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A
Hello,
everybody
it's
thursday
december
23rd,
and
this
is
the
backdrop
weekly
outreach
meeting
before
we
get
into
the
meeting.
B
I'm
robert
lang
web
folder
on
the
internet,
coming
to
you
from
rainey,
altadena,
california
and
I've
been
working
on
lots
of
loose
ends
lately
and
I'll
pass
it
to
tim.
C
D
Justin
christopherson,
just
in
denver
colorado
and
I
usually
help
out
with
infrastructure
tests
when
things
pop
up.
E
I
like
that,
I
I'm
leek
mccormick,
I'm
in
ceremony,
california,
where
I'm
a
technical
account
manager
for
drupal
things
been
out
of
been
out
of
the
pocket
for
a
while,
but
I
figured
I'd.
I
had
a
little
bandwidth
today.
I'd
stop
by
and
see
what's
going
on
in
backdrop
world.
C
That's
it
right.
We've
all
went
okay,
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
start
we
it's
a
crazy
time
right
now.
It's
the
holiday
season
here
for
those
of
us
for
many
of
us
and
we're
in
the
midst
of
a
a
future
freeze
rush.
So
there's
a
lot
of
activity
in
the
court
issue.
Queue
personally.
I've
been
focused
on
those
things,
so
I
haven't
really
thought
at
all
about
the
agenda.
C
I,
I
suppose
I'll
just
outline
to
start
out
with
what
I
think
has
happened
in
the
world
of
outreach
in
the
last
couple
of
last
week.
For
two
weeks
we
have,
we
did
at
the
last
outreach
meeting.
I
don't
know
if
you
were
here
luke,
but
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
well.
Yorkshire
pudding,
I'm
forgetting
his
name
recommended
that
we
get
a
a
backdrop
page
set
up
on
linkedin,
so
linkedin
is
probably
the
one
social
media
channel
where
we
didn't
even
have
a
backdrop
page.
C
So
we
do
have
one
in
facebook
and
we
have
one
in
twitter
and
anyways.
As
of
now
we
have
one
in
in
linkedin
as
well.
I
think
I
posted
there
like
twice
since
the
last
meeting.
C
C
Actually,
your
idea
greg
would
be
something
that
we
could
talk
about
the
the
sort
of
partner
thing,
because
that
was
an
interesting
development
development
and
I'd
love
to
get
luke
it'd
be
great
to
do
it
when,
at
a
time
when
luke's
around,
I
kind
of
think,
if
there's
anything
else,
so
that
it's
happened
in
the
last
week
after
two
weeks,
but
we're
behind
on
our
newsletter.
I
keep
promising
to
do
that,
and
I
don't
know
I'm
just
I've
been
too
sucked
into
the
core
issue:
queue,
I'm
not
doing
the
the
outreach
stuff
as
much.
E
A
C
A
So
tim
tim
posted
a
a.
This
is
something
that
I
also
do
as
well
from
time
to
time.
A
I
I
do
a
google
search
on
backdrop,
cms
like
every
I
don't
know
three
or
four
months
and
then
try
to
find
any
mentions
of
backdrop,
and
then
I
added
in
the
mentioned
section
for
our
website
and
team
have
found
this
week
or
last
week
found
a
few
a
few
mentions,
and
one
of
them
was
a
blog
post
by
a
company
which
is
actually
providing
long-term
support
for
these
seven
sites,
and
the
blog
post
was
saying
that
hey,
among
other
things,
that
hey.
A
If,
if
you
don't
want
to
go,
you
don't
have
the
budget
and
you
don't
want
to
go
to
the
nine.
Have
you
heard
of
backdrop?
We
can
help
you
move
into
that.
So
I've
brought
this
matter
previously,
like
in
other
meetings,
that
there
were
a
few
partners
in
the
official
long-term
support
program.
A
C
A
Go
ahead,
so
if
you,
if
you
scroll
slightly
down
team,
it's
the
paragraph
where
it
talks
about
drupal
backdrop,
sorry,
so
it's
that
one
right
says:
do
you
love
drupal,
7
and
blah
blah
so
yeah.
A
So
my
my
point
is
that
either
specifically
with
these
guys
like
or
have
this
as
as
a
as
an
experiment
and
try
to
reach
out
to
as
many
agencies
that
are
actually
doing
the
same
thing
as
in
specifically
with
these
guys,
I
looked
up
their
their
business
in
drupal.org
and
this
it's
like
34
people
that
have
drupal.org
accounts.
A
There
might
be
more
of
them.
Judging
from
my
the
agency
that
I
work
for,
like
50
people
strong-
and
I
don't
know,
60
of
us
have
drupal.org
accounts
and
unfortunately
I
can't
tell
which
person
has
written
this
blog
post.
So
I
thought
that
maybe
we
could
reach
out
to
them
and
say:
do
you
have
any
questions?
Do
you
need
help
with
anything
and
ask
them?
A
If,
because
I
didn't
see
any
names
that
were
familiar
from
the
usual
suspects,
that
I
call
the
people
that
are
actually
very
active
in
our
community
and
you
know,
get
them
get
them
to
contribute,
that's
that's
what
I
thought
and-
and
I
think
that
we
should
be
doing
that
with
with
other
agencies,
that
we
know
that
are
involved
actively
with
metroburn
way
or
the
other.
So
yeah
well,.
C
Greg
I
mean
elaborate
greg
you,
you
opened
a
topic
in
the
leadership
channel
called
strategic
partnerships,
which
I
think
was.
That
is
actually
an
interesting
idea,
and
I
you
know
one
model
of
what
you
were
suggesting
would
be
to
figure
out
a
more
systematic
way
of
trying
to
partner
with
some
organizations
like
this
is
to
to
one
support
them
and
to
keep
them
engaged
in
the
community.
Exactly,
I
think,
certainly
things
like
this
have
happened
in
the
drupal
community.
C
We
we
do
this
super
passively.
Like
you
know,
people
can
list
themselves
on
bankrupt.org
as
supporters
agencies
can,
but
really
that's
the
extent
of
it
once
they've
sort
of
added
their
name
to
bankrupt.org
and
they're
listed
there
nothing.
You
know,
we
don't
have
any
formal
follow-up
to
that
and
I
I
could
see
you
know
either
going
two
directions
like
you
just
talked
about
sort
of
trying
to
engage
them
more
in
the
community.
C
One
of
the
thoughts
that
I've
had
in
thinking
about
this
over
the
last
week
is
what,
if
we
actually
did
a
special
like
a
webinar,
where
we
reached
out
specifically
to
agencies
like
this
and
and
said:
hey,
we're
doing
a
special
event
targeted
at
sort
of
these
mid-range
agencies.
C
E
All
right
well
well
here,
good,
because
I
I
want
to
do
a
little
silicate.
This
was
this
is
actually
I
I've
been
struck
recently
with
a
particular.
What
strikes
me
as
concentrated
pool
of
of
triple
seven
orphans,
the
the
the
summary
of
the
agencies,
but
but
I've
I've
been.
I've
been
thinking
that
we
should
specifically
reach
out
to
drupal
7
distributions,
a
number
of
which
are
have
have
no
viable
drupal
8
drupal,
9
drupal
10
plants,
and
they
strike
me
as
a
group.
E
That's
about
to
become
a
large
collection
of
abandonware
and
you
know,
rather
than
to
bring
them
into
the
industry.
I
I
think
I
think,
there's
something
we
said
for
for
getting
them
to
view
themselves.
As
a
group,
you
know
kind
of
compiling
a
list
of
the
distributions
and
other
and
things
that
are
similar,
like
that.
E
I
I
mean
universities,
for
example,
strike
me
as
a
as
a
as
a
big
thing,
where
you
we
have
any
any
pool
of
of
people
that
have
all
together
built
up
things
that
are,
you
know
that
they
rely
on
the
drupal
7
model
they
where
they've
they've,
you
know
assembled.
You
know
modules.
E
Basically,
although
you
know
I
I
I
don't
want
to
cause
too
much
ruckus,
but
but
if,
if
we
could
support
triple
seven
themes
that
that
that
might
be
a
strategic
thing
that
there
would
be
advocates,
but
even
even
leaving
inside
specific
technical
directions,
just
just
creating
a
community
of
of
you
know
you
who
have
been
abandoned.
E
E
Let's
work
with
us
tell
us
what
you
need
tell
us
what
you
need
to
succeed,
because,
because
there's
there
there's
groups
that
have
put
like
a
huge
amount
of
work
into
these
platforms
and
and
and
they
they
don't,
have
the
the
resources
and
the
time
to
convert
it
all
to
do
an
entirely
new
architecture
and
and
so
so
they're
they're
currently
planning
to
abandon
things
near
as
I
can
tell,
and
and
they're
going
to
be
stranding
all
their
users.
So
so
that's
you
know
my
my.
A
Yeah,
for
example,
while
listening
to
what
you
were
saying,
just
sort
of
like
as
a
as
a
form
of
a
quick
research,
I
just
went
to
the
the
listing
of
drupal
distributions
and
the
most
popular,
or
at
least
the
ones
that
show
up
first
is,
for
example,
panoply,
and
that
one
does
not
have
like
its
8.x
version
is
still
in
alpha
last
updated
in
2019,
and
they
do
say
that
drupal
8,
drupal
9,
is
still
in
alpha.
A
A
That
that
one
has
a
and
actually
a
drupal
9
ready
release
a
3
0.0,
which
was
recently
updated.
So
maybe
we
need
to
sort
of
like
filter
through
the
most
popular
ones
that
actually
do
not
have
a
stable,
d8
or
d9
release
either
one
of
those
and
reach
out
to
them,
and
then
I
was
thinking
they
have
to
to
my
knowledge.
They
have
been
no
backdrop
distributions
right.
A
We
have
a
fork
of
backdrop,
but
we
have
no
distributions
and
I
and
I
do
vaguely
recall
a
few
issues
related
to
distributions
which
are
basically
user
profiles
right.
Sorry,
installation
profiles,
right
yep
exactly
so
so
I
hear
you
look
when
you
say
how
we
can
help
them
and
that
we
care,
but
when
you,
when
you
said
that
I
actually
wanted
help,
can
we
help
them.
A
C
Sure
I'd
like
to
jump
in
and
I
and
I
mean
I
think-
that
we're
these
these
ideas
sort
of
dovetail
and
we
could
do
similar
efforts
like
I
like
at
the
very
minimal.
I
like
your
idea,
luke,
I'm
not
sure
how
far
it
goes,
but
it
seems
like
it's
worth
exploring
and
I
think
the
very
minimum
level
would
be
to
just
sort
of
reach
out
and
have
an
outreach
meeting
with
some
of
them
and
talk
about.
Does
this
make
sense?
C
I
think
some
of
the
big
like
one
of
the
bigger
distributions
might
be
like
commerce
kickstart,
which
we
don't
have
a
lot
to
offer
them,
because
we
don't
have
commerce.
On
the
other
hand,
it
might
be
that
some
of
them
would
be
motivated
to
help
bring
commerce.
On
the
other
hand,
I
think
that
their
upgrade
option
to
drupal
8
is
probably
easier,
because
there
is
a
triple
a
version
right,
but
there
are,
there
are
a
bunch
of
them
that
aren't
that
don't
have
upgrade
options
and
you
know
like
monopoly.
C
C
E
I
mean
my
my
point
is
to
reach
us
as
communities
and
and
not
not
try
to
solve
their
problems
for
them.
You
know
let
them
let
them
solve
it
for
themselves,
but
but
just
you
just
you
know,
give
them
the
hotline
number
I
mean
in
in
my
case
I
actually
have
an
abandoned
site
yeah
so
like
I
was
reminded
of
it,
because
my
my
ebb,
doug
site
runs
on
drupal
commons,
right
and,
and
that
is
that
is
gone.
E
C
I
think
I
think
you
phrased
it
perfectly
luke,
which
was
just
to
sort
of
reach
out
and
sort
of
offer
a
hand,
but
we,
you
know
not
promise
anything
because
we
don't
know
you
know
it's
not
like.
We
have
a
robust
distribution
system.
On
the
other
hand,
maybe
this
is
the
way
to
get.
This
is
the
way
to
kick
start.
It
is
together.
E
I
mean
if
you
want
sort
of
a
like
a
concrete
thing.
I'm
a
meeting.
You
know
some
some
like
few
weeks
months,
whatever,
however
long
we
need
to
find
them
and
be
like
come
to.
You
know
come
here
and
and
let's
find
out,
you
know,
we
don't
know,
we
suspect,
there's
issues.
We
suspect
you
have
troubles,
we
don't
know
what
they
are
come
tell
us
and
let's
find
out.
C
E
Maybe
maybe
that
could
be
a
viral
element
to
it
where
it's
like,
like
look,
look
we're
trying
to
find
who's
who's
in
this
state
and
we
don't
know
where
they
are
so
like.
Are
you
in
the
state,
if
you're
not
in
the
state,
do
you
know
anybody's
in
the
state
like
forward?
Here's,
here's
the
thing:
here's,
here's,
the
the
help
package
get
it
down
the
line.
You
know
pass
it
down
the
line
and
and
then
you
know,
meet.
D
C
Yeah,
I
think
that's
about
the
right
time
frame
to
me.
The
next
steps
are
really
I
mean
the
key
to
making
this
work,
I
think,
is
somebody
in
luke.
Maybe
this
is
something
that
that
you'd
be
interested
in.
It's
really
sort
of
willing
to
spearhead
that
meeting
and
facilitate
it
and
just
help
do
the
outreach.
C
C
C
C
The
strategic
partnership
is
rather
than
sort
of
waiting
for
them
to
come
to
us
is
for
us
to
have
a
special
sort
of
webinar
or
I
don't
know
if
I
would
call
it
that
or
a
meeting
that
we
invite
and
any
you
know,
and
what
I
would
say
is
we
just
try
to
randomly
identify
ten.
C
You
know
I
wouldn't
go
after
the
lullabots
or
the
you
know,
but
although
maybe
I
mean
lullabots
not
a
good
example
because
of
the
peculiar
relationship
we
have
with
them
already,
so
we
probably
would
include
them.
But
my
point
being
that
you
know
to
maybe
go,
you
know
not
necessarily
go
after
the
top
10
drupal
companies,
but
to
go
after
some.
C
You
know
10
or
15
of
the
mid-range
ones
and
just
schedule
a
special
meeting
where
we
sort
of
do
a
pitch
and
we
we
build
this
to
them
is
just
an
opportunity
for
them
to
learn
more
about.
What's
going
on
in
background
and
a
chance
for
them
to
ask
us
questions
directly
and
I'm
willing
to
bet
that
a
lot
of
these
those
agencies
sort
of
have
a
backdrop.
We
know
a
number
of
them
have
done
blog
posts
about
us,
but
usually
their
blog
post,
just
sort
of
mentions
backdrop
as
an
option.
C
C
All
the
other
ones
have
sort
of
said
like
hey
bankrupt,
is
an
option,
and
what,
if
we
reached
out
to
a
number
of
those
agencies
and
said
you
know,
here's
a
meeting
specifically
targeted
at
people
like
you
with
other
people
like
you,
where
we
can
talk
about
like
answer
any
questions
you
have,
you
know,
also
get
feedback
from
you
like
what
what
it
is.
That
would
make
backdrop
more
interesting
to
you.
C
D
E
A
My
idea
was
to
reach
out
to
the
the
those
agencies,
for
example,
I'm
taking,
for
example,
real
life.
So
the
agency
that
I
work
for
is
enterprise
and
they're,
trying
to
move
all
customers
from
d7
to
eight
and
now
nine
right,
so
that
wouldn't
be
a
good
candidate
because
they
clearly
stated
that
no
we're
not
interested
so
the
the
agency
that
we
should
go
after
if
I'm
using
the
10
appropriately
is
those
that
said
that
they
can
offer
long-term
support
for
d7
and
yeah.
A
This
is
going
to
be
offered
alongside
what
the
drupal
community
does
for
a
while
for
d7.
But
after
that
point,
what
are
you
gonna
do
like
at
some
point?
You
will
need
to
find
another
solution,
maybe
you're
buying
some
time
for
your
customers,
but
then
yeah
watch.
A
And
yeah,
the
other
thing
that
I
was
thinking
was
that
well
I
think
that
the
official
list
of
people
indeed.org
agencies,
I
think,
there's
only
three.
I
could
be
wrong.
I've
checked
that
months
ago,
which
is
the
official
long-term
support
sort
of
like
I
can't
remember,
is
it
the
steward,
because
so
I'm
confusing
it.
I.
A
A
Think,
okay,
so
they're
actually
they're.
Actually
so
here's
the
thing.
I
think
that
that
at
some
point
the
the
drupal
association
tried
to
monetize
that
as
well
right.
So
they
because,
in
order
to
be
in
the
official
sort
of
like
list
of
providers,
you
have
you
have
to
pay
a
considerable
amount
right
and
without
knowing
the
amount
of
customers
that
you
were
going
to
get
or
their
return
in
investment.
A
A
Yeah
yeah
so
anyways,
let's,
let's
I'm
not
I
when
I
first
suggested
that
a
few
months
ago
I
was
actually
referring
to
that
specific
list.
The
official
list,
but
now
this
presented
an
opportunity
to
say:
hey,
there's
other
people
as
well
right,
which
are
doing
that.
I
don't.
I
know
how
to
find
the
the
names,
at
least
of
the
agencies
that
are
in
the
official
list,
but
I
don't
know
how
to
find
the
others.
So
this
is
something
that
randomly
came
to
our
attention,
so
yeah
anyways.
C
C
I
think,
obviously,
in
this
effort
they
would
be
a
logical
place
to
outreach,
but
I
think
there's
also
another
just
wide
range
of
there's,
a
certain
group
of
agencies
which
are
just
committed
to
drupal
9
right
and
they're,
not
interested
in
projects
that
aren't
drupal
9
scope,
but
they're,
but
but
there
are
like
drupal,
seven
or
drupal
agencies
that
also
do
wordpress
work
that
do
other
work
and
it's
like
they.
C
C
A
C
A
C
E
C
E
C
I
I
actually
think
greg
that
as
long
as
we
set
our,
we
don't
have
excess
of
expectations.
Finding
agencies
won't
be
that
hard.
We
can
just
google
them.
We
can
look
at
our.
We
could
start
on
our
own
list
exactly
and
what
I
would
do
is
go
look
for.
You
know,
browse
through
them
and
find
out.
If
there's
some,
that's
not,
there
could
be
some
that
signed
up.
You
know
five
six
years
ago
and
they
had
well
good
intentions
and
then
just
haven't
done
anything,
and
this
would
be
a
great
chance
to
re-engage
with
them.
A
C
Well,
I
mean
slow
down
a
minute,
you
make
it
sound
like
we're.
Gonna,
hang
up
the
the
meeting
and
start
contacting
people.
I
think
I
think
well,
okay,
I
would
I
would
say
to
me
the
ideal
situation
is
to
first
plan
a
meeting
to
invite
them
to
right
that
to
just
contact
them
out
of
the
blue
without
even
having
like
a
target
date
is,
is
not
ideal.
However,
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
couldn't
make
a
few
such
approaches
to
just
sort
of
gauge
reaction.
C
C
C
C
E
Two
things
to
proceed
in
meeting.
I
I,
I
think,
there's
some
form
of
of
survey.
I
think
there
there's
some
kind
of
things
where
there's
some
questions,
like
you
know,
give
them
some.
E
You
know
here's
us
reaching
out
to
you
to
ask
and
then
some
form
of
pitch
like
here's
possible
proposals
and
then
once
those
two
things
and
those
I'm
not
sure
which
order
they
go
in
but
like
like
once
there's
kind
of
a
back
and
forth
and
sort
of
sort
of
you
know
an
identification
of
of
sort
of
like
you
know
a
little
market
for
this,
then
we
have
a
meeting
to
be
like
okay,
let's
whoever
like
from
this
first
two
levels
has
like
bubbled
up
as
having
like
carrying
it
all.
A
I
think
I
think
that
using
the
contact
form
on
their
side
for
this
specific
agency
to
say,
hey,
can
you
please
let
me
know,
who
is
the
person
that
actually
brought
the
blog
article
and
if
or
who
offered
it
right,
because
it
could
be
a
different
person
that
have
has
sort
of
like
ordered
this
and
another
person
that
approved
it
or
whatever,
and
then
we
go
from
there
and
also
just
also
mention
that
who
I
am
and
if
you
have
any
questions
and
things
like
that
or
if
they
have
a
specific.
C
I
mean
I
don't
care
who
wrote
the
blog
post
greg,
I
think
as
an
agency
they're
interested.
So
I
would
be
you
know,
I
think
you
could
contact
anyone
there
and
just
say
who
should
we
talk?
Who
would
be
the
best
person
to
talk
to
and
it
might
be
the
person
who
wrote
the
blog
post
it
might
not,
but
you
know
I
think
your
strategy
doesn't
hurt.
C
C
If
you
were
saying
to
me
tim,
I
have
the
time,
and
this
is
the
strategy
I
want
to
pursue.
I
would
be
fully
behind
it,
but
if
it's
like
okay,
we're
going
to
try
to
figure
out
some
way
to
make
this
happen,
I
would
start
with
the
easier
one
which
and
which
I
think
is
sufficient,
which
is
to
just
sort
of
just
invite
some
people
to
a
meeting,
but
but
either
either
is
valuable.
And
if
you
and
I
wanted
to
get
together
and
talk
about
this
and
decide
like
how
much
time
we
got.
Oh.
E
Yeah
no,
no!
I
just.
C
E
C
I
agree,
I
would
just
say
that
we
like
before
anybody
reach
or
if
any,
let's
say
it
this
way.
If
anybody
reaches
out
to
an
agency
to
explore
this
idea,
just
let
the
rest
of
us
know
so,
but
but
I
wouldn't
like
start
blanketing
agencies
yet,
but
I
think
it
targeted
like
doing
that.
One
agency
is
fine
and
and
getting
some
sense
from
them.
C
You
know
either
bouncing
this
idea
off
them
or
or,
however,
you
choose
to
sort
of
follow
up,
but
to
gather
a
little
bit
of
intel
would
be
helpful
to
us
in
making
decisions.
A
I
think
yeah
I'll
use
the
contact
form
and
once
if
they
hopefully
they
will
reply,
I
can
then
use
the
umbrella
email
address
that
we
have
the
for
for
the
members
of
the
pmc.
At
least
we
can
do
that
so
that
when
I
reply,
I
see
see
the
rest
of
the
pmc
so
that
we
are
all
across
things
yeah
and
then
we
can
take
it
from
there
refresh
my
memory.
Have
we
set
a
tentative
event
date
for
the
next
slide
back
up
live
yeah,
it's
on
the
website.
Already,
okay,.
C
C
D
D
C
Okay,
okay,
we
will
we'll
update
you
and
what
we
talked
about
in
a
minute,
but
well
at
a
really
high
level,
we're
just
talking
about
a
couple
of
different
audiences
to
reach
out
to,
and
we
talked
about
sort
of
agencies,
and
we
talked
about
distributions
and
drupal
7
distributions,
which
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
your
input
on
later
later,
but
the
the
other
group
that
has
come
up
some
after
the
last
backdrop
live.
C
We
had
a
brief
exchange
with
like
a
cms
influencer
and
some
people
said
what
we
should
be
doing
is
cultivating
relationships
with
influencers,
and
I
you
know
my
gut
reaction
is
yeah,
that's
a
great
idea,
but
this
is
one
I
don't
know
how
to
do.
I
don't
know
who
would
influence
who
who
the
influencers
are,
or
that
would
that
would
be
benefit
from
partnering
with
or
how
to
reach
them.
Do
you
have?
C
Don't
remember,
jen
might
remember
the
name
of
the
particular
guy
that
we
we
had
this
briefing
like
one
more
two
post
exchange
with
this
one
guy.
C
I'm
forgetting
his
name
maz
from
switzerland.
I
think
he
looked
him
up
and
said
he
is
he's
much
more
of
a
corporate
cms
guy,
and
so
he
didn't
think
that
he
would
necessarily
be
an
influencer
in
our
market.
I
don't
know
if
that's
true
or
not,
but
that
was
his
his
impression,
but
do
you
have
like
I
I
mean
I
hear
this
strategy.
All
the
time
in
marketing,
you
know
is
identify
influencers
and
try
to
cater
to
them,
but
I
don't
know
who
our
influencers
are.
C
Other
I
mean
they're,
you
know
like
a
podcast,
you
know,
drupal
podcast
hosts
would
be
would
be
one
obvious
group,
but
I
think
we've
done
actually
pretty
good
at
getting
it
getting
on
their
shows.
They've
like
been
reaching
out
to
us.
I
don't
know
if
there's
podcasts,
that
we've
missed,
but
beyond
that
I
kind
of
start
to
I'm
in
a
loss.
E
B
E
There's
actually
there's
actually
a
couple
there
there's
sort
of
a
community
of
podcasts
that
don't
know
about
us,
but
now
that
I'm
pondering
like
I've,
never
really
thought
about,
but
they
they
they
might
actually,
they
might
actually
run
stories
about
it
like
there.
There
are
sort
of
related
things
where,
where
they're
not
competing
cms's
like
were
there
other,
you
know
web.
C
There
is
a
whole
genre
of
podcasts
that
are
about
like
using
tech
to
start
a
small
business,
or
things
like
that
right
or
some
of
them
are
very
you
know
I
run
into
a
couple
of
them
that
do
a
lot
in
wordpress,
but
they're,
not
wordpress
specific
and
the
the
one.
I
think,
almost
all
of
them
that
we've
been
a
part
of
have
been
drupal
ones,
and
I
it
might
be
nice
to
try
and
reach
out
to
some
of
these
more
neutral
podcasts
to
cover
this
area.
C
C
A
My
experience
of
reaching
out
to
to
wordpress
guys-
and
I
guess
it's
as
expected
as
it
is-
you
could
potentially
get
to
them
if
they're,
if
they
have
in
mind
or
in
the
roadmap
a
a
complex
project,
but
the
the
the
showstopper
for
them
usually
and
from
the
people
that
are
doing
the
wordpress
camps
in
my
hometown,
is
that
you
don't
have
enough
teams
right.
It's
always
like
it's
always.
What's
bothering
them.