Backdrop CMS Outreach, 7 Feb 2019

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Today’s outreach agenda: http://bit.ly/2CSSeBp

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Hey it is uh Thursday February 7th, and this is a meaning to talk about community outreach for backrub CMS. um According to the agenda, we are supposed to talk about our website. First modulus things and layouts. Okay. So last week, I worked on this all afternoon and I got um a core patch up that fixed search and then I committed all of my changes to the back drop CMS to or greep oh and then it was like 12:30 at night and I was like. Don't deploy this now, whatever you do.

A

So it's all ready to go um and I thought what I would do is push it today and then maybe well. Everybody's awake get some testing and there's anything terribly wrong. We could roll back, but what it does. Is it redoes the modules, themes and layouts search pages on backdrop, semester org, so that number one it renders more nicely. It uses a new custom, View mode to display all of the information we want to show on each project, and that will be really easy when we get slideshows and stuff.

A

To just add it is another field display of that View mode, and then it also changes the way the search works so that it now waits the title search result much higher than anything that appears in the body so like. If you have a module named webform- and it says webform once in the title, but doesn't say it at all in the body, but then you have other modules that are like love from add-ons and they say the word wept on five times in the body. If you.

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Web form web forms. You still come up first, in the way that I made the patch for core there's user interface. That lets you select like how much heavier you want the title to be than the rest of the search matching, but that did require an API change. I had to add parameters to hook, rankings which I think will be okay. I ran it by Nate verbally, but I want to actually look at the ball request before we're sure, but doc want reviewed it and he was like it should do this anyway.

C

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User interface push this in and make it wait more heavily and we'll just decide on some arbitrary value. If we can't provide user interface, that's an API changed so I think that's exciting and I'd love to get that working on backdrop, and it was funny as I was working on it. I was trying to find gerbil modules that implemented this hook, and there were none.

A

Nobody use the course search and rupal. Is it that bad just given up and everybody.

A

D

When I, when you asked me to review that figured I, didn't we correlated with the problem that we're having with bid org, but now that you mention it and menu the example that you said was to test with webform. It makes sense, but you having me revisit the whole search thing realized me how much it terribly sucks in both p7 and like I. Am you now realize why everybody is using search API in solo, yeah.

A

And it's super wonky like you actually have to write logic in my sequel, for how you want the joint happen and then that's one of the parameters of hook rankings so I think this search system is totally right for a revisit and we should definitely look at some of the solutions that exist in I can trim for drupal thing.

A

I don't like about search api is that it assumes that you're gonna have an external search system and there is an option where it uses the my sequel database as its external thing, but I would love to just make the built-in search better like what whatever we ship with core shouldn't. You know depend on you having so I, don't know if we can do that within our existing search module or if we need to like you know, replace it with something else.

A

But I do think that we shouldn't depend on someone having something like Apache Solr. This yeah well.

D

Yeah those thing in that so so they're or they don't fit the main audience or that our what you got our main audience, but at the same time it's good news that it's not working as it should in v8 and in backdrop, inheritant Lee, because I think that we won't break many things. I think fact will improve them. If we, if we introduce something even in the wand, optics yeah, we could claim that it's not flying just by the eggs but bugfixes, just yeah, yeah I, think.

A

Also, like the API Edition, we're making it we're, passing the search terms that people are searching into the function that people can do something with which is kind of stupid that they weren't there in the first place, because that makes made hook ranking sort of useless.

A

If you can't do anything, the search terms that are coming in so I'm thinking that, like this is a step in the right direction like now kinship can do something useful, a search where they actually couldn't before, because the API was so limited, but I think the way we're doing in my sequel stuff is just bizarre and we should figure out a way to make that more developer friendly and if we can leave the signature of the search function. The same we're like you know, pass in nothing and it'll do whatever it does now.

A

What does that maybe add a new API or something there's a lot of ways. I think we could do this in a backwards compatible way, considering they're just a little now we're very likely to not very good and only make it better. So you.

E

Know, I I think we can be more ambitious than that for this, like I I, you know just sort of think of the cuff. You know we're in the outreach meeting here right, we're looking for things that get the world excited about back drop, maybe I'm wrong about this. But but this feels like it's kind of low-hanging. Fruit like like Drupal, has Drupal. You know our world our code base.

E

It has the capability pretty like very sophisticated modern user, friendly searches, yep anything that you can do sort of like rocket science like solar, just completely sucks yeah. So.

A

We need to do like the real answer here is gonna be exposing the search index to views, because what people are gonna want, their search to do on their site is gonna, be you know the standard is like search the body field, but like we want more than that and I think that if we can let people build their own search with views where they can build their own facets and filters the way that they normally do.

A

That's going to be the big win and right now the way that search in a uses super-limited, it's just like. Oh, if you happen to add a search field, then it'll join to the search table, but there isn't really any way to like customize what that is in the fact that the way we define our like search snippets is really bizarre with a special View mode and the search result string is it's all just long key and I think you're totally right that this is low-hanging fruit?

A

It's something that is a problem everywhere and I think that if we can get the search part of things working better and then integrate that with the views interface that people can customize that search result. Page I mean that's gonna, be our real win. Oh yeah.

E

I mean just things that are like easy for for jubblies to do in terms of like hierarchical taxonomy, and things like that. If, if the, if the way that's displayed to the user is, is you know you you just type in your hypo taxonomy into this field and suddenly you're faceted search?

E

Is you know, carving through your content, that you know every little nonprofit and small medium businesses is gonna, be totally on top of that, like I I know all sorts of things, all sorts of installations that have installed solar just to get faceted search, yeah.

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E

And like like, they don't need any of the performance and, and they sure as hell, don't need. You know the the upkeep of like running a separate Java stack, yeah.

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E

Order to just get facets.

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B

If we have a like search that issue ID or mendler, but if you we thought, maybe was really old one, but I can look into that.

D

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I think this would be great, like I, would love to get all of these ideas jotted down somewhere and have them meta. That's like here are the things we know we need like easier facets: integration with views, smarter default search and all this stuff, an API actually use mostly weak, suits yeah thanks to search. That's all this.

B

A

The kind of thing we rolled out like with we don't one for past entirely new search whatever's. That would be a huge limb, so.

B

Is it something that.

E

Actually, updates your your search index without you having to write a crontab entry or in sort.

A

Of half that already, because backdrop runs its own cron now every hour, yeah.

D

Yeah, it turns out, we have an issue, as a team pointed it out and guess who filed it. You.

A

Thank you, Jim. Okay, yes, that'd, be great to work on, but I think in terms of outreach, fixing the module seems to lay out search, is high-priority and I want to deploy that and get you eyes on. It I think it's already gonna help that searching will do the right thing and then next up for that is right. Now the search results takes the entire page and what I thought about doing was shifting it, so that only takes like three-quarters of the page and then in the sidebar.

A

I wanted to put results for things that aren't module seems really outs like we have a content type, that's called a placeholder, which is a description for why that module is not neat necessary in that dress so, like if somebody searches for token right now, it will come up with nothing and they'd be like well. I can't use that drop until there's a token module, but you're like no. No, no that's in core right, so I created a placeholder thing that was like token module. This isn't necessary for backup anymore cause. It's functionally.

A

It's included with core, and so just having that. Come up in the sidebar would be like no results found, however, hmm so I just had an idea where I was like. Maybe it should not be no results, um but anyway, what we'll figure out a way to get that that information to people cylinder you, because.

D

I mean phone messages now look what we have the info messages now.

A

A

Could be useful, you mean in see.

D

How webform module at some point included a painful message to promote contributions, Teodoro I think all the Drupal Association. If we would need to convey something to users. We have info messages now, but.

A

I, don't think that's relevant first search results.

D

Wherever sits being used in the admin like in the backend like for site builders, saying eh, you can do this now, you can improve things. This.

B

Whiteboard, so many searches in the admin bar for token or well, we've cited.

D

Administrator starts configuring. Their sets.

D

To do things, but previously we're not available in Drupal.

A

Like when we roll out the search module changes, okay, I can see. Oh that could be relevant there.

A

Okay, my velocity agenda when.

F

Do we really wanted to find a use for info messages, yeah.

A

He's just seeing them everywhere.

D

B

You can use them. That would be a painful message here.

A

We go alright, so next on the agenda, module seemed something else: we've got a bunch of plans for that. Okay, next, an agenda homepage demo link so last week. I think we talked about this and this is I'm meeting to. UM But we have a page on backdrop: CMS org, where you can go, and it's just got a button that says like fire up your new demo site and you click it and you get one.

A

And so the next step is to I have found an issue that was like changing some language on that page or like positioning the texts differently or something like super minor cleanup. We need to get those done and then and I think that's hard-coded in the module. So it's not an edit denote sort of thing and then we need to hook up the button on the home page or just try a demo to the actual page that tries the demo and then we need to build the other page.

A

I think we already have it, but we need to check on the other page and make sure it's okay, if it says other ways to install backdrop and that would have to Pantheon in the D dev in the lando and.

A

Any other way you can think of how to do shared hosting options or what have you and then then that would be done. Okay,.

D

Another way that we could take advantage of that that I thought of see how we mentioned that we should have a pre-release before they release to avoid the problems that we had this time. Yes,.

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D

We had a secondary button that says, try different answers in the latest brands. Instead of the stable like a secondary button, we could add people just to test things there. Just a thought.

A

Because the homepage is like for selling backdrop and we don't want to sell people, something that might be buggy, we want to sell them. The version that's stable and I think that a tester early version is really for people who are already sold on backdrop. So we've got kind of a conflict of.

A

Target audience here: yeah, maybe.

D

We have a developer, a search and a thing is that just the documentation when you check roughly in video tour, we have a section for developers, oh yeah yeah, but I think that might be the foundation only it's.

A

In there it's in the handbook somewhere it's in a book, a book yeah, we definitely could put it like a sidebar block in that section, it's like try the latest step of the backdrop in that way. If developers are they're, reading stuff, they'll see that and they'll be like oh yeah. So that's a good idea um can Simon create an issue.

A

In the backdrop, CMS or q2 add a sidebar block to the developer section of whatever book those pages are in so that we can promote the pre-release and then we should add, add a bullet to the minor release checklist to update the pre-release link. This little that'll probably do is go to the preview. I think that's what Nate called it last time version, and then we just need to make sure that that's you know when we do a major release.

A

We remove that and then, when we have a like in that window between countries and release, we have link there so somewhere in procedure. So just a document that.

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A

All right, so the next item on the agenda is regular blog posts. I think our last blog post is the one on the latest version of backdrop, which is good. I love, ooh, ooh,.

A

Gregory you're working on a new blog post I got excited sorry, uh yeah.

D

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D

A small thing it was today because Olaf mentioned when I said, a people that I consider out doing your profiles to the backs of CMS did a full profile. All it says, I can't find how to do that. I mean oh good.

B

A

Yeah, so I would love the blog post about the pre-release to be up when we send the newsletter and newsletter isn't going until we fix these issues that we've got currently and then once we get those issues fixed full row at a new release, rillettes a newsletter and we'll push the whole thing to Pantheon, which I'm hoping will be this week, we'll ask Nate about it in the next meeting and maybe set a date, and then, after that, we should publish this blog post great three years.

A

On that backdrop, on Drupal thing and get everybody who's working on backdrop to in any way to put their name on there, which would be great and then do we have any ideas for another blog of us I. Think.

D

That what this also does is it allows you, when you make a comment in Lidl to work or, if you post, a that's for something that we fixed for ddokbokki can also tributes credits to backrub CMS. So that would be love to tell first of all, yeah.

A

Nate's been doing that I know anytime. He works on something it works on both he attributes backdrop and I tend to be a little torn because most of the time I'm working on stuff- it's like oh I'm, doing this for a client and so I kind of want the client to get the credit and I'm like I'm, gonna change like the parent organization to backdrop and then the child organization of the client but yeah. So it's a for me together way around it in there.

A

But yeah anyone who's working on anything backdrop related on Drupal, definitely feel free to add that wherever you feel um other ideas for blog posts, is there anything really cool that you guys are working on right now you want to share with the world Tim's doing something cool. He just doesn't want to share it with the world how's that smoke the secret okay.

A

Well, we've got a.

A

Bunch of events coming up, we could promote it's the beginning of triple camp season, I'm, not sure we've done it. I got recap for the stuff from last year.

A

Let's see we have ideas here, retaining modules for backdrop, security integrations. We should get community spotlights going. Ok, I will send the email I keep meaning to do. This. I'm gonna make a note for myself to our content team about upcoming newsletter. Now that tim has a blog post for them to work from and about community spotlight, cuz I would love to get those going again. If they could do some interviews write up some posts. That would be great eh.

D

In less time, I was asked to provide a photo or whatever and the spotlight could be of me, but that was like a year or a year and a half ago, I haven't done it I think there's even initials right, yeah.

A

That should not be a blocker if you don't have a photo of you like in the Australian outback or wherever it was that they wanted a picture of you I think even your like user profile sketch would be totally fine to get that I post up and if you do have a better one like you know, Jeff will live there and it's pretty cool, that's great, but I, don't think it should prevent publishing of the blogpost. So we'll find somebody to do that. I know. Pictures are hard.

A

Somebody asked me the other day for, like I sent a picture from 2015 and like don't, you have a more recent one and I'm like no I know I can't you take them right now and I'm like no.

A

D

The same situation, wherever there's there's things happening, I always have photos of me taking like from like, but ah photos of others taken by me, like my family, my friends, but not myself,.

D

Or I don't care yeah.

D

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A

Okay factor of Planets: this is ready. We just need to set up what luinis aggregator module on backdrop I'm using that on a client site right now, so I know that it works for back trap, which is good, and then we just need to have some process for getting people pupils, individual vlogs, added to the planet, so I know Nate and I have done some blogging about backdrop with impasse. So I can throw those two links and there is a starting point, but it'll be good to get um more than that for when we launch.

A

So, if anyone else does any fog push they've been running on backdrop on their own blogs, which it does have done ah and then we should. We have an issue queue for the planet specifically or should we have people use backdrop CMS to org like if they want to get their sites added to the planet on drupal.org, there's a special queue where you create an issue and then somebody there goes. Oh, you need a taxonomy term specifically for Drupal posts, and then once you create it, then they grant you access so be good.

A

To have a place. To have that conversation, we could use the forum, the forum that might be public I'm, not sure people want their are conversations. Okay, fair enough I mean maybe the I suppose that issue queue is public too. It's just a different kind of public yep.

D

Or will ask them to time enum theater if they have an account and then within like if they feel that the conversation should be private, they can pn people or people can't be in them. So.

E

What's the conceptual difference between planet and the mentioned section of backdrop that or okay.

A

We don't have to maintain planet anytime. Anybody makes their own post the web site will automatically scrape it and put it up where we're right now. The mentioned section is something we just created because we didn't have an automatic tool. Okay,.

E

So it's the same kind of same kind of audience, same kind of thing. Yes,.

D

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D

Of problem we're trying to solve, but back when we started the mentions, we didn't have anything.

D

A

What we do with the planet, people have to opt in, so it would be like one organization. That's writing. A lot of posts on backdrop would want to be part of Planet, whereas with mentions, we can find them and put them there whether they want it. What if it has to be there or not? Well,.

E

I'm just curious what the overlap is because they they both seem to be easier and harder in different ways. So the problem of mentions, as you say, is that the the administrative team has to take energy to do it, but with the automatic aggregator, the contributors have to have to be pretty heavily involved, and you know the.

A

Once-Great, look at the very beginning, they're gonna, say: I'm gonna write a lot of posts on backdrop and as soon as they get signed up once then every future post is automatic, whereas with mentions every single time someone has to be involved. Is it.

E

Would plan it be a subset, a superset of mentions like would it include weekly.

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E

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If any of the mentions that we have on our site now are like from my blog and then I were to opt-in to plan.

C

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I would probably go into leap, they mention them pointed to my blog, because it would also be in Planet, but I have a feeling that a lot of the stuff that's in mentions now aren't people who are going to be opting in they're, just I wrote one article or something like tags, one or something like a news source, and so those wouldn't necessarily be opted into the planet for long term. Future publications yeah if.

D

You look at the that the total I think it's three or four pages of the mentions. You will see that there's very few people that repeatedly added articles and they're all like unique sources and I usually grab them from the internet like every once a month or second month or just Google uh trop CMS, and see if new results come up.

D

E

Right well, I mean I mean that strikes me as very as very valuable and and kind of buried in in our current thing. If, if there's a way to get that to surface a little bit better for people that.

A

E

At the like, what's backdrop face or I'd like to try to when people are searching for things like that, you.

D

Know it could be a person that just attended the DrupalCon or a Drupal event and then a backdrop session was there and they want to talk about it, but then they forget about it. So it's not people that necessarily get hooked. It might be a first impression.

E

No no I know I'm singing the praises of you of you're working with mentions. Actually III have a Flipboard magazine that I created like a long long time ago for backup things to to put stuff in which I didn't find much on my own, but but I dumped. All the mentions into that. Like I, just won three one night over an hour like copied. Each monkey.

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E

Let me put the Lincoln in here, so you can see it cuz.

A

E

Like it's there's good stuff in there I it's kind of compelling when presented yeah.

D

E

It has as a as.

D

A collection of things, so the mentions, started off as I think the first, the first days of backdrop when it was announced, as in sort of like what people are saying about us, then it evolved to become a are people actually mentioning? Is there something happening? Are people looking into backdrop and it just became a historic sort of like thing just the people can reference.

D

What but Zen is talking about, like the difference between Planet Drupal and the RSS feed that I'm subscribed to as well. Is that there's certain companies that form maybe their own reasons like to attract people? It could be the marketing team. We just have a regular like one of their marketing team for, say something about Drupal, but then it usually ends in. If you wanna approaches for our services, like the last paragraph will be something like that.

D

Where is the most of the posts that I have gathered from the net till now are like mostly he's how, in my dreams with backdrop either they have personally tried it or when they have attended a what you call at an event. So I think that the there might be a seeming overlap, but it's not actually so it's it's like not that that the the links from the mentions cannot be added to the I. Think.

A

We should have one one like you that includes both dimensions and aggregator items and then not yet they'll, be you know interspersed in and still sort of by date, and that way people will find both of them. We can still call them mentions.

A

So then, let's just put something on the page and then I think we can find some way to get that information more prime, like right now it's in in the news section, but it's only in the news section of the site we might want to put that into the sidebar like on the other. Some of the other pages you having.

D

Having something like the Drupal plan is the backdrop liquid aluminum on it. We simply take some load off of the people that actually regularly contributes, as in by radicals about backdrop in the fact that we don't, we only have them once sort of like octane, as you said for that, and then it's time it's time that they write something and they target as backdrop it gets automatically added. So it automates sort of like a crowdsource is something sure.

D

So yeah we should have both I'm.

A

Good all right so I will because I'm doing work on the site today. I will add a greater module and we can test it and play with it a little bit, but it'll probably need some themeing and integration so we'll see where that goes.

A

Okay, next newsletter is going to be about the release: I'll email, the marketing team, about that videos. Anyone working on videos for backdrop, I keep saying: I'm gonna do them, but then somehow it ends up being hard or complicated, or the thing that I thought was gonna. Be five minutes takes me five hours and nobody wants to see that mixing core searched a lot harder than they thought it was gonna, be.

E

Don't assume that don't assume that nobody wants to see that I I looked in my little youtube channel, I I looked at at the stats for, like anything I've ever posted in my life and and by far the number one hit is. Is your talk on twig at ebb, dark as it has more views than everything else that posted combined? So you know there's that well.

A

That's exciting.

A

Search module is just not know, well just we'll fix it and then we'll do a video about like the couple it is now. Let's do that. Instead, that sounds much better. All right, okay, um backdrop tweets. What's going on right now and we'll the backdrop and we need to share about. We have some upcoming events. I think I just mentioned the next. Let's see, there's triple camp Florida, I'm, not sure who's going to that one, but it's a big one.

A

It's coming up and then there's triple camp Midwest gerbil camp, which is we're gonna, have a backdrop. Training and I just submitted a bunch of talks to gerbil camp well, just like the middle of the summer. I'm not sure they're gonna accept them, but I figured I'd put them out there anyway, so they haven't been there. Yet does anything else, anyone's planning on doing this summer that we should add to the calendar the tweet about what's wrong.

E

Do IDO Stanford it's gonna, have a Drupal camp in this frame, sometimes.

A

They only come out with the website like a couple weeks ahead of time. It's usually in April I think if I remember correctly, yeah but yeah. If they send an email, I'll go because it's close, but yeah sometimes don't find about it about it and don't.

D

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It's next week: okay, good! That's fine! I'll cancel my clients, I.

F

Will probably submit something to Minnesota minibar, which.

A

F

Minibar, it's a huge Bart camp type event where anybody can submit anything it's at the Best Buy headquarters and in Minneapolis, and they have like a thousand people show up nice and anybody can submit anything and then people can vote on it and you just get. They basically have a hundred sessions in a day and you get a room assignment based on how many people vote for your thing. But it's like there's no selection process, so yeah.

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F

No, it all happens, preview back so you'd to the earlier use of a professional, the better, the more votes you'll get but Dad. So I'll try and get something on their agenda. That's in late April and it's just a one-day event and we'll see what happens print cities Drupal campus. Now it's got one date yet so.

D

It's really early for.

F

D

But also the the next Drupal South was announced, it's gonna be in Tasmania this year. I'm gonna buy for session has been three years since I last talked in yourself about John Bertram. Last change.

A

Okay, well, if you guys get stuff up, put it go ahead and put it um if you have links to anything, go ahead and put it on the events page on back trip to mr. org, and if you want to tweet about it, let Timur I know um we can tweet and yeah anything else that is happening in relevant. We will try and tweet.

A

Yes, that's it anything else. We should talk about about outreach.

C

F

About outreach yeah.

A

We're open, okay,.

C

F

Fallen down on the the online user group, I'd like to get something on the schedule again, I think our next topic was going to be layouts when house I think we were just gonna go at the same time on a Tuesday, yeah I think next week would probably be too soon, but I could try or something today, for two weeks a week from it Thursday, okay,.

E

I I also have to schedule. You know one or more user group meetings, so is that like I got the drop now so I'll uh I'll see y'all later, okay, okay,.

C

F

I want to raise one other thing and that's just a question about sort of metrics. What what can we be looking at to judge if we're having an impact on outreach like downloads, like I, don't know.

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F

About that or what do you? What do you look at when you're trying to see you.

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F

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Of people that show up in the contribute, I think is a good indicator where they're, either like asking for modules or reporting that they're working on modulus is definitely a sign of like actual adoption. So that's good number is.

F

There any way to quantify that like to say you know any stats that show how many different people have posted in the last month. I.

A

Just eyeball it every week and I'm like it's, not a new name, yes Dom, so I, don't know that I have any like actual metric in my mind's, just like oh good, new people are coming. That's great and that's kind of all. It's like. Is it one more than it wasn't whatever that's good, but yeah getting some kind of actual.

A

Understanding of like what that growth rate looks like would be really good too, because I have a feeling like when we send the newsletters and do all of the like tweets with all the new features. There's kind of like right after a release, there's an uptick and then you know it gets quiet in the middle and then before release. There's like a little uptick, there's a lot of activity and then it kind of quiet in the middle of the next one.

A

So it would be good idea to see that and then we would know for sure, like okay well between when we're not doing anything right code.

A

We do more stuff with the outreach, would be good um and then I absolutely number of backdrop, sites that are currently reporting and that number keeps going up, which is good and then I think we should also like I, haven't looked at the Google Analytics for a while, but I think just getting an idea of like traffic on a site would be good and if we can put in a specific action for like clicking on the try, a demo button. That might also be really.

D

I was about to say that an indicator would be the amount of demo sites that will be gets. Pinged up, yeah.

A

And we can ask Pantheon for how many demo sites they have like that people have set up, but I think that that might not be as good an indicator as when we get the new site up, because it does require having a Pantheon account or setting one up, which is a bit of a blocker for people who don't already have one so yeah. Maybe we should prioritize demo button and Google Analytics like a specific event for clicking on that button.

A

We can also get traffic to that page like the follow up page would be good, so yeah that I think will be better going forward and Wes made us a dashboard at some point that reported all of our Google Analytics stuff. In a way that was super useful, not sure we're ever gonna find it again.

A

I think we just have to ask him I, don't know. Maybe it's somewhere and I, don't know, I'll, try and find it and see, but that would be good to just take a peek at that and see what it's been doing for the last.

B

A

Years or whatever, since you set it up, they don't have like charts and graphs and stuff on it, so that could be fun rather than just a bunch of numbers. I.

B

Think that comes.

D

To mind now before, I forget it, because we keep mentioning it, but I, don't recall having it like on the agenda so that we can find ways about what going about it is how we could allow users to find people near them involved with backdrop like same country, same area, so I'm not sure what we've done. I recall the time somewhere in Drupal.

D

There was like a map, and it was maybe I'm thinking about a different thing, because I think it was if people were posting issues or something that it had an effect of bubbling things in the in the world. Map of who is doing something around the globe but yeah. If we could so.

A

I think we have under support service providers.

A

Contractors, so we have a page that doesn't have a link to it anywhere. You just have to know it exists, Airmen, throw in here it's a list of all of the people who have marked themselves as being a contractor available for hire, and there is a search box there for country. So if you wanted to find any contractors in your country, you can do it, but this is not like all people on the site.

A

It's only people who have specifically opted into being a contractor, but at least it's a step in the right direction and then I think Tim. We started using the forum to for geographic region student. We was there a couple topics there about. Are there any people? And no you don't remember that. Maybe we may be better I mean.

F

Somebody did ask in the forum about how do I contact people in my area and I think you suggested the same thing. I haven't seen I mean, though I think the way that's probably the most effective in Drupal is groups to have drupal.org right, Norman, cool and I. Don't know that that's a practical option for us, but there might be something like. Maybe there is a section on the forum yeah. We.

A

Really could support groups because we're gonna need it for backdrop eventually, anyway, instead of a group site, I just feel like groups was so great for Drupal at the time, because there wasn't anything else like that right.

A

Where now we already have a bunch people using things like meetup and stuff, where I think the main purpose of those groups has been offloaded to other tools and then for people signing up for a group is much lower, so we're not gonna get the same kind of volume of like everybody in the Bay Area is in the Bay Area group, so finding some other way that I think is easier for people to identify who's in their local area might be good, and because we are collecting this geographic information on the user profiles on backdrop, see master work already.

A

That seems like a good place to do it. We just need to figure out how so I think like. If you're gonna, publicly state your location, maybe we should have a map. That's just like search on the map find out how many people are in the US or how many people are in Mexico or wherever it is that you've listed yourself is game. Drupal.

D

Has a slack channel and this sort of like a slack channel, what you would call it yeah company thing official and there is an Australia New, Zealand Channel in it. It has all the channels like admin, UI and migration, like with the initiatives or specific topics for focusing on them, but I I found I'm not doing very much on the Australians even thing my handle is the backdrop CMS guy. So it's time that I post, something or at least they know that we have some presence.

D

So if anyone is interested at some point, I guess that they would just you know me and ask me about that, or if there is an event, I can go just really quickly. I, don't want to sort of like being truly but I can say if we have, if we ever have a meet-up or an event like the parties that you guys were having I could post something there, but it would be better if we had something equivalent.

D

That I mean not a slack or a dealer channel, but something that we can use to to reach out to back to people and say: hey I'm, organizing this or hey. Would anyone be interested in finding out more about backdrop or meeting up once a month or something like that so.

A

Another thing, too, is we could have like we have a checkbox on the user profile that asks people if they want security updates. If we had a whole section that was for mailing lists that were security updates was one of them. We could add, like our normal newsletter, mailing list, which is currently on MailChimp, not at all connected to backdrop, so you must org.

A

We can integrate that and we could also add, like send me location, specific information specific to my geographic location, checkbox, and that way, if we did have an event like a bad camp from one notify everyone in California or like a turtle South wanted to notify everyone in Australia. We would have that resource and people would have a way to opt-in and opt-out right there on their profile.

A

So I think that might be a good tool we could use for that, because it's connected both to their user profile, which has their location into the it could be to the mailing list. Yeah.

D

That makes sense you want to add an item I've already created a ticket by the way for for the integration with male gender, not with with the demo the demo of the non-stable, the pre-release okay, I've done that already so I'll create an another ticket for that because, as far as I can tell I'm not visiting that queue very often, but we don't have one for that specific. So you maybe add a topic in the agenda, so we can discuss that. Okay, next time and I'll do I'll create a ticket for it.

F

So let me just throw out there to meetup.com was mentioned and I think a disadvantage to that is. It seems to me that it's moving to pretty much pay service I have an account and I set up a backdrop. User group I meet up.com for the Twin, Cities and I just looked, and we have 15 members, two-thirds of them I, don't know who they are hey.

C

F

Know that a lot of people kind of just sign up for lots of meetups, whether it I think they don't necessarily have a strong commitment to them, but that's 15 people that I can message about. You know when I do a local event yeah, so we might want to look and see. If there's some group way, we can facilitate that or make it I think.

D

Meetups are being used for the Melbourne, meetups I, think other all the regions in Australia as well, but meetup.com is where they organized the yeah I think the monthly meetups or whatever it is. Did you say it's a paid service now.

F

I think I had I know, I paid for my account and I'm pretty sure. I did because it wasn't very useful without it without pain and then yeah like the Twin Cities Drupal user group, we're paying annually. It's not super expensive, I, don't think I, don't know, I want to say, like 25 bucks a year or something okay, yeah. That makes sense. Now it's like making a contribution to bactrim.

F

Do that yeah sure, but it would be nice I, don't know if there is any way that we could have like a an international user, meetup group yeah, where where people could then create local events? Okay,.

A

So you guys look into that and see. It sounds like a model that probably exists for lots of other communities just see if something exists, like maybe see. If WordPress has something like this, maybe Knox they have their own, nameless and stuff, but just see if there's anything that has like a global chapter and a bunch of local ones. That are you.

D

Saying are you saying that meetup comb allows you to set up a group and then have some yeah.

F

I, don't know about subgroups, but you can certainly do events so there could.

D

F

Like a background meetup and then you could have events in different cities, but they would still be. One group with a sudden groups would be nice that so that's what we should look and see if they have anything like that. Yeah.

D

F

Take a look at that Thanks.

D

All right didn't meet up in I mean it all.

A

Right well, we are out of time and we have the developer meeting starting in one minute. So let's go ahead and wrap this up and if either you guys are interested in training in developer meeting we'll see you in a minute thanks everybody for watching, live and watching later.