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A
Hello,
everybody
today
is
thursday
february
3rd,
and
this
is
our
fortnightly
community
outreach
meeting
and
before
we
get
into
today's
items,
we'd
like
to
go
around
and
have
everybody
introduce
themselves
if
you
could
share
where
you're
from
and
if
there's
anything
exciting
you
want
to
share
with
the
group.
You
can
go
ahead
and
do
that
I'll,
go
ahead
and
fir
go
first
and
then
I'll
call
on
the
next
person
and
if
each
person
could
pick
someone
at
random
and
call
on
them
to
go
next.
A
B
Thanks
john
I'm
steve,
I'm
from
yorkshire
been
developing
websites
since
1999.
I
think
or
something
like
that
so
yeah
looking
forward
to
the
meeting
tonight.
So
let's
have
martin.
C
Hello,
I'm
martin
and
I've
been
involved
in
backdrop
since
2021
developing
sites
and
and
also
doing
book
fixes
where
I
can
and
also
doing,
linkedin
promotions.
So
that's
my
involvement
here.
C
And
we'll
go
to
matthias,
please.
D
Hello,
matthias
joining
you
from
switzerland,
I'm
a
copywriter
and
site
builder
for
small
and
medium
businesses
here
in
switzerland,
and
I'm
trying
to
help
to
get
the
word
spread.
E
My
name
is
jim
erickson,
I'm
here
in
saint
paul,
I'm
saint
paul
team,
I'm
not
in
saint
paul
anymore,
I'm
in
deerwood
and
yeah.
It's
been
an
exciting
week.
Two
weeks
almost
now
we've
been
talking
about
outreach
in
the
forum
and
anxious
to
hear
everybody's
ideas.
Sarvashri.
F
Okay,
I'm
I'm
in
walnut
north
carolina,
I'm
interested
in
new
users
and
I'm
working
on
a
guide,
the
ultimate
beginner's
guide
to
backdrop
and
that's
taking
some
time,
but
it's
fun.
So,
let's
see
who
not
yet
yes,
joseph
is
the
last.
G
I
am
joseph
I'm
from
las
vegas
nevada
back
in
developer
yeah
just
here
to
see
how
I
can
help.
E
Did
we
get
everybody
good,
okay?
Well,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
get
the
discussion
going.
We
I
put
out
a
blog
post
and
opened
a
a
discussion
topic
of
the
threat
about
improving
backdrops
outreach.
E
I
tried
to
shift
the
focus
on
away
from
just
brainstorming
ideas
into
like
how
do
we
implement
them
and
how
do
we
move
forward
on
them
and
I
think
we
we
met
with
some
mixed
results
there.
We
got
certainly
some
new
new
ideas
in
brainstorming.
E
We
got
some
feedback
on
what
we're
doing,
but
I
think
there's
also
a
lot
of
really
concrete,
actionable
ideas
about
moving
forward
and-
and
I
definitely
did
see
some
interest
from
people
in
the
forum
about
helping
us
out
and
helping
to
actually
get
the
work
done
and
implement.
E
So
I'm
hopeful
that
in
today's
meeting
we
can
kind
of
focus
on
that
which
is
the
implementation
part
of
the
things
we're
doing
and
how
to
do
them
better
and
how
to
get
more
people
involved,
as
opposed
to
just
brainstorming,
more
things
to
do
which
we
have
a
long
enough
list
already.
E
So
we
did
I
at
the
top
of
the
agenda.
I
made
a
quick
list
of
some
things
that
are
going
on,
including
a
link
to
the
forum
thread
in
the
google
docs
summary.
E
I
think
it
might
be
worth
us
doing
a
quick
check
in
on
our
cv,
crm
update,
which
I
think
we
made
a
bunch
of
progress
right
before
the
first
of
the
year
and
then
that's
kind
of
stalled
and
again
this
is
one
of
those
things
where
we've
already
invested
a
lot
of
work,
and
we
should
just
probably
by
pulling
that
through,
we
can
get
somewhere.
E
The
next
item
I
listed
was
this
open
force.
Tech
event.
This
is
a
I
don't.
I'm
not
gonna
try
to
pronounce
his
name,
but
in
one
of
the
I'm
entering
events
we
did.
He
was
this.
Guy
was
a
mentor
with
us
and
he
asked
if
we
would
be
willing
to
participate
in.
It
looks
like
kind
of
a
hackathon,
but
it's
it's
targeted
at
getting
young
or
getting
new
contributors
into
open
source.
E
The
organization
sponsoring
it
seems
to
be
based
out
of
india,
and
he
wanted
to
talk
to
us
about
participating
in
that,
and
he
said
he
would
make
it
today.
But
I
don't
know
if
he
realized
what
time
it
was
going
to
be
when
he
volunteered.
So
it
might
be
that
if,
if,
in
fact,
he
is
in
india,
which
I'm
not
sure
of,
but
if
he
is,
then
this
would
be
a
the
middle
of
the
night
for
him.
E
E
Backdrop
live,
and
I
am
too
and
and
that's
a
big
thing
we
should
talk
about
this
whole
discussion
and
outreach
has
reminded
me
of
our
newsletter,
which
we
had
going
pretty
regularly
for
a
while
and
now
we've
missed
a
couple
issues
and
we
should
get
that
back
on
track
and
then
I
thought,
given
the
context
sarvashri
and
I
even
started
working
on
something
for
a
few
months
that
we're
getting
close
to
taking
a
next
big
step
and
if
there's
time,
I'd
like
to
just
quickly.
E
Anybody
else
have
any
specific
topics
that
they
wanted
to
talk
about
today.
E
E
Okay,
would
it
be?
Would
it
be
helpful
to
have
a
quick
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
hear
what
people
that
ever
is?
E
I
I
think
just
about
everybody
here
has
at
least
commented
on
the
the
forum
thread
and
I'd
be
curious
to
just
get
any
quick
feedback
from
people
on
what
sort
of
stood
out
for
them
from
that
discussion
and
in
particular
what
actionable
items
if
they
have
any
things
that
they
saw
come
out
of
that
thread,
things
that
ideas
that
or
or
you
know
again
more
than
ideas,
but
maybe
even
about
the
people
that
wanted
to
work.
E
C
Yeah,
I
think
what
one
one
one
thing
that
I
think
once
we'd
moved
past
the
the
kind
of
red
herring
of
a
of
a
name
change.
There
was
a
few
of
us
that
pointed
out
that
there
is
a
tagline
to
put
your
content
center
stage,
which
we're
perhaps
we're
not
making
as
much
use
of
as
we
could.
But
then
there
was
also
quite
a
few
other,
quite
quite
interesting
suggestions
for
a
tagline.
C
So
I
think
that
I
I
think
it
would
be
a
relatively
lightweight
win
to
sort
of
collate
those
ideas
for
taglines
and
and
and
see
you
know.
Are
we
happy
with
what
what
that
current
tagline
is?
Should
we
use
it
more
often
or
or
do
we
look
at
one
of
these
other
things
and
and
use
that
in
our
marketing,
because
the
the
one
on
the
the
on
on
the
website?
C
It's
quite
descriptive,
saying
it's
an
open
source
content
management
system
for
small
businesses,
so
it
says
what
it
does,
whereas
I
think
the
some
of
the
tagline
ideas
are
quite
snappy
and
to
the
point
and
and
give
a
bit
of
content
context
to
the
backdrop
name
so
that
that's
something
I
think
we
could
explore.
E
Great
yeah
I'll
just
say
there
was
I
I
thought.
A
lot
of
that
discussion
was
interesting
and
the
energy
around
just
like
how
the
market
does
which
to
me
didn't.
It
didn't
feel
like
just
sort
of
springing
new
ideas,
but
it
felt
like
people
engaging
like
how
to
move
this
forward
and
how
to
improve
the
site,
and
I
think
the
big
question
would
be
like
what
are
the
next
steps?
E
It's
easy
to
say.
You
know
that
we
should
work
on
a
tagline
or
make
better
use
of
it.
But
what
is
what
does
that
actually
mean?
It
might.
A
That's
the
thing
that
I
think
struck
me
too,
is
that
there
were
a
lot
of
people
talking
about
all
the
stuff
we
already
have,
and
nobody
talking
about
actually
advertising
or
marketing
or
the
stuff
we're
not
doing
and
everybody's
like.
Oh
here's
all
the
stuff
you
are
doing,
but
wait
like
that's
like
what
we
don't
know
is
what
we're
not
doing,
and
I
would
really
like
to
focus
more
on
the
things
that
were
missing
and
I
didn't
I
didn't
hear
any
new
ideas
about.
That
was
a
little
sad.
D
Should
I
say
something:
yes,
I
can
start
working
on
exploring
the
audience,
because
I
have
some
experience
on
that
with
other
projects
and
if
you
want
me
to
do
some
work
here,
I
can
start.
E
That
was
something
arena
put
on
her
list
of
three
things
that
she
would
be
interested
in.
Taking
action
on
a
couple
of
people
mention
that
I
would
ask
then
real
quickly
or
anybody.
Does
anybody
have
any
backgrounds?
I
know
that
there
I
found
what
at
least
one
issue
drupal.org
has
has
done
something
where
they
really.
They
focus
on,
like
marketers
site
owners
or
whatever
on
the
site,
and
we
have
a
ticket
in
our
issues
that
talks
about
doing
something
along
those
lines.
E
A
I
think
we
have,
we
did
work
with
asset,
interactive
or
one
of
our
previous
marketing
groups
that
was
helping
us
set
did
set.
We
did
have
like
on
one
meeting
one
day
where
we
sat
down
and
hashed
through
all
of
it,
and
I
think
there's
notes
from
that
somewhere
I'll,
try
and
see.
If
I
can
find
those
and
post
a
link
somewhere.
E
Maybe
this
is
obvious,
maybe
it's
not,
I
think
it's
not.
I
would
I
mean
I.
I
have
little
doubt
that
this
would
be
helpful
for
us,
but
I
would
have
a
hard
time
explicitly
explaining
to
somebody
right
now.
Why
we're
doing
that-
and
maybe
you
could
do
a
better
job
of
that.
How
is
identifying
our
audience
going
to
help
us
right
now.
D
You
asking
me
yeah
because
that
that's
the
the
the
point
I
always
start
with
in
any
project
who
are
that
who
are
the
people
we
have
to
to
address,
and
we
usually
build
personal
one,
two
or
three
and
then
one
will
be
a
a
marketer.
One
will
be
a
nonprofit
person.
One
will
be
a
developer,
for
example,
just
not
not
that
big,
but
identifying,
maybe
three
persona,
and
they
have
to
be
reflected
on
the
website
with
those
with
those
those
teasers.
D
E
E
E
So,
for
example,
if
we
were
doing
redesign
work
on
the
website
or
things
like
that,
they're
definitely
identifying
who
the
personas
are,
that
we're
trying
to
appeal
to
can
help
us
build
a
message
right.
There
was,
I
think,
a
fair
amount
of
discussion
enough
in
the
thread
about
you
know
what
we
should
be.
You
know
what
kind
of
focus
we
should
be
putting
out
what
message
we
should
be
sending
about
backdrop,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
that's
where
the
persona
comes
in
is
help
before
you
can
sort
of
craft.
E
Your
message,
you
may
need
to
know
who
you're
talking
to
right,
but
again
where,
where
are
we
using
that?
And
I
think
I
I
don't
know
if
a
redesign
of
the
website
is
too
big
of
a
term
but
certainly
a
bit
of
a
maybe
a
content.
Refresh
like
some
of
the
suggestions
I
got,
and
I
feel
like
this-
is
something
there
might
be.
Some
energy
around
we'd
be
sort
of
going
through
the
website
and
looking
at
it
right
now
like
what
is
our
current
content?
E
E
F
Right
now
we
have
the
idea
of
small
business
users
and
nonprofit
organizations
that
are
the
target
for
backdrop,
and
if
we
were
to
list
pros
and
cons
for
those
groups
why
they
would
want
to
choose
backdrop
over
any
other
option,
then
we
have
a
way
to
create
a
marketing
message.
E
That
last
idea
of
a
sprint
is
in
the
direction
the
direction
I'm
going,
which
is
again
it's
so
easy
to
say.
Well,
we
should
do
this
or
we
should
do
that
on
the
website,
but
we
need
a
process
to
make
those
kinds
of
changes
right
now,
it's
sort
of
very
hot.
E
I
think
people
can
bring
ideas
here,
sometimes
sporadically
you
know
we
just
sort
of
make
little
changes,
but
either
having
a
group
or
a
day
where
we
kind
of
focus
on
the
website
and
looking
at
it
in
context
to
me
feels
helpful
any
other
thoughts
on
that.
E
Well,
a
sprint
is
usually
like.
Well,
okay,
there
are
different
definitions
of
a
sprint,
but
I
usually
think
about
it
as
designating
a
day,
so
we
we
have
a
sprint
day
where,
for
one
day
we
work
on
it
and
when
I
mentioned
the
group,
I'm
kind
of
getting
out
like
a
committee,
so
it
could
be
something
that's
a
little
more
go
on
a
little
more
ongoing
than
his
friends.
It
could
be.
You
know,
like
a
working
committee
that
spends
some
meets
multiple
times
or
something.
E
E
And
again,
I
didn't
you
know
so,
like
just
a
sprint
day
might
be
more
realistic,
but
irina,
and
I
had
a
little
discussion
yesterday
in
chat
where
she
reminded
us
that
sometimes
a
lot
of
people
are
looking
to
be
asked.
You
know
for
help
on
a
specific
thing
and
we
do
a
lot
of
of
just
sort
of
trying
to
encourage
people
to
work
on
what
they
like,
which
is
great,
but
sometimes
people
are
hesitant
to
do
that.
E
I
know
that
from
my
own
experience,
and
sometimes
people
just
want
to
be
asked
or
told
here's
what
we
think
is
important.
You
know
who
can
help
us
on
that
and
I'm
wondering
if
that
would
be
helpful.
You
know
if
we,
if
we
came
up
with
some
ideas
and
then
specifically
really
tried
to
reach
out
and
find
people
to
work
on
them
and
then
so
what
would
those
ideas
be?.
F
E
B
So
any
other
take
go
ahead.
Yeah
would
it
be
feasible
to
on
the
next
newsletter,
put
a
link
on
there
to
say
you
know
what
type
of
you
know
we
need
your
help.
Fill
in
this
form.
There's
this
sort
of
poll
of
some
description
that
says
you
know
what
type
of
business
are
you
what
type
you
know
if
you're
an
agency?
B
What
type
of
customers
do
you
deal
with
at
least
we
can
try
and
get
some
information
to
then
start
moving
forward
with
at
least
some
known
information,
rather
than
blindly
sort
of
all
speculating,
because
I
think
that's
what
a
lot
of
people's
been
doing
on
the
forum
certainly
speculating
and
from
my
perspective
and
again
just
to
sort
of
reiterate
a
few
little
things
on
there
I'll
say
all
of
my
customers:
don't
care
what
cms
we
use
so
saying
that
is
its
focus
to
all
small
businesses.
B
Yes,
that's
a
possibility,
but
is
it
sort
of
more
agencies
like
myself
that
look
after
170
plus
websites,
where
my
aren't
bothered
about
what
cms
that
we
use?
It
could
be
anything
joomla
drupal,
it
doesn't
matter
so
getting
some
form
of
feedback
rather
than
speculation.
E
Yeah
the
point
I'm
making,
though,
is
it
does
we
can
get
all
the
information
we
want?
If
we
don't
have
a
plan
to
use
it
right
and-
and
I
think
that's
where
what
I'm
trying
to
drive
us
towards
is
so
what
if
we
had
a
bunch
of
information
like
that,
how
or
what
are
we
going
to
do
with
it?.
E
Because
all
of
that
information
would
be
useful,
for
example,
if
we,
you
know
we're
we're
re-thinking
our
website
redesigning
it
refreshing
it
whatever.
You
know,
for
example,.
B
I
thought
to
bring
in
more
people
using
backdrop
as
into
bringing
more
people
into
the
into
the
fold
so
to
speak.
Sure
exactly
so.
E
How
are
like,
for
example,
a
website
is
one
of
our
primary
tools.
We
have
right
now
to
reach
out
and
inform
people
and
communicate
with
people,
and
how
is
all
of
that
information
going
to
help
us
with
our
website
if
we're
not
actually
using
it
or
or,
however
else,
gathering
information
about
what
people
want
from
backdrop
is
isn't
helpful
unless,
unless
we're
doing
something
with
that
information.
B
Suggesting
getting
information
back
on
how
to
use
backdrop
or
things
like
that,
but
more
on
the
sort
of
what
type
of
user
are
you
of
backdrop
as
a
cms
not
backdrop,
the
website.
C
It
could
focus
on
saying:
maybe
we
have
a
couple
of
old
landing
pages
and
possibly
linked
from
the
home
page,
but
possibly
we
could
direct
people
to
them
that
that
focuses
on
focuses
on
the
benefits
of
backdrop,
for
that
particular
audience.
So,
if
you
are
an
agency,
the
benefits
are
this:
if,
if
you
are
a
business,
what
what's?
C
What
can
this
do
for
you?
How
can,
if
you're
a
non-profit,
how
how's
it?
What
what
are
the
kind
of
features
that
are
going
to
be
of
interest
to
you,
that
that
would
be
the
only
thing
I
I
I
could,
I
could
see
it
would
it
would
help
to
focus
what
we
do.
E
About
martin
again,
you
seem
to
be
describing
a
message
or
or
things
we
should
be
communicating.
My
question
is:
how
are
we
going
to
do
that?
The
point
is
that,
even
if
we
develop
these
messages,
we
need
a
plan
to
implement
yeah
well
on
the
website.
I'm
kind
of
trying
to
push
us
towards
you
know
like.
If,
if
we
want
to
reshape
the
message
on
the
website,
then
we
have
to.
A
A
A
It
might
involve
specific
landing
pages
on
our
website
that
we
drive
them
to.
It
might
involve
all
of
this
stuff,
but
I
feel
like
what
we're
missing
is
like
a
big
picture
of
like
how
we're
gonna
get
there
you're
right,
we're
missing
all
the
pieces
too
right
we're
missing
the
personas,
we're
missing
the
landing
page,
doing
their
branding
but
yeah.
I
think
we're
sort
of
stuck
in
this
issue
where
it's
like.
We
need
all
these
things
and
we
don't
know
how
to
get
there
from
where
we
are
now.
E
Right
can
I
cut
you
off
for
a
minute,
because
again,
where
I
sense
you're
going,
is
to
talk
about
ideas
and
how
the
website
could
be
better
and
what
we're
talking
about.
What
we
want
to
talk
about
is
how
to
get
that
work
done
like
a
group
of
us
can
go
out
and
look
and
get
other
ideas
and
implement
them,
but
we
have
to
have
a
structure
for
that
to
happen
right
now.
What
we
do
is
we
have
meetings
every
two
weeks
where
we
talk
about
all
the
things.
E
The
ways
the
website
could
look
better,
for
example,
but
nobody
does
that,
and
so
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
help
us
to
know
more
about
how
other
groups
are
doing
it
if
we
don't
have
a
way
to
implement
it
or
as
jen
or
as
jen
was
pointing
out
a
larger
marketing
plan.
To
put
this
into
right,
like
you
know
how
you
know,
what
isn't
helpful
is
like,
we
should
be
sending
more
newsletters,
but
we
should
be.
The
question
is:
how
should
we
be
managing
this
as
an
organization
and
and
what
is
our
strategy?
E
I
don't
think
we're
very
good
at
sort
of
having
a
strategic
outlook
of
like
if
somebody
brought
up
having
some
goals
that
might
be
one
part
of
it.
Is
we
had
specific
goals
that
we
were
working
towards?
We
don't
even
have
that.
D
But
for
me,
creating
personas
is
a
tool
which
helps
on
a
very
short
term
basis.
It's
not
the
big
redesign
thing.
It's.
It's
really
helpful
in
the
daily
work
for
every
piece
of
work.
You
write
on
on
any
website
well
right
tomorrow,
we're
going
to
have
a
meeting
with
the
german
group
and
I'm
also
not
satisfied
how
the
the
german
website
performs,
because
we
we
didn't
care
who
we're
writing
for
our
plan.
My
plan
was
to
to
write
an
article
about
entity
reference
selection
view.
D
E
F
Right
system
who's
going
to
volunteer
what
they're
going
to
do
when
they're
going
to
do
it
and
track
that,
maybe
with
a
a
tool
like
asuna,
I
don't
know
if
you've
seen
asana
as
a
term
for
getting
getting
people
to
commit
and
be
responsible
for
something
and
when
they
sign
up
for
it,
then
you
track
them,
and
asana
is
one
tool
for
doing
that.
There's
many
others
right.
E
Identifying
people
and
following
up
with
them,
is
something
that
we
haven't
done
well,
what
are
the
best
tools?
What
are
the
best
tools
for
doing
that?
Well,
I
don't
want
to
talk
about
goals,
we're
all
really
good
at
tools
we
can
solve
the
tool
problem
easy.
I
think
the
problem
is
the
follow-through
and
the
structure
right
who's
going
to
do
it
like.
If,
if
we
have
somebody,
that's
responsible
for
doing
that
follow-up,
they
can.
E
I
think
they
can
figure
out
the
cool
thing
and
if
they
need
help,
we
can
talk
about
it
but
identifying
a
tool
before
we
have
a
person.
Doesn't
you
know
somebody
willing
to
do
it?
Isn't
that
helpful
or
a
plan?
E
F
F
I
How's,
the
speaking
of
a
database
of
holding
that
information,
which
I
I
find
a
useful
bit
of
like
a
useful
tool,
how's
the
cvcrm
thing
going,
because
it's
my
understanding
that
that's
what
cbcrm
does
right
sure.
Let's
move
on
to
that.
E
B
A
good
thing,
one
of
the
things,
one
of
the
ways
that
I
was
going
to
go
with,
that
was,
if
we
collectively
even
I'll,
do
the
next
newsletter.
If
I
have
to,
if
we
know
the
number
of
people
that's
on
there,
there's
2
000
people
on
there
10
open
it
then
or
20
open
it.
Then
we
can
put
a
little
message
on
there.
We
need
your
help.
You
know
click
here.
If
you
can
spare
an
hour
a
week
two
hours
a
week
without
reaching
out
to
people
you're
not
going
to
get
anybody,
it's
quite
simple.
B
You
need
to
reach
out
and
just
by
you
can't
expect
someone
to
look
at
the
website.
If
they
don't
know
about
the
website
so
or
they
don't
go
regularly
enough
to
look
at
the
website,
but
they
may
see
the
newsletter
pop
on
their
inbox.
I'll
have
a
quick
read
now
or
no.
I
might
not
open
it
again
without
knowing
how
many
what
what
the
reach
is
and
how
many
people
will
open
it.
E
The
point
the
point
I'm
making,
though,
is
so
what,
if
we
put
a
note
about
this,
is
what
we
need
volunteers
for
reach
out
to
us.
If
who
who
are
they
reaching
out
to
we?
Don't
we
don't?
If
somebody
wants
to
volunteer
to
help
this
stuff,
we
don't
even
have
a
process
to
onboard
them.
We
don't
have
a
process
to
make
use
of
them,
so
it
isn't
that
we
lack
the
ability
to
ask
people
to
help
us.
If
we
don't
have
a
system
in
place.
E
E
E
Sometimes
more
formal
committee
structures
right,
you
have
a
website
committee
that
meets
on
a
regular
basis.
They
talk
about
the
website.
They
they
they
have
jobs
right.
They
don't
just
get
together
every
week
and
brainstorm
ideas
they
get
together
each
week
and
they
work
on
the
website.
So
that
would
be
you
know
an
idea.
F
Would
yeah
if
they,
if
we
don't
need
a
tool,
we
just
need
those
volunteers.
We
need
them
to
volunteer
for
something
specific.
So
each
idea
has
inherent
in
the
idea
the
kind
of
talents
that
are
needed,
whether
it's
creating
a
marketing,
video,
creating
graphics,
creating
something
I'm
just
looking
at
the
front
pages
of
these
different
groups
and
some
of
them
do
a
better
job
with
inviting
people
in
you
know
it's
making
it
exciting
for
people
to
visit
the
group
so.
E
F
I
Right
now,
I
know
I
understand
where
teams
going
so
from
what
was
said
here.
I
I
gather
that,
yes,
we
send
out
the
the
email
or
we
reach
out
and
we
say
we
need
help
and-
and
I
know
that
we
have
an
informal
or
get
things
done
process.
It's
not
documented.
It's
just
some
people
of
the
community
because
we're
helpful
we
jump
in
and
if
someone
mentions
that
hey,
I
want
to
help,
we
provide
them
with
guidance
and
so
on.
I
I
F
I
Yeah
all
right
can
we
can
we
just
just
a
low
hanging
fruit
minimal
like
viable
product
thing?
Is
we
can
we
decide
here
now
because
I
see
already
like,
for
example,
the
previous
topic
that
we
had
matias
volunteer
said:
I'm
ready
to
help
I'm
ready
to
help
as
well,
and
I'm
sure
that
you're
ready
to
help
all
right.
So
these
these
small
things,
we
don't
have
to
have
a
full
fledged
process
in
place.
We
just
have
to
have
a
starting
point,
as
servicer
said
all
right.
I
So
starting
points
are
we
we
figure
out
like
if
you
can
do
bullet
points
and
then
assign
people
and
I'll
I'll
volunteer
right
now.
So
the
first
point
that
was
pointed
out,
we
need
a
way,
an
email
that
says
we
need
help.
We
need
that
to
have
a
link
to
go
to
a
page
where
people
can
say
that
they're
willing
to
help
so
who's
going
to
do
that.
E
I
think
it's
not
great
no,
but
we
started
the
pro.
I
think
the
problem
is,
we've
started
it
a
dozen
times
and
we
never
get
past
that
asking
people.
You
know
how
to
help
like.
We
just
did
that
last
week,
right
when
we
opened
up
this
thread
a
whole
bunch
of
people
stepped
forward,
and
they
said
I'm
interested
in
in
backdrop,
outreach
and
they
gave
us
their
ideas
and
some
of
them
said
I'm
willing
to
work
on
things.
But
what
is
the
next
step?
And
until
we
get
to
that
next
step,
all
right.
F
Okay,
so
there
has
to
be
priorities.
What
needs
to
be
done
and
who
can
do
it
to
do
that?
You
have
like
we
do
that
list
of
things
that
we're
looking
at
doing
right.
Maybe
a
video
on
the
on
the
front
page
of
the
website
or
a
list
of
pros
and
cons
for
backdrop
as
compared
to
other
cms's
or
whatever
it
is
you've
got
a
few
jobs
that
need
need
to
be
done.
If
somebody
just
volunteers
and
says,
oh,
I
want
to
help.
F
F
But
somebody's
going
to
have
to
be,
you
need
a
hr
director.
Basically,
you
need
somebody
who
can
say
we
need.
We
need
this
done.
Here's
the
things
that
can
be
done
and
people
are
raising
the
hand
they're
volunteering
right.
Are
they
volunteering
for
a
specific
thing
or
they're?
Just
saying?
Oh,
I
want
to
help.
I
Yeah
but
tim
that's
next
step.
We
need
to
start
from
a
step
right,
and
you
mentioned
the
previous
week
or
the
week
before,
where
people
volunteered
do
you
have
a
list
because
I
didn't
attend,
I
want
to
know.
Did
we
keep
a
list
of
those
people?
E
Like
this,
we
have
fun.
No,
what
I'm
saying
we
have
a
forum
topic.
I
could
go
back
through
that
forum
topic
and
I've
got
12
people
I
got,
I
mean
I
can
make
a
list
making
the
list
right
now
is
the
easy
part:
let's
do
it?
What
what
I'm
I'm?
Not
so
impersonally
interested
in
that
until
I
know
what
we're
going
to
do
with
the
list,
but
what
I
think
we're
doing
greg.
E
B
Says:
okay
I'll
stand
up
I'll,
go
through
this
2000
list,
I'll
put
them
in
alphabetical
order
and
then
we'll
work
through
them
one
at
a
time
and
or
reach
out
to
people
and
say
you
know,
this
is
a
list
tick,
what
tick
the
top
five
and
then
we'll
work.
That
way.
I
know
that's
been
done
before
on
other
issues,
but
unless
we
start
I
mean,
if
need
be,
I'll,
create
a
website
backdrop,
outreach
and
I'll.
B
Do
the
data
structure
on
there
to
to
gather
the
information
to
gather
people's
names
and
the
tasks
that
need
doing
and
I'll
collate
it
all
I'll,
certainly
don't
mind
doing
things
like
that,
but
we've
got
to
start
somewhere
and
there's
got
to
be
people,
that's
willing
to
go.
I'm
in
I'll
spend
a
couple
of
hours
a
week,
an
hour
a
day,
half
an
hour
a
day
doing
whatever
I
need
to
do
to
pull
it
together.
I'm
willing
to
do
that
as
well.
I
Go
ahead
so
so
a
couple
of
things
on
what
you
just
said
before
I
forget
it
steve
so
priority
shouldn't
priorities,
shouldn't
be
mandatory,
so
contributing
needs
to
be
fun.
I
know
that
ideally,
would
we
want
to
have
a
person
that
dedicates
a
specific
amount
of
time,
but
if
we
go
to
people
and
say
we
need
you
to
dedicate
one
hour
a
week,
I
don't
like
there's
people
that
are
going
to
do
that,
but
there's
some
people
that
are
going
to
say
once
off.
I
just
have
one
hour
this
whole
year.
I
Are
we
excluding
them?
I
personally
don't
want
to
exclude
them,
and
also
our
top
five
priorities
might
not
be
in
the
list
in
the
list
of
skills
that
the
20
people
have
might
be
in
the
three,
but
not
in
the
rest.
I
don't
know
17.
I
don't
want
to
exclude
those
either,
so
we
it's
good
for
for
for
these
people,
that
priorities,
work
and
and
they
want
to
sort
of
like
have
a
more
structured
way
of
working
yep.
I
Let's
do
that,
I'm
not
saying
not
do
it,
but
I
would
also
like
us
to
accommodate
those
people
that
are
saying.
Yes,
I
see
that
bankrupt
has
a
list
of
100
things.
Top
five
is
that
I
can't
help
with
any
of
those
top
five.
I
want
to
do
item
57.
I
don't
know
I
still
wanna
accommodate
for
that.
I
don't
wanna.
I
I
don't
wanna
ask
wanting
to
be
structured
to
block
people
from
contributing.
This
is
why
I'm
saying
let's
do
some
steps,
and
it
doesn't
have
to
my
my
idea
and
what
I
just
said
doesn't
have
to
block
you
team
or
anyone
else
in
this
group
from
doing
the
structured
thing
that
you
guys
want
to
do
so.
I
understand
that
you
want
to
have
a
a
ideally
a
a
next
step,
but
I
also
want
to
do
the
first
step.
E
There's
nothing
preventing
you
from
doing
that.
First
step
right
now
and
in
fact
all
of
us
have
been
doing
that
first
step.
Many
many
many
times.
Yes,
I
know
so
my
point
is
my
point
is:
is
that
this
idea
that
people
just
do
what
they
want
to
do
and
that
we
don't
have
a
priority
means
that
we
never
get
the
priorities
done
and,
for
example,
a
priority?
I
think
that
a
number
of
people
have
said
we
need
some.
You
know
we
need
to
go
out
and
ask
people
what
they
can
do.
E
We
need
a
list
of
paths
and
we
need
to
match
them
up.
So
I
think
a
priority
is
having
a
structure
in
place
where
we
can
do
that.
That
should
be
a
priority,
and
if
we
don't
make
it
a
priority,
and
if
we're
not
willing
to
say
that
this
is
important
enough,
that
we're
going
to
ask
people
to
do
it,
whether
or
not
it's
the
thing
they
want
to
do.
A
A
So
I
think
we
have
civi
crm
will
solve
some
of
these
problems.
For
us.
It'll
give
us
the
database
of
all
the
people.
It'll
give
us
the
ability
to
record
who's
capable
of
doing
what
and
it'll
give
us
the
form
that
we
can
send
people
to
in
a
newsletter.
That's
like
hey,
can
you
let
us
know
what
skills
you
have
or
whatever
that's
something
that
has
been
a
priority
for
us
for
a
while,
and
it
hasn't
been
getting
done.
A
A
If
maybe
somebody
can
pick
that
up
and
help
us
push
it
over
the
finish
line
and
justin
might
be
here
in
the
next
meeting,
but
I
just
I'm
trying
to
be
really
conscious
of
not
asking
too
much
of
him,
because
I
know
that
he's
in
a
lot
of
pain
right
now
trying
to
do
the
best
he
can.
So
I
think
that
in
in
you
know,
we've
had
in
the
civic
ceremonies.
We've
had
a
bunch
of
other
people
in
our
community
who
have
these
skills
who's
offered
to
help
who
we've
said.
A
A
The
agenda
for
today
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
mentioned
that
bit
about
needing
to
ask
for
help
on
that,
so
for
making
an
actual
item,
I'm
going
to
go
comment
on
that
backdrop,
cms.org
issue
and
mention
some
of
the
other
people
who
offered
to
help
and
see
if
we
can
get
them
women
in
that
okay,
that's
it
go
ahead.
E
Well,
yeah,
I
think
what
I'm
looking
for
is
how
do
we,
though?
How
do
we
fill
that
that
gap
of
having
some
some
continuity
to
do
the
planning
and-
and
I
I'm
not
at
all-
trying
to
prevent?
We
should
go
ahead
and
do
those
first
steps,
but
I'm
not
saying
don't
do
them,
but
I'm
saying
we
gotta,
we
gotta
have
the
other
discussion
and
it
might
be.
E
We
can't
finish
it
today,
but
we
have
to
commit
ourselves
to
the
fig
to
solving
this
problem,
which
is
how
do
we
follow
through,
like
the
the
the
the
city,
the
city
crm
group
that
has
met
so
far
actually
hasn't
has
addressed
this
issue
to
some
extent,
and
we've
talked
about
having
a
follow-through
with
sevilla
sarah
I'm
having
a
committee
of
folks
that
meet
regularly
and
are
focused
on
maintaining
that
particular
tool,
and
hopefully
we
can.
E
We
need
a
more
structured
way
of
of
sort
of
upsetting
some
priorities
as
an
organization
that
doesn't
mean
we
have
to
push
everybody
great.
As
you
would
say,
to
just
focus
on
the
priorities,
but
we
need
to
know
what
our
priorities
are
and
we
need
some
way
of
of
holding
ourselves
accountable
to
do
that.
E
And
okay,
like
I
have
ideas
about
what
we
should
be
doing,
and
I
tell
myself
you
know-
and
I
say
you
know,
we
should
every
week
be
asking
people
to
write
blog
posts
and
we
should
be
following
up
on
the
people
who
volunteer.
But
we
don't
do
that.
And-
and
I
don't
do
that
because
I'm
one
of
the
people
that
didn't
follow
through
and
it's
I'm
trying
to
ask
us
as
a
group
to
sort
of
figure
out
how
we
can
sort
of
better
hold
ourselves
accountable,
including
you
know
me.
I
I
I
I
think
that
holding
people
accountable
in
general,
even
if
it's
ourselves
should
be
optional.
I
I
don't
know
if
I
don't
know
if,
if
like
it's
self-explanatory,
what
I'm
saying
it
this
should
be
fun
like
it's.
It's
it's
not
a
job,
but
team
you're,
one
of
the
people
in
the
group
and
in
the
community
in
general
that
has
a
more
project
management,
sort
of
like
oriented
way
of
thinking,
which
I
totally
like.
I
I
I'm
appalled
by
it.
I
So
I
don't
I
I
work
more
frantically
or
erratically,
and
I
hope
I
don't
sort
of
like
get
in
the
way
of
others
of
people
that
want
to
do
it
in
a
more
structured
way.
I
E
G
E
I
We
don't
we
don't
use
an
agenda.
Would
the
project
management
committee,
the
existing
project
management
committee,
be
be
the
the
the
the
body
that
that
does
that,
or
are
you
talking
about
different,
a
separate
committee,
I'm
fine
with
either
and
if,
if
there's
something,
can
you
please
just
because
we're
reaching
at
the
end
of
the
time,
add
an
item
for
next
time
that
we
need?
If,
if
you
find
that
a
blocker
and
that's
the
first
step,
add
an
item
so
that
we
decide
and
act
on
that
next
time.
So
I
want
us.
E
I
C
C
Hit
on
is
that
the
the
need
to
sort
of
coordinate
it,
and
I
do
what
wonder
if,
if
there
is,
is
someone
who
who
does
have
some
expertise
in
marketing?
I
think
matthias
certainly
seems
to
have
some,
I
think,
you've
previously
mentioned
kind
of
luke,
and
what
whether
whether
there's
people
that
do
have
that
that
could
even
kind
of
set
set
up
a
broad
direction
that
that's
not
going
to
that.
C
Will
that
will
give
us
an
idea,
but
but,
as
greg
says,
not
not
preclude
us
from
doing
some
of
the
the
the
easier
things
that
people
say.
I
can
do
that,
but
but
but
will
help
us
to
know
what
what
we,
what
we
should
be
doing
and
then
it
will
hopefully
also
give
a
give
us
a
list
of
tasks
and
what
sort
of
skills
people
need
to
have
to
do
them.
There's
some
some
of
these
will
be
about
design.
Some
of
them
will
be
about
actual
implementation.
C
Of
the
of
the
site,
we've
got
quite
a
lot
of
issues
on
the
backdrop,
cms.org
issue
queue
and
the
the
there'll
probably
be
more.
If
we
say
right
right.
What
do
we
need
to
do
to
do
this?
But
if
I
think
if
we
can
have
some
direction
from
the
people
who
who
really
understand
marketing.
C
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
good
first
step.
If,
if
we
know
people
have
that,
can
we
can
we
ask
them
to
kind
of
get
together
and
give
us
a
bit
of
high
level
direction,
doesn't
have
to
be
much
just.
I
E
E
I
With
it,
and
because
I
joined
sorry
because
I
joined
at
that
point,
where
you
were
making
the
decision
about
that
and
matthias
was
offering
to
to
help
with
the
personas,
are
we
talking
about
the
specifying
personas
and
then
having
the
pillars
on
the
side
and
then
adding
content
on
those
pillars?
For
those
personas
the
same?
That
or
is
it
that's
different.
A
I
was
just
gonna
say
so.
I
dropped
a
link
in
the
zulu
chat
of
a
couple
of
personas
that
we
set
up
when
we
originally
were
working
on
the
backdrop
site
or
I
guess
it
was
when
the
new
theme
went
on
or
whatever
I
don't
know
a
while
ago,
but
they
are
very
specifically
like
people
who
we
imagined
visiting
the
backdrop
site
and
they
aren't
big
categories
like
education.
A
It's
like
a
very
it's
an
individual
person
what
they
want
out
of
the
site.
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
exactly
what
we
need,
but
that
was
what
we
had
worked
on
at
the
time.
I
do
think
that
there's
still
a
lot
of
value
to
have
those
like
landing
pages
for
specific
groups.
I
don't
know
if
this
list
of
percentages
will
help
us
get
there,
but
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
we
have
something
as
a
starting
point.
A
It
might
not
be
everything
we
need,
but
it
does
help
us
a
little
bit
so
go
ahead.
Matias.
If
you
want
to
explain
what
those
are
for.
D
Well,
for
me,
it's
a
perfect
starting
point.
I
didn't
read
it
through,
but
it
sounds
very
good
next
step.
It
would
be
that
we
define
some
some
some
goals
for
personal
a
do.
We
do
we
address
them
right
now.
Can
we
do
better
action
step?
One
two
three
there's
are
little
baby
steps,
because
the
first
steps
are
very
effective,
usually.
E
D
To
understand
I
bet
I
bet
we
see
that
personal
number
two
is
not
addressed
at
all
and
addressing
them
a
little
bit
is
a
great
step
forward
right.
It's
not
about
redesigning
this.
That
can
be
sometime
in
the
future.
It's
about
addressing
people
based
on
the
persona,
we're
we're
on
a
good
way,
and
I
personally
do
not
need
a
a
a
structure
for
that,
because
this
is
what
I
I
do
on
a
daily
basis
with
the
customers.
I
Yes,
yeah
and
approve
it
just
before
we
close
just
two
remarks
and
we
don't
have
to
discuss
them
just
just
pointing
out
this
list
of
personas
was
created
a
long
time
ago.
It
only
includes
two
personas.
I
can
see
a
lot
of
assumptions.
We
need
it's
a
good
starting
point.
Let's
start
with
that,
but
yeah.
E
I
E
I
just
want
to
well,
I
don't
know
thank
or
apologize
everyone
for
indulging
me.
I
know
I've
been
pretty
heavy-handed
and
directed
to
this
congress
conversation
today.
It's
just
you
know
what
I
feel
here
coming
out
of
that
whole
discussion
in
the
forum
is
that
people
are
looking
for
direction.
E
Some
people
aren't
not
everybody,
but
there
are
people
looking
for
direction,
they're
looking
for
us
to
set
priorities,
and
we
have
not
been
doing
a
good
job
with
that,
and
I'm
trying
to
sort
of
put
a
little
fire
under
us
to
figure
out
that
problem.
So
I
I
unfortunately
won't
be
able
to
stick
around
for
the
next
meeting
so
but
thank
everybody
for
their
discussion
and
please
follow
up
with
me
and
I'm
really
sad
that
I
have
to
leave
now
that
I
see
drew's
face
here,
because
this
is
really
exciting.
J
J
Before
you
leave
one
quick
answer
to
your
question
and
forum,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
is
missing
was
like
now:
matthias
is
in
charge
of
persona.
So
anyone
who
wants
to
work
with
personas
mathis
is
in
charge.
We
all
the
others
can
move
on.
So
that
was
you
asking
what's
the
piece
that
it's
missing
and
I'm
like?
Okay,
that's
the
answer.