,
we're
going
to
have
focused
on
backdrop,
live
you
know,
april
off
may
focused
on
release
and
that
sort
of
gave
us
enough
time
to
have
that
like
enthusiasm
arc
where
the
backdrop
live,
could
fill
in
the
sort
of
down
spots
between
releases,
so
we
wouldn't
be
trying
to
do
everything
all
at
once
and
would
sort
of
keep
momentum
up.
I
also
really
like
three
times
the
year
because
it
allows
people
to
say
I
know
I'm
not
going
to
be
available
in
july.
C
It's
okay
to
miss
that
one,
I'm
gonna
attend
in
august
and
it
would
sort
of
keep
everybody
available
to
participate.
C
C
Two
years
before
you
can
be
involved,
and
I
was
hoping
that
having
a
lower
work
event
would
make
it
easier
for
us
to
have
it
more
often
and
it
would
be
sort
of
more
of
a
casual
thing
than
like
a
drupalcon
in
person
thing
and
if
we
ever
decide
to
do
a
backdrop
con
in
person
thing
that
would
definitely
only
be
once
a
year,
but
hopefully
this
will
be
easier
for
us
to
manage
than
that
going
forward.
So
more
of
a
like
community
building
casual
thing
than
like
a
official
normal
text
conference
thing.
A
Yeah,
I
I
want
to
make
clear
too
that
when
this
was
planned,
the
intention
was
to
keep
it
informal
and
to
not
have
you
know
to
not
overdo
it
work-wise
and
a
lot
of
the
work
that
I've
been
putting
into
it.
That
people
are
seeing
is
me
just
getting
enthusiastic
and
jumping
out
and
doing
things
that
people
didn't
necessarily
ask
me
to
do
so.
It
isn't
like
the
intention
was
for
it
to
be
so
much
work.
A
On
the
other
hand,
I
I
worry
a
little
bit
about
you
know
if
we
didn't
put
that
work
into
it.
On
the
other
hand,
but
I
agree
with
jeff
that
it's
getting
easier,
we
had
this
time.
We
we
we
sort
of
rebuilt
a
lot
of
things
that,
from
the
first
time
that
we
won't
have
to
hopefully
well
we're
still
going
to
be
putting
a
lot
of
work
into
it.
But
a
lot
of
that
work
is
is
not
just
on
back.
It's
a
sustainable
thing.
A
It's
not
like
we're
gonna,
we'll,
probably
have
to
do
quite
a
bit
of
work
on
the
website
for
the
next
event,
but
that
work
isn't
just
about
that.
Next
event.
It's
about
all
of
our
events,
because
the
tools
we're
building
are
just
you
know,
will
be
used
for
virtual
user
groups
tonight
and
other
things
so
that
yeah
yeah
so.
F
Yeah
so
kind
of
two
things,
I
think,
probably
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
had
lower
attendance
this
time
was
just
because
it
was
a
lot
closer
to
the
event
when
we
actually
were
able
to
announce
things.
So
we
have
less
build
up
time
and
then
a
suggestion.
I
think
if
we
had
some
way
to
like
let
people
say
this
is
a
discussion
or
this
is
like
a
presentation
that
might
be
a
more
explicit
way
of
saying:
hey
we're,
okay,
with
just
having
discussions.
C
Yeah,
it's
it's
built
into
the
website.
We
just
didn't.
Have
the
like
self
like
create
a
node
part
going
this
time,
but
it
was
intended
to
be
a
little
bit
clearer
that
like
when
you
register
you
can
upload
your
presentation
right
now
or
you
can
have
a
discussion
during
the
event,
and
we
can
definitely
do
more
around
that
phrasing
in
the
future,
especially
when
we
get
to
that
page
and
you
have
to
decide
what
kind
of
event
you're
going
to
do.
But
we
just
didn't
turn
that
on
this
time,
okay,.
A
F
F
D
Yeah
word,
thank
you
so
much
y'all
for
like
kind
of
explaining
the
origins
and
the
like
feeling
behind
it.
So
I'm
like
I'm
sold
that
like
okay,
like
it
seems
like
three
times
a
year,
more
casual
thing.
That
seems
good.
I
think
that
the
things
tim
all
the
work
that
you
took
upon
yourself,
I
think,
was
really
necessary.
You
know
like
it
made
the
event
much
better
than
it
or
it
made
it.
D
It
made
the
event
I
feel,
like
you
know,
so,
like
things
like
organizing
a
help
desk
like
things
like
that,
you
know
trying
to
get
volunteers,
etc.
So
you
know
thank
you
for
doing
it,
and
I
think
I
wouldn't
undervalue
it.
You
know.
I
don't
think
that
I
feel
like
we
as
as
a
community,
we're
not
the
best
at
project
management
like
or
like
planning
ahead
for
stuff,
like
the
fact
that
we're
only
having
our
a
third
pmc
meeting
now
like
ever.
You
know,
I
think,
coming
up
things
like
that.
D
So
like,
I
think
that,
if
we're
gonna
do
this
event,
even
if
it's
pretty
casual
like
identifying,
you
know
who's
gonna
work
on
this
like
having
that
be
multiple
people
who
like
have
it
as
their
responsibility,
specifically
to
make
sure
this
event
goes
well
figuring
out
how
much
work
does
need
to
go
into
it.
You
know
not
making
it
more
complex
than
it
needs
to
be,
because
it
sounds
good
like
to
have
it
as
a
casual
thing,
but
identifying
this
stuff
like
we
need
a
help
desk.
D
We
need
someone
to
recruit,
help
desk
volunteers.
You
know
we
need
xyz,
other
things
set
up.
I
I'm
down
to
do
it
and
I'd
like
to
see
us
be
more
just
more
mindful
about
like
planning
ahead
for
the
event
announcing
it
way
ahead
of
time.
You
know
like
if
it's
going
to
be
three
times
a
year,
it
should
basically
be
announced
at
the
very
end
of
the
backdrop,
live
and
like
start
planning,
then
so
it's
gonna
be
like
an
all
all
year
kind
of
thing.
D
If
we
make
it
something
relatively
chill
and
casual
that
can
that
can
be
done,
but
as
long
as
we
have
the
capacity
to
do
it
so
like
another
thing,
with
capacity
is
like
at
this
point
in
community,
so
many
people
who
are
trying
to
do
events
are
also
trying
to
are
also
on
pmc
and
are
also
like
doing
development
and
everything
so
just
caution
about
spreading
ourselves
too
thin.
D
My
last
thing
I
know
I
have
a
bunch
of
stuff
but
system
wise
when
morgan
palante
signed
up
for
back
for
backdrop,
live.
She
felt
very
inspired
to
get
back
on
the
civic
crm
thing
for
actually
getting
civvy
set
up
for
a
backdrop
community.
D
I
would
if
we
morgan
has
so
much
work
on
her
plate
right
now
that
she's,
like
he's
trying
to
get
back
to
it.
I
would
love
to
see
us
get
that
set
up
so
that
we
have
a
bit
easier
registration
donation
process
and
a
history
of
who
has
come
to
events
and
an
ability
to
get
in
touch
with
them
again,
etc.
So
if
we
could
somehow
come
together
and
like
figure
out
how
to
support
morgan,
how
to
get
more
folks
on
it
to
get
civvy
up
and
running,
buy
the
next
one
that'll
be
great.
E
Have
anything
to
add
unusual
to
me
to
hear
that
about
myself
yeah,
I
have
some
notes,
so
I
you
know,
I
just
want
to
name
that
you
know
I
have
a
very
specific
kind
of
niche
and
relationship
with
jen
and
nate
and
backdrop
and
jack
and
tim
you
and
you
were
in
my
world
and
sarvarsi
and
jason
also
knew
in
my
world
but
mine.
So
here's
here's
who
I
am
to
backdrop.
E
I
think
I
was
there
kind
of
at
the
beginning,
and
I've
ended
up
kind
of
having
kind
of
a
global
ambassador
role
with
civvie,
and
it
became
really
clear
to
me
that
as
soon
as
you
know,
the
civilian
backdrop
were
in
the
same
sentence
that
I
wanted
to
kind
of
just
be
involved
in
that
particular
little
sandbox,
and
and
so
I
play
in
it
in
and
out
and
and
and
I
think
it's
valuable-
I
mean
you
guys
can
say
yeah
when
they,
but
it
feels
it's
has
felt
valuable
during
this.
E
What
I
think
of,
as
drop
being
kind
of
in
in
its
early
days
of
evolution,
what
is
it
six?
Seven
years
now
we
celebrate,
which
is
incredible.
Really,
when
you
think
about
not
so
many
things
disappear
within
a
lot
less
time,
so
some
of
the
specifics,
I
think
yeah
I
mean
I
love
what
you
said:
jen
about
the
meaning
and
the
reasoning
behind
three
years
I
about
three
times
a
year.
I
think
it's
just
critical
to
to
just
name
it.
I
think
it's
at
a
point
drops
at
a
point.
E
The
product
is
at
a
point
and
the
community's
at
a
point
where
it's
still
very
much
in
in
growth,
in
my
mind,
and
I
think,
giving
several
opportunities
for
all
the
reasons
that
were
mentioned,
I
think,
is
good
yeah
saving
the
date
and
planning
ahead.
You
know
that's
something.
That's
took
me
a
long
time
to
learn
for
in
all
sorts
of
communities
that
I've
posted
and
designed
events,
but
I
think
that's
a
must
and
it
hopefully
doesn't
seem
too
difficult
to
you.
E
E
So
one
of
the
things
that
I've
introduced
in
some
virtual
events,
that
I'm
doing
mostly
with
the
co-housing
association
and
with
the
foundation
for
intentional
community,
is
that
during
our
conferences-
and
we
do
two
a
week-
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
virtual
stuff
going
on
with
both
orgs.
But
one
of
the
things
that
was
really
a
big
hit
this
year
with
the
co-housing
conference-
and
this
is
150
to
350
attendees
a
full
day
is
that
we
have
exhibitor
rooms.
E
So
we
have
an
extra
opportunity
for
regular
attendees,
either
co-housing
residents
or
co-housing
curious
to
go
and
meet
with
some
of
the
professionals
that
support
the
movement.
E
So
I
don't
know
that
seemed
to
be,
and
it
has
a
particular
slot
on
the
calendar,
but
it
gives
something
a
little
lighter
than
the
educational
content
or
the
yeah
than
everything
else.
That's
going
on.
The
other
thing
that
I
have
started
to
get
clear
in
my
own
mind
is
that,
with
the
foundation
for
intentional
community,
we
have
three
different
types
of
events
now,
and
I
know
I'm
preaching
to
people
who
already
have
heard
this
many
a
time,
but
I
just
want
to
create
the
distinctions
we
have.
E
What
clearly
now,
we've
defined
of
the
last
few
months
as
a
panel
event,
where
several
people
sit
sharing
their
experience
about
a
particular
thing.
We
also
have
a
workshop,
which
is
really
something
that's
more
deliberate
at
people,
with
some
interaction
with
the
audience
and
also
we
have
a
webinar.
That
really
is
just
a
you
know,
1.0
talking
at
people,
but
I
just
I
like.
E
I
found
that
we
were
able
to
attract
22
to
25
more
people
by
making
clearer
the
types
of
activities
that
we
have
so
some
variety
and,
of
course,
I
feel
like
I'm
taking
up
a
lot
of
space.
So
what
else
can
I
say
I'm
curious
about
how
I
think
you
all
might
be.
Maybe
the
only
community
where
I
have
where
I'm
aware
of
a
care
and
some
love
about
the
rest
of
the
world
with
civi,
we
have
you,
know
australasia
on
a
second
calendar.
E
We
have
europe,
even
though
the
us
does
try
and
cater
to
europe,
but
it's.
How
does?
How
did
that
work?
I
mean.
Does
that
attract
more
people?
Is
that
what's
the
ri,
with
management
of
all
that
I
know
you.
I
know
we
have
work.
We
backdrop,
has
people
all
sorts
and
on
lots,
yeah
and
all
sorts
of
places,
but
I'm
just
curious
about
how
rolling
all
that
into
one
has
worked
out.
C
E
C
To
answer
that,
that's
okay,
so
I
think
it
came
from
necessity
like
when
we
first
started
as
a
community.
There
weren't
enough
people
in
any
one
location
to
make
an
event
work,
and
so
we
start
started
from
the
very
beginning
saying
we
have
to
involve
everybody
worldwide,
and
I
think
that,
as
the
community
has
grown,
we've
now
gotten
to
a
point
where,
like
we
can
have
local
meetups
and
there
aren't
enough
people
to
meet
in
any
one
given
location,
but
just
because
we
started
in
a
place
where
we
had
to
involve
the
whole
world.
A
E
You
know
and
webinars
like
audience,
doesn't
get
a
chance
to
interact
workshop,
basically
with
zoom
tech
and
other
text.
You
know
everybody
is
part
of
the
conversation,
but
really
there's
you
know
jax
presenting
on
something
and
we
all
get
to
kind
of
engage
in
in
their
conversation.
You
know
in
that
topic
and
then
a
panel
you
know
obviously
is
super.
Rich
and
fun
can
be.
E
I
mean
with
civi
we're
doing
a
cms
series
now,
where
drupal
and
backdrop
and
and
wordpress
will
be
in
the
in
the
ring,
and
then
I
really
wanted
also
to
have
joomla
and
backdrop
to
be
on
the
same
event,
but
that
was
pushed
back
on
for
lack
of
time,
but
anyway,
that
was
just
a
similar
kind
of
thing
where
we
actually
get
folks
from
different
communities
to
speak
about
their
experiences
with
the
product.
A
So
I,
in
response
to
some
of
the
things
said
recently,
I
I
would
like
to
add
on
the
international
or
the
trying
to
the
global
reach
thing.
I
think
part.
A
Is
sort
of
how
did
it
come
about,
but
also
how
effective
are
we
or
or
how
is
it
working?
And
I
mean
I,
I
think,
we're
having
some
success
there.
I
still
feel
like
we
struggle
a
little
bit.
Certainly
in
terms
of
backdrop
live
I
mean,
I'm
I'm
pleased
with
the
progress
we've
made
there,
but
certainly
the
u.s
hours
are
are,
are
more
active
and
easier
to
sort
of
keep
going,
and
you
know
we
have.
D
A
We
had
at
least
one
person
point
out
that
from
their
time
zone
and
perspective,
you
know
they
just
weren't
the
same
opportunities,
and
I
think
that
that
can
get
better
over
time
and
I
think
we
just
have
to
keep
working
on
it.
I
don't
think
it's
been
a
failure,
yet
you
know
that
we
would
want
to
quit
doing
it,
but
but
we
certainly
need
to
acknowledge
that,
like
it
would
be
an
area
I
would
put
some
focus
in
for
the
next
one.
Any
progress
is
fantastic.
A
You
know
right
how
to
better
reach
folks
in
other
parts
of
the
world
than
than
really
the
u.s
time
zones
so
and
yeah.
A
I
I
want
to
reiterate
that
I
I
do
think
that,
if
we're
going
to
do
this
on
a
frequent
basis
that
that
maybe
it
should
become
part
of
the
the
outreach
meeting
agendas
because
to
keep
the
discussion
going,
I've
sometimes
felt
like
it's
a
I
mean
it's
not
that
we've
been
afraid
to
bring
it
up
during
the
outreach
meeting,
but
sometimes
I
might
have
been
overly
hesitant
to
spend
too
much
time
in
the
outreach
meetings,
because
I
felt
like
it
was
its
own
project
and,
and
that
still
could
be
the
case.
A
Maybe
it's
worth
having
a
dedicated
meeting
that
every
week
or
every
few
weeks
or
something
on
the
the
outreach
I'd
love
for,
on
the
backdrop,
live
just
to
focus
on
the
logistics
of
that.
If
there's
a
core
group
of
people,
I
I
don't
like
to
add
more
meetings.
If
it's
the
same
people
going
to
more
meetings,
I
like
to
add
more
meetings,
if
it's
bringing
new
people
in
that
might
not
otherwise
participate.
A
So
that
would
be
the
criteria
in
terms
of
having
another
meeting
is:
will
we
get
new
people
to
come
to
those
meetings
instead
of
the
same
old
people
we're
running
out
of
time?
The
the
the
dev
meeting
starts
in
a
few
minutes
I
want
to.
I.
I
also
want
to
follow
up
on
the
cv
crm
thing,
because
this
prior
to
backdrop
live
there,
we've
been
for
the
last
year
talking
about
using
cbcrm
to
better
manage
our
volunteers
in
our
lists
and
and
that
keeps
getting
stalled.
A
Some
peop
in
addition
to
jack
and
morgan,
bringing
this
up
larran
also
very
specifically
said.
I
you
know,
let
me
try
and
make
some
time
to
help
with
that.
So
we've
had
several
people
volunteer
to
do
that,
and
we
just
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
project,
manage
it
and
make
sure
it
happens.
D
Oh,
so
quickly,
on
a
few
points.
Neil
my
faces
were
mostly
that
people
didn't
want
to
have
backdrop,
but
there's
still
not
a
full
release
of
the
crm
for
drupal,
8
or
9.
Is
there
so
that's
funny
that
backdrop
is
ready,
but
so
those
are
my
faces,
for,
I
think,
incorporating
backdrop
live
into
like
the
agenda
for
outreach
meetings.
Ongoing
seems
like
a
really
good
idea.
D
It
feels
like
outreach
and
community
meetings
is
really
what
we're
having
you
know
and
I
think,
giving
more
people
the
opportunity
to
get
involved,
giving
us
a
regular
space
to
say
like
hey.
We
need
this
done.
You
know
we'll
really
help
this
for
the
civ
crm
for
backdrop,
community,
I'm
looking
at
this
ticket,
I
mean,
like
morgan,
actually
started
like
a
year
ago,
like
setting
up
a
site
like
like
setting
up
a
test
site
and
everything
so
like
an
installation
started
and
then
got
stalled
on
palanti's
end.
D
I'd
love
to
I
know
the
city
team
at
palanti
is
really
slammed,
but
I
could
try
to
help
facilitate
like
figuring
out.
All
right.
What's
been
done.
Is
that
useful
at
this
point
or
not?
Do
we
need
to
start
from
scratch
and
then,
if
we
once,
we
figure
out
the
status,
like
then
kind
of
pm,
folks
to
do
the
different
parts
of
the
work
like
if
laryn's
interested?
D
If
morgan
can
do
some
I'd
be
down
to
like
kind
of
take
on
pm?
For
for
that,
if
that
seems
helpful
to
like
keep
the
momentum
going.
A
Okay,
I
think
it
might.
Let's,
let's
talk
more
about
that
later,
I
I
had
a
really
important
thought
that
this
disappeared,
so
yeah
well,
we're
almost
out
of
time.
Is
there
anything
else
survivor
some
of
the
things
you
were
bringing
up
earlier,
we'll
have
to
come
back
to
let's
quickly,
acknowledge
though
oh,
this
is
what
the
thing
on
the
civ
crm
is.
A
What
we
at
least
need
to
do,
because
this
is
kind
of
an
urgent
decision
from
my
perspective,
is
like
laran
brought
up
like
adding
ciphy
crm
to
the
event
site
to
manage
registrations
right,
and
I
think
he
was
just
thinking
about
registrations,
but
we
we're
also
talking
about
cvcrm
to
manage
our
overall,
and
so
what
I'd
like
is
some.
You
know
at
least
fairly
soon
some
guidance
on
how
to
manage
all
of
our
cv.
A
Crm
needs
in
a
smart
way
so
that
we
don't
start
with
you
know
we
don't
suddenly
have
three
different
cvcrm
installations.
So
sarvajri
you
had
a
meeting
about.
A
You
have
been
persistently
reminding
us
of
the
value
of
videos
and
we
had
a
session
at
backdrop
live,
and
we
need
to
come
back
and
talk
more
about
that.
Do
you,
in
just
a
couple
sentences,
have
any
update
from
backdrop
live
on
on
what
the
next
steps
are.
B
I
think
one
thing
would
be
useful
is
we
could
have
some
training
on
how
to
do
good
videos,
whoever's
good
at
that,
get
them
to
train
other
people
so
that
everybody
feels
like
they
can
do
a
good
job.
If
they're
asked
to
that
would
be
useful.
A
A
B
A
So,
let's
keep
talking
about
that
and
anything
else.
Okay,
anything
else
for
today
I
was,
I
feel
like
there
was
one
other
logistical
thing:
well,
okay,
we've
got
plenty
of
time,
we'll
come
back
to
these
things
later
so,
okay,
so
thanks
for
all
the
feedback
on
backdrop,
live
it
sounds
like
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
proceed.
A
It
sounds
I'm
not
hearing
anyone
even
I
think
the
folks
who
mentioned
that
that
wasn't
a
great
time
slot
acknowledged
that
to
the
stage
you
know,
maybe
so
we
might,
it
was
brought
up
in
europe
that
a
lot
of
you
know,
mid-july
in
particular,
more
even
more
so
in
europe
than
in
the
us
is
a
lot
of
people
are
away
and
not
focused,
so
it
might
be.
A
Our
european
group
really
stressed
that
they
wanted
to
be
more
involved
in
helping
make
that
part
of
the
calendar
work
better,
but
I
think
they
were
concerned
that
this
is
like
the
worst
time
of
the
year
for
them
to
do
that.
So
as
long
as
we
keep
that
in
mind,
I
think
we
can
maybe
go
ahead
with
that
time
slot,
recognizing
that
it
might
be
that
our
big
european
push
comes
later
at
the
next
one.