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A
All
right
today
is
thursday
october
14th.
This
is
our
last
set
of
meetings
before
backdrop
live
next
week.
This
is
the
outreach
meeting,
so
we're
gonna
be
talking
a
lot
about
backdrop
live
quick
introductions
before
we
get
into
it,
though
my
name
is
jen
lampton,
I'm
joining
from
oakland
california.
I'm
feeling
very
overwhelmed
today.
B
C
D
Hi,
I'm
nate
lampton
in
oakland,
california,
quick
sketch
on
the
internet
and
yeah
like
some
others.
I'm
checking
in
to
see
how
backdrop
live
is
shaping
up
and
I'm
excited
about
it.
Coming
in.
We
have
a
lot
of
registrations
that
keep
popping
into
my
email,
which
is
very
encouraging.
Let's
go
to
steve.
E
Yeah
hi
thanks,
I'm
steve,
I'm
in
the
uk
in
yorkshire
or
yorkshire
as
the
outsiders
pronounce
it,
but
as
in
yorkshire,
say
yorkshire
when
we're
staying
a
bit.
This
is
my
first.
I
will
be
my
first
backdrop
live
where
I
host
a
talk,
so
I'm
pretty
excited
about
that
and
looking
forward
to
learning
more
about
the
ins
and
outs
of
what
we
need
to
do
to
to
make
that
happen
over
to.
F
Excuse
robert
I'm
robert
lang,
a
bug
folder
on
the
internet,
coming
to
you
from
altadena
california,
and
I
unfortunately
can't
attend
backdrop
blog
this
time
around,
but
there's
some
things
I
can
do
to
help.
I
will
be
happy
to
do
so
and
I'll
pass
it
to
jason.
G
H
Okay,
I
think
I'm
the
last
one
because
andy
said
he
hit
doesn't
have
a
mic
in
the
chat.
So
my
name
is
tim
erickson,
I'm
in
deerwood,
minnesota
and
yeah
I'll,
just
leave
it
all
consumed
with
backdrop
live
right
now,
so,
let's
jump
into
it,
because
I
think
we've
got
quite
a
bit
to
talk
about
today.
H
I'll
give
a
quick
summary
of
what's
sort
of
been
happening
for
those
who
haven't
been
keeping
up
with
the
flood
of
stuff
in
in
zulip
and
other
places.
Help
me
with.
We
have
a
volunteer
that
has
a
step
forward
to
help
with
the
website,
which
has
really
helped
move
things
forward
forward.
Sometimes
the
website
has
been
the
last
thing
to
get
attention
before
backdrop
live
and
we're
we're
ahead
of
the
the
game
a
little
bit,
which
is
good.
H
H
What
that
has
meant
is
that
we
we
also,
I
would
say
that
in
terms
of
registrations
and
the
scheduling
topics
that
were
ahead
of
where
we've
been
in
any
of
the
last
three,
this
is
our
fourth
backdrop
live
by
the
way.
The
first
one
was
a
year
ago
about
this
time,
and
I
would
I
I
don't
know
if
we're
ahead
of
where
we
were
on
that
first,
one
which
might
have
been
the
most
work,
but
certainly
over
the
last
one
or
two
we're.
H
We
have
more
registrations,
we're
at
about
25
right
now
and-
and
our
schedule
is
fuller
than
I
think
it's
been-
which
I
think
is
a
good
thing.
We
we
want
to
keep
a
loose,
flexible
schedule.
We
want
for
people
to
be
able
to
to
nominate
and
declare
topics
on
the
day
of
the
event,
but
it's
nice
to
have
some
some
stuff
seeding
the
schedule
and
I
think,
we're
in
pretty
good
shape
there.
So
why
don't?
H
H
So
this
this
is
our
spreadsheet
schedule,
and
this
is
you
know
one
of
the
the
the
difficult
things
we've
had
is.
We
haven't
had
a
really
great
system
for
for
sort
of
signing
people
up
and
scheduling
sessions
in
a
way
that
sort
of
syncs
with
our
website
and
we've
have
some
pieces
in
place
where
we
might,
in
the
future,
be
able
to
have
people
nominate
and
and
schedule
sessions
themselves
right.
Now,
it's
a
little
bit
difficult,
so
we're
running
the
spreadsheet.
This
has
been
the
only
place.
H
We
had
a
schedule
until
last
night
as
of
last
night,
everything
on
this
schedule.
Well,
I
won't
say
that,
because
things
are
popping
up
that
I
didn't
see
just
a
couple
hours
ago,
so
there's
some
things
that
might
be
here
on
this
schedule
that
are
not
on
the
website
right
now.
The
only
way
to
sync
those
is
the
fact
that
I
am
looking
at
this
and
enough.
Other
people
want
to
help
me.
H
That's
great,
I'm
looking
at
the
schedule
every
couple
of
hours
and
at
least
while
I'm
awake
and
when
I
do,
I
can
make
sure
the
website
gets
updated.
It's
it's
not
a
hard
thing
to
cut
and
paste.
H
This
may
be
an
accident
this
time.
Slot
2
should
be
just
our
welcome
session.
That's
when
we've
traditionally
done
it
on
the
website.
I've
sort
of
listed
a
number,
a
number
of
members
of
the
leadership
team,
nate
john
myself,
other
pmc
members
as
the
host
for
that
in
the
past,
I
think
nate
you
have
shouldered
the
the
weight
of
sort
of
facilitating
that
session.
Should
we
talk
at
all
about
that
right
now
like
what
we
want
to
do
during
that
time
block
that
would
be
wonderful,
okay,.
D
So,
that's
probably
why
you're
here?
Actually,
no
I'm
just
wanting
to
get
the
full
update,
but
this
is
very
helpful
because
this
first
session
I'm
wondering
what
kind
of
prominence
or
importance
it
should
be.
It
should
be
given
like
last
time.
I
prepared
a
bunch
of
remarks
for
the
core
update,
but
then,
when
I
found
out,
we
didn't
really
have
much
in
the
opening
session
slot
prepared
beforehand.
D
I
basically
just
used
my
core
update
for
the
opening
session
instead,
so
I
guess
maybe
like
just
like
what
the
topic
is
or
if
this
is
supposed
to
be
like
our
keynote
like
establishing
what
kind
of
importance
this
first
presentation
is.
I
think
that
would
that
would
be
very
helpful
for
determining
its
content.
H
Yeah,
I
I
believe
at
the
first
backdrop,
live.
We
did
kind
of
a
small
group
activity
in
this
that
I
thought
actually
worked
fairly.
Well,
I
don't
know
that
we've
done
that
since
jen.
Do
you
remember.
A
I
think
we
used
it
as
like
an
introduction
and
let
everybody
sort
of
talk
to
each
other,
which
is
something
that
I
don't
know
I
feel
like.
We
should
do
more
of
it's
a
community
building
exercise.
It
is
hard
to
scale
that
so
I
don't
know
if
it
might
be
worth
planning
now
that
we
know
how
to
use
breakout
rooms,
we
could
say,
assign
half
the
people
to
each
room
or
something
and
let
some
group
of
people
go
around
and
talk
about
it.
A
A
So
one
thing
we
might
do
is
when
we
go
around
and
do
the
introductions
we
could
say
if
you
could
tell
us
what
you're
hoping
to
learn
through
this
event,
that
might
spark
some
inspiration
for
people
to
then
lead
a
discussion
on
that
topic,
whether
it's
that
person
or
someone
else
was
like.
Oh,
I
have
something
to
share
in
that
area,
so
that
could
be
useful.
H
A
30
yeah
yeah
so,
but
that
event
was
also
more
well
attended
in
the
last
few.
H
Right
and
for
those
I
mean
I
want
to
say,
we
had
like
60
to
70
registrations
for
the
first
one,
but
a
bunch
of
people
registered
and
didn't
participate.
I
think
we've
been
at
around
30
to
30
to
40
for
the
last
couple.
So,
although
I
think
given
where
we're
at
today,
we
have
the
the
chance
of
breaking
50
this
time,
release
registrations.
H
H
B
D
With
me
that
this
is
the
first
session
of
the
day
and
if
we
were
to
get
other
presentations
potentially
like
from
other
people,
it
might
be
the
best
time
to
solicit
them
for
those
talks,
and
I
guess
maybe
that
doesn't
need
to
be
a
long
thing,
but
it
could
be
if
we
wanted
to
somehow
you
know,
I
don't
I
don't
know,
maybe
that'd
be
like
pulling
teeth
like
formalized,
like
you
know,
brainstorming
topics,
you
know
and
then
and
then
trying
to
get
individuals
to
actually
present
on
them.
D
I'm
thinking
about
the
nonprofit
developer
summit
that
jen
and
I
attend
pretty
frequently
that
it's
kind
of
like
it's
a
real
circus,
if
you
will
like
at
the
beginning,
but
they
have
a
unique
ring
leader
in
their
camp.
That
really
just
like,
can
just
draw
people
out
into
giving
presentations
and
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
a
a
pattern
that
can
be
replicated.
A
So
one
thing
that
you
just
made
me
think
of
nate
is
that
if
we
had
someone
who,
during
that
first
session,
just
wrote
down,
you
know
every
time
someone
said
I'm
interested
in
learning
x.
They
just
wrote
it
down
and
then
at
the
end
of
the
introductions,
they're
like
okay,
we
have
you
know
10
people
who
say
they're
interested
in
city
crm
and
you
look
around
the
room
and
go
laren.
A
You
know
something
about
what
would
you
like
to
like
it
is
we
could
pull
some
teeth
and
and
help
get
some
of
those
sessions
on
the
on
the
schedule,
but
I
think
something
that
happened
last
year.
That
was
interesting
too,
is
that,
as
the
event
went
on,
we
had
people
discover
that
they
wanted
to
do
sessions,
and
I
think
it
would
be
nice
to
still
leave
room
for
that
too.
So,
if
we
don't
have
the
idea
in
the
opening
session,
we're
still
having
a
place
to
have
that
discussion
later
is
valuable.
H
Are
people
noticing
that
sessions
are
popping
up
as
we
talk,
which
is
exciting?
On
the
other
hand,
to
john's
point
right
now
we're
almost
getting
to
this
stage,
where
the
schedule's
starting
to
fill
up
and
more
breakout
rooms
right.
That's
what
I
was
about
to
suggest
is
that
what
we
could
do
and
I
would
wait.
I
would
like
force
this
schedule
to
fill
up
first,
but
that
we
open
up
another
room,
a
third
room
right.
H
You
know
right
before
the
event,
so
that
we
have
a
full
slot
where
people
can
add
things
so
well.
It
sounds
to
me,
like
we
have
some
consensus
that
maybe
going
back
to
that
idea
of
focusing
on
introducing
people
finding
out
what
they're
looking
for
and
scheduling
topics
is
how
we
should
use
that
first
session.
H
I
I
agree,
I
mean
that's
the
the
sort
of
open
source
or
the
the
unconference
way
of
doing
it.
I
would
love
to
be
to
do
that.
I
have
found
that
when
I've
tried
to
do
it,
it
feels
like
pulling
teeth
and
that
I
haven't
been
good
at
it.
I
think
it's
a
skill
that
a
really
good
facilitator
can
do
much
better.
H
I
think
the
the
the
the
the
the
ideas
that
jenna
native
just
both
proposed
would
make
it
easier
like
that
idea
of
having
everybody
not
to
not
ask
them
to
propose
a
session,
but
just
ask
them
to
say
what
topics
are
they
interested
in?
What
are
they
here
to
learn
about,
and
then
writing
that
all
down
and
then
sort
of
using
that
to
create
sessions
that
might
work.
D
That's
a
great
idea-
and
I
like
I
like
the
idea
of
just
being,
like
you
say,
unconferency
plus-
that
also
make
it
so
it
from
my
perspective.
That
also
frees
up
things.
A
lot
for
me
that,
like
last
time
having
to
present
two
presentations
that
were
kind
of
on
the
same
topic,
was
a
little
bit
challenging
yeah.
So
I'm
definitely
in
favor
of
this.
H
A
A
If
we
immediately
go
into
let's
build
a
schedule,
they
might
feel
a
little
lost,
and
so,
if
we
did
like
even
just
five
or
ten
minutes
with
like
this
backdrop,
this
is
you
know
how
our
community
works.
This
is
how
the
event
works.
I
think
that
might
help
orient
people
a
little
more
so
yeah
I
mean
even
just
a
couple
sentences.
I
think
so
people
are
sure
they're
in
the
right
place
and
welcome,
even
though
they
don't
have
any
knowledge
yet.
H
Well,
let
me
say
something
about
this
backdrop:
live
orientation,
that's
on
the
schedule
before
that,
because
maybe
we
don't
need
that
we
did.
We
sort
of
set
the
schedule
to
start
at
7
a.m,
pacific
time,
but
I
think
at
some
point
decided
that
that
was
a
bit
early
to
start
the
opening
session.
So
we
people
requested
that
we
do
that
slightly
later,
so
we
did
so.
H
We
have
this
session
before
that
and
I
I
think
in
previous
backdrop,
lives
just
decided
that
one
thing
we
could
do
during
that
hour
beforehand
was
to
sort
of
have
like
a
welcome
room
where
people
could
come.
Ask
questions
test
out,
there's
some
gear
and
usually
what's
what's
happened.
I
think
I
think
we've
done
this.
The
last
two
backdrop
lives
and
it's
usually
just
been
an
informal
chat.
H
People
show
up,
we
chat
a
little
bit,
but
if
we're
really
focused
on
the
opening
session,
the
way
we're
talking
about
right
now,
we
might
not
need
that.
But
I
don't
know
if
we
just
leave
those
time
slots
open
for
other
sessions
or
what
do
we
do
with
that?
First
of
all,
any
thoughts.
A
H
Let's
yeah,
I
know
to
your
other
point
jen
about
having
sort
of
an
explanation
of
how
that
I
think
you're
right
that
it
should
be
part
of
it
is
and
so
who's
gonna
do
that
who's
in
charge
of
facilities.
Does
anybody
want
to
volunteer
to
facilitate
this
opening
introductions
and
what
we
have
more
than
one
person
involved
and
also
the
the
the
introduction
to
the
conference?
I
mean
I
I
don't
know
if
I'm
the
best
person,
but
I'm
certainly
willing
to
sort
of
do
that
talking
about
how
things
are
gonna
work.
A
I
think
you
would
be
great
at
that
tim
because
you're
so
good.
At
this
event
in
general,
I'm
happy
to
help
write
down
like
take
notes
on
what
it
is
that
people
are
interested
in
learning.
I
usually
do
that
anyway,
just
on
a
notepad
on
my
desk,
but
I'm
happy
to
do
it
in
a
shared
public
document
that
we
can
use
to
choose
sessions
later.
I
would
prefer
not
to
do
the
five
minute.
What
is
backdrop
bit
if
we
have
someone
else
who'd
be
willing
to
do
that.
H
D
Background
I
was
gonna,
I
was
gonna
volunteer
unless
someone
else
wants
to
do
it
so
yeah
I'll,
just
put
myself
ahead
of
jennifer
as
being
that
person,
I
think,
the
more
that
we
can
distribute
the
responsibilities,
the
better
it
looks
and
the
better
it
is.
You
know
both
for
us
and
for
the
attendees.
A
I
would
also
love
it
if
we
got
someone
who
wasn't
already
like
a
person
of
authority
to
do
it
like
a
pmc
member,
a
court
committer,
just
some
random
person
from
the
community
could
just
as
easily
share
what
backdrop
is,
and
perhaps
with
more
passion
than
those
of
us
who
are
neck
deep
in
it
all
the
time.
D
D
Oh
yeah
yeah,
but
not
a
lot
of
people,
see
jack.
You
know
like
in
the
issue
and
stuff
like
that,
but
jack.
D
H
Okay,
well,
let's
work
on
that,
so
we
we
need
to
identify
that
person
on
this
on
a
related
topic.
I
just
plugged
in
the
intro
to
backdrop
session
like
a
full
topic
on
that
right
after
the
opening
session,
without
without
a
facilitator,
because
I
feel,
like
we've
kind
of
in
the
past,
decided
we
need
to
do
that
and
it
seems
like
a
good
idea.
I
think
traditionally
jan
has
done
this,
but
I
feel
like
in
the
spirit
of
what
she
just
said.
H
It
would
be
jen
speak
up
and
interrupt
me,
but
I
feel
like
you
would
be
happy
to
have
someone
else.
Do
that-
and
at
least
you've
indicated
that
in
the
past
so
we're
we
are
looking
for
somebody
to
do
sort
of
an
intro
to
backdrop
session
if
anybody
has
like,
if
we
don't
think
we
need
it
here
or
if
somebody
wants
to
do
it,
but
doesn't
want
to
do
it
in
this
time
slot
raise
that.
I
don't
know
that
it
has
to
be
in
this
time
slot.
It
just
seemed
like
a
good
place.
H
You
know
to
launch
the
day
with
kind
of
that
intro
talk,
I'm
going
to
point
out
that
there
is
another
intro
to
backdrop
on
shared
hosting
that
steve
is
doing
in
time
slot
d,
which
I
don't
have
any
problem
with,
because
this
is
a
very
different
time
slot
it's
going
to
get
different
people.
I
think
steve
is
hoping
to
promote
that
to
folks
in
some
people
in
his
network.
Is
that
steve?
Do
you
want
to
say
anything
more
about
that.
E
Well,
with
savasary
having
problems
18
months
ago,
something
like
that
with
installing
backdrop
I
thought
I'd,
you
know,
try
my
hand
at
trying
to
explain
how
to
do
on
shared
hosting
so
and
give
a
bit
of
a
demo
on
the
the
basics
and
what
it
can
do
out
of
the
box
sort
of
similar
to
what
luke's,
on
about
with
the
ready
to
wear
initiative,
trying
to
sort
of
not
get
into
the
technical
side
of
it
with
css
and
things
like
that,
but
just
to
try
and
open
it
up.
E
I
was
also
hopefully
planning
on
recording
it
again
if
that's
acceptable,
of
course,
if
it's
not
that's
fine,
so
we
can
put
it
out
on
youtube
or
something
else
or
I
could
put
it
out
on
youtube,
etc.
It
wouldn't
be
recording
the
zoom
session.
It
would
be
recording
it
locally
for
me
from
my
computer,
so
none
of
the
zoom,
video
or
video
feeds
would
be
visible
on
there.
E
Although
the
audio,
if
people
ask
questions,
would
be
on
there,
but
we
can
always
edit
that
out
so
again,
if
that's
possible,
so
that's
that's
what
I
was
thinking
there
and
I
thought
would
have
been
an
early
session
as
well.
It
fills
a
slot
even
if
there's
no
one.
That
turns
up
that.
I
would
still
do
it
anyway
and
go
through
the
motions.
E
H
H
Okay,
let's
any
more
thoughts
on
this
intro
session.
H
I
had
been
sort
of
thinking
about
trying
to
to
schedule
sort
of
a
block
of
intro
sessions
in
advance
just
as
sort
of
a
marketing
tool,
although
it's
not
quite
the
the
unconference
spirit,
I'm
starting
to.
As
I
look
at
the
schedule,
though,
I'm
not
so
worried
about
that
and
I
think,
with
our
our
plans
to
sort
of
collect
what
people
want
to
learn
about
and
and
to
fill
in
the
schedule
that
maybe
we
just
do
that
on
the
fly
and
that
we
not
try
to
force
anything
else
right
now.
H
C
H
Was
and
what
was
yours
my
backdrop
for
beginners,
okay
and-
and
you
might
want
to
think
about
how
that
compares
to
the
intro
to
backdrop
session
that
we
might
be
doing
here
or
maybe
that's
good
enough?
We
maybe
we
do
that
instead
of
the
intro
to
background.
C
Beginners
to
cmss
or
or
to
development
generally,
and
an
introduction
to
backdrop
in
that
context
for
them
in
the
opening
session
would
probably
address
those
kinds
of
people
best.
H
H
C
H
H
I
think
it's
worked
pretty
well.
I
think
we
get
our
best
attendance
sort
of
up
to
about
that
session.
People
start
to
drop
off
because
it's
getting
late
for
a
lot
of
people
anytime
after
that,
but
hopefully
we'll
be
picking
up
some
europeans
and
maybe
australians.
H
H
We
should
talk
briefly
about
that.
If
we
want
to
do
any
changes
to
that,
what
I
I
think
I
don't
know
if
we
ever
did
anything
more
structured.
I
think
I
think
it's
pretty
much
just
been
in
every
backdrop,
live
hey.
How
did
things
go
for
you?
What
did
you
learn
and
you
know,
and
what
can
we
do
better
next
time?
I
H
Okay,
so
we'll
just
go
with
that:
basically
a
closing
discussion,
I'm
not
sure
if
the
lack
of
responses
that
people
like
this
or
they
just
don't
have
other
ideas.
A
I
think
it's
good
to
have
something
that
kind
of
caps
off
the
end
of
the
event.
I'm
not
sure
it
really
matters
what
it
is
as
long
as
it's
something
like
everyone
can
kind
of
come
together
and
be
like
hooray,
we
did
it
and
then
paid
off.
So
if
anyone
has
any
ideas
that
would
make
an
excellent
topic
for
closing
plenary,
I
would
love
to
hear
them.
H
I
I
like
the
idea
of
having
at
least
some
time
for
feedback
at
that
session,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
be
the
whole
session
or
it
could
happen
afterwards.
That
could
be
people
just
hanging
out
after
the
session,
but
I
do
like
having
some
sort
of
a
closing
yeah
okay.
Well,
it
sounds
like
we're
going
to
plan
on
just
sort
of
doing
what
we've
been
doing
unless
somebody
proposes
something-
and
we
still
have
time
for
that-
an
alternative.
So
are
there
any
other
questions
about
the
schedule
itself?.
H
Any
concerns
about
the
the
the
content
or
anything
I
mean
I
I
I
feel
really
good
about
it.
Actually,
I
hope
everybody
else
does.
H
Let
me
just
say
about
block
d:
black
d
has
been
the
most
problematic
in
terms
of
getting
participation
in
it.
Steve
has
volunteered
to
sort
of
first
of
all
make
sure
that
we've
got
a
facilitator
there
to
make
sure
that
you
know
the
rooms
are
open
and
working
he's
also
volunteered
to
do
this
one
session.
We
also
have
our
our
german
group,
who
are
going
to
do
kind
of
a
meeting
in
a
german
language
session.
H
I
really
feel
like
we,
we
have
a
catch-22
here
and
that
people
kind
of
write
off
this
session
because
they
assume
nobody's
gonna
come
and-
and
we
don't
have
enough
topics
scheduled
and
then
you
know,
don't
be
right
that
people-
don't
do.
You
know,
put
topics
here
because
they
don't
think
anyone's
going
to
come
and
then
nobody
comes
because
we
haven't
sort
of
seeded
it.
I
think
having
these
two
sessions
is
good,
but
I'd
really
love
to
see
like
one
more
to
just
encourage
people
that
this
is
a
good
time
slot.
H
We
have
had
some
activity
in
this
time
slot
every
time,
but
sometimes
it's
been
like
two
people
or
three
people,
but
I
know
we
have
a
number
of
europeans
that
are
at
backdrop
live
some
of
them.
I
think
just
don't
bother
with
this
session,
because
this
slot,
because
there's
nothing,
there's
nothing
scheduled
so
any
ideas
on
how
to
beef
up
black
tea.
H
Well,
we've
got
steve
and
we've
got
the
the
german
group
already
there,
so
I
don't
know
greg's
not
on
the
call
today.
Greg
greg
is
usually
willing
to
do
something
in
this
time
slot
if
he's
available-
and
it's
just
sometimes
he's
not
sure
until
the
last
minute,
if
he's
available.
So
I
think,
if
greg's
available
he's
likely
to
step
in
and
do
something,
maybe
like
an
intro
to
contribution
during
this
time
slot,
but
I'll
I'll
check
with
him
on
that.
B
Doesn't
go
anywhere
but
are
are:
are
we
locked
into
the
symmetry
of
the
time
slots
of
three
hours
on
and
three
hours
off?
How
important
is
that
to
us
excuses
just
shooting
from
the
hip?
B
You
know
rejected,
but
I
would
prefer
shifting
dna
by
an
hour
and
that
would
put
some
slots
in
d
into
east
coast
daylight
hours,
and
that
would
make
the
beginning
of
e
more
palatable
to
west
coast
us
people.
So
so
I
see
upsides,
but
it
it.
It
varies
from
the
symmetry
and
there
might
be
other
issues
I
haven't
thought
about.
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out.
There.
A
So
my
instinct
is
that
it's
hard
for
people
to
remember
when
things
are
happening
and
three
hours
on
three
hours
three
hours
off
makes
sense
that
you
don't
have
to
like
check
the
calendar
you're
like
okay.
Well,
I
know
it's
break
time
now
and
I
have
three
hours
and
we'll
start
at
x
and
if
you
do
that,
every
time
people
sort
of
get
used
to
that
returning
a
time,
and
if
you
do
one
section
where
it's
like
two
hours,
people
will
come
back
and
be
like.
A
Oh,
I
missed
it
because
they
thought
it
was
three
hours
if
we
made
it
four
hours.
I
don't
know
which
way
you
meant
by
shifting
it,
but
if
you
made
it
four
hours,
I
feel
like
that.
Problem
is
mitigated
a
little
bit,
because
if
people
come
back
at
three
hours
and
they're
early,
they
haven't
missed
anything
yet
and
they
still
have
the
opportunity
to
come
back
later.
So
were
you
playing?
Were
you
talking
about
making
it
earlier
later.
B
H
A
Yeah
that
I
think,
is
less
attractive
to
me,
because
now
people
are
going
to
accidentally
miss
the
first
session
and
if,
if
they
follow
their
three
hours
three
hours
on
on
off
session-
but
I
don't
know-
I
mean
it
it
does.
A
H
E
For
me,
I'm
easier
that
would
work
fine
for
me
anyway.
I'm
normally
up
early,
so
sorting
out
animals
and
things
so
nine
o'clock
is
fine.
10
o'clock
is
fine
without
knowing
what
the
demographics
are
as
a
number
of
people
that
are
using
backdrop
sort
of
across
the
board
across
the
world,
it's
difficult
to
say
how
effective
or
ineffective
moving
it
would
be,
but
again,
there's
no
qualms
for
me
about
moving
it.
I
don't
mind
at
all.
H
B
H
Good,
I
was
totally
open
to
it,
but
if
people
are
comfortable
just
revisiting
this
for
the
next
one
that
works
for
me
too,
should
we
leave
it
at
that?
Okay?
H
Well,
thanks
for
raising
it,
though
luke,
I
think
it's
a
fine
idea.
Let
me
let's
go
to
the
website
where
we've
got
about
20
15
to
20
minutes
left.
H
Here's
me
not
logged
in
at
the
website
right
now,
so
the
there's
two
things
in
particular
I'd
like
to
talk
about
in
this
meeting.
First
of
all,
it's
just
the
big
development
has
been
this
that
that
the
schedule
is
here.
The
issue
that
we're
struggling
well
that
we're
working
with
a
bit
right
now
is
translating
time
zones
we
have
in
the
past,
had
a
big
block
that
that
listed
like
the
time
for
each
block
in
eight
or
nine
different
time
zones
to
help
people
were
for
the
record
right
now.
H
There
are
a
couple
of
modules
that
that
detect
time
zones
and
browsers
and
can
do
the
conversion
jen
has
pointed
out
that
she
had
some
really
bad
luck
with
those
kinds
of
tools
at
a
specific
event,
but
I
think
I
think
we're
leaning
towards
maybe
experimenting
with
them
and
seeing
if
we
can
implement
them
in
a
better
way.
H
Certainly
being
aware
of
the
fact
that
this
could
be
a
problem,
I
think
the
problem
that
you
described
gen
was
that
people
would
get
different
that
that
this
would
perform
differently
on
different
devices,
so
they
might
look
at
their
desktop
and
their
desktop
tell
them.
The
session
was
at
one
and
they
look
at
their
phone
and
their
phone
tells
them
it's
in
three
so
and
I
definitely
see
how
that
could
be
a
problem,
but
that's
what
we're
one
of
the
things
we're
thinking
about-
and
I
know
just
about
everybody-
has
an
opinion
about
that.
F
Robert,
so
what
I
was
going
to
suggest,
I
as
folks
know
in
the
zul
chat
I
suggest,
have
made
one
suggestion
and-
and
I
will
mention
that
the
website
I've
run
used
it
for
a
conference
with
700,
attendees
and
40
from
40
countries
and
didn't
get
complaints.
But
what
I
was
going
to
suggest
as
a
way
to
maybe
dip
bartow
in
the
water
is
to
install
user
timezone
tokens
and
it's
support
modules
and
then
just
try
it
out
on
the
home
page
of
the
site.
F
You've
got
the
schedule
up
now,
but
you
briefly
put
up
the
page,
the
main
page
for
the
event,
and
we
could
just
try
it
out
on
that
page
and
you
know,
give
the
dates
and
times
of
events
and
blocks
and
see
if
that
works,
for
people
and
and
if
it
does
and
there's
no
confusion,
then
consider
moving
it
more
broadly
into
the
schedule.
A
Another
thing,
too,
is
that
we
could
definitely
put
two
times
right
where
one
of
them
is
hard
coded
and
the
other
one
is
adjusted
for
your
local
time
zone,
and
that
way
you
know
one
of
them
will
never
change
regardless
of
what
you're
looking
at
and
if
the
other
one
changes
you
at
least
have
the
opportunity
to
tell
that's
not
my
time
zone,
but
you
also
have
something
where
you
know.
If
you
wanted
to
do
the
math,
if
you
can-
and
that
would
be
pretty
easy
to
like
we've
got
both
versions
there.
A
F
So
I
was
gonna,
even
though
I
can't
attend.
I
was
gonna
volunteer
to
do
that
for
the
home
page.
I
just
need
permissions
to
install
and
configure
modules
and
then
edit
that
page.
A
So
I
think
I
think
you
should
already
have
access
to
the
github
repository
as
being
part
of
the
web
team
when
we
can
put
your
key
on
server.
If
you
need
to
deploy
stuff.
A
C
That's
got
it:
is
this
system
basically
auto,
detecting
their
time
zone
and
then
calculating
what
it
would
be
for
them.
A
Their
time
zone
and
that's
the
thing
that
presented
a
problem
because
in
order
to
ask
someone
their
time
zone,
you
need
to
know
who
they
are,
and
so
that
means
they
either
need
to
be
logged
into
the
site
or
have
a
cookie
and
as
soon
as
you
do,
that
you're
now,
a
different
person
on
different
devices
like
logged
in
logged
out
or
different
cookies.
Or
what
have
you
so
that
gets
hard.
E
A
A
I
think
that
I
mean
backdrop.
Users
might
be
a
little
more
savvy
than
average
at
conference
attendees,
but
like
going
to
the
user
profile
page
to
change
your
time
zone,
wasn't
wasn't
really
something
we
convinced
people
to
do
so.
It's
like
either
auto
detected
correctly
or
they
didn't
know
what
time
things
were
sure.
H
Okay,
well,
I
think
we
have
a
plan
to
try
this.
I
think
the
key,
though,
is
that
we
understand
the
the
problems
that
could
come
up
and
we're
sensitive
to
them.
Also,
if
we
get
something
in
place,
we
do
a
little
pre
conference
testing
specifically
ask
some
people
to
try
this
out
using
different
devices
and
just
see
what
the
results
are
and
if,
if
we're
getting
really
bad
results,
maybe
we
fall
back
before
the
event
we.
H
Sure,
yeah,
okay,
that
seems
like
a
whole
other
a
set
of
possib
possible
problems,
but
we'll
let
that
go
so
there's
that
issue
with
the
website
so
right
now
we're
just
for
today
we're
just
hard
coding
of
the
7pm
pacific
time
this.
This
is
not
what
you
can
expect
to
see,
though
in
a
few
days,
the
one
of
the
great
things
about,
though
getting
this
going
at
all,
is
that
we
can
now
promote
specific
topics
in
social
media,
which
I
think
is
a
great
tool
for
just
promoting
awareness
about
backdrop.
H
Live
it
it
also.
It
gives
the
our
facilitators
and
topic
organizers
the
ability
to
promote
their
topic
much.
You
know
in
a
much
better
way
than
you
could
from
the
spreadsheet.
So
I
know
irina
is
excited
about
that
ability
to
promote
specific
topics.
H
Is
there
any?
The
other
big
issue
on
the
website
is
well,
not
a
big
issue.
It's
a
small
one,
and
maybe
john
you-
and
I
could
talk
about
this
later-
is
that
right
now
is
there
well.
H
H
You
can
log
in
first,
but
you
don't
have
to
you
can
register
during
the
course
of
registration.
It
creates
an
account
for
you.
You
don't
have
to
log
in,
though,
to
be
registered,
which
means
also
that
we
don't
know
for
sure.
H
H
H
Okay,
excellent,
so
that's
one
thing
is
I.
I
would
like
to
have
a
better
sense
of
how
that's
working,
but
the
other
problem.
We're
having
jen
that
may
be
solvable
is
that
a
number
of
people
have
registered
twice
because
they
first
register
before
they've
created
an
account
and
then
they
come
back
and
create
an
account
later.
I'm
not
sure
why
they
feel
like
they
need
to
do
that.
But,
from
my
perspective,
those
people
who
register
without
logging
in
we
don't
have
email
information
for
them
in
their
registration.
H
A
The
registration
module
does
collect
email
address
if
you're
not
logged
in.
However,
it
has
been
customized
for
backdrop
live,
and
I
think
it
intended
to
only
be
used
for
people
who
were
logged
in
and
so
that
email
field
might
be
forcibly
hidden.
So
we
could
either
change
it
so
that
it
works
the
way
we
intended
it
to
be
worked
so
that
you
do
have
to
create
an
account
first
or
we
could
look
at
that
customization
and
make
sure
that
it'll
work
for
either
use
case.
H
Right,
but
I
believe
that
we
have
their
email
addresses,
but
I
believe
that
we
have
them
as
part
of
their
user
account
and
not
as
part
of
their
registration,
and
my
fear
is
that
when
we
use
the
registration
system
to
send
out
updates,
it's
not
going
to
know
what
those
people's
emails
are.
Even
though
they're
in
the
system,
the.
A
H
Right
so,
let's
just
take
a
look
at
that
later,
maybe
most
people
seem
to
have
accounts,
so
this
is
only
affecting
I
don't
know
one
out
of
seven
or
eight
people
that
are
registering
without
you
know,
for
without
first
logging
in
or
creating
an
account.
I
guess
again,
some
of
those
people
have
just
naturally
went
back
and
created
an
account
and
registered
again,
and
so
I
have
a
feeling
that
something
about
that
process
is
making
them
uncertain.
C
H
So,
sir,
I
can
check
in
with
you
in
theory
the
only
the
first
backdrop
live.
Did
we
use
eventbrite
the
last
three
last
two,
the
last
two.
We
used
this
system
and
we
did
keep
accounts.
So
if
you
registered
for
either
of
the
last
two
two
backdrop
lives,
your
account
should
still
work.
If
it's
not
working,
then
that's
a
problem.
We
just
need
to
solve.
Okay,.
H
If,
if
nobody
has
any
more
questions
about
the
website
and
I'm
and
it's
probably
okay,
if
we
go
a
little
bit
over
right,
because
if
we
need
to
I'd
like
to
talk
just
about
last
minute
promoting
of
the
event
but
before
I
do
that
any
last
minute,
questions
about
the
site
itself
or
you
know,
concerns
or
things
you'd
like
to
see
us
do
with
the
site.
H
H
Okay,
not
hearing
any
and
being
short
on
time.
I
think
the
last
thing
I
want
to
do
is
is
talk
about
outreach
and
what
we
can
do
again.
I'm
not
like
worried
about
outreach.
I
think
we're
doing
pretty
good.
We
got
out.
We
did
finally
get
out
our
an
email
to
our
2000
plus
newsletter
subscribers
yesterday,
which
gave
us
a
significant
boost
in
purchasing
a
registrations.
H
Were
you
know
we
went
from
you
know
the
low
teens
to
25
within
24
hours,
and
a
lot
of
people
tend
to
register
for
an
event
like
this
in
the
last
week.
So
I
expect
to
see
us,
you
know
at
least
35
to
40.
People
would
be
my
guest
right
now
and
with
some
good
outreach
we
could
exceed
that.
H
We
had
this
twitter
twitter
post,
which
I
wrote,
and
hopefully
nobody
has
any
questions
about,
but
we've
gotten
31
retweets,
which,
from
our
our
twitter
perspective,
is
way
more.
If
we
usually,
if
we
get
four
or
five
retweets
we're
happy,
so
we
have
had
a
little
bit
of
social
media
success
here.
If
there's
any
feedback
on
this,
let
me
know
I'd
love
to
see
people
if
you,
if
you're
on
twitter
and
haven't
seen
this
yet
and
can
retweet
it.
I
think
to
me
it's
a
it's
a
it's.
H
It's
not
a
mean
message,
but
it's
just
too
many
drupal
sites
are
moving
to
wordpress,
wix
and
other
platforms,
and
they
don't
know
about
backdrop.
Let's
get
the
word
out
is
basically
and
a
lot
of
our
drupal
friends
have
been
tweeting
that
so,
but
is
there
anything
else
that
people
think
we
should
be
doing
in
these
last
this
last
week
before
backdrop
that
we
haven't
been
doing
or
to
to
promote
backdrop,
live.
J
Hi
everybody
it's
neil,
I
was
just
chatting
with
or
about
to
chat
with
with
you
all,
so
I
put
an
announcement
on
the
cvcrm
matamost
slack
alternative
spaces,
I'm
not
noticing
any
civil
life
on
the
agenda,
so
I'm
happy
to
try
and
also
nudge,
that
into
happening
unless
lauren
or
or
jack
are
gonna
come
and
speak,
and
I'll
also
nat
and
jane
the
sleep
deprivation
and
on
recording
now
as
well.
Jen
and
nate
I'll
also
put
an
announcement
on
the
np
dev
summit
aspiration
list
as
well.
This
afternoon.
D
Yeah
that,
I
think
that's
great,
just
don't
self-meal,
I
think
that's
that's
where
I
think
your
connections
are
the
strongest.
If,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
so
you
you
know
your
connections
better
than
us,
and
I
think
that
that's
appreciated
sure.
H
Well,
I
can
say
that
we
don't
have
any
official
topics,
yet
I
think
larryn
did
it
recently,
so
he's
been
a
little
bit,
not
sure
if
he
wants
to
do
it
again
was
my
sense
and
he's
got
some
other
topics
on
the
schedule,
so
I
mean
there's
two
routes
I
mean.
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
just
have
an
introduction
to
cv
like
we
can't
do
that
too
often,
because
there's
always
new
people
looking
for
that.
H
J
Okay,
I
I
just
don't
hang
out
with
you
guys,
but
it's
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
sylvia
is
alive
and
well
inside
of
your
organization,
that's
fun
to
hear
worth
promoting
for
sure
and
yeah
I
mean
I
can
also
just
put
put
out
some
requests
in
city
land.
If
there's
anybody
who
wants
to
come
and
do
an
intro
to
the
bankrupt
community
next
week,.
H
J
H
I
H
H
I
I'm
I'm
handling
a
lot
of
that,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
be
me
so
feel
free
to
to
have
people
contact
me.
They
could
also
just
drop
into
our
zulu
chat,
but
I'm
sure
you
know
other
people
here
could
also
feel
that
why
tonight,
why
don't
you
just
go
with
me
just
so
that
it's
clear.
J
J
H
We
will
be
moving
into
our
developer
meeting
shortly,
but
I
don't
know:
do
we
have
anything
else
on
backdrop?
Live.
H
Nothing
so
one
of
the
things
irina,
I
think
plans
to
do
and
why
she
really
wanted
to
get
the
schedule
up
on
the
website
where
she
wanted
to
start
emailing
contacts,
her
personal
contacts
and
inviting
them,
and
she
wanted
content
to
point
them
towards,
and
I'm
just
mentioning
that,
because
that's
certainly
something
all
of
us
could
do
to
help
out
is,
if
you
know,
people
who
are
you
think
would
be.
You
know
interested
in
this.
H
They
may
not
be
seeing
our
social
media
channels
and
if
you
could
send
them
an
email
or
a
facebook
post
or
something
just
pointing
them
at
you
know
the
web
events
website.
That
would
be
really
helpful
and
it's
probably
the
most
effective
form
of
promotion
that
we
can
do
if
we
can
get
some
people
doing
that.
I
have,
during
the
first
backdrop,
live.
I
was
contacting
lots
of
people
directly.
I
haven't
been
as
direct
recently.
B
Yeah
I
mean,
for
example,
you
know
I
I
used
to
work
on
the
drupal
thing
at
at
stanford
and
I'm
still
on
the
stanford
drupaler's
mailing
list,
so
I'll
I'll
connect
with
with
irina
and
make
sure
that
one
of
us
sends
something
to
that
and
probably
ping
queen
too.
H
B
Well,
let's
see
you
know
besides
twitter
and
I'll
do
more
few
more
facebook
things
linkedin
is
actually
seems
like
like
a
pretty
active
thing,
so
I'll
I'll
I'll.
Do
that
one
as
well,
I'm
on
linkedin
and
facebook
a
lot
if
anybody's
on
instagram,
if
everybody
under
30
uses
instagram
constantly,
although
I
can't
imagine
why,
but
they
do
so
so
you
know
I
don't
know,
do
a
screenshot
of
something
put
on
instagram.
H
Yeah,
I
have
a
tic
tac
account
and
I
know
how
to
make
a
video,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
that
it
would
get
two
views.
So
that's
it.
I
don't
have
any.
I
just
I'm
a
passive
user
of
tic
tac.
You
need
somebody
that
has
a
channel
with
followers.
H
So
jen
help
me
out:
are
there
any
sort
of
logistical
last
minute
day
of
logistics
that
we
should
talk
about?
Now?
I'm
thinking
things
like
this
would
be
the
last
thing
things
like
we
talked
about
having
sort
of
a
safety
person
or
something
you
know
designated
for
all
the
sessions,
somebody
that
was
just
a
volunteer
that
was
prepared
to
deal
with
any
situations
that
came
up
in
the
past.
A
Another
thing,
too
is
we
should
make
sure
that
all
of
the
schedules
scheduled
sessions
have
the
zoom
link
in
them,
because
people
will
go
to
the
schedule
on
the
website
in
order
to
find
it.
Even
if
it's
the
same
length
for
all
sessions,
I
still
think
that
will
help
people
get
there.
A
We
can
probably
use
the
same
link
as
last
year,
which
might
already
be
on
all
the
notes.
We
could
put
it
as
a
default
value
or
bulk
update
or
something
so
we
don't
have
to
update
all
of
them,
but
yeah
just
to
help
people
get
there
more
easily
and
then
the
only
other
thing
that
we
do
last
minute
is
post
that
block
on
the
home
page.
A
H
That
okay,
mate
or
if
anybody
thinks
we
need
to
cut
this
off
for
the
other
meeting,
let
me
know
it
raised
two
questions,
one
of
which
is
initially.
We
talked
about.
H
So
we
we
don't
like
tweet
out
the
the
link
to
just
come
and
join
our
sessions
live
without
registrations.
On
the
other
hand,
we
also
don't
discourage
that
right.
So
once
in
the
past,
sort
of
the
assumption
was
that
people
would
register.
We
would
send
the
link
out
to
register
registrants
and
they
would
know
where
to
find
the
session.
We
wouldn't
block
other
people
from
getting
into
them,
but
we
also
didn't
like
just
tweet
it
out.
On
backdrop,
I
mean,
I
still
think,
that's
true
that
we
as
a
practice.
A
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
I
would
be
fine
promoting
individual
sessions,
but
I
would
love
to
steer
them
towards
the
events
page
in
general,
so
rather
than
you
know,
hopefully
that
one
event
will
trigger
their
interest
in
the
whole
conference,
rather
than
just
being
there
for
that
hour
and
that
might
make
them
register
and
give
a
donation
too,
but
if
they
get
a
hold
of
that
zoom
link
and
pop
in
for
an
hour.
I
still
think
that's
good,
and
I
don't.
A
I
wouldn't
want
to
put
any
restrictions
on
that,
but
yeah,
I'm
I'm
hesitant
about
putting
the
zoom
link
anywhere,
probably
just
because
of
boom
bombers
and
in
general,
like
we
use
this
link
for
lots
of
stuff
and
the
more
we
can
protect
it
the
better,
but
I
still
want
it
to
be
easy
for
people
to
use.
So
I
don't
know.
A
Well
so
this
is
already
like
a
bitly.
We
could
make
any
number
of
other
bitlies
to
the
same
thing
if,
if
we
needed
to
but.
A
H
The
other
question
that
came
up
earlier
in
the
meeting
that
we
didn't
address
is
the
recording
question
steve
wanted
to
record
his
session.
As
ever,
I
think
everybody's
aware
we
always
get
people
asking.
Are
things
going
to
be
recorded?
Our
general
policy
is
not
to
record
things.
H
We
in
fact
on
our
faq
on
the
website.
It
says
we
do
not
record
any
sessions.
What
is
discussions?
We
do
not
record
any
yes,
we
offer
the
opportunity
for
people
to
pre-record
things,
but
they
would
not
be
live.
I
I
am
a
strong
proponent
of
the,
not
recording
a
lot
of
things,
I'm
not
an
absolutist
if
we
can
find
a
way
to
record
some
things,
I'm
okay
with
that,
but
it
it
just
leads
to
that
problem
of
then.
How
do
we
know
what
is
recorded?
What
isn't
does
anybody
have
thoughts
on
that?
A
I
think
that's
fine
as
long
as
no
one
attends
your
session,
but
the
problem
is
you
don't
want
to
get
anybody's
name
or
face
on
there,
and
even
if
you're
recording
like
halfway
through
and
someone
shows
up,
they
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
opt
out
and
if
the
entire
event
is
advertised
as
being
not
recorded,
then
that's
a
problem.
If
there's
a
way
that
you
can
change
the
recording
area.
A
So
it's
not
recorded
through
zoom
and
you're
only
recording
the
part
that
you're
like
there's
no
problem
with
having
you
on
the
recording,
but
if
you
can
make
it
so
that
you're
not
going
to
get
anyone
else's
information.
I
am
all
in
favor
of
that.
We
just
need
to
be
careful
that
we're
not
getting
people
in
trouble
or
making
them
uncomfortable
in
a
way
that
would
make
them
not
want
to
attend
or
but.
E
That
was
the
plan
to
record
it
locally
before
it
gets
to
zoom,
so
nothing
on
zoom
is
recorded,
audio
may
be
recorded
and
we
can
put
a
disclaimer
upon
there
as
well.
If
need
be,
and
we
can
always
take
the
audio
out
before
it
gets
put
onto
youtube
or
anything
like
that,
but
in
general
it
would
be
recorded
before
the
video
got
to
youtube.
That's.
A
Great,
I
also
think
we
could
find
a
way
to
support
recordings
more,
like
sort
of
the
way.
This
event
is
designated
right
now.
Is
that
it's
all
discussions
for
the
most
part,
and
we
there's
like?
Oh,
if
you
want
to
have
a
presentation
you
can
but
that's
sort
of
not
the
expectation
people
have
for
events.
A
I
was
thinking
it
might
be
useful
if
we
in
the
future
would
say
like
hey
the
first
day
of
the
event,
is
all
presentations
and
made
some
very
clear
distinction
to
people,
and
then
everyone
know:
okay,
I'm
going
to
bring
my
stuff
it's
going
to
be
recorded,
I'm
prepared
and
then
have
a
day
of
like
okay.
Now
it's
the
buff
day
or
whatever,
where
everything
is
a
conversation,
and
then
at
least
the
expectations
will
be
set
appropriately
and
we
can
do
a
bunch
of
sort
of
marketing
around
how
that
would
happen.
A
A
I
also
think,
like
more
video
con,
the
more
content
about
backdrop,
the
better-
and
this
is
a
great
source
of
content.
We
just
need
to
be
really
careful
because
we're
it's
mostly
people
talking
that
you
know
I
say
stupid
things
all
the
time
and
I'm
fortunate
that
my
employer
is
very
forgiving
of
that.
H
Okay,
so
we
I'm
going
to
say
we
wrap
this
this
meeting
up
and
then
presumably
the
dove
meeting
will
be
starting
shortly.
Afterwards.
Okay,
everybody
bye.