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From YouTube: Backdrop Outreach - Feb 6, 2020
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A
All
right
cool
thanks:
everyone
I'll
do
a
small
intro
again.
This
is
a
big-picture
meeting
to
talk
about
outreach.
This
is
our
usual
bi-weekly
outreach
meeting,
but
we're
thinking
about
what
are
our
goals
here,
who
are
our
audiences
kind
of
zooming
out
and
then
getting
into
some
strategies
for
how
to
reach
those
audiences
how
to
reach
our
goals
so
the
way
we're
gonna
work
it
today
is
I'll,
be
facilitating
and
trying
to
take
stacks.
A
So
we
hear
voices
from
everyone
in
the
so-called
room
just
say
something:
they're
in
group
chat
or
raise
your
hand,
I'll
keep
an
eye
on
it
and
and
try
to
keep
the
conversation
flowing
and
nice
and
fair
ways,
and
we
have
a
notes
document
that
I
think.
Maybe
if
someone
could
share
the
link
here
in
the
chat
that
might
be
most
helpful
in
case
folks
aren't
and
get
or
the
other
places
the
notes.
A
Doc
is
it's
a
collective
effort,
so
whoever
can
type
in
notes
when
you're
not
talking
well
very
welcome
and
I
think
folks,
just
kind
of
figure
out
where,
in
the
document
to
type
the
stuff,
we
have
it
in
Kenda
up
at
the
top
that
we
just
set,
and
it's
12:03,
we've
kind
of
had
the
same
group
of
us
here
for
a
few
minutes
now.
I'm,
not
sure
if
we
should
wait
a
little
longer
or
if
anyone
knows
of
other
folks
who
definitely
plan
to
be
here
who
are
not
yet.
A
That's
who
I
had
in
mind
I
was
like
well,
maybe
let's
get
started
then,
since
this
material
can
definitely
fill
up
a
whole
hour,
we'll
get
started
with
a
go
around
so
that
we
can
actually
hear
from
everyone.
What
brought
you
to
this
meeting
kind
of?
What's?
What's
the
the
biggest
burning
question
or
thing
you'd
like
to
do
or
concern,
you
have
about
outreach
for
the
backdrop
project
and
I
am
going
to
call
folks
in
order
of
their
windows
and
my
Brady
Bunch
arrangement
here
so
I
will
go
with
Nate
first
I.
C
D
Next
up
Tim
I'm
here,
because
I
am
a
developer
and
I'm,
not
good
at
thinking
about
things
like
reach
and
I,
don't
know
what
I
don't
know
and
I
feel
like.
There
are
probably
a
lot
of
good
people
in
our
community
who
are
much
better
at
this
than
I
am
and
I
am
really
looking
forward
to
hearing
recommendations
from
everyone
else.
B
Can
go
next,
I
I've
been
at
I'm
getting
better
from
a
deaf
perspective,
but
I've
always
thought
I
have
more
dogs
so
that
the
background
community
in
terms
of
organizing
and
things
like
outreach
and
such
so
I've
made
a
point
to
attend
these
meetings
as
I
and
I'm.
Just
really
looking
forward
to
the
opportunity
to
step
back
and
look
at
some
of
the
bigger
picture
we
often
focus
on.
You
know
the
sign.
Did
we
get
the
sign
made?
B
A
F
So
for
me,
I'm
just
sort
of
like
later
some
others
just
like
to
attend
these
losers
to
watch
and
listen.
But
since
this
is
an
outreach
meeting,
it's
interesting
because
literally
this
morning,
I
was
talking
to
one
of
my
clients
trying
to
convince
them
to
move
from
Drupal
7
to
backdrop
and
the
heads
and
concerns
which
was
fun
no
address,
so
I
guess
they're,
just
trying
to
learn
how
better
to
market
backdrops
and
some
developers
been
on
my
timing.
You
know
that
are
good
at
marketing
like
these
oh
yeah,.
G
All
right-
hey,
yeah,
well
I
like
to
come
to
outreach
meetings,
because
this
is
one
of
the
places
in
the
project
where
I
feel
like
I,
actually
have
something.
I
could
at
least
theoretically
offer
I
trained
in
business
and
I've,
studied
marketing
and
and
would
love
to
sort
of
be
able
to
feed
whatever
is
useful
from
that
into
into
the
mission,
particularly
in
terms
of
I'm,
more
of
an
inbound
marketer.
So
I'm
all
about
you,
know,
product
requirements
and
and
product
definition
kind
of
things.
G
But
you
know
we
also,
you
know,
know,
know
my
way
around
promotion
to
some
extent,
so
so
to
the
extent
that
that
that
I
can
I
can
help
in
any
way
to
to
sort
of
like
take
big
ideas
and-
and
you
know,
tell
you
what
the
initial
buzzwords
for
those
things
are
and
some
things
that
work,
or
at
least
theoretically
work.
We
could
try
I'm
happy
to
be
a
part
of
that.
I
J
Hi
so
yeah,
my
name
is
Greg
I'm
currently
residing
in
Australia.
J
The
I
don't
have
any
commercials
of
like
goals,
personal
commercial
value
for
backdrop,
because
that's
not
my
profession
and
it
hasn't
been
the
case
even
like
I've,
been
using
Drupal
for
many
years,
I'm
more
of
an
enthusiast
of
the
product,
I've
been
using
Drupal,
7
and
backdrop
for
many
years,
but
as
I
sort
of
like
UX
UI
designer
or
advocate
I
would
say
for
better
user
experience.
I
find
it
hard
to
sort
of
like
convince
even
that
local
people
in
Australia
of
Melbourne,
where
I
reside
to
so
like
join
even
meetings.
J
A
So,
let's
dive
into
that
question
of
the
who
and
I
see
some
notes
being
typed
into
the
pad
already
and
I
would
say:
Jen.
Let's
not
put
the
notes
there
I'd
like
to
actually
make
sure
we
discuss
them
all
with
each
other
before
just
putting
them
in
the
notes,
so
they
don't
get
lost
so
I
see
them
down
below,
but
I
was
thinking.
What
we
could
do
to
start
is
actually
brainstorm.
Who
are
the
audience's?
Who
are
the
people
that
we
want
or
need
to
reach
with
our
outreach
and
let's
do
a
brainstorming
list?
A
A
I
also
realized
I
didn't
share
in
the
opening
go
around
for
myself,
so
I'll
say:
hey
I'm,
Jack
I
am
here
because
outreach
for
backdrop
is
super
important
to
me
personally
and
professionally,
like
other
folks,
trying
to
convince
clients
that
backdrop
is
a
good
thing
to
use
clients
who
really
trust
me
already
and
know
me
already
it's
a
little
easier
folks
who
are
kind
of
coming
in
you
or
just
prospecting
they're
like
what
is
this
backdrop
thing
so
I
think
the
biggest
thing
on
my
mind
is
how
do
we?
How
do
we
make
it?
A
So
folks
don't
have
as
many
like
what
is
this
backdrop
thing
skepticism
and
questions
blocking
them.
So
that's
my
sharing,
but
now,
let's
do
let's
talk
about
audiences,
who
we
want
to
be
reaching
here.
I
have
tons
of
ideas
that
I
know
everyone
else
does
so,
let's
see
who
has
the
first
idea
just
throw
it
out
and
what
kind
of
do
popcorn
style?
You
don't
have
to
do
stack
right
now,
yeah.
A
J
Think
I
think
as
well:
first
land
as
in
people
that
are
either
just
graduated
and
they're
getting
into
the
webdev
market
and
they're
sort
of
like
examining
what
solutions
are
there
and
what
could
be
something
that
they
could
work
with
as
a
tool.
So
it
would
be
people
that
are
fresh
out
of
college,
I,
guess
and
look
going
into
the
market.
B
Possible
audience
so
because
some
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
ton,
some
positive
perspective
audiences,
whether
they
are
I,
think
one
of
the
possible
audiences
is
WordPress
users.
We
often
talk
about
that
and
that's
a
very
broad
narrowing
that
I
think
would
be
helpful,
but
we
often
talk
about
whether
or
not
work
you
know
is
our
WordPress
users,
our
audience
or
not,
and
I'm,
not
100%
sure,
certainly
saying
certain
segments
are
I
think
but
which
ones.
J
G
G
Person
that
once
wants
a
website
of
some
sort
that
it
doesn't
have
that's
missing
the
resources
that
the
big
companies
have,
the
big
organizations
have
to
put
interwebs
a
website,
notably
besides,
you
know
the
licensing
costs.
You
know
some.
Some
hacker
can't
get
but
there'll
be
experienced
manager
even
if
they
wanted
to.
But
then
the
other
side
comes
around
with
always
in
the
case
with
Drupal,
but
he's
even
more
the
case
with
Drupal
eight
nine
of
the
complexity.
G
I
think
a
lot
of
people
end
up
in
WordPress,
or
you
know
Squarespace
and
things
like
that,
because
that's
that's
all
that
that's
the
only
possibility
and
and
whereas,
whereas
Drupal
ahead
of
us
now
now
backdrop
have
have
lots
of
things
that
people
can
can
get
a
handle
on
pretty
quickly
could
do
very
sophisticated
things.
The
multiple
fields,
the
taxonomies
like
nice,
sophisticated
features
like
that.
There's
barriers
to
entry
for
those
folks
that
I
think
we
should
look
at
at
minimizing
some
time
so
so
to
bring
that
back
around.
G
Afraid,
both
to
like
actual
money
like
licensing
stuff
and
also
to
the
budget
of
time
you
you
know
if,
if
you've
got
something
that
you
really
want,
but
you
can't
you
know
you
have
a
job
and
you
can't
afford
to
spend.
You
know
your
entire
life
learning.
How
to
do.
This
thing
know
that
kind
of
research,
something
that
could
be
be
successfully
accomplished
with
a
part
time,
commitment,
I.
I
What
I
tried
to
find
out
that
me
Blin
in
a
blog
post
as
a
first
step,
try
to
get
the
low-hanging
fruits,
and
these
are
people
like
us.
We
already
choose
to
use
backdrop
and
I
really
love
it,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
just
a
part
of
my
work,
it's
kind
of
a
commodity
to
say
it
simply
has
to
work
in
2020.
The
CMAs
has
to
work
and
that's
what
I
like
about
backdrop
I,
really
like
the
configuration
management.
This
is
such
a
great
tool.
I
still
love
views.
I
When
you
use
two
bullets,
it's
just
there,
but
try
to
try
to
show
it
views
to
other
people.
They
don't
believe
what
what
views
is
how
powerful
it
is,
how
powerful
is
in
a
daily
in
a
daily
work
and
on
a
small
agency
on
things
like
that.
This
is
why
I
really
I
really
loved
the
concept
of
triple
7
and
also
two
two
blades
from
chapter
time,
but
most
of
my
websites
will
go
to
to
backdrop
because
of
that
yep.
I
J
Would
like
to
say
that,
yes,
you
mentioned
that
small
agencies
should
be
a
small
digital
agency
should
be
a
bullet
point
and
then
the
other
thought
that
I
always
that
was
always
at
the
back
of
my
mind,
is
that
the
Australian
government
here
has
chosen
as
the
go-to
solution
and
distribution
based
on
Drupal
for
their
government
as
a
whole,
and
it
started
as
a
small
platform.
But
everyone
is
so
like
being
awarded
a
big
way.
It
pays
so
here's
a
thought
that
I
was
always
been
in.
J
My
head,
see
how
he
said
graduates
I
would
love
it
if
Drupal
was
used
or
backdrop
in
this
case
was
used
as
a
tool
to
teach
people
as
in
before
they
get
out
of
school.
So
in
my
head,
I've
been
advocating
for
this
is
like
the
Australian
government
is
using
Drupal,
so
Drupal
should
be
taught
at
school,
so
he
have
an
army
developers
or
site
builders
that
come
out
of
school,
ready
to
work
for
government
on
their
sites.
So
yeah
here's
an
idea,
students.
J
B
So
I
put
a
blog
or
another
forum.
I
was
about
about
sort
of
ambitious
do-it-yourselfers
like
where
do
they
fit
in
to
our
audience,
because,
like
how
much
skill
do
you
need
to
build
your
own
website?
How
much
skill
should
you
need
I
feel
like
it's
not
clear
to
me?
If
it
is
our
audience
yet,
but
I
would
like
for
our
audience
to
be
somebody
who
I
don't
want
to
compete
with
Squarespace?
That's
not
my
point,
but
somebody
who
who
maybe
has
built
their
own
HTML
website
before
they're,
not
a
professional
web
developer.
B
They
understand
the
basic
concepts
of
web
design,
but
maybe
they're
not
fluent
at
CSS
or
something
right,
but
they
want
an
ambitious
site.
They
want
to
build
it
themselves,
they're
willing
to
spend
the
time
watching
videos
and
learning,
but
you
know
we
need
to.
You
know
be
at
the
point
where
they
can
reasonably
do
that.
So
sum
that
up
I,
guess,
I'd,
say
sort
of
ambitious
do-it-yourselfers
it
may
be,
may
be
ambitious
and
also
you
know,
live
with
limited
experience
or
skills.
I
don't
expect
somebody
who's,
never
done
anything
in
the
web.
A
F
D
From
my
list
that
didn't
make
it
on
to
the
top
list,
and
that
is
people
who've
been
using
Drupal
for
really
long
time,
so
this
might
fit
in
with
Jeff's
comment
about
people
coming
from
Drupal
6,
but
not
necessarily,
it
doesn't
even
really
matter
what
your
version
of
Drupal
it
is.
We
people
who
love
Drupal.
That
might
not
be
aware
of
how
similar
backdrop
is,
and
both
how
different
backdrop
is
like
what's
been
improved,
that
have
sort
of
mental
conception.
D
G
It
doesn't
just
apply
to
people
that
were
there
at
the
time
I
mean
there
is,
at
this
point
a
tremendous
amount
of
literature
and
resources
to
Drupal.
So
if,
if
we
can
make
a
connection
that
within
backdrop,
this
can
be
leveraged
that
this
kind
of
learning
these
these
patterns
are
still
valid,
are
still
useful,
that
that
can
kind
of
open
up
it.
Can
it
can
broaden
our
offering
of
what
we're
asking
people
do
beyond
beyond
what
were
able
to
create?
We
could
say:
look
you
can
you
can
reuse
this
other
stuff
too,
and
it's
applicable.
J
Here's
a
stolen
idea:
there
is
a
person
increase
that
if
I
recall
correctly,
who
is
working
with
people
that
are
coming
out
of
rehabilitation
and
he's
trying
to
get
them
back
into
the
society
by
teaching
them
how
to
build
a
side
and
build
a
small
business
for
themselves
or
others.
So
it
could
be
their
young
children
coming
out
of
juvenile,
so
I'm
like
institutions,
or
it
could
be
people
that
are
unemployed.
J
It's
all
because
I
remember
that
this
person
was
saying
that,
because
people
think
that
in
their
heads,
especially
from
these
situations
in
their
lives,
they
think
that
they're
trapped
in
a
situation
and
it
would
take
a
lot
for
them
to
sort
of
like
get
into
the
market.
And
his
goal
is
like
in
the
first
30
minutes
of
the
of
the
of
the
training
sessions
that
he
has
to
just
use.
J
Drupal,
to
show
them
that,
like
in
30
minutes,
they
could
set
up
a
Drupal
site
with
a
few
contacts
and
a
payment
gateway
that
works
and
they
get
excited.
And
then
they
sort
of
like
I,
think
that
these
are
the
audience
that
would
get
thrilled.
It
will
be
a
life-changing
opportunity
for
them
and
they
will
join
the
community
and
they
will
be
able
to
serve
like
not
able
but
thrilled
to
be
contributing
because
it
would
they
know
from
firsthand
that
it
is
a
product
that
changes
lives.
I
But
maybe
with
those
people
you
compete
with
every
other
beginner,
that's
Dennis
versus
my
concern.
If
you
take
those
people
you're
talking
about
and
to
teach
them
to
build
a
website
and
they're
going
to
turn
the
other
person
to
go
to
their
friend
and
see,
WordPress
is
awake
score
space.
They
might
not
get
what
what
Drupal
7
or
or
backdrop
is
all
about.
Just
just
my
perspective,
I
learned
to
love
after
understanding
some
requirements
of
complexity
which
I
didn't
have
at
the
beginning,
but
my
first
website
I'm
saying
it's
just
my
perspective.
J
A
I
would
I
would
interject
and
say
I
think
with
all
of
these
folks,
there's
gonna
be
like
pros
and
cons
or
like
things,
that'll
work
for
those
audiences
and
things
that
won't
I.
Think
for
like
lots
of
these,
like
that,
one
that
Greg
just
brought
up
I
know
a
training
program
here
in
Oakland.
It's
awesome,
it's
for
youth.
They
teach
them
on
Weebly.
Why
do
they
teach
them
on
Weebly?
Who
knows
right
so,
like
there's,
gonna
always
be
other
options.
A
There's
always
gonna
be
things
like
that.
I
think
this
exercise
is
just
though
till
they
get
us
kind
of
thinking
like
who
are
the
people
who
are
out
there.
Even
if
there's
gonna
be
other
competition,
some
of
these
audiences
might
not
be
the
ones
we
want
to
focus
on
right,
like
they
might
not
be
the
most
fruitful
ones,
but
I
think
it's
good
to
have
like
get
a
big
sense
of
like
what's
on
our
minds
and
I
would
actually
say
from
here.
A
Maybe
let's
try
to
synthesize
this
a
little
bit,
so
we've
named
a
bunch
of
a
bunch
of
different
audiences
right
and
I
I'm,
seeing
some
kind
of
group.
Some
groupings
here
so
I'm
going
to
throw
them
out
to
kind
of
structure
the
rest
of
our
conversation.
So
a
big
group
of
overarching
one
is
like
end.
Users
like
those
are
the
people
who
have
existing
sites
and
and
need
something
to
replace
it.
A
People
who
are
wanting
that
ambitious
website
with
limited
resources
for
their
organization
or
their
company
or
their
projects,
those
are
the
the
main
or
you
know,
likes
people
with
the
sites.
People
who
have
the
sites
we're
gonna,
be
the
product
owners
in
the
end,
we're
gonna
be
using
the
sites,
things
like
that.
That's
a
big
overarching
one
and
then
there's
site
builders
developers,
the
folks
who
are
making
sites
and
in
there
we've
got
a
bunch
of
different
categories
right.
A
Maybe
they've
been
working
in
Drupal
for
years
and
have
it
loved
it
and
don't
know
that
backdrop
is
a
good
place
to
go
down
because
it's
different,
there's
folks
who
are
working
with
tools
like
WordPress
and
maybe
even
other
small
site,
building
tools
like
Squarespace
and
and
Weebly
who
uses
that,
but
whatever
those
kind
of
folks
who
are
reaching
the
limits
of
the
software
they're
already
using
and
might
have
something
backdrop
might
really
be
good
for
them.
So
we're
kind
of
seeing
the
students,
then
there's
like
this.
A
This
other
category
of
like
potential
site
builders
like
folks
in
and
those
kind
of
overlap
right,
but
like
folks
who
are
students
who
are
learning
skills
now
who
are
in
computer
science
programs,
our
choosing
what
languages
and
what
frameworks
and
whatever
to
use.
So
that's
kind
of
the
layout
that
I'm
seeing
of
like
the
difference,
the
different
category.
So
we
could
think
about
these
because
lots
of
the
tactics
that
we
use
to
reach
people
in
these
groups.
It's
helpful
to
grouping
together
because
the
tactics
can
reach
multiple
groups
at
once.
A
So
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
thinking
like.
Does
that
sound?
Like
a
good
construction,
we
have
like
end
users,
eventual
product
owners,
site
owners,
big
category,
and
then
the
people
who
build
the
sites
broken
down
into
many
of
these
smaller
categories
that
we
mentioned.
These
are
the
different
audiences,
so
sound
like
a
decent.
It
helps
me
to
group
them
a
little,
so
so
I
would
ask
oh
yeah.
B
Yeah
please
come
up
before,
but
we're
talking
about
outreach
for
the
product
and
there's
also
I
wonder
to
what
extent
we
should
be
thinking
about
the
sort
of
outreach
for
the
community
which
you
sort
of
like
contributors.
Like
some
people.
We
have
some
people
in
this
group
that
really
contribute
to
group
or
bastrop,
but
don't
really
usual,
and
that
might
be
a
different
kind
of
a
category
like
people
that
just
want
to
be
involved
but
aren't
necessarily
building
their
own
side.
J
A
I
mean
that
one
yeah
we
can,
we
could
probably
put
lots
of
these
individual
audiences
in
multiple
categories
too.
But
ya
know
I
like
these
I,
like
these
big
groups,
I
like
the
addition
of
that
learner's
one.
So
we
can
keep
these
groups
in
mind
as
we
move
into
the
next
part
of
the
conversation
which
is
so
well.
A
What
are
we?
Let's
start
the
positive?
What
are
we
doing
to
reach
those
groups
right
now
and
and
what
are
we
doing
that
that
we
think
is
working?
Let's
start
there,
so
I
encourage
folks
to
kind
of
look
at
the
list
and
like
of
audiences
and
then
say:
okay,
how
are
we?
How
are
you
reaching
out
to
those
folks?
Any
ideas
that
come
to
mind
I
will
start
out
with
one
that
I
think
we
are.
A
We
have
reached
out
a
lot
to
existing
Drupal
site
builders
and
developers.
I
see
it
all
the
time
at
the
events
there's
been
a
you
know,
talks
at
Drupal
camps
and
cons
and
stuff
for
years
and
years,
and
we
have
a
presence
there
already
so
I
think
that
that's
an
audience
that
we've
reached
out
a
lot
to
we
could
probably
reach
out
more
to
but
I
think
that
might
be
one
of
the
ones.
That's
like
that.
We've
made
the
biggest
efforts
towards
I,
don't
know
I'm,
trying
to
think
of
stuff
beside
events.
B
We've
been
fairly
active
on
Twitter
I,
say
somebody
loves
with
the
porter
account
I,
don't
know
if
it's
effective,
but
my
idea
is
that
that
is
potentially
reaching
all
the
group
will
occur,
Drupal
audience,
but
also
at
larger.
It
has
the
potential
to
reach
a
larger
audience.
I,
don't
know
if
we're
doing
as
good
a
job
as
we
could
or
if
it's
malarkey,
but
it's
a
channel
that
we
began
to
amount
of
time.
B
I
view
our
forums
as
an
outreach
tool
that
and
it
combined
with
Twitter,
for
example,
one
of
the
things
I
try
to
do
is
retweet
the
discussions
going
away
on
the
forum,
whether
they're,
how
do
I
sell
bad
drop
2?
How
do
I
fix
this
hearing
problem
and
so
I
definitely
view
the
forum
as
an
outreach
tool
again
I.
B
A
I
try
to
guide
this
a
little
so
for
this.
The
different
ways
we've
named
already
I
want
to
see
like
what
audiences
do.
We
think
we're
actually
reaching
with
those
so
like
I
saw
like
at
the
top
of
the
list.
There's
events,
but
there
it
was
like
I
feel
like
we're
really
at
a
lot
of
Drupal
events
and
not
so
much
at
other
events.
A
So
far
right
so
like,
let's
talk
about
for
each
of
these,
who
do
we
think
we're
reaching
and
who
do
you
know
like
well,
let's
who
do
we
think
we're
reaching
with
those
cuz,
then
we're
gonna
start
seeing
like
who
are
we
not
reaching
with
any
of
these
things
we're
doing
so?
Drupal
events
were
mostly
reaching
an
existing
Drupal
audience
or
people
who
might
be
interested
in
Drupal
already,
but
open
to
hearing
something
else,
social
media.
What
audience
is
that
we
identified
above
who
do
we
think
we're
reaching
with
that
I
yeah
Jack.
B
B
In
terms
of
Twitter,
I
I
think
that
we're
probably
mostly
reaching
also
Drupal
users,
because
I
think
that
that's
who
is
probably
mostly
following
this,
but
we're
also,
you
know,
because
it's
Twitter
its
public.
So
it
has
that
potential
overreach
into
other
communities
which
is
I,
think
a
good
but
I,
don't
know
if
it's
effective
at
doing.
G
I'm
gonna
suggest
something
I
was
I,
was
looking
at
the
list
of
the
general
big
groups
that
were
there
that
we
identified
before
the
the
end
users
site
owners
was
builders,
changing
out
the
website,
architects
and
stuff,
and
at
Lerner's
I
I.
Think
in
terms
of
where,
where
our
messaging
is
going,
I'll
I'll
just
throw
out
that
I
think
we're
almost
entirely
focused
on
the
site.
Builders
out
of
those
poor
groups,
which
I,
don't
necessarily
think,
is
a
bad
thing.
G
Subdivide
that
a
little
bit
and
I
just
throw
out
like
the
categorization,
you
can
take
it,
take
it
or
leave
it,
but
it
strikes
me
that,
within
the
the
pool
of
of
people
that
are
constructing
web
sites,
there's
obviously
the
programmers
first
and
foremost
we're
very
familiar
with
that.
There's
information.
Architects,
which
are
you
know,
called
site
builders
within
the
Drupal
world
and
there's
also
a
I
mean
there's
there's
at
least
two
pieces
that
I
think
are
kind
of
underserved
within
Drupal
and
and
particularly
within
within
backdrop.
One
being
artists.
G
You
know,
Outsiders,
think
of
web
sites
being
very,
very
visual
things,
but
we
we
don't
do
any.
You
know
we
don't
try
I,
don't
think
unless
I'm
mistaken
to
actually
get
in
touch
with
with
people
that
don't
know
program
at
all,
but
just
know
know
what
visual
presentation
looks
like
and
I
think
that
might
be
a
missing
piece
and
and
simmer
the
last
group
that
I
identified
sama
Saints
the
only
possibilities
but
identified
marketers-
and
you
know
I
I,
don't
mean
specifically.
G
You
know,
people
wearing
sport
coat
asking
a
business
card
things
like
that.
They
just
just
people
that
that
did
have
a
product
and
and
want
to
move
I.
Guess
I!
Guess
that's
really
end
users
in
this
thing,
so
we
we
had
already
covered
that
so
boiling
back
I'm.
The
one
thing
identified
his
artistry
I
I,
think
maybe
artists
should
be
a
group
that
are
underserved
that
we
should
try
to
connect
with.
J
I
often
say
it
worked
because
we
value
or
we
we
aim
to
contribute
more
to
Drupal,
and
it's
time
that
the
discussion
comes
up.
Everyone
mentions
developers,
but
there
are
project
managers
that
can
contribute
which
are
sort
of
like
excluded
from
the
list,
as
in
no
one
mentions
them
at
all.
So
they
think
that
they
cannot
contribute
it's
time.
A
But
I
would
see
I
think
that
when
we're
thinking
about
let's,
let's,
let's
get
beyond
just
devs
now,
we
probably
have
to
focus
in
on
each
of
these
fall
small
categories,
of
course,
but
I
think
Luke
is
right,
like
in
that
web
architects
group
there's
a
lot
of
smaller
audiences,
a
lot
of
the
PN's,
etc
that
we
could
target
in
more
specific
ways.
I.
G
J
A
C
Fortunately,
it
seems
like
the
people
most
likely
to
use
the
forum's
are
the
ones
that
are
using
your
software
and
so
they're
the
ones
that
have
questions
or
problems.
So,
if
they're
on
the
forums,
they're
they're
they're
great
candidate,
because
that
they
basically
are
using
backdrop,
that's
the
biggest
hurdle,
like
literally
we
say
in
all
of
our
classes.
J
B
Yeah
I
would
agree
and
I
think
Nate
you're
right
that
90%
of
the
value
probably
goes
to
people
using
backdrop
already,
but
there
is
value
to
a
broader
audience.
It's
also
because
it
provides
us
content.
We
can
tweet
about
and
share
in
other
ways
it
sort
of
that.
You
know
I
think
as
Gregory
says,
people
who
are
evaluating
or
making
decisions
might
end
up
in
the
forum.
C
A
So
I'm
sure
folks
could
kind
of
see
how
even
just
talking
about
this
it
gives
us
ideas
about.
Oh,
how
are
people
getting
there
and
how
do
we
have
to
pay
attention
to
these
things?
It
stresses
to
me
what
folks
in
the
community
I
did
endorsing
pay
attention
in
the
forums
like
lots
of
people
are
getting
a
chance.
Their
first
taste
of
backdrop
do
that
yeah,
how
else
oh
blog,
post
who-who?
Are
we
effectively
reaching
right
now
or
who
do
we
think
we're
reaching
with
our
blog
posts
of
the
audiences
we've
identified?
J
Yeah
I
think
existing
audience
is
being
reached.
People
that
subscribe
to
beat
org
are
people
that
are
already
interested
in
the
product,
so
you
have
two
kinds
of,
in
my
opinion,
two
kinds
of
people
they're
the
people
that
are
part
of
the
community
already
and
they're,
using
the
product,
so
they're
interested
to
see.
What's
up,
what's
changing
what's
coming
up,
and
then
you
have
people
that
are
being
skeptical
but
giving
some
like
an
open
mind
and
keeping
an
eye
on
the
community.
Its
wanna
see
how
active
we
are
I.
B
Feel,
like
blog
post,
safe
to
serve
the
same
audiences
as
the
forum
in
the
same
kind
of
way,
and
that
it
isn't
you
know,
I,
don't
know
if
this
it
like.
You
know,
there's
different
stages
of
outreach
right.
There's
outreach
to
people
who've,
never
heard
of
us
before.
There's
outreach
to
people
who've
heard
about
us
are
evaluating
us.
There's
also
art
reach
to
people.
B
Who've
started
to
put
to
use
back
up
in
our
committed,
yet
right
and
I
think
the
blog
serves
a
lot,
maybe
not
to
get
absolute
people
who'd
never
heard
about
us,
but
it
certainly
serves
that
evaluate
Inc,
we're
thinking
about
it.
A
big
objection.
People
have
the
backdrop,
is
that
oh,
the
community
is
too
small
or
you
know,
will
it
be
there
I
2
years
from
now
and
an
active
block,
you
know,
showing
things
happening
in
active
form
really
help
those
people.
A
J
Wish
that
more
people
were
participating
like
we
have
a
good
so
like
amount
of
audience
this
time,
but
it's
usually
a
little
bit
less
people
in
this,
especially
these
outreach
or
design
meeting
and
there's
quite
a
few
more
during
the
bet
meanings,
but
it
would
have
been
greater
if
it
were
more
in
in
general,
the
channel
the
channel
should
be
whatever
I'm
not
concerned
about
the
media.
What
specific
media
we
use,
but
yeah
we
should
be.
We
should
be
sort
of
like
doing
more
sort
of
like
bringing
new
people
and
retain
the
existing
ones.
C
Yeah
newsletter
was
also
something
is
gonna,
add
and
add
agonda
to
the
meetings
our
YouTube
channel
records.
All
of
these
things
for
posterity,
but
also
is
a
fairly
effective
tool.
I've
heard
some
people
actually
listen
to
these
meetings,
like
podcasts
like
to
literally
play
it
on
their
commute.
Just
do
it
from
the
way
to
work,
yeah
and
then
our
chat
tools,
which,
of
course,
is
slightly
in
flux
right
now,
but
yeah
Kidder,
and
what's
the
new
one
that
worries
you
look
zoo,
lifts
that
we're
looking
at.
A
Mean
there
I
would
I
would
kind
of
caution
with
jitter
and
Zulu
plague.
So
lots
of
these
things
are
communication
tools.
Are
they
necessarily
outreach
tools,
and
so
there
it's
like
I,
you
know
like
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
sure
there
are
jittery
and
zou
up,
especially
and
also
kind
of
the
github
if
she
cues
like
they
seem
in
the
same
place
for
me,
like
they're
important
places
for
us
to
preserve
interest,
encourage
interest
like
like.
J
With
regards
together
and
really
but
evaluators
look
at
projects
repose,
they
see
when
the
last
commit
was
there.
They
might
check
the
profiles
of
the
most
frequent
comedians
and
see
how
many
contributions
they're
doing
over
the
years,
they've
sort
of
like
it's
a
way
to
measure
the
health
of
a
project.
At
least
that's
what
I
do
and
that's
what
I
used
to
do
in
trouble.
Men
as
well
I
would
go
into
project
pages
and
see
how
many
bugs
are
there?
How
many
open
issues,
how
many
contributors?
When
was
the
last
committee?
J
When
was
the
last
release,
things
like
that,
and
and
actually
when
was
the
release
before
that,
as
in
how
many
releases
of
a
specific
period
of
time,
so
yes,
I,
agree
for
gear.
Angela
is
probably
with
tension
or
communication
tools,
but
github
is
for
technical
people
at
least
is
a
means
of
athletes.
We
could,
if
we
could,
make
things
more
attractive
near
the
readme
file
of
the
project.
Yes,
I.
G
Actually
throw
in
something
there
big,
because
I
I
feel
like
like
it's
at
the
edge
of
our
pottery
here,
but
we
haven't
directly
addressed
in
which
is
scalability
of
the
different
channels,
because,
like
it
strikes
me
that
the
Gator
and
the
zoo
meetings
like
look
right
right
here,
this
meeting
me
right
now.
We
couldn't
really
get
much
bigger
than
this.
If
we,
if
we
had
a
hundred
percent
audience
increase
to
this
meeting,
no
one
would
get
a
chance
to
say
anything.
G
No
one
would
be
able
to
keep
track
of
it
like
where
we're
at
about
the
limit
of
that
and
I
feel
like
like
get
her
and
julep
are
so
similar
that
that,
if
there
was
more
like
you
know,
I
don't
catch
up
the
traffic
as
it
is.
If
that
increased
it
would,
it
would
become
unworkable,
whereas
in
contrast,
like
the
worms,
have
a
kind
of
choreographer,
all
structure
built
in
could
grow
to
be
a
hundred
times
as
big
and
still
work
in
fact
would
be
better.
So
so
we
want
to
keep
those
in
mind.
G
J
Mentioning
since
we're
mentioning
the
the
the
chats
Big
W
Panda
has
done
a
great
job
to
get
some
statistics
of
family
I
just
wanted
this
to
get
lost
some
statistics
of
how
many
responses
and
how
many
comments
each
person
had.
So
we
had
some
people
that
are
if
we
show
the
people
that
the
the
chat
system
that
we
have
has
always
people
there
that
we
respond
to
them.
They're
not
gonna,
have
to
wait
for
a
day
or
hours
to
get
a
response.
J
A
We
might
be
reaching
some
evaluators
who
are
more
on
the
end
user
side
right
through
through
some
of
these
things,
but
to
me
it
sounded
like,
as
we
went
through
motion.
Most
of
these
things
were
mostly
reaching
website
producers
right
now.
So
I'd
like
to
end
this
with
some
thoughts
about
how
we
can
start
reaching
some
of
those
other
groups
more,
the
more
of
the
end
users.
A
A
G
G
Somewhere,
where,
when
someone
comes
in,
we
can
do,
we
can
have
it
a
structure
of
what
we
who
we
think
they
are
like.
You
know
we're
guessing
you're
in
this
group.
This
group,
this
group,
but
like
if
that
doesn't
apply
to
you
for
God's
sakes.
Who
are
you?
What
can
we
do
for
you
like?
We
had
really
any
way
to
to
get
answers
that
we're
not
looking
for
yet.
A
G
J
Think
that
one
thing
that
evaluators
sort
of
like
to
look
at
the
most
is
the
amount
of
resources
available
as
in
documentation
and
videos.
It's
a
good
thing
that
most
of
the
things
that
we
sort
of
like
use
or
have
perspective
like
equivalent
equivalents
in
Drupal,
so
so
most
of
the
video
tutorials
out
there
apply
because
we
have
the
same
country
modules
or
or
if
someone
tries
to
do
the
same
thing,
they
will
find
it
very
similar
like
95%
similar.
It
might
be
a
few
changes,
but
still
that
will
get
the
way
around.
J
But
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
they
were
at
some
point
in
the
alien
years,
maybe
first
or
second
year
backdrop
where
five
years
old
now
there
were
two
books
written
by
a
press,
one
is
beginning:
matchup,
CMS
and
the
other
one
is
migrating
from
totally
backdrop,
and
these
books
have
been
written
like
three
years
ago.
So
maybe
it's
time
for
a
version.
Two
of
these
books
like
reach
out
to
their
to
the
authors
of
these
books,
and
maybe
they
wanna,
keep
adding
like
the
features
cuz.
B
So
a
popular
medium
that
we've
done
a
little
bit
with
is
podcasts
Jenna
I,
think
actively
went
out
and
got
some
invitations
to
podcasts,
some
of
them
outside
of
our
probably
our
core
market,
although
probably
most
of
what
we've
done
is
been
targeted
back
Google
developers,
but
I
believe
there
are
other
podcasts
that
we
could.
Probably,
if
we
offered
that
our
that
would
reach
other
audiences
that
we
could
get
on
I
ever.
G
Can
we
have
our
own
podcast
I'm?
Sorry,
I
did?
Is
it
technology
to
like
make
our
me?
People
talk
about
listen
to
them
in
the
car
and
if
I
can
subscribe
to
them
in
a
podcast,
app
I
would
do
that
like
I've
wanted
to
do
that
endlessly,
like
I'm
curious.
How
hard
that
is?
Is
that
a
switch
we
can
throw
somewhere
somehow
I.
I
A
So,
for
me,
the
audience
of
huge
concern
is
those
end
users.
You
know,
like
people
have
heard
of
WordPress,
maybe
some
of
them
have
heard
of
Drupal
they've
heard
more
of
Squarespace
or
things
like
this.
It's
a
it's
been
really
hard
trying
to
get
folks
to
pay
attention.
A
backdrop
like,
especially
like
clients,
we've
been
working
with
for
like
10
years
yeah,
like
they
trust
the
cycle
of
what
we
say.
The
numeron
clients
are
really
hesitant.
Most
of
them
are
just
deciding
like.
A
Oh,
we
had
Drupal,
okay,
we're
gonna
go
with
WordPress,
because
we
know,
if
WordPress
so
I
in
terms
of
strategies
for
reaching
those
folks,
I'm,
not
sure
one
thing
I
had
mentioned
a
to
Jen
is
like
going
to
trying
to
get
a
presence
at
other
events
that
aren't
the
typical
events
at
all.
There's
one
called
the
allied
media
conference
over
the
summer
in
Detroit.
That's
mostly
lots
of
artists,
organizers
activists
like
young
folks,
like
lots
of
youth
people
who
are
not
it's
not
really.
Tech
focused
at
all.
A
So
thinking
about
whether
spaces
like
that
that
have
a
lot
of
our
target
audiences
in
terms
of
like
nonprofits
people
and
education
and
small
businesses,
are
at
these
events,
trying
to
think
about
how
to
leverage
those
to
get
back
drop
into
their
head,
so
they're
more
open
to
it
when
they
have
to
make
a
solution
or
make
a
decision
about
a
solution.
Yeah.
I
J
F
Yeah
I've
heard
a
lot
of
that
square
spacing
weeks,
not
because
I'm
looking
program,
but
just
in
general
advertising
on
the
web,
beards
Spotify
ads,
the
heads
or
magnetizing
info
web
sites
or
whatever
so
I
felt
like
I
got
those
through.
That's
one
thing,
I'm,
not
sure,
but
that
someone
of
you
know
I
thought
about
how
the
system
used.
C
C
Our
initial,
like
cash
funding
that
has
sustained
us
for
five
years
now,
which
is
been
pretty
incredible,
that
one
campaign
can
last
five
years,
but
it
has
and
like
I,
think
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
solicit
people
for
for
money
just
straight
up,
because
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
believers
out
there
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
want
to
contribute
and
for
a
lot
of
people.
That's
the
easiest
way
for
them
to
do
so,
and
I
think
they're
willing,
yeah.
C
Even
just
a
traditional
campaign,
you
know,
email
we've
got
the
newsletter,
it's
got
thousands
of
people
on
it
and
we
have
the
software
freedom
Conservancy,
for
which
we've
never
launched
a
campaign.
Saying
hey.
If
you
donate
to
us,
your
donations
are
tax-deductible
in
the
United
States,
at
least,
which
is
it
can
be
a
strong
motivator
yeah.
J
A
We
don't
have
limitless
time
and
energy,
so
instead
we
might
I,
don't
know
what
we
want
to
do
for
the
next
outreach
meeting.
We
might
want
to
just
go
move
into
more
concrete,
like
okay,
like
print
planning
strategy,
stuff
right
away,
but
I
hope
that
this
puts
us
in
a
good
place
for
continuing
conversations
and
I
encourage
folks
to
take
what
you
listen
to
and
read
here
and
just
bring
it
into
the
work
we're
doing
with
all
these
channels.
We
already
identified
of
outreach
like
think
about
audiences
that
we're
not
reaching
that
much.
A
How
can
we
do
a
little
bit
different
to
reach
those?
How
can
we
kind
of
up
our
game
reaching
the
audiences
we
already
are
reaching
so
yeah
keep
this
stuff
in
mind,
and
hopefully
this
will
be
a
good
document
for
us
to
use
going
forward
thanks,
y'all
for
participating
in
this
experiment
of
a
different
way
of
doing
this
to.