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From YouTube: Backdrop Outreach - Sept 3rd, 2020
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A
Turkeys
or
something
all
right
we
are
live
so
today
is
thursday
september
3rd,
and
this
is
a
community
outreach
meeting
before
we
jump
into
stuff
on
the
agenda
or
stuff
not
on
the
agenda.
Let's
go
around
and
have
everybody
do
some
quick
introductions.
We
can
say
your
name
where
you're
from
and
if
there's
anything
exciting
you
want
to
share
with
us
today.
So
tim,
let's
start
with
you
and
then,
when
you're
done
call
on
someone
else
to
introduce
themselves.
B
C
To
say,
sarvashri
you're
next,
all
right,
I'm
sarvesri
and
I'm
in
north
carolina-
and
I
am
writing
up
a
beginner's
guide
to
backdrop
and
still
learning
how
to
do
it
getting
started
with
mamp.
This
time
I
tried
using
amps
before
and
it
had
a
php
8
point,
something
which
didn't
work
so
I'm
moving
to
mamp
and
jen
was
helping
me
a
little
bit.
I
didn't
know
whether
you
had
map
pro
or
map
just
regular
map
that
you
were
using
jen.
A
I'm
just
using
regular,
but
you
dumb
on
them
both
at
the
same
time,
so
I
think
either
one
should
work
since
I'm
talking
I'll
go
ahead
and
introduce
myself
next,
I'm
jen
lampton,
I'm
calling
from
oakland
california,
and
I
am
very
excited
about
all
of
the
progress
that
I've
been
on
backdrop
last
week.
D
Go
next
yeah
yeah,
matthias
living
in
switzerland,
I'm
a
copywriter
and
helping
companies
with
marketing
using
backdrop
or
doing
a
lot
of
front-end
working
backdrop,
yeah
gregory.
E
Yep
greg
I'm
joining
from
greece,
I'm
interested
in
everything
about
backdrop
trying
to
help
as
much
as
I
can
and
since
service
three
mentioned
four
easy
ways
to
set
up
things.
I
have
a
script
on
my
computer
on
mac,
which
I
run
and
it's
called
drop
and
you
just
say,
drop
issue
number
pull
request.
Number
sorry,
there's
those
outside
sorry
about
that,
and
then
it
sets
up
everything
in
london.
So
maybe
I
need
to
make
that
open
source
or
shed
somewhere.
E
People
can
find
it
and
use
it,
but
I
can
help
with
that
and
also
interested
in
if
service
three.
If
you
put
that
documentation
that
you're
doing
somewhere,
where
everyone
can
contribute,
I'm
willing
to
contribute
as
well.
F
Look
I'm
the
last
one,
I'm
luke
mccormick,
I'm
a
web
product
manager
that
lives
in
san
ramon.
California.
F
I'm
currently
mismanaging
the
ready
to
wear
initiative
for
for
backdrop
which
I'm
hoping
to
bring
around
I'm
very
excited
about
the
backdrop
live
event
and
and
I'm
hoping
to
actually
launch
my
old
band
site
on
backdrop.
This
weekend
I've
got
a
couple
pieces
that
I'm
going
to
put
together
and
try
to
try
to
do
with
that,
oh
and
in
in
the
neighborhood,
where
I
live
in.
There's
a
pack
of
coyotes
believe.
F
F
A
Okay,
just
a
quick
recap
of
everything
that
since
happened
since
our
last
outreach
meeting
backdrop
live.
I
don't
know
if
tim,
if
you
want
to
talk
about
everything,
we've
already
done.
B
Sure
we
have
a
simple
website
up.
B
We
went
live
with
registrations,
probably
after
the
last
meeting
we
have
six
people
registered
as
last
peak
was
publicizing
it
a
bit
last
week,
but
this
last
you
know
the
last
five
or
six
days
I
got
consumed
with
a
feature
freeze.
So
not
much
has
happened,
but
so
I
mean
that's
really
all
we've
done.
B
We
had
a
meeting
last
week,
a
late
night
meeting
to
hopefully
bring
in
some
europeans,
mostly
gregory,
and
I
talked
olaf
dropped
in
for
a
little
while
and
bw
panda
was
there
for
a
little
bit
without
listening,
but
we
didn't
make
any
big
decisions,
but
we
did
have
an
interesting
discussion,
so
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
right
now.
B
A
Know
tim
did
like
99
of
the
work
on
that.
So
thank
you,
tim.
That
was
great
okay,
so
google
ad
grants
is
something
that
we
have
been
trying
to
pursue
and
we
originally
asked
the
suffer
freedom
conservancy.
If
we
could
have
permission
to
do
it
and
they
said
that
their
lawyers
would
look
at
it
and
their
lawyers
are
not
getting
back
to
us
very
quickly.
A
So
we
have
since
told
them
that
we
are
going
to
proceed
and
should
their
lawyers
find
a
problem
in
the
system,
they
should
let
us
know,
and
we
can
retract
our
application,
but
we
thought
there
might
be
enough
time
involved
in
getting
everything
going
with
them
that
we
might
want
to
head
start
in
case.
They
said
yes
and
so
far
they
sound
okay
with
that.
A
So
I
think
that's
where
our
laryn
has
started,
setting
up
the
account
on
behalf
of
the
conservancy
to
list
them
as
a
nonprofit,
so
that
we
can
then
say
that
we
are
part
of
conservancy
which
should
get
the
whole
process
moving.
So
I
think
that's
where
we
are.
We
don't
have
a
grant
yet,
but
we
are
in
process.
So
we
at
least
are
making
progress
again
with
that.
A
Yes,
yeah
and
also
our
primary
contact.
The
conservancy
no
longer
works
there,
and
so
I
think
we
have
a
new
process
in
which
we
should
work
with
them,
where
we
have
an
email
address
over
at
the
conservancy,
where,
if
we
send
an
email
to
it,
automatically
creates
a
ticket
in
their
system
for
us,
and
I
think,
if
we
use
that
system
rather
than
contacting
an
individual
person,
we're
going
to
get
a
lot
better
feedback.
A
So
what
I
might
recommend
doing
for
this
particular
issue
is
to
create
another,
send
an
email
to
the
email
just
to
open
a
ticket
and
say
like
here's,
all
the
correspondence
we've
had
so
far,
just
to
make
sure
that
the
new
person
that
takes
on
this
process
does
knows
what
our
previous
contact
had
been
emailing
us
about.
I
mean,
I
think,
that'll
also
help
move
things
along
a
little
faster
from
here.
A
A
I
don't
know
in
the
world
of
blog
posts:
what's
happened
since
our
last
outreach
meeting,
it
looks
like
we
have
a
post
from
tim
about
backdrop
live
which
is
great
and
a
post
from
oh,
I
guess
this
is
a
post
from
the
dragon
about
backdrop.
117.
A
B
A
The
posts
on
all
the
other
stuff,
but
there's
a
bunch
of
other
stuff
we'd
like
to
write
about
too.
If
anyone
ever
gets
time.
A
B
Yeah
we've
talked
about
putting
this
on
the
agenda
every
two
weeks,
just
review
what's
up
at
the
moment
and
if
there's
any
good
ideas,
but
I
think
in
the
same
vein,
it's
your
last
note
there's
actually
a
lot
going
on
right
now.
So,
basically,
I
think
everything
on
the
dashboard
right
now
has
just
been
up
for
a
couple
of
weeks.
It's
pretty
fresh,
it's
about
the
release
and
about
back
or
backdrop
live
I
mean
if
somebody
does
have
something
that
they
think
should
go
on
the
dashboard.
B
E
A
I
will
make
a
effort
to
ask
my
clients
if
they
read
the
news
on
the
dashboard
or
not
and
see
if
I
can
prompt
them
for
feedback
on
that,
because
I
also
am
blind
to
it,
but
I
bet
there's.
I
know
I've
got
some
people
who
are
like
super
interested
in
what's
going
on
in
backdrop
and
they
might
like
read
it
and
never
mention
it.
B
B
A
Let's
go
ahead:
social
media
stuff
tim.
Thank
you
for
doing
twitter.
I
know
I
haven't
been
scheduling
stuff
recently,
which
is
my
fault,
but
fortunately
tim's
there
to
save
me
luke,
I
saw
you
said
you
thought
that
the
previous
request
to
manage
the
backdrop
page
might
have
timed
out
is
that
on
facebook,
but
I
was.
A
Find
the
previous
invite
to
cancel
it.
So
for
my
end
it
looks
like
it's
still
valid,
so
I
don't
know
I
can
spend
some
more
time
working
on
that
today.
Anyone
else
who
has
a
facebook,
I
think
tim
I
might
have
sent
you
an
invite
too.
I'm
not
sure
if
you
ever
got
it.
A
B
A
Great,
let's
see
newsletter.
So
since
our
last
outreach
meeting,
I
did
set
up
a
account
with
an
organization.
I
think
it's
called
send
in
blue.
That
I
was
hoping
would
be
sort
of
a
quick
fix
that
we
could
use
to
send
newsletter
blasts
as
needed.
They
were
the
only
servers.
I
found
that
ned
not
charged
for
uploading
more
than
2
000
contacts,
which
is
why
I
chose
them
and
then
I
think
the
way
their
pricing
works.
It's
like
you
only
pay
for
what
you
use.
A
So
if
you
only
send
one
newsletter
every
two
months,
it
should
be
free
which
is
sort
of
what
we
I
think
are
aiming
to
do.
But
if
we
do
end
up
ramping
up
and
using
it
like
once
a
month
or
once
every
two
weeks,
there
would
be
a
visa
cut
associated
with
it,
which
seemed
reasonable,
for
until
we
get
to
be
serious,
I'm
going
to
just
kind
of
use,
something
we
can
kind
of
want
along
with.
A
So
I
used
the
info
at
backdrop,
cms
email
address
and
all
of
the
information
for
the
sendinblue
account
should
be.
In
the
backdrop,
one
password
under
the
marketing
account.
So
anyone
who
previously
had
access
to
mailchimp
should
now
also
have
access
to
the
send
in
blue
information.
A
So
if
you
have
any
trouble
tim
in
particular,
if
you're
interested
in
that,
let
me
know
I
logged
in
and
I
set
up
all
of
our
contacts
and
I
tried
to
start
a
campaign,
but
I
got
distracted
as
usual.
A
A
E
No,
no,
no
so
a
window,
oh
a
window,
it
was
waiting.
Yes,
sorry,
materials
for
frustrating
you
and
that
you
were
waiting
for
a
couple
of
weeks.
So
I
think
that
maybe
next
time
we
shouldn't
wait
so
long
that
the
the
post
is
legitimate.
E
I
think
that
we
should
publish
it
because
that's
not
time
critical.
It's
not
like
a
news
thing
that
we
need
to
get
right.
We
can
update
it
later
on
if
we
need
to
change
the
wording,
so
I'm
not
gonna
block
anyone
anymore
as
soon
as
something's
up
and
it's
legitimate,
I'm
gonna
be
publicizing.
It.
A
Yay,
okay,
I'm
gonna
remove
that
from
the
list,
because
it's
no
longer
my
fault
and
then
I
know,
speaking
of
things
that
need
review
the
landing
page
for
drupal
alternative
mathias.
You
sent
me
a
google
doc
to
review
a
couple
weeks
ago,
and
I
think
I
only
got
halfway
through
it.
Can
you
remind
me
where
you
sent
me
that
link?
A
A
A
Sorry
I'll,
I
thought
it
was
really
great.
This
is
for
those
of
you
who
are
wondering
what
this
for
this
is
once
we
get
our
ad
grant
going,
we
will
have
ads
and
we'll
need
a
specific
landing
page
to
drive
traffic
to
so
this
is
very
focused
on
drupal
7,
end
of
life
traffic,
and
so
it's
got
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff
about
comparing
backdrop
and
drupal
and
reasons
why
backdrop
might
be
fantastic
for
people
who
are
on
triple
seven.
A
So
yeah,
I'm
excited
about
that
and
I
think
as
soon
as
we
get
the
wording
correctly,
we
can
publish
it
anytime.
Doesn't
we
don't
have
to
wait
for
the
ad
and
I
think,
that'll
also
help
with
general
other
other
traffic
people
are
like
googling
for
the
same
information
we
have
on
this
page.
G
Sorry
spaced
for
a
moment,
do
we
have
something
ready
or
are
we
saying
that
we're
planning
to
write
something
you
have
a
google.
A
Doc,
language
in
it
that
is
blocked
by
getting
a
review.
I
can,
I
think,
it's
public,
so
matthias.
Do
you
want
to
send
gregory
the
link
also
yeah.
A
Okay,
all
right.
A
B
Well,
I
feel
like
we
need
to
talk
about
it
really
really
soon,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
have
time
in
this
meeting,
so
we
I
could
give
a
a
couple
of
say
just
a
couple
of
things
sure
and
then,
if
we
want,
we
can
not
try
to
solve
it
now,
but
do
it
later,
so
the
the
the
intention
was
for
this
to
largely
be
an
unconference
with
a
user-generated
schedule
and
discussions,
and
I
love
that
format,
but
it's
hard
to
market
and
we
had
originally
built
kind
of
a
tool
where
people
could
suggest
topics
on
the
website
and
self
schedule
them,
but
that
was
looking
too
complicated,
so
we
kind
of
took
that
down
and
we're
just
asking
people
what
they
want
to
talk
about
when
they
register
the
problem
is
we're
not
getting
petty
people
registering
right
now
and
I
suspect,
as
in
most
of
these
camps,
that
80
of
the
registrations
are
going
to
come
the
last
week
or
maybe
60..
B
So
I
don't
think
we
can.
We
can
wait
that
long
before
we,
I
think
we
can
do
some
schedule.
I'd
like
to
start
scheduling
some
sessions,
partly
for
marketing
purposes,
so
we
have
something
to
talk
about.
I
also
would
like
to
be
able
to
reach
out
to
people
and
say:
hey:
are
you
coming
to
to
camp
and
what
what
topic
would
you
like
and
then
like
if
they
have
a
great
topic
and
are
willing
to
facilitate
it?
B
I'd
like
to
say:
oh
well,
let's
put
that
on
the
schedule,
because
then
we
can
start
getting
them
invested
in
the
camp
and
promoting
it
if
they
have.
If
we
don't
schedule
anything
until
the
last
few
days,
we've
got
nothing
to
promote
like
specific
until
the
last
few
days.
So
exactly
how
that
should
work,
I
I
don't
know
yet.
I
have
some
thoughts.
I
don't
know
if
we
have
time
to
talk
it
through
now,
but
I'd
like
to
start.
B
You
know
my,
I
guess
quickly.
My
idea
right
now
is
that
we
we
start
sort
of
building
a
schedule.
Maybe
where,
where
there's
you
know,
people
aren't
doing
it
themselves,
but
they're
doing
it
with
us
where
they
contact
me
or
gender.
Somebody
and
they
say
hey.
I
want
to
do
x
topic
and
then
we
sort
of
pick
a
slot
put
it
on
the
schedule.
Everything's
tentative.
You
know
we
tell
people,
it's
all
tentative
and
can
get
moved
around,
but
we
sort
of
tentatively
have
things
on
the
schedule.
A
A
We
could
put
them
in
there
and
then,
if
we
have
to
move
us
like
it's,
not
a
big
deal
because
we're
like
oh,
it's
fine,
we'll
just
shift
an
hour
one
way
or
the
other,
but
at
least
it
will
start
to
get
some
content
on
there,
that
we
can
market
and
then,
as
we
start
to
get
more
people,
we
could
add
like
either.
You
know
more
slots
per
section.
A
So,
like
we've
talked
about
having
this
three
hour,
three
hours
on
three
hours
off
format,
if
we
put
like
one
person
every
section
at
the
beginning,
and
then
we
end
up
with
like
two
people
in
every
section
or
two,
we
could
switch
to
like
two
rooms
at
the
same
time.
Sort
of
thing
like
that,
based
on
how
many
people
we
get,
but
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
leave
some
of
that
self
scheduling
until
the
event.
So
I
don't
know
if
we
want
that
to
be
like.
A
B
Yep,
so
I
quickly
took
the
liberty
of
sharing
my
screen,
and
you
know
I
think
I
don't
know
exactly
how
we
present
this
to
the
public.
But
if
we
started
to
have
like
just
take
some
topics
that
we
we're
pretty
sure
we're
interested
in
and
we
can
get
people
to
facilitate
that,
we
start
to
flush
it
out.
But,
like
you
say,
jen,
I
think
we
should
leave
a
lot
of
blank
spaces
to
to
to
make
it
clear
to
people
that
there's
there
are.
B
B
If,
if
we
end
up
with
multiple
tracks
like
an
opening
session
and
this
meet,
the
community
is
just
a
session
where,
like
everybody,
talks
about
what
they're
doing
it's
kind
of
an
open
discussion
just
who
they
are
where
they're
from
and
what
they're.
You
know
what
they're
doing
with
backdrop-
and
I
saw.
B
B
So
like
those
things,
we
could
schedule
now
and
get
them
on,
and
then
we
could
start
to
fill
in
four
or
five
of
these
others,
and
then
we
could
be.
You
know
we
could
reach
out
to
people
specifically
and
like
say
hey,
what
do
you
want
to
talk
about
and
where
do
where?
Where
can
we
put
it
on
the
schedule
and
start
engaging
them
in
that
way
and
I'd
love
to
be
able
to
like
tweet
about
a
new
session
every
day
right
for
the
next
two
weeks,
we're
only
two
weeks
right.
This
is.
B
It
starts
two
weeks
from
tomorrow,
so
I
love
it.
Okay
looks
good
so
john,
if
you
have
time
or
anybody,
maybe
later
this
afternoon
after
the
last
meeting,
we
could
check
back
on
this
briefly,
okay,
but
I
think
that's
enough
for
the
full
group.
A
E
One
one
thing
that
I
have
to
say
is
that
certain
presentations
in
drupal
events
seem
okay,
like
there's
even
some
short
ones
like
15
20,
minutes
presentations,
but
there's
certain
hour,
other
ones
that
take
the
hour
and
then
at
the
end,
it
seems
to
me
that
there's
people
that
want
to
ask
more
questions,
but
they
have
to
end
it
because
there's
that
one
hour
limit,
so
I
would
like
us
to
have
a
way
for
people
like
if
this
discussion
at
the
same
time
they
don't
want
to
lose
the
next
one,
miss
the
I
mean
the
next
event
or
presentation,
but
the
fair
do
yeah.
E
E
B
The
other
thing
I
mean
so
I'm
torn
between
we
don't
have
really
tightly
defined
goals
for
this
event,
which
would
be
helpful
in
making
some
of
these
decisions
like
one
goal,
would
be
just
a
place
for
people
in
the
community
to
get
together
and
talk
about.
What's
going
on
already.
Another
goal
is
to
bring
new
people
in
and
market
and
those
come
a
little
bit
in
conflict.
I
mean
not
completely.
B
We
can
accommodate
both,
but
like
the
the
total,
the
the
the
unconferency
format,
I
think,
is
really
good
for
people
in
the
community
already
and
already
working
with
backdrop,
but
it's
not
so
good
to
like
bring
somebody
in
that.
Just
wants
to
try
out
backdrop,
and
I,
unless
people
tell
me
that
you
know
that,
maybe
we
can't
do
both
of
these
things.
I
mean
I
I
was
thinking
about
that
the
blog
post
today
and
all
the
drupal
7
stuff
and
like
should
we
during
this
event,
be
having
like
us.
B
You
know
migrating
from
drupal,
almost
mini
workshop.
You
know
a
two-hour,
you
know
well
every
well.
A
lot
of
the
things
are
unstructured.
You
know,
is
that,
like
the
topic?
That's
going
to
bring
people
in
and
does
and
would
that
need
to
be
a
little
more
structured
and
then
there
could
be
a
an
unconferency
discussion
later
to
just
talk
about
it
and-
and
we
have
the
flexibility
right
to
do
that
kind
of
stuff.
B
E
So
I
don't
know
I
would
like
a
session
to
be
dedicated.
I've
seen
like
maybe
half
a
dozen
or
more
new
people
to
backdrop,
and
most
of
them
have
expressed
like
a
few
complaints.
I
should
say
so.
I
would
like
us
to
have
a
session
where
it's
going
to
be
all
q
a
as
in
I
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
title
it
as
come
and
tell
us
what
we're
doing
wrong.
E
We
had
a
nice.
We
had
a
nice
issue
in
the
queue.
I
can't
remember
where
it
is
what
we're
doing
right,
what
you
like
about
backdrop
and
what
you
dislike
about
backup
and
everyone
would
list
their
top
three
likes
and
dislikes,
and
I
would
like
us
to
have
that
feedback,
because
this
is
something
that
is
not
happening
during
events
in
drupal.
A
My
gut
would
be
that
I
would
prefer
to
save
that
for
another
time,
because
I
think,
like
especially
in
this
three
hour
block
format
right.
It's
either
going
to
be
something
where,
like
you're,
going
to
lose
someone
right
away
at
the
beginning,
because
they
can't
follow
along
or
they're,
not
interested
yet
because
they
don't
yet
know
they're
committed
to
backdrop.
A
So
I'm
not,
I
feel
like
we
can
maybe
have
a
conversation
or
discussion
at
this
event
about
that
and
say,
like
would
people
be
interested
in
such
a
thing,
but
I
think
just
throwing
it
on
the
schedule
might
be
a
little
premature.
I
mean
I
don't
know.
We
could
also
like
see
on
friday
what
people
think
and
if
they
really
want
to
do
it
on
saturday,
but
yeah
I'd
be
a
little
hesitant
to
block
okay.
I.
B
Jump
to
the
solution,
let
me
describe
the
problem
and
see
if
it
is
a
problem
and
what
maybe
there's
a
better
solution.
My
problem
or
the
problem
I'm
trying
to
solve
is
somebody
that's
just
sort
of
backdrop,
curious,
right
and
they're.
Looking
at
the
backdrop,
live
and
they're,
seeing
a
bunch
of
topics
that
feel
to
them
like
they're
kind
of
advanced
and
maybe
they're
thinking.
This
isn't
the
event
for
them
like
do
we
want
is
one.
Is
that
a
problem
and
two?
Is
there
a
solution,
something
we
can
do
to
entice
them,
but.
A
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
I
think,
like
curating.
Those
sessions
to
make
sure
that
there
are
some
that
are
very
high
level
introductory
would
be
my
first
recommended
solution.
I
would
think
that
doing
a
you
know,
a
block
of
upgrading
might
be
way
too
technical
for
those
people
anyway,
I
think
if
we
could
do
like
a
15-minute
like
high-level
overview.
C
I
I'm
good
so
who
has
who
has
been
notified
about
the
backdrop
live
so
far.
How
many
people,
and
what
kind
of
group
has
this
gone
out
to.
B
So
far,
I'll
just
jump
in
so
far,
we've
just
been
promoting
it
through
our
local
channels,
our
chat
channel
through
twitter
and
through
facebook.
We
plan
to
do
this
newsletter
as
quickly
as
we
can
and
that
will
reach
like
2
000
people
is
that
right,
jim
yeah
that
have
been
signing
up
for
the
last
five
years.
We
I
do
want
to
also,
I
don't
know
if
now's
the
time
or
later
talk
about
what
else
we
can
do
to
promote
this.
B
Like
I
just
asked
matthias,
they
have
a
there's,
a
german
language
backdrop
site
that
just
launched
a
couple
weeks
ago,
and
it
would
be
great
to
have
them
do
a
blog
post
and
we
should
be
thinking
about
like
what
other
channels
we
can
tap
into
you
know.
Are
there
some
podcasts
that
might
want
to
talk
to
us
about
it
if
we
reach
out
to
them.
C
What
about
other
facebook
pages
where
people
are
looking
for
solutions.
B
B
I
think
I
think
you're
touching
on
a
really
important
point,
which
is
that
we
often
you
know,
focus
on
the
channels
with
the
people
that
really
certainly
are
developers
and
stuff
like
that,
and
not
necessarily
we're
not
good
at
reaching
out,
I
think,
to
sort
of
end
users
or
or
people
that
just
need
a
website
right.
We
need
to
do
better
at
that.
C
G
C
And
there
must
be
millions
of
businesses
out
there
looking
to
do
something,
and
usually
somebody
just
says:
oh,
go,
install
wordpress
right,
you
know
and
to
grab
even
one
or
two
percent
of
that
group
would
be
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
people.
C
C
B
Okay,
well,
everybody
send
me
ideas
about
how
to
to
promote
this
and
please
you
know,
promote
it
in
your
own
channels,
and
I
think
we'll
talk
more
about
this
in
the
days
to
come.
C
C
There
is
an
alternative
to
some
of
these
other
cmss,
and
this
has
a
a
good
security
background
that
some
of
the
other
cms's
may
not
have,
or
you
know
whatever,
that
the
talking
points
are
that
should
go
out
to
to
people
who
are
looking
for
solutions.
My
my.
E
Idea
not
just
not
just
development
yeah,
my
idea
for
business
owners
is
this.
I'm
not
saying
this
is
a
bad
idea.
We
should
make
the
effort,
but
business
owners
do
not
have
the
technical
capacity
to
compare,
or
they
won't
make
the
choice.
Let
me
put
that
that
way,
because
drupal
and
backdrop
are
harder
than
wordpress,
for
example,
so
an
obvious
choice
for
someone
that
want
to
do
a
do-it-yourself
thing
will
be
something
like
wordpress
or
sweatpress
or
or
servers
as
weeks
links
yeah.
E
Yes,
all
these
things.
What
we
need
to
target
is
some
the
group
between
the
business
owners
and
the
enterprise
digital
agencies,
the
small
workshops,
people
that
have
some
technical
knowledge,
but
they
don't
have
either
the
time
or
the
capacity
or
the
budget
to
afford
to
train
people
to
do
something
more
sophisticated.
They
just
they've
been
businesses
that
have
have
been
running
for
years
for
decades
and
they're
used
to
a
certain
way,
and
that
could
be
a
way
similar
to
dropping
right.
E
Maybe
they
have
been
using
both
drupal
and
wordpress
and
they
want
to
do
something
like
they
have
customers
that
have
simple
sites
which
they
do
wordpress.
Like
they
use
wordpress
to
build,
and
then
they
have
certain
sites
that
want
to
do
some
complicated
stuff
that
that's
where
drupal
and
backdrop
shine.
E
So
I
think
if
we
can,
if
we
start
convincing
that
group
of
people
they
will
start
convincing
their
customers,
because
usually
customers
do
not
make
the
decision
for
for
the
softwares
like
you
go
to
them
and
say
this
is
what
I
use
you
present
all
the
sites
and
they
say
all
right.
Just
can
you
do
this
this
and
that
for
me
I
don't
care
what
you
use.
I
just
want
it
to
work.
C
E
Yeah,
it
might
not
be
developers,
it
might
be
the
project
or
the
technical
account
managers
the
account
managers
of
the
business
right.
So
if
we
convince
the
developers,
we've
done
one
step
and
then
we
need
to
make
it
easier
for
the
engagement
managers.
Whatever
you
call
them.
I
guess
you
don't
have
a
big
such
a
fancy
title
in
small
businesses.
E
I
guess
the
the
digital
agency
owner
or
the
person
that
approaches
the
customers
to
sort
of
like
provide
them
the
tools
that
could
be
presentations
or
like
we're
doing
a
great
job
with
providing
a
demo
thing
on
the
side.
So
things
like
that
tools
that
they
can
use
to
showcase
or
convince
the
customers
to
go
with
that.
A
Okay,
so
also
in
events
land,
we
have
bad
camp
coming
up
this
year
at
bad
camp.
We
have
a
half
day,
training
class
and
a
full
day
mini
camp.
It
might
be
interesting
to
see
how
our
backdrop
live.
Event
goes
and
see
if
we
want
to
use
some
of
the
same
content
or
maybe
even
some
of
the
same
format
for
the
mini
camp.
It's
also
going
to
be
online,
so
I
think
lessons
learned
from
one
will
be
applicable
to
the
other.
A
Yes,
but
the
training
costs
money.
Okay,.
A
B
F
D
A
F
A
So
yeah,
I
don't
know
if
anyone
has
any
thoughts
on
that
the
session
submissions
for
bad
camp
itself
ended
on
monday.
They
had
an
interesting
requirement
this
year,
where
they
said
they
weren't
going
to
accept
any
sessions
that
they
were
presented
before.
So
the
specific
push
for
unique
content,
which
I
thought
was
interesting.
A
I
submitted
a
couple
backdrop
ideas,
but
they
were
all
sessions
I've
done
before,
so
I'm
not
expecting
them
to
get
accepted,
but
I
feel
like
we're.
Gonna
have
enough
content
on
backdrop
day
that
there
should
still
be
backdrop
awareness
at
the
camp,
but
yeah
we'll
see.
I
think
some
other
people
submitted
some
sessions
that
are
backed
up
related
to
that
might
have
been
new
content,
but
we'll
see
I.
F
Don't
know
I'll
I'll
advocate
for
once
it's
funny.
C
F
Actually
went
in
on
saturday
to
submit
some
sessions
and,
and
it
was
mislabeled
both
on
the
site
and
in
the
reminder,
email
in
both
places.
It
said
that
that
session
submissions
close
on
friday
at
midnight-
I
was
like,
oh
I'm,
too
late
and
and
it
turns
it
turns
out
that,
like
behind
the
scenes-
and
I
remember
it-
I
was
like
didn't-
we
say
it
was
on
monday,
but
then
you
know,
I
convinced
myself.
I
must
have
that
wrong,
because
here
it's
obviously
saying
so.
I
thought
that
was
a
well.
A
A
Yep
so
yeah,
I
don't
have
any
specific
thoughts
on
bad
camp,
currently
distracted
by
the
backdrop
117
release
and
I
drop
live.
B
It's
a
full
month
after
backdrop
live
right,
yeah,
okay,
so
I
would
say
that,
like
the
day
after
backdrop
live,
we
start
thinking
about
it
because
you're
right,
we
can
learn
some
things
and
maybe
even
recruit
some
people.
A
All
right
so
also
relevant
is
backtrack.
117.,
it's
a
bunch
of
cool
stuff
in
it.
If
you
want
to
hear
about
it,
come
to
the
next
meeting,
there's
going
to
be
much
more
cool
stuff
in
it
at
least
bug
fixes,
but
yeah,
I
think
that's
I
don't
know
in
terms
of
outreach
stuff
we're
going
to
have
some
tweets,
some
blog
posts
and
a
newsletter
all
relating
around
117
and
I'm
hoping
that
the
backdrop
live
event
will
be
able
to
showcase
some
of
the
new
stuff.
A
B
Well,
I
am
partly
thinking
about
that
open
source
stage,
oh
yeah,
and
I
think
we
should
mention
it
because
first,
just
let
people
know
that
it's
going
on
remind
them
and
and
also
this
from
an
outreach
standpoint.
B
I
think
they're
promoting
the
event
and
well
it's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
promote
bankrupt
to
potential
contributors
right
because
that's
it
can.
A
So
there's
an
organization
that
specifically
I
mean
not
not
only,
but
it's
specifically
focused
on
getting
women
involved
in
technology
and
they
have
an
event
they're
calling
open
source
day,
which
is
a
huge
movement
to
get
a
whole
bunch
of
their
members,
contributing
to
open
source
projects,
and
so
what
they've
done
is
they've
gone
to
a
bunch
of
different
open
source
communities
requested
representatives
to
be
available
for
a
day
or
two
in
october,
where
they
will
have
a
list
of
issues
that
are
identified
online
that
are
good
for
first-time
contributors.
A
So
we've
got
existing
people
who
are
really
involved
in
open
source
plus
projects
that
have
representatives
who
need
help
working
on
open
source
working
together
with
a
huge
pool
of
people
who
want
to
contribute
to
open
source
to
hopefully
get
a
whole
bunch
of
people
contributing
to
a
whole
bunch
of
projects,
and
so
I
volunteered
backdrop
as
a
a
project
that
they
could
work
on.
They
had
a
couple
of
requirements
like
you
must
already
have
a
list
of
issues
identified.
A
You
always
have
a
lot
of
activity
in
the
queue
whatever
and
we
met
all
of
the
requirements.
So
I'm
just
like
here's
a
backdrop
and
they
were
like
this
is
great
you're
accepted.
Can
you
please
provide
a
couple
of
mentors
or
what
do
they
call
us
representatives?
And
so
I
volunteered
to
be
one
tim
volunteered
to
be
one.
A
I
think
gregory
also
might
have
offered
to
be
one,
and
so
we
got
invited
this
week
to
a
slack
channel
where
everybody's
going
to
be
contributing
and
all
week
long
there's
been
people
who
are
coming
from
all
of
their
member
organizations
showing
up
like
hi.
I
work
at
aws
and
I
do
whatever
I
work
at
red
hat
and
whatever,
and
these
are
the
people
who
are
the
mentors
that
are
going
to
be
helping
their
new
people
and
starting
closer
to
the
event.
A
All
of
the
people
who
want
to
contribute
will
also
be
onboarded
and
we'll
get
some
time
to
help,
introduce
them
to
backdrop
and
show
them
our
issue
queue
and
identify
issues.
That
would
be
good
for
new
contributors
to
work
on.
So
I've
been
spending
a
little
bit
more
time
than
usual,
adding
the
good
first
issue
label
to
things
in
our
queue,
just
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
a
good
queue
of
those
ready
to
go,
but
I
think
it'll
be
really
fun.
A
It's
going
to
be
a
huge
influx
of
people,
for,
I
would
imagine
a
short
period
of
time,
but
I
expect
that
we'll
probably
be
able
to
get
some
of
those
people
hooked
on
the
wonderful
open
source
contribution
bug.
So
that's
that's
my
goal,
but
yeah
it
it's
something
that
I
think
will
be
great
for
us
and
hopefully
good
for
all
of
the
participants
as
well.
E
B
It's
on
october,
1st,
it's
9
30
to
6
p.m,
pacific
time
in
the
u.s.
I
think
this
isn't
well.
You
know
that,
in
addition
to
making
sure
we
have
some
issues
that
are
ready,
we
should
also
make
sure
that
our
active
people
in
the
issue
queue
are
ready
to
be
welcoming
and-
and
I
would
like
really
try
to
push
like
we're
more
likely
to
get
people
to
come
back
and
help
on
another
issue.
If
they
see
results
on
the
first
one.
B
E
Did
jen
did
you
mention
that
this
is
a
sort
of
like?
Is
it
the
same
event
as
trying
to
get
women
into
technology?
Is
that
the
same
event
or
that's
yes?.
E
So
this
is
something
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up.
Maybe
shortly
I
guess
jen
you're,
the
obvious
person
that
identifies
themselves
as
female,
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong
in
the
community
and
I'm
not
sure
so
jack
identifies
as
they
and
then
I
think
indiegogo
zelda
is
a
he
she
or
they.
E
So
I
guess,
even
in
the
meetings
like
you
can
see
from
the
panel
here
like
it's
all
guys,
so
I
I
would
like
us
to
have
more
of
a
female,
that's
and,
in
general
other
gender
nuts.
E
We
are
doing
a
good
job
by
representing
all
sorts
of
people
from
all
walks
of
life
in
the
pmc,
but
I
would
like
to
see
that
happen
in
the
queue
as
well
when
in
the
means
eventually.
So
I
don't
know
how
we
can
move
towards
that,
but
that
event
sounds
like
a
good
source.
B
Yeah,
this
is
like
one
probably
a
good
opportunity
for
exactly
that.
So
I
yeah,
I
don't
know
if
this
is
directly
tied,
but
I
also
want
to
bring
up
hacktoberfest,
which
I
don't
know
if
other
people
have
seen
this
or
have
opinions
on
it,
but
it's
digital
ocean
sponsors
it.
I
think,
and
it's
it's
an
idea.
Their
theme
is
open.
Source
is
changing
the
world.
B
One
pull
request
at
a
time
and
my
understanding
is
that,
basically
they
it's
a
website,
organizations
can
come
and
schedule
like
sprints
online
and
then
the
idea
is
to
get
people
contributing
to
open
source
projects.
B
You
know
this
is
a
bigger
sort
of
global
thing
and
I
think
that
digitalocean,
like
offers
a
free
t-shirt
to
like
anybody
that
registers
and
then
does
one
pull
request,
and
I
believe
that
like
for
backdrop,
we
could
do
you
know
if
we
scheduled
a
sprint
in
in
october,
we
could
get
it
on
their
calendar
and
and
if
we
publicized
it,
you
know
using
like
the
hashtag
tactoberfest,
it's
another
opportunity
to
maybe
do
outreach
to
developers.
You
know
to
contributors
to
potential
contributors.
E
Yeah
someone
mentioned
it
on
slack
on
nothing
work,
so
maybe
no
one,
no
one
specifically
said
if
they're
interested
or
not,
but
maybe
I
can
grab
some
people.
B
I
seem
to
get
a
lot
of
buzz
on
twitter.
Last
year
I
saw
a
lot
of
activity.
You
know,
partly
because
I'm
sort
of
subscribed
to
some
people
that
are
involved
with
a
lot
of
like
new
coders,
so
it
was
really
being
promoted
to
new
coders
as
an
opportunity
to
develop
their
skills.
A
So
I
just
posted
a
link
into
the
meeting
slack
or
zulu
channel
sorry-
and
I
think
this
might
be
a
good
page
for
us
to
start
promoting
on
social
media
or
elsewhere,
because
backdrop
is
listed
as
one
of
these
projects
that
you
can
contribute
to
on
on
a
list
of
this
year's
projects
on
the
open
source
day,
which
is
pretty
cool
so
to
be
like
hey
yeah.
The
thing.
B
On
the
side
note
they
they
in
the
chat
channel.
They
were,
they
seemed
to
be
encouraging
people
to
promote
this,
and
then
they
had
a
link
to
the
site,
but
you
had
to
be
registered
to
get
to
that
link
so
like.
I
think
they
have
some
some
tweets
that
they
want
people
to
use.
Although
we
get,
you
know,
that's
not
to
prevent
us
from
doing
something
on
our
own.
B
A
Yeah,
I
think,
there's
also
kind
of
a
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
void
for
us
as
the
representatives
of
the
project,
where
I
think
they
assume
that
everybody
is
involved
enough
in
the
event
that
we
just
know
how
it
all
works,
and
so
every
now
and
then
I'm
like
wait.
What
are
what
are
we
called
like?
What
are
we?
Are
we,
the
representatives
or
are
we
the
mentors?
A
I
have
to
like
explain
it
like
sorry
but
yeah.
I
think
we're
getting
there.
E
Yeah,
oh
how's,
this
meeting
I
would
like
this:
are
you
I
see
you
in
the
meetings,
but
I
are
you
active
in
the
zulu
chat
or
in
the
issue
on
github.
E
I
see
you
joining
these
meetings,
but
I
I
I
haven't
seen:
maybe
you
use
a
different
handle.
Are
you
joined
on
our
lip
chat
or
the
issue
in
github
or
I'm
in
I'm
in.
C
Julia
zulu
and
okay,
I'm
working
on
on
this
project
that
I
was
talking
about
this
introduction
for
beginners
and
I'm
more
like
a
fly
on
the
wall
at
the
moment.
I
don't
know
enough
about
developing
to
be
of
any
real
value
as
a
developer.
E
E
The
reason
why
I
was
asking
is
because
the
the
agency
that
I
work
for
has
open
sourced
a
the
training
guides.
There's
two
guides
now,
but
there's
meant
to
be
three
one.
Is
the
content
editor
guide,
training
guide,
one
is
the
site
builder
and
then
there's
the
coder,
which
is
yet
to
be
published,
and
maybe
I
can
get
you
some
links
and
then
you
can
get
some
material
because
it's
open
source,
you
can
grab
some
material
along
with
that.
E
I
heard
you
mentioned
it
before,
but
I
didn't
mention
it
back.
Then.
I
think
that
it
will
help
you
yeah
I'd,
be
happy.
E
Yeah
and
then
and
then
I
was
interested.
What
would
be
the
product
of
your
work
like?
Would
you
is
it
going
to
be
a
published
by
some
of
the
known
companies?
Are
you
going
to
put
it
on
the
internet
as
a
pdf?
Yeah
it'll
be
a
free,
free,
pdf,
okay,
perfect,
because
the
software
that
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
using
some
software
or
what
you're
using,
but
we
use
git
book,
which
allows
you
to
print
it
out
as
so
it's
at
the
same
time,
people
can
contribute
and
whoever
is
interested
to
consume.
E
It
can
can
print
it
as
pdf,
but
I'll
post,
all
those
things
I'll
get
you
a
private
message
or
I'll
start
a
a
stream
or
a
topic.
C
Trying
to
focus
on
is
the
very
beginner
who's
looking
at
why
they
would
want
to
use
backdrop
why
a
developer
would
want
to
develop
in
backdrop
as
compared
to
other
cms's.
C
Why
would
you
not
want
to
go
with
drupal
8
and
go
to
backdrop
instead,
because
you're
not
big
enough
to
be
a
full
enterprise
level
system,
and
it's
that's
too
complicated
and
backdrop
is
a
better
target.
You
know
all
the
kinds
of
things
that
you
know
about
much
better
than
I
do.
I'm
sure
why
why
you
would
want
and
and
promote
those
ideas
to
developers
who
work
in
developing
small
business
applications
for
businesses
and
how
to
know
how
you
find
those
developers,
but
I'm
sure
there
are
thousands
of
them.
E
Yeah,
okay,
cool,
because
I
think
that
part
of
the
outreach
should
be
as
well
providing
good
documentation.
That's
how
you
get
people
like
people
that
are
interested
and
they
don't
know
how
to
use
their
product
and
they
get
to
face
a
system
that
is
as
powerful.
I'm
gonna
use
the
word
powerful
and
not
complex
as
drupal
and
backdrop
they
might
just
give
up
without
giving
it
a
chance.
But
if
there
was
some
way
to
just
help
them
out,
you
would
get
them
to
stay.
C
If
I
wanted
to
there's
but
backdrop
is
not
there,
so
I
wrote
to
sub
subtaculus
to
see
if
they
might
include
it,
but
if
we
could
get
some
more
people
to
make
it
easy
for
people,
you
know
one
click
install
is
very
motivating
for
people.
E
I
think
we
have
an
issue
for
that.
I'm
looking
to
find
an
issue
for
that.
We
have
an
issue
to
include
backed
up
in
multiple,
not
not
just
spectaculars,
but
other
providers,
I'm
not
sure
where
we're
at
with
the
societies,
but
I'm
trying
to
find
it
now
it
should
be
on
the
ops.
If
you
arrive,
then.
C
E
B
And
sarvajri,
so
please
use
use
the
zooloop
to
ask
questions.
You,
don't
you
know
yeah,
don't
be,
don't
feel
intimidated
to
post
there.
Okay,
even
just
say
hi
once
in
a
while.
C
Yeah
I
haven't
been
getting
on
that.
Often
just
you
know,
I
was
looking
at
it
today
to
see
what
kinds
of
topics
were
being
talked
about
and
whatnot,
and
then
I
did
a
search
for
how
to
register
for
backdrop,
live
and
didn't
find
anything
there's
a
whole
lot
of
things
on
backdrop.
You
have
to
search
for
backdrop,
cms
live
and
then
you
can
find
it
through
a
google
search.
B
F
A
Yeah
sounds
good:
we
will
rejoin
each
other.
Actually,
I
can
just
stop
the
recording
and
then
we
don't
have
to
go
anywhere
all
right.
So.