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A
B
I
can
go
first,
my
name
is
jen
lampton,
I'm
running
from
oakland
california.
I'm
very
excited
to
get
back
into
outreachy
things,
and
that's
it
for
me
today.
How
about
luke.
C
My
name
is
luke
mccormick,
I'm
a
blah
blah
manager
in
san
ramon,
california,
about
10
miles
from
where
jen
is,
and
I'm
I'm
anxious
to
to
spread
the
word
we
we've
got
lots
of
good
news
and,
and
we
need
to
let
the
world
know
about
it.
Robert.
A
Hi,
I
am
tim
erickson,
I
am
in
deerwood
minnesota
and
I
am
just
busy
busy
busy
so
not
too
much
else
to
say
so.
Once
again,
I
haven't
done
any
preparation
for
today's
meeting.
We
have
an
agenda
file.
A
A
We
certainly
could
talk
about
backdrop,
live
and
jen.
I
certainly
think
our
open
source
day
stuff
is
outreach,
and
maybe
we
should
update
folks
on
what's
been
going
on
with
that,
so
anything
else,
outreachy
related,
I
mean.
Let
me
I
will
just
say
I
don't
like
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
the
blog
posts
and
social
media
stuff
every
week,
because
we
we
all
seem
too
overwhelmed
to
get
it
done.
But
of
course
that
that
is
a
big
thing.
We
are
always
looking
for
people
to
do
blog
posts.
A
There
are
plenty
of
ideas.
If
you
have
the
time
and
bandwidth
to
do
a
blog
post,
please
let
us
know
or
jump
in
today
and
let
us
know
what
you
could
write
about,
but
yeah
go
ahead
right.
We
were
gonna,
say
something.
E
Yeah,
first
of
all,
I
am
greg
I'm
joining
from
greece.
I've
been
away
for
like
yes,
sorry,
I've
been
away
for
like
a
month
and
a
half,
so
I'm
cut
I'm
trying
to
catch
up
with
everything
that's
going
on
in
the
community
today.
E
I
would
like
us
to
discuss
a
few
things
that
were
brought
up
in
my
day,
work
by
colleagues
that
are
happening
in
drupal
land,
namely
there's
one
summit
to
train
contributors,
and
I
think
we
can
get
ideas
from
that
and
the
other
one
is
a
sort
of
like
an
initiative
that
is
happening
in
drupal
land
with
regards
to
onboarding
developers
faster
and
allowing
them
to
contribute
with
sort
of
like
pre-templated
setups,
we'll
discuss
this
at
the
end.
E
A
Okay,
so
I
was,
I
was
still
distracted,
but
I
think
I'm
sorry
quickly
recap:
you
did.
You
talked
about
the
summit
mentor
or
the
the
mentor
contributor
summit
and
something
else.
What
was
the
other
thing.
E
The
other
thing
is
called
drupalpod
and
it's
like
an
initiative
that
aims
to
provide
a
one-click
tool
to
set
up
new
contributors
so
that
they
can
start
and
providing
pull
requests
and
fixes
for
drupal
as
soon
as
possible
without
having
to
you
know,
jump
through
poops
to
get
their
locals
set
up
properly.
E
A
Why
don't
we
mention,
but
both
of
those
things
relate
at
least
a
little
bit
to
open
source
date
that
jen
and
I
have
mostly
been
involved.
You
know
greg.
You
helped
the
first
time
john.
Why
don't
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
that?
Just
what
we've
been
doing
and
the
status
of
that
happen
and
these
other
things
will
tie
into
that.
B
Sure
so
open
source
day
is
a
part
of
a
larger
conference
called
the
grace
hopper
celebration
and
that
event
is
specifically
designed
to
help
foster
women
in
computer
science,
careers
and
part
of
that
event.
They
have
this
open
source
day
thing
where
they
try
and
get
a
whole
bunch
of
attendees
for
their
event,
primarily
women,
contributing
to
open
source
projects.
B
We
participated
last
year
and
had
a
pretty
good
time
and
they
had
an
open
source
day
earlier
this
year
too,
that
tim
and
I
were
also
helping
with-
and
we
had
a
couple
of
new
contributors
who
picked
up
some
good
first
issues
and
even
got
them
committed,
there's
another
one
in
the
queue
that's
ready
to
be
committed.
So
that's
really
great
they're
gonna
have
another
open
source
day
in
the
along
with
the
event.
That's
coming
up
in
the
fall,
and
this
time
they
sent
out
an
email.
B
I
think
just
this
week
saying
that
they
wanted
to
do
a
specific,
excel
accessibility
focus
for
some
of
their
open
source
projects
and
asked
us
if
we
wanted
to
be
involved
in
that-
and
we
said
yes
and
so
yesterday,
tim
and
I
spent
some
time
going
through
the
issue-
queue
making
sure
we
had
enough
issues
labeled
in
a
clear
way
that
we
could
identify
them
as
accessibility
issues
for
open
source
day,
and
we
aren't
really
sure
what
kind
of
contributors
we're
going
to
get
this
time.
B
If
we're
going
to
get
people
who
can
do
testing
or
people
who
can
write
code
or
both
or
people
who
have
accessibility
experience.
Who
can
maybe
help
us
identify
issues,
we
don't
know,
but
we
did
at
least
want
to
make
sure
that
we
had
our
list
of
our
own
issues
to
work
through
in
the
event
that
we
just
get
coders
and
we
want
to
put
them
to
use
solving
our
problems.
So
that's
where
we're
at
right
now,
I'm
also
doing
a
ton
of
accessibility
work.
B
In
my
day,
job
trying
to
get
10
different
sites
very
accessible
and
we've
been
doing
work
with
a
local
group.
Here
called
the
center
for
accessible
technology
that
has
a
bunch
of
people
that
they
employ
to
use
websites
with
various
different
levels
of
need
in
terms
of
what
their
tooling
is.
They
have
you
know
some
people
with
parkinson's
and
some
people
are
colorblind
and
some
people
are
actually
blind
and
people
who
just
use
different
kinds
of
tools.
B
So
jaws
is
like
the
most
popular
tool
for
people
to
navigate
websites
not
being
able
to
see,
but
there
are
also
free
open
source
alternatives
that
people
have
been
testing
and
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
the
websites
that
I've
been
working
on
work
across
all
of
those
platforms,
and
so
I
reached
out
to
that
group
and
said.
B
Would
you
be
interested
in
helping
us
with
this
free,
open
source
project
where
we
want
to
get
these
kind
of
improvements
not
just
into
the
websites
that
are
being
built
with
the
software,
but
into
the
base
software
itself?
And
because
the
people
that
I'm
working
with
there
are
women
coders
passionate
about
open
source?
B
It
seems
like
a
perfect
fit
to
group
them
into
this
open
source
day
with
the
grace
hopper
celebration,
so
hopefully
we'll
find
a
way
to
get
that
kind
of
all
converged
at
the
same
time
and
try
and
get
a
whole
bunch
of
people
making
accessibility
better
for
backdrop.
So
it
seemed
like
perfect
timing
to
get
everything
going
together
and
I'm
hoping
that
that
will
all
come
together
nicely
we'll
see.
E
What
kind
of
help
is
required
with
with
that
whole
thing?
Attempt
with
the.
B
So
what
tim
and
I
are
doing
is
we're
serving
as
project
mentors,
and
that
means
that
there
will
be
one
day,
that's
called
setup
day
that
we're
both
gonna
spend
a
couple
of
hours,
trying
to
make
sure
all
of
our
contributors
have
a
local
development
environment
or
at
least
an
environment
where
they
can
write
code
and
file,
pull
requests,
even
if
they're
testing
them
on
our
sandboxes
and
then
we're
also
around
during
the
event.
B
So
if
anyone
has
any
questions
about
how
to
contribute
or
what
a
pull
request
should
look
like
we're
there
to
help
talk
through
that,
I
think
last
time
we
were
in
zoom
for
almost
the
whole
time.
So
that
not
only
are
you
communicating,
you
know
in
zulip
and
maybe
in
the
issue
queue,
but
you
also
have
a
line
of
actual
verbal
communication
and
smiling
faces
to
talk
to
these
people
and
then
we're
also
around
to
provide
feedback
to
the
issues
that
they're
working
on
last
year.
B
I
did
an
example,
and
then
tim
did
an
example,
and
then
we
had
one
of
them
do
an
example
live,
and
that
was
also
really
beneficial
to
you
know:
share
the
screen
and
watch
the
process
of
fixing
issues
this
time,
I'm
hoping
that
we'll
get
some
of
those
same
people
back,
and
maybe
we
can
get
them
to
do
the
example
this
time,
but
we'll
see
we'll
see
if
we
get
so
there's
a
lot
of
you
know,
being
there
real
time,
a
little
issue,
cue
triage,
but
not
a
lot
of
additional
work
other
than
just
keeping
on
top
of
what
they're
doing
and
responding.
A
Great
just
to
clarify
you,
you
were
there
as
a
mentor.
I
think
last
fall
right.
I
think
it
was
june
10
you
and
me
they
didn't.
That
was
part
of
the
actual
conference
that
this
summer
they
did,
and
you
might
not
have
even
caught
on
that,
because
it
happened
pretty
quickly.
They
did
a
just
a
a
sprint
day
that
was
not
connected
to
the
conference
and
we
also
participated
in
that
so
jen
and
I
were
mentored.
A
I
think
we
had
even
fewer
participants
than
we
did
the
first
time
we
had
a
smaller
group,
but
still
we
there
were
a
couple
of
them
were
very
engaged
and
we
did
get
as
john
said
some
some
pr's
now
we're
gearing
up,
for.
I
think
the
one
this
fall
is
again
related
and
connected
to
the
conference
right,
jen
yeah,
it's
like
during
the
conference.
E
So
you
try
to
call
correctly
they
had
a
slack
channel
or
something
going
on
where
we
were
tagged
as
mentors
and
people
could
contact
us,
because
it's
the
same
setup
or
similar
this
year,
yeah.
B
E
A
E
A
Well
sure
we
and
again
it's
probably
pretty
inactive
right
now
right.
It
was
active
during
this,
the
that
last
sprint,
which
was
like
a
month
ago
and
now
the
next
one
is
until
october.
First,
I
think
that's
the
date.
Isn't
it
october
1st,
I
think
so
the
the
the
idea
they're
not
they
haven't.
Basically,
they
were
looking
for
certain
projects,
just
to
sort
of
have
an
accessibility
focus
right.
I
don't
think
they
all
are
and
and
jen,
and
I.
B
A
Both
thought
that
would
be
great
for
for
background,
I'm
curious
to
see
if
it
increases
interest
in
participating
or
if
it
makes
it.
You
know,
if
it
sort
of
sets
one
extra
obstacle.
I
don't
know.
I
would
think
that
there
would
be
a
lot
of
interest
in
accessibility,
so
it
might
actually
give
us
more
contributors.
A
E
My
understanding
is
that
we've
done
some
prep
work
to
find
some
accessibility
issues
in
our
cube,
but
I'm
guessing
that
there
will
be
people
that
are
willing
to
test
and
support
accessibility
issues
with
software
right
or
is
the
expectation
we
don't
know
that.
Okay,
okay,.
A
I
I
I
thought
about
that,
but
then
I
also
thought
about
the
fact
that
the
most
I
mean,
maybe
they'll
have
mentors
that
have
some
experience
in
this.
But
our
experience
with
this
in
the
past
has
been
the
participants
are
really
oftentimes
very
much
beginners
and
we
shouldn't
assume
that
they're
going
to
come
with
a
specific
accessibility
knowledge,
although
I
did
consider
like,
should
we
you
know,
would
we
be
able
to
use
time
that
day
during
the
sprint
to
do
some
accessibility
testing?
A
I
think
this
plays
into
outreach
because
it's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
reach
out
to
some
accessibility,
folks
and
say:
hey
we're
participating
in
this
accessibility,
sprint
and
we'd
like
to
do
some
testing
in
advance
of
the
sprint,
which
is
what
jen's
already
talked
about
right,
she's
already
reached
out
to
that
group
in
oakland.
Or
why
are
they
you
know?
Is
it
a
local
group?
Did
you
say
that
you're
working.
B
A
Nice
anyways-
and
you
know
I
could
envision
us
having
even
you
know,
a
sprint
prior
to
open
source
day
to
where
we,
you
know,
I'm
envisioning
sort
of
like
an
basically
like
a
triage
and
or
testing
day
in
advance
of
the
open
source
day
where
we,
our
focus,
is
not
on
solving
accessibility
problems
but
identifying
them
and
triaging
tickets
in
the
queue
I
think
jen
and
I
identified
some
tickets
as
accessibility
issues,
some
of
them,
I
think,
jen.
A
B
Yeah
they're
handful
that
are
just
adding
the
right
attributes
or
removing
the
wrong
attributes,
which
would
be
great
for
a
first
issue,
because
it's
pretty
straightforward
and
I
also
think,
based
on
the
feedback,
I'm
getting
from
my
other
websites
that
we're
reviewing
there's
a
lot
of
common
patterns
that
I
think
we
could
look
for
in
backdrop
like
things
around
the
mobile
navigation
things
around
tabs
things
around,
there's
just
like
common
elements
that
people
access
a
certain
way
with
different
tools,
and
I
think
we
can
say
oh
backdrop-
has
all
these
things.
B
Let's
make
sure
we're
doing
them
right,
and
I
even
have
code
samples
from
this
group
about
their
like
recommended
way
to
do
them
and
that
works
best
across
most
devices
or
most
technologies,
and
we
can
just
compare
that
to
what
we
have.
So
I
think,
even
if
we
can't
get
an
official
study
of
having
you
know
their
people
look
at
our
site.
We
came
up
with
some
other
ideas
too,
like
using
automated
tests.
Using
these
examples,
I
think
there's
a
way
we
can
get
new
accessibility
issues
in
our
queue.
E
B
Yeah
at
open
source
day,
they
do
specifically
ask
for
like
non-documentation
issues
that
can
have
pull
requests
filed
because
they
are
trying
to
get
these.
Ladies,
who
are
coders
into
coding,
open
source
projects.
We
have
a
handful,
a
good,
you
know,
first,
issues
that
are
fixing
our
doc
walks
places,
but
those
wouldn't
be
accepted,
and
they
also
have
they
have
sponsors.
B
For
this
event
and
based
on
the
number
of
pull
requests
that
people
get
in
for
projects,
they
sometimes
get
like
gift
cards
and
stuff
like
that,
and
so
they
want
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
pull
requests
are
sort
of
equivalent
in
terms
of
what
the
people
are
doing
and
so
having
a
bunch
of
documentation.
Ones
might
skew
that
people
don't
actually
need
to
do
the
coding
to
get
this
done.
E
I
have
a
local
script,
it's
good
for
mac
os.
It
should
run
on
linux,
but
not
on
windows,
which
basically
is
a
command
called
drop
and
if
you
do
drop
and
then
as
a
parameter,
the
issue
that
you're
working
it
like
the
issue
number,
what
it
does
automatically
is
it
pulls
down
code.
It
sets
the
backdrop
thing
as
a
remote
it
if
there
is
an
existing
pull
request
that
it
has
been
forgotten
for
years.
It
sort
of
like
merges
that
in
spins
up
lando
sets
up
backdrop.
E
That's
that's
some
of
the
recipes
that
here,
bw
panda
was
working
on
and
then
once
that
that
spun
up
it
uses,
dress
to
do
things
developing
things
like
disable,
css
and
js.
Aggregation
enable
php
errors
and
things
like
that
and
install
develop
module.
E
B
E
As
it
used
currently,
it
makes
certain
assumptions
like
it
makes
the
assumption
that
you're
using
docker
and
nando
and
that
you're
on
mac
os,
but
if
I
put
it
somewhere
somewhere
publicly,
someone
might,
you
know,
contribute
to
it.
So
when
we
can
make
it
os
agnostic
or
something
like
that,.
B
E
And-
and
it's
not
like,
it
also
makes
assumption
that
you
know
that
it
pulls
things
from
my
repo
so
that
we
need
to
figure
out
ways
to
customize
that
for
each
person.
But
if
it's
october
1st,
then
I
think
we
have
enough
time.
So
maybe
we
can
build
something
that
similar
to
that
drupal,
pod
or
gitpod
thingy
for
us
for
our
situation.
Maybe
so
so
we
already
have
incontrib.
We
have
things
tools
that
are
not
modules.
Should
I
put
it
somewhere
there,
yeah
yeah.
B
F
D
A
Exactly
okay,
cool
cool,
yeah
yeah,
but
but
b
is
different
than
this.
Let's
talk
about
this
for
a
minute,
because
there
are
other
examples
of
this,
and
so,
rather
than
just
coming
up
for
it
with
a
solution
for
gregory
peter
shared
a
gift
a
couple
of
years
ago
for
orlando,
that's.
A
A
londo
file
that
I
have
used
from
time
to
time
and
I
think,
like
the
last
time
I
mentioned
it
to
peter
he'd,
almost
forgotten
about
it
or
this
particular
one.
I
think
I
don't
know.
A
A
I
think
there
might
be
a
forum
post
somewhere
that
references
it
that
he
might
have
shared
it
there,
but
it's
like
if
you're
looking
for
that
kind
of
thing,
you
know
where
would
you
find
it
and
and
john
rearick
just
shared
on
twitter,
a
little
script
he
wrote
to
to
do
to
to
do
updates
on
a
backdrop
site.
E
So
so,
basically,
the
script
that
I
have
built
built
upon,
that
lando
gist
that
peter
okay
has
has
created.
So
basically,
if
it
was
just
that
this
people
would
need
to
know
how,
to
you
know,
set
things
up
on
their
local
and
then
yeah
copy
that
and
then
so.
My
script
basically
does
all
that
for
them,
and
it
pulls
that
customized
version
of
that
one
and
then
it
also
on
top
of
it,
allows
you
to
select
versions
of
php
and
things
like
that
and
it
automates
it.
E
A
No,
not
the
gist
file,
it
was
just
he
just
had
it
as
a
guest
in
his
github
account
and
he
shared
a
link
to
it,
and
I
I
used
it
for
a
while
and
then
I
kind
of
forgot
about
it
for
a
while,
and
then
I
remembered
it
was
out
there
and
I
just
googled
it
and
found
it,
but
I
had
to
know
it
was
there
right?
There
was
no
way
I
would
have
stumbled
across
it
like
if
I
were
to
look
yeah
so.
A
And
I
don't
know
if
you
looked
at
what
john
rearick
did,
if
he's,
if
that
would
be
useful
to
other
people,
but
but
that
was
that
was
a
script
for
like
updating
for
running
updates
on
here.
E
A
Have
spent
time
on
that
at
both
of
the
the
open
source
days
and
like
this
last
time,
we
spent
too
much
time
on
it
again,
but
I
think
you
know
those
of
us
who
mentored
it
and
sprint
days
know
that
as
long
as
I've
been
going
to
sprint
days
like
half
the
day
is
always
spent
on
helping
people
get
set
up.
Yeah,
which
is.
A
Right,
and
so
you
know,
I'm
not
sure
that
a
new
script
is
going
to
solve
that
for
us,
because
we
still
there's
always
problems
in
getting
the
scripts
to
work
and
just
get
it.
You
know
getting
lando
installed
and
working.
You
know
usually
works
smoothly
without
a
problem,
but
always
on
sprint
date.
Somebody
yeah.
E
Yeah,
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
as
I
said,
my
script
makes
certain
assumptions
as
well:
there's
command
line
tools
like
said
or
awk
that
they're
being
used
which
are
making
the
assumption
that
are
already
installed,
but
if
not,
we
can
adapt
the
script
to
install
it
for
the
person
like
run
a
command
to
see
if
the
script
is
there,
if
it's
not
just
install
brew
and
via
brew,
install
it
or
whatever
but
yeah.
E
Yeah,
the
other.
The
other
thing
is
that
that
gitpod
thing
that
I
was
saying
so
we
can
explore
the
same
thing
that
our
drupal
brother
and
I
are
doing
to
see
if
we
can
create
a
template
that
does
everything
that
my
script
does
for
people
that
sets
it
up
on
a
environment
which
is
operating
system
agnostic.
So
they
don't
have
to.
We
don't
have
to
say
to
people
like.
Are
you
using
windows
or
linux
or
whatever?
E
A
A
D
B
A
E
Or
does
it
say,
push
code
to
our
replay?
So
so,
basically
it
would
be
just
from
reading
through
it.
I
haven't.
Actually
I
created
an
account.
I
got
free,
not
sure
open
source
license
whatever
it
is,
but
I
haven't
actually
used
it,
but
from
reading
the
description
it
basically
allows
organizations
to
to
have
templates
such
template
environments.
So
when
a
new
developer
is
being
onboarded,
they
just
provide
them
with
a
link.
They
register
with
people
provide
them
with
link,
and
then
they
just
pick
it
and
everything
set
up
for
them.
C
I
I
set
up
an
account
a
few
minutes
ago
and
it
seems
pretty
smooth
that
it
it
it.
It
gives
you
a
url.
It
just
says
you
know
prepend
this
little
bit
to
your
github
url.
So
I
I
set
it
the
the
backdrop
code,
repo
and
it
it
fired
up
a
cloud
version
of
visual
studio
cloud.
Visio,
visual
studio
code
with
you
know
backdrop
yeah
ready
to
be
edited.
C
E
And
gitpod
seems
to
be
like
one
of
these
people
that
are
pro
open
source
and
very
supportive.
So
if
we
have
a
public
announcement
somewhere
in
the
in
the
main
site
that
we
will
be
doing
this
sort
of
like
code
sprint,
we
can
like
they're
very
responsive
with
their
emails.
We
can
send
them
an
email
and
say
hey
expect.
E
C
E
Yeah,
exactly
you're
gonna
hit
some
some
limits,
but
yeah.
If,
if
you
apply
like,
if
you
go
to
their
pricing
page,
it
says
something
about
open
source
contact,
us
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
And
if
you
go
through
the
process,
it's
just
it's
pretty
smooth
as
well.
A
E
Yeah,
so
if
any
of
us
attends
I
plan
to,
I
would
like
us
to
be
as
less
intrusive
as
possible,
because
the
the
main
goal
of
that
is
to
train
people
to
be
drupal
mentors.
E
What
I
plan
to
do
is
just
silently
attend
any
any
meetings
or
sessions
that
they
have
and
get
ideas
because
we're
all
amateur
you
know
mentors
and
we
are
all
thoughtful
people,
but
but
there
might
be
things
or
approaches
that
we
do,
that
you
know
are
not
ideal
and
we
could
improve
upon
so
yeah.
Basically,
I
just
want
to
attend
and
get
ideas.
A
A
Well,
I'll
have
to
check
my
schedule.
I
mean
if
I
I
wouldn't
have
any
hesitation
in
participating.
I've
mentored
at
plenty
of
drupal
events
and
would
in
the
future
if
I
were
there.
So,
although
yeah
things
are
changing
so
much
in
drupal,
I'm
not
sure
how
useful
I'd
be,
but
we'll
see
I
have
to
see
if
I
can
participate,
but
there
are
some
folks
that
do
really.
E
One
thing
came
to
mind:
so
drupal
south
happened
yesterday,
which
is
the
respective
drupal
con
for
australia
and
new
zealand
in
that
area
that
part
of
the
world,
and
we
had
race
as
a
kidnap
speaker.
So.
E
A
thing
that
I
have
noticed
is
that
they
are
now
openly
at
so
like
admitting
that
the
low
end
market,
which
is
they
sort
of
like
spotted
as
d7,
has
taken
a
hit
over
the
past
years
since
d8
was
released
and
they
are
starting
to
realize
that
people
are
going
to
be
from
the
community
are
going
to
be
lost
and
we're
going
to
bleed
towards
wordpress
or
wix
or
squarespace,
and
I've
seen
that
now
in
official
sort
of
like
slides
and
things
like
that
presented
by
people
and
being
admitted.
E
So
I
don't
know
how
we
can
use
that
towards
the
outreach
like
for
the
benefit
of
our
purposes
or
whatever
it
seemed.
It
seemed
that
even
dries
implied
that
it's
expected
at
least
that
people
are
gonna
go
away
like
these.
Seven
people
are
gonna
weigh,
so
I
don't
know
how
we
can
hook
into
that
and
say
hey.
Why
leave
this
part
of
the
community
move
away
when
we
can
retain
it
and
when
they're
ready
for
the
a
to
b,
nine
or
enterprising
things,
they
can
just
be
in
a
familiar
place.
C
E
Which
is
for
me,
so
this
was
my
thought
exactly
so
I
posted
a
comment
while
dress
was
speaking,
but
I
didn't
notice
that
there
was
a
time
window
for
people
to
pre-submit
questions.
So
my
questions
and
a
few
others
that
have
asked
they
thanked
us,
but
they
said
sorry,
we
don't
have
time
for
all
of
these
questions
and
you
had
a
chance
to
you
know
pre-submit
them,
but
we
didn't
but
yeah.
E
If
we
can
sort
of
like
approach
any
person
with,
I
don't
know
some
official,
I
don't
know
drupal
association
ties
or
whatever
and
tell
them
hey.
Look
since
you're
you're
sort
of
like
starting
to
admit
the
fact
that
that
sort
of
like
we're
losing,
if
not
community
members
installations,
so
sites
are
basically
moving
away
from
drupal
and
if
you're
sort
of
like
admitting
that
that
they're
going
away
to
other
software,
why
not
suggest
backdrop
as
a
familiar
sort
of
like
software
with
less
pain
or
whatever.
D
It's
sort
of
saying
asking:
how
are
you
going
to
admit
you
were
wrong.
E
You
know
we're
not
going
to
go
into
that,
but
since
the
community
has
come
to
terms
with
that
fact
that
that
they're
bleeding
out
population
or
I
don't
know
sites
or
whatever,
that
we're
losing
people
to
other
software,
why
not
officially
sort
of
like
start
endorsing
backdrop
as
an
optional
as
an
option
because
from
both
drees
and
others
in
other
sessions,
it
was
mentioned
that
you
know
for
whatever
reason,
so
they
weren't
saying
that
it's
the
cost
or
whatever
it
is.
They
said
for
whatever
reason.
E
We
realized
that
this
has
been
happening
and
it's
a
fact
right.
So
if
they
realized
it
and
now
they
have
the
drupal
steward
thing
going
on
so
they're,
basically
suggesting
drupal,
7
side
owners.
If
your
site
is
neglected
and
it's
all
basically
converted
to
a
static
version,
but
this
is
basically
telling
them.
You
had
a
cms,
the
best
that
we
can
do
for
you
is
just
make
it
static.
E
Why
not?
You
know
anyways,
so
I'm
throwing
that
in
the
table
as
an
idea,
just
just
as
a
thing
that
I've
noticed
that
you
know
even
high
wrap
primers.
If
you
can
say
that
are
admitting
the
fact
that
you
know
people
are
going
away.
A
What
I
was
going
to
say
is
in
sort
of
pre-covered
times
my
response
to
that
would
be
to
just
have
conversations
with
group
of
people
at
events
that
I'm
attending
right
and
that's
how
I
would
get
a
better
sense
of
where
people
are
at
I'm
really
kind
of
at
a
loss
right
now
for
how
to
deal
with
that
sort
of
remotely
right.
A
It's
like
I'm,
not
sure
like
who
you
contact
and
and
to
be
honest,
I'm
not
sure
that,
like
a
cold
email
right
is
going
to
get
a
response
on
that
kind
of
an
issue.
Whereas
having
beers
with
some
folks
at
drupalcon,
right
or
in
a
local
camp,
we
could
actually
have
a
discussion
where
you
know
that
might
be
meaningful.
So
I'm
not
thinking
about
that,
because
we.
A
It
right
now,
but
yes
like
what
is
the
alternative
to
to
sort,
because
I
mean
you
know
being
more.
You
know.
Another
solution
is
just
being
more
out
there,
not
in
a
provocative
way,
but
just
exactly
you
know,
doing
more
blog
posts
being
at
more
virtual
events.
You
know
and
hopefully
sort
of
stimulating
that
discussion,
because
I
you
know
whether
or
not
it's
whether
or
not
it's
an
official
thing
that
comes
out
of
the
drupal.
You
know
organization.
E
Yeah,
so
what
I
was
thinking
is
that
if
each
one
of
us
it's
time
that
they
receive
an
email
about
an
event
that
is
happening
with
sessions,
just
go
through
the
list
of
the
sessions
and
if
there's
a
session
that
is
in
the
form
drupal
7
is
coming
to
end
of
life.
Now
what
so?
This
seems
like
an
opportunity
to
approach
the
person
that
is
doing
that
presentation
and
say
hey
if
you
are
suggesting
like
alternatives.
Have
you
like?
Are
you
aware
of
backdrop
and
have
you
included
it
in
your
presentation?
C
I
I
mean
I
I
gotta
imagine
at
at
some
level.
You
know
dries
feels
the
same
things
that
we
do.
You
know
you
know
we're
we're
the
only
ones
that
that
are,
you
know,
stewarding
this,
like
brilliant
code
base
that
he
came
up
with
and
and
that
he
was
kind
of
forced
to
abandon.
So
I
I
mean
he's
got
a
he's
got
to
have
some
affection
to
to
his
orphan
children.
Yeah
I
mean.
B
E
C
C
There
was
like
an
alternative
to
drupal
and
the
things
that
that
they
said
are
about
about
drupal.
Like
I
read,
I
was
like
what
are
they
saying,
they're,
saying
yeah,
you
know
every
any
competent
programmer
can
look
at
the
drupal
source
code
and
instantly
find
security
holes
and
I'm
like
I
proved
that
come
on
break
into.
C
Let
me
see
you
do
that
and
you
know
there's
just
stuff
so
and
you
know,
and
and
they
were
like
it's
hard
to
extend,
I'm
like
wait
a
minute,
so
I
mean
I
mean
the
kind
of
stuff
that
the
actual
enemies
throw
at
it
is
is
so
much
it's
so
different,
and
you
know
when
I
was
at
accenture
I
used
to
to
run
across.
You
know,
clients
that
they
were
getting
pitched
by
like
adobe
and
psycho,
and
you
know
people
like
that
and
like
that.
That
is
a
that
was
a
way
more.
E
E
One
thing
that
I
was
always
trying
to
point
out
is:
if
it
is
easy,
or
in
the
future,
it
becomes
easy
to
migrate
from
drupal
7
to
drupal,
8
and
beyond.
For
those
those
people
that
are
prepared
to
go
enterprise
or
that's
how
people
phrase
it
it
should
be
equally
or
relatively
easy
to
do
the
same
thing
from
backdrop.
E
So,
as
I
said
why
you
know
force
people
to
pour
the
motor
that
has
been
going
around
is
drupal
7
after
the
end
of
life
is
not
going
to
be
secure
anymore
right,
so
there's
a
rash.
You
need
to
do
it
now,
and
and
people
are
then,
because
of
that
forced
to
move
to
other
software
and
what
I'm
saying
is
like,
instead
of
forcing
those
people
to
just
go
away,
suggest
a
backdrop
as
an
alternative,
you
still
sort
of
like
retain
them
in
the
wider
community.
D
Yes,
robert,
but
there's
also
the
companies
that
are
providing
paid,
lts
support
for
drupal
7
yeah
I
mean
they
occupy
in
a
sense.
They
are
kind
of
our
closest
competitors,
because
they're
saying
you
can
stay
all
drupal
70
and
they
can
make
similar
arguments
when
you're
ready
you,
you
could
migrate.
E
D
Competitors
the
wrong
word,
I'm
just
they
are
people
and
agree
they
are,
they
are
people
that
are
potentially
our
audience
would
also
consider
I
mean
that's
what
we
did
before
going
to
backdrop
was
looked
at
those
as
a
possibility.
C
Yep
exactly
yeah,
I
I
think
companies
like
my
drop
wizard,
for
example,
are
are
our
prime
prime
partner,
but
possibilities
could
because,
because.
B
C
We
can
provide
stuff
that
solves
their
problems
and,
and
they
you
know
they-
they
make
money
just
on
billable
hours.
They
they
actually
don't
want
to
be
in
the
software
creation
business
they
they're
they're
in
the
billable
hours
business.
So
if
we
can
provide
ways
to
enhance
their
product,
they're
they're,
our
friends.
D
A
Okay,
let's.
A
To
sum
all
of
this
up,
I
would
just
say
we're
looking
for
ideas.
I
I
mean,
I
think
doing
the
other
things
we're
doing
and
just
being
out
there
and
doing
outreach
is,
is
the
one
thing,
but
also
talk
to
people
in
the
drupal
community
and
and
see
where
we
can
go
with
that?
I
don't
know.
E
Speaking
of
of
people
like
the
the
long-term
support,
the
businesses
that
are
participating
in
that
program,
have
we
have
we
done
anything
to
approach
them.
I
think
that
someone
from
my
job
wizard
has
has
appeared
at
some
point
back
in
the
guitar
days
in
our
community
and
then
gone
away,
but
have
we
actively
tried
to
approach
them
and
see
what
they
think.
B
Have
hosting
clients
they
have
services,
they
do
everything,
and
last
I
talked
to
them.
It
was
a
while
ago
they,
you
know
they
were
very
familiar
with
drupal
6
7
code
and
they
were
very
happy
to
work
on
backdrop
code.
We
had
some
of
the
main
people
that
are
contributing
to
stuff
and
creating
modules
in
our
control
repository.
B
I
think
that
they
don't
have
any
you
know,
even
though
their
business
model
is
long-term
support
like
they.
They
do
other
stuff
too,
and
I
don't
think
they
have
any
reason
to
like
not
want
to
support
backdrop.
I
think.
B
Tool
for
them
or
they're
like
oh,
we
have
one
clients
who
don't
want
to
do
anything
and
we'll
give
them
a
long-term
support
and
we
have
clients
who
want
to
upgrade
but
can't
go
to
drupal
8
and
we'll
give
them
backdrop,
and
I
think,
they're.
As
far
as
I
last
time
I
talked
to
them,
so
I
haven't
talked
in
a
while
either
pandemic
that
would
they
had
no
bad
feelings
about
backdrop.
A
They
may
do
that
right,
but
I
don't
know
like
what
the
partnership
is
right.
They're
out
there
saying,
if
you've
chosen
not
to
move
off
of
drupal
7,
we
can
help.
You
know
I
mean
what
we
could
be
doing
is
asking
them.
You
know
once
people
get
to
the
point
where
they
absolutely
are
going
to
move
off
a
backdrop,
then
you
know
like
recommend.
You
know
mention
backdrop
is
an
option,
but
I
mean
it's
not
obvious
to
me
what
the
pitch
would
be.
If
I
were
to
approach.
E
Them
well
the
business
yeah
in
my
head,
and
this
is
something
that
I
told
to
the
the
company
that
I
was
working
for.
I
just
said:
look
at
how
at
the
the
usage
stats
there's,
there's
literally
hundreds
hundreds
of
thousands
of
d7
sites
out
there,
which
are
going
to
reach
a
point
where
they
have
no
option.
So
why
don't?
We
join
the
long-term
support
program
as
well,
which
is
a
form
of
contribution
which
my
the
company,
that
workforce
also
supports.
E
E
This
is
the
the
bit
where
people
like
long-term
supporters
could
cook
like
these
guys
already
have
customers
a
really
a
very
big
user
base
of
customers
that
are
in
d7
or
before,
and
the
reason
why
they're
not
going
to
d8
is
usually
cost
right.
If
they
go
to
them
and
say
hey,
would
you
like
to
go
to
d8
and
they
say
no,
because
it's
costly
and
they
say,
there's
this
other
option
as
well,
which
is
I
don't
know,
half
the
amount
of
money.
Maybe
they
say
yes,
no,
that's
that's
the.
A
Okay,
but
I
don't
think
that's
the
business
that
my
drop
wizard
is
in,
isn't
helping
people
get
to
the
next
thing.
Their
business
is
in
supporting
them,
while
they're
on
drupal
7
right
as
long
as
they're
there.
So
I
mean
if
I
were
at
conferences,
I
would
be
you
know,
having
conversations
with
them
just
sort
of
casually
but
like
out
of
the
blue
to
like
reach
out
to
them
via
email.
It's
like
I
don't
know
what
the
pitch
would
be
right
like
what
I
would
be
asking
so
other.
A
There
keep
us
on
their
radar
so
sure
as
they're
having
informal
conversations
with
clients,
you
know
yeah,
they
should
be
mentioning
us,
and
my
guess
is
they.
Are
I
mean
that
you
know
for
what
I
know
of
the
people
who
run
that
I'm
sure
if
they've,
you
know,
if
they're
talking
with
the
client
that
I
I
don't
know
that,
but
that
would
be
a
thing
to
ask
them.
You
know
is
if
they're
talking
to
folks,
who
literally
are
deciding
like
where
to
go
after
exactly.
Are
they
mentioning
us
yeah?
That
would
be
a
good
thing.
A
Yeah
so
sounds
like
yeah:
let's
how
about
well
we're
out
of
time,
so
we
other
things
that
we
need
to
be
talking
about.
Are
our
next
backdrop
live,
but
we'll
have
to
save
that
for
another
week.
E
Content,
not
content
but
feature
phrases
soon.
Do
we
want
to
communicate
things
and
solicit
help.
B
A
Post
a
note
in
zulu
two
releases
ago,
I
did
a
blog
post
saying
you
know
what
issues
to
people
are
people
prioritizing
for
this
next
release
and
it's
getting
late
for
that.
It's
only
10
days
left,
but
it's
not
necessarily
too
late.
We
could
do
that
again.
A
It's
something
we
can
tweet
about
and
just
sort
of
hopefully
draw
some
folks
in
that
you
know
maybe
aren't
in
the
issue
day-to-day,
but
but
have
worked
there
before
and
so
that
if
people
want
to
do
that
blog
post
again,
I
actually
drafted
a
starter
version
of
it,
but
I
just
need
some
issues
to
put
into
it.
A
If
people
have
any
other
ideas,
we
could
do
a
schedule,
a
kind
of
a
sprint
between
now
and
the
31st.
If
anybody's
interested.
C
Oh
well,
I
ended
up
30
second
coda
of
what
could
have
been
the
longer
thing
at
the
beginning,
but
but
I
I
feel
like
towards
the
beginning
of
the
meetings.
We
should
spew
out
deadlines
and
things
like
that
for
for
people
who
just
happen
to
randomly
like
look
at
that
one
youtube
video
just
you
know
what,
if
you
only
got
one
shot
at
somebody,
what
do
they
need
to
know?
So
we
should
have
like
like
a
one
minute.
Spiel,
like
you
know,
next
release
is
this
newsletter
goes
out
this
day.
A
And
it's
also
a
good
point
about
the
newsletter.
I
think
we
got
spoiled
with
peter
for
a
few
months.
He
was
getting
it
out
each
month
and
then
I
think
we
missed
this
month.
Didn't
we.
I
don't
think
there
was
an
august
newsletter
so
yeah,
so
we
should
get
back
on
that.
A
Okay:
okay,
that's
a
good
point.
Look
let's
sign
off!
So
the
next
meeting
can
start
hi
everybody
and.