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A
Live
hey
welcome
everybody
to
this
week's
weekly
outreach
meeting
forgot,
which
meeting
I'm
in
and
let's
just
go
ahead
and
start
with
our
introductions
as
we
normally
do.
We
are
being
screamed
for
those
that
are
here.
If
you
care
to
mute
or
block
your
video,
you
can't,
but
we
welcome
everybody
to
join
us.
My
name
is
tim
erickson,
otherwise
known
as
st
paul
tim
and
I'm
coming
to
you
from
deerwood
minnesota
and
just
recovering
from
a
really
fun
and
exciting
backdrop
live
last
week.
A
So
luke
you
want
to
go
next.
B
I
am
luke
mccormick
ordinarily
in
ceremony,
california,
but
currently
a
passenger
in
a
car,
so
not
driving
on
101
south
headed
to
la
for
the
weekend.
I'm
a
technical
account
manager
and
since
this
will
awkward
I'll
just
throw
it
to
let's
say
greg.
D
E
F
I
am
joseph
I'm
a
back-end
developer
from
las
vegas
nevada
and
yeah
jen.
I
think.
G
A
Somewhere
there
mouth
suddenly
stops
working
yeah
welcome
back
okay,
so
we
have
an
agenda.
I
think
this
week,
as
I
said,
the
the
things
I
mentioned
were
talking
about.
Background
live
what
are
the
follow-up
things
that
are
going
to
happen?
A
The
proposal
I've
linked
to
it
in
the
agenda
is
to
do
some
sort
of
a
drupal
7
upgrade
week
or
or
drupal
7
end
of
life,
the
the
idea
to
tie
into
the
fact
that
it's
one
year
out
from
the
end
of
triple
seven's
life
and
to
try
and
generate
some
publicity.
We
did
also
have
a
request
that
we
talked
about
the
newsletter
bw
panda
peter
has
been
doing
an
excellent
job
sort
of
getting
our
newsletter
out
on
a
pretty
regular
basis,
which
is
a
big
improvement.
A
We
went
from
like
every
randomly,
maybe
every
three
months
or
so
getting
a
newsletter
to
pretty
much
everyone
every
month,
for
I
don't
know
about
six
months
or
so
that
peter's
been
doing
that,
but
he
is
looking
for
somebody
else
to
step
up
and
help
us
with
the
newsletter
I
I
could
probably
do
it
this
month.
I
like
doing
the
newsletter,
but
I
I
don't
want
one
more
thing
on
my
plate,
so
I'd
love
to
get
somebody
new
doing
that.
A
A
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
talk
about
it
a
lot,
but
I
went
ahead
and
added
it
to
the
forums
or
to
the
forum,
so
it
might
be
good
that
he's
checked
in.
Is
there
anything
else?
I
did
post
a
link
to
the
notes
from
backdrop
live
in
the
agenda
and
there
is
a
bunch
of
you
know
when
I
was
taking
the
notes.
C
Tim
can
you
mention
what
was
the
final
round
up
like
the
how
many
registrations
we
had?
I
noticed
that
we
usually
that
the
top
attendees
that
we
had
for
sessions
was
like
25
to
30,
but
I
think
that
registrations
were
more
than
that.
A
Yeah,
I'm
forgetting
the
exact
amount,
I'm
pretty
sure
we
were
right
around
55
registrations
within
one
or
two
of
that,
which
is,
I
think,
more
than
we've
had
for
anyone
except
the
first
backdrop
live.
But
the
first
backdrop
live.
I
feel,
like
we
had
a
whole
bunch
of
people
registered
just
to
support
us,
but
that
didn't
come
at
all
and
there
were
some
of
those
this
time,
but
not
as
many
I
think
than
as
many.
C
A
It's
a
good
idea,
I'm
just
I
I
my
head
jumps
right
away
to
implementing
it
and
how
I'm
one
we
don't
have
a
clear
idea
of
everybody
who
showed
up.
So
I
couldn't
tell
you
for
sure
that
anybody
wasn't
there.
You
know
didn't
actually
show
up.
C
A
Well,
and
that's
where
my
mind
was
going-
is
that
so
to
address
that
specific
question
alone
would
be
hard,
but
if
we
pouched
it
in
just
a
broader
survey,
I
don't
think
we've
done
any
kind
of
follow-up
survey.
After
any
of
the
previous
backdrop,
lives,
and
if
we
have
the
bandwidth,
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
do
that.
C
And
follow
up
for
transparency
reasons.
How
much
did
we
end
up
getting
from
the
nations
that
would
be
in
jen's
court?
I
have
no.
A
Yeah
I
would
like
I
would
be
curious
about
that
as
well.
We
for
those
who
are
unaware
donations
are
all
going
through
paypal
and
I'm
not
getting
any
notification
of
that
and
they're
separate
from
registrations
completely
at
this
stage.
That's
something
maybe
we
could
make
better
in
the
future,
but
right
now
people
independently
register
and
then
they
independently
make
a
donation
afterwards,.
A
I
was
just
going
to
say
gregory,
I
don't
know
if
it's
that
clear,
we
have
a
whatever
infrastructure
expenses.
We
have
infrastructures
yeah,
not
just
hosting.
That's
what
I
meant.
Sorry,
okay,
so
if
nobody
has
anything
else
to
add
to
the
agenda,
should
we
run
through
those
things
and
go
ahead?
I
mean
I'll
just
say
too
there.
There
has
been
other
things
that
we
could
talk
about,
but
I
don't
think
we'll
have
time
today.
A
There's
been
a
lot
of
chatter
in
the
zulu
about
outreach
in
the
last
48
hours,
including
matthias,
has
been
updating
us
in
zulu
about
some
work
he's
doing
with
google
with
google
ads,
and
I
think
he's
actually
running
a
google
ad
right
now
and
he
he
asked
us
I
I
did
not
realize
this
was
the
case.
Well
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
tied
to
his
google
ad,
but
he
suggested
that
we
search
for
drupal
alternatives
to
see
how
high
back
we
compare.
A
I
I've
heard
this
before,
but
I've
forgotten
we
have
a
landing
page.
Quadruple
has
a
the
best
alternative
for
or
backdrop
is,
an
alternative
for
drupal
7.
and
I
believe,
that's
a
page
that
matthias
made
specifically
for
google
ads
sort
of
as
a
landing
page
and
and
for
seo
purposes,
and
if
I
did
a
search,
I
think
some
people
were
getting
that
on
the
first
page
of
the
search,
the
backdrop
page
on
that.
A
For
me
it
was
coming
near
the
top
of
the
second
page,
which
seemed
to
be
more
typical
from
what
other
people
but
a
whole
bunch
of
us
actually
all
tried
that
to
see
what
our
different
results
would
be,
and
frankly,
the
the
top
of
the
second
page
is
better
than
I
expected
it's
not
great,
but
because
that's
just
for
the
words
drupal
alternative
right
that
doesn't
include
backdrop
at
all
and
yeah
so
anyways.
That
is
interesting
and
mathias
mentioned
in
zulu
that
he
would
try
to
be
at
an
outreach
meeting
sometime
soon.
A
A
Arena
our
meetings
are
being
recorded,
so
in
stream
live.
So
just
so
you
know
that
I
think
the
first
thing
we
could
talk
about
is
the
next
date.
Somebody
had
asked
that
we
announced
a
date
before
the
end
of
backdrop
live
and
we
went
ahead
and
did
that
as
a
tentative
date.
A
I
think
jenna
picked
something
out
based
on
sort
of
our
our
pattern
march,
11th
and
12th,
which
I
don't
have
any
reason
to
believe,
is
a
problem.
I
haven't
actually
looked
at
my
calendar,
but
I
can't
I
don't
think
I
have
anything
scheduled
out
that
far.
So
any
is
that
we,
I
would
say
this
backdrop,
live.
A
A
Is
there
anybody
that
you
know
you
know
before
we
schedule
a
next
date.
I
suppose
we
should
ask
the
question
you
know
is
what
we're
doing
working
do
we
want
to
do
to
keep
up
on
the
same
thing,
I
have
no
objection
to
that.
C
Yeah,
I
think
it
works
well
three
times
a
year,
shortly
after
one
of
the
minor
releases
it
works
or
a
month
after.
A
Yeah
well,
actually,
it's
sort
of
right
in
between
right
now
it
should
be
about
two
months
because
the
the
release
would
be
january
15th
and
we're
doing
this
march
11th.
So
it's
almost
two
months
after
we,
I
think
our
first
one
was
only
like
a
month
after
and
it
was
really
you
know
kind
of
hectic
because
we
were
all
burnt
out
from
the
release,
so
we've
kind
of
scheduled
it
right
in
the
middle
now.
C
A
A
C
A
Well,
I'm
unaware
nothing,
that's
showing
up
on
my
calendar
in
terms
of
that,
but
but
my
calendar
wouldn't
show
all
the.
C
A
Well,
not
hearing
any
objections,
I
think
we'll
continue
to
work
with
march
11th
and
12th
as
the
dates
I
mean
the
next
question.
I
think
we
should
talk
about
quickly.
Well
backdrop
live
is
fresh
as
changes
to
the
schedule
or
the
format
or
anything
did
anybody
have
any
thoughts.
A
Gregory
you
were
there
for
block
b-
oh
steve,
of
course,
as
well
steve.
Thank
you
so
much
for
sort
of
taking
primary
responsibility.
For
that.
That's
my
biggest
concern
about
our
current
schedule.
Is
I
don't
like
the
idea
of
advertising
activity
at
a
time
that
nope
you
know
that
people
might
go
out
of
their
way
to
be
there
and
then
not
have
anything
happen
which
was
not
the
case.
We
had
things
happen
this
time,
not
very
limited,
but
why
don't
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
happened
in
block
d.
C
So
yeah,
so
we
didn't
have
many
that
as
many
people
in
that
that
block
like
in
europe,
but
they
weren't
as
it
wasn't
as
bad
as
previous
time.
I
think
that
we
had
some
slots
where
no
people
showed
at
all,
but
this
time
we
did
have
people
show
up
going
back
to
the
thing
that
you
mentioned.
C
Originally,
I
just
had
an
idea
because
some
people
mentioned
that
they
would
like,
or
they
would
prefer
recorded
sessions
or
formal
presentations,
and
I
know
that
we
have
an
unconference
thing,
but
at
some
point
we
had
enough
enough
people
wanting
to
present
or
facilitate
discussions
that
we
we,
we
thought
for
a
few
blocks
to
open
a
third
room,
and
I
was
thinking
that
maybe
we
could
have
some
hybrid
like
have
two
rooms
which
is
unconference
and
then
have
one
slot
per
hour
for
the
entire
thing,
which
is
scheduled
to
accommodate
for
those
people.
C
In
block
d
I
actually
enjoyed
like
there
were
a
couple
of
people
that
showed
up
and
it
was
sort
of
like,
even
if
they
weren't
specific
sessions,
would
find
something
to
discuss
as
in
stay
in
the
room
and
find
topics
to
discuss.
So
it
was.
It
was
good
catching
up
with
people
in
different
time
zones,
so
yeah.
A
Well,
luke
has
mentioned
in
the
past
an
idea
of
just
shifting
the
whole
schedule
by
one
hour,
which
would
not
make
a
big
difference,
but
it
might
make
a
small
difference.
I
don't
know,
does
anybody
anybody
in
europe?
A
I
mean
mostly,
I
think,
for
the
idea
that
some
folks
in
the
us
might
actually
be
able
to
catch
the
the
tail
end
of
that
block,
because
it's
almost
you
know
if
they're
early
risers,
but
I
don't
know
if
it
would
help
folks
in
in
europe,
participate
at
all
if
it
were
one
hour
later.
If
that
would
be
worse.
C
I'm
not
sure,
like
I
don't
object
to
it.
I
would
like
to
see
what
that
would
look
and
what
exactly
we
mean
by
one
hour
later,
but
as
a
general
comment,
I
I
like
to
consider
myself
like
sleep
deprivation,
tolerant,
and
I
would
appreciate
if
we
had
longer
breaks,
though,
as
in
instead
of
three
hour,
maybe
four
hour
breaks
or,
if
not
every
break
being
four
hour
break
at
least
some
of
them
a
bit
longer.
C
So
I
was
trying
to
fit
either
resting
or
getting
things
done
in
between
the
three
hour
sessions
and
it
seemed
like
three
hours
went
enough
in
some
cases.
G
C
No
less
content,
my
feeling
was
that
three
hours
were
good,
because
even
people
that
worked
during
a
saturday
or
whatever
could
sort
of
like
find
a
space
for
two
or
three
hours
of
that.
Just
give
people
more
chances.
But,
as
I
said,
it
was
my
personal
feeling.
I
don't
know
if
everyone
agrees
with
that,
it
might
be
yeah.
G
The
one
downside
with
that
is
that
it
makes
time
time
time
slots
hard,
because
if
you
have
like
sessions
starting
at
nine
o'clock
on
friday
and
at
11
o'clock
on
saturday,
it's
just
hard
for
people
to
remember.
You
know,
regardless
of
which
time
zone.
But
it
is
interesting,
like
we
do
end
early
on
saturday
and.
H
C
Yeah
some
influence
some
influence
from
that
idea
is
that
the
the
company
that
I
work
for
we
used
to
do
trainings
and
we
have
various
levels
of
trainings.
The
easy
one
was
a
full
day,
training
on
like
content
administration,
and
it
was
like
when
it
was
pre-covered.
C
C
We
initially
started
it
as
an
experimental
model
to
spread
it
out
like
instead
of
doing
eight
hour
day.
Do
four
two
hour
sessions
for
four
days,
and
this
was
this
is
going
on
for
like
a
year
and
a
half
now
and
people
are
finding
it
much
easier
to
sort
of
like
my
point
is
that
longer
sessions
get
people
tired,
especially
if
it's
things
that
they
have
to
digest.
You
know
and
yeah,
but
again.
A
Personal
feelings,
a
couple
of
thoughts.
First
of
all,
greg-
you
are
probably
the
single
exception
of
somebody.
That's
like
might
try
to
go
well,
okay,
it's
not
true,
because
I
have
done
it
as
well,
but
I
didn't
this
time.
Okay,
the
expectation
was
that
no
one
would
be
expected
to
try
to
go
to
all
the
sessions
so
like
nobody
is
we're
not
expecting
or
really
encouraging
anyone
to
try
to
get
a
three-hour
sleep
break,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
a
longer
break
isn't
a
good
idea.
A
C
Yeah
the
reason,
the
reason
why
I
said
that
is
because
I
managed
to
get
on
every
block
besides
one,
but
that
one
that
I
missed
is
because
I
napped
and
then
I
missed
one
of
my
favorite
sessions,
which
was
the
one
about
presenting
favorite
modules.
Okay,
so
I
wanted
to
see
doc
wellness
present
toy
and
I
missed
that
yeah
and
I
actually
missed
it
by
one
hour.
I
just
overslept,
so
I
don't
know
enough.
If
you
can
say
that
overslept
for
two
days
you
know
getting
but
yeah.
A
So
I
mean
doing
four
hours
on
in
four
hours
off
would
keep
the
schedule
regular,
but
it's
also
a
longer
block
of
sessions
which
sounds
to
me
like
is
not
what
gregory
is
recommending
or
greg
is
recommending.
Oh
no,
we
did
another
thing
for
sure
wow
I
don't
know
I
I
I
mean
I
I
have
mixed
feelings.
I
probably
could
go
four
hours,
but
the
three
hour
blocks
have
felt
pretty
good
to
me.
A
You
know
in
terms
of
being
in
sessions
the
if
we
staggered,
of
course,
then
we'll
get
jen's
issue,
which
is
that
the
second
day
sessions
would
be
starting
at
different
times.
If
we
had,
if
we
went
three
hours
and
four
hours
it
wouldn't
the
pattern
wouldn't
stay
regular
right
now
the
sessions
start
the
same
time
each
day
and
end
at
the
same
time
each
day.
A
His
proposal
was
just
that
we
bumped
that
block
d
to
one
hour
later,
so
there
would
be
one
four
hour
break
other
than
that
it
would
stay
three
hours
on
three
hours
off,
but
on
day,
two
the
starting
times
would
be
different.
If
we
did
that,
if
we
just
did
four
hour
breaks
in
three
hour
sessions,
we
would
either
have
to
extend
the
the
event
or
or
we
would
lose
thoughts
right,
and
you
know
jen
pointed
out
that
we
have
extra
time.
I
mean
it's
sort
of
we
originally
the
first
time
we
did
this.
A
We
did
it
for
a
full
48
hours
and
then
we
shortened
it
to
just
over
a
day
and
then
it
it
sort
of
varied
in
length
and
right
now
we're
about
a
day
and
a
half.
So
we
could
extend
it.
However,
I
think
my
my
concern
is
that
we
would
be
extending
it
into
like
late
on
saturday
evening.
E
For
me,
it
was
okay.
One
of
the
the
the
problems
in
the
the
uk
time
zone
is
that
when
the
sessions
finished
the
last
session,
we're
looking
at.
I
E
E
All
right,
okay,
so
the
the
sessions
finished
at
sort
of
saturday
midnight,
so
it
is
a
long
day
in
the
uk.
So
but
I
think
that
the
three-hour
slots
worked
fine
for
me
and
it
does
allow
if
there
were
four-hour
slots.
I
would
certainly
definitely
miss
a
couple
of
those
one-hour
slots
due
to
commitments
with
family
and
animals
and
food,
and
things
like
that
so
trying
to
fit
it
in
that
way.
So
I
think
it
worked
well
for
me.
Obviously
I
can't
comment
on
anybody
else,
but
yeah.
E
It
was
okay,
a
bit
towering
by
when
midnight
approached,
but
yeah
still
a
little
stoked
and
then
couldn't
get
asleep,
because
you're
still
wired
from
the
the
sessions
and
things
having
them
rattling
around
your
head,
so
yeah
yeah,
that's
one
of
the
benefits
for
being
in
the
american
time
zone.
Certainly.
A
Well,
the
only
sort
of
consensus
I'm
picking
up
on
is
that
we
sort
of
like
the
three
three-hour
blocks
of
on
that
people
aren't
opposing
four-hour
breaks,
but
I
don't
know
that
we
figured
out.
We
don't
have
a
solid
solution
on
how
to
compensate
for
that.
I'm
intrigued
by
luke's,
I'm
intrigued
by
luke's
idea
of
just
the
one
shift,
but
I
don't
know
if
it's
really
going
to
help
and
it
it
could
add
complexity.
So.
C
The
other
thing
could
be
what
steve
said:
just
repeating
the
sessions
so
or
some
of
them,
but
then
I
guess
you
might
split
the
audience
or
attend
these
number
of
attendees.
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
a
problem
just
mentioning
it.
E
I
was
implying
on
the
recorded
sessions.
I
thought
you
were
talking
about
having
some
sessions
recorded
and
playing
those
recorded
sessions
back.
I
was
meaning
that
the
recorded
sessions
could
be
repeated
throughout
the
full
days,
so
people
didn't
miss
them
in
the
american
timezone
or
uk
time
zone.
So
that
was
just
about
the
the
recorded
sessions.
Not
the
live
sessions.
C
I
was
actually
referring
to
all
of
them
because
there
might
be
people
that
want
to
discuss
a
subject
and
they
might
miss
it.
But,
as
I
said
splitting
the
community,
I
don't
know
it's.
If
it's
about
good
thing
or
a
bad
thing,
not
splitting,
as
in
you
know
not
having
the
same
people
participating
in
both
discussions,
maybe
some
ideas
might
be
missed
unless
we
take
notes
from
the
sort
of
like
first
iteration
and
then
the
second
one
just
builds
on
what
was
discussed
previously
or
based
on
the
notes.
A
So
I'd
like
to
save
time
for
the
other,
some
of
the
other
discussions.
So
what
I'm
hearing
from
this
is
some
ideas,
not
a
real
consensus
on
any
I'm,
not
hearing
any
consensus
on
any
change.
Yet
I
don't
think
I
think
we
have
time
yet
to
to
consider
more.
You
know
changing
the
schedule.
We
don't
have
to
decide
that
today,
but
I
wanted
to
hear
some
feedback
while
it
was
still
fresh.
A
I
think
the
other
big
thing
that
was
raised
is
this
idea
of
recorded
sessions
and
I
think,
prior
to
this
backdrop,
life
jen
has
thrown
out
the
idea
that
we
do
fit
them
in
somehow,
whether
it
be
like
in
a
block,
a
specific
block
for
recorded
sessions
or
a
specific
you
know
track
is
another
way
we
can
organize
it
that
one
room
is
always
recorded
and
the
others
aren't.
I
have
really
kind
of
mixed
feelings
about
this.
I
went
into
this
backdrop,
live
thinking.
A
I
was
like
liked
those
suggestions,
but
during
this
backdrop
live,
I
personally
really
liked
the
fact
that
it
wasn't
recorded
because
I
just
could
do.
I
could
like
pop
things
on
my
screen
that
I
couldn't
do
if
I
was
if
it
was
being
recorded,
I
could
say
things
that
you
know
it's
much
less
formal
it
which
got.
You
know
returned
me
to
the
thought
that
maybe
I
I'm
all
in
favor
of
creating
recorded
content,
and
I
think
we
do
create
a
lot
of
recorded
content.
A
C
A
G
I
was
just
gonna
say
I
really
like
I
wasn't
thinking
about
it
until
steve
mentioned
it,
but
I
really
like
the
idea
of
having
that
main
track
pre-recorded,
because
then
that
can
still
allow
everyone
who's
attending
their
real
time
to
speak
their
mind
and
show
things
that
they're
worried
about
or
whatever
and
not
worried
about,
being
recording
but
recorded.
But
then
we
still
can
have
that
main
track
session.
It
just
does
require
that
we
do
more
work
before
the
event
in
order
to
create
that
content
and
have
it
ready
to
go.
G
I
also
like
the
fact
that
it
can
be
double
double
or
triple
repeated
if
necessary,
and
that
could
even
give
us
more
options
for
people
at
any
given
hour.
So,
like
greg,
you
mentioned
adding
a
track.
We
could
have
like
two
or
three
based
on
the
content
we
get
and
if
that
content
is
relevant
for
like
not
only
this
backdrop
live,
but
future
backdrop
live.
So
you
could
just
say.
Oh,
the
first
session
is
always
going
to
be
intro
two
and
we
have
one
on
views.
G
An
example
of
a
way
to
to
manage
that,
so
I
think
it's
definitely
worth
a
try,
I'm
open
to
how
we
want
to
do
it.
I
like
the
idea
of
doing
a
block.
I
like
the
idea
of
doing
a
track.
I
think
you
know
just
we
have
gotten
a
clamor
for
everyone
to
have
more
presentations,
so
they
can
just
sit
there
and
watch
so
yeah.
C
Yeah
what
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
so
out
of
the
four
backdrop,
lives
now,
I've
missed
one,
which
was
the
previous,
this
one
just
out
of
laziness
and
summer
holidays,
but
we
initially
started
this
idea
of
not
having
recorded
sessions
because
of
fear
that
people
might
not
want
to
go
on
record
when
they
were
doing
the
discussions,
and
my
understanding
from
the
three
backdrop
lives
that
I've
attended
is
that
this
is
like
I,
I
actually
pinpointed
subjects
or
things
that
would
be
a
bit
sensitive,
and
I
I
like
the
fact
that
they're
not
being
recorded.
C
I
like
I,
would
like,
if
there's
recordings
to
be
in
a
separate
sort
of
like
a
column
or
whatever
room
whatever
we
want
to
call
it
to
keep
it.
You
know
clear
that
hey
this
is
being
recorded,
but
the
majority
of
the
the
event
is
for
impromptu
discussions,
and
you
know
come
with
whatever
problem
or
idea.
You
have
in
mind
and
let's
discuss
okay.
A
A
A
I
I
think
that
it
went
very
well.
I
think
that
it
would
be
very
important
to
have
much
more
information
about
this
event
up
front,
that
most
people
that
I
know
they
can't
make
it
last
minute.
People
need
to
know
that
backdrop.
Life
will
be
happening
on
the
certain
dates
that
they
can
submit
their
proposal
that
they
can
participate
in
discussion
and
like
for
stanford
camp.
I
We
want
to
have
everything
all
the
preliminary
schedule,
even
though
it
is
unconference
style,
approximately
three
weeks
before
the
event,
because
this
is
when
people
make
decisions
where
they're
gonna
spend
their
time.
I
I
hope
that
I
hope
that
we
would.
This
is
a
great
opportunity
to
take
that
job
out
of
this
silo.
You
know
we
were
really
wonderful,
very
closely
needed
community,
which
is
great,
but
then,
if
you
want,
you
have
to
have
a
lot
of
users
who
you
know
use
the
system.
They
they
don't
contribute
to
events.
They
don't
you
know
they
don't
participate
actively,
but
if
the
system
doesn't
have
thousands
of
users,
then
it's
like
all
inside.
I
So
those
are
my
tickets,
and
I
think
that
whatever
team
that
is
putting
up
the
event
comes
up
with
that's
great,
I,
whether
it's
three
hour
four
hour,
I'm
happy
with
either
one
it's
just.
I
think
it's
people
need
to
know
a
little
bit
more
upfront.
I
think
it
is
really
important
to
have
this
on
unrecorded
sessions.
Where
can
people
can
comfortably
participate?
I
A
Well,
just
in
response
to
that,
I'm
going
to
say
one
thing,
which
is
that
we
have
gotten
better
on
our
website.
We
still
have
a
long
ways
to
go,
but
we
have
sort
of
a
registration
process
in
place
that
sort
of
works.
It
could
also
be
improved.
But
my
point
being
is
that
last
time
in
the
past
we
sort
of
part
of
the
getting
the
registration
up
has
just
been
well,
at
least
for
me:
I've
kind
of
waited
for
jen
to
do
it,
and
this
time
I
didn't
so
next
time.
A
That's
where
I
was
going
with
this:
let's
just
open
it
up
now,
so
it
might
be
that,
as
irena
has
pointed
out,
a
lot
of
people
aren't
going
to
register
until
they
get
more
information,
but
there's
no
reason
to
prevent
them.
Those
that
are
interested
in
registering
from
registering
early
so
yeah.
Let's
just
leave
it,
get
it
open
right
away
and
start
trying
to
get
some
information
up.
A
You
know
some
some
of
the
the
basic
information
that
make
sense:
okay,
yeah
because
well
we're
hopefully
we're
going
to
get
cd
crm
in
place
soon,
which
will
give
us
other
channels
to
to
manage
stuff.
But
if,
if
we
could
get
people,
if
you
know,
if
somebody
signs
up
now,
we
can
follow
up
with
them
later
and
remind
them,
but
if
they're
interested
now
and
they
don't
register,
we
don't
know
that
they're
interested
and
you
know,
there's
no
way
for
them
to
sort
of
get
on
the
list.
A
Okay,
I'd
like
to
move
on
to,
at
least
throughout
this
other
topic,
which
has
gotten
some
enthusiastic
responses.
It
is,
in
the
backdrop
community
issue,
number
14.,
I'll
put
it
in
the
zulu
chat
here.
A
A
Prior
to
backdrop
live,
and
so
I
resurrected
the
idea
this
week,
which
is
that
we
leverage
the
well.
There
was
a
lot
of
talk
about
outreach
at
backdrop
live.
How
do
we
reach
especially
to
drupal
7
users?
How
do
we
reach
them
and
we
have
a
milestone?
That's
really
technically
may
be
happening
this
weekend,
which
is
I
don't
know
what
backdrop
it
sounds
like
back
up
there.
A
Quadruple
eight
is
end
of
life
at
the
end
of
october,
so
really
this
weekend,
and
if
that
same
thing,
basically,
what
I've
always
heard
is
november
of
2022
is
when
drupal
7
is
end
of
life
but
november.
That's
a
whole.
I
don't
know
if
it's
the
beginning
of
november
at
the
end,
but
either
way.
I
don't
think
that
matters
so
much.
A
The
idea
is,
it
is
november
and
we're
coming
up
on
november
and
that
we
might
be
able
to
leverage
this
hey
it's
a
year
away,
it's
time
to
start
thinking
about
it
and
if
we
put
kind
of
a
concentrated
effort
into
say
a
week
where
we
just
really
try
to
focus
people's
attention
on
backdrop
as
an
alternative
for
those
who
need
to
upgrade
that
we
might
get
some
publicity,
you
know
that
we
don't
normally
get
when
we
just
sort
of
scatter
our
stuff.
A
You
know
here
and
there
and
we
have
some
momentum
coming
up
back
drop
live.
So
the
idea
was,
you
know,
to
have
a
week
to
have
at
least
I
I
would
say
that
minimum
one
sort
of
session
that
week
on
how
to
upgrade
your
site.
A
I
could
see
even
doing
more
than
that,
certainly
to
try
and
schedule
a
series
of
blog
posts.
I
could
I
could
try
to
work
on
a
more
structured
video.
We
have
video
recordings
of
like
live
sessions
and
recording
a
an
upgrade,
but
which
are
good
for
some
people,
but
it
might
be
nice
to
put
together
that
something,
a
little
more
structured
and
detailed,
and
we
could
probably
get
that
done
and
released
that
week
and
just
have
a
bunch
of
stuff
come
out
that
week.
A
We
could
also
you
know
one
of
the
in
my
brainstorming
mode.
I
threw
out
the
idea
of
a
of
like
a
a
an
upgradeathon
where
we
took
a
site
and
tried
to
upgrade
it
for
some
non-profit
or
something
as
somewhat
of
a
pr
stunt,
but
also
as
an
opportunity
for
some
of
us
in
the
community
to
get
you
know.
Maybe
some
folks
who've
never
done
an
upgrade,
could
volunteer
to
help
with
that
project
and
get
a
chance
to
actually
do
the
process
themselves
like
myself.
A
A
C
C
I
know
that
jen
is
a
control
freak
when
it
comes
to
that
and
she
wants
to
do
things
like
check
every
little
bit
of
the
code.
But
maybe
if
we
get
people
to
quickly
do
things
like,
for
instance,
removing
the
the
help
hook
is
not
important.
You
can
stay
there
or
whatever,
but.
A
For
me,
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
define
what
the
primary
goal
of
this
week
is
and
for
me,
the
primary
goal
is
exposure.
Is
right,
it's
it's
not
about
like
getting
one
site
upgraded
or
having
a
session
it's
about
getting
exposure,
and
what
can
we
do
in
a
week?
You
know
by
declaring
a
week
that
would
help
us
get
exposure,
get
people's
attention
that
we
might
not
normally
get.
C
Yeah
both
exposure
and
actually
showcasing
to
people
how
things
are
not
as
hard
as
they
think
or
you.
A
A
F
G
C
One
thing
that
keeps
coming
up
a
lot:
it
is,
and
I
think
the
the
module
that
was
has
been
working
on,
you
know
figuring
out
an
easy
way
to
get
people
to
get
a
status
of
their
current
d7
sites
and
how
many
modules
are
ported
without
having
to
actually
go
and
manually
sets.
I
mean
joseph
that's
what
you
were
faring,
the
the
the
actual
manual
process
of
going
and
finding
things
in
bit.org
right.
F
Well,
I
think,
there's
like
three
different
levels
of
it.
So
there's
if
they
look
in
the
installer,
we
only
show
things
that
have
an
actual
release.
So
we
don't.
We
don't
show.
So
it's
really
really
hard
for
people
who
don't
know
our
process
to
find
ports
that
are
in
process,
and
so
people
will
just
come
and
they'll
say:
oh
field
collection
isn't
ported
or
display
suite
is
imported
or
whatever
their
module.
F
If
you
have
100
modules,
you
have
to
look
up
because
you're
trying
to
port
your
site,
then
making
that
easier,
also
which
there
is
there
is
the
backdrop,
upgrade
status
module
and
I
don't
know
if
we
have
any
that
documented
anywhere
or
like
a
blog
post.
We
we
should
have
that
in
our
documentation
and
a
blog
post.
A
F
That
I
think
that's
both
there's
two
versions,
I
think
a
backdrop
version
and
a
drupal
7
version,
and
so
you
you
can
install
the
drupal
7
version
and
it'll
look
up
all
the
projects
on
github
and
it'll
say
this
module
has
is
there
it
has
a
release
where
this
module
has
a
project
but
not
a
release,
or
I
think
it
has
three
different
statuses.
It
shows.
E
Re-Utilize
the
process
where
it
pulls
in
the
full
modules,
but
instead
of
doing
that,
have
some
form
of
you-
you
reutilizing
that
that
facility,
but
for
modules
that
are
in
process
of
being
ported,
where
there's
no
download
links
or
anything
like
that,
but
at
least
it
can
show
that
these
modules
are
being
ported.
The
last
time
it
was
updated,
possibly
have
a
little
button
that
says,
I'm
interested
in
this.
E
G
So
right
now
the
module
I
already
gets
like
the
download
links
and
gives
it
to
you,
even
if
it's
in
contrib
and
not
released.
So
I
don't
see
why
we
couldn't
leverage
the
existing
functionality.
We
have
to
allow
people
to
install
it
because
it's
a
drupal
7
module,
though.
E
Where
I
was
going
was,
if
you
could
re
utilize
that
to
say,
if
there's
a
filter
that
says
only
the
ones
has
been
released,
then
you
could
do
a
filter.
That
says
the
ones
that
aren't
released
but
are
in
progress
and
then
have
that
in
a
separate
location
and
again
it's
all
automatic
without
handballing
the
data.
G
I
do
think,
though,
that
that
could
be
a
useful
feature,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
that
it's
not
possible
to
do
that
from
the
user
interface
like
you
need
to
have
some
kind
of
command
line
access
to
like
enable
a
setting
or
something
because
if
you
maybe
not
command
line
access
but
access
to
the
files,
because
if
you
install
some
module,
your
entire
website's
broken
and
the
only
way
you
have
to
access
that
website
is
through
your
user
interface
you're
going
to
be
completely
host.
G
But
if
we
put
some
setting
somewhere,
that's
like
oh
go
into
your
static.php
file
and
turn
on
enable,
and
then
at
least
we
know,
people
have
access
to
turn
that
on
in
order
to
get
the
button
to
break
their
site.
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
reasonable
protection
to
be
able
to
add
the
user
interface
to
the
site.
As
long
as
we
require
that
they
can
get
out
of
that
mess.
A
G
A
C
Okay,
I
think
steve's
got
a
great
idea
and
we'll
talk
more
about
that
correct,
just
just
to
mention
this
quickly,
just
as
a
compromise.
So
the
the
point
that
steve
is
making
is
that
gitlab
is
avoided
by
people
with
less
technical
knowledge,
but
they
go
to
the
main
site
to
search
for
things
and
michael.
Our
concern
is
that
we
don't
want
to
expose
dev
releases
in
the
project
installer
and
break
people's
sites.
I
I
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
very
much.
I
think
that
if
you
can
open
for
what
that
is
called
job
board,
that
would
be
a
great
start,
and
I
can
mention
it
in
whatever
outreach.
When
I'm
talking
about
what
our
group
is
doing
with
backdrop,
I
will
be
able
to
say
that
there
is
a
place
where
there's
a
where
developers,
both
developers
and
agencies
can
exchange
job
postings,
and
this
is
not
the
place
where
people
negotiate
rates.
This
is
a
place
where
you
just
put
an
ad.
I
You
just
say:
hey,
I'm
looking
for
help.
This
is
project
that
I
need
to
migrate,
and
that
would
be
a
huge
step
if
we
can
point.
A
Yeah
so
irene,
I
went
ahead
and
opened
the
forum
already
this
morning
and
I've
already
tweeted
about
it.
So
there
is
a
section
on
the
forum
and
again
for
anybody,
who's
not
followed
this
discussion.
This
could
just
be
temporary.
We
can
do
something
better
later,
but
this
was
something
we
could
do
pretty
quickly
and
that
frankly,
I
think
it
might
go
a
long
ways
toward
meeting
the
need.
I
I
A
And
irena
so
you're
you're
going
to
be
at
some
events
this
week.
Talking
about
that
and
one
of
the
you
might
be
the
kind
of
person
we
need
advice
on,
how
do
we
do
a
better
job
of
supporting
folks
when
they
go
to
other
events?
So
they
can
talk
about
backdrop.
So
maybe
you
know,
if
not
right
now
in
the
future,
give
us
feedback
like
on
what
more
we
can
do
to
support
you
when
you're
out
at
events
talking
about
backdrop.
I
Thank
you
yeah.
I
think
that
is
a
good,
a
good
plan
to
have
clear
explanation
of
what
backdrop
is:
what
are
the
benefits
of
using
it
versus,
for
example,
moving
to
wordpress,
which
is
the
biggest
discussion,
that's
happening
for
people
who
are
moving
to
drupal
7
of
triple
seven
this
coming
year.
Yeah,
let's
connect
and
talk
about
it
sure.
A
Yeah,
thank
you.
I'm
hearing
in
terms
of
upgrade
week,
I'm
hearing
lots
of
people
saying
great
idea,
but
I'm
not
getting
the
sort
of
energy
and
ideas
that
I
think
we
need
to
make
it
successful
and
we
don't
have
much
time
if
we
want,
I
mean
we
could
do
something
like
this
later,
so
it's
not
like.
We
can
only
do
it
now,
but
I
do
think
there's
something
special
about
november
in
terms
of
leveraging
it
for
publicity
and
so
what
I'm
looking
for,
if
we
want
to
proceed
with
this
is
a
little
bit.
A
Well,
you
know
clear
commitment
from
folks
like
yeah.
I
can
be
there
to
do
a
session
or
or
even
better,
like
some
new
ideas.
I
I
wanted
to
get
the
discussion
going.
Go
ahead.
Jen.
G
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
I
think
that
we
should
schedule
something
and
put
it
on
the
calendar
as
a
sprint,
and
just
so
we
can
get
it
and
start
promoting
it
and
we
can
figure
out
what's
going
to
actually
happen
at
that
like
we,
don't
have
to
know
that
now,
as
long
as
we
can
get
people
to
commit
to
that
date,
I'm
just
checking
my
calendar
to
see
what
date
it
is
november.
2Nd
is.
C
Like,
like
great
workshops,
just
come,
the
idea
of
or
the
office
hours
thing
that
we
had
like
come
with
your
site
and
will
help
you
get
maybe
not
migrated
right
then,
and
there
but
upgraded,
but
you
know
help
you
get
started
or
get.
I
don't
know
80
there
or
whatever.
G
G
A
Ride
I
agree
that
that
would
be
like
the
maximum
leverage
day,
although
it
it
only
if
we
have
time
to
leverage
it
right
only
if
we
have
time
to
spread
the
word,
which
that
is
awfully
short,
but
it
could
happen,
I
mean
we'd
have
to
be
pretty
limited
and
unspoken.
What
we
tried
to
do
is
it
possible?
Could
we
do
something
on
next
tuesday
or
wednesday?
Do
you
have.
G
I
would
be
happy
to
contribute
time
next,
tuesday
or
wednesday,
wednesday's
actually
better
for
me,
but
oh
well,
tuesday
afternoon's
better
and
wednesday
morning's
better,
but
both
days
would
work
for
me,
and
you
know,
I
think,
also
like
we
could
get.
What
did
what
do
you
call?
It
greg
an
upgrade
workshop
or
something
like
that?
G
I
think
a
workshop
is
a
good
place
to
start
and
depending
on
how
that
goes,
we
could
also
then
say:
okay,
well,
let's
schedule
a
week
like
in
the
late
late
november,
whatever
if
we
need
more
time
and
we
want
to
do
more
things
and
we
can
get
more
organized
about
it.
But
I
would
love
to
do
something
on
an
end
of
life
like
whatever
that
tuesday
wednesday
option
is.
A
A
What
I
would
do
is
do
have
it
in
our
zoom
room
with
breakout
rooms,
where
we
have
a
couple
of
demos,
sort
of
structured
demos
planned
and
then
another
just
help
room
and
really
promote
it
as
here's
your
day
to
come,
and
just
you
know
to
either
access
some
some
organize,
you
know
some
actual
like
structured
presentations
or
to
just
ask
questions
and
that
we
try
to
make
sure
that
we
have
people-
and
I
don't
know
like
be
there
for
at
least
say
six
hours.
A
C
You
can,
I
can.
I
ask
something
like
jenna
know
that
you
have
access
to
the
calendar.
To
add
events,
if
you
do
add
an
event
for
that
they
can
you
like,
if
it's
six
hour
slots
instead
of
doing
whole
day
events?
Can
you
do
specific,
like
multiple
sticks
out,
because
it
helps
me
like
calendar
to
coordinate
with
what
I
need
to
do
with
work
right
and
how
that
fits
in
things.
That
would
help.
G
A
G
A
A
It's
important
that
we
have
at
least
a
cup.
You
know
somebody
there
all
day
that
has
done
bad
upgrades
before,
but
I
don't
want
to
be
the
only
one
there
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they're
completely
unable
to
answer
people's
questions,
so
we
should
only
have
it
open
as
long
as
we
know
we're
going
to
have
people
there
that
that
actually
can't
answer
people's
questions,
so
we
should
get
it
quick.
Is
there
anybody
else
here?
That's
available
that
day,
that
feels
like
you
could
answer,
upgrade
questions.
A
A
One
more
plea
for
if
anybody
wants
not
plea
but
request,
if
anybody
wants
to
willing
to
help
take
over
the
newsletter
for
peter,
that
would
be
great
contact
us,
and
if
you
want
to
just
ask
more
about
what's
involved
contact,
peter
or
myself,
I
can
I've
done
it
as
well
myself,
so
yeah,
let's
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
this
at
their
seek
volunteers
at
the
next
meeting,
I'll
start
pinging
people
in
zulu
up
and
see
if
anybody
could
help
later
in
the
day,
and
if,
if
people
have
other
ideas
of
things,
we
can
do
quickly
in
conjunction
with
that
day
or
have
ideas
about
how
to
promote
it,
then
please,
let
us
know.
A
Okay,
let's
end
the
meeting.