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A
This
is
the
this
is
the
backdrop.
Outreach
meeting
comes
every
two
weeks.
We
start
by
going
around
and
doing
a
little
brief
introduction
of
everyone
here
to
start
off.
I'm
robert
lang,
plug
folder
on
the
internet
from
captain
california
I'll
pass
the
intro
over
to
tim.
B
Yeah
hi
I'm
tim
erickson,
saint
paul
tim
on
the
internet
and
I'm
in
deerwood,
minnesota
and
yeah.
We
have
our
first
big
snow
of
the
year
this
year,
so
pictures
a
few
weeks
a
few
days
ago
and
yeah.
We
got
some
interesting
topics
today.
Let's
go
ahead.
Martin.
D
Hi
I'm
greg
I'm
joining
from
greece
no
snow
yet,
but
looking
forward
to
it
yeah.
Let's,
let's
discuss
about
outreach.
B
Good
one
second,
I'm
gonna
copy
the
all
the
links
and
stuff
and
put
them
in
zulu
for
our
friends
and
then
you
guys
your
introductions
were
too
short.
You
didn't
give
me
time
to
finish
my
my
administrative
stuff.
Now,
I'm
back
so
let's
do
a
couple
of
quick
things.
First
again,
the
agenda
is
in.
It's
been
posted
in
zula.
B
If
anybody
has
help
or
is
able
to
help
sort
of
jot
down
some
notes,
I
don't
think
we
usually
do
a
very
good
job,
keeping
the
notes
if
we
could
do
a
little
better.
That
would
be
good
and.
B
Specifically
too,
let's
anything
a
follow-up
task
to
make
sure
that
we
jot
those
down.
So
I
have
some
agenda
items
listed.
I'm
gonna
just
do
a
couple
of
quick
things.
First,
first
of
all
greg
brought
to
our
attention
that
in
the
last
since
our
last
outreach
meeting,
we
crossed
two
thousand
sites
and
used
big
paths,
which
is
a
not
a
perfect
number
in
terms
of
its
accuracy.
So
we
don't
know
exactly
how
many
sites
are
out
there,
but
it's
still
a
benchmark,
and
I
think
it's
a
big
one.
B
I've
been
watching
for
that
for
a
while
and
they're
excited
to
see
us
cross
that
threshold
yeah.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
has
any
anything
to
add
on
that
other
than
just
to
draw
attention
to
that
fact.
So
I
I'll
I'll
say
one
thing
that
one
thing
I
would
love
to
see-
and
I
think
greg
would
agree,
is
better.
You
know.
Drupal
has
a
nice
graph
of
their
usage
and
I'm
often
wondering
like
is
our.
Are
we
going?
B
What's
our
rate
of
acceleration
and
that's
hard
to
see
from
the
raw
numbers
and
a
nice
graphic
representation
of
those
numbers
which
is
great?
So
if
anybody
has
the
skills
and
the
motivation
to
help
us
create
sort
of
a
graphical
interface
for
those
numbers,
I
think
that
would
be
really
awesome.
D
I
you
want
to
say
something
right.
I
usually
look
at
the
at
the
numbers,
both
dribble
and
backdrop
on
december
each
year,
and
what
I
like
to
compare
to
get
an
idea
is
compared
to
last
year.
So
we've
we've
done
500
sites
plus
this
year,
which
is
it's
exciting.
So
we
reached
a
thousand
and
a
half
sites
before
that,
and
it
took
us
some
years
and
having
500
sites
within
a
year
plus
it's
it's
like.
It
gives
you
an
idea
of
how
much
more
activity
has
been
so
yeah,
but.
B
Yeah
one
way
we
could,
I
suppose,
without
a
graphic
interface,
we
could
sort
of
measure.
The
rate
of
acceleration
would
be
to
take
like
500
site
increments
and
see
how
long
it
took
to
do
the
first
500.
The
next
500
and
watch
see
how
quickly
we
get
to
the
next
500
and
hopefully
it'll
be
faster
than
a
year.
So
anyways
anybody
else
have
any
anything
to
add
on
that
topic
and.
C
The
there
is,
there
is
a
charts
module,
so
I
don't
yeah,
so
I
don't
mind
having
a
it
has.
Has
a
couple
of
options.
B
C
B
Total
we
have
weekly
figures
started
totals,
and
I
and
I
we
only
display
the
last
year's
worth
of
data,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
that
the
data
goes
all
the
way
back
in
the
database
and
I
actually
have
been
interested
in
finding
a
way.
That's
another
thing:
I'd
like
to
see
is
more
than
just
the
last
year's
data.
B
Able
to
access
the
data
further
back,
and
I
actually
I'm
not
sure
if,
if
that,
if
all,
if
that's
all
custom
code
displaying
that
or
if
it's
available
to
views,
I
think
I
went
to
look
to
see
if
it
wasn't
viewed.
So
I
could
play
with
it
myself
and
I
don't
think
it
is.
I
think
it's
I
know
it's
generated
by
the
project
module,
but
it
should
be
a
view
I'll
take
a
look
again
later
and
martin.
B
B
C
If
I
suppose
it's
more,
let's
have
a
look
at
the
data,
see
see
what
we
what
we
can
come
up
with
in
terms
of
a
chart
which
is
not
going
to
be
as
pretty
as
drupal,
because
we've
we've
only
got
one
version:
they've
got
theirs,
shows
the
the
decline
and
rise
of
different
versions,
and
whereas
we
just
want
to
be
showing
the
the
growth.
C
As
I
say
I
I
I'd
imagine,
I
think
the
charts
thing
will
sort
of
integrate
with
with
with
views
and
just
need
to
present
the
data
but
yeah.
If
we
can
somehow
get
the
data
and
then
we
can,
we
can
have
a
think
about
how
it
might
be
yeah,
yeah.
D
One
thing
that
I
was
looking
and
I
saw
found
I
find
a
bit
annoying-
is
the
recent
release,
usage
and
I'll.
Explain
how
that
I
find
that
useful.
It's
it's
that
it
doesn't
have
not
natural
sorting
in
the
version
numbers.
So
you
start
with
a
195
yeah.
So
there
are
modules
again
to
do
that.
I
don't
think
they
reported
them,
but
but
yeah
yeah.
B
B
B
They're
pr,
they're,
probably
buried
somewhere,
but
I
I
just
know
that
the
page
exists
and
if
you
google,
it
you'll
find
it
and
the
date
you
get
weekly
numbers
that
go
back
a
year
and
that's
as
far
as
they
go
back
we
do
have-
and
this
is
what
greg
was
just
talking
about-
is
that
the
sorting
of
the
versions
is
so
we
do
have
the
data
for
versions.
B
We
could
do
a
drupal-like
diagram,
but
what
actually
might
be
a
an
interesting
start
would
be
to
just
do
a
dated
dump
of
all
the
data
we
have
going.
D
Go
ahead
just
one
thing:
how
I
find
useful
the
the
the
second
table
there
that
you
were
showing
with
the
specific
versions
is
that
and
how
I
find
it
interesting,
is
that
both
drupal
and
backdrop
have
have
this
sort
of
like
plague.
I
don't
know
what
what
they
call
it
of
neglected
sites
like
you
see
that
there's
certain
sites-
and
it's
quite
a
big
number-
it's
not
it's
not
as
big
like
most
of
the
sites
are
being
maintained,
but
the
rest
of
them
are
just
sort
of
like
they
seem
to
be
one-off.
D
You
know,
site
builds
which
are
not
maintained
after
that,
and
they
have
insecure
versions,
and
it's
not
only
our
problem.
It
seems
it
seems
to
be
global,
oh
yeah,
so
so
yeah,
the
section
there
that
you
have
with
three
digit
numbers
in
the
middle
120s
and
119s.
If
you
look
there
they're
the
maintains
the
the
maintained
ones,
and
then
you
have
some
older
ones
which
are
yeah,
unmaintained
versions
right.
Hopefully,
if
you
get
automatic
updates
on,
hopefully
that
will
be
improved
but
yeah.
Let's
see
right.
B
B
I
mean,
although
an
interesting
thing
about
this,
though,
is
that
this
1.20.2
is
the
version
with
the
bug
in
that
which
is
fixed,
and
we
can
see
that
you
know
after
one
week
there
are
239
sites
were
using
it
after
two
that
had
jumped
up
to
600.
If
we
could
have
gotten
that
second
release
out
much
faster,
we
could
have
saved
four
to
six
hundred
people
from
having
to.
D
B
That
doesn't
right,
it
doesn't
mean
that
all
of
them
were
affected,
but
all
of
them
eventually
eventually
are
having
to
do
the
1.20.3,
and
if
we
had
gotten
that
release
out
within
a
week
only
it
would
have
only
affected
239.
You
know
the
rest
could
have
skipped.
They
could
have
skipped
this
level
and
just
did
one
release
and
now
they're
having
to
do
two
so
that
that's
sort
of
the
point
I
was
trying
to
make.
B
Anyways
yeah,
let's
I'm
gonna
quit
sharing
my
screen,
I
don't
know,
is:
has
anybody
martin?
Have
you
ever
seen
these
stats
before.
C
B
B
Basic
well,
no
there's
you
shouldn't
need
any.
They
should
all
be
totally
public
available
to
anybody.
So
there
shouldn't
be
any
permission
issues.
It's
just
it's
good
they're,
not
the
the
links.
The
link
to
this
page
isn't
published
anywhere
real
obvious
that
I
know
of,
and
I
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
bad
or
a
good
thing,
I'm
not
worried
about
making
it
more
public.
To
be
honest,
I
don't
think
our
numbers
help
us
a
lot
right
exactly
it's
useful.
B
D
Is
we
could
link
them
from
from
each
individual
project?
That's
what
drupal
does,
because
drupal
doesn't
have
a
link
somewhere
with
their
users.
That's
as
far
as
I
know,
but
at
the
bottom
of
its
project
page
there's
a
release,
usage
stats,
which
is
actually
a
link
to
its
individual
usage,
which
we
put.
We
have
the
text
there.
We
could
just
make
it
right.
B
Part
of
what
I'm
asking
is:
is
there
really
any
big
benefit
right
now
to
making
them
more
public?
I
think
one
might
argue
that
the
numbers
aren't
that
impressive
and
making
them
more
public
might
not
really
be
in
a
pr
best
interest.
It's
again
useful
information,
I'm
happy
that
it
is
public,
but
I'm
just
saying:
maybe
we
don't
need
to
maybe
there's
no
benefit
in
promoting.
Why.
C
C
How
big
is
this
and
right
so,
and
I
I
was
liaising
with
one
a
person
recently
who
who
I
I
set
up
the
original
drupal
site
and
then
at
when
when
the
charity
was
just
starting
out
and
it's
had
a
couple
of
different
iterations
of
people
and
they've
been
trying
and
failing
to
get
drupal
9
working
and
suggested
this
and
said
yeah
looks
good,
got
a
ques
question
about.
You
know
how
how
long
it'll
it
is
it
going
to
carry
on
is.
C
F
B
Yeah,
I
don't,
I
don't
feel
bad
about
that,
because
that's
really
totally
up
to
the
users-
and
you
know
I
think
that's
true.
Just
about
any
software,
I
mean
if
you
took
a
look
at
microsoft
windows,
I'm
betting
that
there's
a
shocking
number
of
people
that
are,
you,
know
many
versions
behind
and
that
doesn't.
E
B
Badly
on
windows,
it
it's
just
a
reality
of
but
anyways.
I
know
I
hear
your
point
I'd
like
to
move
along,
because
we
have
a
couple
of
big
topics
and
I
was
hoping
to
skip
over
these
these
kind
of
fairly
quickly,
but
I'm
just
going
to
mention
that
we
are
about
a
little
over
a
week
behind
on
our
newsletter,
and
I
was
hoping
to
get
that
out
and
I
haven't,
but
I'm
still
going
to
take
a
stab
at
it.
B
B
B
Well,
I
did
repurpose
it
to
for
our
upgrade
day,
but
in
doing
so
I
kind
of
threw
it
up,
but
we
had
we
already
in
theory,
had
registration
open
for
the
next
backdrop
live,
but
I
think
that
I
like
went
and
hit
all
of
that
to
to
focus.
I
don't
even
know
I
haven't
looked
at
it
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks,
but
the
point
is:
is
that
our
backdrop
live
site?
B
I
think
our
event
site
is
in
pretty
bad
shape
and
it
probably
requires
me
to
go
in
because
I
know
everything
that
I
did
and
and
get
it
cleaned
up
and
feel
free.
If
anybody
notices
that-
and
you
know
to
bug
me
about
it-
because
we
really
should
get
that
presentable
and
even
better
get
really
in
a
real
but
well
technically,
I
think
registrations
are
open,
I'm
just
not
sure
people
are
going
to
find
the
link
right
now.
B
So
that
all
needs
to
be
clean,
we
got
to
get
rid
of
all
of
that
stuff,
and
this
should
be
kind
of
a
priority.
So
if
anybody
I
mean
anybody
could
go
in
and
do
a
little
bit
of
cleanup,
but
probably
it
might
need
me
or
jen
to
actually
get
the
registration
going
again,
although
maybe
not
somebody
else
might
figure
it
out.
So
somebody
is
inclined
and
has
the
time
to
help.
That
would
be
great,
but
I'm
I
think
I'll
be
able
to
do
that
soon.
B
It's
it's
been
a
goal.
First
of
all,
it's
been
two
minutes
documenting.
It
hasn't
really
made
sense
because
it's
been
hacked
together
quickly
with
the
intention
of
making
it
better.
So
we
haven't
really
wanted
to
like
put
a
lot
of
time
into
documenting
a
really
happy
process,
and
so
what
we
need
to
do
is
stabilize
it
and
then
document
it
seriousness.
B
B
In
the
past
we
have
an
events
calendar
on
backdrop.org,
which
is
pretty
limited,
and
if
we're
going
to
start
listing
events
on
the
event
site
and
using
it
in
a
better
way,
we're
gonna
sort
of
need
it,
I
think,
to
transition,
but
we're
not
we're
not
quite
there
yet,
but
we
do
have
like
we've,
we've
been
advertising
the
the
backdrop
the
survivors
joining
us
welcome.
Surashri.
B
We
have
been
promoting
the
office
hours
on
the
backdrop
events
calendar
there
is,
I
want
to
mention
the
spanish.
I
don't
know
if,
like
greg-
or
some
of
you
may
not
even
be
aware
of
this
about
two
weeks
ago,
we
got
a
tweet
from
a
group
saying
we're
doing
a
spanish
speaking
user
group
like
in
two
days,
and
I
assume
it
was
like
a
zoom.
Actually,
it
might
have
been
using
some
another
technology
and
I
sent
them
a
note
saying
hey.
B
If
you
guys
want
us
to
promote
it,
just
let
us
know,
and
they
we
really
didn't,
get
the
information
and
time
to
promote
their
their
first
one.
But
I
sent
them
a
note
asking
them
how
it
went
and
they
said
you
know
that
it
was
a
slow
start.
Mostly
just
I,
I
think,
a
small
group
and
the
first
meeting
was
largely
about
sort
of
getting
to
know
each
other,
but
they
planned
another
one
for
january.
So
I
would
like
to
promote
that
through
our
twitter.
D
B
D
Do
you
know
if
it's
a
the
latin
america
beat
or
spanish
in
general,
because
we
had
we
had
a
couple
of
members
in
the
community
like
robert
garrigos,
if
I
remember
the
name
and
then
opi
we
were
that
were
really
active
in
the
sort
of
like
spain
region,
but
yeah
that's
well.
Actually
I
haven't
seen
opie
in
the
in
the
issue
in
a
while,
so
I
might
just
think
them
to
say:
hey.
What's
up.
B
Sure
they
did
not
describe
it
geographically,
they
described
it
as
language.
B
Jose
sanchez
de
la
pina-
I
don't
know
if
anybody
recognizes
that
name
is
the
twitter
handle
for
the
person
who
seems
to
be
organizing
it,
and
I
I
have
a
feeling
it's
all
po.
Well,
they
latina
meet
up
so
latina.
Does
that
refer
to
latin
america
or
does
that
refer
to
spanish
speaking?
Does
anybody
know
I
would
okay
it
doesn't
it.
I
don't
think
it
really.
B
I
say
they
gave
me
a
very
short
snippet
of
text
a
date
january
14th
and
basically
you
know
I
was
hoping
for
like
a
website
or
something,
but
it
looks
like
they.
They
said
to
join
them
to
join
their
telegram
group
so
and
they
gave
a
link
to
their
telegram
group.
So
I
think
telegram
is
kind
of
just
like
a
group
chat,
sort
of
a
group
text
program.
Isn't
it
anybody
use
telegram,
I
use
it
yeah
and
isn't
it
isn't
it
just
like
a
group
chat.
F
It's
yeah,
you
can
set
up
groups
in
it
or
you
can
do
individually,
okay,
but
telegram.
There's
a
lot
of
activity
on
telegram
right.
That's
political
and
medical,
and
all
of
that
very
very
well.
B
Anyway,
so
I
don't
know
that
there's
any
action
we
need
to
take
on
this,
but
we
were
just
talking
about
that.
Well,
the.
D
D
G
H
That's
wonderful,
that's
good,
are
they
do
they
have
any
online
presence
somewhere
or
that's
always.
B
That's
what
we're
talking
about
at
this
point,
I
think
it's
very,
very
much
in
its
infancy.
So
as
far
as
I
know
that
they
have
nothing
more
than
a
telegram
group,
do
you
have
that
address?
Well,
I'm
about
to
share
it.
I'm
gonna
put
it
in
zulu
and
I'm
not
even
sure.
If
this
address
I'm
sharing
is
useful.
That's
all
I
have.
Let's
put
it.
B
There
you
go
yeah,
somebody,
okay
good,
so
if
anybody
wants
to
check
that
out,
they
had
one
small
meeting
in
about
two
two
weeks
ago.
I
think
and
they're
planning
another
one
in
january.
So.
D
Okay-
and
this
is-
and
it
says,
13
members-
so
that's
that's
nice,
okay,.
B
What
okay
we're
halfway
through
our
meeting
and
we
haven't,
got
to
our
two
bigger
topics:
let's
start
with
the
one
that
martin's
interested
in
martin
just
identified
some
opportunities
for
us
to
maybe
do
a
little
bit
better
on
linkedin
and
martin.
Do
you
want
to
introduce
what
your
ideas
are?
Then
we
can
figure
out
where
to
go
next.
C
Yeah,
I
just
I
just
thought
we
probably
needed
to
have
a
slightly
more
outward-facing
presence
on
linkedin.
It's
where
a
lot
of
information
shared
between
businesses
and
suppliers
and
generally
pretty
active,
and
if,
if
you're
connected
to
someone,
then
and
someone
likes
it,
then
you
you
get.
You
see
something
in
your
feed,
so
it
might
just
be
quite
effective
at
raising
awareness.
C
All
all
we
it
could
just
have,
I
was,
I
wasn't
planning
anything
particularly
grand.
It
was
more
just
let's,
let's
replicate
our
announcements
and
see
how
it
grows,
and-
and
it
may
be
that
that
there
is
an
opportunity
to
sort
of
write
about
particular
functions
or
features
or
and
and-
and
I
wouldn't
do
it-
I
wonder
whether
use
cases
might
be
a
a
good
thing
where,
where
we'll,
we'll
kind
of
identify
a
use
case,
that
backdrops
meeting
really
well
and
use
that
as
something
that
can
be
shared.
C
C
We
will
start
with
just
announcements
and
and
see
how
it
grows
really
and
get
get
people
who
are
members
of
the
community
who
are
on
linkedin
to
to
follow
it
and
and
even
if
it's
just
liking
posts
it
will.
It
will
start
to
build
up
awareness.
D
Sure,
just
about
I
like
the
idea
just
about
the
time
when
you
suggested
that
in
zulip
I
think
it
was
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
I
randomly
happened
to
be
taking
one
of
my
colleagues
linkedin
profile
because
they
posted
something,
and
I
did
see
that
they
have
a
a
drupal
project
company
listed
and
that
they've
been
there.
They've
been
working
there,
that's
as
an
employee
for
17
years
and
and
in
the
description
below
says,
a
long
time,
open
source
contributor
as
a
speaker,
blah
blah
blah
whatever.
D
So
I
think
it's
it's
good,
at
least
for
the
usual
suspects
like
in
the
room
and
the
zulu
channel,
to
sort
of
like
add
ourselves
there
from
the
date
we
started
joining
and
yeah.
B
Page
or
organization
yeah
we
don't
currently
have
that
there
is
a
group
a
back
up
a
closed
private
group
which
is
not
active
and
hasn't
been
for
many
years
every
once
in
a
while.
Somebody
like
myself,
might
jump
in
there
and
post
an
announcement
about
backdrop
live,
but
I'm
talking
like
every
18
months,
maybe
one
post
and,
as
martin
has
pointed
out-
that's
not
very
public
facing
and
maybe
not
even
that
useful.
B
Although
you
know
if
there
ever
got
to
be
enough
people
on
linkedin
interested.
I
know
that
there
are
some
active
drupal
groups
in
in
linkedin.
I
believe
there
are.
I
have
occasionally
seen
activity
there,
but
they
have
a
you
know
a
much
huger
base
to
draw
from
than
we
do
so
so
the
goal
would
be
to
just
get
a
an
organizational
page
going,
and
you
know
I
mean
hope,
like
obviously
how
just
creating
the
page
is,
is
the
easy
part
right,
creating
content
for
it.
B
Well
we're
having
a
hard
time
creating
content
for
our
own
page.
So
but.
D
C
C
I
I
don't
want
to
be
too
ambitious.
I've
I
think,
but
but
even
just
that,
and
if
we
have
people
who
are
on
linkedin
and
who
follow
it
and
can
like
the
posts.
B
B
Sure,
well,
let
me
put
this
in
the
context
of
our
broader
social
media
too.
For
those
who
aren't
aware
we're
most
active
on
on
twitter-
and
I
do
most
of
the
tweeting
jen
also
occasionally
does
some
tweeting,
but
probably
90
of
it
is
coming
for
me.
We
have
a
facebook
page
page.
We
have
a
facebook,
you
know
an
organization
page
and
it
gets.
I
I've
been
doing
a
little
bit
more
there
lately,
but
it's
still
pretty
sparse.
B
B
So
what
we,
when
we,
when
we
do,
have
something
like
backdrop
live
we
try
to
hit
all
the
social
media
channels
and
I
can
post
as
backdrop
on
twitter
and
and
facebook,
but
I
can't
on
linkedin
so
usually
on
linkedin,
I
just
post
it
myself.
So
if
we
had
a
page,
we
could
at
least
post
as
an
organization
which
would
be
a
big,
probably
a
big
improvement.
So
I
do
you
know
I
mean
I
I
would
assume
anybody
can
just
create
that
group
can't
they
yeah.
C
You
just
well,
you
just
need
to
be
able
to
put
something
as
a
as
some
some
form
of
role
that
you've
got
and
then
basically
the
first
person
do
that
can
kind
of
create
it.
So
I
think
now
now
I'm
officially
a
contrib
maintainer
I
could
I
I
could
do
that.
I
could
probably
do
that
now.
If
we're
happy
and
then
add
whoever
wants
to
be
to
be
a
a
content,
admin
and
that
way
people
can
can
easily
post
as
backdrop.
C
Whoever
feels
need-
and
I
don't
mind
start
taking
on
you
know
if,
if
we've
got
announcements,
I
can
take
take
responsibility
for
pushing
those
out,
and
I
think
if
we,
if
we
start
getting
conversations
around
it,
then
that
might
steer
to
say
actually
there
is
a
demand
for
more
content,
but
at
the
very
least
we
we
can
raise
awareness
and
I
think,
that's
half
of
the
issue
that
a
lot
of
people
haven't
haven't
heard
about
it
and.
B
So
that's
great
if
I
think
I
think
we
should
go
ahead
and
do
it.
I
don't
know
that
there's
any
formal
decision
that
needs
to
be
made.
B
B
Up
a
page,
but
if,
if
you
are
able
to
and
willing
martin,
I.
B
Great,
if
you
went
ahead
and
set
it
up
and
then
just
be
sure
to
add,
like
myself
and
well,
I
don't
know
if
greg
uses
linkedin
enough
that
you
would
want
to
be
at
it.
Jen,
probably
we
should
add
her
yeah
as
admin,
so
just
make
sure
there's
a
couple
of
us
that
can
add.
C
B
And
then
you
should
feel
free
to
go
ahead
and
post
announcements
or
whatever,
as
you
see
them,
and
it
would
be
great
to
split
that
responsibility
up.
So
I
can
focus
on
twitter.
You
can
focus
on
linkedin.
C
B
Well,
let's
just
go
ahead
and
do
that
then
I
think
the
linkedin
group,
I
think
we
can
kind
of
just
ignore
for
now
and
but
if
and
watch
and
if
there's
ever
any
interest
or
people
start
to
post
there,
then
maybe
we
think
more
about
it.
But
I
wouldn't
want
to
try
to
reinvigorate
that
unless
we
have
the
energy
to
be.
C
No,
I
mean
if
we,
if
we
can
get
conversations
happening
on
linkedin
from
the
company
posts,
whether.
E
C
Post
simply
announcements
or
we
post
articles,
and
we
get
discussions
happening
on
that-
that's
going
to
be
much
better
for
reach
than
anything
happening
in
a
private
group
and
and
and
it's
unlikely
that
that
any
of
the
kind
of
things
that
you
might
get
people
discussing
are
going
to
be
of
a
private
nature.
Anyway,
it's
going
to
be
about
you
know,
will
it
work
for
this?
Will
it
work
for
that.
B
B
I
mean
I
just
assumed
that
that
was
kind
of
the
way
linkedin
did
it
was
you
had
to
join
the
group,
but
the
the
advantage
of
of
a
group
is
that
if,
if
you're
somebody
coming
to
the
backdrop,
that's
interested
in
backdrop
and
you're,
you
don't
know
anybody
else
on
linkedin.
B
C
B
But
but
people
aren't
doing
that
right
now,
so
I
don't
think
we
should.
We
should
worry
about
it,
although
I
think
it
wouldn't
hurt
if
we
posted
something
every
three
or
four
months,
just
so
that
it
shows
that
you
know
there's
the
community's
not
completely
dead.
Otherwise
it
looks
like
a
ghost
town
and
that's
not
yeah.
C
Yeah,
well
I
a
few
months
ago,
I
I
I
made
a
request
to
join
the
group
and
I
think
it's
still
pending,
but.
C
Up
so
you
have
to
be
approved
where,
as
if,
if
people,
if
people
want
to,
if
people
are
wanting
to
find
someone
which
I
think
the
purpose
of
it
says
wanting
to
find
someone
who
can
help,
they
don't
want
to
wait
for
approval.
They
want
to
click,
join
and
be
able
to
get
in
almost
instantly,
which
I
think
you
can
set
up
groups
so
that
they
can
do
that.
B
Well,
martin,
now,
let's,
let's
bring
this
up
again
when
jenna's
around
because
she's
the
administrator
one
of
the
two
administrators,
the
other
one,
is
not
active
in
the
community
anymore.
So,
okay,
but
let's
we
got
one
more
agenda
item.
Let's
move
on
to
that
so
die.
B
The
the
last
agenda
item
was
diane
is,
is,
unfortunately,
not
here,
but
she
raised
a
proposal
with
me
and
it
was
something
that
emerged
out
of
discussions
at
the
last
backdrop,
live-
and
I
don't
think
we're
anywhere
close
to
taking
any
major
actions
on
this
yet,
but
just
we're
really
just
looking
for
feedback,
and
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
in
the
last
backdrop
live
was
that
a
lot
of
contrib
modules
aren't
or
especially
ones
that
haven't
been
released
yet
but
are
in
development,
are
not
very
discoverable
and
an
example
of
this
are
things
like
organic
groups,
which
a
lot
of
work
has
been
done
on
the
organic
groups
module,
but
it's
not
enough
to
have
a
release
yet,
which
means
that
if
you
were
evaluating
backdrop
and
you
came
from
drupal
and
you
went
to
the
project
page
and
you
searched
for
organic
groups,
you
would
find
nothing
and
you
might
logically
assume.
B
B
Actually
joseph
you're
not
who's
the
one
doing
or
is
that
I
don't
think
that
was
you.
I
think
it
was
larry.
I
have
no
idea.
Okay,
yeah,
you
you,
but
you
have
a
similar
used
situation
with
display
shapes
where
people
come
looking
for,
display,
suites
and
there's
no
official
release,
but
you
have
done
a
lot
of
work
on
that
and
my
understanding
is
that
it
it
may
be
in
a
usable
state
already,
but
people
don't
know
that,
and
so
that's
just
the
one
use
case.
I
think
the
other.
B
The
other
situation
that
diane
was
trying
to
address
was,
if
you
have
questions
about
a
module
like
a
specific
contrib
module
right
now.
Where
do
you
take
those,
and
some
people
aren't
that
comfortable?
The
only
real
place
to
go
is
github
right.
There's
a
github
issue
queue,
but
the
github
issue
isn't
really
that
inviting
to
somebody.
That's
like
a
new
evaluator
that
just
wants
to
ask
about
a
module.
You
know
the
github
issue.
B
Queue
is
like
where
work
is
getting
done
on
the
module
and,
if
you're,
just
sort
of
casually
exploring
the
community,
you
might
not
feel
comfortable
jumping
into
the
issue
to
ask
a
simple
basic
question:
you
could
go
to
the
forum,
but
there's
no
dedicated
place
on
the
forum
for
that,
so
that
might
be
a
little
bit
weird
and
on
bankrupt.org,
there's
no
interactive
element
to
that
there
you
know,
all
you
can
do
is
get
information
about
modules.
B
I
think
there
are
other
options
to
sort
of
solving
these
combined
problems
like
we
could
add
comments
to
the
project
pages
on
backdrop.org,
which
might
be
a
smaller
step
forward,
but
it's
also
very
different,
but
that
would
you
know
that
would
you
know
create
the
kind
of
opportunity
that
she's
talking
about
whether
or
not
it's
a
good
idea?
I
don't
know
we
could
just
more
aggressively
push
people
forward
to
get
help,
although
I
definitely
see
the
problems
with
that.
B
You
know
we
could
you
know
another
option
I
suppose
might
be
to
just
to
not
automatically
create
forum
topics
for
all
the
modules,
but
to
provide
a
better
opportunity
to
talk
about
forum
and
trip
modules
on
the
forum.
I
don't
know
I'd
just
like
to
be
quiet
now
and
see
if
anybody,
if
this
idea
is
resonating
with
anybody
and
or
if
they
have
other
ideas
about
solving
the
kinds
of
problems
we
just
talked
about.
F
D
Yeah,
I'm
curious,
I'm
curious.
We
have
a
german
speaking
group
and
I'm
not
sure-
and
these
guys
are
active
in
zulu,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
they
have
any
other
means
of
meeting,
I'm
sure
they're
using
zoom
or
some
other
like
face-to-face
thing,
but
curious,
why
the
latin
group
went
with
another
app
instead
of
the
official
zulip
thing.
Of
course,
they're
free
to
do
whatever
sort
of
like
suits
them
best,
but
yeah.
F
B
So
so,
maybe
that
that's
why
they're
there
is
that
they're
a
subgroup
of
an
already
existing
group,
so
it
makes
sense
to
sort
of
stay
where
they
are,
but
we'd
have
to
find
out
more
about
that,
but
to
be
honest
right
now,
I
feel
like
I
just
want
to
support
whatever
they're
doing
and
not
trying
to
redirect
them
right
like
if
they
think
this
is
the
right
tool.
Let's
just
give
them
whatever
support.
We
can.
B
Okay,
I'm
not
hearing
a
lot
of
feedback
on
the
do.
We
need
a
better,
so
how
about?
If
I
ask
the
question
this
way:
do
other
people
share
the
the
concern
or
the
idea
that
we
just
need
a
better
way
for
people
to
for
beginners,
to
sort
of
be
able
to
ask
questions
or
learn
about
watches?
A
I
think
it
is
but
there's
two
mingled
issues
there
right
so
for
for
it,
modules
that
have
a
release
and
therefore
made
it
to
v.org.
I
think
we
can.
We
can
add
to
that
page
to
the
org
page
in
that
right,
sidebar,
you
know,
there's
the
current
wording
is
view.
Issues
proposes
something
and
then
a
link
for
general
discussion.
A
A
I've
forgotten
the
number,
but
there's
an
issue
where
suggested
that
even
for
non-released
back
things
in
the
github
contrib
that
we
somehow
posted
on
be.org
as
something
in
progress
that
takes
it
back,
there's
a
logistical
problem
of
how
do
we
work
with
github
actions
to
make
that
happen
both
for
newly
created,
contrib
and
also
all
the
old
existing
ones?
B
I
think
you're
right
robert,
I
probably
shouldn't-
have
mingled
them.
I
I
think
that
both
sort
of
spurred
both
discussions
started
from
a
similar
place,
but
they're
kind
of
two
different
discussions.
So
we
should
probably
focus
on
the
discussion
one
right
now,
which
is
how
to
robert
with
your
idea
about
just
linking
to
the
forum.
B
B
I
don't
know
you
know
I
can
see
benefits
to
any
of
them.
The
last
one,
though
we
run
the
risk
of
having
you
know,
550
empty
topics
and
only
25
with
any
discussion,
and
I
don't
know,
if
that's
a
good
thing,
can
you
hide
and
remember.
A
Sorry,
we
also,
we
already
have
a
mechanism
for
additional
information
that
people
are
encouraged
to
contribute
to
the
wiki
page
on
github
and
there's
the
problem
that
the
vast
majority
of
them
are
are
empty
and
we
just
recently
changed
the
sidebar
link
that
took
you
to
the
wiki
page
because
for
most
projects,
people
would
click
on
the
link
to
go
there
and
it
would
throw
you
into
the
generic
github
page
and
then
they
go.
What's
this,
you
know
what
is
what
happens.
F
Sorry
go
ahead.
I
think
it'd
be
good
to
have
a
list
of
the
modules
that
are
in
progress,
just
a
list
of
them
and
have
it
pinned
at
the
top
of
some
page,
either
at
the
forum
or
whatever,
and
then
the
discussion
group
under
that.
So
they
would
collect
everything
together.
It's
pinned
and
kept
current,
and
then
there
could
be
discussion
underneath.
D
I'm
not
sure
how
we
could
automate
how
we
could
automate
that
there
might
be
some
custom
code
required
to
grab
new
projects
and
sync
them,
or
you
know,
figure
out
if
they
have
a
release
and
then
they
get
out
of
this
list.
The
other.
The
other
sort
of
like
manual
way,
is
that
when
people
join
the
contrib
group,
we
have
a
set
of
instructions
on
what
to
do
next,
how
you
transfer
your
projects
and
so
on.
We
could
add
a
bullet
point
there.
D
B
I
hear
you,
that's
all
making
me
even
more
nervous
that
we're
ending
up
just
sending
people
to
empty
spaces,
as
somebody
who's
done
online
community
management
before
I'm
really
nervous
about
the
idea
of
creating
a
thousand
top
or,
but
you
know,
600
vf600
project,
I'm
creating
600
topics
without
any
content.
B
I
I'd
be
more
inclined
to
sort
of
do
sort
of
what
robert's
talking
about,
which
is
to
direct
people
to
the
forum
and
maybe
to
have
a
section
of
the
forum.
That's
specifically
for
a
contrib
where
we
you
know
our
goal
would
be
to
get
discussions
about
all
the
relevant
for
the
topics
there,
but
we
have
them
as
we
need
them
right.
We
don't
try
to
add
them
all
right
away.
B
D
So
the
the
front
page
of
the
the
forum
is
basically
a
view.
So
if,
if
there's
topics
with
zero
comments
or
or
threads
with
zero
topics,
we
could
we
could
hide
them.
So
maybe
that
could
alleviate
the
zero
thing
or
move
them
again.
B
B
The
next
closest
one
is
requests
and
feedback.
I
actually
have
a
concern
right
now
that
anything
that
isn't
in
the
top
one
gets
lost,
but
I
think
we
could
add,
like
a
contrib
section
to
the
front
page
if
we
thought
that
would
be
helpful
and
that
might
actually
turn
out
to
be
a
really
popular
section.
B
So
we
wouldn't
be
showing
individual
individual
modules
on
the
front
page.
What
I
envision
is,
we
would
open
up.
You
know
the
contrib
section
and
here's
where
you
would
see
a
topic
for
each
imprint
module
if
we
did.
If
we
went
that
route,
that's
how
I
think
that
would
happen.
B
E
Were
about
to
say
something
so
two
things,
one
first
one
it
would
be.
I
don't.
I
think
we
should
call
it
modules
or
themes
instead
of
contrib,
because
contrib
is
not
a
normal
english
word
and
then
the
second
one
is.
Would
it
be
better
to
make
it
easier
to
find
the
github
repos,
rather
than
creating
hundreds
of
empty
topics.
B
I
personally
am
very
torn
when
these
topics
come
up
between
my
desire,
so
we
continually
run
into
the
problem
of
newcomers
who
feel
uncomfortable
with
github,
and
we
have
really
two
choices
when
we
run
into
that
problem,
one
of
which
is
how
do
we
make
them
more
comfortable
with
github?
B
The
other
is,
how
do
we
provide
them
alternatives
to
get
up,
and
I
see
good
arguments
for
both
and,
to
be
honest,
there's
a
part
of
me
that
really
wants
to
lean
towards
the
how
to
you
know,
trying
to
make
people
feel
more
comfortable
using
get
out,
but
there's
this
other
part
which
says
that's
just
riskier
and
dangerous,
because
some
people
just
won't
they
they
reject
that.
Now.
This
is
not
a
large
number
of
people,
I
don't
think,
but
it
could.
B
A
There's
a
class
of
questions
that
that
probably
don't
fit
github,
or
at
least
as
a
user.
I
would
perceive
it's
not
it's
not
an
issue.
You
know
issues
are
it's
like.
Will
this
module
do
the
thing
that
I
want
done
and
I
I
would
feel
uncomfortable
going
to
the
that
modulus
page
and
raising
that
as
an
issue,
but
but
there
needs
to
be
a
place
to
ask
that
question,
and
so
maybe
that's
where
the
forum
could
play
that
role.
D
B
I
mean
they're
another
option
and
we
need
to
wrap
up
it's
time
for
the
next
meeting.
Another
option,
of
course,
would
be
that
there
is
as
greg,
I
think
you
pointed
out
a
number
of
times-
the
option
to
add
forums
to
github
projects,
so
that
would
create
a
better
spot
within
github,
but
it
doesn't
solve
the
problem
of
people
that
are
just
uncomfortable,
although
it
might
make
them
more
comfortable
right,
it
might
feel
more
inviting
to
to
join
github
and
join
a
forum
than
it
would
be
to
join.
B
That
might
be
worth
looking
at
a
little
closer
before
we
take
any
actions
because
and
maybe
bouncing
that
off
some
people
and
seeing
if
it
would
make
them
more
comfortable
posting
questions
in
github
if
they
have
that
kind
of
an
option.
Instead
of
opening
an
issue.
H
Right,
if
I
may
say
quickly,
I'm
just
looking
at
the
modules
portal-
and
if
I
you
know
if
I
was
someone
who's
not
familiar
with
github,
it
would
be
helpful
to
know
that
to
have
a
link
in
in
this
portal
that
go
tell
takes
me
to
the
forum,
because
there
are
different
sites.
I
mean
the
one
is
forums.backdropcms.org,
and
this
is
you
know
this
is
a
it's
not
so
clear
that
that
there's
a
place.
If
I
come
to
the
weight.
H
For
example,
I'm
looking
at
the
weight
module
right
now
on
the
portal,
none
of
the
links
above
well,
there's
one
that
says
support
it
says
backtrack
support,
but
I
mean
adding
a
link
at
the
bottom
of
the
description
of
the
module.
Saying
if
you
have
questions
go
to
the
forum,
I
think
that
would
be
easy
to
do
and
it
would
be
a
good
first
step.
Perhaps.
B
I'm
leaning
that
way
too,
as
a
first
step,
but
by
no
means
the
end
of
the
discussion
is
to
just
maybe
create
a
section
on
the
forum
for
modules
and
themes
and
and
direct
people.
There
have
them
open
their
own
topic,
not
trying
to
not
try
to
pre-populate
it
initially
and
just
see
if,
if,
if
how
that
goes
and
then
decide
what
to
do
next,.
C
Can
we
what
what
we
thought
one
thought
just
on
that
is:
could
we
use
like
the
the
module
data
as
a
kind
of
taxonomy
within
the
forums.
B
Well,
maybe
I
I
think
there
would
be
ways
of
doing
that,
but
I
would
probably
require
a
little
bit
of
work
and
something
maybe
worth
exploring
would
be
like.
Maybe
we
could
just
sort
of
help
people
like
when
they're
creating.
If
I
understand
you
right,
martin,
what
I
think
you
might
be
suggesting
is
like,
if
I
want
to
create
a
topic
within
this
module
section,
is
that
I
would
be
able
to
like
pick
a
drop-down
list
and
pick
from
any
of
the
existing
modules
and
that
that
way
we
could
also
really
easily
group
related
questions.
B
C
B
Okay,
let's
wrap
this
up
to
end
our
meeting
so
that
the
next
meeting
can
get
started.
It
looks
like
he's
working
really
hard
on
the
agenda.
My
name
is
hey
by
every.