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A
Sorry
for
the
pause
welcome
to
the
july
22nd:
let's
just
jump
right
into
introductions,
so
I
can
do
some
quick
post,
the
youtube
link
but
I'll,
introduce
myself.
First,
I'm
tim
erickson,
I'm
in
deerwood,
minnesota
and
yeah.
It's
been
a
very
busy
time.
I
think.
A
I
fixed
that.
I
think
you
all
just
heard
that
I
heard
it
dang.
I
waited
all
that
time
to
mute
that
and
then
it
still
came
on
anyways.
I
I
this
is
our
first
outreach
meeting
after
backdrop
live,
so
I
expect
that
this
will
be
a
good
chance
to
talk
about
that
robert.
Do
you
want
to
go
next
sure?
I'm.
C
D
Thanks
jason,
I
am
luke
mccormick
happy
to
be
back
in
san
ramon.
California,
after
a
few
weeks
in
florida,
have
some
bandwidth
and
then
interested
in
actually
diving
in
and
doing
some
outreachy
type
things
sebastian.
E
My
name
is
sarvishri
and
I'm
barely
a
newbie,
I'm
working
on
a
a
guide,
ultimate
beginner's
guide
to
backdrop.
It's
35
pages
long
now
and
I've
got
three
more
sections
to
do,
and
I
noticed
people
were
looking
at
how
to
set
up
a
backdrop
system
on
zulup.
They
were
talking
about
it
and
I
think
this
will
help
a
lot
of
people.
A
Tim
you're,
muted,
yeah.
I
know
I
was
saying
that,
but
you
couldn't
hear
me
because
I
was
muted.
Okay,
we
all
introduced
her
some.
So
again,
it's
been
a
busy
time.
I
have
not
gotten
anything
particularly
on
the
outreach
agenda
today,
so
if
people
have
things
they
want
on
the
agenda
today,
I
I
think
the
natural
thing
is
for
us
to
talk
about
backdrop,
live
and
and
what's
coming
next,
we
should
look
and
see.
I
think
we
have.
A
A
I
was
just
looking
to
see
if
we
had
dates
penciled
in,
for
the
next
backdrop
live
yet,
and
I
don't
think
we
have,
which
is
fine.
So,
let's
anything
else
that
luke,
you
said
you
might
be
interested
in
doing
some
outreachy
stuff
or
have
some
time
right
now.
Is
there
anything
in
particular
that
you
were
thinking
about
that
you
wanted
to
work
on.
D
Yes
and
no
I've
got
sort
of
specific
ideas,
but
they're
they're,
so
all
over
the
map
that
I'm
I'm
worried,
it'll
come
out
just
like
like
brain
soup.
If,
if
I,
if
I
start,
let's
do
anything,
so
let
me
let
me
kick
back
a
little
bit
and
I'll
just
be
prepared
to
jump
in.
D
I
I
want
to
know
about
savasary's
guide,
because
I
I
missed
that
they
I
haven't
been
following
the
zulu
conversation
that
closely
have
you
released
first
version.
I
just.
E
Have
a
draft
version
right
now
and
three
more
sections
to
do:
I'm
going
to
do
something
on
views,
something
on
creating
a
sub
theme
and
then
another
section
I
don't
know
how
to
do
yet
is
once
you've
developed
an
offline
system,
how
you
put
it
up
on
the
net,
how
you
put
it
live
on
the
net.
So
I'm
not
sure
how
that's
done.
A
Good
questions:
I
think
that
sarvajri
has
shared
the
link
to
his
draft
with
some
people
and
I'm
guessing
that
he'd
be
happy
to
share
his
current
draft
with
you,
because
he
did
a
backdrop.
Live
he
kind
of
shared
it
with
some
folks
that
were
interested.
D
If
you
can
share
with
me,
I'd
I'd,
be
be
happy
to
read
it
and
give
feedback
and
stuff.
D
A
E
E
Fresh
install
of
backdrop
in
your
htdocs
folder
and
unzip
it
every
time
you
want
to
create
a
new
website,
give
it
a
name
and
then
you're
off
and
running,
assuming
you
have
a
a
database
there.
Otherwise
you
have
to
create
a
database
to
link
to,
and
it
makes
it
pretty
easy
to
spin
up
websites
locally.
A
A
A
So
we,
the
the
anybody,
have
any
before
we
talk
about
the
next
one.
Let's
just
the
last
one
there's
been,
there
was
some
debriefing
sort
of
during
and
after
backdrop
live.
Does
anybody
want
to
having
two
about
two
weeks?
Yeah,
it's
been
two
weeks
ago
now,
two
weeks
later
have
any
reflections
on
how
it
went
or
and
or
what
we
should
do
different
next
time.
Well,.
E
I
thought
it
went
really
well.
We
just
need
to
do
more
promotion
ahead
of
time
and
get
more
people
in
that's
the
only
thing
I
see
that
we
were
lacking
really
because
it
goes
pretty
smooth.
Even
if
we
don't
have
a
whole
agenda,
fully
mapped
out
and
everything
perfect,
it
still
works
and
I
think
people
enjoyed
it.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
well,
there
is
I'll
just
comment
that
there
has
been
chatter
about
the
the
ongoing
debate
about
to
record
or
not
to
record.
Everything
has
been
happening
in
slack,
so
some
of
the
sort
of
anecdotal
feedback
we're
getting
is
is
frustration
with
folks
who
weren't
able
to
attend
that
things
weren't
recorded.
I
have
strong
opinions
about
that.
As
people
know
we
you
know
there
is
no.
I
I
don't
think,
there's
a
perfect
solution
here
in
terms
of
recording,
I
like
to
see
as
much
content
as
possible
recorded.
A
A
However,
so
peter
has
been
a
strong
advocate
for
recording
and
peter,
and
I
are
going
to
have
up
a
private
chat
soon
to
sort
of
talk
this
through
and
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
at
least
something
that
we
you
know
come
to
terms
on
that,
but
I
well
I
do.
A
I
welcome
more
people
to
to
chime.
In
on
that
discussion
and
give
us
feedback
so
on
whether
or
not
we
should
record
everything,
one
thing
that
I
think
came
up
in
one
of
the
forums
is:
if,
if
backdrop
live,
is
an
event
that
isn't
designed
to
be
recorded,
do
we
need
maybe
there's
a
place
for
an
event
like
backdrop
live
that
is
more
structured
and
is
recorded.
B
Go
ahead.
Yeah
I
mean
this
is
this
is
something
that
can
be
experimented
with,
that
you
know
it's
not
an
all
or
nothing
thing,
and
so
yeah
seems
like
one
of
the
things
to
do
would
be
to
sort
of
test
the
waters.
On
the
next
backdrop,
live
by
saying
we're
going
to
have
a
small
number
of
recorded
sessions
and
leave
it
to
the
presenter
to
decide
whether
they're
comfortable
leading
a
recorded
session,
and
then,
of
course,
whether
people
are
willing
to
attend
the
session
that
they
know
that
they're
going
to
be
recorded.
B
But,
let's
you
know,
try
it
out
within
a
handful
of
topics,
not
all
of
them,
and
if
people
clamor
for
more
then
that's
great
and
if
no
one
shows
up
to
the
recorded
sessions
because
they
don't
want
to
have
their
questions,
you
know
recording
for
posterity.
B
A
Did
you
have
anything
to
add
robert,
that
that
was
it
okay,
I
I'm
not
against
experimenting,
I'm
absolutely
for
it,
but
the
the
idea
that
we
do
it
and
if
people
show
up
that
means
they're.
Okay
to
me,
isn't
the
test
because
it
isn't.
I
know
people
will
show
up
for
an
event.
That's
recorded.
My
question
is
whether
they'll
participate
or
not,
and
that's
that's
a
harder
thing
to
sort
of
gauge
and
also
you
know,
for
the
people
who
either
don't
show
up
or
don't
participate.
B
At
some
information
shorthand,
of
course,
there's
more
to
it
than
people,
as
you
say,
there's
more
to
it
than
people
showing
up
there's,
and
we
can
also
certainly
get
data
afterwards
by
asking
attendees.
What
did
you
think
of
the
recorded
session?
Did
that
make
a
difference
whether
you
attended
instance
before
yeah
one?
You
know,
there's
there's
lots
more.
That
can
be
done.
If
we
say
you
just
want
to
try
it
out
yeah
and
we
can
test
whether
it
works
so.
D
So
robert's
touching
on
on
sort
of
the
the
elephant
in
the
room
thing
there
that
I
was
waiting
for
a
a
spot
to
bring
in
if
this
is
a
good
time,
I'll
I'll
I'll
go
with
it.
D
I
it's
funny
because
it's
something
that
I've
mentioned
before
and
it
seems
so
easy
and
and
it's
it's
only
it's
only
that
it's
been
a
possibility
for
so
long.
It
hasn't
seemed
to
happen
that
that
I
I
think
there
must
be
some
fundamental
flaw
in
my
vision
but
I'll
I'll.
Just
I'll
start
out
again,
I
I
kind
of
have
I
have
a
vision
that
goes
for
for
for
all
sorts
of
conferences.
D
So
so,
in
this
case
you
know
the
the
particular
the
particular
way
this
would
work
for
something
like
backdrop
live
would
be
in
addition
to,
or
instead
of
or
complementing,
recordings
have
have
a
place
for,
like
group
notes,
and
it
could
be,
you
know,
comments
on
on
a
node,
but
but
just
just
something
so
that
so
that
past
the
event
there
would
be
a
place
where
people
who
were
wondering
so
so
what
happened
in
backdrop
live
that
you
could
kind
of
go
through
the
thing
and
and
and
see
notes,
and
I
mean
the
problem-
is
that
there's
no
secretary
there's
no
job?
D
D
Any
thoughts
on
that
on
on,
like
you
know,
written
like
minutes
basically
but
like
is
it.
Is
there
a
way
to
somehow
capture
minutes
of
of
the
sessions
in
in
a
recognized
spot
so
that
people
would
know
to
look
for?
I.
F
Attend
this
conference
every
fall
called
the
nonprofit
developer
summit.
That
does
a
really
good
job
of
this
and
what
they
essentially
do
is
at
the
beginning
of
every
session
they
assign
a
designated
note
taker,
and
so
before
anything
starts,
that
person
has
volunteered
to
write,
notes
down
and
then,
at
the
end
of
each
session
they
have
the
designated
notetaker
email,
the
notes
to
a
conference
organizer
at
the
end
of
the
conference.
They
have
a
giant,
they
use
a
wiki
site,
but
it
could
be
whatever
we
want.
F
I
think
tim
had
an
idea
of
doing
this.
For
the
last
two
backdrop,
lives,
there's
a
field
on
every
discussion
for
a
shared
collaborative
notes
document.
I
just
think
we
might
need
to
add
into
our
process
that,
like
diligent
step
of
being
like
before,
we
do
anything,
who's,
gonna
write
down
the
notes
and
someone
in
the
room
should
volunteer
for
every
conversation
or
if
they
don't
like,
maybe
the
person
who's
organizing
it
could
for
the
meet
for
the
conference
that
we
do
here.
F
It's
not
like
the
person
who's
facilitating
is
not
allowed
to
be
the
note
taker
and
they
also
assign
a
repertoire
who's.
Someone
who,
like
reports
back
to
the
group
like
the
larger
group,
what
happened?
We
don't
really
have
a
larger
group
setting.
So
I'm
not
sure
that's
necessarily
important,
but
it
is
something
that
also
really
helps
get.
F
Three
people
from
every
session
are
going
to
be
more
actively
involved
because
of
their
role
in
volunteering
one
way
or
another,
and
when
you
have
groups
that
are
small
enough,
like
the
ones
that
we
have,
that
could
be
like.
50
of
the
people
are
now
like
more
actively
involved,
especially
with
an
online
event.
It's
really
easy
to
get
like
distracted
with
all
of
your
other
windows,
open
and
stuff
and
having
a
responsibility
to
pay
attention.
I
think
it
really
improved
the
quality
of
the
conversations
that
we
had.
E
It
yeah
if
people
don't
want
to
be
videoed
for
these
meetings,
is
there
a
way
for
them
to
attend
incognito.
F
So
that's
another
good
question
too.
I
noticed
that
a
lot
of
other
online
conferences
specifically
hide
attendees
from
one
another
and
it
really
harms
the
community
aspect
of
things,
but
I
think
it
solves
this
problem
of
allowing
you
to
show
up
under
like
a
pseudonym
with
no
face
and
no
voice
and
just
sit
there
and
listen
like
a
fly
on
the
wall.
So
I
don't
know
I
have
like
mixed
feelings
like
it's.
F
Both
it
solves
the
problem
we
need,
but
also
like
decreases
the
I
don't
know
the
friendliness,
especially
if
you're,
like
a
presenter,
if
you
like,
can't
see
any
of
the
faces,
it's
a
little
bit
like
talking
to
the
void
and
if
we're
supposed
to
be
having
conversations
and
not
presenting
like
it's
really
hard
to
talk
to
each
other,
if
you
can't
see
each
other,
but
I
don't
know
if
zoom
has
a
like
a
some
kind
of
a
webinar
feature
that
might
have
that
option.
F
F
Want
to
be
anonymous,
I
can
give
you
three
examples
from
people
that
I've
talked
to.
One
of
them
is
that
their
job
doesn't
want
them
to
be
involved
in
backdrop,
and
so
they
can't
be
seen
being
involved
in
backdrop,
even
though
they
might
want
to
be
involved
in
backdrop.
F
Another
one
is
that
they
are
worried
about
their
employer,
finding
out
that
they
are
not
an
expert
in
the
subject
matter
and
them
either
getting
a
decrease
in
pay
or
losing
their
job
and
another
one
is
a
personal
safety
issue
where
they
are
really
concerned
about
somebody
who's,
a
threat
to
them
in
real
life,
knowing
where
they
are
in
real
life
and
attending
an
event
virtually
might
accidentally
reveal
something
about
their
physical
location
that
is
personally
threatening
to
them.
F
So
it's
like
a
safety
problem,
and
this
is
not
like
people
specifically
from
the
backdrop
community
just
want
to
make
that
clear.
These
are
people
who
I've
talked
to
from
other
events
who
have
real
concerns
about
attending
specific
things
for
backdrop,
there
are
people,
people
being
like
not
you
know,
my
job
doesn't
want
me
to
be
involved.
F
With
backdrop
is
very
specific
to
backdrop,
but
for
people
who
are
concerned
about
losing
their
jobs
like
they
don't
want
to
have
a
recording
of
them
asking
a
stupid
question,
because
that's
something
that
a
boss
could
hold
against
them
in
the
future.
It's
something
that
I
think
is
also
like
less
of
an
issue
depending
on
the
type
of
content
we're
producing,
like,
I
feel
like.
F
If
what
it
what
we
did
was
more
like
a
traditional
conference
where
you
had
a
presenter
who
talked
for
an
hour
and
then
you
had
like
five
people
at
the
end
that
asked
questions.
You've
only
got
you
know
those
five
people
that
end
asking
questions
that
are
at
risk,
but
when
you
have
an
entire
hour
devoted
to
people
having
a
conversation
now
all
of
those
people,
in
the
conversation
have
an
hour
of
online
of
material
of
them,
potentially
saying
something
intentionally
or
unintentionally.
F
That
might
get
them
in
trouble
later
and
that
might
not
necessarily
be
not
being
a
subject
expert,
but
sometimes
you
say
things
by
accident
that
just
come
out
entirely
wrong
and
having
all
of
that
recorded
and
online
online,
especially
in
like
the
world
we're
in
today,
where
it'll
be
there
forever
can
be
really
damaging
because-
and
some
people
are
worried
about
it.
So
I
think
it
also
depends
on
like
where
you
are
in
your
life,
whether
this
affects
you
personally
like
for
me.
F
I
work
for
myself,
like
I
say,
stupid
things
all
the
time
online,
like
I'm
comfortable
with
that,
but
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
people,
particularly
in
different
parts
of
the
world,
who
don't
have
that
kind
of
freedom
like
they
are
really
concerned
about.
You
know
their
job
being
their
source
of
income
and
without
it,
they'd
really
be
in
a
lot
of
trouble
and
if
they're
already
like
you
know
not
the
best
one
there
at
something
and
worried
about,
I
don't
know
having
some
some
excuse
for
them
to
get
in
trouble.
A
Drupal
company
that
primarily
makes
their
money
off
of
drupal
and
you're
in
a
backdrop
session,
and
you
want
to
say
something
critical
of
backdrop
or
drupal.
You
know.
Are
you
going
to
feel
comfortable
if
this
is
being
recorded?
And
you
don't
know
whose
hands
it's
going
to
end
up
in?
If
it's
just
a
private
discussion,
you're
much
freer
to
talk,
I
think
too
much
weight
is
put
on
this
idea
of
like
why
do
people
want
to
stay
anonymous
it
to
me?
It
isn't
about
that
so
much
it's
about!
A
I
I
go
into
backdrop
live
is
one
there's
drupalcon
on
a
whole
like
drupalcon
sessions
are
not
interactive
right.
You
go
there
to
sit
and
watch
presentations
and
to
absorb
information.
I
don't
like
that
kind
of
event.
Right,
so
drupalcon
can
record
all
of
their
sessions
very
easily
because
it's
structured
to
be
the
delivery
of
information.
A
Buffs
are
designed
to
be
birds
of
a
feather
for
those
who
aren't
interested
they're,
designed
to
be
interactive
and
they're,
designed
to
be
casual
conversations
between
people
where
you
can
just
sort
of
speak
freely,
ask
information,
share
information
and
not
worry
about
like
if
you're
perceived
as
an
expert,
not
worry.
You
know,
and
I
went
into
backdrop
live-
is
wanting
to
create
an
event
like
that
right,
not
wanting
to
create
a
copy
of
drupalcon,
but
wanting
to
create
an
event
that
focuses
on
interactivity.
A
So
it
isn't
to
you
know.
I
doubt
that
that,
like
the
people
in
the
room
is
going
to
change
if
we
suddenly
start
recording
it,
but
what
I
think
is
going
to
change
is
who's
willing
to
say
what
whether
people
are
willing
to
turn
on
their
cameras.
There
were
people
at
backdrop,
live
that
never
said
a
thing
and
never
showed
their
face,
and
yet
they,
I
saw
them
in
four
or
five
or
six
different
sessions,
and
my
goal
is
to
try
and
get
them
to
feel
comfortable.
A
If
you
know,
I
don't
care
whether
they
show
their
face,
but
I'd
like
them
to
ask
questions,
and
I
don't
I
just
can't
envision
a
scenario,
we're
saying:
oh,
if
we
record
this
we're
going
to
increase
the
likelihood
that
they
will
feel
free
to
ask
questions.
I
mean
even
when
it's
not
recorded
they're,
still
reluctant
to
do
that,
and
and
so
for
me,
that's
a
lot
of
what
it's
about.
A
John
I'm
going
to
have
a
discussion
next
week
with
peter
and
talk
to
him
a
little
bit
more
about
his
concerns,
just
a
private
meeting.
So
there
is
some
progress
being
made
on
this
because
this
I've
been
getting
frustrated
because
it's
it's
like
just
this
sort
of
issue
that
keeps
going
on
in
the
background-
and
I
you
know,
I
don't
know
how
we
make
a
decision
that
makes
everybody
happy
unless
we
have
some
conversations
about
it
with
with
the
people
who
are
frustrated
right.
F
So
I'd
like
to
add
something
too,
I
think
you
really
hit
on
the
problem.
There
is
that
people
have
very
different
expectations
of
what
a
backdrop
event
should
provide,
and
I
think
too
tim
you
and
I
are
sort
of
on
the
same
page
about
like
these
are
boss:
they're,
not
presentations,
but
I
think
that
there
are
people
who
expect
an
event
to
be
full
of
presentations,
and
if
there
aren't
presentations,
they
expect
the
same
format
of
material.
F
Like
you
know,
written
notes
of
video
and
honestly,
I
think
we
need
more
of
that.
For
backdrop
like,
we
need
more
videos
of
how
to
do
stuff
on
backdrop,
and
we
need
more
notes
and
blog
posts
and
whatever
we
can
get,
and
I
I
feel
that
I
feel
that
desire.
I
feel
you
know
that
there
we
don't
there
might
be
a
session.
You
want
to
attend,
and
it's
not
the
time
right
time
of
day
for
you,
I
I
I
can
feel
that
there's
a
need
for
that,
but
I
don't
necessarily
think
the
backdrop
live.
F
Is
the
thing
that's
going
to
solve
that
problem
and
one
of
the
things
I
mentioned
when
peter
brought
this
up
in
the
issue,
q2
about
it
being
the
wrong
kind
of
event,
and
I
was
like
well
maybe
what
we
should
have
is
another
event:
that's
more
like
what
people
are
expecting
of
a
drupal
con.
That
does
offer
this
kind
of
presentation
that
is
suitable
for
recording.
That
has
only
one
presenter
that
produces
this
content
that
we
so
desperately
need,
and
we
just
need
to
brand
it
appropriately.
F
So
people
know
the
backdrop
live
is
a
live
setting
where
you're
sitting
there
talking
to
people
and
like
backdrop
con
or
whatever
it
is
it's
more
of
a
traditional
conference
where
you
do
have
presenters
and
all
that
other
stuff,
and
I
think
that
if,
if
we
had
something
for
everyone,
it
might
not
be
so
hard
to
make
the
one
thing
we
have
into
something
that
makes
everyone
happy,
and
I
don't
know
necessarily
how
we
would
do
that.
F
But
I
do
think
that
that
is
the
underlying
problem
is
that
we
have
needs
for
all
the
things
and
we
only
have
a
solution
for
one
of
the
things
and
it's
hard
to
make
everybody
happy
with
that.
E
So
our
solution
that
we
thought
about
was
then
we
could
just
make
very
short
videos
like
one
minute,
two
minute
videos
that
answer
a
particular
question.
Then,
if
we
had
a
way
to
search
and
discover
those
things,
then
people
could
go
get
that
information
and
get
that
education
that
they
want.
Just
answer
a
quick
question.
I,
like
the
way
people
use,
use
youtube
all
the
time,
they're
curious
about
how
to
do
something
they
search
on
youtube.
E
They
find
a
few
people
talking
about
it
and
they
get
what
they
want,
but
in
a
technical
arena,
youtube
is
not
a
good
area
as
much
as
maybe
something
that
we
could
create.
E
A
So
I
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
solve
this
problem
today.
I
think
we
have
some
ideas.
We
know
we
know,
there's
frustration
in
the
community
about
wanting
more
recorded
materials,
and
I
think
we
should
try
to
figure
that
out.
Maybe
we
may
need
more
different
types
of
events.
We
need
to
keep
talking
about
that.
Maybe
it's
possible
to
do
more
of
both
in
backdrop
live.
I
don't
know.
A
I
don't
know
if
we
can
solve
this
today,
but
we
should
at
least
talk
about.
Is
we
don't?
I
think
after
the
first
one
we
schedule
two
more
and
we
don't
have
dates
for
our
next
one,
and
I
think
the
first
thing
we
have
to
decide
is:
are
we
are
we
ready?
Do
we
have
the
resources?
A
Do
we
want
to
go
ahead
with
another
one
or
four
months
from
now,
and
you
know
yeah
whatever
you
know,
I
think
the
biggest
decision
would
be
dates,
although
there
yeah
there's
also
been
some
talk
like
this-
is
in
any
way
connected
with
a
live
event.
I
think
we've
talked
about
bad
camp
before,
but
bad
camp's
not
happening
this
year
right,
jen,
yes,
right.
Okay,
that's
correct!
A
E
A
Thought,
let's,
let's
do
just
short,
shorter,
24-hour
events
twice
a
year
and
then
maybe
once
a
year
to
a
bigger
event.
Now
our
shorter
event
sort
of
got
bigger
over
the
last
two
events,
so
we
actually
went
for
almost
like
you
know
a
day
and
a
half.
A
I
don't
know
that
worse
and
I
think
I
heard
some
comments
at
the
last
backdrop
live
that
maybe
that
is
a
really
good
time,
so
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
go
back
to
the
48
hour
two-day
event
or,
but
you
know,
there's
still
some
logic
that
maybe
once
a
year
the
event
is
different
than
the
others.
You
know.
Maybe
maybe,
though,
once
a
year
is
the
recorded
event
that
the
other
two
are
the
non-recorded
or
something
like
that.
A
I
don't
know,
but
you
know,
but
my
point
being,
is
that
there's
nothing
that
says
that
every
background
event
or
live
has
to
be
exactly
the
same,
and
so
what
do
people
think
about
one
are
we
are
we
ready
to
do
another
one
at
the
end?
What
would
it
be
four
months
from
now
july
august
september
november,.
F
So
I
definitely
think
we
should
do
another
one.
I
am
open
to
what
it
would
look
like.
I
think
november
is
hard
because
that's
starting
to
get
into
holiday
season,
I
would
love
to
see
it
at
the
end
of
september.
F
Instead,
I
think
my
test
site
had
like
september
14-16
on
an
event
I
was
working
on,
but
I
don't
know
that
we've
ever
talked
about
that.
I
just
saw
it
there.
It
was
like
oh
there's
a
date,
but
maybe
I
made
it
up.
F
I
I
like
the
idea
of
having
one
bigger
event
or
one
event,
that's
recorded
and
maybe
like
the
way
we
can
make
so
one
another
thing,
that's
been
a
little
hard.
Is
that
like
when
we
ask
people
to
submit
session
proposals,
we
don't
get
any
right
like
this.
Last
time
we
had
a
place
on
the
website
for
people
to
give
presentations
and
we
got
zero,
and
so
that's
a
little
hard
in
terms
of
creating
an
event.
F
If
you
want
to
have
a
schedule
with
online
stuff,
you
know
if
you
have
zero
people
showing
up
to
be
presenters,
and
you
have
everybody
wanting
to
give
up
off.
That
creates
your
event
for
you,
so
yeah.
I
think
it
might
be
interesting
if
we
did
some
outreach
with
different
marketing
to
see
what
we
got
and
see
like
if
we
do
get.
If
we
don't
get
any
anyone
who
wants
to
do
a
presentation,
then
we
have
another
bop
event
and
we
do
get
a
bunch
of
people
who
want
to
do
presentations.
F
We
can
do
presentations,
I
would
expect-
and
this
is
the
same
thing
for
what
I
found
for
in
person.
Drupal
events
too,
is
that
it
really
takes
somebody
who's
dedicated
to
reaching
out
to
everyone
and
being
like.
F
Will
you
give
a
presentation
on
x
in
order
to
get
a
good
schedule,
and
I
think
tim
you've
done
a
lot
of
that
work
for
us
in
the
past,
even
for
you
know
just
getting
people
to
organize
conversations
and
that's
going
to
be
a
lot
harder
if
we're
asking
for
people
to
prepare
presentations
ahead
of
time,
also
right.
A
A
To
reach
out
ask
people,
and-
and
you
know
that's
not
a
surprise
to
me-
so
I'm
not
complaining
about
that.
I
think
it's
normal,
but
I
think
there's
an
expectation
from
some
people
that
or
some
people
don't
see
that
and
they
think
that
people
are
just
coming
to
us
with
these
ideas
and
we
really
have
to
work
for
them.
A
A
So
and
again,
just
in
case
anybody's
part
of
the
so
every
four
months
is
what
we
had
in
mind.
The
other
sort
of
time
factor
was
to
try
to
keep
it
sort
of
between
releases.
A
Our
very
first
one
was
very
close
to
a
release.
I
think,
and
then
we
tried
to
sort
of
you
know
put
it
in
between
releases.
So
I
think
that's
where
november
would
be
between
releases,
but
we
could
shift
that
forward
a
little.
A
D
A
Okay,
I
mean
I
I
sort
of
I
feel
like
early
november-
might
still
be
possible,
but
I
don't
care
october
is
also
good
when
when
was
our
first
one
was
that
I
think
that
was
in
like
october,
or
was
it
even
in
september?.
E
A
Friday,
I
think
the
earliest
it
starts
for
any
it's
either
friday,
saturday
or
saturday.
Sunday
is
when
it's
been
recently,
depending
on
where
you
are,
but
that
isn't
necessarily
the
right
mix
right.
We
could
shift
it
to
be
more
thursday,
friday,
friday,
saturday.
F
So
there's
also
halloween
to
work
around,
which
is
tough
for
parents
that
have
kids.
If
we
do
something
too
close
to
halloween
so
last
weekend
october
would
be
29
30
and
that's
the
day
or
30
29
31,
whatever
that
range
is,
and
that
could
be
hard
for
parents.
F
A
A
Either
works
for
me,
I'm
comfortable
with
the
1st
of
november
just
keep
it
closer
to
our
our
current
every
four
months.
Actually,
that
would
only
be
moving
it
up
by
like
a
week
from
what
it
might
have
normally
been.
I
think.
A
A
So
well,
I'm
comfortable
with
that.
A
A
That's
talk
about
the
one
other
thing
that
really
isn't
working
in
backdrop
live
because
and
it's
important
to
the
dates,
which
is
the
the
global
schedule
right,
we're
still
not
getting
people
at
night
or
you
know
like
in
the
european
time
zones.
Now.
This
was
a
particularly
bad
one.
A
Given
mid-summer,
it's
just
a
bad
time
to
engage
with
our
a
lot
of
our
european
colleagues.
Some
of
our
most
active
europeans
were
on
vacation,
so
october
might
be
much
better,
but
I'm
bringing
this
up
because
the
the
current
schedule
means
that
backdrop
live
starts
in
europe
like
friday
night
and
the
bulk
of
it
would
be
saturday.
A
The
the
current
schedule
works
nice
for
us
in
the
us,
because
we
have
a
good
chunk
of
it
on
friday
and
a
bit.
You
know
a
big
chunk
of
it
on
saturday
and
if
we're
you
know,
if
we're
really
trying
to
get
more
european
participation,
I
don't
know.
Maybe
we
need
to
rethink
when
we
started.
A
We
don't-
and
that
is-
we've
talked
about
that
as
as
a
goal
to
get
better
european
participation.
So
I
I
think,
having
a
european
coordinator
would
be
really
the
most
important
thing
we
could.
E
A
Well,
maybe
that's
our
first
goal
before
we
worry
about
the,
and
if
we
get
a
european
coordinator,
then
we
can
get
them
involved
in
like
do.
We
need
to
shift
the
schedule,
but
without
a
european
coordinator,
maybe
that
the
discussion
of
the
schedule
is
mute
and
we
should
just
stick
with
what
we
got.
A
We
did
have
a
number
of
europeans
participate,
we
did
have
one
or
two
sessions
in
the
european
time
zone.
Actually
we
have
one
of
our
european
friends
joining
us
right,
steve
is
is,
and
I
think
actually
steve
was
offering
to
be
a
little
more
involved.
Maybe
in
the
next
one
steve
we're
talking
about.
A
A
E
Anyways
groundhog
day.
F
A
Well,
I
don't
remember
what
if
it
was
sarvashri
or
somebody
suggested
that
maybe
a
week
the
week
before
halloween
and
so
or
no
luke.
I
think
maybe
look
like
that
and
I
don't
I
don't
really
care.
I
guess
either
the
first
that
first
week
in
november
or
the
week
before,
halloween
either
works
for
me.
So.
A
It's
okay,
I
did
it.
I
did
it
earlier
in
the
meeting.
So
so,
let's,
barring
no
objections,
I'm
going
to
put
the
22nd,
23rd
and
24th
down,
is
our
tentative
date
or
is
our
date
are
working
dates?
I
don't
want
to
call
them
they're
our
working
days,
meaning
that
I
think
we
still
have
time
to
change
them
if
we
get
input,
but
that's.
F
A
It's
almost
we've
only
got
five
minutes
before
the
next
meeting,
so
that's
our,
I
think
our
biggest
is.
Should
we
for
now
stick
with
the
same
sort
of
30
like
roughly
30
36
hour
time
schedule
that
we
had.
F
F
E
A
So
he
here's,
my
only
caveat.
Is
I'm
happy
with
the
schedule?
I
think
it
does
work
well
for
the
us.
My
concern
is
with
europe,
but
again
I
to
me,
unless
we
have
somebody
actively
promoting
this
in
europe,
I'm
not
sure
that
we
want
to
worry
about
that
too
much,
and
if
we
do
get
someone
actively
promoting
in
europe,
then
we
can
talk
to
them
and
see
what
if
they
feel
like
there
are
some
adjustments
we
need
to
make
to
make
it
easier.
A
A
I
I
think,
at
this
stage,
we're
still
open
to
the
the
other
thing
we
brought
up
was.
Is
there
any
format?
Change
for
this
is
if
this
is
like
the
first
annual
the
this.
If,
if
we
want
to
hold
on
to
that
idea
that
once
a
year,
we
do
something
a
little
different,
we
can't
this
would
be
a
good
time
to
do
it.
What
that
different
thing
is,
I
think
we
still
haven't
decided,
so
people
can
continue
to
think
about
that.
A
I
think
there's
no
doubt
that
this
is
a
virtual
event.
Well,
yeah.
One
other
idea
that
has
been
floated
in
the
past
was
it
was,
was
doing
something
with
now.
Well,
I
think
that
would
be
a
different
event,
but
doing
something
with
another
another
like
cms
community
or
something
and
having
maybe
a
more
general
event,
an
open
source,
cms
type
event,
but
I
think
our
decision
in
the
past
has
been
that
if
we
did
that,
that
would
be
a
different
event,
not
part
of
the
backdrop
live
series.
A
Anything
else,
any
backdrop
live
related
that
we
can
get
done
in
a
few
minutes.
Anything
else
just
outreach
related.
G
A
Okay,
I
think
maybe
we
need
to
use
we
at
this
time
in
the
the
planning
cycle.
Last
time,
I
think
my
my
thought
was
that
we
would
mention
backdrop
live
during
the
outreach
meetings,
but
I
expected
the
planning
to
happen
outside
of
the
outreach
meetings
and
that
might
not
have
been
realistic.
I
think
we
maybe
need
to
use
the
out.
You
know
just
plan
on
doing
a
lot
of
the
the
planning
for
backdrop,
live
in
the
outreach
meetings
and
keep
it
on
our
agenda.