Backdrop CMS Outreach, 2 May 2019

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Today’s outreach agenda: http://bit.ly/2Xn21sf

A

All right we're on air today is Thursday May 2nd, and this is a meeting to check in on community outreach issues Joseph just right before the meeting asked a great question which Joseph I'd like to have you with me again, so that we can have a little discussion about it. Yeah.

B

So I was just wondering what we can do to encourage like more contributed themes and humors to be involved because I'm, a back-end person and what I'm trying to build a website by myself I have a really hard time with the theming part. So yeah I've been working on tools for this like the color module or some font related stuff, but I don't know it doesn't really seem to make things easier from at least for me and I was just wondering what we could do to get more good, contributed themes, yeah.

A

I think this is an excellent question to ask, because it's something that I also think makes that drop. It will make backup a lot more compelling to potential adopters if there are a lot of really great themes out there so that you can try it have it look good right away. um You know if somebody tries a new product and they trying theme and the theme looks terrible. Then they're like oh well, I get the idea that I can change the theme, but it's not necessarily like wow I want this.

A

um So we need we need themes. We need theme developers and we need to figure out how to make backdrop, a more pleasant environment for them. I think we're gonna. Look. You brought up a great point too, that this is always been a pain point in Drupal and because we're inheriting triples legacy. We're also inheriting this end point, but we do have an opportunity here to recognize that it's a problem and to fix it I have started so I spend a bunch of time this weekend.

A

I don't know what day it was, but I got really tired and figured I couldn't work on code anymore. So instead I spent a bunch of time like organizing the issue queue because I love, organizing things and I was in there all day anyway, and it was making me frustrated and I little things that I thought might help like not treating front-end developers differently from background developers. I think is something that's gonna, make it more inviting for front-end developers like I, think in the Drupal community.

A

Femurs are often considered like second-class citizens and I think that their opinions aren't necessarily considered and their skills aren't respected in a way that I think that we can change a little bit in backdrop, so starting to do that by changing the terminology, a little bit where I am calling front-end developers front-end developers rather than themers all throughout the issue. Queue I removed the tech for T, X, femur experience and just replaced it with DX developer experience, I documented.

A

What all those little tags mean and indicate that we should use that for all types of developers, so like I'm, trying to do a little bit on the community side of like how we're going to treat these things, but I think we also need to approach this from like a code side too and have if we could get just a couple of super vocal front-end developers like Wes, for example, to come in and say. This is what sucks about a theming in backdrop and if we can find a way to fix those things.

A

I think it'll make the platform much more attractive to front-end developers initially, which I think is good I'm, not sure how many of those major changes we can make in one to X cycle. But we won't know that until we have a list of like what are the pain points and a sort of priority of how can we fix them?

A

I also think we need to have more examples of how to beam a site in backdrop, like I know, with Drupal, there's a bunch of great tutorials now they're like oh, do you want to write and make a custom key for your Drupal site having the same sort of thing like how to make a custom came to your backdrop site, it's probably going to be really valuable for us, especially because we might be appealing to people that don't know how to do.

A

Drupal specific stuff, like Nick, is something ah that's kind of one of the major things that makes theming easy interval and backdrop that a lot of people don't know about anything coming more information out there, for that would be good in our online documentation of API site I. Think the only we have like one massive page on like how to create a theme.

A

It might be good to sort of revisit that and make sure it's more digestible like maybe we need to have like a page on soon Gaiman page, on a base theme page on like how to use color module to change your theme or whatever, just so that we can get more people with HTML CSS experience involved in making these things without needing to know all the crazy Drupal specific stuff um I, don't know how to find those people.

A

We could also potentially make those people. um This might be a really good job for summer intern or.

B

A

Like that, where we're like okay, the goal is to make this looks like look like this picture figure it out and try- and you know, you'll- have to learn some basic CSS stuff, but if we can have good enough documentation that people can get that part done, that might not be enough to get new people and to be like hey I mean. If you let me, contribute it and then maybe you get you know more people working in the kinship space on front-end stuff, rather than having nothing just sort of only I know.

A

Another thing that I think we mentioned like a couple of years ago, but haven't talked about recently, is trying to get companies that already create Drupal, WordPress Joomla themes, even HTML templates and distribute them on places where you can buy themes like theme, forest or template monster. Whatever those sites are about out there to take something, they've already done, purgable and adapted for backdrop, because that in theory could be super low effort for them.

A

um I have worked with several HTML templates that I've gotten from team force and have turn them into backdoor themes and I have reached out to the creators of the original themes and said like hey. Do you want to distribute?

A

Is this is a backdrop version, but a problem that I ran into is they're like sure, but if theme force doesn't have a button for like give me a backdrop, theme they're not gonna, sell that, because there isn't like an avenue for them to do that, so they'll take it and have it, and if someone asks for they can give it away. But it's not it's not an incentive for them. In the same way, um I don't know how to make back drop a button. I think that there has.

A

There has to be enough requests from current sellers for that to be a thing, so we're a little bit in a chicken and egg scenario or like we need the sellers and the sellers need to make money and they can't make money until there's enough sellers.

A

So I don't know how to do that. But I do feel like that's an avenue. We can for sale if we can figure out how to make that happen. I.

C

Like some thoughts, yeah yeah, this you talked about the the chicken and egg situation and address really good issues relative to the chickens. You know the the themers I'd like to suggest that there that we should have like an initial spike to get some eggs like like it would be. You know it's good to have in general, more out-of-the-box, usable themes, but I I. Think I. Think you need a critical mass. That's that's a really small number like we could.

C

If we had like three solid themes that we're like you could use this, you could use this. You can look different, so the people got the idea of like okay I can click here boom I can hit here. Oh, it's dark I could hit here. Oh it's. You know candy color, whatever, like just just to give some sense of of what themes can do and then that way you know people creating their own sites. Who don't have you know deep development skills could tutorial themselves.

C

So you know we can guide them to setting up backdrop and starting things and installing a theme, but but it always comes down to like well, you have the either choice of having seen it just looks unfinished or this gigantic commitment to learn, teaming or font. You know like this whole kind of thing, so so I don't propose an initiative to just find just a handful and I mean you might already have them. Maybe yeah.

A

I think there's.

C

A forest or that you know that kind of thing, so I.

A

Would love to have a couple of really solid, beautiful finished themes? I'm, not sure those exist even for triple it's like oh yeah, like not the way to do for WordPress.

C

There are some like if you dig, if you go into Drupal same thing and and you go for the most popular themes after you scroll past 15 or so you know, base themes that are completely useless out of the books of the good ones. If you know that these exists, business.

A

C

Think comes up. You know, 15 themes down the list to see if we can.

A

Factor because we did have at the very beginning and he went through and he grabbed like you know, 12 themes that he used and ported them to backdrop, but this was like before we had layout support like this was very early. So now all 15 of those that you follow that work in need and update, but I think it would also be good if, rather than looking at like, these are the 15, the and II used.

A

If we also looked at like the most successful ones in Drupal and tried to make those work for backdrop and adapt, those that might also be another big win. So maybe we need like a list of like here here are the themes that look beautiful for Drupal. Let's make these also look beautiful for backdrop, and that might also be really good for someone who maybe he's using that future goal to see what backdrop would look like with the same skin on it.

A

D

Can I jump in because for the last two months, I've been thinking a lot about this too, and they have identified this as an area that I could have a big impact, especially I can actually contribute technically and not just like as an organizer right, because I, that's where my skills are probably stronger. I don't have a lot of time, though so I don't know how realistic that is.

D

I talked to jam that mid camp and took over maintainer ship of an abandoned theme, specifically because it had broken color module, support and I wanted to work on the theme with that I just sort of officially changed the readme file with my name about a week ago and haven't done anything on it except except basically started an issue. Saying hey I'd like to rework this theme and make it useful and I'm happy to share that.

D

You know who wants to be a I, haven't really told anybody that yet so, but so that's an area I'm starting to work in I mean I. Think as I said, my other skill I think is organizing stuff. So did we lose Luke or you just frozen.

B

D

Are still the other thing is well yeah I mean I, think how to bring these people and engage them again. I always go back to events and stuff right, so maybe there needs to be at least on a temporary basis, a regular sort of theming meetup meeting. Where we set some goals and say hey, we want to get those important ratings and if you want to be a part of that, let's meet on a regular basis and talk about that. Well,.

A

We've been organized like our next sprint right, focused on, like hey, we're all gonna work on this one theme and whether it's like you know one of the Indies themes that we decide to make support layouts and colored module or whatever, or something from Tripoli pull over I still think that might be really fun for people who want to get contributed to want to work in a collaborative environment to have like a goal of like okay, we're gonna take you know one day or two days or whatever and we're gonna fix one thing and Tim Geer organizing skills.

A

You could help like facilitate like putting people in the same room or coming up with like a division of tasks or whatever it is and help organize that. But then also during the sprint, you could be using your technical skills, which I think would have. You, like you know, be able to take off your organizer hat and put on your like. Let's go huh so I like all these ideas, I think of repeating front-end Meetup might be too much right now, but what what I was thinking is for your group.

B

Design doesn't had like no.

A

Recurring like, like you know, every third meeting is a front-end meeting or something like that, so that was integrated with it all the other stuff. So we could talk about very specific issues like how to get from Drupal 7 to layouts and your theme, or something like that, like just a theme focus so that we can engage those people in the same way that we're engaging back-end developers well.

C

What's the what's the alternate noon, meeting that that's not the design, it isn't that what the design meetings, design.

A

Meeting is to talk about design and usability issues, in fact up core right.

B

A

This issue is really about like how do we foster can trip, so it's not just let's take take a product and make it better, for you know whoever's using it, but just look sort of the design focus is, but this is like: let's make it better for front-end developers all.

C

Right, I, don't know, let me let me push back on that. A little bit I. You know we're a platform, we're a toolkit right like I I, don't I, don't think core in key trigger or that separate worlds really.

A

And we are everything is a little gray area, but that time specifically was reserved for improving the product, not the platform. Now, if we feel like this time is better student, improving the platform like you talked about the same thing, all the time to design meeting, maybe that's I'm telling you maybe should be purpose that meeting and integrate in the usability issues back into the weekly developer meeting and make that maybe it doesn't even have to be a design focus.

A

It should be like a contributing where, like right now, all the names are focused on front-end can trip, but maybe after you know, oh well, we could put in a meeting that would be on like. Oh, we have this module API issue whatever. um That might also do something worth considering like we want to use whatever time we have to the best of our abilities and, if not more important than all the stuff we're doing the design meeting. Now, let's just repurpose the meeting. Okay.

C

I was thinking you just an agenda. Item might fit into that meeting. Girls yeah.

A

You're not gonna, get like so for all the people attending that meeting or people working on core. That's not the right audience for I would like to have anything where people who don't feel like they need to be core developers are more comfortable asking questions. Anything answers something more like a user group meeting, I just.

D

Want to throw this out too, which is I, hesitate to suggest another meeting, because I don't want to put more on the existing for volunteers. So I think, but I think that if you did do another meeting and I'm I'm aware of the arguments, the goal would be to get that to be. You know a place for new people to come in and and to really explicitly tell we're not asking our existing volunteers to divide their time any further right. So I could even explicitly say you know before we started that meeting it's like.

D

Are there five people out there that want to under you know, new people that want to undertake this initiative and here's a chance for us to get together each we eat. You know each week or every two weeks and talk about that now. The idea of repurposing, that's also a totally legit idea, but I think if we're always afraid to start a new group, because we're dividing ourselves then we'll never get better, hurt either Yeah right. So there's a don't.

A

Think you mentioned there Tim was that like if we had a new meeting, what we could do is whoever it was who wanted to. You know, run it or organize it. They could report to the core design usability meeting.

A

The issues that come up in the main meeting they're like hey, like we're all doing all this stuff and contribute we're an into this issue that needs to be fixed in core and they can tie those two groups together where maybe new people wouldn't feel comfortable showing up and like a cord of over meeting, but they still have their voice heard, because the facilitator could raise things when necessary. So I like that idea, my concern right now is like gonna run, the new meeting, and my instinct is that you will volunteer to do it.

A

I don't want you to.

A

D

I was ready so at some point, I feel like I feel like it could be helpful to me at some point. If I start working on this theme right because then what I would use is my opportunity to to sort of leverage and focus on that, but you're right, I I can't do it right now. Maybe.

A

After Twin Cities start calming down a little bit for you that.

D

A

Be a good time to revisit, but yeah I mean I would love to have another meeting that was, you know focused more on these, like users and humans needs it. Calling every penny when users, the backup adopters.

A

And yeah just another avenue for people to get questions answered and their concerns heard, I think and I want I, don't really have strong feelings about keeping the current design meeting in its exact format, especially it starts to get repetitive, boring, but I think that if we do change it, we need to like kind of put some effort into calling it something different or at least letting everybody know that it's gonna not be what they think it is so they're not like.

A

Oh that's not for me and ignore it so changing its name or changing its time or something to communicate to people like hey. We have a new meeting, we're not doing this anymore, we're not doing something different and then people might read think attending that meeting. Well,.

C

Look my perspective and it is originals coming just to these outreach meetings, but I kept I started to show up with the design meetings and they seemed very similar to this. So so that's why I was feeling like that might be a little bit more fluid yeah.

A

C

Originally I think.

A

This time slot was only for a design and it was created specifically because people who are not coders that wanted to contribute felt like they did. They needed to have as much respect as the like weekly developer, meaning gated people and so a you need a place to voice your concerns. But these are core contributors who don't develop right. So it's very specific audience. Well now we have another specific audience that needs a voice.

A

These are non core contributors who are working in can trim I, don't know that those is the same audience but I, don't I. Also, don't know that all the people who were originally participating in the design meetings are still around contributing and feeling their that need that husband met. So maybe it will be good to like reek like okay, like we're holding space for that. If we need to, but right now other needs, we need to address them. Maybe it's higher favor yeah.

C

Okay, I think we've raised the issue and we can let him ponder and our heads a bit. Okay is.

A

There any like immediate action item like for the next yes I mean so we just posted on the whole thing to like postman cities, know.

D

I'm very small thing: yeah I was doing that I was telling Luke I was doing the newsletter and I was thinking. We should announce other things and well, let's announce the next virtual user group meeting, so I missed arbitrarily yesterday decided the teaming should be the next user topic for the next main virtual user group. So that's one small thing: we can do right now, yeah no, but for to not next Tuesday the recalc. Do we want to call it front-end development? Yes,.

A

Ding teaming is not a word. What developing is okay um yeah, so you can say like developing themes or creating themes or something I have the same issue with training.

A

Training training is not a noun ratings of Bert bothers me, people say I'm doing the training I'm like no you're, not you can use this adjective.

A

Darn humans- and they just use things until they become real anyway. Sorry about my grumpy grand but yeah I love the idea of putting in the newsletter I love. The idea for visiting was thought. Maybe post I am so we all have a little more time to figure it out.

C

Well, we have controversy or vocabulary issues coming up in a few minutes here. Oh.

A

In the developer meeting no.

C

No on the agenda on the note: 2 blog post, I'm, I'm, jumping ahead I, don't know if I should be there or not. But oh.

A

Okay, well, yeah sure why don't we go back to the agenda um newsletter, Tim, just internet.

A

You might also promote the backdrop pre-release that could be fun, um I'm, not sure how broken it is. We shouldn't forget about it, I think it's fine, but I, think Nate's gonna actually cut a downloadable like preview release. That includes everything went in yesterday, and so that might be something that maybe is worth putting in the newsletter. Maybe.

B

A

Like a footnote like, are you curious that I don't know, but definitely like some kind of language about it? You not ready yet that's just a thought and then I don't remember the kinds of things that we put in our last newsletters, but you probably have access to them. So if you wanted to see like what what goes in there, I think at one point we put in like a bulleted list of like upcoming events, and if we know what the locations are major yeah I don't know just.

D

Write one of the questions is that there's like a number of camps listed but I, don't know if any of them, if there's like, if you have sections your training schedule, any of them sorry.

D

I, don't have all.

A

The time I do it, it was just Thank, You Kirby, absolutely my to it, but there should be so on the event fridge. It should have a bullet or like if you've had a talk, selected it'll say talk to your sessions. If there's a training scheduled, it should say: okay, training, workshops and I've seen this.

A

So the only things that are like, maybe unofficial, as if it says holy conversations. That means we don't know yet or yeah if it says sprints, sometimes it's like hallway conversations or boss, but then those are like on official things. If it's a sprint to training, Oh or a session, then it's official.

E

D

But like for Asheville, is there anything on their site yet do you know that would that I could link to her.

A

I don't know, but I do know that my session was recently accepted and they have a training I think you can sign up for the training right now. Okay,.

A

C

Say all the time.

C

Is a real word, it.

A

Has to be it used to not be, but humans used it and now it is, and that's important I think the language works right.

B

Yeah things become a real word when you say it, and everyone knows what you mean by it: yeah.

A

It's not just you saying something funny world's adopted it: okay,.

D

So there is something on the Asheville website. I can look at some of the others. Here's my thing. You know it's we're only a month out from the minicamp, so I want to get this out. Asap feel like I'm already behind so I. Don't want to. You know, delay.

A

It better to do more newsletters with less in them, so I would say for anyone that you're working on don't go more than three things. So, if you already have like hey this whole thing is about mini camp by the way, there's also a new release coming out whatever else and then said: okay.

D

Well, I mean I think we could list a couple of events as one thing like just under upcoming events that.

A

Could be they're like here's all the information about mini camp by the way here. Some other upcoming events also trust me anything a.

D

Question about the newsletter, so there what it looks like we've got like 2,000 overall addresses, but the last couple of emails have been to a subset which is like agreed to or something yeah.

A

All lists that were allowed to email, okay, so there's this recent thing that happens, that, like you, had to like double opt-in to everything. So the smaller lists are the people who we Millman said. If you really want to be on a list- and they said yes and those people were now allowed to email, but the larger list is consists of everybody.

A

Who's ever either signed up or donated money back when we had an IndieGoGo campaign and it I think the way email marketing works is that they assume that one email address is never trust able after more than two or something like that, and so like with MailChimp they're like have you prune your two-year-old emails like every time you try to send one to everyone, they really don't like that, and so I think this is like a liability for them to where they're like you like.

A

These might not be real people, they might not be the people, you think they are we're, not gonna, let you whatever. So we have to only send to the smaller list unless other people start opting it yet and.

D

A

Talk to the marketing firm about doing a bulk export of olive oil, the emails are just getting them out of MailChimp. We.

B

A

Have room for more sign up so right now, we're kind of like we're. Almost gonna have to pay for a new larger account, but if we can prune those unusable people out of there, then we get a look by ourselves over time because.

D

This yeah, this is a big deal right. It's instead of 2,000 email addresses. We've got really like 250, which isn't much, which might mean that I think there's a lot more people who would like to be hearing from us. So maybe it means that we need to be making a better effort at getting people. You know on that list, yeah.

A

And I think we've got a couple of things that we're working on they'll, help that, like making user forum in the forum or backdrop statements or actually allow you to sign up for Hampton would be helpful because we're getting a whole bunch of people there all the time, but they don't necessarily manually. But it looks like a part of the process where it's like once you sign up we're gonna. Add you to the mailing list. Unless you opt out, it won't be like oh yeah I want that and then you know they'd be yeah.

A

It might also be worth sending like a one-time email when we get that set up everybody's already in there and missed the checkbox looks like so. You know.

A

Yeah we've got to be careful with the legal stuff for Sunday for MailChimp yeah.

D

I don't know, but I did you know how many of the sort of gdpr when emails you sent out, did you just do one or should there be? If we're gonna prune the list, should there be one final email to everybody, saying yeah or did.

A

Your replies so MailChimp specifically had like hey Gbps here's the thing you have to do that I think went to everybody who is using Baughman, so we followed whatever there Construction things for which I think was like one emails, the whole list that was hooked up to an automatic forum that changed their status in MailChimp from like anything to or whatever. That is that you saw in there.

A

So I don't know if they're they have a way for us to do that again, like repeat that process, to send it to the people who didn't opt-in, initially I guess, but they would I, don't know if we did it or not, but that might be something like so look into. Okay,.

D

Well, our email list right now, it's less valuable than I thought. It was just given that number so yeah, okay,.

A

All right, okay,.

A

What is a blog post, so I'm gonna write up a summary about how the sprint went also did to Tim, and you don't have to go public schedule. I feel like a failure, and I also want to do an upgrade versus migration blog post, because we have a lot of people asking about migrating to backdrop and I want to make sure that there's clear understanding that terminology of like there's updating the backdrop. If you want to migrate direction, you can. But that means something different and explaining what that is because, like.

C

This isn't the this is. This is where I wanted to jump in yeah John, whose side great price.

A

Great is the technical word there sorry.

E

A

Right but that exists across.

C

Great then, what why not cross great then, because.

A

That still implies the effort, so in it so migrating in cross, grading, I, guess I, don't know if it could. That's great is any big us, so the main terminology is that in Drupal there is a module called migrate module. That is intended to move data from any one place to any any other place, and it does not matter if those two places are like two versions of Drupal or like something completely unrelated or one thing: that's not suitable to another thing: that's not Drupal!

A

You can migrate data and that's just kind of a general term, I'm sure, but in the Drupal or there's. Also, this very specific idea of up great and terpil provides this. Like button user interface, you can push to like upgrade from zero five, two jerkles section. You can push the button to go through seven yeah. Therefore, sixty people seven, but that button is gone when you want to go from Drupal 7 to Drupal 8, because they're like no nineteen off the migrate.

A

So in the Drupal community there is a lot of like anxiety around the word migrate because they really wanted the Update button to do the upgrade, and so in backdrop I think saying like we have the upgrade like you can use the button. It's like kind of a selling point, because people are afraid of the migration. So they're like, oh god, if I have to migrate to jerkle 8, can I also migrate to backup and really know, don't worry you can upgrade.

A

But in for people who don't know the significance of those words like outside the could ripple community or like don't understand, anxiety around migration or whatever. Maybe it's not important but well.

C

I mean there there is that, but I I, just I just think I mean we. We put a fair amount of effort into being diplomatic with Drupal and I. Think for you know, but like we're not against true we're, not anti duple, but but I feel like the word upgrade suggests that we are like even.

D

Though it is straight.

C

From old triple no I, don't think people are it's like upgrade from. Like you know the the book is, you know migrating from triple-thick the backdrop so so I feel I feel like it's unintended, but but I think it might come across as an insult and and might be distance to the Drupal people to have our saying yeah.

A

Leave behind that.

C

Crappy old Drupal, here's the good stuff well.

A

It's the crappy old Drupal, 7 you're, leaving behind, like we don't ever see, upgrade to triple without the 7 on it from people. I feel.

C

Like it's, an I feel like it's the point that everyone's gonna miss.

A

Anyone who wants to upgrade from Drupal 7 is looking for that, like they aren't looking for upgrade with relate like they're, specifically like Oh no I'm stuck on seven at the end of life. I need kinda.

C

I I mean the people that are already Interpol. Seven, though, have have you know we're still try to prove ourselves to them. You know it might look like an upgrade to us, but but that's that's not a foregone conclusion to somebody conquering it but which, which is, which is why I I mean I wish migrate, wasn't actually so fraught because because that seems light like a less hostile thing, it's only trying to dance right, yeah I, don't.

A

Know I just feel like that value. The value we provide people by being an upgrade is gonna, be lost if we don't use. That word like like in explain like they're like I, need a button to push and like we give you a button. It's fine but like.

C

Oh yeah I know but I feel like it's almost going down versus verb thing like I'm I'm, fine with using upgrade as a verb, but not as a noun like it's. It's not an upgrade unless it actually is better a you know,.

A

Like there's no argument there and that's.

D

All part to be modern.

A

So I don't know, I mean I yeah. So this is I'm very conflicted here, because I hear what you're saying about saying upgrade from Drupal does make it sound like we're better than truthful, but then on the other like might like other half is like well, it is better than joyful. If this is what you need right like Drupal 8 is not a better solution for everyone. That's why backup exists, Drupal, a better solution for most. You know, Enterprise triple 7 properties and they they can migrate, but they can't grade they say see.

A

I get a message lie to anyone in Drupal anymore. Like that's not so. Why can't? We have the word. I, don't know, I.

A

C

Right if I was selling the like like without necessarily assuming you know that it is an upgrade, then you know making that case like move here and here's all the advantages I mean think about like like trading in a car, for example, you know I I'm planning, actually in a few months in trading, my BMW for a Subaru and you know and I'm gonna migrate, my transportation things from you know BMW to the Subaru. But if, if super was saying like upgrade your BMW like hey, what about this I mean.

A

Like well, I really want the one with automatic windows and I. Have these stupid, cranks and so I'm gonna upgrade and.

C

Now the current thing's pretty sweet actually.

A

It's about products right, like you, can upgrade some really old crappy. You.

C

Know you're frozen lose it Jen.

C

We have some Network I'll, give the issues there for second yeah.

A

Anyway, this is a hard problem. Alright, but I I understand the concern about the language making.

A

It seem like we're putting Drupal down, maybe some because I'm going to work on this blog post, that's like explaining when to upgrade versus when to migrate, maybe I'll add a whole section in there about what we mean when we say upgrade or what I mean when I say upgrade and specifically mentioned that word: I'm, not talking about backdrop being a better product period, just that it doesn't step forward for people who are stuck on software of the past right. Oh.

C

And and and I think, there's lots of space to make that argument very compellingly. You know, as as part of the whole conversation yeah.

A

I, do you understand that, just like a heading by itself, without the explanation, that's a little little stick here: hmm okay, hard problems, words are hard. Okay, we also had a couple of other ideas for blog post. We already got the minicamp one, not salty yeah here, I'm security, which I think we'll talk about a little bit next me too, um and then a bunch of other ideas like Conservancy, stuff, maintenance, new spotlight and major upgrades.

C

Are we looking for a frayed news for for blog post I feel like yeah like what we talked about steaming in there? That seems like if that's not an existing like cupboard thing like here's, how to get the front end for, for your backdrop, project and I thought I just a whole different one.

C

That's the similar sort of thing is hosting options which you know all of us old-timers have our opinions, but but that's that's totally. That would seem to be if that's not covered I feel like that should be covered. Someone yeah.

A

I, like all these ideas, I'm also added case studies, so Tim. What I would love is.

A

No I would love to see more case studies that is like a longer form, blog post. That then links to a showcase. That's like here's. The pictures of the thing, but the blog post could do an explanation of it. So I would love I would love a case. Studies type thing in.

D

A

But both and then, let's see our backdrop, community spotlight, emails, went out I, think yesterday or sometime recently, where our marketing team is going to be conducting on the interviews about like why people have decided to contribute to that driver be involved in the community or whatever it is that they're doing and hopefully will generate a whole bunch of content that we can put in the blogging schedule so that if we have a month where we're really busy doing I, don't know a new release or conference or something, and we don't have time to write a new blog posts.

A

We'll have one because I hate this month, we're gonna write a blog post about Jack for whatever post it and then we'll be able to have have a backlog of that stuff. Hopefully all those people will agree to the interviews and have all the you know, time to meet with them and and all that, but those can be onion soon I'm running out of time, I'm just gonna do a little perusal here. I, don't think. There's anything else in here. That's super urgent.

A

The anonymous rabbit is asking some questions under other ideas.

A

Anyone hear the anonymous rabbit.

D

Maybe somebody on YouTube.

C

Yes, we've got a lot of contributions in the animal world. We've got rabbits with that monkey lair.

B

Oh, what a pant.

C

We've got pandas.

A

In the agenda here is now that we've added back up towards rural profiles as the Sun drupal.org, you can list back up. It's an organization you're involved with you. Can then anytime. Your comments in an issue. Queue are posting a patch. You can credit the organization with your time spent doing that, and so this person asks. Is there any.

A

Value to tagging back drop on patches for submitting to Drupal 7 modules. um It looks like this Larrin, so thanks learned for asking these questions, I don't know if there's any like explicit value, but I tend to do that, especially if I'm working on a backup module. It has an issue. I find an issue, a fixed vector file. You know, submit the patch into the triple Q. I'll. Add it there just because I feel like there might be.

A

Somebody who later on is looking at this issue queue and doesn't know what backdrop is, and so, if it's like supporting organization backdrop, CMS they'll be like CMS, why am I supporting Drupal and they might click through to it? So that's the only reason, I um anywhere and usually I, don't think I've done that on very many contributed only do that for court issues.

A

If it's something like we fixed this in backdrop, court and we want Drupal to benefit from improvements going into backdrop, there's often a core issue for me: they're, usually like usability stuff meat, does like performance tuning and others suffer. It is the same thing, but yeah I would say, use your judgment anywhere you're comfortable typing backdrop with being involved in any work. Here's an interval go for it.

D

Before we hang out for anybody who's listening to this later sign up for twins, the mini camp director alena camp either heard our blog post on background org or backdrop CMS org, or at the Twin Cities group of camp site.

A

All right well with that, let's go ahead and stop this meeting and we have our developer meeting. Can we not bring down so if you're interested you know, you're welcome unknown thanks so much everyone.